Snail Racing i somehow think average wastelanders would consider their living just as boring as 9-5 jobs. i mean whats the fun in farming tatos and trading for water everyday? the fun is only reserved for the (somewhat successful) raiders and gangs and our protagonists. which is the same for today. and tbh there are more ppl enjoying lives today than the number of wastelanders enjoy theirs. but i do agree, escaping from our static lives which we lived long enough to get boring is fun, from time to time.
I personally think what people like about Fallout is the idea of a world without mundanity. You'll never get bored in a world where you have to fight for your life almost daily.
In Fallout, survival is a 24/7 job. It's fun in game when you are playing what is basically a superhero, but in real life, or if you're an NPC (unless you are a Brotherhood, Institute or Enclave member) you would ALWAYS have to be worried about and ready to react to raider attacks or supermutant attacks or a hundred other things that want to make a hat out of your spleen. And about radiation storms making your skin peel off or giving you cancer. I don't imagine you'd ever get the pleasure of a restful night's sleep. And unless you know a fair bit about farming, hygiene, plumbing, electronics, carpentry, masonry and how to make traps and weapons, your life is gonna suck, be short, and probably end either with you getting cholera or something and dying shitting out what feels like everything you've ever eaten, or someone slitting your throat in your sleep to nick your stuff.
I have a small bit of insight as to why people might like post apocalyptic games. Because they are bored. They've known this world for their entire lives. All they know is convenience (for the most part, at least when it comes to being compared to the conveniences available after such an event). And regardless of whether or not the change is for the better or for the worse, they crave it because it's different, it's a change. A lot of people don't like to be stagnant. That's why I like the games at least. It's a completely different kind of world that you get to explore, something totally different to that of the world that we know now.
That´s basically what he said. Which is totally true. Minor non-sense ahead: that is why my SS was probably shitting her pants in happiness when she saw that the Institute had working showers, toilets and freaking toilet paper. It might be awesome to imagine ourselves as badass action heroes that can take 50 bullets to the chest, but if I put myself in the SS´ shoes I would eventually worry about the lack of pizza and TP. And you know, PCs.
Maybe. But you could use that reason for just about anything. Why would boredom mean specifically that people want post-apocalyptic stories though? I think it's more to do with us feeling somewhat uneasy and discontent with our super convenient lives. We don't have a wild West to go settle, like they did 150 years ago. So we imagine a world in which we don't have the modern conveniences and are forced to forge our way again.
That’s literally me. And the fact I love the style of the 1950’s, if I could live in the fallout universe, say from 2060 onwards, I would take it in a heartbeat.
A fucking knife with an improved hit chance? Isn't VATS capable of melee targeting any body part not behind something with a 95% hit chance as long as it's in range?
I forget the name, but there is a legendary gamma gun that can do 50% more damage against feral ghouls. Which is useless since feral ghouls are healed by radiation.
Modern Post-Apocalypse is at its core about hope in the face of grim circumstances. It's about the force of the human will to live against all odds. At least this is the vibe I get from the vast majority of stories.
Which is something of a sign of the times. Some parts of the world are getting quite close to a cyberpunk setting with blatant corruption, megacorps, police states and a sense of desperation and frustration. Stories like fallout tells us that we are strong enough to not only survive, but thrive. Although that might have been lost on Bethesda...
I like fallout because it gives me the chance to be the person I want to be without being tied down by society, even if it is just in my head. fallout 4 missed the mark on that, sure you can be an asshole when the opportunity presents itself, but it doesn't feel like it has any effect when I get forced to accept missions I don't agree to.
Many thanks.. I have often wondered what my strange obsession with the PA genre was. You hit the nail directly on the tip!! My lack of control over my life is why. I felt as though I did not have control for as long as I can remember. When the small bit of control I have historically had was curtailed in some way it has lead to some less than optimum outcomes for myself and those around me. Now, I understand a little more about it... crazy that talking about a video game and our virtual life in it as catharsis.. eh?
I'm 58. I grew up watching stuff like 'Duck and Cover'. Heck, I did the drills. I was trained from an early age to expect the worst. I've been fascinated by post-apocalyptic fiction since, well, it probably began with 'Star Trek'. For me, PA books and movies were reassurance that humanity might somehow survive that which part of me still sees as inevitable. So, for me it was a way to survive the Cold War long before I could celebrate its end. Games take it to the next level. I'm old, and hobbled by a lifetime of manual labor, but if I'm clever enough I just might survive too. Needless to say, I've been a Fallout fan since jump street. It's totally my culture. It's exactly what I expected the world to be.
I don't find survival fun, did enough of it in the field in the army. Real survival is harsh, brutal, and hunger is constant. I do think that a LOT of people feel left out and disenfranchised with our system now, and this is a way to be "heard". To take back a form of control that allows us to be TRULY free, is a desire most of us have.
+BaronNate And, yet people willingly sell themselves into slavery everyday every time they borrow to get something. Selling their future for present gratification. Working a job they hate to pay off that debt.
To me it's about the ability to change things, make a difference, not have a system. The bullshit that's in the way of being able to work towards a better future is gone, and the troubles of starvation and violence in a post apocalyptic wasteland are paltry in comparison to that of government/ bureaucracy.
no offense, and I see your point and like it, but seriously, go a week without food and eat nothing but maybe a grub or two. Those high thoughts about gov. go right out the window, lol. Great point though for sure. and I definitely agree.
***** Sure, it's just an easy thing to solve comparatively. Grow/hunt/raise sources of food, build walls and defend yourself. Government doesn't come to be until people are reasonably secure in food sources anyway, and I think it just shouldn't be at all.
For me, post apocalyptic scenes, especially fallout, are my exact aesthetic I'm into. I love seeing the decay and collapse of society, and watching it be rebuilt. It also kind of has a wild west element to it, which is also something I've always thought was super cool.
I like how I can make big and small decisions and potentially have large scale effects on the world. A lot of people including leaders recognize you and you can decide its fate. I think I'm halfway through New Vegas but having it in good with such a large and powerful faction like the NCR feels great even though I'm not even in the army.
For me it's the lore and how unique of a franchise it is, it shows how humanity managed to fuck itself up in an alternate timeline with loads of detail added in, I love how the whole world is connected to the timeline, and the gameplay and RPG aspects are what make it truly amazing :)
I'd love to be a Ghoul. Just wandering the wastes, scavenging scarce supplies and having a buddy that has my back and I have his. I once had a whole talk with a friend of mine about what we'd do if we were both Ghouls in the Fallout universe. What weapons we'd use, and etc. Hell, we even made our own armor.
Not only do we love post-apocalyptic settings we love *nonsensical* post-apocalyptic settings. The period of actual 'post-apocalypse' would last a few years, not centuries. But we love them, sense be damned. We also love plastic entropy. Some things rot and some things are still shiny and chrome. I'm fifty-one. I grew up *knowing* that the world would end in a rain of nuclear fire. I don't want to survive an apocalyptic event.
Because everything goes from being complicated to being really simple. No worries like we face in the modern day. Just.....survival. Together...or alone.... Its simple.
I read an article on "The Art of Manliness" that is related to this topic. The question was "Why are people so nostalgic about the WWII era?" It is a very good article that I would suggest looking up, but the short answers were: The people from that era are considered "the greatest generation" not because they chose to be thrown into those situations, but because they were thrust into them and chose to persevere and overcome. The great depression, followed by the rise of Hitler and the axis of evil, genocide, culminating in a world war where superpowers were racing for a doomsday weapon. Yet that generation Rose to the occasion, survived the depression with their humanity intact, and stomped down Hitler. The article said that we don't really have the opportunity to prove ourselves in that way, and that is what we want. While we don't want to have to endure such a situation, we want to be able to show that we can, even if just proving it to ourselves. Of course, they were able to convey the idea much better than I can, and I'm not fully explaining it, but it made quite a bit of sense to me. I think that is why post-appocalyptic stories catch our imagination so easily. We want to be able to show that we can overcome such an obstacle AND be able to retain our humanity in spite of being placed in such a horrible situation. We also want the "greatness" that comes with being able to do so.
I think Fallout 4 missed the magic from Fallout 3, being alone, finding freaky places and uncovering stories of people who met grizzly ends. Fallout 4 didn't really have that feeling neither did Fallout New Vegas, apart from the DLC that was pretty good.
I'm sorry but that is just not true, fallout 4 definitely has more environmental storytelling and random stories behind enemies than 3. They fell short in other areas but they exceeded in that one
My reason: In a world flung into chaos: I am the only one who can bring order, I am the one who can help and save them, I can help people in there better than I can in real life.
I know I'm a bit late to the party but, I enjoy fallout because of the dystopian atmosphere, the characters, and the fact that I can live in a gas station with a shit ton of weapons and power armor you wouldn't have access to in any other situation in reality. Seriously, I travel around with Nick Valentine all the time as a sniper character and enjoy doing good but also enjoyed blowing up Covenant because the people there were assholes to synths and I stand for synths in my game and hate the institute and brotherhood.
It both terrifies and and intrigues me. Like being that moth heading to the flame. No matter how much that flame scares that moth the moth still moves forward. I've actually being wondering this myself. Thank you for your brilliant illustration. Mind blowing to me! Many blessings.
"I wish I could dress like that!" But then dresses like he's from Blue's Clues and sends letters to game companies... He just sent a letter! He just sent a letter! (...)
Isn't the whole Noah and the ark thing a post a post-apocalyptic story. Admittedly a boring as hell one but still a post-apocalyptic fable none the less. I do believe that it predates Miss Shelley's little book. Oh yes Fallout actually started as Wasteland which came out in 1988. Before the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Apathy Guy Noah's story was actually very terrifying. In his time there was no law and order. People were left to do whatever they feel. Cannibalism, rape, murder, etc. The flood was God's nuke essentially. But even after the dust settled, it is obvious to know that Humans never change in the end. We go right back to where we started.
honestly the lore of fallout is why I choose that specific apocalypse game. in (apocalypse) games in general you hit it right on the nose, the feeling of a reset button, a way out of the daily grind is why I enjoy them so much.
Video games have become quite a bit more complacent. I enjoy fallout because it challenged me like no video game had in the past, it also engaged me deeper than most. When I had to rush the satellite array, I was trying to snipe the super mutants. I was working slowly, methodically. I ran out of bullets. I tried to rush it with a shot gun. Ran myself out of ammo there too. Ah, no go there. I had 2 stim packs, no chems. I was hiding in the center, between the dishes. My power armor had helmet and center armor left, the rest had been blown off. I thought to myself... "If I'm going to die, I'm going to die. There's no need to worry about this." - I took off running toward the holo tape. I scraped by. I made it.... It was glorious. I had never been challenged like that before in a game. I had insurmountable odds, and holy hell I actually did it.
In my playstyle, I'm not a fan of rushing... I'm basically a black panther waiting for the night to come so I can start hunting prey in their most vulnerable moment. All of my weapons have silencers and scopes, hell, if a melee weapon has a scope, I'd do something that ridiculous. And I don't tend to run out of ammo ever often cuz in the daytime I'm your average scavenger/scrounger. Admittedly I died a fair amount of times when I get too cocky with sneaking up close, which is why my recent playthroughs tend to be playing the waiting game when faced with a powerful enemy or I grind enough materials and weapons for hours before facing them. Fallout is very enjoyable, any playstyle is viable when given enough grit or thought.
Could also be a reference to the Y2K scare since people did that back then too. Toilet paper is also the first to go during week long ice storms where I live. Basically, you can use toilet paper to measure the normalcy of your local time and place. It's weird that toilet paper can be a measuring stick like that.
I honestly love fallout for the lore, not just the Apocalypse but the government experiments and vaults, the way Harold gets screwed in so many instances and manages to stay a nice guy. All that alternate timeline stuff is the key IMHO.
My personal obsession with apocalyptic stories is the fact that humanity can persevere. I mean think about it. Our ancestors have lived through ice ages, plagues, wars, and so on. And yet despite all that we've managed to not only outlive it all, but become better and stronger both as a species and as a civilization. While obviously humanity won't be around forever I love these types of stories because of the will to live that the characters in these stories have, even when they're in a situation where they're still going to die they still find a reason to live another day. Something that a lot of people take for granted. To me that's just beautiful.
Alright I'll try to amuse you. Why is Fallout fun for me? I like it's tone and aesthetic, it represents; to me. A world that could've been. A world where certain questions have a better place to be presented. Sometimes the writers do that. Sometimes, I could provide it. Also I like to try put myself there in a room, telling myself. All these skeletons have a story.
One of the reasons why I love Fallout is the weird setting. That mash of super high future technology and lack of color television or digital cameras is why I love this series.
Hi Austin, seven years late. I'm 60. I started playing Fallout because my kids watched videos about it (including yours) some years back. For someone like me, the games are that cathartic release you talk about, because the fear we grew up under, didn't happen. They allow us to release the fears we grew up wp with. They allow us to laugh and play with what we feared would kill us. I hope you see this, because I miss you.
I stopped watching PBS Game/Show when he started going way too far and too frequently into social and gender politics. For a while that's ALL he did, and man I just like watching stuff about video games, I watch Game Theory ffs. I want to overthink video games, I want to over-analyze things in my favorite medium! Good thing the regular PBS Idea Channel has kept the balance. They delve into social and gender politics now and then, but they don't hammer on it for months on end. Love that channel to bits
I would love to see a version of Fallout where you play as your character living life as your pre-war self then out of nowhere a few scripts and lines of code trigger the nuclear war that causes everything to go to shit. Basically you could be 1 minuted in and be FUCKED. Or you could be 1 hour in and safely evacuate to a vault and then you start the sequence of Fallout 4.
In my eyes its viewing a obvious impossibility with a underlying belief that this may happen, and that "confusion" perplexes us and gives us something to imagine in detail
I just want to say that I love the music in the end of the video. I used to spent way too many expensive micro fusion cell just cruising around in Fallout 2 just to hear that music.
I play modded Fallout 4. I take over raider bases and form my own military and government. I build huge bases as well, housing around a company of troops. Lel I'm great.
I enjoy the freedom to explore places and things I would normally have not been allowed to and pretty much doing whatever whenever I wanted to. Being an unstoppable force to be reckoned with, and deciding the fate of everyone around me. The control I am given as the one person who is self-aware is probably the reason I enjoy it so much.
I think there's an aesthetic component as well. There's something strangely appealing about ruins (back in the day, some rich folk would even build pre-ruined structures on the grounds of their country estates, merely to gaze serenely upon them), and post-apocalyptia gives us a WHOLE WORLD in ruins. Beautiful.
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I like fallout cuz the idea of living after civilization has been destroyed sounds like a better life than the shitty world we live in now imo. I'd feel more free, no taxes, no shitty government ect.
Berlin Wall divided "normal Germany" from "Germany absorbed in the Soviet Union"? Dude, what? Berlin Wall divided West and East Germany, and while being highly dependent to USSR a.k.a. Soviet Union was a separate country (called GDR).
I think you are right about most of it. You see it in everyday society, but not in the whole. The one point you obscure is that everybody has an Alternate-Self. The person they imagine they could/would be if they were not themselves.
I really like your analysis. For me the fallout setting brings to mind that old quote: "As I walk through the valley of darkness I shall fear no evil, because I'm the meanest S.O.B. in the valley". There's something about the feeling of having your back to the wall that ties in with that liberation fantasy in a strange way, like when there's nothing to be gained by collaborating with tyrants, you discover strengths you otherwise wouldn't.
+Christopher Henningsen Correction " As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the meanest motherf**ker in the valley."-General G.S. Patton
Am I the only one who likes elder scrolls more then fallout? I mean I didn't like it at first because it was kinda ugly looking and depressing. But in elder scrolls, it's just beauty
I like Fallout more. But I see what you're saying my dude. I don't like Skyrim or ES more than I do ANY Fallout, mainly because I don't like Fantasy and swords.
I want apocalypse to happen because I am tired this non-life! Here in Finland our economy is rapidly worsening and we sick and poor are the first ones to suffer! In fact, I have been struggling with governments illegal cost cuts now 8 yrs. When and if collapse comes I will sing and dance until I die slow and painfully in lack of medicine!
+Mike Marks spoiler alert nobody cares about your reasons for commenting here either, but you still did it right? Maybe your to stubid to realize how the internet works
My favorite thing about fallout is the simplicity of the way life is, you just live no taxes no bullshit other than nature and others trying to survive its awesome
What I love about fallout 4 is the idea of purity. Your character and his/her friends will always be good hearted and pure and imagining what the commonwealth or even the world will be like after you've made all your decisions....... That and making your character as badass and unique as possible. 👍🏻
Out here in California we have an event called Wasteland Weekend...we basically live it up Mad Max-style for four days. Everything talked about in this video? Yup, we love every second of that.
exploring empty wasteland listening to audio logs, killing creatures and humans, looting, uncovering the past. its the immersive aspect for me. there is something romantic about post apocalypse.
I love Fallout because of the in-depth story telling and the fact that it gives me the ability to touch lives and try to leave them a little bit better then how I found them
Personally I like Fallout because it simulates a world in which I would like to believe I could survive in. Apart of every person is the will to survive and prosper despite the odds. And humanity has entered into a time where alot of people are safe and capable of living there whole lives without much worry other than simple things. Fallout gives an interesting perspective on life that we havent experienced. Something we have only heard of in books its a world we were designed to survive in where as the world we live in today is not.
The most important part of post-apocalyptic fiction is the feeling that something was lost; while humanity can rebuild, society will never be the same. So much knowledge, culture, and, of course, life was lost and can never be replaced. While liberation fantasy is a part, a good post-apocalyptic story should have at least one moment that makes you want to call your parents to tell them that you love them, for they could be gone the next day.
One of the things you kinda hinted at but didn't really go deep into is curiosity of what systems would arise from resetting everything. As in how would the world look, how would people organise themselves, what kind of societies would people create, what views of the world would be widespread, ect...
I think that appart from the lore, the great dialogues and the total freedom, something very interesting with the fallout franchise is that it happens a long time after the appcalypse, and thus its not really about pure survival but more about the rebuilding of society,
What makes fallout fun is making up your own fallout story on the Fallout 4 creation kit. Like killing feral ghouls with a crowbar or making purified water only possible in your vault that you grew up in or having the super mutants the culprit of all kidnappings rather than the synths and the institute.
I love Fallout for a few reasons. Part of it is playing someone good or close-to-good, who is simultaneously freer and more able to enact positive change than my one real-life self and forced to deal with the consequences of those choices, to deal with situations where good is hard, or you're not sure if there IS a good choice. And another huge part of it, and this one, I think, has been done better by Fallout 4 than all the other games, is the aesthetic. The feeling of it being this huge, beautiful, vibrant and ramshackle place. Seeing the sun rise above a broken skyscraper, or coming out of the Vault for the first time, wind on your skin, sun in your eyes, and seeing that though your home is ruined, the sun still shines and the grass still lives (though made brown and withered). It's the feeling of a beautiful other, where though it's strange and unusual to see, you're still astounded at it's magnificence. ...Goddamn it, I started writing in prose.
i love fallout because YOU get to go out and survive. YOU get to decide what's happening when you encounter different things. even if someone is in power, you can either join their thing and rise through the ranks, or just be like, "nah I'm not down with that" and dismantle the whole thing. there's no laws stopping you from living where you want, taking what you want and doing what you want. you can be anyone.
I have to admit, the killing whoever you want is fun on Fallout, but the idea that you are helping to rebuild society is always such an enthralling and liberating experience
5:53 "lets start an apocalypse right fucking now and i'll show" literally describes us all when playing these games then we slowly come to the realisation we'd be dead in days
There's also that sort of pioneer spirit aspect, like during the early days of America, when settlers set out to carve a new society in an unknown, hostile wilderness. In fact, there are a lot of parallels between Fallout 4 and America in the 1700s.
I love Fallout mostly because... everything; the retro ideas behind everything from cars and buildings to weapons, the creatures that populate the universe and what they might have been before (like deathclaws were rabbits, not confirmed but pretty awesome none the less), and the factions... oh the factions, from raiders to the Brotherhood, the Enclave to the various Vault factions ( like Vault City from Fallout 2 and Vault Zero from Fallout Tactics). I can't wait to see what comes next from the Wasteland... oh yeah, Wasteland the predecessor to Fallout and a more serious toned game, but really good.
i just thought of fallout 4 as a nice way to unwind from the depressing world and be in control of my world, where it's hard to be in control of the real world. i have the power to be who I want and power to change the world. so i think you really are touching on something here.
For me, FO captivates me in a way Skyrim wasn't able to. We navigate a world we recognize, it may be of a past era (e.g. the 50's) but the cars, the houses all are immediately recognizable to us. Then seeing them in a state of decay connects on a deeper level. With the faux-medieval setting of Skyrim, we see ruined castles, underground crypts, etc... but none of these things are something we connect with on a daily basis. To us, most castles are ruined (or tourist traps). Oh and I get to shoot the bejesus out of the landscape with giant guns. That too.
I like it because I can pretend I would survive in such a scenario. Even though I would definitely die in a minute
Same lmao
I guess you'd still be a Minute Man
i like it because exploring a place that is abandonned is fun
+Powwong another settlement needs your help here il mark it on your map.
Furries would be the reason for the destruction of earth.
What makes fallout fun for me is there are no 9-5 jobs, just your own survival, nothing else matters
Snail Racing i somehow think average wastelanders would consider their living just as boring as 9-5 jobs. i mean whats the fun in farming tatos and trading for water everyday? the fun is only reserved for the (somewhat successful) raiders and gangs and our protagonists. which is the same for today. and tbh there are more ppl enjoying lives today than the number of wastelanders enjoy theirs. but i do agree, escaping from our static lives which we lived long enough to get boring is fun, from time to time.
I personally think what people like about Fallout is the idea of a world without mundanity. You'll never get bored in a world where you have to fight for your life almost daily.
In Fallout, survival is a 24/7 job. It's fun in game when you are playing what is basically a superhero, but in real life, or if you're an NPC (unless you are a Brotherhood, Institute or Enclave member) you would ALWAYS have to be worried about and ready to react to raider attacks or supermutant attacks or a hundred other things that want to make a hat out of your spleen. And about radiation storms making your skin peel off or giving you cancer.
I don't imagine you'd ever get the pleasure of a restful night's sleep.
And unless you know a fair bit about farming, hygiene, plumbing, electronics, carpentry, masonry and how to make traps and weapons, your life is gonna suck, be short, and probably end either with you getting cholera or something and dying shitting out what feels like everything you've ever eaten, or someone slitting your throat in your sleep to nick your stuff.
I mean I'd rather work in a pre-war 9-5 job rather than living in a radiated wasteland.
same , would have been cool if there was a time travel moment back to pre war america to find information or something
I have a small bit of insight as to why people might like post apocalyptic games.
Because they are bored. They've known this world for their entire lives. All they know is convenience (for the most part, at least when it comes to being compared to the conveniences available after such an event). And regardless of whether or not the change is for the better or for the worse, they crave it because it's different, it's a change. A lot of people don't like to be stagnant. That's why I like the games at least. It's a completely different kind of world that you get to explore, something totally different to that of the world that we know now.
Yeah. I can get that.
That´s basically what he said. Which is totally true.
Minor non-sense ahead: that is why my SS was probably shitting her pants in happiness when she saw that the Institute had working showers, toilets and freaking toilet paper. It might be awesome to imagine ourselves as badass action heroes that can take 50 bullets to the chest, but if I put myself in the SS´ shoes I would eventually worry about the lack of pizza and TP. And you know, PCs.
Maybe. But you could use that reason for just about anything. Why would boredom mean specifically that people want post-apocalyptic stories though? I think it's more to do with us feeling somewhat uneasy and discontent with our super convenient lives. We don't have a wild West to go settle, like they did 150 years ago. So we imagine a world in which we don't have the modern conveniences and are forced to forge our way again.
That’s literally me. And the fact I love the style of the 1950’s, if I could live in the fallout universe, say from 2060 onwards, I would take it in a heartbeat.
Another factor, by mere virtue of being one of the few survivors, your value and importance to society go up dramatically.
0:16 One of the most useless legendary weapons in existence.
A fucking knife with an improved hit chance? Isn't VATS capable of melee targeting any body part not behind something with a 95% hit chance as long as it's in range?
I forget the name, but there is a legendary gamma gun that can do 50% more damage against feral ghouls. Which is useless since feral ghouls are healed by radiation.
How about a ghoul slayer gamma gun?
I played the game vats enhanced weapons use less action points.
Not useless. More times to stab people due to less AP cost.
Modern Post-Apocalypse is at its core about hope in the face of grim circumstances. It's about the force of the human will to live against all odds. At least this is the vibe I get from the vast majority of stories.
or its just fucking fun living life next to death.
Which is something of a sign of the times. Some parts of the world are getting quite close to a cyberpunk setting with blatant corruption, megacorps, police states and a sense of desperation and frustration. Stories like fallout tells us that we are strong enough to not only survive, but thrive. Although that might have been lost on Bethesda...
This is what makes the NCR likeable. They are regular folk that want to build a better world.
@@AL1_917 ncr is best faction
The lore and challenge are what makes fallout fun.
challenge?
+DRida64 hahaha what challenge?
+Nibnob Ever played Fallout 2?
I like fallout because it gives me the chance to be the person I want to be without being tied down by society, even if it is just in my head. fallout 4 missed the mark on that, sure you can be an asshole when the opportunity presents itself, but it doesn't feel like it has any effect when I get forced to accept missions I don't agree to.
Shut the fuck up you probably don't know shit about the lore
Being who I want wandering through the world and seeing I actually make an impact
Simple yet true
Many thanks..
I have often wondered what my strange obsession with the PA genre was.
You hit the nail directly on the tip!!
My lack of control over my life is why.
I felt as though I did not have control for as long as I can remember.
When the small bit of control I have historically had was curtailed in some way it has lead to some less than optimum outcomes for myself and those around me.
Now, I understand a little more about it... crazy that talking about a video game and our virtual life in it as catharsis.. eh?
deep :o
Like a WELL !!!!
Sooooo when did Michael from Vsauce build a time machine and a genetic cloning device?
I swear I'm staring a younger version in the face.
So true
I'm 58. I grew up watching stuff like 'Duck and Cover'. Heck, I did the drills. I was trained from an early age to expect the worst. I've been fascinated by post-apocalyptic fiction since, well, it probably began with 'Star Trek'. For me, PA books and movies were reassurance that humanity might somehow survive that which part of me still sees as inevitable. So, for me it was a way to survive the Cold War long before I could celebrate its end. Games take it to the next level. I'm old, and hobbled by a lifetime of manual labor, but if I'm clever enough I just might survive too. Needless to say, I've been a Fallout fan since jump street. It's totally my culture. It's exactly what I expected the world to be.
+Keleigh Hardie And thanks for the Fallout 2 music at the end. It's been too long.
We will rebuild the world in our image, but first we must wipe the slate clean.
+Von Neely For the Enclave?
*****
Absolutely.
Fallout is fun for me, because I actually can work to improve the world. There's too much shit in the way to actually do so in real life
+Von Neely
The Enclave will fall. Democracy will never be defeated.
But the Enclave is a democracy...
I don't find survival fun, did enough of it in the field in the army. Real survival is harsh, brutal, and hunger is constant. I do think that a LOT of people feel left out and disenfranchised with our system now, and this is a way to be "heard". To take back a form of control that allows us to be TRULY free, is a desire most of us have.
+BaronNate And, yet people willingly sell themselves into slavery everyday every time they borrow to get something. Selling their future for present gratification. Working a job they hate to pay off that debt.
+Mike Burton exactly sir. Perfectly stated.
To me it's about the ability to change things, make a difference, not have a system. The bullshit that's in the way of being able to work towards a better future is gone, and the troubles of starvation and violence in a post apocalyptic wasteland are paltry in comparison to that of government/ bureaucracy.
no offense, and I see your point and like it, but seriously, go a week without food and eat nothing but maybe a grub or two. Those high thoughts about gov. go right out the window, lol. Great point though for sure. and I definitely agree.
***** Sure, it's just an easy thing to solve comparatively. Grow/hunt/raise sources of food, build walls and defend yourself. Government doesn't come to be until people are reasonably secure in food sources anyway, and I think it just shouldn't be at all.
For me, post apocalyptic scenes, especially fallout, are my exact aesthetic I'm into. I love seeing the decay and collapse of society, and watching it be rebuilt. It also kind of has a wild west element to it, which is also something I've always thought was super cool.
I like how I can make big and small decisions and potentially have large scale effects on the world. A lot of people including leaders recognize you and you can decide its fate. I think I'm halfway through New Vegas but having it in good with such a large and powerful faction like the NCR feels great even though I'm not even in the army.
For me it's the lore and how unique of a franchise it is, it shows how humanity managed to fuck itself up in an alternate timeline with loads of detail added in, I love how the whole world is connected to the timeline, and the gameplay and RPG aspects are what make it truly amazing :)
I don't want to destroy the world...I just wanna start a little flame deep down in your heart.
Scout4y I may have lost all ambition for worldly acclaim, but at least I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle.
Slade Wilson and ive got heartaches by the number
You messed up the quote. :(
No Big Iron 0/10
I couldn't agree more but I didn't think yall would mention it though.
The idea of living after an apocalypse seems freeing.
I'd love to be a Ghoul. Just wandering the wastes, scavenging scarce supplies and having a buddy that has my back and I have his.
I once had a whole talk with a friend of mine about what we'd do if we were both Ghouls in the Fallout universe. What weapons we'd use, and etc. Hell, we even made our own armor.
2014 Ebola - 'Want to see something really scary?'
2020 COVID-19 - 'Hold my beer...'
2014- Russia is posturing
2022- Hold my Vodka
Fallout: New Vegas > Fallout 4
Agreed
Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel > Fallout: New Vegas
:^)
*Jumps off a cliff foaming from the mouth*
+Dictator Caesar Fallout 2> Fallout New Vegas>Fallout>Fallout 3> Fallout 4
+epicgamer9000 true
Not only do we love post-apocalyptic settings we love *nonsensical* post-apocalyptic settings. The period of actual 'post-apocalypse' would last a few years, not centuries. But we love them, sense be damned. We also love plastic entropy. Some things rot and some things are still shiny and chrome.
I'm fifty-one. I grew up *knowing* that the world would end in a rain of nuclear fire. I don't want to survive an apocalyptic event.
Because everything goes from being complicated to being really simple.
No worries like we face in the modern day.
Just.....survival. Together...or alone....
Its simple.
To answer your question at the end, I think both, because it's nice to know that in that world, I can rebuild, or conquer!
"ITS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!"
AND I FEEL FINNNNNEEEEEE
It is now
@@bri5033 lol
Easily the best Rethinking episode yet! Keep up the good shit Shoddycast!
I read an article on "The Art of Manliness" that is related to this topic.
The question was "Why are people so nostalgic about the WWII era?"
It is a very good article that I would suggest looking up, but the short answers were:
The people from that era are considered "the greatest generation" not because they chose to be thrown into those situations, but because they were thrust into them and chose to persevere and overcome. The great depression, followed by the rise of Hitler and the axis of evil, genocide, culminating in a world war where superpowers were racing for a doomsday weapon. Yet that generation Rose to the occasion, survived the depression with their humanity intact, and stomped down Hitler.
The article said that we don't really have the opportunity to prove ourselves in that way, and that is what we want. While we don't want to have to endure such a situation, we want to be able to show that we can, even if just proving it to ourselves.
Of course, they were able to convey the idea much better than I can, and I'm not fully explaining it, but it made quite a bit of sense to me. I think that is why post-appocalyptic stories catch our imagination so easily. We want to be able to show that we can overcome such an obstacle AND be able to retain our humanity in spite of being placed in such a horrible situation. We also want the "greatness" that comes with being able to do so.
+Richard Lee Guan Rong I tried to find it again myself, and I could not. sorry.
I think Fallout 4 missed the magic from Fallout 3, being alone, finding freaky places and uncovering stories of people who met grizzly ends. Fallout 4 didn't really have that feeling neither did Fallout New Vegas, apart from the DLC that was pretty good.
ikr
I'm sorry but that is just not true, fallout 4 definitely has more environmental storytelling and random stories behind enemies than 3.
They fell short in other areas but they exceeded in that one
That and you really can't be evil
I never really knew why I preferred fallout 3 to new Vegas, but that might be why
I never really knew why I preferred fallout 3 to new Vegas, but that might be why
It’s hilarious how well this video has aged
My reason:
In a world flung into chaos: I am the only one who can bring order, I am the one who can help and save them, I can help people in there better than I can in real life.
Rethink Caesars Legion please.
Why?
+Harry Siddall they did the enclave and the institute so it makes sense
The Legion won't survive more than 10 years after the Caesar's death. Legate Lanius IS NOT a leader. He's a warchief.
KoeSeer to be honest there would probably be SOME reforms in Legion government by the time Caesar dies. There would be some choice.
They can create a senate, ting! Problem solved.
I know I'm a bit late to the party but, I enjoy fallout because of the dystopian atmosphere, the characters, and the fact that I can live in a gas station with a shit ton of weapons and power armor you wouldn't have access to in any other situation in reality.
Seriously, I travel around with Nick Valentine all the time as a sniper character and enjoy doing good but also enjoyed blowing up Covenant because the people there were assholes to synths and I stand for synths in my game and hate the institute and brotherhood.
It both terrifies and and intrigues me. Like being that moth heading to the flame. No matter how much that flame scares that moth the moth still moves forward. I've actually being wondering this myself. Thank you for your brilliant illustration. Mind blowing to me! Many blessings.
"I wish I could dress like that!"
But then dresses like he's from Blue's Clues and sends letters to game companies...
He just sent a letter! He just sent a letter! (...)
Isn't the whole Noah and the ark thing a post a post-apocalyptic story. Admittedly a boring as hell one but still a post-apocalyptic fable none the less. I do believe that it predates Miss Shelley's little book. Oh yes Fallout actually started as Wasteland which came out in 1988. Before the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Err, are you and I reading the same story? Noah's ark is terrifying when you really stop to think about what is happening.
Apathy Guy
Noah's story was actually very terrifying. In his time there was no law and order. People were left to do whatever they feel. Cannibalism, rape, murder, etc. The flood was God's nuke essentially.
But even after the dust settled, it is obvious to know that Humans never change in the end. We go right back to where we started.
I DON'T WANT TO SET THE WORLD
ON
FIRE!
I just want to play a game where I do.
Sorry for the late response but that's why the media is retarded I don't want to shoot 20 cops and pull heist I just wanna play gta
honestly the lore of fallout is why I choose that specific apocalypse game. in (apocalypse) games in general you hit it right on the nose, the feeling of a reset button, a way out of the daily grind is why I enjoy them so much.
I am Legend (The Book), has maybe one of the greatest poltwists in literature. So sad the movie was just another mediocre zombie story.
Poltwists is not a thing. I think you meant plot twists.
desertrose0601 yo stop being “nit picky” bro stated his opinion, don’t be an out-dated troll
Video games have become quite a bit more complacent. I enjoy fallout because it challenged me like no video game had in the past, it also engaged me deeper than most.
When I had to rush the satellite array, I was trying to snipe the super mutants. I was working slowly, methodically. I ran out of bullets. I tried to rush it with a shot gun. Ran myself out of ammo there too. Ah, no go there. I had 2 stim packs, no chems. I was hiding in the center, between the dishes. My power armor had helmet and center armor left, the rest had been blown off. I thought to myself... "If I'm going to die, I'm going to die. There's no need to worry about this." - I took off running toward the holo tape. I scraped by. I made it.... It was glorious. I had never been challenged like that before in a game. I had insurmountable odds, and holy hell I actually did it.
In my playstyle, I'm not a fan of rushing... I'm basically a black panther waiting for the night to come so I can start hunting prey in their most vulnerable moment. All of my weapons have silencers and scopes, hell, if a melee weapon has a scope, I'd do something that ridiculous. And I don't tend to run out of ammo ever often cuz in the daytime I'm your average scavenger/scrounger. Admittedly I died a fair amount of times when I get too cocky with sneaking up close, which is why my recent playthroughs tend to be playing the waiting game when faced with a powerful enemy or I grind enough materials and weapons for hours before facing them. Fallout is very enjoyable, any playstyle is viable when given enough grit or thought.
I have a mix I shoot from a far then I move up shooting a full mag at a super mutant and stay behind cover shooting until everything is dead
9:52 did he just predict the covid toilet paper shortage? 😂
Yup. He did.
Could also be a reference to the Y2K scare since people did that back then too. Toilet paper is also the first to go during week long ice storms where I live. Basically, you can use toilet paper to measure the normalcy of your local time and place. It's weird that toilet paper can be a measuring stick like that.
I honestly love fallout for the lore, not just the Apocalypse but the government experiments and vaults, the way Harold gets screwed in so many instances and manages to stay a nice guy. All that alternate timeline stuff is the key IMHO.
My personal obsession with apocalyptic stories is the fact that humanity can persevere. I mean think about it. Our ancestors have lived through ice ages, plagues, wars, and so on. And yet despite all that we've managed to not only outlive it all, but become better and stronger both as a species and as a civilization. While obviously humanity won't be around forever I love these types of stories because of the will to live that the characters in these stories have, even when they're in a situation where they're still going to die they still find a reason to live another day. Something that a lot of people take for granted. To me that's just beautiful.
Alright I'll try to amuse you. Why is Fallout fun for me? I like it's tone and aesthetic, it represents; to me. A world that could've been. A world where certain questions have a better place to be presented. Sometimes the writers do that. Sometimes, I could provide it. Also I like to try put myself there in a room, telling myself. All these skeletons have a story.
It teaches us that war. war never changes.
Fallout Is fun because there Is another settlement that needs our help, I'll mark It on your map.
One of the reasons why I love Fallout is the weird setting. That mash of super high future technology and lack of color television or digital cameras is why I love this series.
Hi Austin, seven years late. I'm 60. I started playing Fallout because my kids watched videos about it (including yours) some years back. For someone like me, the games are that cathartic release you talk about, because the fear we grew up under, didn't happen. They allow us to release the fears we grew up wp with. They allow us to laugh and play with what we feared would kill us. I hope you see this, because I miss you.
I stopped watching PBS Game/Show when he started going way too far and too frequently into social and gender politics. For a while that's ALL he did, and man I just like watching stuff about video games, I watch Game Theory ffs. I want to overthink video games, I want to over-analyze things in my favorite medium!
Good thing the regular PBS Idea Channel has kept the balance. They delve into social and gender politics now and then, but they don't hammer on it for months on end. Love that channel to bits
i just want the pipboy... ._.
It's all over eBay fallout 4 pip boy
Johnathan Bowman I want my PimpBoy
lol me
I would love to see a version of Fallout where you play as your character living life as your pre-war self then out of nowhere a few scripts and lines of code trigger the nuclear war that causes everything to go to shit. Basically you could be 1 minuted in and be FUCKED. Or you could be 1 hour in and safely evacuate to a vault and then you start the sequence of Fallout 4.
In my eyes its viewing a obvious impossibility with a underlying belief that this may happen, and that "confusion" perplexes us and gives us something to imagine in detail
I just want to say that I love the music in the end of the video. I used to spent way too many expensive micro fusion cell just cruising around in Fallout 2 just to hear that music.
I like to be anyone I want, that's the main meat of Fallout, the freedom. Unfortunately Fallout 4 is RESTRICTED AS FUCK!
I play modded Fallout 4. I take over raider bases and form my own military and government. I build huge bases as well, housing around a company of troops. Lel I'm great.
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I enjoy the freedom to explore places and things I would normally have not been allowed to and pretty much doing whatever whenever I wanted to. Being an unstoppable force to be reckoned with, and deciding the fate of everyone around me. The control I am given as the one person who is self-aware is probably the reason I enjoy it so much.
I think there's an aesthetic component as well. There's something strangely appealing about ruins (back in the day, some rich folk would even build pre-ruined structures on the grounds of their country estates, merely to gaze serenely upon them), and post-apocalyptia gives us a WHOLE WORLD in ruins. Beautiful.
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Is that skyrim theme tune in background
+ShoddyCast Austin wants the world to end so he can look at all the dicks.
+Kyle Jones What does the world ending have to do with dicks?
I like fallout cuz the idea of living after civilization has been destroyed sounds like a better life than the shitty world we live in now imo. I'd feel more free, no taxes, no shitty government ect.
Berlin Wall divided "normal Germany" from "Germany absorbed in the Soviet Union"? Dude, what? Berlin Wall divided West and East Germany, and while being highly dependent to USSR a.k.a. Soviet Union was a separate country (called GDR).
mikokojot
drop it dude america kniw nothing about history
The just know: west good
West bad
Americans don't know jack shit. They probably also believe that what the US does is actually good.
Yeah, we all know that. It was a throwaway joke, a jab at US thinking during the time of the Cold War.
I think you are right about most of it. You see it in everyday society, but not in the whole. The one point you obscure is that everybody has an Alternate-Self. The person they imagine they could/would be if they were not themselves.
I really like your analysis. For me the fallout setting brings to mind that old quote: "As I walk through the valley of darkness I shall fear no evil, because I'm the meanest S.O.B. in the valley". There's something about the feeling of having your back to the wall that ties in with that liberation fantasy in a strange way, like when there's nothing to be gained by collaborating with tyrants, you discover strengths you otherwise wouldn't.
+Christopher Henningsen Correction " As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the meanest motherf**ker in the valley."-General G.S. Patton
Am I the only one who likes elder scrolls more then fallout? I mean I didn't like it at first because it was kinda ugly looking and depressing. But in elder scrolls, it's just beauty
It's just what I think fallout is still amazing though
I don't like it either.
Oddly enough my thoughts are pretty much the same but the other way round
+AntPixel Many people like elder scrolls more then fallout
I like Fallout more. But I see what you're saying my dude. I don't like Skyrim or ES more than I do ANY Fallout, mainly because I don't like Fantasy and swords.
GALM my boy is getting recognition
Heheheh
Was looking for this comment lol
I want apocalypse to happen because I am tired this non-life! Here in Finland our economy is rapidly worsening and we sick and poor are the first ones to suffer! In fact, I have been struggling with governments illegal cost cuts now 8 yrs.
When and if collapse comes I will sing and dance until I die slow and painfully in lack of medicine!
Have fun with nuclear winter in fucking Finland.
This felt like I was at church but I actually enjoyed this, the way Austin talked made it sound like a preist
Great job, man. Love the video. Keep on coming up with great new ways at of looking at things, and keep on with the videos! Drugs Never Changes.
Why is Fallout 4 fun? TES VI isn't out yet.
CC I'd take fallout over TES every day. But tes is really in my top 3 too
CC sure it is its called The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
I like fallout because it prepares me for the inevitable.
Rule 2:
*The end never comes.*
Xtortment Lol
+Xtortment Rule 3:
*War, War never changes.*
+Tenpenny How exactly?
edgy
Fallout nv is better than fallout 3
Just that little bit on Last of us "Which fucking killed it" in a soft to the side whisper, love it.
It became more enticing when real life became so stressful and complicated by things that would be non existent in a post apocalyptic world.
Good point. People are so much more polite when you can just shoot them in the face at any time.
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+Drunkend Zombie Same with me, I miss the old lore vids. Now its just the type of stuff buzzfeed shits out.
+Drunkend Zombie No one cares.
+RoxasReaper cares about what?
+Drunkend Zombie are you stubid? no one care's about you're reason to unsub
+Mike Marks spoiler alert nobody cares about your reasons for commenting here either, but you still did it right? Maybe your to stubid to realize how the internet works
My favorite thing about fallout is the simplicity of the way life is, you just live no taxes no bullshit other than nature and others trying to survive its awesome
What I love about fallout 4 is the idea of purity. Your character and his/her friends will always be good hearted and pure and imagining what the commonwealth or even the world will be like after you've made all your decisions.......
That and making your character as badass and unique as possible. 👍🏻
Out here in California we have an event called Wasteland Weekend...we basically live it up Mad Max-style for four days. Everything talked about in this video? Yup, we love every second of that.
Also what is that fanart in the background
I see piper, handcock, maybe cait, dogmeat
exploring empty wasteland listening to audio logs, killing creatures and humans, looting, uncovering the past. its the immersive aspect for me. there is something romantic about post apocalypse.
You ain't alone I literally have a blueprint in my room for generators and a map of my hometown with all the places where there are good places to go!
I love Fallout because of the in-depth story telling and the fact that it gives me the ability to touch lives and try to leave them a little bit better then how I found them
Personally I like Fallout because it simulates a world in which I would like to believe I could survive in. Apart of every person is the will to survive and prosper despite the odds. And humanity has entered into a time where alot of people are safe and capable of living there whole lives without much worry other than simple things. Fallout gives an interesting perspective on life that we havent experienced. Something we have only heard of in books its a world we were designed to survive in where as the world we live in today is not.
The most important part of post-apocalyptic fiction is the feeling that something was lost; while humanity can rebuild, society will never be the same. So much knowledge, culture, and, of course, life was lost and can never be replaced. While liberation fantasy is a part, a good post-apocalyptic story should have at least one moment that makes you want to call your parents to tell them that you love them, for they could be gone the next day.
One of the things you kinda hinted at but didn't really go deep into is curiosity of what systems would arise from resetting everything. As in how would the world look, how would people organise themselves, what kind of societies would people create, what views of the world would be widespread, ect...
I think that appart from the lore, the great dialogues and the total freedom, something very interesting with the fallout franchise is that it happens a long time after the appcalypse, and thus its not really about pure survival but more about the rebuilding of society,
What makes fallout fun is making up your own fallout story on the Fallout 4 creation kit. Like killing feral ghouls with a crowbar or making purified water only possible in your vault that you grew up in or having the super mutants the culprit of all kidnappings rather than the synths and the institute.
I love Fallout for a few reasons. Part of it is playing someone good or close-to-good, who is simultaneously freer and more able to enact positive change than my one real-life self and forced to deal with the consequences of those choices, to deal with situations where good is hard, or you're not sure if there IS a good choice. And another huge part of it, and this one, I think, has been done better by Fallout 4 than all the other games, is the aesthetic. The feeling of it being this huge, beautiful, vibrant and ramshackle place. Seeing the sun rise above a broken skyscraper, or coming out of the Vault for the first time, wind on your skin, sun in your eyes, and seeing that though your home is ruined, the sun still shines and the grass still lives (though made brown and withered). It's the feeling of a beautiful other, where though it's strange and unusual to see, you're still astounded at it's magnificence.
...Goddamn it, I started writing in prose.
i love fallout because YOU get to go out and survive. YOU get to decide what's happening when you encounter different things. even if someone is in power, you can either join their thing and rise through the ranks, or just be like, "nah I'm not down with that" and dismantle the whole thing. there's no laws stopping you from living where you want, taking what you want and doing what you want. you can be anyone.
I have to admit, the killing whoever you want is fun on Fallout, but the idea that you are helping to rebuild society is always such an enthralling and liberating experience
Ending it with "My Chrysalis Highwayman" was the best idea.
The best part in my opinion is the deep story and that there is a history to every location
0:22 "and, games are fun! The end."
fallout 76: *hold my beer*
I constantly think about how vulnerable the electrical grid is. In fact, that would make a great post-apocalyptic plot for a game.
5:53 "lets start an apocalypse right fucking now and i'll show" literally describes us all when playing these games then we slowly come to the realisation we'd be dead in days
There's also that sort of pioneer spirit aspect, like during the early days of America, when settlers set out to carve a new society in an unknown, hostile wilderness.
In fact, there are a lot of parallels between Fallout 4 and America in the 1700s.
I love Fallout mostly because... everything; the retro ideas behind everything from cars and buildings to weapons, the creatures that populate the universe and what they might have been before (like deathclaws were rabbits, not confirmed but pretty awesome none the less), and the factions... oh the factions, from raiders to the Brotherhood, the Enclave to the various Vault factions ( like Vault City from Fallout 2 and Vault Zero from Fallout Tactics).
I can't wait to see what comes next from the Wasteland... oh yeah, Wasteland the predecessor to Fallout and a more serious toned game, but really good.
What makes fallout fun is the freedom of choice, the almost unlimited choices of clothes weapons etc and the environments and how intense they get
I personally do that all the time I talk with my friends about when, again not if zombies come, and I wish for the apocalypse way to much
i just thought of fallout 4 as a nice way to unwind from the depressing world and be in control of my world, where it's hard to be in control of the real world. i have the power to be who I want and power to change the world. so i think you really are touching on something here.
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For me, FO captivates me in a way Skyrim wasn't able to. We navigate a world we recognize, it may be of a past era (e.g. the 50's) but the cars, the houses all are immediately recognizable to us. Then seeing them in a state of decay connects on a deeper level. With the faux-medieval setting of Skyrim, we see ruined castles, underground crypts, etc... but none of these things are something we connect with on a daily basis. To us, most castles are ruined (or tourist traps).
Oh and I get to shoot the bejesus out of the landscape with giant guns. That too.