If my thinking is correct on this, the basic mathematical principle that's happening is ancient! The old one we all know, where you deal a row of face up cards, and count from each value until you get to 13, then the participant chooses 3 piles, and the the top cards added sum matches the amount of cards they're left holding...I think you know what I'm talking about lol. Anyway, it was originally introduced in Scarne on Card Tricks under the title Mathematical Finder. However, brilliant minds like Lloyd, Steve Beam, Roberto Giobbi, etc..have taken the concept and turned it into real workers!
Sean, I could bloody kiss you! This is why you're the best Card Magic teacher out there! (BTW, anyone reading this, if you haven't already, subscribe to Sean's channel right now!)
Great effect, fooled me the first time through, solved it the second time, I love the illusion of choice for the spectator that has no bearing on the outcome, they're essentially just counting down cards that's going to be placed on top of the chosen card.
First time I was fooled badly, on the second watch was kicking myself I didn’t figure it out the first time! Such a simple principle but totally fooling to a lay person and your touch of changing the card really ramps up the impossibility. Great stuff, that one will be going into my repertoire!
Great trick! The best part is the two of you! You two together are amazing! I love the two of you on camera, more than the magic because you two are magic! Bless!
What you said about still not knowing how this trick works…that’s what I say every time I learn a new effect by Dani Daortiz or Juan Tamariz (only it’s their brains I don’t understand- geniuses is an understatement). Thanks for this upload. I’ve never seen this effect before. I’m adding it immediately. Fits my style perfectly and is easy to do to boot!
Just trying to recreate what happened here in this specific case, even though I'm probably way off. The force card needs to be the 28th card from the top before pulling off the two 13 card piles. 1. Spotted the force card. 2. Broke the deck above the force card and placed the force card pile on top. The force card is now the top of the deck. 3. Squared up the cards. 4. Broke the cards again as close to the middle as possible, with the force card topped pile still on top. 5. Used a faro to compare how many cards off the top pile (force card pile) is from the bottom pile. Lloyd is 2 cards too high on his force pile deck (27 in the force pile, 25 in the other pile). 6. Didn't complete the faro, instead pulled apart both piles and placed the bottom pile on top of the force card pile. The force card is now 26 from the top. 8. Peeled off two cards from the bottom to the top putting the force card at the 28th position from the top.
@@gavinstuart6704 If he doesn't touch the deck would be a math trick. But he touches the deck, cut and peel some cards. So it's not fully a math trick.
@@travisgomillion6357you are actually correct - and thanks for your breakdown. He has to have the card at position 28. I wondered how he achieved that, but it's the faro that's the key. I'm only a beginner and that's beyond me, but I get the person to shuffle the entire deck, then I get them to select the first 26 cards. We both shuffle our decks but I swap the bottom force card to second from the top. Then I get them to make two stacks of 13 from their 26 and proceed as in the video. It's a lot simpler and in some ways better as it works every time for a beginner - plus I don't pre-select the card. When I display the pack after their initial shuffle I look at the card at the bottom and then remember and select that as my card from the second (red) pack at the end, which is actually more impactful than something selected before the trick is even started (which suggests to the audience that the entire thing is a con as it's obviously pre-determined). It also means I can change the force card right up until the moment I put my stack down and can crib if I screw up and lose the original force card in my shuffling 😊
Cool trick, very effective presentation. Chapeau! You gave an important hint when you said it is a self working trick. That makes me think that the queen of spade is in a predetermined position. I give it a try.
Great video! They taught something very similar to this on the Card Shark stream a few months ago, certainly the same method to get the number. I don't remember them crediting it though, and your subtleties make it a lot more deceptive. Nice one and thanks for the amazing channel!
When adding the two cards - how do you deal with king/queen/jack? i would normally count facecards as ten but in order to get it right it would have to be 13/12/11 - any thoughts?
I need to learn this trick before the weekend cos I do card tricks and I am playing cards at the weekend and need to show my mates and fool them but I cant do it lo
This is a very old method. I used to perform this but the routine wasn't as beautiful as this - Annoyingly I can't remember the version I did was called either!
Lloyd, I love your magic...dont get me wrong!!! but why am i paying $150 per year when things like this are not linked ???? and if they are the link does not work????
Hey dude, I appreciate you taking the time to comment. The reason that this isn't linked to any tutorial, is that there is no tutorial for this Fool 'Er episode, and it's not advertised as a tutorial either. This was actually posted before my Patreon exited, too. But, if you want an explanation for it, I can try to find time to post it just for you on Patreon, if that helps? Take care, Lloyd :)
@@gabrielstepanek5873 It seems like people are saying it’s in “Scarne on card magic”. Not Scarne on cards. But if you watch this 5 or 10 times you will eventually see something he does and if you think about that thing he does and what’s happening, it will become obvious.
I think I might have figured out the trick, but as you don't want to spoil a trick from another magician I spoil in the comment section. What would say though, her shuffle was nearly perfect to the point where the trick would have been 100% self working. EDIT: I see someone else didn't bother being so subtle about spoiling the trick.
Some thoughts on a classic. I do the trick differently which uses 2 spectators: 1) Hand 26 cards to each spectator and get them both to shuffle their cards. 2) Have a card selected from one half then "lost". 3) Have the other spectator deal two piles the same way Lloyd does to create a random number, the only difference being they start with one pile of 26 cards and make two piles stopping if the value matches. 4) You then get spectator 2 to deal down to spectator 1's card.
@@otallono i believe the selected card is to be controlled to the 2nd position. U take the deck from thier hands , say that ull shuffle the cards to mix em up and lose the card somewhere, but instead ur controlling it to the second position from top. Thats how i understand it.
@@famousdukat6392 i don't want to make a video, but here is my method: 1.At the beginning you let the spectator schuffle the cards. 2.When you take the deck back, search for the queen and cut the cards, so that the queen is in the bottom half. 3.Let the spectator deal 13 cards twice 4.Take the deck back, show that the rest of the deck is mixed and secretly cut the cards, so that the queen is second from top. 5.Place the deck on the table and let the spectator do his thing, so that two face up piles are on the table. Place the non dealt cards on the rest of the deck. 6.Now add the 2 card values on top of the piles and let the spectator deal the amount of cards from the rest of the deck. 7.The queen schould be in this position I hope you understand
Yo Lloyd! First and foremost: congrats on pumping out so much great content and doing it while maintaining quality and soul. Love seeing you perform for your wife. With that in mind: you keep saying you suffer from imposter syndrome and are not a good performer. It you’re open to it/would like to- I can help with that. If you want, I’m happy to hop on zoom/FaceTime for forty minutes as I really can help with that- and think I know how to help in a deep way. Just a friend reaching out ✌🏼
(Anyone can have an opinion, but withou having to list my credits- I studied at three different theatre conservatories, performed for the Queen and wrote books on the topic. So I’m not just throwing darts at a board- genuinely willing and able to be of service if you want to 😍🙏🏼)
@@wearenorthcolour I literally figured it out by watching the video so I'll explain right now. You ready? Place your force card 28th from the top, and it all works out. Here's how. If they deal to a 10, that's 4 cards (K,Q,J,10), leaving the cards in their hand as 9. Let's say for the sake of simplicity, they do 10 for both piles, (it doesn't matter if they make it up, they still do the same thing just imagining instead), now you place the leftover cards (9 cards for each pile, so 18), leaving their card in the 20th position (10+10=20) EASY. So, basically the way I do it, is i have them shuffle, then spread through, and if the force card is in the bottom half, perfect, if not, cut it there. Now have them deal 2 piles of 13 (26), and then when they are done, spread the cards, and cut the force card second from the top. Now everything works out. Hopefully that makes sense
@@djthemagician But he said it was self working, that requires a move to get the card on the 28th position after she shuffles. That's not self working.
Figured it out, but could you trip up if when you asked if they wanna swap any cards from the pile in your hand. As it's possible they Could pit the selected card in there 2 piles of 13
1:58 the Queen of spades is at the 26th position - next shuffle that appeared, well, you decide. Card was placed in the right spot way early in the trick.... and the cards from the two piles and that number, well, the proper number of cards added back on to the fuller deck. I'm not giving away everything here, but enough to say that all of the additional shuffles helped to really make this an effective trick. Great stuff!
Yeah, how the hell did he get the queen in the right spot for the trick to work? Something happened off screen but not sure it was then it moved from 26th.
Hello, it's a cool trick And I don't think the queen is at that position...but? But i really don't see the positioning on screen, i think i got the moment but the video is not so clear at this point 😉
@@LloydB I was able to catch when you did it with the subsequent move you did... very clever indeed, but incredibly hard to notice unless you're specifically looking for it.
All that is needed is to be certain that the queen of spades will finish, after the spectator's shuffle in 28th position. The easiest way is to do it in two steps: After spectator’s shuffling, you make a ribbon of face up cards on the table to show that all the cards are different. Or to ask the spectator if he is satisfied with his shuffling. In fact, you are watching where is the Queen of spade When you take the ribbon of cards back from the table, if needed you cut to have the queen of spade further than the centers (The best is just a little further than the center as 29th to 35th position). It’s only guessing. The spectator deals 2 packets of 13 cards. At this time the queen of spades should be in the first cards of the bigger deck left on the table. You ask him if he wants to swap some cards between the two 13 cards packet. Then, you make with the bigger packet a ribbon of face up cards asking to the spectator if he wants to swap some cards… Il fact, you are watching how far is the queen from de top.And you cut the deck to place it 2nd from the top. Or you make a cull or something like that. Shortly said you move some cards to have the queen in 2nd position of the top (so in 28ième position of all the cards). Or you move the Queen of spade (with a cull for exemple) The rest is automatic but the presentation is verry very very good. in fact I was blown away !!! I knew the mathematical principle but had forgotten it. It was by looking at the comments that I remembered it. And I had to look a few times to get an idea of how you position the cards. And I think that my explanation does not correspond 100% to your method. The idea of using a red card placed on the mat before the trick is wonderful. as well as asking her if she wants to switch cards between decks, shuffle them, etc. This makes for a professional grade ride
Completely fooled me ...the first time. :) Not sure if this is right but I think he palmed the Q of S them placed it on top after she made two piles of 13. the rest is self working.
If my thinking is correct on this, the basic mathematical principle that's happening is ancient! The old one we all know, where you deal a row of face up cards, and count from each value until you get to 13, then the participant chooses 3 piles, and the the top cards added sum matches the amount of cards they're left holding...I think you know what I'm talking about lol. Anyway, it was originally introduced in Scarne on Card Tricks under the title Mathematical Finder. However, brilliant minds like Lloyd, Steve Beam, Roberto Giobbi, etc..have taken the concept and turned it into real workers!
Sean, I could bloody kiss you! This is why you're the best Card Magic teacher out there! (BTW, anyone reading this, if you haven't already, subscribe to Sean's channel right now!)
@@LloydB Thanks, Lloyd!!! I really appreciate that!
Just have ….. thanks!
I know the method for the Mathematical Finder and I'm still fooled...don't know what I'm missing
I know Mathematical Finder from Scarne too and I'm fooled at this one.
Great effect, fooled me the first time through, solved it the second time, I love the illusion of choice for the spectator that has no bearing on the outcome, they're essentially just counting down cards that's going to be placed on top of the chosen card.
First time I was fooled badly, on the second watch was kicking myself I didn’t figure it out the first time! Such a simple principle but totally fooling to a lay person and your touch of changing the card really ramps up the impossibility. Great stuff, that one will be going into my repertoire!
I love how she’s so obsessed with the first part with her picking numbers. That’s what makes this the perfect card trick.
Great trick! The best part is the two of you! You two together are amazing! I love the two of you on camera, more than the magic because you two are magic! Bless!
What you said about still not knowing how this trick works…that’s what I say every time I learn a new effect by Dani Daortiz or Juan Tamariz (only it’s their brains I don’t understand- geniuses is an understatement).
Thanks for this upload. I’ve never seen this effect before. I’m adding it immediately. Fits my style perfectly and is easy to do to boot!
Just trying to recreate what happened here in this specific case, even though I'm probably way off. The force card needs to be the 28th card from the top before pulling off the two 13 card piles.
1. Spotted the force card.
2. Broke the deck above the force card and placed the force card pile on top. The force card is now the top of the deck.
3. Squared up the cards.
4. Broke the cards again as close to the middle as possible, with the force card topped pile still on top.
5. Used a faro to compare how many cards off the top pile (force card pile) is from the bottom pile. Lloyd is 2 cards too high on his force pile deck (27 in the force pile, 25 in the other pile).
6. Didn't complete the faro, instead pulled apart both piles and placed the bottom pile on top of the force card pile. The force card is now 26 from the top.
8. Peeled off two cards from the bottom to the top putting the force card at the 28th position from the top.
its a math trick, no sleight of hand involved
@@gavinstuart6704 Ahh thanks lol! I wasn't even in the same universe.
@@gavinstuart6704 If he doesn't touch the deck would be a math trick. But he touches the deck, cut and peel some cards. So it's not fully a math trick.
@@travisgomillion6357you are actually correct - and thanks for your breakdown. He has to have the card at position 28. I wondered how he achieved that, but it's the faro that's the key. I'm only a beginner and that's beyond me, but I get the person to shuffle the entire deck, then I get them to select the first 26 cards. We both shuffle our decks but I swap the bottom force card to second from the top. Then I get them to make two stacks of 13 from their 26 and proceed as in the video. It's a lot simpler and in some ways better as it works every time for a beginner - plus I don't pre-select the card. When I display the pack after their initial shuffle I look at the card at the bottom and then remember and select that as my card from the second (red) pack at the end, which is actually more impactful than something selected before the trick is even started (which suggests to the audience that the entire thing is a con as it's obviously pre-determined). It also means I can change the force card right up until the moment I put my stack down and can crib if I screw up and lose the original force card in my shuffling 😊
Your magic really fly’s. Quite brilliant.
Great one just amazing - I just dont know how do you place it at the... Place?! I thing I just palm it and put it there
2:04 - why that cut?
A great way to start an early morning in LA. We'll done Lloyd.
This effect is so cool. Definitely going to be performing this. The method seems so fair too
I just want to know how you got the card to be placed placed 25th from the bottom. I figured out everything else.
Where to go to learn card trick?
Cool trick, very effective presentation. Chapeau! You gave an important hint when you said it is a self working trick. That makes me think that the queen of spade is in a predetermined position. I give it a try.
Great video! They taught something very similar to this on the Card Shark stream a few months ago, certainly the same method to get the number. I don't remember them crediting it though, and your subtleties make it a lot more deceptive. Nice one and thanks for the amazing channel!
Hi Lloyd is the trick explained in your Patreon?
I would really like to learn that trick because I’ve been working on any card at any number and I feel like this would help me with that
Hey Lloyd... This just simulated a faro to compare the two halfs?!
How do u secretly cut to the queen to get in position
When adding the two cards - how do you deal with king/queen/jack? i would normally count facecards as ten but in order to get it right it would have to be 13/12/11 - any thoughts?
Hi Lloyd. Awesome as usual. When are you releasing your pocket index? Thanks
👆🏻this! I’m with you, Martin. I want that index.
Looking forward to the pocket index as well. Enjoyed the trick, keep up the great material your wife and you are creating.
Where is that mat from? Looks like the perfect size
self working card trick, queen of spade was place in the second from top.
I need to learn this trick before the weekend cos I do card tricks and I am playing cards at the weekend and need to show my mates and fool them but I cant do it lo
Thats amazing👍👍 how? Wheres the tutorial?☺
This is a very old method. I used to perform this but the routine wasn't as beautiful as this - Annoyingly I can't remember the version I did was called either!
Lloyd, I love your magic...dont get me wrong!!! but why am i paying $150 per year when things like this are not linked ???? and if they are the link does not work????
Hey dude,
I appreciate you taking the time to comment. The reason that this isn't linked to any tutorial, is that there is no tutorial for this Fool 'Er episode, and it's not advertised as a tutorial either. This was actually posted before my Patreon exited, too.
But, if you want an explanation for it, I can try to find time to post it just for you on Patreon, if that helps?
Take care,
Lloyd :)
A trick that fools the pants off its spectators... 🤔
* Runs down to the local pub immediately * 😄😉
Please do a tutorial, awesome trick
I would but it's not my work to teach man.
@@LloydB Can you send us to place where we can buy it?
@@gabrielstepanek5873
It seems like people are saying it’s in “Scarne on card magic”. Not Scarne on cards.
But if you watch this 5 or 10 times you will eventually see something he does and if you think about that thing he does and what’s happening, it will become obvious.
Amazing trick! My brain exploded!
I understood how it works! Such a simple idea... But genious impression!
Hey Lloyd, the principle dates all the way back to Modern Magic in 1876. Insane magic has been around for that long, right? Hope that helps!
Since agent egypt
i need to learn the method
teach me Lloyd.
Does anyone know Craig Pettys subscription site? I remember Lloyd mentioned it a while ago. Thanks in advance
Link in the description of this video 😉
@@LloydB
Thanks pal…. I’m daft. I never looked further down.
Hey Lloyd , you are a Monster manipulator. That was effing awesome! completely impossible , yet NOT. hope you come to the States at some point.
This is one of my favorites
I think I might have figured out the trick, but as you don't want to spoil a trick from another magician I spoil in the comment section.
What would say though, her shuffle was nearly perfect to the point where the trick would have been 100% self working.
EDIT:
I see someone else didn't bother being so subtle about spoiling the trick.
Always incredible ❤ 🔥🔥
Thanks dude!
that mustaches enhances your style buddy #lovefromindia ❤️
Best comment ❤️
@@LloydB man i was supposed to get a signed card of you for my collection I'm eagerly waiting for that to reach 😌
AMAZING!!!🤯🤯🤯
I like video👇👇👇
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Im completly FOOLED.... ❤️
Beautiful trick!
Thanks!
What’s a “nicker”?
Knickers…panties.
Some thoughts on a classic. I do the trick differently which uses 2 spectators:
1) Hand 26 cards to each spectator and get them both to shuffle their cards.
2) Have a card selected from one half then "lost".
3) Have the other spectator deal two piles the same way Lloyd does to create a random number, the only difference being they start with one pile of 26 cards and make two piles stopping if the value matches.
4) You then get spectator 2 to deal down to spectator 1's card.
2) what??
@@otallono i believe the selected card is to be controlled to the 2nd position. U take the deck from thier hands , say that ull shuffle the cards to mix em up and lose the card somewhere, but instead ur controlling it to the second position from top. Thats how i understand it.
Thank u very much for sharing this
This is awesome
Key move....after they are done with either pile, put the remainder on the top of.....*ahem*.....the rest of the deck. ;-)
Like much in life it is suddenly obvious right after it becomes obvious.
Please tutorial
Just put the queen at the 28th position and it works
@@berndforst4168 upload tutorial for community, like old school snitch, we must learn this, i sub to u
@@famousdukat6392 i don't want to make a video, but here is my method:
1.At the beginning you let the spectator schuffle the cards.
2.When you take the deck back, search for the queen and cut the cards, so that the queen is in the bottom half.
3.Let the spectator deal 13 cards twice
4.Take the deck back, show that the rest of the deck is mixed and secretly cut the cards, so that the queen is second from top.
5.Place the deck on the table and let the spectator do his thing, so that two face up piles are on the table. Place the non dealt cards on the rest of the deck.
6.Now add the 2 card values on top of the piles and let the spectator deal the amount of cards from the rest of the deck.
7.The queen schould be in this position
I hope you understand
@@berndforst4168 thanks you, from bottom of my heart
@@famousdukat6392 No problem
Yo Lloyd! First and foremost: congrats on pumping out so much great content and doing it while maintaining quality and soul. Love seeing you perform for your wife. With that in mind: you keep saying you suffer from imposter syndrome and are not a good performer. It you’re open to it/would like to- I can help with that. If you want, I’m happy to hop on zoom/FaceTime for forty minutes as I really can help with that- and think I know how to help in a deep way. Just a friend reaching out ✌🏼
(Anyone can have an opinion, but withou having to list my credits- I studied at three different theatre conservatories, performed for the Queen and wrote books on the topic. So I’m not just throwing darts at a board- genuinely willing and able to be of service if you want to 😍🙏🏼)
It’s something to do with that shuffle you did yourself but I’m effed if I know what!
Nope. Not at all. It’s very simple, and no sleight of hand is required (almost)
@@djthemagician any idea where I can learn it?
@@wearenorthcolour I literally figured it out by watching the video so I'll explain right now. You ready?
Place your force card 28th from the top, and it all works out. Here's how. If they deal to a 10, that's 4 cards (K,Q,J,10), leaving the cards in their hand as 9. Let's say for the sake of simplicity, they do 10 for both piles, (it doesn't matter if they make it up, they still do the same thing just imagining instead), now you place the leftover cards (9 cards for each pile, so 18), leaving their card in the 20th position (10+10=20) EASY. So, basically the way I do it, is i have them shuffle, then spread through, and if the force card is in the bottom half, perfect, if not, cut it there. Now have them deal 2 piles of 13 (26), and then when they are done, spread the cards, and cut the force card second from the top. Now everything works out. Hopefully that makes sense
@@djthemagician But he said it was self working, that requires a move to get the card on the 28th position after she shuffles. That's not self working.
@@djthemagician Also, what if she choose 2 for the first pile?
its stunning🤣
Thanks dude! 🙏
Easy trick , more outs than hot dinners . Remember this can never be repeated in the same way . Keep going until you get there
This was a beautifull trick
Thanks Julian!
If you can't teach it. Where did you learn it?
I can't remember 😭
@@LloydB well that socks lol
@@LloydB What’s the name of this effect ?
Figured it out, but could you trip up if when you asked if they wanna swap any cards from the pile in your hand. As it's possible they Could pit the selected card in there 2 piles of 13
@@ukufocenter1621 You figured this out ??
Must know method. Must know method.
1:58 the Queen of spades is at the 26th position - next shuffle that appeared, well, you decide. Card was placed in the right spot way early in the trick.... and the cards from the two piles and that number, well, the proper number of cards added back on to the fuller deck. I'm not giving away everything here, but enough to say that all of the additional shuffles helped to really make this an effective trick. Great stuff!
Yeah, how the hell did he get the queen in the right spot for the trick to work? Something happened off screen but not sure it was then it moved from 26th.
You’re on the right tracks but the move happens totally on screen. It’s quite a deceptive method though 🙂
Hello, it's a cool trick
And I don't think the queen is at that position...but?
But i really don't see the positioning on screen, i think i got the moment but the video is not so clear at this point 😉
@@LloydB I was able to catch when you did it with the subsequent move you did... very clever indeed, but incredibly hard to notice unless you're specifically looking for it.
@@LloydB 2'03 (position)+ break + false failed riffle shuffle and alléluia (nicely executed though) thanks for reminding us of this technique
Boiled my head🤪
This one is hurting my head.
All that is needed is to be certain that the queen of spades will finish, after the spectator's shuffle in 28th position.
The easiest way is to do it in two steps:
After spectator’s shuffling, you make a ribbon of face up cards on the table to show that all the cards are different. Or to ask the spectator if he is satisfied with his shuffling.
In fact, you are watching where is the Queen of spade
When you take the ribbon of cards back from the table, if needed you cut to have the queen of spade further than the centers (The best is just a little further than the center as 29th to 35th position). It’s only guessing.
The spectator deals 2 packets of 13 cards. At this time the queen of spades should be in the first cards of the bigger deck left on the table.
You ask him if he wants to swap some cards between the two 13 cards packet.
Then, you make with the bigger packet a ribbon of face up cards asking to the spectator if he wants to swap some cards…
Il fact, you are watching how far is the queen from de top.And you cut the deck to place it 2nd from the top.
Or you make a cull or something like that.
Shortly said you move some cards to have the queen in 2nd position of the top (so in 28ième position of all the cards). Or you move the Queen of spade (with a cull for exemple)
The rest is automatic but the presentation is verry very very good.
in fact I was blown away !!!
I knew the mathematical principle but had forgotten it. It was by looking at the comments that I remembered it.
And I had to look a few times to get an idea of how you position the cards. And I think that my explanation does not correspond 100% to your method.
The idea of using a red card placed on the mat before the trick is wonderful. as well as asking her if she wants to switch cards between decks, shuffle them, etc.
This makes for a professional grade ride
Completely fooled me ...the first time. :)
Not sure if this is right but I think he palmed the Q of S them placed it on top after she made two piles of 13. the rest is self working.
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You have a lovely wife.
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@@LloydB winner ? Any reward : keep uploading amazing content bro that's enough 😊
@@Alok01002 Reward, go and get yourself a bucket of grit, fabulous achievement
What is first view..lol...
Where is your winning post?