Oxy-Hydrogen/HHO generator (Acrylic Flame Polisher/Welder, H180, 95 l/h, 220V)
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2019
- Model: H180
Max. gas flow rate: 95 Liter/Hour
Flame temperature: 2800℃
Cell volume: 1800 ml
Electrolytic cells: 1
Voltage: AC220V 1.5A
Water consumption: 30 mL/Hour
Solution density: 15%
Pressure range: 1.3 - 1.5 bar
Weight: 9 Kg
Flame torch supplied: 1
Torch tip supplied: 2
Size: 480 x 280 x 360mm
There is no flashback arrestor on the hose, the flame most of the time stops at the tip (the bubbler is a flashback arrestor).
Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) is sold separately
KOH dissolves very quickly in water and theoretically it remains in the electrolysis cell, it is not eliminated with the HHO gas, just add more distilled water when needed.
HHO = Oxy-Hydrogen, highly flammable gas, it does not require air to burn, it already contains both the fuel (H) and the oxidant (O).
The device automatically stops when the pressure reaches around 1.5 bar (1.52 kgf/cm2) and it automatically starts when the pressure drops below around 0.7 bar.
The flame goes out if the valve is opened too much (too high pressure).
The flame is mostly invisible but at max flame size it can burn a paper even from a distance of around 10cm (3.9 inch).
Wear dark eye protection against metal sparks and blinding light!
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You should use 150 gm of KOH and use the largest orifice that will work. The bottle in the front should be filled with methanol. That will produce a bigger flame that is useful for brazing. Without the methanol, the torch is useless because the flame is so hot that it burns the surface of the metal.
You have to read the manual. I made a similar mistake before myself. You have to use Sodium Hydroxide Solution 15% (850ml water + 150g Sodium hydroxide) ... btw Never touch it with your bare hands because if there is any moisture on them, you will get burned on that spot.
Hi, i recently bought these machines. My bubbler did not come with a pre-assembled pipe as shown in 3.07, it came separate with an additional pin arrow and spring. i think it serves as a one way value to protect against flashback. im sure that you will also have these if you remove this pipe. i want to know which direction i should i connect this? Pin arrow pointing towards the pressure guage (upwards) or away (downwards)? My instinct says towards the pressure gauge (upwards) so it serves to shut of the air from hho generator tank if there is increased pressure in the bubbler from for example a flashback. However, i couldn't find anything in the instructions/manual. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Ash
The warning sticker on top says to not open the fill cap when machine is pressurised. Also do not light when gas pressure is low. Your initial issue is not measuring the electrolyte (KOH or caustic soda) to the correct ratio. I own this machine and it lasted about 5 years before it simply stopped working, assumed electrode failure because only air was coming out . My newer machine is about 9 years old and still runs great which is the bigger model H260
I think the unit is bad myself? one watt? Unless his mixture which is very light on the KOH could be causing it?
@@mikeharmon4901 troubleshoot first getting the Koh mix ratio correct, I think 15% is right but refer to the manual. After this check the ammeter is reading around 10-12 amp draw and lastly take the flame tip nozzle off and look thru it to see it’s not blocked , if it is obstructed then use a small safety pin to clean it out then make sure it’s tightened back on properly before use or else flashback can happen causing hearing loss and a minor form of shellshock. Adhere by safety guide in the manual provided and you’ll enjoy years of reliable use from a hongguang oxyhydrogen machine
I have the h260 as well. It’s from…?? 2017? The relay went out that shuts its off when it’s reached the pressure limit. Some said they could fix it…. And they merely bypassed the relat so now it’s super sketchy and just keeps building pressure unless in Have the torch fully turned up.
I use a knock off smith little buddy?? Torch or whatever it’s called.
I have one of the two gas lines attached to nothing. This actually works in an interesting way and allows for more Flame adjustment when you open the side with no air flow. It softens the flame.
I dunno were to get new relay /electronics for it :/
It is possible to use isopropyl alcohol instead of methyl? Also using bidestilled water instead of destiled water?
Any chance you could open it up and show us what it looks like inside?
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Do you have a name/brand of the hand vice you are using to hold the wire etc.you are Realy good showing off machine capabilities, Nice video
this looks like the same thing being sold on eagle research for 2500 bucks minus the digital meters is it?
hello furulevi but working at 0.1 pressure the flame is continuous and what temperature can come out I wait for you thanks
you have to adjust the electrolyte in a range of 25 to 35% WT of KOH
To clarify, 25% volume of the dry and wet to one another? Measure one quart of the dry flake electrolyte to three quarts of water for a 25% mix? Do you use distilled water in both the mix and overflow?
@@RestoringReality The maximum usable concentration of KOH is normally considered to be 28%. That's 720ml Distilled Water and 280grams of KOH
Copper gets very soft when annealed (heated) so you can easily break it even if welded. nice show though...
add potassium hydroxide to the water. should be 15amps
Your not using enough baking powder, distilled water isnt conductive that is why u need to add the powder and the more u add the more conductive it becomes and ur amperage goes up therefore increases your pressure much faster
That is generally true, but I think this machine limits the current (I'm not sure). In other home made generators a tiny amount of KOH made a large difference, but not in this case.
@@furulevi hmmm probably the power supply that converts the AC into DC isnt big enough, I believe that one is only 300 watts.
Far away from baking powder...
@@marcopruscini1603 A specific Alkaline solution would be ideal but...
@@bitrage. Sodium hydroxide
That is mostly for welding jewelry, very small stuff.
Can NaOH be used?
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clamping will aid with welding
The instructions say I need to use NaOH not KOH. Is there a difference or will it work eitherway?
Mostly both are OK, KOH is somewhat better...
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The only problem I have with it is safety, HHO does not really exist, what we have is an explosive mixture of H2 and O2, you have a classic fuel and oxidizer mixed together, really the machine should separate both gasses and then remix them in the torch.
That would be a hydrogen fuel cell, and is somewhat more complicated.
This is a type of torch/generator that has been used for literally decades. It was literally the first gas mixture ever used for welding (and the gas produced by electrolysis exactly like this). I assure you, as long as you have a flashback arrestor (the bubbler), it is completely safe to operate assuming all other safety precautions are followed. Absolutely no reason to separate the gasses and remix them. It would just add unnecessary cost and complexity. However, unlike what furulevi stated, it really isn't THAT complicated. It is just a matter of separating the anode and cathode into two separate tanks connected by an electrolyte bridge. Oxygen is formed at the anode, hydrogen at the cathode, already separated with no further work needed. However, even that is simply unnecessary for an application such as this.
@@furulevi Erm no... You just put a tube around the negative terminal for one gas, and the positive for the other. That's secondary school level basic science. A hydrogen fuel cell works in a very different maner.
This guy is driving me nuts
You made a mistake with the metal wire. It mustn't get so hot. If it gets too hot, all the carbon in the metal wire burns up. Excessive flame may only act briefly. Too long exposure to the flame will burn the steel. This is very tricky and not so easy to set the correct temperature. Remember HHO flames are much hotter than normal flames. And there are other physical properties. You can easely melt stones with HHO
Thanks!
frequincy ?
You must add much more KOH to the water
On a much larger home-made HHO generator a tiny amount of KOH significanty increased the current consumption... This must be current limited (I haven't looked inside it yet).
@@furulevi read instructions , they are saying 15%
@@davidp8157 Right, but I think 15% is too much, I used 2 teaspoon of 95% KOH and I am at 5 amp, that is about 10 grams or 1%.
@@motto666 You definitely need 150 gram. It should draw about 15 amps.
Can it melt platinum?
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I also have the same one, but the model is H160. I think your HHO flame is too small. My HHO flame is 10cm long. Check your NaOH: H2O is 1:5 and check if there is any air leakage.❤
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the flux capacitor is in backwards no amps should be 1.1 giga watts
Cool machine. Does it have flashback arrestors?
The bubbler would be one, but as I noticed the flame does not reach the bubbler anyway even when the gas pressure is low.
@@furulevi thanks for the clarification
@@furulevi bubbler is flashback arrestor and works when used pproperly.Insufficient electrolyte, gave inadequate gas production and lack of results
Dude you should never touch the KOH with your bare hands . For real !
Imagine rubbing your eye after that! These are caustic chemicals, be careful!
This is painful, add more bicarbonate soda
We have used the ruclips.net/user/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
Have you tried using any other torch nozzles with it?
I think not... Will they make a difference, or I need a larger machine?
@@furulevi no add more potassium hydroxide
Secondo me,dopo più di un anno potresti anche farci vedere dentro cosa c è, secondo me faresti un bel po' di visualizzazioni. Fino ad adesso non l'ha fatto nessuno. Comunque grazie del video!
Good idea! ;)
Is that maximum level of flame? Hardly visible, im so happy didn’t purchase this model, thank you
The flame is somewhat invisible, so it's longer then it seems!
CAN WE USE REGULAR SEA SALT. ITS HARD TO GET CAUSTIC SODA ( KOH) HERE
I'm not sure... That will generate chlorine gas also because salt is NaCl.
Maybe try using wood ash if lye/KOH s not available
Does this machine have a flashback arrestor?
I think the metal cylinder (bubbler) acts as a flashback arrestor, but the tiny hole on the burner is also stopping the flame from going backward.
You need more koh, but not too much, if you put too much then you will need to wash out. Can you open generator? I want to see quality inside of it, thanks.
I think I haven't used it since I made this video, I would also be curious about the inside also, and about the color of the liquid inside...
The flame is not as powerful as I thought. Are you sure your generator works well?
The flame is not too small, it is mostly invisible, at around 22:09 you can see that the paper is bending because of the heat of the flame, and at 22:12 it is even burning the paper.
Of course the flame is too small to melt the large metal shown at 9:34.
I want purchased this machine
Pre heat the metal with your propane torch first
Where it has oxygen output?
Its already mixed
Just got mine today instructions say that having a grounding plug is absolutly nessisary to prevent electric shocks yours appears to be missing .
Devices work without any problem if grounding is not present, that' just a safety feature. The cable shown at 0:13 has 3 wires, phase, neutral and grounding. At 3:38 the wall socket had no grounding.
@@furulevi Oh, I see . Its different than US plug, US plug has a grounding rod that sticks out from the plug instead of a hole . I just watched a video with the same model as you and I that had ten times the flame and the person I bought from said to use 250 grams of sodium hydrochloride lye . Good luck.
@@personalitycat9842 *Sodium Hydroxide
The ratio is 1 part KOH and 3 parts water.
I think that is waaaay too much...
It's a 15 percent ratio
@@ghostlee900 i am stupid, please help? Are we measuring the weight of one to the volume of another? Would one quart of flakes and three quarts of water equal a 25% mix? Are you using distilled water in both the overflow and the primary tank?
you need to add more KOH read your instructions its a ratio between the KOH and distilled water.
Could be...
Pour 1KG of distilled water with .2KG caustic soda powder, stir allow 20 mins to cool.
5 to 1 is the example, 35 ounces distilled water with 7.05 ounces of caustic powder.
You will create a very powerful mixture that will create a flame to burn through half the stuff your video showed couldn't.
You did not have the correct ratio in your drum of the machine.
Well I definitely won't be buying one of those. Thanks for the tip!
Just get a AC/DC TIG welder as you can weld pretty much anything with one of those (You can do most metals with just a DC TIG but you need AC for doing Aluminium (NOT aluuuuminium) and magnesium. Might be some others but I'm pretty there the main two). Especially if it's HF as it makes life a lot easier, even if you've got a lot of experience. Otherwise there will be a lot of tungsten sharpening n if it's thoriated it's even worse!
Try your best not to breath in tungsten dust as it's not good for you, like most exotic metals.
A larger machine of this kind would be better. This is sold as an acrylic polisher, not a metal welder.
Nice but the Flame has low Energie it is to smal flame You need a much mor bigger Flame to melt big thinks of metal
Yes the flame size of this model is small...
If u put more KOH your Amps will decrease, so try to put KOH to reach 10 Amps minimum!
*increase
@@furulevi omg my bad, yes i mean increase the Amps!
Thx!
You need the proper ratio of KOH Looks like you need a lot more and then in the bubbler tank use alcohol You’ll get a much better flame
Can you tell me why alcohol is preferred over water for the bubbler, please? Oh, and also what kind of alcohol is best?
Thank you!
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The simplest way is to insert 2 metal (stainless steel) objects into the water close to each other and power it with direct current.
add more koh
Non riesco a portare in temperatura la fiamma.....
The low amperage I think is due to incorrect NAOH / KOH mixture. Distilled water will carry NO VOLTAGE> Also your unit has a pressure gauge where another I saw has a "pop-off" valve in it's place and describes the canister it sits on as a "Blow-back flame arrestor" Filling it with methanol would be not to smart I am thinking. ruclips.net/video/rD8XyicU_bo/видео.html
I have one of these and I have no idea what to do with it. Help?
Start doing carbon clean on cars
@@GlennDHS actually i just use it for tortillas now.
can it be used for gold jewelery?
Probably yes... because gold should be in smaller quantities :) (I haven't tried it!)
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I am surprised how small flame your torch produced at 1,5 bar . I use my own torch and when pressure is anything around 0.1 bar flame is almost 10 cm . Just saying you are better off buying generator .
The flame is not too small, it is mostly invisible, at around 22:09 you can see that the paper is bending because of the heat of the flame, and at 22:12 it is even burning the paper.
The flame size depends on the nozzle diameter. You can simply drill it wider to get a bigger flame. Of course you will consume more gas than you produce, so ...
Glad I watched this as I was just about to buy one, but obviously they are just crap
Get a larger one.
The larger one is far more expensive. The issues I see is this is only half decent if you use the alcohol. The other thing is that you have no way to increase the output, of you could control the amperage then you could increase the hho has output
From ware we buy ?
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Stop breathing in noxious gases, jussayin
Great video
you probably need some flux to weld... maybe a little borax
In the case of aluminium the 2 pieces fused together without any flux.
@@furulevi yes aluminum does other metals need some help
Possibility of using this machine for car engine interior cleaning?
It could work but a higher gas flow would be much better.
HOW MUCH
7 grams per liter
If I find myself needing to cut 1mm metal I will use tin snips not this over complicated cigarette lighter
Noooooo run 95 liter noo 000 liter
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This is extremely dangerous the way you designed this.. You need to seperate the gasses FIRST and store them that way, if you do not separate O2 and H you are going to end up with a flame that travels right back up the tubing and into the storage tank... hot potassium hydroxide everywhere not good! I've seen this. You can reduce the chances of it by creating a mesh based flame arrestor inline, but ideally separate the gas at production.
This was bought, not made at home. These devices don't separate the 2 gases, they don't have a separator membrane like fuel cells. The bubbler is the flame arrestor, a mesh type arrestor has no chance of stopping this gas.
@@furulevi Whether it was bought or made doesn't matter, this is dangerous. The bubbler doesn't protect anything, the gasses bubble up are O2 and H premixed, the flame can and sometimes does travel up the tube. They should be separated and its hard to believe these are sold this way!
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So basically this machine is useless for anything other than for tiny objects
I think so, I haven't really used it. Welding might be much better (TIG/MIG/MAG)
if that is how it works its useless
Painful!!! Did you not read the instructions?
This made me so angry ! Using dangerous gas flame without using a welders mask is really bad idea to show on video. What if kids decide to do this ? Do you want to be responsible for blind kids ?
DON'T TRY IT AT HOME!
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seems like a waste of money for something that is mickey mouse and does nothing ,try and let it generate more psi next time
This device is sold as an acrylic polisher, not as a welder for thick metals.
I see many mistakes your making.Do more homework before making the video such as mixing and adjust the electrolyte
What a time waster. Hope he has all his fingers till now. No need to read instructions of a device when making a vid. He knows nothing about chemy, use of psa, brazing...
Read the instructions dude...
Which page more exactly? 0:35