Thanks for the video. Ive been working on cars for about 6 or 7 years and figured it was time to do my first clutch on an 04 Lancer and had no idea how it went together. I haven't gotten it out yet but im about to go drop it out in a few mins. Thanks again
God is so good. I watched this video to see how the clutch disk is placed compared to the pressure plate. I saw your starter plate part and I almost kicked myself. I quickly unbolted the thread locker and realized I needed tocheck because of the horror stories that I remember. Wow man thank you so much. And thank God for this channel. God send. Yeshua gang approved.
I'm sure someone else commented on this, but the starter is the same on both AWD and FWD. The bell housing sets the starter gear spacing and the ring gear is really the only thing that is different.
Its a competition clutch one, that's the first thing I thought when I tried to match up the starter but its not all the steps are facing out... im gonna go take it off and take a better look it must be an AWD one, thank you very much ill let you know what I find.
I think it would be worth mentioning here that one should ONLY use flywheel bolts when securing it to the crankshaft. They are special bolts and you will not find them at your local hardware store. Now, I am speaking about the ones on a 3SI but I would bet they are the same design on the DSM's since the transmissions look almost identical. Feel free to confirm this but the ones on 3SI's have a tapered shaft at the heads of the bolt.
wow i never knew that! great video!! i didnt think there was a differance between fwd and awd flywheel.. i thought to keep cost down manufactures used one size fits all...
im going to change my clutch in fiat multiple can you show me or tell me if i have to take the wheel of the side the clutch is not, i no i bleed and take casing of to get to clutch plate, ever done this job but rather save money as i cant aford it , so please can you help me, one fella took both wheels of to twist to get transmission in, please have you any videoa of fiat
I just swap my auto to 5 speed and my clutch won't disengage it won't go into gears but when I put my pressure plate on I think I put it to tight I made the plate lay flat on the flywheel is that wrong please help
I looked in a Chilton manual and it turns out it is 98 ft. lbs. I don't usually use Chiltons manuals, but after seeing it in there, I have to say it's probably right. Many mechanics depend on Alldata for their repairs; which means that there must be a bunch of DSM's out there with under-torqued flywheels. Unbelievable that a reputable company like Alldata has wrong information in it! Anyway, I popped my slave cylinder like you did and have to replace it.
I'm trying to install a clutch for my AT to MT conversion and there is a 4mm gap between the flywheel and pressure plate cover. Is that normal? I've already tightened down the bolts successfully just not sure if that's the way to do it. No tutorial video or images I've seen mention a gap. If it's not normal what is your advice?
I've been using a front-wheel drive starter for my 2 G all-wheel drive. Is that a problem? Or does the 2G use the same starter? It seems to work just fine
Hello I have 1g dsm awd talon I am wondering one thing about flywheel.. Elantra flywheel is same as awd 6 bolt flywheel? i counted elantra has 106 theeths also Did you recognize after remove the elantra's flywheel? There are label on the flywheel 63D4D and 63DT4..63D4D is for 4g61 other one is awd 6 bolt..Can you explain for me? thank you
Ive got a flywheel question for you if you could please get back to me. I bought a comp clutch lightweight for my early 92 6bolt and the teeth arent meshing with the starter it seems like the starter isnt coming far enough away from the engine to mesh up, i checked the teeth of the original against my new one i rolled my old one on the new one they seems the same just the starter dosent seem like its going to reach into the bell housing far enough... please respond thank you for all these guides
Jafro, I'm doing my clutch right now. I see you torque your flywheel bolts to 98 ft-lbs and I also read it mentioned on forums. According to Alldata, they should be torqued to 55 ft. lbs.; which is half that. Did you get your number out of a manual? I just want to make sure because it really sucks when you snap a bolt over-torquing.
Aren't all 2g turbo manual transmission starters the same? I don't think there's a difference between the GST and GSX starter. CAPS even brought up the same part number. Please confirm this because I'm confused
When purchasing a used pressure plate, should one be concern about non-centered tob wear on the pp fingers? I has seen this on most, if not all, used pp for sale and I have a suspicion this leads to broken fingers on the pp... Oh and thanks for your uploads, definitely going to guide me through my clutch installation.
Ryan Tucker I would re-use one of my own, but I personally would never buy someone else's used clutch. I might take it off their hands, but unless it was a twin-disc with its own flywheel, I would keep my wallet in my pocket. I wouldn't risk breaking it in on 2 different flywheels. Clutch tolerances are in thousandths of an inch. Edit: Yes, it's true I re-used the GSX pressure plate on the Hyundai Elantra. I also had both flywheels cut to .610 step height first, and know I only have a thousand miles and 2 dozen drag passes on it.
Thanks for the response it, so when you say the awd is smaller you mean its smaller depth wise? basically my fwd flywheel is thicker? thats why the awd flywheel teeth dont touch the starter?
A terrific series! I had a new clutch fitted here in Thailand on my Suzuki Vitara......the fulcrum fingers were worn away so replaced all, disc, friction disc, thrust bearing and cable (yes cable). Since then I get a hint of grating on changing hear and am told it could be the friction disc was not aligned properly so been learning so I understand before it goes back in to get fixed. I've just been on a long trip with it imperfect, it drives, but it's not right, and I'm told it's called clutch drag though when stationary one can't detect any torque going through when the pedals down so I'm still not quite clear on how the slight grating or clicking get to be. BTw....What do you use to speed up time on your videos? Thanks again!
I use iMovie. A 9 year old copy of it. Not because it's the best. But because it's simple and it works. Miraculously, a 9 year old application like iMovie can work with 1080/30 HD video sources. This format didn't exist when the application was built. I don't think it's clutch drag. I think it's your throwout bearing. The only other thing I'd think might be a pilot bearing, if your car has one. If it makes noise with your foot off the pedal, it's the pilot bearing. If it makes noise with your foot on the clutch, it's the throwout bearing. If it makes a clicking sound only when you press the pedal, it could be your clutch adjustment. Hopefully it's the latter because either of the other 2 options require basically doing the whole job over again to get to those bearings. Last thing I got... my old original 1st-build super-shiny Injen turbo intake is in an Eclipse somewhere in Thailand. I sold it on DSMtrader to someone in Thailand.
***** Thanx for the reply Jafro.... I just look up throwout bearing and we call it a thrust bearing. But that's been replaced the old one had worn into the fingers on the cover plate. No noises apart from maybe a hint on when the gears are very-slightly-grating, more like a slight burring or clicking, on a gear change.....but nothing from clutch I think. BTW as for your software are you saying you take the full movie in HD then iMovie cuts out and throws away most of the frames? Just asking as I tend to use my iPad for video and the memory is limited. The pure unadulterated ipad video clip seems to use an awful lot of bytes many more than an equivalent time on a Piratebay type video!
The Headless Horseman I shouldn't have struck him down in anger. I made it more powerful than I will ever know. Whenever Yoda and Obi Wan pop up from the afterlife, my shop light is floating right there with them.
I have a 400whp 400tq evo x and i put a comp stage 3 clutch in and it failed under 15000kms.... was thinking of an act 6 puck..... i just need something that will hold the torque.... i dont launch or anything whats your recommendation?
Q: I have a "90 Talon TSI AWD and I installed the same clutch and pressure plate that you did in the video. When I mated the transmission to the block there is a massive amount of play with the clutch fork. I can push it all the way back to the transmission and it doesn't even touch the clutch fingers at all. Should I shim the clutch fork or is there another problem to address? Also after installing the clutch, the fingers seemed almost flat instead of domed. Is this normal for this clutch?
i just installed a new clutch on my 2001 mitsibishi eclipse the gears go in with out the clutch but the wheels wont spin we only have the driver side axle on not sure if putting the other one should make a difference can anyone help?
I've never had a pressure plate back off, but that's not saying you shouldn't use the blue loctite. These bolts don't receive very much torque. They've got captive lock washers, and if everything's balanced and you have a good clutch that doesn't chatter, then they should never back out. I've had chattery clutches and they've always stayed put.
My Flywheel is Stepped at .609 I did know that .610 is sweetspot for DSM but I was wondering SHOULD I get it Machined to exactly .610 or is .609 ok? I have this Pressure plate and a Sprung 6 Puck brand new from ACT with an ACT Flywheel.. TY for these VIDEOS!!! Rebuilt my WHOLE engine Watching these Videos THANK YOU!!
The 1/1000 of an inch can be compensated for with proper clutch adjustment, so .609" isn't wrong. You should be able to compensate for that. less than .608 would start causing problems. You might run out of room for the clutch disc springs and the pressure plate springs to operate if that were tighter. You just need enough room for that clutch to fully disengage and not interfere with the springs. You can test all of that before putting it on the street with my clutch adjustment video. :)
Jafromobile ty sir. I watched almost all the gsx videos. Gonna watch the adjustment one again. Im waiting for dowel pin for flywheel to crankshaft. Was told that was important. But cant remember if there was one in it before. Once i have that i can bolt on the flywheel again. Or is dowel not key? Ty for all your knowledge. I hope to have my gsx on road and going to events this spring... Be Blessed Sir...
so why have the tool? Coz you should be checking the the machinest's work before you assemble. Machinests are just maching to the spec's that you give them. You should still hold them accountable for their work. Not just ASSUME that they did what they said they would. If i had done this during my current build, my motor would have failed again due to my alignbore. ALWAYS check your verify that your machinist did their work correctly. :)
Kartyman550 I suppose you are saying when he´s installing the clutch plate? He's using a Long Shaft Ratchet with angle capable head not a Torque Wrench.
Thanks for the video. Ive been working on cars for about 6 or 7 years and figured it was time to do my first clutch on an 04 Lancer and had no idea how it went together. I haven't gotten it out yet but im about to go drop it out in a few mins. Thanks again
God is so good. I watched this video to see how the clutch disk is placed compared to the pressure plate. I saw your starter plate part and I almost kicked myself. I quickly unbolted the thread locker and realized I needed tocheck because of the horror stories that I remember. Wow man thank you so much. And thank God for this channel. God send. Yeshua gang approved.
I'm sure someone else commented on this, but the starter is the same on both AWD and FWD. The bell housing sets the starter gear spacing and the ring gear is really the only thing that is different.
yes, just changes from auto to std
Its a competition clutch one, that's the first thing I thought when I tried to match up the starter but its not all the steps are facing out... im gonna go take it off and take a better look it must be an AWD one, thank you very much ill let you know what I find.
Awesome dsm vids...i gotta fix a prob with my 2g gst clutch and will be watchin these a lot.
Thanks for all the part nums and great info!
I liked the Sayonara Shop Light LOL!
Great video, keep on doing more of these!
Awesome Job. Loved it and fruitful information shared. Thanks.
I think it would be worth mentioning here that one should ONLY use flywheel bolts when securing it to the crankshaft. They are special bolts and you will not find them at your local hardware store. Now, I am speaking about the ones on a 3SI but I would bet they are the same design on the DSM's since the transmissions look almost identical. Feel free to confirm this but the ones on 3SI's have a tapered shaft at the heads of the bolt.
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this vid is realy well put together.awsome job
wow i never knew that! great video!! i didnt think there was a differance between fwd and awd flywheel.. i thought to keep cost down manufactures used one size fits all...
I've seen first hand what a non sprung race disk can do to an input shaft.
im going to change my clutch in fiat multiple can you show me or tell me if i have to take the wheel of the side the clutch is not, i no i bleed and take casing of to get to clutch plate, ever done this job but rather save money as i cant aford it , so please can you help me, one fella took both wheels of to twist to get transmission in, please have you any videoa of fiat
I just swap my auto to 5 speed and my clutch won't disengage it won't go into gears but when I put my pressure plate on I think I put it to tight I made the plate lay flat on the flywheel is that wrong please help
I looked in a Chilton manual and it turns out it is 98 ft. lbs. I don't usually use Chiltons manuals, but after seeing it in there, I have to say it's probably right.
Many mechanics depend on Alldata for their repairs; which means that there must be a bunch of DSM's out there with under-torqued flywheels. Unbelievable that a reputable company like Alldata has wrong information in it!
Anyway, I popped my slave cylinder like you did and have to replace it.
R.I.P. shop light ????-2011. You will be missed.
I really appreciate if the next time you can write in the screen the torque please.
At the shop
what is the splined shaft on the bottom right side of the bellhousing? never seen one before altho i have never worked on a dsm too
I'm trying to install a clutch for my AT to MT conversion and there is a 4mm gap between the flywheel and pressure plate cover. Is that normal? I've already tightened down the bolts successfully just not sure if that's the way to do it. No tutorial video or images I've seen mention a gap. If it's not normal what is your advice?
I've been using a front-wheel drive starter for my 2 G all-wheel drive. Is that a problem? Or does the 2G use the same starter? It seems to work just fine
Hello I have 1g dsm awd talon I am wondering one thing about flywheel.. Elantra flywheel is same as awd 6 bolt flywheel? i counted elantra has 106 theeths also Did you recognize after remove the elantra's flywheel? There are label on the flywheel 63D4D and 63DT4..63D4D is for 4g61 other one is awd 6 bolt..Can you explain for me? thank you
@Jafromobile thank you coz im thinkin to do it myself
@jafromobile - another great video!
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Ive got a flywheel question for you if you could please get back to me. I bought a comp clutch lightweight for my early 92 6bolt and the teeth arent meshing with the starter it seems like the starter isnt coming far enough away from the engine to mesh up, i checked the teeth of the original against my new one i rolled my old one on the new one they seems the same just the starter dosent seem like its going to reach into the bell housing far enough... please respond thank you for all these guides
Just had a new clutch installed on my 65 ford falcon and now the clutch won't move and the car won't stay started. what did he do wrrong
Jafro,
I'm doing my clutch right now. I see you torque your flywheel bolts to 98 ft-lbs and I also read it mentioned on forums. According to Alldata, they should be torqued to 55 ft. lbs.; which is half that. Did you get your number out of a manual? I just want to make sure because it really sucks when you snap a bolt over-torquing.
Aren't all 2g turbo manual transmission starters the same? I don't think there's a difference between the GST and GSX starter. CAPS even brought up the same part number. Please confirm this because I'm confused
When purchasing a used pressure plate, should one be concern about non-centered tob wear on the pp fingers? I has seen this on most, if not all, used pp for sale and I have a suspicion this leads to broken fingers on the pp...
Oh and thanks for your uploads, definitely going to guide me through my clutch installation.
Ryan Tucker I would re-use one of my own, but I personally would never buy someone else's used clutch. I might take it off their hands, but unless it was a twin-disc with its own flywheel, I would keep my wallet in my pocket. I wouldn't risk breaking it in on 2 different flywheels. Clutch tolerances are in thousandths of an inch.
Edit: Yes, it's true I re-used the GSX pressure plate on the Hyundai Elantra. I also had both flywheels cut to .610 step height first, and know I only have a thousand miles and 2 dozen drag passes on it.
question? does my car has to be in neutral to do this? or dont matter
oh ok but anyways does a torque wrench last a lifetime if taking good care of?
I put a video up on my channel I layed them out beside, ontop, and flipped them over and they seem the same to me...
Thanks for the response it, so when you say the awd is smaller you mean its smaller depth wise? basically my fwd flywheel is thicker? thats why the awd flywheel teeth dont touch the starter?
A terrific series!
I had a new clutch fitted here in Thailand on my Suzuki Vitara......the fulcrum fingers were worn away so replaced all, disc, friction disc, thrust bearing and cable (yes cable). Since then I get a hint of grating on changing hear and am told it could be the friction disc was not aligned properly so been learning so I understand before it goes back in to get fixed. I've just been on a long trip with it imperfect, it drives, but it's not right, and I'm told it's called clutch drag though when stationary one can't detect any torque going through when the pedals down so I'm still not quite clear on how the slight grating or clicking get to be.
BTw....What do you use to speed up time on your videos?
Thanks again!
I use iMovie. A 9 year old copy of it. Not because it's the best. But because it's simple and it works. Miraculously, a 9 year old application like iMovie can work with 1080/30 HD video sources. This format didn't exist when the application was built.
I don't think it's clutch drag. I think it's your throwout bearing. The only other thing I'd think might be a pilot bearing, if your car has one. If it makes noise with your foot off the pedal, it's the pilot bearing. If it makes noise with your foot on the clutch, it's the throwout bearing. If it makes a clicking sound only when you press the pedal, it could be your clutch adjustment. Hopefully it's the latter because either of the other 2 options require basically doing the whole job over again to get to those bearings.
Last thing I got... my old original 1st-build super-shiny Injen turbo intake is in an Eclipse somewhere in Thailand. I sold it on DSMtrader to someone in Thailand.
***** Thanx for the reply Jafro....
I just look up throwout bearing and we call it a thrust bearing.
But that's been replaced the old one had worn into the fingers on the cover plate.
No noises apart from maybe a hint on when the gears are very-slightly-grating, more like a slight burring or clicking, on a gear change.....but nothing from clutch I think.
BTW as for your software are you saying you take the full movie in HD then iMovie cuts out and throws away most of the frames?
Just asking as I tend to use my iPad for video and the memory is limited. The pure unadulterated ipad video clip seems to use an awful lot of bytes many more than an equivalent time on a Piratebay type video!
is it safe to ass-u-me that a bnib flywheel from clutchmasters would be stepped correctly? or best to pay the money and have it double checked?
lol garage 'moments' are the best!
rip shop light, it was a good light, cut down to early in its prime.
+The Headless Horseman It tried to kill me and paid the ultimate price.
+Jafromobile yes I did sense some anger in that leg shake that sent it to the ground
The Headless Horseman I shouldn't have struck him down in anger. I made it more powerful than I will ever know. Whenever Yoda and Obi Wan pop up from the afterlife, my shop light is floating right there with them.
how do you know what pieces of the clutch you need to replace? is it the disc or what?
when installing the transmission back in should you put any grease or anything on the input shafts?
How do I know if I need a new flywheel? I'm thinking of replacing my clutch on a 5 spd eclipse rs
I have a 400whp 400tq evo x and i put a comp stage 3 clutch in and it failed under 15000kms.... was thinking of an act 6 puck..... i just need something that will hold the torque.... i dont launch or anything whats your recommendation?
Automatic transmission upgrade racing?
Q: I have a "90 Talon TSI AWD and I installed the same clutch and pressure plate that you did in the video. When I mated the transmission to the block there is a massive amount of play with the clutch fork. I can push it all the way back to the transmission and it doesn't even touch the clutch fingers at all. Should I shim the clutch fork or is there another problem to address? Also after installing the clutch, the fingers seemed almost flat instead of domed. Is this normal for this clutch?
Man I am learning a ton from your videos I was wondering if you could help me out with something
thanks alot!
thank you very much :)
i just installed a new clutch on my 2001 mitsibishi eclipse the gears go in with out the clutch but the wheels wont spin we only have the driver side axle on not sure if putting the other one should make a difference can anyone help?
Jasmine Magana It has an open differential. The wheels won't turn unless both axles are installed. One side is "free wheeling".
no loctite on the pressure plate bolts? did you ever have any problem with them backing out?
I've never had a pressure plate back off, but that's not saying you shouldn't use the blue loctite. These bolts don't receive very much torque. They've got captive lock washers, and if everything's balanced and you have a good clutch that doesn't chatter, then they should never back out. I've had chattery clutches and they've always stayed put.
damn hes fast.
10:30 I see it...i know it...reading the text: I laughed so hard :P
to think that i have to do this to my car withought any experiance whats o ever
So can I used a 7 bolt clutch fwd on a 6 bolt
I'm using a 7-bolt AWD clutch on a 6-bolt FWD. I put the GSX clutch in my Hyundai.
Area not gap.
i didnt like you using the torque wrench as a ratchet but nice video tho!
My Flywheel is Stepped at .609 I did know that .610 is sweetspot for DSM but I was wondering SHOULD I get it Machined to exactly .610 or is .609 ok? I have this Pressure plate and a Sprung 6 Puck brand new from ACT with an ACT Flywheel.. TY for these VIDEOS!!! Rebuilt my WHOLE engine Watching these Videos THANK YOU!!
The 1/1000 of an inch can be compensated for with proper clutch adjustment, so .609" isn't wrong. You should be able to compensate for that. less than .608 would start causing problems. You might run out of room for the clutch disc springs and the pressure plate springs to operate if that were tighter. You just need enough room for that clutch to fully disengage and not interfere with the springs. You can test all of that before putting it on the street with my clutch adjustment video. :)
Jafromobile ty sir. I watched almost all the gsx videos. Gonna watch the adjustment one again. Im waiting for dowel pin for flywheel to crankshaft. Was told that was important. But cant remember if there was one in it before. Once i have that i can bolt on the flywheel again. Or is dowel not key? Ty for all your knowledge. I hope to have my gsx on road and going to events this spring... Be Blessed Sir...
so why have the tool? Coz you should be checking the the machinest's work before you assemble. Machinests are just maching to the spec's that you give them. You should still hold them accountable for their work. Not just ASSUME that they did what they said they would. If i had done this during my current build, my motor would have failed again due to my alignbore. ALWAYS check your verify that your machinist did their work correctly. :)
tast the rainbow
10:28 LOL
Boolean clutch, lmao!
hehe 420 clutch tool.
you know your not supposed to use your torque wrench as a ratchet eh.
mmhhmmm, but everyone does. Sometimes its all youve got that will reach.
Yeah, but we all do
Kartyman550 I suppose you are saying when he´s installing the clutch plate? He's using a Long Shaft Ratchet with angle capable head not a Torque Wrench.