Simple and precise,a normal guy telling normal guys the confusing nato ,G10,Zulu strap story correctly clearly and in around 10 minutes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience it’s much appreciated.
Okay, seriously THANK YOU. I bought what was labeled as, and I incorrectly believed to be a NATO band, that I now realize is a 5-ring ZULU. I wondered what that extra ring was for and was very confused that no one addressed this. Thank you so much for this video as this helped me tremendously.
Something a lot of people don't know, is that on a true standard Nato the double underpass' only purpose is to inhibit the watch from sliding off the strap when not on the wrist. The five ring does that too, and has the added capability to relieve strain on the springbars when used like you describe. Thin fabric three ring Zulus WILL let your precious mechanical watch slide off and fall hard on your very hard floor while you admire it holding it up by the buckle... But with that in tjhe back of your mind a 3 ring Zulu is what most people actually prefer in 'civilian' use. Advantages of three ring Zulus (just cutting off the second underpass part of a 4 or 5 ring Nato is standard procedure in my house) is that the buckle can sit nicely under the wrist instead of on the side (or basically wherever you like for that matter) and the watch sits closer to the wrist. Waaay more elegant in any regard possible IMO. But: make your own decision, just know you have a choice in the first place.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! Only person that actually knows how to put on a 5 ring strap properly. I recently purchase a zulu strap, not knowing it was a 5 ring strap.It felt awkward, what surprised me that the owner didn't know how to put a 5 ring strap on properly. You are the best man.
This is a great video. I was hopelessly confused between the terminology of 3-ring, 5- ring, NATO, and ZULU, not to mention various vendors 'code' names for the same thing. Thanks for a clear explanation!
Thank you so much for the 5 ring Zulu info. I got one locally and the person said it was a NATO. Something just wasn’t right. Now I get it and with the weave I’m able to make it fit perfectly.
Not sure if you realize this but this is literally the only video I've found anywhere telling how to properly strap a 5 ring Zulu. Could you please make a video just putting on a Zulu. Start to finish on the wrist. I'm 90% sure I finally have it on correctly now after watching your video. However it's kind of a pain in the ass to strap on. I have 8-8 1/4" wrists. I am on the very last hole on the band (Obris Morgan 5 ring zulu) with about an inch of tongue behind it. Does this sound about right for my size wrist? Thank you for you very informative video. It's literally the only CORRECT video I've seen so far.
Hey grumpy, I am glad this helped. Let me look at throwing onto the to-do list a video such as what you describe. For the length question, could you grab a measurement of some lengths such as: length of nylon from buckle end to the end of the long strap (not including buckle ring) length of nylon from buckle end to the end of the short strap (not including buckle ring) I can compare these to ones I have here, including the ones I make, in case I can offer any alternative source for something longer (but I think what you describe sounds about right). Feel free to private message me with these details so we can discuss further.
Soooooooo, that is how you properly wear a 5 ring strap!! Will be wearing my dive watch with the 5 ring and it makes me more comfortable that i am not putting too much strain on the pin. Thank you much for the great video, MAHALO!!
Great video. Only one comment and that is that we were always taught that the reason for the length of the extended strap on the G10 is so that it can also be worn over an NBC (CBRN) suit jacket.
NATO means northern Atlantic treaty organisation, I see a lot of people using the keepers on the buckle side wrong as well, they just fold the strap back under both keepers when you are supposed to fold over the top one and under the bottom one like a double D ring belt
G10 is the shortened version of Form G1098 which is used for issue and control of V&A (Valuable and Attractive) items such as the CWC W10 watch. In the HM Forces NATO straps were normally issued in Light grey and are also used on other issue watches such as the Pilots Chronograph and also wrist worn Radiation Dosimeters..
This sounds like Kaz from TwoBrokeWatchSnobs Really appreciate the detailed explanations. The one thing I don’t get about the correct five ring Zulu technique, is that it just becomes so bulky it the watch becomes neither comfortable nor good lookkng. But maybe this is also because I’m using it on a 37mm SNK
Would be nice if NATO style strap makers offered a version that was say 3CM shorter than the standard lengths. Not al of us have arm wrestler wrists or have to wear NBC/scuba suits.
Hello great channel. I'm a Firefighter/EMT from Texas. I've worn G- Shock watches for years. The bands don't stand up to the wear and tear of my lifestyle. My G-Shock model # is GD -120N. I like the Nato style band. Do they come in soild colors ? Which Nato model # number do I need for my watch? And what website can I view and order the bands?
Hi Alexander. Your GD120 is good to go with a couple of options I have. I have another video you should check out...GA/GD1xx are same. Please message me in Etsy store if you need further help... www.etsy.com/shop/jaysandkays ... in meantime, see link as follows ruclips.net/video/lzgtUUG0yek/видео.html
Is it just me or are no 5 ring straps long enough to actually fit them properly? I've got a fairly normal 7.75" wrist, and I bought supposed "super XL length" 5 ring zulu which are about 300mm / 12" plus rings, and I'm on the last hole which is too tight and there isn't enough tail to tuck it properly.
Great video! Where can I get the 2nd strap from right to left (the army green white blue one)? I have searched ebay amazon many many seller still can't find this strap.....
I suggest you try using with your original springbars first. In case the NATO runs too loose through the lugs and doesn't grab, you can swap the springbars with larger diameter if needed. I have a Hamilton that was gifted to me over 20 years ago and it came with a canvas NATO. The original springbars are ~1.8mm diameter. It was my first mechanical after having only digital casio as a kid. It is one of my favorites and I haven't changed a thing about it.
JaysAndKays thanks! This too is my first mechanical watch coming from a seiko Quartz. I love this style of watch but I have pretty small wrist and I am in the last whole. It's slightly too big so I thought why not get this style of strap
Hopefully you receive this message. Unfortunately I have to base my watch purchase decisions on what I can find that fits. I’m not a fan of metal link bands as when my wrists swell I’ve broken numerous bands. I’ve been lucky enough to find a company that sells XL bands for my I-watch...but have found that I’m not really a fan of the watch. I’m looking at purchasing a Suunto Core All Black, but my search for XL bands has turned up empty. My wrist measures 9.5 inches. The I-watch bands that I have were sold as 10 inch bands, yet I have 1.5 to 2 inches extra. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Doug. I can definitely get you sorted out. If you contact me in the Etsy story, I can tell you what we can kit for your Core and that is sufficiently long enough for your 9.5" wrist. This is no problem.
Yo man, many metal dive bracelets have ratcheting micro adjustments on the clasps. Look into strap code. My wrists swell as well, and i hate oversized floppy sloppy metal bracelets on watches. A nice after market with straight ends that has a ratcheting micro adjustment strap will fit good in the morning and can loosen in different increments to allow for swell later in the day or on humid days. Hope you see this. It was a real game changer for me.
good video. you didn't explain how to do the final buckling onto wrist. I have some length left over, I tucked it under both loops, then over the one loop, under the other. strikes me as klutzy. So, not a perfect vid, but still merits thumbs up
I usually just run the extra under both rings rather than do an over-under. I pivot the rings up pointing away from the strap, then u-turn the extra strap under itself, then pivot the rings to lay them flat against the strap. I find this as a personal preference to be cleaner appearance than the over-under.
Hello JG. That is the Suunto Core Sahara Yellow with JaysAndKays Fixed Lugs (Springbar End). You can find the lugs here... cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=282172250253
How about genuine leather HD NATO and NATO straps? Are those worth it? I'm just asking because I've never owned a real watch before and I want to buy an SNK809 (or another SEIKO model in 40 mm dial range- i have a 19cm diameter wrist), so I wanna know if those leather straps will fit.
I like my leather nato and zulu a lot. 19cm wrist is rather normal, from my experience. The case on your Seiko is not relatively large either. Without knowing the dimensions on the strap you are considering, I couldn't say for sure but sounds like common strap options should be OK. You can see an example of some leather NATO in a couple other of my videos such as these: ruclips.net/video/SycqAOitwRM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/sKM9WfrLs6w/видео.html
the rings are sewn in. strap ring hardware kits are available from various retailers. while I supposed it technically COULD be done to remove original hardware of the strap and then replace with new hardware, if you leave the stitching as it is, then you'd have to spread the new rings far enough apart to get them into the strap and then press the rings back together. you might be able to that last step well enough so things look normal but I'm not sure.
Kind of depends on the particular strap and its lengths. User watch case size, and user wrist size are variables as well ... is the short end of strap with keeper long enough for properly fitting in event watch case is XL, or is the long run of strap long enough with enough holes for folks with huge wrist circumference...etc yada yada
I have a couple pics in @jaysandkays instagram of some ideas for 3000 and 3100. link to one is below. also have a video here in the chanel of a 3000 workaround. You could contact me in the etsy store to Q/A more www.etsy.com/shop/jaysandkays instagram.com/p/Bk7FvS9A3eO/
I know exactly what you mean. Roboprob just made a similar comment. Depending on the length of the shorter strap, those rings might end up right on the bone or somewhere else uncomfortable. If the pair of rings are not stitched too tight, you could perhaps shift them over one another between leading and lagging then see if that helps to displace the pressure point.
Not true. As mentioned, 'NATO' was because it is a NATO Stock Number. Not much more to say about it than that. G10 is because of the form they had to fill out. NATO, NATO-G10, G10 are all synonymous.
It has not happened to me. but I know others who have experienced a failure. some springbars might rust out over time; someone who is a sailor recently contacted reporting that a springbar of his rusted out after 2 years. Is it common? from what I know, I'd say no. Does it happen? yes.
thicker material, more robust hardware, and an extra keeper ring... presuming that person selling you a NATO is not selling a ZULU but calling it a NATO (discussed in the vid)
Simple and precise,a normal guy telling normal guys the confusing nato ,G10,Zulu strap story correctly clearly and in around 10 minutes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience it’s much appreciated.
you are welcome. I appreciate the feedback
Okay, seriously THANK YOU. I bought what was labeled as, and I incorrectly believed to be a NATO band, that I now realize is a 5-ring ZULU. I wondered what that extra ring was for and was very confused that no one addressed this. Thank you so much for this video as this helped me tremendously.
glad could help
Something a lot of people don't know, is that on a true standard Nato the double underpass' only purpose is to inhibit the watch from sliding off the strap when not on the wrist. The five ring does that too, and has the added capability to relieve strain on the springbars when used like you describe. Thin fabric three ring Zulus WILL let your precious mechanical watch slide off and fall hard on your very hard floor while you admire it holding it up by the buckle... But with that in tjhe back of your mind a 3 ring Zulu is what most people actually prefer in 'civilian' use. Advantages of three ring Zulus (just cutting off the second underpass part of a 4 or 5 ring Nato is standard procedure in my house) is that the buckle can sit nicely under the wrist instead of on the side (or basically wherever you like for that matter) and the watch sits closer to the wrist. Waaay more elegant in any regard possible IMO. But: make your own decision, just know you have a choice in the first place.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! Only person that actually knows how to put on a 5 ring strap properly. I recently purchase a zulu strap, not knowing it was a 5 ring strap.It felt awkward, what surprised me that the owner didn't know how to put a 5 ring strap on properly. You are the best man.
you are welcome. glad it helped
This is a great video. I was hopelessly confused between the terminology of 3-ring, 5- ring, NATO, and ZULU, not to mention various vendors 'code' names for the same thing.
Thanks for a clear explanation!
stoked to hear that it helped!
One of the view ppl who knows how to use a zulu strap, great video.
Thank you so much for the 5 ring Zulu info. I got one locally and the person said it was a NATO. Something just wasn’t right. Now I get it and with the weave I’m able to make it fit perfectly.
awesome to hear. NATO is now being used as the ubiquitous term for many different styles of straps. the mixups are not surprising, aren't they?
Thank you - this is now my reference video when I forget which way to place them Zulu!
Not sure if you realize this but this is literally the only video I've found anywhere telling how to properly strap a 5 ring Zulu. Could you please make a video just putting on a Zulu. Start to finish on the wrist.
I'm 90% sure I finally have it on correctly now after watching your video. However it's kind of a pain in the ass to strap on. I have 8-8 1/4" wrists. I am on the very last hole on the band (Obris Morgan 5 ring zulu) with about an inch of tongue behind it. Does this sound about right for my size wrist?
Thank you for you very informative video. It's literally the only CORRECT video I've seen so far.
Hey grumpy,
I am glad this helped. Let me look at throwing onto the to-do list a video such as what you describe.
For the length question, could you grab a measurement of some lengths such as:
length of nylon from buckle end to the end of the long strap (not including buckle ring)
length of nylon from buckle end to the end of the short strap (not including buckle ring)
I can compare these to ones I have here, including the ones I make, in case I can offer any alternative source for something longer (but I think what you describe sounds about right).
Feel free to private message me with these details so we can discuss further.
264mm from end to end not including buckle ring
112mm not including buckle ring
www.obrismorgan.com/zulu_milgreen_blackrings_22.html
Thanks!
By far! The best video on the subject. Thank you sir 👍🏿
you are welcome
Thanks That really simplified how to use the five ring I have been wrong for years
you are welcome
Nato, G10, Zulu 3 ring and Zulu 5 ring. At last I understand the difference and how to attach then to my watches. Thank you.
you are welcome
Soooooooo, that is how you properly wear a 5 ring strap!! Will be wearing my dive watch with the 5 ring and it makes me more comfortable that i am not putting too much strain on the pin. Thank you much for the great video, MAHALO!!
yw my friend
Thank you so much for this comprehensive video and explanation. So, so helpful to me.
Thank you. Fantastically explained💜
you are welcome
An excellent video. Thankyou
Great video. Only one comment and that is that we were always taught that the reason for the length of the extended strap on the G10 is so that it can also be worn over an NBC (CBRN) suit jacket.
thank you for the insight, Richard
These ZULU straps are great!
NATO means northern Atlantic treaty organisation, I see a lot of people using the keepers on the buckle side wrong as well, they just fold the strap back under both keepers when you are supposed to fold over the top one and under the bottom one like a double D ring belt
I agree
nice explaination about those kind of straps sir. keep it coming.
thank you, sir
Excellent presentation! Kudos, mate. Props to you for having a wonderful speaking voice, also. Thank you for posting this video. Cheers!
Hey ron. Thanks brutha
You're quite welcome, my friend. I loved the video!
Great video!! Very informative!! Thanks so much!!
you are welcome. glad it was informative
G10 is the shortened version of Form G1098 which is used for issue and control of V&A (Valuable and Attractive) items such as the CWC W10 watch. In the HM Forces NATO straps were normally issued in Light grey and are also used on other issue watches such as the Pilots Chronograph and also wrist worn Radiation Dosimeters..
this is great info! I might end up quoting you in some capacity.
@@JaysAndKays go ahead, you're welcome..
That was incredibly helpful! Thanks!
YW Paul
This sounds like Kaz from TwoBrokeWatchSnobs
Really appreciate the detailed explanations.
The one thing I don’t get about the correct five ring Zulu technique, is that it just becomes so bulky it the watch becomes neither comfortable nor good lookkng.
But maybe this is also because I’m using it on a 37mm SNK
i totally agree. The resulting bulge at the two keeper rings can be too bulky and uncomfortable.
thanks for the imfo. I was wondering why they got the 5 rings now i know how to use it properly thanks again...
hey victor. stoked to hear that this helped!
Awesome video! I just got a 5 ring band and had no idea what I was doing.
awesome
Would be nice if NATO style strap makers offered a version that was say 3CM shorter than the standard lengths. Not al of us have arm wrestler wrists or have to wear NBC/scuba suits.
awesome now I want a 5 ring zulu!!!!!
hey moses. glad it helped!
Maybe you can see here, many 5 rings zulu for choice at do-straps.com
Hello great channel. I'm a Firefighter/EMT from Texas. I've worn G- Shock watches for years. The bands don't stand up to the wear and tear of my lifestyle. My G-Shock model # is GD -120N. I like the Nato style band. Do they come in soild colors ? Which Nato model # number do I need for my watch? And what website can I view and order the bands?
Hi Alexander. Your GD120 is good to go with a couple of options I have. I have another video you should check out...GA/GD1xx are same. Please message me in Etsy store if you need further help... www.etsy.com/shop/jaysandkays ... in meantime, see link as follows
ruclips.net/video/lzgtUUG0yek/видео.html
Is it just me or are no 5 ring straps long enough to actually fit them properly? I've got a fairly normal 7.75" wrist, and I bought supposed "super XL length" 5 ring zulu which are about 300mm / 12" plus rings, and I'm on the last hole which is too tight and there isn't enough tail to tuck it properly.
yeah, once your route through the rings, there's not much left over.
Great video! Where can I get the 2nd strap from right to left (the army green white blue one)? I have searched ebay amazon many many seller still can't find this strap.....
Hey Edmund. I forgot where I got that one. And I don't carry it in my store. Not yet anyhow. Sorry cannot be of more help at the moment.
Do I need any special spring bars or can I take the bars off my original strap and use it for a Zulu?
Hey cooldibs, depends on the watch. Some yes, some no. Tell me what model watch and we can see if we know.
JaysAndKays thanks for responding! I have the Hamilton khaki field mechanical watch
I suggest you try using with your original springbars first. In case the NATO runs too loose through the lugs and doesn't grab, you can swap the springbars with larger diameter if needed. I have a Hamilton that was gifted to me over 20 years ago and it came with a canvas NATO. The original springbars are ~1.8mm diameter. It was my first mechanical after having only digital casio as a kid. It is one of my favorites and I haven't changed a thing about it.
JaysAndKays thanks! This too is my first mechanical watch coming from a seiko Quartz. I love this style of watch but I have pretty small wrist and I am in the last whole. It's slightly too big so I thought why not get this style of strap
Hopefully you receive this message. Unfortunately I have to base my watch purchase decisions on what I can find that fits. I’m not a fan of metal link bands as when my wrists swell I’ve broken numerous bands. I’ve been lucky enough to find a company that sells XL bands for my I-watch...but have found that I’m not really a fan of the watch. I’m looking at purchasing a Suunto Core All Black, but my search for XL bands has turned up empty. My wrist measures 9.5 inches. The I-watch bands that I have were sold as 10 inch bands, yet I have 1.5 to 2 inches extra. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Doug. I can definitely get you sorted out. If you contact me in the Etsy story, I can tell you what we can kit for your Core and that is sufficiently long enough for your 9.5" wrist. This is no problem.
Yo man, many metal dive bracelets have ratcheting micro adjustments on the clasps. Look into strap code. My wrists swell as well, and i hate oversized floppy sloppy metal bracelets on watches. A nice after market with straight ends that has a ratcheting micro adjustment strap will fit good in the morning and can loosen in different increments to allow for swell later in the day or on humid days. Hope you see this. It was a real game changer for me.
@dougstdig
@@royward1952 good suggestion. thanks for sharing!
good video. you didn't explain how to do the final buckling onto wrist. I have some length left over, I tucked it under both loops, then over the one loop, under the other. strikes me as klutzy. So, not a perfect vid, but still merits thumbs up
I usually just run the extra under both rings rather than do an over-under. I pivot the rings up pointing away from the strap, then u-turn the extra strap under itself, then pivot the rings to lay them flat against the strap. I find this as a personal preference to be cleaner appearance than the over-under.
Wear!!
excellent
thank you Michael
Which model is you Suunto Core watch? Thanks.
Hello JG. That is the Suunto Core Sahara Yellow with JaysAndKays Fixed Lugs (Springbar End). You can find the lugs here... cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=282172250253
How about genuine leather HD NATO and NATO straps? Are those worth it? I'm just asking because I've never owned a real watch before and I want to buy an SNK809 (or another SEIKO model in 40 mm dial range- i have a 19cm diameter wrist), so I wanna know if those leather straps will fit.
I like my leather nato and zulu a lot. 19cm wrist is rather normal, from my experience. The case on your Seiko is not relatively large either. Without knowing the dimensions on the strap you are considering, I couldn't say for sure but sounds like common strap options should be OK. You can see an example of some leather NATO in a couple other of my videos such as these:
ruclips.net/video/SycqAOitwRM/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/sKM9WfrLs6w/видео.html
Do you sell an adapter for the Casio G-Rescue Solar Atomic? GW7900B-1? I've been wanting to go to a NATO strap.
ruclips.net/video/RCKvxZ4ARjc/видео.html
Have you seen a 5 ring Zulu on a Suunto X-Lander? Is it possible, and if so with what type of spring bars? Thanks.
I haven't personally done it but a quick web search revealed this... farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2127438613_ecaafa164e.jpg
ps do i need the lug kit to attached the bands to my watch?? and I just seen the link to your e bay store....
Hey Alexander. Not sure what model watch you have so cannot answer. Feel free to send to me a private message here or message me in one of the stores.
where can i buy a 22mm zulu 5R with gold rings or can i change the rings myselfe?
the rings are sewn in. strap ring hardware kits are available from various retailers. while I supposed it technically COULD be done to remove original hardware of the strap and then replace with new hardware, if you leave the stitching as it is, then you'd have to spread the new rings far enough apart to get them into the strap and then press the rings back together. you might be able to that last step well enough so things look normal but I'm not sure.
Is it always one size fits all?
Kind of depends on the particular strap and its lengths. User watch case size, and user wrist size are variables as well ... is the short end of strap with keeper long enough for properly fitting in event watch case is XL, or is the long run of strap long enough with enough holes for folks with huge wrist circumference...etc yada yada
.. if i do so like atg 8:20 - the band is way too short ^^
hi tronicson, what is the circumference of your wrist?
What do you suggest for a protrek prw-3000?
I have a couple pics in @jaysandkays instagram of some ideas for 3000 and 3100. link to one is below. also have a video here in the chanel of a 3000 workaround. You could contact me in the etsy store to Q/A more www.etsy.com/shop/jaysandkays
instagram.com/p/Bk7FvS9A3eO/
I find the zulu extremely uncomfortable as the rings dig into my wrist.
I know exactly what you mean. Roboprob just made a similar comment. Depending on the length of the shorter strap, those rings might end up right on the bone or somewhere else uncomfortable. If the pair of rings are not stitched too tight, you could perhaps shift them over one another between leading and lagging then see if that helps to displace the pressure point.
You started to explain the NATO *name* and then veered off to the G10 explanation.
Not true. As mentioned, 'NATO' was because it is a NATO Stock Number. Not much more to say about it than that. G10 is because of the form they had to fill out. NATO, NATO-G10, G10 are all synonymous.
Seriously what's all this paranoia that the spring bars are going to pop off?
It has not happened to me. but I know others who have experienced a failure. some springbars might rust out over time; someone who is a sailor recently contacted reporting that a springbar of his rusted out after 2 years. Is it common? from what I know, I'd say no. Does it happen? yes.
5 ring Zulu looks very similar to a Nato.
thicker material, more robust hardware, and an extra keeper ring... presuming that person selling you a NATO is not selling a ZULU but calling it a NATO (discussed in the vid)