What's Happened to the NCR after New Vegas?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In the Fallout TV Series, a fan favorite faction returned for an appearance, except in a somewhat diminished form. The NCR, once a powerhouse of a faction, appeared to be on its knees - with its forces weakened and their capital city nuked. Their status in the show led many to believe that the NCR as we know it was over.
However Todd Howard had confirmed that the NCR would be appearing in Fallout Season 2. In this video, we will take a look at where and how the NCR might be appearing in the second season of the Fallout TV Series.
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Anyone else wondering why the show invented a half baked fire cult and yet made no mention of the children of Atom? If the Brotherhood can teleport across the map why couldn't the children have sent missionaries?
Maybe the Children of Atom are mainly in the East Coast?
They should’ve shown elements of the Children of the Cathedral.
There could’ve been a cultist with family ties to the Cathedral and saw the nuking as an opportunity to push the faith.
It’s been about a century since the destruction of the Unity, so the specifics of the religion has been playing a game of telephone - explaining the “Flame Mother” and ash bits.
The cult didn't need to exist in Vault 4. The NCR people are supposed to be civilized.
That makes literally no sense. "Why does a cult exist here that isn't the exact same cult on the other side of the country?"
@@MrMadreI mean.... not too much a stretch that Children of Atom members snuck cross-country with the BoS 🤷♂️
Since they brought over the East Coast BoS - may as well have brought some other aspects.
They got that nuclear apocalypse they wished for
We won't go quietly, The Brotherhood can count on that
@PrestonSikes Cuck vaultmen laughs as he launches his random ass nukes.
It should "say we won't go quietly Bethesda can count on that"
Not if Bethesda and Amazon have anything to say.
Looks like they went quietly.
@@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheelBethesda didn't write the show nor "hate the ncr" you melon
I hope we see The Hub in particular acting as the current capital of the NCR because it is on route to New Vegas on the Long 15 and the settlement was one of the most important to the republic
Or New Reno, since Mr. Bishop (Chosen One's son) is becoming a major political figure as off 2281.
Honestly given how popular the faction is I can’t see them being gone for good and could for all we know still be strong but just bidding their time until a weakness is found
I hate how the brotherhood is a major faction in literally fucking everything.
They are the United States military runaways, in a post post apocalyptic America. They’re going to be everywhere in the American region (13 states).
Literally the most boring faction.
@@johanbjorkman1914 fr
Yeah the WC BOS isn't supposed to be that huge.
It's the Mary Sue of Bethesda
After New Vegas the NCR was left weakened and humiliated by the independent entity of Vegas (Either House or YesMan), following this the BOS under Elder Maxson would reignite hostilities then to compound this Enclave remants contacted by Vault-Tec corporate IE Hank would nuke Shady Sands, likely using one of the Automated Silos from Appalachia.
probably not. Ending scene showed NV had been nuked. There is a huge crater to the right where the followers outpost & Camp golf is located. The Highway over pass is gone, and the show also showed NV was abandoned.
My guess this is to nullify the events of FN & all factions were eliminated (no more Mr House, NCR, legion, trips. Likely all nuked by vault-tec in its goal to change human to no long conduct war or violence. Vaults 31-32-33 was set up to breed out violence from humans.
@@guytech7310God, that’s a worst case scenario. I hope The Followers of The Apocalypse survived.
I really wish the show had stayed in Colorado. Instead the show erases 100+ years of progress and reduces things to looking like Fallout 4. All because Nolan and the other creators didn't like that things were rebuilt.
I REALLY hope not all of the civilization and progress isn't all gone.
It doesn't erase anything. Those things still happened and had their impact.
@@MrMadre you aren't understanding, Nolan and Bethesda are erasing the West Coast and reducing it to filth and shantytowns. Not to mention the really dumb lore changes and add ons that make no sense.
@@corypowercat7277
No they're not. For one, Bethesda isn't a part of this. Emil is not writing the show. Two, did you not watch the show? It shows a flashback to the NCR that makes them seem way more advanced than we've ever seen them. And after shady sands is destroyed moldaver makes it her mission to find infinite energy and rebuild a pre war world. Something Lucy seems to have a connection to. They're not trying to erase anything. We've only need shady sands, the NCR for all we know still exist everywhere else on the west coast. And I didn't see any dumb lore changes that make no sense.
@@MrMadreYou must have no eyes then, because there’s no ghoul serum until the show, the timeline is contradictory to previous events and the location of Shady Sands is wrong and the whole area the show takes place is supposed to be civilised NCR territory.
@@teyrncousland7152 Then you must have no eyes either as Shady Sands was quite clearly destroyed and the region barren. Why would the NCR have any reason to go there? They have no idea what destroyed their "first capital" so why would they risk returning and trying to civilise the region if they have no reason to? The "ghoul serum" doesn't contradict any previous lore. No the substance isn't shown before, but that doesn't ruin or retcon anything. This substance could've been developed by the NCR OSI, it could've been discovered after new vegas, it could be a pre existing drug like mentats or radaway that helps a ghoul keep better composure of their identity. The shady sands location is the only real issue here as you're quite right, it seems to have moved. But that's not something unique to the franchise. Shady Sands moved locations between Fallout 1 and 2, then further moved again in New Vegas to a place that doesn't make any sense. In New Vegas it's said to be in Death Valley, but it's also said Death Valley is completely uninhabitable because of the heat and radiation.
Crumbled by corruption prob
I think its lame that they say 'we approach stuff locally' but the BoS is telepathic and coast-to-coast. The NCR is just as critical to the tale but i do support the concept that the NCR failed quickly and just crumbled, depleted and overstretched and unpopular and unable to back up their promises to the increasing ranks of sometimes remote yearning masses.
Yeah having
airships that fly over all the danger let's you go where you want
Telepathic? What? You don't think 9 years of having an airship doesn't give you the ability to communicate coast to coast?
@@MrMadreNo and it shouldn’t.
@@teyrncousland7152 why?
The smart play would have been to put the show in Texas, Arizona or Colorado so they could have them shown a post apocalyptic wasteland. Have the house ending be cannon and introduce a weakened but functioning NCR by second hand rumors and comments. The NCR would have had to refocus their efforts internally to fix their problems whether they win or lost at Hoover damn.
Fallout 3 was in 2277. NV was 2281. So this is either a retcon or happened before NV and no news reached the Mojave. It’s a date that really bugs me honestly.
Going purely off what we were shown in the TV show, the NCR is dead. Going off what the games had established there are probably splintered NCR groups. I think the show should have had more of NCR infrastructure to at least indicate that they do still exist or have people talk about them other than Max saying they failed.
Yeah a place like Filly shouldn't exist in NCR land and Moldover's group of NCR should not have looked/acted like that.
Lol forget about the show
“What happened” I ate it.
Okay, New Plague.
oh.
Annexed by the Legion.
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I really wish it wasn’t the Brotherhood. I understand why from a marketing perspective but crossing the entire continent to attempt to take territory just … it just doesn’t sit right with me. But a lot of Fallout lore doesn’t
Bethesda owns the IP now so they'll bulldoze what they want. BUT we aren't allowed to talk about that since it's deemed as toxic.
Watching the Fallout TV show almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Bad writing is what happened.
edit: this comment seems to have started a bunch of discorse, so let me put it like this.
When you wipe out a beloved faction that is rebuilding society, because you want the setting to stay apocalyptic (showrunners words, not mine), and you provide no insight into how or why this happened beyond “this evil guy did it because his wife left him. also thats how vault tec deals with competition!” then that is bad writing.
And for the record, im not some “new vegas fanboy” who is salty that “some bear faction” got destroyed. I don’t think destroying the NCR is necessarily a bad idea, but the show’s execution of said idea was absolute garbage.
Plus Todd hates FNV. I like Fallout lore videos, but sometimes it's good to highlight facts from the real world.
@@zlostnypopolnik You are aware that the “Todd hates and is jealous of New Vegas” is a false and long since debunked rumor spread by basement dwelling neckbeards right? If you are not aware do us all a favor and grow up.
@@zlostnypopolnik Are you aware that the “Todd hates and is jealous of New Vegas” is a false and long since debunked rumor spread by basement dwelling neckbeards who claim to be FO fans while hating Fallout?
@@zlostnypopolnik The whole “Todd Howard hates and is jealous of New Vegas” is a false and long since debunked malicious rumor. How about you use actual arguments and proof to criticize the current state of the Fallout series rather then “bUrtHesda bLad mE sMart”.
@@zlostnypopolnik The whole “Todd Howard hates and is jealous of New Vegas” is a false and long since debunked malicious rumor.
It feels like Bethesda/Todd are trying to destroy so much that was built in titles that weren't FO3 and FO4, almost like they're jealous, LOL.
It'd seem like that if you were delusional
@@MrMadreStop talking to yourself in the mirror.
@@teyrncousland7152 no, no h'es right.
todd comfirmed the nuking happened after new vegas.
Don't worry about the tv show. The canon of fallout ended with FO4, with neither F76 nor the show things we should consider canon.
Why? You're just salty that the lore isn't exactly how you want it
@@MrMadreBecause Bethesda’s lore contradicts previously established lore and ruins the franchise.
@@teyrncousland7152
It doesn't "ruin the franchise" because shady sands got moved (shady sands location has already moved twice before).
I swear to god if they turn the NCR into a new Enclave
In the show it states that Shady Sands fell in 2277, and Todd Howard mentioned that it was shortly after the events of Fallout New Vegas, but the events of Fallout New Vegas took place in 2281. Am I missing something, or is there a mistake somewhere?
Bethesda does not know the timeline that they created, the same goes for the geography of the wasteland
It's going off the logic that the arrow pointing towards the mushroom cloud denotes it happened after 2277.
Which would make sense... if they bothered to put a date under the cloud.
Not enough chalk left, idk 🤷♂️
Same idea with all lore inconsistencies: don't think about it🫢
No one cares about the show it sucks anyways
@@jdools4744It doesn't
@@MrMadre yeah sure Todd
I refuse to acknowledge the TV show
Watch them pull a fast one on us and have the NCR ending be the cannonical choice, Everyone's expecting Mr House to be the victorious faction but imagine they just go, "Yeah, the NCR's fine over here"
They dragged an entire town down from a mountainous area to Downtown L.A. That’s the most funniest thing I’ve seen today.
still the showrunner is at-least competent, un-like most LA writers known today
As a Fallout Fanatic, this video is off. The NCR didn't fall. At all. They were stretched too thin with putting resources into a bunch of different areas ie The Mojave Desert and Baja. After Shady Sands got nuked, they pulled out of North Cali, and possibly South Cali, to aim their resources and military onto other sights. The NCR in the show was only a rogue faction. Those are all facts as of right now. My opinion tho is that they lost the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam, probably a House ending, and that's a BIG part of why they weren't able to rebuld Shady Sands. They took two huge L's and had to focus elsewhere
I think it would be yes man because the strip is destroyed. Destroyed securitrons and deathclaws skeletons
@@lazy_guy_2525 We can all agree that it's not a Legion ending (even tho that's the one I would like for the wasteland) but it could be Yes Man. I don't think the strip is actually destroyed, I think it was just the impression of how far away everything actually looked compared to in game distance. The Courier most def either went with Mr.Housr or Yes Man but I'm leaning more Mr.House since he saved him etc. But Bethesda could be lazy and just say, "Some Courier came in and killed Mr.House, massacred the Legion in their own fort, and pushed back the NCR. And then just vanished." Type lazy shiii
@@lazy_guy_2525 Or Mr. House. Anyway with House and Yes-Man endings General Oliver threatens to attack the Strip. Looks like the NCR did just that going by how we see a smashed wall and crashed NCR vertibirds on the Strip.
Lol
@@jdools4744 lol
The Show isn’t canon just like the Star Wars sequels aren’t canon due to the mismanagement of the IPs by the companies. Star Wars Legends and fallout mods are far more canon than what the corporations produce. So as far as I’m concerned the NCR won in NV expanding into legion territory and Luke Skywalker is still alive establishing a thriving new Jedi order.
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I was thinking that an splinter army branca of the ncr that acts like Conrad in spec ops the line would be cool.
And keeping in mind that the ncr has broken hasta its logic to have different proto-Ncrs....
Like after the colapse of the soviet union, roman empire or spanish empire From one you end having many, sometimes wich face themselves, others try to withstand, and others just dissappear under the expansion of a 3rd party.
The show took them quietly off screen with some lip service/clips to drip feed the fans. Remember that oldmen vaultmen was the killing blow to this faction that should be all over the wasteland, the show just wanted to write them off to continue with it's stupid shit. Peak fallout I'm I right?
No, you're not
No it shouldn't be "all over the wasteland". They were already extremely overextended in the Mojave with shortages of food, water and medicine predicted in the next 5 years.
@@sunny_froyo Bend over bend over let Moldaver come over...
I think it’s like alexanders empire after he died fractured into warlords who are left overs of the massive army they once had fighting eacthothers and trying to regain the former glory it once had and I personally like that as the NCR was an empire and empires crumble and I’m curious what empire will fill in the power vacuum is it the BOS? Will it be a faction from the Mojave the legion remnants? Who knows
(Sorry for yapping)
none. the immortal golden empire of the brotherhood of steel will reach the stars under the divine armor and mandate given by their godd, loward of the glow. from here until fallout 75, every fallout game shall have a brotherhood member as the cover.
I hope we get to see an actual NCR Remnant in Season 2
the only reason the NCR is in the state it is on the TV show is Bethesda is still butt hurt that New Vegas is the more popular game with diehard fans. Or so goes one theory I've heard. But we'll see how they treat House in season 2. If they rip new vegas and house apart in the show I may lend credit to that theory if they don't then I'll dismiss it.
Nah, people are just delusional and want to imagine Bethesda and Todd are some kinda super villains. The truth is the destruction of the NCR and moral regression of the BoS are new ways for the writers to explore the universe. Things changing doesn't mean they're bad.
@@MrMadreNo you are a sellout and the lore is supposed to be consistent, not change. They’re not exploring anything, they simply exploit the IP for a new cashgrab.
They got nuked apparently T_T
They got the nuclear winter they wanted
Anyone else wondering why the bos dosnt have any laser weapons ?
Biggest guess being the budget
Not destroyed but weakened.
With no mention of the legion its safe to say they lost ❤
If you use a mod to let you play after the final credits and side with Caesar. During the game sometimes undercover NCR Ranger's will find and attack you. They just where normal civilian clothes and are usually alone.
I also want to know what happened to the Followers? That show took place in the Boneyard so where were they? Also where was the settled part of the region where Edward Sallow and Razz are from?
Fallout Dust is canon
The show feels incredibly awkward. The attention to detail with Props is astounding. Clearly everyone involved loved what they did, but at the same time the narrative choices for the story feels exactly like DeviantArt Fan Fiction.
Cool vid bro.😺
I'm not surprised by what people typed in the comments.
Neither
yea, same. Bethesda definitely has a history of fuckups (fallout 76, ect), but leave it to the fallout community to blow THAT out of the water in favour of making conspiracy theories.
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The OCR copy right claimed them into oblivion.
The nuking of Shady Sands just reinforced a belief that I held when I was first playing Fallout 4: Bethesda either won't, or can't, write post-post-apocalypse.
We all know that Bethesda has a serious problem with writing, they can do small character stories but when it comes to the world's story they frequently drop the ball. They're just not good at it.
On the other hand the entire brand of fallout is post apocalypse and they can't risk anything messing with that brand. So you get situations where people have been living in the ruins of Boston for two centuries and not moved out of the stadium and the ones that have moved out just live in tiny camps.
It's absurd to think a people would let themselves stay bottled up forever when they're on the same level technologically.
I think they decided to nuke NCR for 2 reasons
1: to remake it as they want
2: it's easier to write a post nuke Shady Sands than a post war shady sands in gradual decline towards a slow end of its own making
emil is just a poor writer at bethesda, man copied and pasted fo3 main story for fo4, but switched who's searching for who, everything else alas gut
I think they are still around and that part of the ncr had just been beaten a lot (maybe by the legion too)
The show is not even close to being cannon
It's confirmed by Bethesda that it is canon.
Womp womp
I was gonna type something but you arent even worth arguing with lol, go drink your soy
@@hermos3602 Already existing lore contradicts the show. The Master by himself makes the show unable to happen.
@@commanderAnakinNo, you're not supposed to think about it... else you're a hater and a purist 😂
Some mediocre show and bad writing. If the NCR was going to fall, it should’ve been because of its own corruption and ineptitude. Not The Enclave/Vault-Tec nuking it.
*Enclave nuking it
@@InquisitorXarius Sorry my bad. Been a while since I’ve seen the show.
The NCR didn't fall
@@FlakoDaDon-Dada I said if.
@@crusader2112 Thank you for clarifying. I skimmed thru your comment and missed that. I apologize
According to the garbage show they get nuked and lose to the Brotherhood.
"Somehow the Brotherhood got powerful again." Some NCR Ranger before they got nuked according to Tom Howard
I wouldn’t call the BOS of Fallout 4 a “Somehow Palpatine returned” moment but hey I don’t expect sincerity from Interplay worshipping neckbeards.
Brotha did you finish the show? The brotherhood didn't nuke them, Hank did
According to the show only Shady Sands, the first capital, gets nuked. According to the show only a rogue faction of the NCR lost to one chapter of the Brotherhood.
@@InquisitorXarius I wouldn't call Fallout 4 a Fallout game but you do you consoomer.
Drink more of that sludge, get on your knees and worship that Howard lore.
@@therealquackingtonOf course they didn't watch the show. People who call the show garbage either didn't watch it, only saw a review on it, or already hate Bethesda that they're not willing to give it a chance (Even though nobody in Bethesda wrote the show).
Sure as fuck aint what that half baked show showed
The NCR is fine the show isnt canon
yes it is, you can cope as much as you want, but it is canon
Hows that Ostrich hole your living in?
@inzyniertv9305 hows that cave your living in?
100%. Fuck this ridiculous nonsense. THIS IS NOT FALLOUT.
@@CynicalPlatapus You guys don't understand FO fans. To us, the show is just Todd's poorly made fan project.
Wow.. This video kinda makes me not want to watch this show... The games are dramatically better..
Too woke to make a good series and to make to good ending canon (Caesar take New Vegas)
Wish they made this show 10 years ago without all the propaganda
Mr House winning is best🙏🙏
How about not making an ending, leave it to the players interpretation and don’t touch the West Coast
Mr. House on top
How is it woke?
I think ncr just went to baja sience brahmin baron really like that region
Meanwhile who is new president of ncr?
It can't be kimball because i am damn sure he is dead
Or not get voted for new president
(You know what screw it tv show is alternate of fallout universe)
Yeah i dont see the show as cannon and no one can change my mind about that
2 reasons why the NCR was destroyed in the show:
1) The NCR was created by Black Isle, and Obsidian and Bethesda don't like that they're preferred over their own factions
2) Bethesda LOVES their big guys in big armor, and so the Brotherhood has to be the major faction in anything they make
There's also an argument to be made that the big armored guys pull a larger general audience than the regular soldier looking dudes
I can't believe people are this dumb to think that Bethesda cares that people like new vegas. You're getting mad over nothing, they don't hate new vegas, they don't hate obsidian, you're just delusional
"1) The NCR was created by Black Isle, and Obsidian and Bethesda don't like that they're preferred over their own factions
2) Bethesda LOVES their big guys in big armor, and so the Brotherhood has to be the major faction in anything they make"
wasn't the Brotherhood created by black isle?
@jonahulichny9874 Yeah, in hindsight, bringing up that the NCR is a Black Isle creation is a moot point due to that. However, my point about Bethesda simping for the Brotherhood and how they have an unspoken disdain for Obsidian still stands.
They adopted the Brotherhood as their own baby, probably because of how fantastical they are. But the NCR can't be the major faction of their show because the NCR was the faction of New Vegas, and that game wasn't theirs. They're going there for season 2, yeah. They're only taking advantage of how beloved that game is while also shitting on it. I love the show, but it shouldn't have taken place in California
Cope harder. The show is cannon. Deal with it losers 😂
I'm surprised you are tolerant of the lore changes. Primarily the changes with shady and the nuclear strike in 2277 which I believe is the correct information, I don't trust Todd on this change and seems as a defence from criticism because of Bethesda's treatment of Fonv.
They really didn't do a good job on the lore of the show they nailed elements of the costumes and environment minus the geography but other than that the show was just depressing as a longtime fan.
The chalkboard was just dumb there is no way they nuked it before New Vegas, I assume a bad miscommunication. Moving shady sands to LA then nuking it was such a weird move, if they didn’t want the NCR presence why have it in California.
That doesn't make any sense. You're complaining that you don't trust Todd so you're just saying they destroyed Shady Sands in 2277. But they didn't. It was destroyed in ~2281. Todd said this, it's weird to just deny what the head of Bethesda says about their IP because you don't trust them then say their lore is wrong.
@@MrMadre
If you take them at their word it's conflicted at best, you have 2277 on the board saying the decline and then immediately an arrow pointing to a nuclear strike. You can take this as it declined for 5 years prior and then they got nuked and didn't bother to record the date when the nuke happened. Then the show shows that dates stopped being recorded around 2276-7 in their library or they realised there is going to be a fan backlash to them wreaking the lore. I think they were just trying to get ahead of the kerb.
Oh, you consider that awful show to be "canon"? Makes all your points irrelevant. Have a nice day.
why did you come here? I reckon you pause the vid, and wrote this hot take.
Fuck the lame ass tv show writing
The NCR lives
The show suck and shouldn't be considered canon
why did you come here? I reckon you pause the vid, and wrote this hot take.
I hate the Fallout TV show it ruined so much stuff