how to get that 90's INDUSTRIAL DRUM SOUND
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Today I'm showing you how to make the 90's industrial drum sound. If you're a music producer and want your drums to sound like Nine inch nails, early Front Line Assembly, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy or early Front242, this is for you! This tutorial was made to make it easier for any music producer to re-create the iconic industrial drum sound from the 90's.
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Chapters:
0:00 - intro
0:17 - Choosing the right sound & drum machine
1:10 - Frequently used techniques
3:31 - Kick
4:00 - Hi-hats
4:25 - Hand claps
4:57 - Snare
7:32 - Toms
8:23 - Crash
8:51 - Final Product
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As you can see, most of the work was to take ''lo-fi'' drum machine samples and make them sound modern by boosting the mids and high-end. It's very important to be careful with that because if you boost too much it's going to end-up sounding very very bad haha Also most of the time these old samples are already full of character and compressed af. So no need for over the top processing with parallel saturation or compression. I like to keep things simple!
Would you be interested in videos about vocal processing? like FLA or Ministry style?
hope you liked the video! cheers
Yes please, eventually we'll end up with a full playlist of how to make an industrial track/song :D
@@gothicwave7761 haha that's the end goal! I'll share 20+ years of producing industrial 🤘
Your channel is pure gold!!! Definitely investing in your sample packs!!!!!
Yes vocal processing is Paramount. If you could please include the hardware used to make said vocals, such as the SE- 50 boss affects processor or software VST'S which could be used in a live setting.
Thanks for all the knowledge you are sharing with us!
@@X3NN0N69 hey thanks :) yeah sure I'll probably share the hardware used and cheap plugins alternatives. It's better for live setups or touring hehe 🤘
theres a compilation album of industrial bands called Industrial War that has a killer selection of bands and sounds. hard to find kinda, but worth the exploration...youtube channel jhj22
when you played that snare on it own, all I could hear was "I walk the line between good and evil!"
Yep
I thought the same exact thing hahah!
That was Rodent. Love that song, especially Ken Marshall's remix. BTW his channel is pure joy.
haha exactly! great track 🤘Yeah I did watch some Ken Marshall videos. Especially that one where he is mixing ''Angriff'', lots of knowledge in there hehe
We need Industrial music again !!! ❤
yes ! ⚙⛓💪
there's plenty....
We still have it, but you have to look for it: An example, Bill Leeb from Front Line Assembly has just released his first single from his first solo album. Julien-K (two ex-members of Orgy) have just released their new single “Fractured” from DRKMOD and it’s an industrial dance floor killer.
you need to seek young padwan, the industrial never left.
Honestly I really appreciate what you're doing here fam
As a producer when I started my work there were no tutorial videos on genres like Industrial and it took me so damn long to learn some of these stuff that you're mentioning in your videos
I must say and I mean it,
god bless you!!!
Even with my current knowledge of the genre I still learn new things from your videos
Keep up the good work and if it's possible do more breakdowns on some NIN and Skinny Puppy songs.
hey I really appreciate it man🙏. I do wish there was videos like this when I started also. That's why I'm doing it!
I also started late 90's and there was noooothing besides techno books and weird websites haha But I guess that's what I think was fun back then. Experimenting and discover stuff by mistake! haha I guess we still do it, but it's definitely different.
Actualy the zap hit drum (you call laser drum) and the gunshot snare was also highly use on 80s pop and prog rock band like YES or Genesis and Peter Gabriel was one of the first to devellop that gated verb sound snare to there sampling fairlight and other E-mu Emulator and SP 1200, Michael Jackson also make a heavy use of that kind of sound in BAD and Dangerous album, but we must admit that young gods , front 242 and skinny puppies make those roland drum machine and E-MU and Akai sampler sound more badass , by adding also metalic sample and other guitar and distorted stuff.
When you spent hours looking for a perfect drum sample in your library and still not found it, you can allways find a usable sound in a R-8. Or the Boss Dr 550 mk II.
haha exactly! these machines were and are still the best
Try synthesis. I spend less time making perfect drums than looking for one.
Love my Yamaha RY30, since you can layer sample together. They’ll have to pry it from my dead hands.
@@RY30DM I would love to have a RY30. It´s on of the last real drum machines. I don´t use drum machines anymore, I do the drumming i my DAW, but I just love drum machines. I got it´s grandfather, the RX15.
a great drum machine for the genre is the boss dr550, guaranteed
100%, great kick/snares in there!
I can’t swear to it, but I believe that is kind of a budget R8. It’s probably the same library, but without as many bells and whistles.
Basically a 90s update of the 80s.
Well that's pretty much what they did back then too hehe I think we lost that part throughout the years. I say bring back the 90s!! haha
@@Tonepusher I agree. Being a HIGE Phil Collins and Genesis fan myself I give mad props to Phil for the gated snare. Their 1991 album used backwards echo to exquisite effect in the track Dreaming While You Sleep. Check it out.
The Kawai only emulated what was done in the Fairlight. Also there were add rom chip mods with Drumulator and Drum Traks PCMs. I am shocked there is no mention of the Alesis HR-16B.
I just mentioned that above. I also mentioned that there was an electronic chip that had more processed/hip-hop sounds. I find the stock isound set is a little bit too dry for my tastes.
Awesome job on this! Thanks for the video.
Smell like old Amiga Demos traxx.
Good job!
haha yeah I see the resemblance
As someone who made 90s industrial, it was more about signal chain than source. 8 and 12 bit samplers were important. The early MPCs were used a lot. Take a crow bar to a dumpster and process the result. Be creative.
Yeah and that's what I love about industrial...creativity! It's true that sampling was a huge thing. Nowadays people are lazy and want that ''fastfood'' sampling service hehe Drag and drop your next hit into your computer lol
The Emax’s were pretty crucial (as well as the Akai S900).
I'm so happy that I've discovered your channel, these tutorials are very helpful!
hey! np hehe you're welcome! 🤘
That was amazing! I adore industrial music and wondered a lot about the drums. Thanks so much for this break down. ❤
hey np! Industrial drums are soooo important for the genre. I could make multiple videos just on that subject hehe
Damn, that outro jam sounds fantastic. 90s Industrial was THE BEST for me and I love when someone puts in time and effort to recreate those magical sound capsules. Thanks for the great vid.
thanks man, yeah seems "easy" but it was a lot of work and years of practice haha anyways you know what I mean, I just watched your videos! Love the KO II jams, really cool vibe and visuals. I love minimalist but well thought videos 👌🏻
Dude. Sick jam. Keep it up. 🤘🏾
hey! thanks man 🤘
As a lifetime industrial music fan (all styles, from industrial techno to industrial rock and from power electronics to dark ambient) I a m really enjoying your videos! Thanks!!!
nice! haha thanks to you :)
You're the best thing on RUclips right now. Thank you!
thanks a lot man :) best comment hehe 🤘🏻
I think it wasn't just in the 90s when these sounds were used. These drums were mainly used in the 80s with EBM and Electro-Industrial bands, such as Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, Nitzer Ebb, à;Grumh…, The Klinik, Pankow, etc, and even by Synthpop bands such as Moev , Single Gun Theory or Depeche Mode.
yeah of course, but the drums I'm using in this videos were mostly used in the 90s. The R8 and r50e came out in 89 and 89 so not much albums were made with them in the 80s (although they share many sounds from previous machines, I know haha)
Also for the sake of SEO and youtube algorithm I can't write every year it was used loll gotta make a choice. I prefer my industrial in the 90s, sorry haha 🤷
In the 90's, your Snare Drum had to sound like a punch from a Martial Arts movie!!
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😂😂😂 so true, I can't unhear it now
I finally learned how to make laser sounds from synths. I used to use only one sample of a laser sound.
All you got to do is crank the resonance up, and turn the cutoff filter down. And then shape the filter envelope.
I spend most of my time listening to 80s/90s industrial and ebm. You are really nailing it! Thank you for focusing on this music.
hey thanks man! 🙏
how much of your waking life is spent listening to it, roughly? sounds serious 😁🤗
Nice track!!! Love it!
thank you :)
Thank you. You’ve read my mind. I needed this.
haha np man! 🤘
Thank you so much for this very insightful deep dive into my favorite style of Industrial. Liked & subcribed !
hey thanks for the support man and welcome to the channel :)
Very nice! I have a Fantom 7 as my main music machine and this inspired me to try and make one of my sample pad sets an industrial drum kit. 😁
Well put, and good stuff yourself
Great video again! THX
hey np man! 🤘
That r 8 snare sounds like it was part of Depeches behind the wheel, great video by the way 👍🇮🇪
haha true! it has that Depeche Mode flavour
Also the two 80's album from YES Big Generator and 90125 have that gunshot gated snare .
I think that’s a sample into the Emax that Alan was using.
Great introduction, THANK YOU! I will forever be an industrial music fanatic!!
hey np man :) 🤘
I haven’t watched this video yet, but if you can track down a Yamaha RY30, you’ll be set. I’ve had mine since ‘93 and it’s still kicking ass. One of the things that makes it so cool is that you can mix samples together on each drum pad. You can pitch sounds way up or down, and it has hi pass and low pass filters. One of its coolest tricks is the ability to automate parameters via a wheel. You can also do the same thing in the step recorder. The machines only downfall, is you can only have 4 bats per pattern. The Roland R8 was also heavily used during this period., and it’s pretty heavy sounding.
Love it! Just got all my RY30 Samples at the ready.
lucky you! haha
I just use the real thing Lol I’ve had it since ‘93 and I have never gotten bored of it because you can stack samples within the same drum/synth voice.
Absolutely love this video, started off listening to early 80’s electronic/synth music moving on to club electro techno and house and although modern electronic music is less of a mystery all the 80’s and 90’s EBM/industrial technique is a lost of how it was conceived
I agree soooo much, creating unique original music is a lost art. I blame the easy access to production (which is a good thing at the same time) and the ''fast food'' plugins/sampling services like...hey buy this plugin and become the next rockstar.
limitations=creativity
Just thought I'd share, but I ended up discovering a TON of old Ministry drum, and other sounds from the "Twitch" time period. A while ago, I had downloaded the entire library of sounds from the Fairlight CMI that some kind soul had recorded into wav files. I was exploring the collection and discovered MANY of the sounds used on "Twitch" and all of Al Jorgensen's projects from that time period. He used a lot of Fairlight CMI samples. Many of the drum sounds were completely unchanged from the way they were on the albums. I'm going to have to go back through the collection to find the specific samples. I didn't make note of them because at the time, I was just noodling around exploring the sounds. It's definitely on my agenda to dive back in there and find those sounds again. There's a LOT of sounds in that collection. I just figured I would share that. Ministry definitely was using sounds from the Fairlight CMI library back then. Also, a fun technique that I copy to make cool industrial drum sounds is the technique that Big Black used. They recorded rhythms on a Roland TR 303 or 606, onto tape, but then played the tape back at slow speed with some reverb on it. I've tried to emulate this on a DAW, but it's never perfect. Even stretching the audio doesn't work perfectly. The sound just falls apart.
Dude, I knew he(they) was using a lot of Fairlight. I read in many interviews that Al doesn't give af about production and he's just making music without changing shit with the gear he has at that time. Which some artist should do today 0_o haha anyways
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One thing I think is really funny is that they had no clue what they were doing with the Fairlight. That’s why the Revolting Cocks has those bass lines that never change. They literally couldn’t figure out how to operate the sequencer.
Super dope video 🔥🔥
thanks man! 🤘🏻
If you want to hear the one act (unless there are others) who has brought the old style into the modern era 100 percent it’s Youth Code. I saw them open for Puppy awhile ago and they impressed me so much I picked up their greatest hits.
Yeah I know Youth Code, great band! ''A place to stand'' is my favorite release. I like my industrial a BIT more melodic though. But they're good 🤘
@@Tonepusher “For I am Scarred” is my favorite. It’s pretty melodic. Rhys Fulber from Front Line does a lot of work with them.
This is amazing, thanks so much
hey np man :)
Tonepusher, you are on a roll.
haha 🔥🔥🔥
I had the original Kawai R-50, but I wasn’t using anymore once I got my RY30, which was superior in every way. I got some good money for it at local store since it’s a classic. Just a note about Cevin’s machines, don’t forget the TR-909.
Hell yeah love this
thanks 🤘🤘
Bought these samples so fast! Killer pack, and awesome track at the end!
hey thanks for the support man :) yeah I did put a lot of effort into this pack 🤘
These samples are all over lol.
@@svenjansen2134 For me there's value in tight, cohesive sample sets that are consistently sampled and well processed, like the one Tonepusher is selling for almost nothing.
The perfect rivet anything ever is Ministry's "Corrosion". I could listen to that track on loop for hours.
@@pzkpfw6864 I don’t recognize the title. Is it a b-side?
Speaking of Front 242, they're prepping for their final tour....
really? after Skinny puppy now its F242. That's sad... I'll be there for sure hehe
They’re not spring chickens anymore. Daniel B, probably the most important member when they play live, retired a few years back, so they had a replacement live sound engineer when I saw them a few years back.
That second R8 snare will ALWAYS be one of my go-to sounds
yeah man, same here. Probably my favorite snare sound ever haha
I always liked putting the tom sounds through a DS-1, but recently discovered that a POD amp sim with the cab off gets the sound nicely.
One of the best bands doing stuff I’ve heard lately that still sounds like this is Mildreda All similar drums, bass, and is honestly just an awesome artist
ooh sounds interesting! I'll check that out righhht now hehe
@@Tonepusher bright side is an awesome track
There was a torrent floating around years ago with 200 drum machines sampled.
Nice addition to your library if you can still find it. The machines mentioned are in it.
R O D E N T
Oh man I know the exact file, I used to have It. I now use the vintage machines pack from reverb, pretty much the same thing.
@@devendasmusic dude I wasn't even aware of that pack 0_o haha and free on top of that...mind blown!
I actually have a far more complete set. Those plus about 275 it didn't have. :)
Also: the German dude that runs that project is a douche.
I had a kawai R-100 which was the big brother of the R-50. Very industrial sounding.
yeah tbh it's a better machine hehe I guess the R50e is more ''cult'' but the R100 is a better choice. More sounds and possibilities.
It was very cool
The clap song is Skinny Puppy - Rodent
haha yess! 🤘🔥such a great song! the bassline on that one is pure genius hehe
Tip: Check out the Cubase Media Bay sample content for hundreds of industrial drum sounds...
I just have a MASSIVE collection of drum machine roms.
cool retrowave on the end :))))))))))
Final track sound sooo good
hey thanks man :)
Anyone who knows music gear and loves industrial is good by me
Helpful video, thanks! For me most of the iconic character comes from the toms. What cymbal/crash did you use?
The R8 is a sexy BEAST🐶 Kool video bro ☝️💪👍
Watching this makes me want to work on music again.
haha do it! 👀
I feel you on that. I finally turned my gear back on today after a year, and the first thing I heard in my RY30 drum machine was a very Skinny Puipy-like rhythm. I was like “Let’s Go!”
Thanks. Dusting off my Yamaha RY-30. Literally, so much dust. I have been meaning to redo some Noise Unit songs.
haha! love Noise Unit. I'm honored you watched my video. Bless us with new music🤘👀
Love my RY30 since ‘93. I just played it today after a year and unfortunately the up bottom isn’t working, but I can manually enter in the pattern number.
The drums sound amazing, but I can't get enough of the bass and pluck synths in the final track. Care to share how to create them?? Thanks!!
thanks man! yeah sure I could make something about the bass/plucks. All the sounds are from Serum. I'll probably add them in my next preset pack. But I'll share how to make them also :)
That track will probably end up on an album ;) 🤘
I have Elektron Rytm Mk1, Roland SC-880 rack rompler, two sansamp distortion processors and an elektron heat distortion processor. i get great drum sounds with this setup.
yeah probably, sounds like you have everything you need although it's a never ending hunt haha
Correct me I’m wrong, but don’t Youth Code use the MK1? They definitely get that industrial drum sound.
Great video. subbed. I grew up with all these bands and sounds. A little away from industrial but do you have any idea what hardware Sigue Sigue Sputnik used?
hey! not sure what they were using but they were produced by Gorgio Moroder so I'm pretty sure with that info you could find interviews with him about gear and production, since it's a huge album hehe (Flaunt it)
This was a cool video, gave me total nostalgia for my teens when I was neck deep in skinny puppy. Your production, but especially the drums, are absolutely spot on to the style and you explain your rationale for everything extremely well. In short a very informative video that would be helpful to those new to the style as well as those like me who just dug the nostalgic aspects.
I would offer one suggestion that I think would significantly improve stuff. You spend a 3rd of the video talking about EQ. Now, I happen to love detailed mixing stuff, but it does go for far too long. I would suggest you talk about your reasoning behind the EQ techniques for this style - maybe discuss how you use EQ on track then bus instead of 5 EQs on a single track. And after discussing your rationale, give a few examples. Because it got a bit boring about halfway through the EQ stuff.
Anyway, really cool video. I am tempted to go on a skinny puppy binge now.
thanks man, I agree it gets a bit technical. I have people asking for that but I understand that it's not for everybody. I guess I have to find the right balance. I really appreciate the comment man! I'll take that in consideration for futur videos for sure. 🙏
One more drum machine recommendation just popped into my head. Find yourself an Alesis 16, but find it with the B chip which has more processed sounds instead. I’m not sure which version was used by Godflesh, but it’s all over the early albums like Streetcleaner.
Not sure if it's similar but it reminded me of some of the Yamaha RX5 sounds.
Same era
I would like to learn to do all that , I love Industrial / EBM music. Any recommendations to get started on this?
I don't know where you're at but I'd say the EASIEST way is to just get a DAW (Cubase, Ableton, Reaper(free) etc...). Get Vital(free) and/or some old school synth free plugins. Then subscribe to Splice (Huge sample bank collection). With that you can make anything really.
So basically Splice would cost you 10$ per month and that's it. You can start producing! hehe 🤘
If you’re trying to go old school, step number one is get a Yamaha DX7 FM synthesizer: Everyone had one back then. A lot of synth basses particularly on FLA) were the DX7. They’ve become somewhat rare, but they’re cheap out in the wild. If you want to stay inside the box instead, there are many FM synth plugins. For example, in the version of Logic I use (9) there’s a FM synth, and it’s super easy to use. It makes all kinds of metallic basses, as well as, other sounds like percussion.
This maybe a dumb question, but could you please make a video showing how to make gated kicks and snares? How to get that delayed or pumping effect on the reverb. Thank you in advance. Another great video btw.
Sure, I'll put that on the list :) 🤘🏻
@@Tonepusher awesome! Thank you very much.
@@Tonepusher awesome! Thank you very much.
MINISTRY RULE 🤘👿🤘
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@@Tonepusher EXCELLENT, Love what you are doing.
Swamp Terrorists - Truth or Dare album, GODFLESH- LOVE AND HATE IN DUB/STREETCLEANER,, PITCHSHIFTER - INDUSTRIAL/SUBMIT, LAIBACK - MACBETH, ...AAARRGGGHHH.
👋💚👍,
Funny those drun machines were priceless for about the last ten years, besides 909 or 808... Some of them almost impossible to find nowadays, others already increased price more than three times. Happily my r8 for 150€, r50e for 90€, and ry30 for 180€ were purchases by the right timming i guess, along with other classics ;)
Most interesting bit regarding all those drum machiens is thar samples dont donany justice.
Great content by yhe way!
thanks man! yeah well I guess that people realized these machines sounded good after all haha. Frankly I don't think they sound THAT good, but they sound unique which is WAYYY more important to me. I think they're still pretty accessible pricewise. I've seen an R8 go for 300$(canadian) near my place.
@@Tonepusher That R8 is a hard beating machine one, and it sounds huge. You will see if you finally get it ;)
Great vid. Ill try it out. Never heard of skinny puppy. Looking forward to next vid w ministry exercise!!
thanks man! I' already working on it :)
01:07 Douglas McCarthy as a censoring sound, great choice! xD AUH!
lolll I know right? 😅
You should be talking about Front 242 a lot more, their production was always head and shoulder's above a lot of the american stuff.
Sounds so good! Well done! Question tho, why don't you use Groove Agent instead of the samples? For me it makes it much easier to program drums and you can still export each sample to their own output and process them like you did now. Plus, GA has some awesome options built in, I think.
Hey man! yeah good question!! I used to use Battery for that. Then idk why I stopped lol and I went back to the old ways of using audio files. I'm just used to it haha Sometimes I'll use the Cubase sampler if needed.
At the end of the day you're 100% right I should use a sampler. lol Just used to my old way of working.
@@Tonepusher in the end you do what works best for you! I just found it easier (for my Synthwave tracks) to use Groove Agent. Also changing samples, stacking samples, all that stuff works great. Also the option to random alternate pitch in percentages works great. Especially when you want to make, say your hihat a bit more alive, or mimic tape wobble.
@@DEADLINETV oh totally, I mean from time to time I'll use a sampler. But that pitch randomizer thing you just brought up makes me want to use it haha
@@Tonepusher just explore it! Thank me later! :D
@@DEADLINETV I will! :)
This "crash" is from which drum machine ?
the song was "Rodent"
exactly 🤘🏻
Nice to see some love online for my Kawaii R-50-e
haha such an iconic drum machine 🤘
I had the stock version which sounded pretty cool too.
Only one of the outputs works on mine at the mo. The left of the stereo out. It had a right and left out and one aux out. I looked at the basic soldering on it and cannot see a problem so will probably get it fixed by a pro. This vid has given me a slight kick up the ass to get it sorted tbh. :-)
Subbed
thanks :)
I love that sound. It’s good to know how to recreate it. I have a tr707 the behringer clones, and a Simmons sdsv. I have tge r8 samples. Maybe I need to buy an actual unit. Thanks for posting a video on this!
@@benjaminframe5530 hey np man :) yeah you definitely have everything you need to make some dope music :)
yamaha rx was great also
100% although it's not my favorite, it was used a lot
When some of your examples are from your hometown. 🇨🇦
haha yeah, proud to be 🇨🇦
Have you ever heard "Dead when I found her"? Great one man band.
Yeah I know them, I think I even played with them years ago in Toronto. Not sure 🤔 I do love their work. Especially the first album!
The track at the end reminded me of dead when I found her as well haha
He just released an giallo-inspired record under the name “haunted hospital” that’s a lot of fun. He’s got like a half dozen side projects.
@@EricOehler01 hey I want to hear that! would you be kind enough to share the link? :) hehe thanks
EYES ON BACKWARDS is the best new Skinny Puppy album that Skinny Puppy never released.
I'd love either a lexicon PCM41 or 42, but those are incredibly expensive nowadays, and i haven't found anything modern in a rack format that can do those things.
Have you tried the plug-in emulations?
@@RY30DMNo. Maybe if would work? It's just that I like physical controls and prefer mostly hardware. I'm a eurorack + semimodular type of guy. Perhaps a compromise by buying the plugin and controlling it with a designated midi controller?
The ICONIC would be responsible for the ICON of THE ICONIC....
Damnit now I have to buy an R8 🤦♀️
haha dude, that thing sounds amazing and it's not THAT expensive. There's also some nice expansion cards on reverb.
I had a Roland R-5, but it got stolen along with some other stuff. ( not the R-8. but same time frame, and I think at least most of the same samples. )
Yeah R5 is a great machine too. Yeah they share similar samples!
@@Tonepusher I work out of a DAW now, ( when I can ever get to my music ), but my fav perc plug-ins are VA and physical modeling synths... Softube Heat Beat, and FXpansion Tremor
Rodent!
...tasty
haha yeah! classic 🤘
IN-DE F@CKING DUST TRIAL!!! 💣🤘🖖
haha 🔥⛓⚙
haha hecking cuss words amirite!
To me this sounds more EBM than Industrial. Both are close, however Industrial in my opinion is more hard, dirty and distorted.
well yeah, I agree 100% Industrial is much darker. EBM is more ''bass'' focused also. While industrial IMO is more drum/ambiance focused.
@@Tonepusher Yeah the genres are very related and influenced each other.
I still miss my R-8...
haha yeah such a great machine, sometimes we have to sell our gear. But in the end we should never! haha At least it's not THAT expensive...yet!
I don’t remember it being cheap, which is one of the reasons I wound up buying the RY30. There was an R5 as well, which was a little bit more stripped down.
It's the 8 bit and 12 bit sampler synths, ensoniq Mirage, sequential
Circuits prophet 2000 , e-mu emax or emulator II , oberhiem DPX-1 akai s-900 s-950
Software emulators pail in comparison to the real machines win projected in an actual space through big drivers .
EBM electronic body music
It pulses through your body ,the deaf could dance to it .
8 bit gets a bit too crunchy for me. A 12 bit bit crushed effect mixed in sounds great though imo
I thought that until i got my hands on the ensoniq Mirage ,use it for percussion so its about it sounding electronic, it has two sets of curts voltage controled amp and filter chips, memory and processing was so expensive win it was made that it was cheaper to use one set of chips for first stages of the envelope and one for the decay, the operating system loads on the disk ,so there are 3erd party o.s. for it that throws away the sample function and opens it up as a 16 voice wavetabe synth with 14 lfo's per voice ,you dump samples into via midi sample dump , the thing sounds cool goes well with the ppg 2.2 and the ensoniq sq-80
I don't know what gear you are working with but software and a lot of newer remake just dose not compare to the original machines @DSPsWifesBf
Here's me plugging my pocket operator through a bass multi effects pedal 😂
As much as I like late 80’s-early 90’s industrial, the mixdowns are usually very flat. There’s usually not enough bass and everything is very midrangey. High end usually sounds good in Skinny Puppy tunes (especially Dwayne’s weird sampling and subliminal stuff) but overall the mixdowns don’t hold up to modern scrutiny.
I agree that it was very ''midrangey''. But I love it hehe At least it was unique and creative. Nowadays everything sounds the same.
I 100 percent disagree. Mixes by Dave Olgilve, Greg Reely etc. are considered the gold standard. I’ll give two examples of what I’m talking about: Skinny Puppy “Tormenter” When was that ‘90? Such a sick full loud mix (before the loudness wars) done by Olgilve and Reely. Then there’s Front Line Assembly’s “Plasticity”. Again a very full frequency mix by Greg in ‘95.
@@RY30DM I can see that. I’m saying that in comparison to modern electronic music mixes, the sub bass isn’t as hyped up and Skinny Puppy songs don’t make my subs push nearly as much air as stuff that even I’m able to produce as an amateur. It’s not a knock on SP or the way those songs were produced, it’s just the way things were mixed back then.
@@tendrel_sound Well yeah, a lot of it was mixed using analog equipment. The problem I have with your comment about subs, is that most modern music is brick walled and the low end is distorted. Take for example Combichrist’s What the Fuck is Wrong With You People? I brought it along as a reference when I was trying to get my songs mastered at a professional studio. You could hear from the start over their high end monitors that the bass is clipping the entire album. So yeah you can get more low end, but at at what cost?
@@RY30DM I also think that when you mix an album you need to get the overall feel/groove/intention of the song. Was it a drum focused song (skinny puppy is VERY drum focused) or is it bass focused (like combichrist). I don't think there's a right or wrong mix. I definitely prefer the mid/90' mix though, over the squished saturated mordern mixes.
Take any drum gate reverb and saturation. You are welcome.
Well, that's the equivalent of saying. It's easy to draw, just take a pen and a sheet of paper lol haha But I get what you mean tho.
@@Tonepusher I know the textures of those machines, the Roland R-8 is a monster. But back in the day (I am 49 now), I had my Ensoniq ASR 10 sampler and one of the best things I did was sampling the Janet Jackson "Rhythm Nation" album. It was not as dry as "Construction Time Again" but what makes those sounds solid is basically no release time. I then added a bit of distortion from the Yamaha 01V digital console I had and I went nuts. It made the entire song, NIN. And that is the beauty of sound design.
@@DF-eg8vl oh totally man! love sound design hehe I think we lost that art with the internet and all the sample services...Which are good things in a way but also bad haha People are getting lazy and they all sound the same.
@@Tonepusher I remember back in the day I used to use Digital Performer, the measures were blocks. Before that Masters Tracks Pro in a Atari ST. When MOTU updated DP with colors and more visible data inside each measure something was lost. Now the "equations" are not in your own brain but in your eyes. When you have the info in your brain, you patch in your brain and you get brighter. When things turned visuals... now you get distracted and in a way "serviced". That pushed the decay of the knowledge. So today people buy out of hype or aspects, but they do not know what to do with the gear, they do not even have their own sound. Is very shallow, they say "vinyls are better", no, they are not. Some are good, depends on how they were produced, the majority are just low quality. So, those drums are nice but today you can do the same with Logic pro just fine.
@@Tonepusher Do you know that in the dawn of the 90s. Depeche Mode came up with Enjoy The Silence. Well, back then people were selling loops on CDs and it was very "meh" to use a loop. People didn't think that sampled loops were music. And then Depeche Mode came with Enjoy The Silence and just at the beginning of the song they started with this drum loop as a solo. That loop was used in many other techno songs, it came in a Keyboard Magazine in one of those floppy LPs they had between pages. So... if Depeche Mode can use sampled loops everybody can do it now.
I think the Behringer Syncussion SY-1 clone will find it's way into newer industrial ....I like drum synths better than samples, samples have to be exactly what you're going for, where synths can be almost anything, and adapted to the mix.....but thanks for the reference here.
yeah sometimes "synth" drums are cool. Depending on the style you're going for. I love these heavily distorted synth drums.
@@Tonepusher i am willing to be wax trax had a TR-808 and a TR-909 too ... but maybe just one or the other..anyway, the original SY-1 has a track record too.
@@Tonepusher the SY-1 is more known by it's role in 80s pop, but there weren't so many original units as was the Roland R-8...and anyone with an SY-1 by the 90s wasn't going to let go of it.
I create a lot of drum sounds in the ES2 hybrid synth plug-in that ships with Logic. And if you’re going to create drum percussion you need FM, and it can do it. Logic 9 (but not 10) has an FM synth, and I’ve made some percussion in there too.
@@RY30DM FM and good envelopes
Alesis SR16
I think it came a little later like ‘95 or so. I could be wrong.
Akai Sampler loops
true, most bands were using the Akai samplers like the S1000
cant believe you didnt mention compression or overdriving the desk channels. ministry's sound comes from overdriving everything
Yeah I remember them talking about one song where they kept feeding compressors into each other. I want to say it was “Bad Bliod.”
Compression,Distortion, verb gate,compression. Yes twice.
depending on the style you're going for yes that could be one of the ways of doing it. Lately I'm more into the ''less is more'' kind of production. Most of the time samples are already processed af. But if you're going for that ''aggressive sound design'' sound yeah Always be careful with distortion though, can easily fuckup your mix haha
I thought Linn and Simmons were used at the time.
Linn I believe was used more by studio musicians and pro musicians like Prince. it was ridiculously expensive.
yeah Linn were a bit more ''mainstream'' although some bands used them too.
Dew stuff...
Yeah its called 909 with accents = Skinny Puppy drums.
Well they did use a 909 like Smothered Hope for exemple. But they used MANY different drum machines over the years.
@@Tonepusher I know mate. I produced Industrial bands since 1990's. And was there to see SP and FLA in 1988. You are right. I was being cheeky and wanted to sum up "that" kick, snare and hat.
@@earlsfield haha I figured! :) I would give my first born child to see FLA and SP in 88 haha (I was 2 years old 😬)
@@Tonepusher ah I was very young too and deffo they blew my head away in so many levels.
🐕 lol 9:06 = subbed
haha thanks 🙏