Could you argue the Enclave are good guys in FO3? - Rethinking Fallout 3
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Let's play devil's advocate for the Enclave. In Fallout 3 are they the government the wasteland needs?
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They should have been a faction in fallout 4.
as a pre war solder you are the perfect recruit
Ikr fuck the commonwealth!
thats fucking beautiful all that killing of those NASTY MUTIES
fuck the Commonwealth
unless your piper nick Decon or danse
BUT FUCK pipers Lil sister she a bitch
The enclave are remnants of the US government... The brotherhood are the remnants of the US military.
The enclave are the remnants of the US government and top military leaders. The Brotherhood are the remnants of the US military forces that were in charge of the Mariposa military base, they seceeded from the United States when they discovered the FEV experiments going on at said base shortly before the bombs dropped.
I liked the way New Vegas had a more sympathetic portrayal of the Enclave, or at least of their members.
I dislike fallout 3 as we were not able to join the enclave.
+Orlando Shooter I know right :-(
if you recruit the enclave doctor in the refugee camp his sidequest is to find all of the old guard enclave and recruit them.
alot of old guys and gals who are taking a pause on the power armoring and just laying low.
they provide alot of firepower and a pilot if you need it.
+Ewan Di Bartolomeo do you Arcade? you can get the quest line from him.
Fallout 3 was poorly written
I thank you, my Patriot, for defending the honor of The Enclave.
Yes my president
*AD VICTORIAM*
The NCR is NOT the successor to the US , the Enclave is !
One Enclave
One America
NOW AND FOREVER
Kill enclave
The NV frontier mod taught me that the enclave were right the whole time
Same
What exactly happened during the Frontier mod? Does anyone know? I never wanted to play it.
@@dr.strangelove9815 something about fetishes or sex slaves, Idk, never played it
Frontier was never that great
Sneeded
I wish you could have joined the Enclave in Fallout 3.
+Lord Vader IDK if the enclave would realistically want you
+Lord Vader You WOULD say that.
+Lord Vader I hope that you can join the institute in Fallout 4.
+Carl Klaeska hopefully you can. they dont seem like bad guys TOO much. the BoS seems to be more bad, but i guess thats just the way it goes. there isnt ever good and evil, just too sides to a story
That's what I tried to do the first couple of times I played fallout 3
Who else thinks that the enclave needs to be a playable faction in the next fallout
Yes it should
Me !
Actualy, a big portion of the Navarro Enclave fled to the Chicago Wasteland, so, maybe there is hope that we will se the Enclave again sometime.
but... the NCR killed them off.
Let's say we can play as the Remnants so we can REBUILD THE AMERICAN DREAM!
Ah, but have you stopped to consider the southeast and the midwest, we have no idea what could be here.
I kind of wish that the Soul Survivor could of brought back the Enclave. I mean, he's a prewar person, the Enclave would've loved him.
poiuytrewq11422 no he has been in the wasts without protections. He is just as much a mutie as a ghoul
Johnny Green Face lol no
If it wasn't for the Institute and the destruction of the Enclave on the East coast, I am pretty sure the Enclave would've used him and his fellow vault dwellers just as well.
The Enclave pretty much controlled the vaults, the overseers were instructed to obey their orders, so why wouldn't they take the Sole Survivor if they could?
The only reason you can't join them in FO2 is because you are a tribal, not a vault dweller, and the reason that you can't join them in FO3 is Bethesda's shit writing.
Besides, the Enclave also make use of other humanoids like Mutants and even other species, such as Deathclaws, so how exactly is it that hard to make an exception for the main character?
Gor Gor,
Well, the Enclave would kidnap people from vaults and experiment on them. Remember that these are "pure" humans as well. They only cared about themselves and that was it.
poiuytrewq11422 2 words “America Rising”
I would have helped the Enclave in Fallout 3 if I could have.
Same
same
Same
Rebuilding America's future, Today!
you can buy poisoning the watee supply and nuking the ciradel
Seeing the Brotherhood of Steel in FO4, makes me wish we could join the Enclave.
+Louis DellaLucca There's a mod that converts the Institute and the minutemen into the Enclave on the Fallout 4 Nexus.
Unfortunately I don't have a pc that can run FO4.
FO4 is shit
Why? They're no different to all the other games with Brotherhood of Steel in them. Fallout 3 Brotherhood just hid their bad side because you played from their perspective. If you look a little harder the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 3 is the same as Fallout 4 except they care a little less about preserving technology but you have the Outcasts for that.
says the guy with the nazi eagle XD
FINALLY! Someone that actcuallly made sence of what I was planning! Thank you!
+Augustus Autumn Haven't seen you in a while.
Fuck off Autumn
Fuck off Autumn
+Augustus Autumn Hail to the Chief! Colonel Autumn was to be the savior of the nation... maybe even humanity.
Goddamn Brotherhood!!!
+thegamewarfareproject
You FUCK OFF, you sisterhood sympathizing piece of excrement!
+Augustus Autumn
Reporting for duty, Colonel sir.
I wanna be able to play as the Enclave in either a future Fallout 4 DLC or a future Fallout game. They are just so cool.
enclave is wiped, they are over
Man... They did get seriously fucked didn't they? I mean, their alaskan hold was destroyed and so was their Washington... I think the NCR also attacked them in California or something like that too.
+John Fered actually not! They are still there as remnants or in little groups
Yeah
+Lord HiggleBottum Yup not to mention the oil rig.
Good or evil, the Enclave had the best, and really only practical solution to the problems of the wasteland.
Idk. NCR imo was the best. They'd been successful thus far, ending all raiding in California.
Lucas Sanchez I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The NCR’s strategy is simply to expand and acquire more valuable territory. They haven’t focused enough on improving the territory they conquer as raiders still run rampant inside supposedly NCR controlled territory.
The NCR could improve of course and focus more inwardly, but with even then they are stretched far & thin and thus don’t have secure borders or very good control.
@@bobbyferg9173 Agreed. Under Kimball, they've grown too expansive. It's been said that raiders run rampant in occupied Mojave, but I believe it's been said (I just forgot who [they weren't NCR]) that California was indeed safe. Hopefully the war of attrition with the legion will teach them to calm the fuck down.
Ava true to ceasar
The minutemen seem to be doing well if you side with them. The commonwealth is not a very populated place though.
The only thing good about the Enclave is those President Eden radio broadcasts.
"I remember my old dog, Honey. Ohhhh hoooooo hooooo. The adventures we had."
Or my favorite "Imagine, a perfect, cloudless day. The sun is warm and welcoming. And on the horizon, they appear, like knights of yore, armed with bats of ash and hickory. Their name? The Capital Congressmen. Their purpose? To make you, dear America, revel in the joys of sport and sunshine, if only for an afternoon."
Especially since he's voiced by Malcom Mcdowell. xD
this, if you just wanted to sit around a feel patriotic at times, although Three Dog is always better
+SirJamesDTech The radio?!?!? You mean that endless piccolo?
Angel of Death 69"War, terror, they're all around us! I know...I _know_."
I think Mr house is actually the better candidate than the enclave.
Not only does he have the drive that made the prewar world boom with tech, but he also doesn't seem to want to be a tyrant like the enclave, sure he's in charge but he'll leave you alone.
He doesn't seem to be pro genocide either, a sane man would realise that the super mutants are useful (look and the mining in broken hills in fallout 2), that working together voluntarily for mutual gain is the only system that can work; let's not forget the big governments of the old world (systems based upon force) had a nuclear war, Mr House however tried desperately to save the old world, he was a creator not a destroyer.
He is the best candidate.
***** Mr House and Yes man are the only Good endings imho, NCR is neutral (at best) and the legion is evil (and dumb)
+TheAlexagius I'd agree with this but Yes Man isn't a good ending as he plans to eventually kill you lol.
TalesOfAGentlemens Hat well just use your science skill to get rid of him
+TheAlexagius I always feel so bad for having to kill Mr. House for certain quests. So much work, decades of planning and waiting, only for some guy with a golf club to push a button and ruin it all because he thinks the other guys have a better solution. Probably one of the hardest moral choices to make in a Fallout game. Certainly much heavier than putting FEV in a fucking purifier.
If the enclave were a faction ill join in a heartbeat
You can't join the enclave, you're born into it. People from outside the wasteland are seen as genetically tainted and must be exterminated. If you sign up you're just gonna get a bullet to the brain.
@@Lancaster604 Frank horigan disagrees
Always welcome as long your not a communist
@@nuggie5522 Frank horigan was born into the enclave and exposed to FEV while excavating mariposa, the guy was a living test subject
That's like wanting to play a Nazi in Wolfenstein.
The enclave should make contact with the institute, what the institute lacks in military and governance the enclave could provide
Black Phillip And in turn, the Institute could use their tech to further bolster the enclaves and then we could roll right into Halo with a new origins story and have Bethesda do it all.
I'll be honest, I don't think the Enclave would like the Institute.
"MAKING FAKE PEOPLE IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY! THESE THINGS ARE NOT PURE HUMANS! IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO 'MERICA!"
I think for the military part, the institute can just crap out a lot of bots. Seriously though, they can do that.
Well thanks to bethesda (again) the institute arent focused on making humanity better, they just like synths a whole hell of alot....
Don't think you could argue in favor of Caesars Legion. Sallow is pretty open and clear about what his motivations and plans are.
+Valter Östberg Challenge accepted.
+Valter Östberg I could if not for the sexism and rejection of technology... but I hope he tries anyway.
+Valter Östberg Well the trade roads were much safer in east so there's that. Insta good guy right? : )
+Valter Östberg Why not? It's a harsh and brutish way to rebuild society but still a valid one. By deconstructing and annexing enemy tribes he clears any opposition while boosting his own army and make his own territory alot more safer; by forced mating he destroy old cultures and beliefs and creates a unique new "race" with its own culture, drastically reducing motives for prejudice and ostracism and internal conflict; by slaving the weak he create a constant and solid worker base while also permits that the more fitting people to rank up as some kind of driven reason to go on, a carrot on a stick but still... and as a monarch who values intelligence and strategic thought he has a lot less reason to fear schemes and opposition than in an old republic full of corrupted politicians hungry for power. Brutish but efficient.
The one major flaw in his plan is that, as Marcus pointed out, they follow him, not his ideals, so it's doomed once he's gone.
What you don't see in NV is the many towns that willingly sign up to become members of Caesar's Legion because unlike the Enclave they actually promise protection. Many towns east of the Colorado enjoy the safety in numbers the Legion provides, caravan merchants manage to deliver their cargo safely and some appreciate the unity and equality that can be found in the Legion.
I really wish Fallout games would put you in the shoes of Enclave, or that you could really jump in their ranks and not just scrape them little
Try Fallout New California for NV it allows you to side with them
@@nenadtomanovic1297 It's not cannon tho
@@ricefarmer8553 that doesn't mean you can't make it canon in your mind
@@nenadtomanovic1297 Its not good tho
@@user-rv4wn5qk7q not as bad as the frontier tho
Seeing what happens at the frontier...yes, yes they were the good guys
God bless the sneedclave
Enclave WERE the good guys.
Radioactive crab monsters, zombies, and super mutants are bad. The Enclave wanted those things to go away.
But no, we had to bring forth the Coldwar propaganda-spewing pile of badass called Liberty Prime and blow the everloving fuck up out of them.
***** For all we knew, they were right. If siding with the Brotherhood means Moira Brown lives, then the Enclave are most certainly the good guys. She was the living embodiment of evil wrapped in an impenetrable plot-armored mustache.
+Nathan Baker Not even the Megaton nuke could kill that annoying vermin.
Supermutant Lives Matter, down with the humies!
***** That's the old Enclave and Eden. Col. Autumn, while still against ghouls, didn't want to kill off the wastelanders. This could make it possible the Enclave is not as bad as it once was.
***** I'm saying the possibly aren't as bad as they once were, meaning there still is negative things about them imo. I do appreciate you realize morals are per person though, puts you several steps ahead of most people.
not the government they wanted but the one they needed
Always depending on perspective.
+theliveing batman quote -_-
+theliveing now that I read it second time, that is not a batman quote :S how do I delete a comment
3rKo it's a Dark Knight reference
+3rKo There's a button to the right of the comment. You can edit them too!
Finally, someone to silence the mindless Brotherhood fanboys, I salute you good sir!
+Red Floyd *colonel, while you seem like a regular human; you my friend are obviously a mutie. That is why President Eden wanted the Lone wanderer i poison project purity, to get rid of mutants like yourself. ;)
+Mad Maxson No member of the Brotherhood of Steel is ever innocent, they are all guilty by association.
***** Wut, aren't we on the same side?
***** No, the Enclave have always been pure of heart and know what the wasteland really needs, the Brotherhood of Shit have always been greedy bastards that originated betraying their own government in a time of need.
***** You're simply delusional, Vault 13 had no contact with the Enclave prior to that point so their loyalty had yet to be proven. You should really do your homework instead of just watching all ShodyCast videos and going entirely off of that. Now be off and go kill some synths and steal some toasters with the rest of the Bitches of Shit.
Wait they weren't the good guys?
The good guys are the Brotherhood of Steel.
No they aren't. You're uninformed if you think otherwise.
it was Eden who wanted to wipe out the non-humans with the FEV, you know the crazy AI that is the president of the Enclave
+KaBar41 did you listen to the guy in the video??? he said colonel autumn wanted to gain people's trust by giving them clean water so they could settle down and establish government after the people were comfortable.....or we can continue having anarchy that's fine too.
Enclave are the good guys.
#HailEnclave
#OnlyForX-01
+Procrastinator Dan Don't let the president here you say that, or you'll be making cattle runs to New Reno til the end of time pal.
+Apollo 4114 Negative
#for armor and vertibirds AND MURICA cuz you know they the original goverment
+Jackson Hayes yup, and not the scout vertibirds the Gunships
I always wanted to join the enclave in fallout 3
the enclave will make america great again
+alphacino
America has been no "greater" or "lesser" than any other country.
+purplexenno except Dixieland
+purplexenno Fuck you
Bryan Castellano
Sorry, your not my type hairy, knuckle dragging, and ugly enough to knock a buzzard off a shit wagon at 500 yards!
+purplexenno Pretty sure America is greater than oh Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and various other nations where people commonly disappear or are shot for little to no reason (and even when there is a reason it's a pretty bad one).
Sure America isn't the best country. But it is, and for now will continue to be, a hell of a lot greater than many other countries on this plant.
And just before you attack me with the typical accusations of "Racist!" "Sexists" "Someist" your kind use I will just say this. I am not an American, from quite a different part of the world actually.
Enclave were defintiely shitheads but their plan for long-term humanity was definitely the best. I would definitely love to see an encounter between them and the Institute though.
fun fact the enclave was funded by poseidon energies wich funded the CIT wich is the university from where the institute came so they are basically brothers
@@santiagogallego8695the Enclave is (was 😢) the governament of the pre-war, pulling strings from the shadows, while public appearances were made by politicians to give speaches, THEY founded poseidon oil.
What if the Enclave are the good guys?
Fallout New Vegas The Frontier: *NO*
yea but the frontier also allows enslavement of a not fully developed female for... bad reasons
This is why I hope for a future Fallout 4 DLC where you can effectively reform the Enclave as your own thing. I mean after all the Sole Survivor IS the last surviving member of the actual American Military, thus meaning that any faction that considers itself to be the last remains of such would be compelled to recognize him as an authority. Hell given how succession works I believe the Sole Survivor is technically the acting President until such time as the government is restored and a new election can be held.
Oh my hell this is the best comment I've read EVER! Do doo do doo doo doo doo All hail Tyler Gardner your new president now pay your taxes so I can hunt deathclaws!
Enclave is awesome, despite Fallout 3's writing shortcomings.... I really hope they make a return in the future, perhaps they are hiding, like the BoS in New Vegas? I doubt after their recent defeats at East Coast and Capital Wasteland they have the necessary manpower for a third attempt in controlling the world..
+AitoSuomiVideos that would be great
He was supposedly a war hero so.....
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+ShoddyCast the enclave could of been the good guys in my book, then they completely murdered a entire vault, which in their standards a vault is full of "pure blood Americans" not filthy wastelanders
+ShoddyCast The government is not required to have roads
What if caesar's legion are good for women.
I think the enclave is mistunderstood sure they killed some people but they were either raiders or people who tried to kill some enclave soldiers and they were trying to keep everythingbin order
+Dylan Resendiz They consider all wastelanders mutants, if you aren't born of the Enclave, you are a mutant. They would have killed literally everyone in the US and beyond to replace them with their inbred lineage.
Well, the intentions of the enclave were rebuilding America to its former glory: Eden wanted to wipe out mutants of all kinds in order to bring the States back to the past (there were no mutants then), while Autumn wanted to use it to...well, go watch the video above...
Yes. Yes we were
God bless the enclave god bless the kitty
I wanted to join the enclave in both Fallout 3 and 2, but you couldn't...
same:(
john2ny7 Maybe you cant join them because they want to kill you, dumbass
Pixelpro at least the Fallout 2 Enclave gave you a good reason to dislike them and a reason to fight them
conner king they are responsible for your fathers death, kidnap you, and try to kill everyone that isnt a member of the enclave or a vault dweller (Unless you got mutated in moiras quest. Then they want you dead).
But no, there isnt any reason to dislike them
Pixelpro Did you even play the game? Autumn asked James to work with them so they could get it working quicker and then he selfishly risked killing everyone in the wasteland not to mention their trying to kill you because you’re working with the enemy you dumbass and I don’t see how kidnapping you was a bad thing they cured you of your radiation and knew that you knew the code to activate it so they could stop it blowing thanks to your stupid ass dad plus would you rather have walked all the way back to the beginning?
They should bring the enclave back in a DLC
The Dislikes Are From Brotherhood Of Steel Members
Finally, someone who gets it.
Damn Brotherhood clowns
i disagree, the Enclave showed no sign of establishing order in the capital wasteland. And if you look at their track record, it doesn't seem like they're interested in helping anyone but themselves. I also don't agree that the world of Fallout is a representation of Hobb's state of nature, considering how almost everyone you meet is already under a "social contract". From towns people, to bandits, and even super mutants; everyone's already living and working in group's. Because humans and (I guess) Intelligent mutants are social animals and are naturally compelled to work together.
plus the idea that the president was the only one who wanted to genocide anyone who wasn't a pure human is a bit of a stretch. did develope that highly specialized biological weapon by himself?
+ajrk95 he's not the only one who wants to purge
there are encounters around the wasteland where you will find a trap set up for wastelanders
there's a truck trailer with water at the end, wastelanders are offered free water if they pass a test of genetic purity
of course nobody passes the test and the trailer is full of wastelanders who were burned alive by an enclave trooper armed with an incinerator
+ajrk95 Well Anarchy is always doomed to fail as civilization {Which can only be created through working together} Has to be achieved to reach the next stage of progress.
So I figure that It would only take a few decades for Anarchy to be slowly stamped out and for people to join together and such.
Which is why the entire argument for Anarchy is quite stupid at best, Anarchy is not superior to the creation of order and society it is infact a lower form of civilization if you will it is the inferior form of civilization which in turn makes it a regressive standpoint, especially if someone is as stupid as to imagine that it is preferable to creating small civilizations and in time creating grand civilizations.
So all in all the enclave would be preferable to the reign of anarchy, But it'd hardly be the best choice.
+Unchained Irony this is what pisses me off about pop-culture's shallow, twisted brow of complex government philosophy. Anarchy isn't a lawless state where it's every man for themselves, you should read up on it. Though I do think it's over idealistic and not likely to be to put into practice, anytime soon.
+Callum Innes what are you, an editor?
Allowing the enclave to come into power isn't making things better or more safe. It's trading one type of misery for another. Sacrificing freedom for safety. Destroying what makes life worth living in exchange for living. I'd rather deal with raiders than deal with the enclave. They don't have power armor.
lol the "they dont have power armor"
makes alot of scence
+Rook and how exactly are you sacrificing freedom for safety if you go with the enclave?
+IamJigle You'll have to follow the rules that the enclave set you
+Rook but they do have power armor...
JerkandDork and do you already know these rules or what?
Lets take this thought one step further. In the way back when, naval captains had ultimate authority over their ships and crew because communication with the government wasn't possible. Now those captains still followed the rules of the ruling country but it was up to them to interpreter those rules how they saw fit. Could it be that The Enclave we have encountered so far are just like those old sea captains following the rules of their governing body the way they see fit and that we havent actually met the true leaders of the Enclave yet?
Go play Fallout 2, in which you actually get to meet the president of the Enclave, as well as the rest of their civilian population. And you will quickly find out that people like Eden were in the mainstream.
"...and then there's the Brotherhood oF STEEL!"
Pretty sure I'm with Hobbes. And on point about the main subject of the video I must say I have now come to a conclusion the Enclave were the 'good guys' so to speak.
Yes they do thing which are not acceptable in our world, but they aren't in our world. They are in a hellish wasteland where, let's face it, you have to be a bit of an asshole at times to survive. And under Autumn, not Eden, they had a vision to rebuild the country. The Brotherhood on the other hand had no vision to rebuild the country nor any desire to, hoarding technology only for their own gain.
It depends on how much the East coast Enclave differed from West coast in Fallout 2.
Fallout 2 Enclave seeked to purge the continent to "purify the gene pool".
Mochachocakon
Very true. Though under Autumn that doesn't appear (keep word) to be the goal, and it's the Enclave under the Autumn that'd I'd say were the "good guys" so to speak.
Fallout 2 Enclave however are definetly not the good guys. At all.
a bad government is better than no government
Grumpydrawer Yeah Rousseau sounds like a childish fool. "I can't do whatever I want! So government and social contracts must be bad!"
If you paid attention, you'd realize that the goal of the Brotherhood is not quite the same as it once was. While they did originally keep technology away from the wrong people (aka everyone else), they became more fanatical about it over time, to the point where they're nothing more than power-armored raiders who would kill people for pipboys and such.
The East Brotherhood has the advantage of being the only major organized faction, but in the West, where the NCR and other factions have grown, the Brotherhood proves to be ineffective and a dead end.
I hope we can join the Institute in FO4. I'm actually going to be disappointed in we can't... I just want to be the actual bad guy.
I've tried being the bad guy in FNV, joined the BOS and following through with their job - fuck the NCR.
+Jack Savage BOS were the bad guys?
+Jack Savage yeah the NCR are neutral at best, Mr house and independence are the "good", don't forget the NCR is pretty dickish, it's no longer tandis NCR
I heard somewhere that we can't join them but we can help them. Dunno if this is true or not, don't take my word for it. If your wondering where I heard this from it's from the game leaks.
No words Only dreams. More choice is always better, tbh that's one of the things i prefered about new vegas
i wish i could join the Enclave in fallout 3 but i will stick with minuteman
another settlement needs your help
Preston. we have an official agreement stating that were allied....is that you? or is that another Preston Garvey...seriously there's like a bajillion Preston Garvey's on here.
yea if you join us no more asking to help settlements
+Colonel Augustus Autumn I might have to switch sides
Minutemen will be obliterated when the Enclave enters Boston again.
i always tought that the enclave were the good guys actually...
It seems like the BoS has turned into the new enclave in the new trailer
...well shit, the enemy isnt alwase the one everyone points
+Raptor King From the recent trailer? As far as we know that's probably another contingent broken off from the others.
In the new trAiler we see the protaganist fighting alongside the brotherhood.
+Raptor King I'm pretty sure you can choose what faction to side with like in NV, the trailer was just showing off that you can fight against them this time if you want.
+Raptor King It looks like to me if you choose to side with the Institute then Brotherhood of Steel becomes your enemy.
Not gonna lie. I thought the brotherhood were selfish by keeping high tech for themselves and not letting wastelanders use them and being rude to me when i come across Brotherhood patrols. In a way i wish i could join the Enclave.
You know what, before watching this video I put 60+ hours into Fallout 3 and I also thought of Thomas Hobbes for some reason whilst reading about the Enclave. I have always denied the whole concept of "good guys vs. bad guys" in games, film and media in general, and the Fallout series is definitely one where I believe there is no good or bad faction, especially in the post-apocalyptic world where everyone is devoid of moral codes and concern for their fellow man. If anything, the Enclave, being a remnant of the United States military-industrial complex, want to restore peace and order to a society plagued by anarchy and tribalism. Sure, their approach isn't the most ethical, but at least they are trying to rebuild an actual civilization instead of leaving us to slaughter one another in wastelands using creative weapons.
I know this is an old video, but after Fallout 4's been out, what ended up happening to the Brotherhood of Steel over the course of a decade helps to put all of this into perspective.
Honestly, I think it could be argued that with Eden out of the way, the Enclave under Augustus Autumn would be no worse than the Brotherhood of Steel under Own Lyons. Not necessarily 'good', but the best option available.
Keep in mind that while Lyons wants to help the people of the Capital Wasteland, it's purely for pragmatic purposes (effectively the same thing that Autumn hoped to achieve by capturing and activating Project Purity), and as bad as the Enclave is shown to be on-screen, the Brotherhood is mentioned to be almost as discriminatory against non-humans (including having a shoot-on-sight policy against ghouls - even non-feral ones - and super mutants, though in the latter case it's not unwarranted). In the ten years since Fallout 3, by the time Fallout 4 comes around, the Brotherhood is known to have basically turned the Capital Wasteland into a bunch of feudal vassals, and has become even more openly genocidal than the Enclave in Fallout 3 (as the Enclave didn't seem to care about synths, though this can be justified as synths only having a minor role as part of a sidequest in Fallout 3) - the only good comment that anyone ever says about the Capital Wasteland is that you can actually drink the water there.
In a sort of Nietzscheian irony, the East Coast Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel has effectively become worse than the very people they fight against in their desperate quest to prevent the mistakes of the past from being repeated.
23r0 Gaming The Enclave would probably embrace the synthetic technology for their own benefit if they could. Imagine how much that technology could benefit their soldiers?
They removed the Lyons as the leaders of the group and the little psycho kid was allowed to rise to power so...
I wish I could side with the Enclave without mods. :(
Deep down, we all want to be bad boys.
+Science FictioNation Are there any good mods that allow that?
There's one I can think of in Fallout 3 that is mediocre at best and a decent one in New Vegas.
fallout 4 dlc
Fallout 4 DLC set in Chicago with the Enclave vs Midwestern BoS, this time we can actually side with the Enclave
Sucks ass you can never side with Enclave..
They shot me in the ass man,my ass why?WE JUST AVENGE MY ASS
Thought-provoking video. I think similar arguments could be made in favor of the Pitt Raiders, Caesar's Legion and the Institute. It's all about order, but at the point of a sword.
Just as our free (mostly) societies in the present day Western world were originally forged in violence, I think the Fallout Wasteland would probably have to follow a similar path of enduring the battle between order and freedom on its way to rebuilding civilization.
Ulimately all order is at the point of a sword.
Now, some governments are far more willing to use it than others, but at the end of the day, you do as you are told or die. That is why sometimes minor incidents with police have fatal conclusions because the police resorted to lethal violence in order to defend their will.
Now, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. The thing you are being told to do might be as simple as "don't rape and murder" and everything else is just fine and dandy. Then you have laws that focus on minutiae and others that can be something like "don't be a Jew" which are far more unsavory.
And governments seem to be formed from two patterns. Some ruthless person with a following decides to rule a certain section and the people in it or some people band together for mutual benefit.
It seems that is the most common way societies/governments form from what I can gather from history. Either a bunch of farmers say, "Let's bad together so we quit bickering over who farms what and we can band together when the bandits come" or a warlord goes "Hmmm. Instead of finding women to rape and houses to pillage, if I can take control over these villages I can have access to women and people will pay me not to ransack their houses"0
@Chip Caesar's legion is way better than the Institute.
@@cheekibreeki9818 Both are equally bad. The Legion is far too focused on ordering and disciplining the people to care for the well-being of the people, and the Institute is much too isolated and exclusive, for Father, his family, his synths, and what are best described as the descendants of pre-war MIT professors and students.
Finally someone to recognize our true motives.
god bless the enclave
I see both BoS and Enclave on same footing (control via hearts and minds). If one pays close attention to how fast folks went to BoS after project purity kick starts, the people goes to who has the most power which in Capital Wasteland's case is water.
Wait, WHAT?! The voice has a face?! Inconceivable!
This is literally the greatest social commentary/ Fallout video I've seen in ages! Really awesome stuff!
I was disappointed that you couldn't join the Enclave and destroy the brotherhood in DC. The Enclave were clearly the good guys.
The Enclave is elite, you wastrels of life.
WE SHALL RECLAIM EARTH FOR THE TRUE HUMANS
You should do more videos like this
agree
I was curious as to when I commented when I saw the pic.
+TaskForce_taco you two both have an equal lack of a sense of humor.
+Clandsom I used this pic few years ago and never bothered to change it, has nothing to do with humor. It's not even funny imo.
From my point of view the brotherhood is evil!
People bemoaning the fact that they couldn't join the Enclave (weren't given a choice) are forgetting that the Enclave don't give you a choice. If you weren't born in the Enclave, you can't join the Enclave, and non-Enclaves get killed.
the irony is so is brotherhood of steel. in fallout 1-2 the brotherhood dont accept outsiders into them.
akiraguy Yeah lol.
That's not true. It's possible to join the Brotherhood in Fallout 1 as well.
It is not so much that you can join the Brotherhood freely. It's more like: "Go and do this impossible task if you want to join our ranks". They only let the Vault Dweller join because they wanted to use him. The best representation of the Brotherhood of Steel are the Outcasts from Fallout 3 and the New Vegas branch if you choose to make paladin Hardin the elder. A closed off group that only tolerates outsiders if they can be useful to the Brotherhood.
You can join the Enclave in Fallout 2 as a recruit tho.
Austin we get it you're related to a enclave super soldier but please don't rub it in.
+chandler b Bias: confirmed.
+chandler b Super soldier? you mean Frank?
Devouring_One Ye
There are still organized Enclave remnants in Chicago, that would be interesting to see them as the "good guys" in that area.
ALL HAIL THE ENCLAVE SAVIORS OF MANKIND
I've thought about this for like, a year or two, and I TOTALLY agree. Awesome video!
I was so pissed when I couldn't continue helping the Enclave in Broken Steel and all I had for my past efforts is a load of toxic water.
Honestly. If the Lyon's brotherhood listened to Autumn's proposal without prejudice on both side it would made sense to Lyons BOS. Plus would've save resources for both side. Both had the same goals with different steps.
Not Eden though.
True, and it would have been nice if that had been explored properly. I mean really, as it was the Enclave at its core was just psychotic (note that the only reason Eden wanted to commit genocide is because his personality was based on the real human leadership of the Fallout 2 enclave).
But a proper Autumn faction could basically have a similar argument as the Legion, only with more credibility and less (overt) slavery. Imagine if a large part of the conflict vs. the Brotherhood came about because the Enclave wanted to hand out technology to Wastelander who paid fealty to them? What if the Enclave (unlike the Brotherhood!!) was portrayed as being controlled of a genuinely democratic government...as long as they considered you worthy to be a citizen, otherwise you go to the workcamps or something. These Enclaves would have been compelling to join.
(Real life fascists can go die in a ditch though!! XD)
I'm glad this channel is yours, finally.
I will always be here to support. One way or another.
6:50 Hammurabi's law was the first Code of Law Devised against Anarchy. that just immediately reminded me of it.
I came in thinking it was stupid but now I kind of agree...
Here's the thing though Austin. I'm not sure if you can find any in-game info on this, but do you really think Autumn and the Enclave would give people water in exchange for all of the Wastelands communities agreeing to be nice to each other? I doubt it. Autumn just kills people who get in his way, there's no democracy involved. So even if the Enclave would bring some social order to the wasteland, I think it would likely be more of a Totalitarian government. I'm not an American and I'm not obsessed with freedom or whatever, but I've got to say, I'd rather live in a hellish wasteland than live under the rule of a corrupt government.
+Mount B. And by the way, I know you were arguing Devil's Advocate on this and in that respect, you did a damn good job.
+Mount B. I am an American and I enjoy the idea of total freedom but if given the choice would gladly give it up if I didn't have to worry about someone killing me and wearing my face as a mask as they does unspeakable things to my faceless corpse because they know there will be no repercussions for their actions. Not trying to be a dick but that would be the norm in a hellish wasteland with no governmental control.
The Enclave are still assholes but still.
+Mount B. Well, totalitarianism does not equal corruption. In fact, in a system where the government has unprecedented power, there is no such thing as corruption. Corruption and being tyrannical is not the same either.
But thing is, freedom isn't necessarily the best. Democracy isn't necessarily the best.
If a totalitarian state suits my needs better, if it is more efficient as a government, then it has my support.
People nowadays think that their is but one Divinity. Democracy. So did the Athenians back in their day. And time upon time again, they were outdone by other states. People give their blind obedience to the "democratic" state, and protect it furiously, religiously. But fact is that modern "democratic" states are more equal to feudal nobles' courts.
I'm personally a supporter of "enlightened despotism".
With that said, the Enclave is still an evil, but a necessary evil - especially when you look at the other factions.
+Red Floyd
Eugenics are a better solution in the long run though. It's all a matter of how much you're willing to sacrifice.
+Eetterinakki FO3 enclave isn't for eugenics (maybe murdering ghouls and supermutants, but because those can't breed I wouldn't consider that eugenics), FO3 enclave follow Colonel Autumn, and he mainly wants to take the water purifier so the Enclave can annex the surrounding cities (technically rivet city should be fine even with this, because they are in the river that's being purified)
This video actually makes good points in defense of why the capital Wasteland actually needs Enclave to win.
Hello guys could someone tell me what mod makes the remnants power armor look like that 0:16 (clean)
Am I crazy...because I always find the “bad guys” like the enclave and the legion are the best option.
same but legion are morons but their boss was good unlike the neanderthal minions
I know this comment is a month old, but try putting that mindset to IRL history and be surprised.
Autumn's Enclave has a decently humane approach to subjugating the Capital Wasteland: Distribute water to get people on their side. The Legion is just out for blood. Caesar isn't anything like his namesake, his namesake was already a very powerful Senator before he seized executive power and was proclaimed dictator, he's more like Mussolini reincarnate, with a fetish for Rome and an absurd amount of raving about infrastructure improvement.
“What if?”
Who the fuck does this guy think he’s saying? We ARE the good guys!
Great video. I've always wanted to see Bethesda explore an Enclave narrative wherein the antagonists have a more sympathetic motivation like that to share with the protagonist. The way The Master did in the first game.
This is my first trip down this series. I've seen the stoyrteller for fallout. History of Skyrim. and the full SCIENCE! series. I'm excited to continue the video sets
Put your hands down mate, you'll hurt someone.
I thought everyone knew they were the good guys and we were the destructive force of mankind known as the protagonist. It's symbolic.
Love the use of the enclave prank call from Icenjam.
this is a really well done video no lie
I always liked the enclave more
The Enclave won at Broken Steel and then retreated to elsewhere to regroup and here's why- in FO4 the Brotherhood says "Remember the Citadel" a reference to "Remember the Alamo". Why would they say that if they had won? But the BOS built the Prydwin from the Enclave Crawler, so we know the Enclave must ha e ditched it to regroup elsewhere.
I miss these old videos :(
25 caps for a stimpack?
Someone's been putting points into barter.
enclave here, why your video feed isnt working?
Couldn't have stayed it better myself
0:03 I need to know that intro theme.
what helmet /headwear was being used when liberty prime gets struck in this video?
"What if the enclave are the good guys"
Always have been.
Meh. 194 views, 2763 likes... seems legit :)
+TakeTo TheShadows Welcome to RUclips, that's how their algorithm works, it can't update the view count fast enough.
+TakeTo TheShadows lol
it absolutely beautiful the way your mind works
i played this mod called mothership zeta crew for fallout 3 basically you find enclave remnants that feel autumns methods are extreme and eden is too distant so they left and are turned away from joining the brotherhood by force so you take them to the mothership and form a new faction call the Terran Starship Command and hope to form a greater better world order by less extreme methods it is still being worked on i highly recommend it to anyone
Yes
the enclave aren't evil, their leaders r. the enclave administration do wat their leaders tell them to do because they believe their leaders r their only hope
***** exactly
>implying the Earth Isn't flat
+Colonel Dick Faggotson
come to think of it we need another to get this desert religion out of the rest of the world
Basically every organization besides if they were really unhappy with their leaders don't you think they wouldn't done something about it? No they were always happy to kill the "impure".
Dirt is definitely a scary thought when exiting a Vault.
I was very disappointed that you couldn't interact more with the enclave. Since my first exposure to fallout was theough #4, and then later i found the series again through new vegas and loved how you could basically get the brotherhood back up into full working order, and this guy (who ended up being my favorite companion) in a random little camp turns out to be an enclave member who asks us to gather up all his old buddies so they can all help at hoover dam, and gives me cool epic power armor. Then not long agter that my friend buys me a game pass so i can play fallout 76 with him, and while we mostly just went murder hobo there and i don't remember any story. It felt positive for a lot of factions i recognized. Then i got falliut 3, and was immediately like "time to go find my metal daddies and kick ass 😎" , found the outcasts, was kind of disappointed but i held out hope. Found the citadel and was completely shunned, i was kinda heart broken then, but i was like "there's still one group thats a maybe though. Cause the outcasts are not the enclave. I'm 98% sure..." then didn't find them until after i got into the brotherhood & outcast. But was still super disappointed that i couldn't get buddy buddy with them
My ideal fallout 5 in Alaska and the enclave are the good guys basically they’re like the brotherhood in fo3😉
Cleansing the wasteland of all mutant danger and imperfection is the most effective way to start over and rebuild America with the smartest and purest.
Rico Pacheco it would be if the fev virus killed only the feral ghouls and the supermutants but noooo we have to kill anyone who has ever been in contact with radiation that includes all the humans in the wasteland and the lone wanderer as well
Rico Pacheco You are a dumbass. It isn't just Ghouls and Super Mutants who die. Anybody who gets irradiated dies as well.
@Jorden B. But it didn't, and this was addressed in Fallout 2. You can actually convince an Enclave scientist to have a heel-face turn by explaining to him that the wastelanders are just another stage of human evolution, and testament to our adaptability as a species, and thus deserving of life.
The pur of that gun at 24 seconds is almost orgasmic!
I wonder what happened to that plan of going to Mars and having a fresh start there...