@@freevertibirdrides7437 *insert lame comment about how Bethesda sucks which has been copy pasted 1000 times cause im too lazy to form an actual opinion*
@@brandonc5074 Railroad's final quest is the perfect example of lazy writing though. Not to mention BoS ending, which was even lazier copypaste from F3. Now, thanks to fanboys like you we've got Whatever 76.
@@freevertibirdrides7437 ah who can forget the epic moral struggle of F3, options like: Enclave (genocidal cunts) Outcast (techno klepto) BoS (the one you have to choose). What a thrilling struggle between two BoS sides fighting for illogical reasons driven by semantics whilst actual bond villains do cartoonishly evil shit.
A few things (from an MA in Public Policy Economics, if that matters). "Technological control" is a bit too narrow--"Resource control" makes more sense as an analogue for economic control, especially when the BoS from other Fallout games is taken into account. The BoS basically gave away water, probably the most important resource, to friendly settlements in the Capitol Wastes, but it was a (poorly executed) form of social control (they didn't give water to raiders, after all). That scooches them a bit to the right, economically and also a bit closer to the social authoritarian edge. I also think that the Institute is much more economically controlling than you give them credit for when you expand your definition. Sure, they covet tech, but they also withhold the fruits of their technology from the rest of the Commonwealth. Literally... they have a bunch of radiation-free fruit (and other foodstuffs), not to mention weaponry, armor, and medicine. The rest of the Commonwealth can just eat mutfruit, for all they care. I also think that the Brotherhood of Steel is much more... genocide-y than one on the south side of the Social Control scale would be. Synths (which are basically people, in many cases), those who harbor synths, Ghouls (both feral and non-feral), and Super Mutants (we have demonstrated to not be beyond rehabilitation) are all targeted for systematic extermination... which would drive the BoS waaaaay up the Social Control scale to Nazi-like levels. Also, the Minutemen, at least in practice (as far as gameplay would allow), are basically Communists. They build settlements and help people, yes, but let's look at the facts. *Settlers are arbitrarily assigned work (since their skillsets are not defined in game) *Settlers are paid in only food, shelter, and protection for their labor *Settlers' property is easily confiscatable by authorities, with no protections for individual rights *All excess resources created by a settler are unquestionably turned over to the authorities for redistribution, reinvestment, or personal use by the player *All decisions related to resource allocation are made by a central authority Let's face it: If you're heavily invested in Minutemen Quests, you're basically (at best) a benevolent dictator.
This vid got somethings right and a some wrong. It might be true that the Brotherhood of Steel are rightwingers and the Railroad are leftwingers, but the other two are completely mixed up. The Minutemen are ultra-conservatives, maybe even Constitutionalists because they have the whole grassroots return-things-to-the-way-they-were vibe, and believe in fostering self sufficient local communities instead a large centralized government. Also the Institute is definitely far-left, and would be in the upper left corner of the graph. This is evidenced by their willingness to sacrifice human life for "the greater good," much like Stalin and other communist leaders, or like how leftists are willing to support abortion to prevent human overpopulation. Also the Institute are scientists, and the left has long claimed that it is less religious and more scientific than the right.
I would also bag the question, is it liberal to change things even if it means bringing things back to the way they were? or is it conservative? I think the political spectrum has to be measured based on the current state of your country.
Y'all guys are all wrong. The brotherhood of steel are rightwingers/facist, thats obvious. But the Railroad is definitely neo-liberal. They stand up for equality but they dont support the normal wasteland citizens at all. Desdemona critizises the "normal people" very often. while the minutemen stand up for the wastelanders, settlers and normal people, they are definitely a socialist peoples-army, the soldiers are "proletarians" and they support the "proletarians" and they want to create a state ruled by the "proletarians"/wastelanders. they build settlements where all food, all recourses, almost everything belongs to everybody/the minutemen. no one has their own property, thats definitely socialist/communist ideoligy. and the institute guys are just absolutists/imperialists, they want to overthrow the commonwealth.
Changing things to the way they used to be is reactionary. I suppose it gets it's name from how reactonaries react to change (in this instance, the nuclear war and downfall of society) and wish to undo that change.
+CygnusX1 No. He had the X axis backwards when he did that part. If tech was like the economy then Tech control should have gone to the left and Tech freedom to the right. So the Railroad would be Libertarian, the Minutemen would be moderate conservatives (think democrats that voted for Reagan), the Institute would be Stalin, and the Arthur Maxson be literally Hitler. You, could probably change the institute and BoS back and forth as you wish since it's not a perfect analogy but you get my point.
CygnusX1 we're talking about fictional characters in an alternate and fictional digital universe, lighten up. Besides, it's impossible for him to be "literally" Hitler by the very definition of literally so I was obviously being facetious.
2 notes 1. Democrats are also in the same vicinity as the republicans according to the same political compass. They're just really good at fronting for liberals much like the GOP is at fronting for the conservatives. But the US is still mostly conservative leaning leaders 2. Also MM is the least evil ending since you can still spare BOS & RR but there have to be specific quests you have to ignore and get kicked from the institute at a specific point in the game. There is a video somewhere online.
+Leonardo Huizar (LeoHwzr) Hey, this is Austin. You're totally right about #1. I wasn't trying to make some sort of statement about anything by only saying Republicans there. I did include a political compass chart later that illustrates that, but yeah, you're right. I should have said "most democrat and republican candidates are upper-righters." Better luck next time, hah.
+Leonardo Huizar (LeoHwzr) On my first playthrough I sided with the Minutemen and didn't have to kill any factions. Weird that ppl have to look up a video tutorial.
+Leonardo Huizar (LeoHwzr) Yeah, not sure what I did right but Preston never sent me on a mission to attack the Railroad or BoS. Though I do have a mission from the Railroad to attack a BoS patrol but I have ignored it with my MM loyal toon so far. I'm playing a Railroad loyal toon now and I just recently went into the Institute. The mission to attack the BoS hasn't happened yet but I get the feeling it's coming. While the BoS comes across as overly militaristic and intolerant there are members who seem like good people. Scribe Haylen seems genuinely nice and Paladin Danse, while dedicated to be sure to the BoS cause doesn't seem as hardcore as Elder Maxon. Even though I'm doing a Railroad centered play through this time I still build settlement for the MM and the video hinted at the MM being sort of in line with Bernie Sanders which I found laughable. The BoS is all about TAKING technology just as much as Bernie is about taking other peoples wealth.
Honestly I think its more likely that: Brotherhood of steel - Auth right Institute - Auth left Railroad - Lib left Minutemen - Lib right It's almost like that's how it was intended by the devs based on the way each factions overarching worldview, actions and what not but I could be wrong.
When he switched the economy and technology he also switched more and less control. Which means everything in Fallout should be reflected across the y axis
kit parsons I actually ended up siding with The Institute when it came down to it. But I totally agree with the Railroad's idea's of synths. They're just as human as us :)
+kit parsons (meowmx69) For me it was the Minutemen. You can help synths by allying the railroad, take down the Brotherhood to stop them from militarily controlling the Commonwealth, and let us face it, they would go after anyone who was a threat to THEM. Not anyone else. If the Insitutes technology was not high but they were still doing things, the Brotherhood would care faaaar less. Plus you can take down the Institute who is quite clearly sinister, despite technological advances, they are doing horrific things such as experimentation on people with the FEV, kidnapping men, women and children and so on. So the Minutemen was the best choice, especially seeing as the Minutemen ARE the Commonwealth. Every person who joins is likely from one of the Commonwealth settlements so it makes more sense.
I joined the Minutemen. I want to build a better future for the people of the wasteland :) And I definitely will not be voting for Sanders or Clinton...
+Diraphe Sanders or Clinton? If I may make a suggestion, if you have to vote Democrat try to get someone other than those two at the top of the nomination, because they are both really bad candidates. Come on, I know you guys have better people then those two right? And if you have to choose between those two, please vote Bernie. I don't like the economically uneducated commie but he is at least a million times better than that witch Clinton.
***** Two Things: 1. I know he's not actually communist. My calling him a "commie" is the same idea used when someone might call someone else a "nazi" for holding any kind of authoritarian perspective. It is a method of insult through exaggeration and comparison. It is not meant to be taken literally, but as an exaggerated jab at his policies. 2. I thought you said you were done with this comment section for today? Change your mind?
+The Angry Pacifist Are you reffering to me? If that is the case how did I not form my own opinion? To me Trump is a rich man that suddenly decided he thought it would be to run for president despite the fact that he knows nothing about politics. For foreign relations he stated something along the lines of "I'm a likeable person so I'll just get along with other world leaders" and when a reporter asked what Trump's goals were he said "I'm not going to talk about that becauae all other politicians are all talk" and then walked away completely dodging the question and showing he doesn't have any idea of what he'll do when he's in office. And then there are those comments of blocking all Muslims from entering the us and keeping surveillance on all mosques. All that being said I don't find him to be a proper presidential candidate.
That's a good decision. I'm personally an outsider as I live in England but I've been keeping up with the American politics. Trump is insane. I honestly don't understand how he's got as far as he has. But I guess there are idiots in every country. For England we have UKIP and though they won no seats in parliament, accumulatively they had the 3rd highest number of votes.
In fallout I am BOS. I even want to get a tattoo to commemorate that. but in real life I am WAY railroad. I would play evil in a game in a heartbeat, but in real life I can barely pass a homeless guy with out dumping my wallet in their laps. This is the only reason I think they couldn't know who I vote for, just off the game alone.
+animewisher If the BOS lived lives as easy as we did and has as much to spare as us, they would be equally generous. The reason they are selfish is because the chips are down and the world is about to end. Perhaps your inner paladin would come to the surface if the world descended into another war and that homeless guy on the street would go hungry if it was him or your family.
just know you are not helping that homeless person you are hurting him you might feed him for a day but the old saying goes give a man a fish feed him for a day teach a man to fish feed him for the rest of his life
+Proudsoul1 I don't want to get into an actual ideological debate on this, but the expression you're using doesn't support your claim. Feeding someone for a day is not hurting them.
+Alex Kang it does hurt them because they rely on you and not themselves. When you are gone then what? Teach them a skill to be self reliant and you need not be there everyday. Welfare does this . we need to stop giving just enough to get by and survive and start teaching people to depend on themselves and start to live.
My Fallout: New Vegas chart: New California Republic = Middle social freedom, slightly more tech control Ceasar's Legion = Less social fredom, less tech control Mr. House = More social freedom, more tech control Some of the minor factions Brotherhood of Steel = Kinda less social freedom, more tech control Followers of the Apocalypse = More social freedom, less tech control The kings = very similar to the Followers
lol yeah he did XD thought it looked different, dont agree with the "social freedom" ether it should be "progressive social chang" more or less instead. rep like freedom and have very open rights for people own guns less tax can have differnt types of cars that dont meet epa shit and much more. the dem went to take these freedoms and give out new ones to make people feel equal
Not really, unregulated capitalism implies the concentration of wealth or capital in the hands of an economic elite. By less technological control, he means the sharing of technology amongst all, rather than a hierarchically empowered elite controlling capital such as technology. Maybe he should have phrased it as "technological equality" or "technological availability" but he was right as to what was left and what was right.
dontchewglass i get what you mean, youre mentioning corporutism, but at the same time if we are to make that comparison it would still have to invovlve the free market
In real life, I'm right-winged, but in Fallout 4, I'm left-winged. To me, it just depends on what the problems at hand are. So Fallout 4 is a bad indicator of your personal political views in real life.
Socialism and left wing economic ideas have the ability to work on very small populations were everyone is consenting to it, like in the settlements where everyone gladly works for the government and in turn gets fed and sheltered, because there aren’t enough people for any semblance of an economy
Trump is in Metal Gear Rising. I mean look at Senator Armstrong! He even says the same things! "I'LL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" Because... Nanomachines, son.
+KiRo88TheMLGNoob But before that there was also a man who would make a country great again, he even waved his finger while saying this....he also had a mustache and the country he wanted to make great again wasnt even his country of birth.....guess who iam typing about.
One big problem I have with the portrayal of the Institute in Fallout 4 is inconsistencies in their behavior. Internally, they talk about how they want to turn Boston into the great beacon of hope for all mankind. They want peace and prosperity. On the backs of an enslaved robot underclass, granted. Their focus is entirely internal. Their research on the FEV has side effects (namely: lots of Super Mutants in Boston) but they don't really care because those SMs are discarded lab specimens. Like Nick Vanentine, the scrapped humaniform robot that follows the classic Asimovian model. They only care when their experimental new Synths escape, because a: they're still experimental and haven't delivered the results yet, and b: they want to avoid the whole slave uprising scenario that they're leading humanity towards. They're well meaning, but misguided. On the surface, however, most people are afraid of Synths posing as ordinary people. "I shot this Raider guy and circuitry came out! OMG! WHAT IF MY NEIGHBOR IS ONE!" This is easily explained in the context of the story with the Railroad. They're a secretive group who fear the Institute because of their opposing views on how to deal with the emergence of digital intelligence, and because of the Institute's overwhelming firepower. They "protect" runaway Synths by implanting human backstories into them using the memory machines in ....Goodneighbor, right? Hell, if you side with the Institute, you even get a mission to collect a Synth that's unwittingly posing as a leader amongst Raiders. As far as I know, the Railroad doesn't actually implant the memories of a real person, but rather provides an artificial construct of memories that could plausibly exist, but the Railroad is secretive, remember. The general public don't know that. All they know is that occasionally when people get shot, it's circuits and lube that comes out instead of blood and guts. And they couldn't know the difference. Add people like Piper into the mix and you get mass hysteria. Because people are people, and regardless of tech level, when you give them something they can't explain, they kinda want to burn it rather than finding a way to make it part of normal understandable reality. The stories about people being replaced by synth duplicates of themselves could very easily be trumped up stories produced by the general hysteria. (It happens in real life - some people start rumors just to see how far the fire spreads.) So...that's it, right? Nope. If you go through the Institute and start reading their internal records, there's evidence that they really ARE replacing people with Synths. It's not just people being freaked out by accidentally stumbling on the Railroad's covert runaways. So...why? What does the Institute gain from doing this? What good does it do their experiments. If they're testing to see if the Synth can mimic real people, can't one of the head scientists release a synth posing as a newly recruited wastelander? (Recruitment is another of the Institute faction missions, you may recall, so that DOES happen.) That way you're using people who are known to be of above average intelligence, who have a good understanding of Synths and who may actively be trying to determine if a new recruit is a Synth or not. Surely that's the higher test of their capacity to blend in. Also, there's that whole story about the Boston Commonwealth Provisional Government or whatever it is. I think it's Preston who mentions it - a bunch of Commonwealth factions set up a meeting to ally into some kind of early government to establish overall order. The Institute sends a synth who kills everyone (I forget if it was a bomb or just lots of shooting) and sinks that entire idea. But why? What does the possibility of a wider government actually do to hurt the Institute? Wouldn't having a government on the surface be beneficial to the Institute, especially if they could have a seat as a founding member? Law and Order would make unearthing the Railroad one hell of a lot easier, for one thing. Coursers could have free reign to blend in as humans and hunt down the dissidents. They could offer up a share of crops to the Commonwealth cities in exchange for assistance in finding new power sources and other such valuable tools in furthering their research goals. They could even have a scapegoat in silencing protestors like Piper, if they took that road - after all, it's not like she has that good relations with Diamond City's government. Make a bigger government and give it some real teeth, and everyone will say the government got her, not those weird introverted scientists. Seriously, if someone gets grabbed by official looking people in the US, who are you going to assume is behind it? The US government or MIT? Sorry for the long-ass comment. It kinda irks me when writers sacrifice story consistency to force a viewpoint on me that I might not necessarily share. Morality gets complex when you look at some of these issues. If you're not comfortable with that, don't put those issues in your story. Better yet, grow up and get comfortable with it. At least some of these issues aren't simply academic.
iceteaaddict I meant that the stuff we're told they do using cheap methods like text on a computer and backstory conversations with characters is all the evil shit, whereas their actual up front story - the stuff that's told with expensive stuff like gameplay sequences and long, in depth conversation trees - presents a set of ideals that the former stuff just doesn't fit with. The two major acts that are reliably (or relatively so) attributed to the Institute that define them as the genuine bad guys are the replacing people with Synths and the whole CPG massacre thing. The thing is, replacing people with robotic simulacra of themselves really doesn't do anything in the Institute's best interests. Sure it could be argued that it's one way to test a synth's cognitive functions, but surely you could run the same experiment by having them pose as a wasteland scavenger who shows up in town. Surely getting people to trust you when they don't know you is the greater challenge. The only reason you might want to do the people-replacing thing is espionage, but the Institute is supposed to be self-absorbed...hell, the fact that they're making viable human-replacement intelligences suggests that they don't exactly have the foresight to engage in preventative espionage. Also, it's main impact on the Commonwealth is to make people hate and fear the Institute. That's fundamentally not in their best interests - see the mission for the institute where you're trying to recruit someone who's been identified as being intelligent enough to enhance the science team...who's resisting the recruitment because the Institute is scary. Well, that and, if I recall correctly, they sent an army of 1st generation synths to secure the area while they abduct - I mean....recruit - him. (Why is the army securing the area necessary - because people hate and fear the Institute for replacing people...) The CPG thing is even more clearly against the Institute's best interests. They want to be able to focus on research, which means they want to be left alone and not have to worry about issues like running the commonwealth. Having the entire area be a deathtrap that calls for sending armies of synths to recover whatever scrap of old world technology they need this week is...not exactly conducive to their acquiring said components safely. Most of the stuff they're looking for is so specialized that most of the people who would have made up the CPG wouldn't even know what to do with it - one such fetch quest you're given in their storyline is some kind of upgrade for their reactor, which is pretty much the only large scale reactor in Boston that's still in use. (Vaults yes, but they run on fusion cores, according to that one vault that requires you to fork over a couple of fusion cores before they'll let you in, so those reactors are comparatively small). Seriously, these actions have an objectively negative effect on the Institute, even if you assume they're going to be selfish assholes rather than living up to their touted ideals about helping restore Boston. And furthermore both of these actions have a *very* good alternate perpetrator that totally fits them in the storyline: The Railroad. The Railroad *does* make synths pose as people - it's how they hide runaway synths from the Institute. It's not that much of a stretch for tales about raiders turning out to be Synths (and there is at least one memory-altered Synth who's posing as a Raider, since the Institute has a mission to collect him and send him back home) to morph into "I met someone from the town over who said his brother had been replaced by a Synth." And the CPG - all of the things about it that would be beneficial to the Institute (organization in the commonwealth, peace, improved communication between settlements) make the Railroad's life that much harder. If the Institute were a founding member of the government, they could easily have the Railroad labeled as terrorists or some such - chalk them up on the threat list next to raiders, gunners, and Brotherhood of Steel infiltrators. The Railroad is already messing with the minds of Synths, and they take a lot of advice from that strategic planning robot they use (PAM) - that droid could easily predict how bad the CPG would be for the Railroad, and may even have come up with the morally abhorrent solution I'm proposing could have happened - take one Synth, program it to pose as the representative of the Institute and then take out the CPG founding council. That way, you've got the CPG idea neutered with all those leaders dead, further turmoil in the Commonwealth, making it that much easier for the Railroad to hide, and since a Synth did it, all of the blame falls nicely onto the Institute, who they want people to fear and loathe since they're then that much more likely to help out with the Railroad's activities. I'm not trying to defend the Institute - I have issues with anyone actively trying to bring about intelligent AI, particularly if they're willing to hand over weapons to that AI (If you can't find a way to implement some variant of the Three Laws of Robotics, it's entirely probable that AI will kill us all). Furthermore, their citing of plans to help the commonwealth while living in such a pristine, beautiful environment and not doing a damn thing to help the scavvers above is kinda hard to forgive. But they're lazy and self-absorbed, not overtly evil.
Here's my thought on why they wouldn't want government. Have you seen Civil War? Tony and Cap go on for an entire movie about what it means to be run by government control. Government will always change and sometimes it's not to suit the institute needs. They don't want to risk being policed. They don't want to risk having to share. They just want to go on willy nilly and keep saving the world without big brother looking over there shoulder. Yes short term they could end the railroad; but governments grow like children and one day they too will out grow there own 'Father' and rebel. Americans did it to Britian- it's bound to happen at some point. Keeping it chaotic means people won't have a chance to gain a backbone or rise up; and at that point the Institute would probably end up being the soul voice. They are far to small at this point to be creating any sort of challenge that will most likely grow at the same rate of power they do. Hence also why they do not share their toys. They have a fear of being slapped with a rule book from 117(?) countries. The Institute is the Captain Americas and The Minute men are the Tony Starks. Both incredibly powerful own there own. And the mass murder was to stop a wide spread civil war...which would kill more people then just the generals of the minutemen. In a way they save more lives then they kill or kidnap. And the fear is there to keep people from rising up to form these said groups that would pose a challenge to them... "Yea look at those minutemen and how they killed them...best not be rising up and live with the status quo so I don't get killed." This is how most people in our world live today. We all just rolls with the shit because we fear our own leaders. Institute is a VERY well thought out concept.
***** "it's a video about fucking fallout !!" Yet you argue politics in the ENTIRE comments section? You're such an unbelievable hypocrite, a typical leftist.
Gabe Merritt His entire analysis is based off that flawed graph. So when he says the institute is more Republican, he is 100% wrong. They are more Democrat.
@@arthurmorgan3260 "Liberal" Is a buzzword it can mean "classical liberal" which is what has evolved to modern libertarianism and leftist "liberalism" which is basically what the democrats are, and they are kinda socialistic The institute does have utopian ideals , which , while not Marxist , do have the same high control of the economy/technology and authoritarianism that most real-world socialist countries end up having The brotherhood is also on the left , because they are very controlling over their technology (not as much as the institute , they recruit wastelanders on a regular basis , and the wastelanders who join basically get access to brotherhood technology ) They are authoritarian , as they are , well , a military , and Arthur Maxson himself is very blunt about not allowing dissent He is wrong about the minutemen , they score high on both social and technological freedom , they dont really have much technology , but they always offer their help to whoever needs it AND they never coerce settlements into joining them, so right-libertarian is about right, they are not moderates , they actively PROMOTE social and technological freedom The Railroad scored high on social freedom but he is WRONG about their technological control They are a very secretive organisation , and they only show their tech to people they can trust ... and even then they use tactics of "strategic ignotance" all the time They are basically left-libertarian (he was right where to put them in the graph but the entiere graph is wrong and he got the facts wrong on them)
Sry but i have to call BS on this classification. Since when Railroad are about social freedom. They care ONLY about synths. If you are human or ghoul, they dont care about you even if your freedom or life is taken away by synth (Gabriel). When you ignore 99% of your population in favor of 1%, it looks like less social freedom to me. Also less technological control, since when. You have to be high ranking member is you want to trade good staff from them (ballistic weave). The only faction for less technological control are Minuteman. They are only one faction in left bottom corner. Railroad in top left corner more to the center from top and almost in the center from the left. Brotherhood and Institute are both in top right corner with Institute little bit more social freedom, because even if they enslave synths, they dont actively genoside all others than humans (ghouls, supermutants and synths). And all this only valid if we assume that synths are sentient which is debatable.
Technology doesn't correlate well to economic control and i don't know if trump's placement on the graph was quite correct. I mean I doubt the institute would be skeptical of global warming. Also the choices were often made for the effectiveness of factions. We know the BoS can get things done. The railroad is run out of a basement. The minutemen collapsed (also they were very lacking in substance; it would have been nice to see more PC control over it and more PC development of them as a faction, which we will hopefully see in ES VI).
damn I didn't think about the institute ending until I fast traveled to a couple towns and noticed that I basically put secret state police in control of every populated area of the map
I think it's funny. I took the political compass test and ended up almost getting in the exact place as Bernie Sanders yet I hate everything Bernie Sanders stands for. I don't feel like I was placed in the right category.
This video is old, but everyone's missing the point: It's that you should stop arguing and find what similarities you have with one another- If Elder Maxson would stop chasing Shaun with a baseball bat and instead have a cup of tea with him, much more would be done in the commonwealth. Same applies to the US. Screw sides or flags, it's about understanding one another.
4 Tonnes of Fury one, that was a joke. Two I'll stop calling y'all that when you stop being so goddamned aggressive with your insistence that Bernie is some sort of liberal messiah.
No, over half of the American population (and much of the world outside of the US) share your thoughts. The problem is that people have politics down to a black and white perspective (or rather red and blue) and many refuse to vote outside of their party. If the Sack of Oranges wins the nomination there will be people voting for him regardless of whether they want him president or not like zombies.
+IgnemFeram01 Not true, Donald is actually polling surprisingly high with dissatisfied Democrats. Sorry you guys have such terrible choices for your side. Many Dems will not vote for Hillary so if she gets the nomination you might as well get ready for Trump in the White House. Hell, Hillary still could end up in the Big House(Prison) I am also not convinced that loony toon Bern is even electable at all. Lots of people are sick and tired of open borders and illegal immigrants. And fewer everyday have any patience at all for Muslim/Islamic invasion through immigration. Close the borders...Trump 2016
***** "Federal policy on immigration has been founded on the “plenary power doctrine,” which holds that the political branches - the legislative and the executive - have sole power to regulate all aspects of immigration as a basic attribute of sovereignty." Dunno man, I have to assume that means they have the power if its in the best interest of the American citizenry to exclude immigration of any group it finds dangerous to the population. Pretty sure Islam is dangerous to the population of the world. Which includes the US. Ban 'em all.
I've noticed that your videos have quite a few thumbs down, but I have to say that I truly enjoy the amount of information you put into them. The amount of time and effort you've put in is very clear, and I love that you end up breaking down real life issues to game issues. You're basically teaching with the differentiated instruction method, and that's something to be proud of! Good on you!
Railroad because their whole faction is for the freedom of everyone, minutemen is actually socialist because there is no economy, everyone works for the government and the government then gives them food, water, and shelter
Templarkiller Isnt that also true in the railroad, everyone shares their stuff and thinks everyone should be equal. I think minutemen are more of people who believes in working hard and rebuilding yourself
@@templarkiller2926 wrong, the railroad are leftist all the way, they're all about "progressivism" and tge minutemen aren't commies because they're not a government, they don't give people food and water they're a militia of volunteers, they even have capitalistic exchange within settlements, plus the absence of any real central government besides a purely military leadership.
could you make a chart like the one you already did, but with all the big factions on it. (big mt, ncr, the legion, the enclave, the other brotherhood factions etc.)
He flipped it because he said that he doesn't think that it's a perfect analouge to economics. And, in truth, it isn't. The Imsititue are high control because they want to have all the tech while the railroad wants everyone to have tech and wants to redistribute the tech the inititue has. That should ring a political bell and I think that's how he organized the chart.
Sanders voter, Institute player. Like what they've done in the past or not(more on that later), the Institute is, as they say, the best hope for the commonwealth. It's difficult to run lab tests under lab conditions when you have to worry about ambient background radiation levels, unclean water, and a complete lack of methods to remove excrement, especially when you start talking about biotechnology and medicine, so when we start talking about ways to, say, Feed the commonwealth, or ways to rapidly sanitize a water supply, it gets a lot more tricky to find methods of doing that above ground. Which is to say, the Institute has the ability to establish a clean room. More to the point, the institute has something the Commonwealth Doesn't have(okay, a lot, but whatever). Free Labor. Now, we can argue all day and night about generation-3 synths and whether or not they have personal autonomy and/or are self-aware, but let's look at Generation 1 and 2 synths. Aside from a couple notable exceptions in terms of prototypes(like Nick), they're mostly just basic robots that do basic things on basic orders. Sure, they can walk and talk and make basic decisions, but they're not likely to become artists or philanthropists anytime soon on their own whim. What they Can do, however, is clean. Synth robots have the remarkable ability to work tirelessly without concern for smells or contaminants or whatever, and could be put to work cleaning up the Downtown Commonwealth, rebuilding structures, moving resources around in ways that people and Brahmins can't, and, honestly, just making the Commonwealth a better place to live. Work could be done by Synths to install a basic sewer system, repair damaged pipelines and water treatment systems, hell, they could even start rebuilding damaged or destroyed vaults in order to establish safe places for people to take shelter. If a synth gets damaged or lost due to an accident during repairs or otherwise? Who cares? Build another one. As much as we like to hate on the Institute, they have the ability to start a broad-reaching sweep of the Commonwealth, both in terms of cleaning up garbage, and also of creating a strong security force that could make it so people could sleep easy in their homes, knowing they are not going to fall victim to raiders, super mutants, or mutated bloodsucking parasites. One of the key killers in the Commonwealth is very likely not just poor sanitation, but also just... stress. Imagine being unable to sleep properly because you're constantly at fear that a deathclaw is gonna stomp their way into town and eat your face, or that a group of raiders is gonna decide you'll make a good decoration for their camp. Side note, much of the hysteria around the Institute(I told you we'd get to this) is based off of heresay, but given that the Commonwealth lacks a centralized information source, it's a lot harder to reeducate people in regards to what really happened. In order to understand the fearmongering around the Institute, we have to look at a number of incidents, chief among which being the Summit of Settlements(Yes, I know it's called something else, but I don't care), and the Broken Mask incident. The summit of settlements is used as an example of the Institute killing off leadership of settlements to keep things chaotic and decentralized, but reports are pretty heavily conflicting, as the Institute never fired a shot, and some have posited that the settlement leaders just bickered and argued until a fight broke out and they basically all killed each other, which caused the Institute to say "Screw this, we're staying underground, these guys are nuts". As for the Broken Mask incident, the people above ground claim it was the Institute's big bogeyman, and that they could be EVERYWHERE, but as we learn from records in the institute itself, the synth that went nuts and killed people was a prototype that was never supposed to have been released(Very possibly the first one released by Liam, "as a joke"), and if we look further into the Synth records in the Institute, there're really only a handful of synths actually up there(Namely a farmer, a mayor of Diamond City, though I feel he's mostly just there as a way to say "Just stop Diamond City from being really, REALLY stupid, eh?"), a singer, and a select few others) that were officially released to replace people. The rest, including the dangerous, violent killers? Were released by Liam. We know the Institute doesn't actually care about whether the commonwealth unifies, as they never send you to kill Preston Garvey, nor do they attempt to take your life for being the "general" of the minutemen. We know the Institute doesn't care about errant technology because they don't really care much about the Mechanist. We even know they're not that interested in sending supermutants above ground(though there are constant claims that they are responsible for all supermutants in the commonwealth, a patently false claim, it's just as likely that Supermutants walked there from DC), as we see Synths openly killing Supermutants in the CIT buillding. So when you break past the rumors and the fearmongering and the frankly nonsensical accusations, you start to see a group of people living underground with their own distinct culture who want to remain safe from the dangers of the above-ground people, who take action because they are threatened, and who, again, just want to be left alone. Also, you as a player run the place by the end of the game, so they're now run by either a Defense Attorney or a Soldier who's tired of war. From 200 years ago. Which means they're gonna be just fine.
Redneck Rebel Well, i think in the long term, and i have a continuing headcannon for all my fallout games, and once the NCR reaches the East Coast, i don't want pesky organizations such as the Fascisits of steal or Institute in their way. Don't tread on the bear!
+skynetswing In this more modern, more enlightened age, we do not have people rule over us, but tenets. The rules, themselves. Now we just need to stop making so many of them... There should be a review-and-repeal board! :P
Can Fallout 4 Predict Who You're Voting For In 2016? SURE! Hilary WARMONGER Clinton CAN'T WIN! THE WORLD SAYS "THANK YOU"! Because if she wins, there will be a real life fallout =x
Based on your chart, the way I see the factions are as follows: Institute Republicans BOS Libertarians Minutemen Democrats (or moderates, either is possible) Railroad Green Party
The Brotherhood and the Minutemen would both be Republicans as they both emphasis different aspects of the Republican party. The Brotherhood is the military aspect and the Minutemen almost perfectly embody the reasoj6 for the second amendment.
Darkest Night So apparently wanting to be paid the same as men, not wanting a 1 in 5 chance of being raped, and wanting men to feel the same kind of emotions is world domination? Okay buddy, whatever you say...
+Generic Name I for one am a American nationalist. I certainly much rather have a nationalist unelected American government in the wastes that seeks to destroy the many threats to myself than have no government at all. And personally I find Eden's words inspiring. I don't consider myself republican but I will likely vote republican this coming election.
You do realise that the Super Mutants are incredibly Socialist? One reason why Strong believes that Super Mutants are better is because they share everything, which is a Socialists wet dream.
+LagsOut i'm dutch you idiot. i would be suprised if you even know were that is. btw if the news doesn't show me something about him, then i can't learn something about him
Why do people announce that they are unsubscribing? I assure you the channel does not care, thousands of people told that shit to the Fine Bros yet they are still in the millions and don't care. Just unsubscribe quietly and leave, I don't get it.
Bernie wouldn't be for economic freedom. Social democrats like Bernie are all for bringing the classes closer together, and if you go more extreme that way like socialism it is the "government controlling the factors of production". Trump eh screw him, but Republicans are closer to capitalism, which is when "individuals control factors of production". All in all, republicans would be more economically free, and democrats would be less. But personally I disagree with both parties. #Libertarianism
A pretty cool trick in fallout 4 I just found out is if you complete the Brotherhood quest line, you can go to the Cambridge police station then kill all the soldiers (betraying the Brotherhood.) then talk to Preston (that's if you completed most of the Minutemen quests) and he'll tell you that it's time to destroy the Brotherhood.
Institute - Donald Trump Brotherhood - Ted Cruiz Railroad - Hilary Clinton Minuteman - Bernie Sanders Strangely enough I worked a bit for the Brotherhood but finished the game with the Institute and I prefer Donald Trump than Ted Cruiz and absolutely hate MM & RR. Republican by heart.
Totally honest reply - my first playthrough I sided with the instutite. Next I went BoS (because canon) and then Railroad. I was a Sanders delegate last year and was happy to cast no vote in the general election. I still have yet to finish the neutral Minuteman storyline. So yeah, I think it's probably not a good correlation although I can take a guess and say that the anarcho kiddies really enjoyed Nuka-World.
The Minutemen ending where you keep the Brotherhood AND the Railroad alive is the general "good" ending to fallout 4 Where you basically dont have to take sides in the whole "are synths human or not" debate that Bethesda tried shoving down our throats with this game
For me, the choice was based off of which trait each faction represented. The institute was the love of family. The Brotherhood was honor. The railroad was morality. The Minutemen were charity. And since I value my family above all else, I chose the institute.
I started going for the minutemen on my first playthrough, til I realized just how much work it is getting settlements going throughout the commonwealth... my god. I like settlements but doing all the work myself is tiring and it gets boring. If I could share that burden of work and not be the only person building and managing these places, maybe I'd like it more. But helping the minutemen kinda sucks.
Wait, why does Austin claim that the right is strictly socially authoritarian? I mean, that faction certainly exists, particularly within the religious right, but that entirely disregards the libertarian right.
Neither Trump nor Hillary have promised me power armor upgrades, so I don't think my choice is particularly indicative.
Best comment of all time
Bernie for power armor 2020
I just hope Sanders doesn't call me every ten minutes to inform me of a town that needs me to do some odd jobs or build fences
+ZeroHazard actually a job sounds nice now that I think about it
+ZeroHazard LOL.
+Caden Sierre You really have no life do you? Nothing better than to reply to these comments. Pathetic. Get a job
+Caden Sierre So you are all for raising mediocrity as well as genocide. wah wah.
+ZeroHazard He's going to call you when you start making big bux and make you give all of your money to the people who have made poor choices.
It isn't just me who finds Hillary's face and expressions creepy...right?
Same
I know, right?
I find that she is very ugly and stupid Trump FTW
its because shes a synth
cold 187um
My god...you're right! She must have been made in Russia and sent to America to destroy you all!
> Polish Conservatives
> Shows EU Flags
P I C K O N E
How did they know I'm voting for Kanye in 2020?
They're damn synths!!
+The Bad Ass fucking nazi
Khajiit Genocide
Really?
Im voting for Bon Jovi.
Aged like fine wine
Trump is gonna make the wasteland great again!
+Elis Aron But first he has and is going to make the wasteland.
Khorned Beef . have you been to california during the drought ?, or new jersey ?or detriot ?
You know who's gonna make fallout 5? Trump and its gonna be the most realistic game yet
Elis Aron You know whit the north korea shit. and Kim jun un shit , and Trump. probbably will end our world
+Elis Aron this coment needs to go to the top!!!
The Railroad should of taken over the institute facility instead of destroying it.
Lazy writing...
@@freevertibirdrides7437 *insert lame comment about how Bethesda sucks which has been copy pasted 1000 times cause im too lazy to form an actual opinion*
@@brandonc5074 Aaawww, u mad?:)
@@brandonc5074 Railroad's final quest is the perfect example of lazy writing though. Not to mention BoS ending, which was even lazier copypaste from F3. Now, thanks to fanboys like you we've got Whatever 76.
@@freevertibirdrides7437 ah who can forget the epic moral struggle of F3, options like: Enclave (genocidal cunts) Outcast (techno klepto) BoS (the one you have to choose). What a thrilling struggle between two BoS sides fighting for illogical reasons driven by semantics whilst actual bond villains do cartoonishly evil shit.
Almost no one in the lower right? Really? The Libertarian party collectively walks off defeated and glum :(
Welll... that's how it hashes out in real life, isn't it?
Well I think he meant notable figures though
they're not libertarians, they're feudalists that suck police dick, and not in a gay way.
No he flipped the axis the railroad and minuteman are both lib right
Didn't go Brotherhood of Steel, the leader has a sweet jacket... I needed it
+Jacob Breckel I think that may be the anarchy ticket.
LoL same
If bethesda made him pickpocketable (that's a word now) then you could pickpocket it from him the final pickpocket level
its only 30 defense. u didnt miss out much
lol
We want equal rights for our turrets and toasters!!!
Is using toasters for scrap slavery?
+Zyax I had to. Another settlement needed my help
+Brenden Elkins Or murder?
i put my dick in my toaster and it popped up, does that make it rape?
ferrariteddy Was it consensual?
A few things (from an MA in Public Policy Economics, if that matters).
"Technological control" is a bit too narrow--"Resource control" makes more sense as an analogue for economic control, especially when the BoS from other Fallout games is taken into account. The BoS basically gave away water, probably the most important resource, to friendly settlements in the Capitol Wastes, but it was a (poorly executed) form of social control (they didn't give water to raiders, after all). That scooches them a bit to the right, economically and also a bit closer to the social authoritarian edge.
I also think that the Institute is much more economically controlling than you give them credit for when you expand your definition. Sure, they covet tech, but they also withhold the fruits of their technology from the rest of the Commonwealth. Literally... they have a bunch of radiation-free fruit (and other foodstuffs), not to mention weaponry, armor, and medicine. The rest of the Commonwealth can just eat mutfruit, for all they care.
I also think that the Brotherhood of Steel is much more... genocide-y than one on the south side of the Social Control scale would be. Synths (which are basically people, in many cases), those who harbor synths, Ghouls (both feral and non-feral), and Super Mutants (we have demonstrated to not be beyond rehabilitation) are all targeted for systematic extermination... which would drive the BoS waaaaay up the Social Control scale to Nazi-like levels.
Also, the Minutemen, at least in practice (as far as gameplay would allow), are basically Communists. They build settlements and help people, yes, but let's look at the facts.
*Settlers are arbitrarily assigned work (since their skillsets are not defined in game)
*Settlers are paid in only food, shelter, and protection for their labor
*Settlers' property is easily confiscatable by authorities, with no protections for individual rights
*All excess resources created by a settler are unquestionably turned over to the authorities for redistribution, reinvestment, or personal use by the player
*All decisions related to resource allocation are made by a central authority
Let's face it: If you're heavily invested in Minutemen Quests, you're basically (at best) a benevolent dictator.
+Matt Pearl Ah! This is insightful!
After 30 minutes of reading coments this is the first really good one I've come across.
+Matt Pearl Well shit. I guess that makes our LS a traitorous, pinko Commie?
>Communism
>Dictator
>pick one
+MemeMaster Gigan Stalin "didn't"
This vid got somethings right and a some wrong. It might be true that the Brotherhood of Steel are rightwingers and the Railroad are leftwingers, but the other two are completely mixed up. The Minutemen are ultra-conservatives, maybe even Constitutionalists because they have the whole grassroots return-things-to-the-way-they-were vibe, and believe in fostering self sufficient local communities instead a large centralized government. Also the Institute is definitely far-left, and would be in the upper left corner of the graph. This is evidenced by their willingness to sacrifice human life for "the greater good," much like Stalin and other communist leaders, or like how leftists are willing to support abortion to prevent human overpopulation. Also the Institute are scientists, and the left has long claimed that it is less religious and more scientific than the right.
I would also bag the question, is it liberal to change things even if it means bringing things back to the way they were? or is it conservative? I think the political spectrum has to be measured based on the current state of your country.
one other thing, which side is nature on. ...and which side is nurture?
Nah the Minutemen and Railroad are Leftwing Anarchists. The Minutemen are more Vanguard than the Railroad.
Y'all guys are all wrong.
The brotherhood of steel are rightwingers/facist, thats obvious. But the Railroad is definitely neo-liberal. They stand up for equality but they dont support the normal wasteland citizens at all. Desdemona critizises the "normal people" very often. while the minutemen stand up for the wastelanders, settlers and normal people, they are definitely a socialist peoples-army, the soldiers are "proletarians" and they support the "proletarians" and they want to create a state ruled by the "proletarians"/wastelanders. they build settlements where all food, all recourses, almost everything belongs to everybody/the minutemen. no one has their own property, thats definitely socialist/communist ideoligy. and the institute guys are just absolutists/imperialists, they want to overthrow the commonwealth.
Changing things to the way they used to be is reactionary.
I suppose it gets it's name from how reactonaries react to change (in this instance, the nuclear war and downfall of society) and wish to undo that change.
Wait so does this mean the Brotherhood are Libertarians?
You telling me Arthur Maxson is Rand Paul?
+CygnusX1 No. He had the X axis backwards when he did that part. If tech was like the economy then Tech control should have gone to the left and Tech freedom to the right. So the Railroad would be Libertarian, the Minutemen would be moderate conservatives (think democrats that voted for Reagan), the Institute would be Stalin, and the Arthur Maxson be literally Hitler. You, could probably change the institute and BoS back and forth as you wish since it's not a perfect analogy but you get my point.
MrGrenade McBoom Ah yes, anyone even remotely authoritarian is "literally Hitler". Good job.
***** I think the Brotherhood are more Thatcherism imo. Classic Conservatives.
CygnusX1 we're talking about fictional characters in an alternate and fictional digital universe, lighten up. Besides, it's impossible for him to be "literally" Hitler by the very definition of literally so I was obviously being facetious.
***** Thatcherism was heavily militaristic. Look at the Falklands.
Trump is a major investor in ZeniMax media. A vote for Trump is a vote for Todd Howard.
But then again the Institute is right so what do I know
He only invests because he knows there is money in it for him. Zenimax is a pretty good company to invest in rn.
2 notes
1. Democrats are also in the same vicinity as the republicans according to the same political compass. They're just really good at fronting for liberals much like the GOP is at fronting for the conservatives. But the US is still mostly conservative leaning leaders
2. Also MM is the least evil ending since you can still spare BOS & RR but there have to be specific quests you have to ignore and get kicked from the institute at a specific point in the game. There is a video somewhere online.
+Leonardo Huizar (LeoHwzr) Hey, this is Austin. You're totally right about #1. I wasn't trying to make some sort of statement about anything by only saying Republicans there. I did include a political compass chart later that illustrates that, but yeah, you're right. I should have said "most democrat and republican candidates are upper-righters." Better luck next time, hah.
+Twenty-Something Nerd No prob, its cool.
+Leonardo Huizar (LeoHwzr) On my first playthrough I sided with the Minutemen and didn't have to kill any factions. Weird that ppl have to look up a video tutorial.
+Twenty-Something Nerd Are you going to change your username on your thirtieth Birthday?
+Leonardo Huizar (LeoHwzr) Yeah, not sure what I did right but Preston never sent me on a mission to attack the Railroad or BoS. Though I do have a mission from the Railroad to attack a BoS patrol but I have ignored it with my MM loyal toon so far.
I'm playing a Railroad loyal toon now and I just recently went into the Institute. The mission to attack the BoS hasn't happened yet but I get the feeling it's coming. While the BoS comes across as overly militaristic and intolerant there are members who seem like good people. Scribe Haylen seems genuinely nice and Paladin Danse, while dedicated to be sure to the BoS cause doesn't seem as hardcore as Elder Maxon.
Even though I'm doing a Railroad centered play through this time I still build settlement for the MM and the video hinted at the MM being sort of in line with Bernie Sanders which I found laughable. The BoS is all about TAKING technology just as much as Bernie is about taking other peoples wealth.
Honestly I think its more likely that:
Brotherhood of steel - Auth right
Institute - Auth left
Railroad - Lib left
Minutemen - Lib right
It's almost like that's how it was intended by the devs based on the way each factions overarching worldview, actions and what not but I could be wrong.
The Minutemen are straight up communists, everyone has access to the means of production, food, ammo etc.
When he switched the economy and technology he also switched more and less control. Which means everything in Fallout should be reflected across the y axis
You are correct. He especially got the Minutemen and Institute completely backwards politically :/
Feel the Nuclear Bern...
+Keegan Ball Railroad?
kit parsons I actually ended up siding with The Institute when it came down to it. But I totally agree with the Railroad's idea's of synths. They're just as human as us :)
+Keegan Ball I agree, though I side more with the Brotherhood
+kit parsons (meowmx69)
For me it was the Minutemen. You can help synths by allying the railroad, take down the Brotherhood to stop them from militarily controlling the Commonwealth, and let us face it, they would go after anyone who was a threat to THEM. Not anyone else. If the Insitutes technology was not high but they were still doing things, the Brotherhood would care faaaar less. Plus you can take down the Institute who is quite clearly sinister, despite technological advances, they are doing horrific things such as experimentation on people with the FEV, kidnapping men, women and children and so on. So the Minutemen was the best choice, especially seeing as the Minutemen ARE the Commonwealth. Every person who joins is likely from one of the Commonwealth settlements so it makes more sense.
+Strong
Synths are pretty much another wasteland race. Like Ghouls, Humans and Supermutants. Intelligent enough to be considered sentient.
I joined the Minutemen. I want to build a better future for the people of the wasteland :)
And I definitely will not be voting for Sanders or Clinton...
+Diraphe Sanders or Clinton? If I may make a suggestion, if you have to vote Democrat try to get someone other than those two at the top of the nomination, because they are both really bad candidates. Come on, I know you guys have better people then those two right?
And if you have to choose between those two, please vote Bernie. I don't like the economically uneducated commie but he is at least a million times better than that witch Clinton.
***** Two Things:
1. I know he's not actually communist. My calling him a "commie" is the same idea used when someone might call someone else a "nazi" for holding any kind of authoritarian perspective. It is a method of insult through exaggeration and comparison. It is not meant to be taken literally, but as an exaggerated jab at his policies.
2. I thought you said you were done with this comment section for today? Change your mind?
Mistress Bedlam
I said "Will not" vote for Clinton or Sanders. Hell will freeze over before I vote for a Dem ;)
Diraphe Ah my mistake, I misread your comment. Sorry about that Conservo-Friend.
Jan Brady Was he? If so that is very interesting. Do you have any sources to verify that?
vote for me and i will make sure i will send you to every settlement in the world
Skyrim Guard: let me guess someone stole your sweet roll
Gonna vote for literally anyone besides Trump
someone doesn't wanna make america great again :(
yea vote for chillary chilton or bernie the communist
+James Miller How's the faux news propaganda?
+The Angry Pacifist Are you reffering to me? If that is the case how did I not form my own opinion? To me Trump is a rich man that suddenly decided he thought it would be to run for president despite the fact that he knows nothing about politics. For foreign relations he stated something along the lines of "I'm a likeable person so I'll just get along with other world leaders" and when a reporter asked what Trump's goals were he said "I'm not going to talk about that becauae all other politicians are all talk" and then walked away completely dodging the question and showing he doesn't have any idea of what he'll do when he's in office. And then there are those comments of blocking all Muslims from entering the us and keeping surveillance on all mosques. All that being said I don't find him to be a proper presidential candidate.
That's a good decision. I'm personally an outsider as I live in England but I've been keeping up with the American politics. Trump is insane. I honestly don't understand how he's got as far as he has. But I guess there are idiots in every country. For England we have UKIP and though they won no seats in parliament, accumulatively they had the 3rd highest number of votes.
In fallout I am BOS. I even want to get a tattoo to commemorate that. but in real life I am WAY railroad. I would play evil in a game in a heartbeat, but in real life I can barely pass a homeless guy with out dumping my wallet in their laps.
This is the only reason I think they couldn't know who I vote for, just off the game alone.
+animewisher cute fox
+animewisher
If the BOS lived lives as easy as we did and has as much to spare as us, they would be equally generous.
The reason they are selfish is because the chips are down and the world is about to end.
Perhaps your inner paladin would come to the surface if the world descended into another war and that homeless guy on the street would go hungry if it was him or your family.
just know you are not helping that homeless person you are hurting him you might feed him for a day but the old saying goes give a man a fish feed him for a day teach a man to fish feed him for the rest of his life
+Proudsoul1 I don't want to get into an actual ideological debate on this, but the expression you're using doesn't support your claim. Feeding someone for a day is not hurting them.
+Alex Kang it does hurt them because they rely on you and not themselves. When you are gone then what? Teach them a skill to be self reliant and you need not be there everyday. Welfare does this . we need to stop giving just enough to get by and survive and start teaching people to depend on themselves and start to live.
"These factions in Fallout aren't perfect analogues for modern day political parties."
REALLY?
for all the fallout fans i only have one thing to say about politics.
ALL HAIL THE REPUBLIC OF DAVE!!!!
All hail the Master.
God bless the enclave
My Fallout: New Vegas chart:
New California Republic = Middle social freedom, slightly more tech control
Ceasar's Legion = Less social fredom, less tech control
Mr. House = More social freedom, more tech control
Some of the minor factions
Brotherhood of Steel = Kinda less social freedom, more tech control
Followers of the Apocalypse = More social freedom, less tech control
The kings = very similar to the Followers
+Undead Viking Actually, maybe the BoS should have even less social freedom... it kinda comes down to each member
+Undead Viking I was about to argue that you had failed to put Yes Man on the chart, but since his endings are a bit varied, I can understand why.
CuddlezFurLucifer Exactly my reason, the yes-man/indipendant/wild-card ending is basically "whatever you choose as a character"
I chose the best ending possible, where most sides are cooperative. But this is coming from a Libertarian Socialist myself.
+Robert Ciamei Which explains the AutoDoc device that Caesar reserves for his best warriors and himself.
Vermin Supreme 2016!!!
Which faction is the most Vermin Supreme-esque?
+Kodo Kadodododododododododododododo minutemen, they function similarly to anarchists.
+Kodo Kadodododododododododododododo I would have to say the minutemen.
i fucked up the left and right. left is more tech control while right is less. u compare tech the economic control
*u fucked up
lol yeah he did XD thought it looked different, dont agree with the "social freedom" ether it should be "progressive social chang" more or less instead. rep like freedom and have very open rights for people own guns less tax can have differnt types of cars that dont meet epa shit and much more. the dem went to take these freedoms and give out new ones to make people feel equal
Not really, unregulated capitalism implies the concentration of wealth or capital in the hands of an economic elite. By less technological control, he means the sharing of technology amongst all, rather than a hierarchically empowered elite controlling capital such as technology. Maybe he should have phrased it as "technological equality" or "technological availability" but he was right as to what was left and what was right.
dontchewglass i get what you mean, youre mentioning corporutism, but at the same time if we are to make that comparison it would still have to invovlve the free market
In real life, I'm right-winged, but in Fallout 4, I'm left-winged. To me, it just depends on what the problems at hand are. So Fallout 4 is a bad indicator of your personal political views in real life.
Valiant Protector of Kekistan PRAISE KEK
Socialism and left wing economic ideas have the ability to work on very small populations were everyone is consenting to it, like in the settlements where everyone gladly works for the government and in turn gets fed and sheltered, because there aren’t enough people for any semblance of an economy
@Rambonus Ravager well they are actualy anarcho communist because they are a small community that helps eachother for survival
feel the bern of the institutes lazer rifles
Arathorn Dezeus lol
Trump is in Metal Gear Rising. I mean look at Senator Armstrong! He even says the same things! "I'LL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" Because...
Nanomachines, son.
+KiRo88TheMLGNoob YOU CAN'T HURT ME, BERNIE
bootyhunter1851 DON'T FUCK WITH THIS SENATOR. *random crowd cheers*
+KiRo88TheMLGNoob But before that there was also a man who would make a country great again, he even waved his finger while saying this....he also had a mustache and the country he wanted to make great again wasnt even his country of birth.....guess who iam typing about.
Is it stuck on 60 views for anyone else? :O
me to
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SENPAI!!!!!!!
GEHAB youre one of my favorite youtubers.
Me too
One big problem I have with the portrayal of the Institute in Fallout 4 is inconsistencies in their behavior. Internally, they talk about how they want to turn Boston into the great beacon of hope for all mankind. They want peace and prosperity. On the backs of an enslaved robot underclass, granted. Their focus is entirely internal. Their research on the FEV has side effects (namely: lots of Super Mutants in Boston) but they don't really care because those SMs are discarded lab specimens. Like Nick Vanentine, the scrapped humaniform robot that follows the classic Asimovian model. They only care when their experimental new Synths escape, because a: they're still experimental and haven't delivered the results yet, and b: they want to avoid the whole slave uprising scenario that they're leading humanity towards. They're well meaning, but misguided.
On the surface, however, most people are afraid of Synths posing as ordinary people. "I shot this Raider guy and circuitry came out! OMG! WHAT IF MY NEIGHBOR IS ONE!" This is easily explained in the context of the story with the Railroad. They're a secretive group who fear the Institute because of their opposing views on how to deal with the emergence of digital intelligence, and because of the Institute's overwhelming firepower. They "protect" runaway Synths by implanting human backstories into them using the memory machines in ....Goodneighbor, right? Hell, if you side with the Institute, you even get a mission to collect a Synth that's unwittingly posing as a leader amongst Raiders. As far as I know, the Railroad doesn't actually implant the memories of a real person, but rather provides an artificial construct of memories that could plausibly exist, but the Railroad is secretive, remember. The general public don't know that. All they know is that occasionally when people get shot, it's circuits and lube that comes out instead of blood and guts. And they couldn't know the difference. Add people like Piper into the mix and you get mass hysteria. Because people are people, and regardless of tech level, when you give them something they can't explain, they kinda want to burn it rather than finding a way to make it part of normal understandable reality. The stories about people being replaced by synth duplicates of themselves could very easily be trumped up stories produced by the general hysteria. (It happens in real life - some people start rumors just to see how far the fire spreads.)
So...that's it, right? Nope. If you go through the Institute and start reading their internal records, there's evidence that they really ARE replacing people with Synths. It's not just people being freaked out by accidentally stumbling on the Railroad's covert runaways.
So...why? What does the Institute gain from doing this? What good does it do their experiments. If they're testing to see if the Synth can mimic real people, can't one of the head scientists release a synth posing as a newly recruited wastelander? (Recruitment is another of the Institute faction missions, you may recall, so that DOES happen.) That way you're using people who are known to be of above average intelligence, who have a good understanding of Synths and who may actively be trying to determine if a new recruit is a Synth or not. Surely that's the higher test of their capacity to blend in.
Also, there's that whole story about the Boston Commonwealth Provisional Government or whatever it is. I think it's Preston who mentions it - a bunch of Commonwealth factions set up a meeting to ally into some kind of early government to establish overall order. The Institute sends a synth who kills everyone (I forget if it was a bomb or just lots of shooting) and sinks that entire idea. But why? What does the possibility of a wider government actually do to hurt the Institute? Wouldn't having a government on the surface be beneficial to the Institute, especially if they could have a seat as a founding member? Law and Order would make unearthing the Railroad one hell of a lot easier, for one thing. Coursers could have free reign to blend in as humans and hunt down the dissidents. They could offer up a share of crops to the Commonwealth cities in exchange for assistance in finding new power sources and other such valuable tools in furthering their research goals. They could even have a scapegoat in silencing protestors like Piper, if they took that road - after all, it's not like she has that good relations with Diamond City's government. Make a bigger government and give it some real teeth, and everyone will say the government got her, not those weird introverted scientists. Seriously, if someone gets grabbed by official looking people in the US, who are you going to assume is behind it? The US government or MIT?
Sorry for the long-ass comment. It kinda irks me when writers sacrifice story consistency to force a viewpoint on me that I might not necessarily share. Morality gets complex when you look at some of these issues. If you're not comfortable with that, don't put those issues in your story. Better yet, grow up and get comfortable with it. At least some of these issues aren't simply academic.
Yeah the institute is backwards and hypocritical, that's kind of the point
They say they care about the commonwealth but do nothing to help and only do things for their own gain
iceteaaddict
I meant that the stuff we're told they do using cheap methods like text on a computer and backstory conversations with characters is all the evil shit, whereas their actual up front story - the stuff that's told with expensive stuff like gameplay sequences and long, in depth conversation trees - presents a set of ideals that the former stuff just doesn't fit with.
The two major acts that are reliably (or relatively so) attributed to the Institute that define them as the genuine bad guys are the replacing people with Synths and the whole CPG massacre thing.
The thing is, replacing people with robotic simulacra of themselves really doesn't do anything in the Institute's best interests. Sure it could be argued that it's one way to test a synth's cognitive functions, but surely you could run the same experiment by having them pose as a wasteland scavenger who shows up in town. Surely getting people to trust you when they don't know you is the greater challenge. The only reason you might want to do the people-replacing thing is espionage, but the Institute is supposed to be self-absorbed...hell, the fact that they're making viable human-replacement intelligences suggests that they don't exactly have the foresight to engage in preventative espionage. Also, it's main impact on the Commonwealth is to make people hate and fear the Institute. That's fundamentally not in their best interests - see the mission for the institute where you're trying to recruit someone who's been identified as being intelligent enough to enhance the science team...who's resisting the recruitment because the Institute is scary. Well, that and, if I recall correctly, they sent an army of 1st generation synths to secure the area while they abduct - I mean....recruit - him. (Why is the army securing the area necessary - because people hate and fear the Institute for replacing people...)
The CPG thing is even more clearly against the Institute's best interests. They want to be able to focus on research, which means they want to be left alone and not have to worry about issues like running the commonwealth. Having the entire area be a deathtrap that calls for sending armies of synths to recover whatever scrap of old world technology they need this week is...not exactly conducive to their acquiring said components safely. Most of the stuff they're looking for is so specialized that most of the people who would have made up the CPG wouldn't even know what to do with it - one such fetch quest you're given in their storyline is some kind of upgrade for their reactor, which is pretty much the only large scale reactor in Boston that's still in use. (Vaults yes, but they run on fusion cores, according to that one vault that requires you to fork over a couple of fusion cores before they'll let you in, so those reactors are comparatively small).
Seriously, these actions have an objectively negative effect on the Institute, even if you assume they're going to be selfish assholes rather than living up to their touted ideals about helping restore Boston. And furthermore both of these actions have a *very* good alternate perpetrator that totally fits them in the storyline: The Railroad. The Railroad *does* make synths pose as people - it's how they hide runaway synths from the Institute. It's not that much of a stretch for tales about raiders turning out to be Synths (and there is at least one memory-altered Synth who's posing as a Raider, since the Institute has a mission to collect him and send him back home) to morph into "I met someone from the town over who said his brother had been replaced by a Synth." And the CPG - all of the things about it that would be beneficial to the Institute (organization in the commonwealth, peace, improved communication between settlements) make the Railroad's life that much harder. If the Institute were a founding member of the government, they could easily have the Railroad labeled as terrorists or some such - chalk them up on the threat list next to raiders, gunners, and Brotherhood of Steel infiltrators. The Railroad is already messing with the minds of Synths, and they take a lot of advice from that strategic planning robot they use (PAM) - that droid could easily predict how bad the CPG would be for the Railroad, and may even have come up with the morally abhorrent solution I'm proposing could have happened - take one Synth, program it to pose as the representative of the Institute and then take out the CPG founding council. That way, you've got the CPG idea neutered with all those leaders dead, further turmoil in the Commonwealth, making it that much easier for the Railroad to hide, and since a Synth did it, all of the blame falls nicely onto the Institute, who they want people to fear and loathe since they're then that much more likely to help out with the Railroad's activities.
I'm not trying to defend the Institute - I have issues with anyone actively trying to bring about intelligent AI, particularly if they're willing to hand over weapons to that AI (If you can't find a way to implement some variant of the Three Laws of Robotics, it's entirely probable that AI will kill us all). Furthermore, their citing of plans to help the commonwealth while living in such a pristine, beautiful environment and not doing a damn thing to help the scavvers above is kinda hard to forgive. But they're lazy and self-absorbed, not overtly evil.
Here's my thought on why they wouldn't want government. Have you seen Civil War? Tony and Cap go on for an entire movie about what it means to be run by government control. Government will always change and sometimes it's not to suit the institute needs. They don't want to risk being policed. They don't want to risk having to share. They just want to go on willy nilly and keep saving the world without big brother looking over there shoulder.
Yes short term they could end the railroad; but governments grow like children and one day they too will out grow there own 'Father' and rebel. Americans did it to Britian- it's bound to happen at some point.
Keeping it chaotic means people won't have a chance to gain a backbone or rise up; and at that point the Institute would probably end up being the soul voice. They are far to small at this point to be creating any sort of challenge that will most likely grow at the same rate of power they do.
Hence also why they do not share their toys. They have a fear of being slapped with a rule book from 117(?) countries.
The Institute is the Captain Americas and The Minute men are the Tony Starks. Both incredibly powerful own there own. And the mass murder was to stop a wide spread civil war...which would kill more people then just the generals of the minutemen. In a way they save more lives then they kill or kidnap.
And the fear is there to keep people from rising up to form these said groups that would pose a challenge to them...
"Yea look at those minutemen and how they killed them...best not be rising up and live with the status quo so I don't get killed."
This is how most people in our world live today. We all just rolls with the shit because we fear our own leaders.
Institute is a VERY well thought out concept.
Wow.... ShoddyCast. You've started something here. Look at all these comments. Am glad am a Patron of your channel. Keep up the good work.
I am a patron of ShoddyCast and no, I am not being sarcastic.
+Caden Sierre What do you mean "just checking"? Are you some fucking form of political correctness police?
***** "it's a video about fucking fallout !!"
Yet you argue politics in the ENTIRE comments section? You're such an unbelievable hypocrite, a typical leftist.
***** Also, Bernie is very much pro-PC and pro-SJWism.
***** No comeback from you? Disappointing.
5:53
More economic control = Less technological control? Less Economic control = More technological control? Way to be 100% wrong.
just mirror the graph if its that big of a deal. He made his point
Gabe Merritt
His entire analysis is based off that flawed graph. So when he says the institute is more Republican, he is 100% wrong. They are more Democrat.
@@nottiredofwinning3736 Exactly :/
Not Tired of Winning How are they liberal?
@@arthurmorgan3260 "Liberal"
Is a buzzword
it can mean "classical liberal" which is what has evolved to modern libertarianism
and leftist "liberalism"
which is basically what the democrats are, and they are kinda socialistic
The institute does have utopian ideals , which , while not Marxist , do have the same high control of the economy/technology and authoritarianism that most real-world socialist countries end up having
The brotherhood is also on the left , because they are very controlling over their technology (not as much as the institute , they recruit wastelanders on a regular basis , and the wastelanders who join basically get access to brotherhood technology )
They are authoritarian , as they are , well , a military , and Arthur Maxson himself is very blunt about not allowing dissent
He is wrong about the minutemen , they score high on both social and technological freedom , they dont really have much technology , but they always offer their help to whoever needs it AND they never coerce settlements into joining them, so right-libertarian is about right, they are not moderates , they actively PROMOTE social and technological freedom
The Railroad scored high on social freedom but he is WRONG about their technological control
They are a very secretive organisation , and they only show their tech to people they can trust ... and even then they use tactics of "strategic ignotance" all the time
They are basically left-libertarian (he was right where to put them in the graph but the entiere graph is wrong and he got the facts wrong on them)
I'm with the Brotherhood of Steel
Same.
me to
Ad Victoriam
+That random Minutemen in power armor Ad Victoriam brother
AD VICTORIAM
I just recently found your channel, and I have to say I'm loving everyone so far :)
Sry but i have to call BS on this classification. Since when Railroad are about social freedom. They care ONLY about synths. If you are human or ghoul, they dont care about you even if your freedom or life is taken away by synth (Gabriel). When you ignore 99% of your population in favor of 1%, it looks like less social freedom to me. Also less technological control, since when. You have to be high ranking member is you want to trade good staff from them (ballistic weave). The only faction for less technological control are Minuteman. They are only one faction in left bottom corner. Railroad in top left corner more to the center from top and almost in the center from the left. Brotherhood and Institute are both in top right corner with Institute little bit more social freedom, because even if they enslave synths, they dont actively genoside all others than humans (ghouls, supermutants and synths). And all this only valid if we assume that synths are sentient which is debatable.
The Voting Booth - A Suggestion Box for Slaves
Not coming up with one Libertarian candidate to put in the south east corner was kind of weak..
***** Ghandi is not running... He was still on there..
***** Are you fucking kidding me? Ayn Rand?
***** If she's not famous enough.. I don't know who is.
+Caden Sierre Ron Paul is
+Caden Sierre Ron Paul is
yeah that's great and all, but i must know where he found his desktop background
Eric Lee fr
I really like his background art for his computer always has a new one
can I have that desktop wallpaper plox?
nvm, found it i.imgur.com/xoqxAu6.jpg
+Mr Pancake literally what i was going to post before i looked down the comments. thank you sir.
+Mr Pancake u are awesome bro
they should make a mod that replaces synths with anime like cyborgs so you can die by their fabulousness
+Cody Pechanec no weeb shit pls
So in Fallout 4 my son became the Trumpster. Fuck Bethesda, why!?
Make the Institute Great Again!!! Vote for the Father
I'd vote for shawn.
Can I have 300 dollars?
When Shaun got to the Institute he got a small loan of a million caps.
Technology doesn't correlate well to economic control and i don't know if trump's placement on the graph was quite correct. I mean I doubt the institute would be skeptical of global warming. Also the choices were often made for the effectiveness of factions. We know the BoS can get things done. The railroad is run out of a basement. The minutemen collapsed (also they were very lacking in substance; it would have been nice to see more PC control over it and more PC development of them as a faction, which we will hopefully see in ES VI).
Wait, the Diamond City Mayor is a Synth? I had my suspicions, but never looked into it.
+Darrin Smith quicksave, cap him in the head a couple times... and loot his synthetics.
done.
2 months late to the party but whatever - he's essential you can't kill him lmao
(until the quest that is)
Will H
www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/837/?
deanna smith shhhh I'm a console peasant :')
Will H
soon...
damn I didn't think about the institute ending until I fast traveled to a couple towns and noticed that I basically put secret state police in control of every populated area of the map
well i chose BoS byt my irl ideology is closer to minutemen
i want the desktop background, anyone know who is in it or something?
thanks, thanks a lot
+Eragur oh shit thanks
Shout out to you Shoddy for presenting a moderate unbiased intelligent view on something that too often creates such terrible anger and vitriol.
I like the message you gave at the end. I'm betting a lot of people missed it or even just didn't think about it if they did.
MAKE THE WASTELAND GREAT AGAIN
how's the Austro-hungarian empire going these days?
+sinecurve9999 Mate he's Hohenzollern, that's the German empire.
+sinecurve9999 omg, this is the best
+DogdyGuyOnTheInternett Y u sad? sad me.
I ItsJustNils I Because I am thinking about Trump and Cruz...
I think it's funny. I took the political compass test and ended up almost getting in the exact place as Bernie Sanders yet I hate everything Bernie Sanders stands for. I don't feel like I was placed in the right category.
I can hate him if I want to.
+HairyViking111 inb4republican kappa
I hate socialism.
***** What you are saying is that if you are Swedish you have to love socialism?
When you changed your chart from economics to technology, you flipped the left and right, making your comparisons deceptively invalid.
This video is old, but everyone's missing the point:
It's that you should stop arguing and find what similarities you have with one another- If Elder Maxson would stop chasing Shaun with a baseball bat and instead have a cup of tea with him, much more would be done in the commonwealth.
Same applies to the US. Screw sides or flags, it's about understanding one another.
They didnt predict my vote
+Go Out & Vote But you're a Berniebro tho so everyone knows already.
+aaron trapp Bernie already addressed the bernie bro bullshit stop calling us that.
4 Tonnes of Fury one, that was a joke. Two I'll stop calling y'all that when you stop being so goddamned aggressive with your insistence that Bernie is some sort of liberal messiah.
Am I the only one thinking that this world is lost when trump gets voted?
No, over half of the American population (and much of the world outside of the US) share your thoughts. The problem is that people have politics down to a black and white perspective (or rather red and blue) and many refuse to vote outside of their party. If the Sack of Oranges wins the nomination there will be people voting for him regardless of whether they want him president or not like zombies.
+IgnemFeram01 Not true, Donald is actually polling surprisingly high with dissatisfied Democrats. Sorry you guys have such terrible choices for your side. Many Dems will not vote for Hillary so if she gets the nomination you might as well get ready for Trump in the White House. Hell, Hillary still could end up in the Big House(Prison)
I am also not convinced that loony toon Bern is even electable at all.
Lots of people are sick and tired of open borders and illegal immigrants. And fewer everyday have any patience at all for Muslim/Islamic invasion through immigration. Close the borders...Trump 2016
***** "Federal policy on immigration has been founded on the “plenary power doctrine,” which holds that the political branches - the legislative and the executive - have sole power to regulate all aspects of immigration as a basic attribute of sovereignty."
Dunno man, I have to assume that means they have the power if its in the best interest of the American citizenry to exclude immigration of any group it finds dangerous to the population. Pretty sure Islam is dangerous to the population of the world. Which includes the US.
Ban 'em all.
***** I am a Nationalist, never once did I profess to you I was Christian. How Pope'y of you...
Jeff Carnes well you shouldnt greeting from germany if you understand.
HEY HEY HEY WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST GHOULS!!!! (Slowly caresses Touka-chan's hair).....
I've noticed that your videos have quite a few thumbs down, but I have to say that I truly enjoy the amount of information you put into them. The amount of time and effort you've put in is very clear, and I love that you end up breaking down real life issues to game issues. You're basically teaching with the differentiated instruction method, and that's something to be proud of! Good on you!
Oh a relic from the past, when we could still see the thumbs down number
I'm voting for Wretched Tooth this decision.
And the libertarians yet again receive no representation...
Railroad because their whole faction is for the freedom of everyone, minutemen is actually socialist because there is no economy, everyone works for the government and the government then gives them food, water, and shelter
i feel you
Templarkiller Isnt that also true in the railroad, everyone shares their stuff and thinks everyone should be equal.
I think minutemen are more of people who believes in working hard and rebuilding yourself
wait minutemen is.... COMMUNIST! THE REDS ARE TRYING TO TRICK US!!!!
@@templarkiller2926 wrong, the railroad are leftist all the way, they're all about "progressivism" and tge minutemen aren't commies because they're not a government, they don't give people food and water they're a militia of volunteers, they even have capitalistic exchange within settlements, plus the absence of any real central government besides a purely military leadership.
a game cant predict who im voting for?
*mindblown*
my life has changed for ever, some one GIVE THIS GUY A NOBLE PRIZE FOR EVERYTHING!!!
I sided with the minutemen and I considered myself a moderate conservative
Dito
If you liked the free food, water, beds, ammo and medicine you sided with them for communist reasons.
could you make a chart like the one you already did, but with all the big factions on it. (big mt, ncr, the legion, the enclave, the other brotherhood factions etc.)
WOW, it got who I was wanting to win the election right. FEEL THE BURN
Haha Haha didnt quite work out for you did it?
@@moonman7684 Let's be honest, it wasn't really going to work for any of us
why is less technological control blue? wouldnt it be less
*red
He flipped it because he said that he doesn't think that it's a perfect analouge to economics. And, in truth, it isn't. The Imsititue are high control because they want to have all the tech while the railroad wants everyone to have tech and wants to redistribute the tech the inititue has. That should ring a political bell and I think that's how he organized the chart.
+Silver Fang The Brotherhood wants the tech.. they'll murder people for it
+Hot Girl Yeah, the Brotherhood should be a lot higher because of that.
Sanders voter, Institute player.
Like what they've done in the past or not(more on that later), the Institute is, as they say, the best hope for the commonwealth. It's difficult to run lab tests under lab conditions when you have to worry about ambient background radiation levels, unclean water, and a complete lack of methods to remove excrement, especially when you start talking about biotechnology and medicine, so when we start talking about ways to, say, Feed the commonwealth, or ways to rapidly sanitize a water supply, it gets a lot more tricky to find methods of doing that above ground. Which is to say, the Institute has the ability to establish a clean room. More to the point, the institute has something the Commonwealth Doesn't have(okay, a lot, but whatever). Free Labor.
Now, we can argue all day and night about generation-3 synths and whether or not they have personal autonomy and/or are self-aware, but let's look at Generation 1 and 2 synths. Aside from a couple notable exceptions in terms of prototypes(like Nick), they're mostly just basic robots that do basic things on basic orders. Sure, they can walk and talk and make basic decisions, but they're not likely to become artists or philanthropists anytime soon on their own whim. What they Can do, however, is clean. Synth robots have the remarkable ability to work tirelessly without concern for smells or contaminants or whatever, and could be put to work cleaning up the Downtown Commonwealth, rebuilding structures, moving resources around in ways that people and Brahmins can't, and, honestly, just making the Commonwealth a better place to live. Work could be done by Synths to install a basic sewer system, repair damaged pipelines and water treatment systems, hell, they could even start rebuilding damaged or destroyed vaults in order to establish safe places for people to take shelter. If a synth gets damaged or lost due to an accident during repairs or otherwise? Who cares? Build another one.
As much as we like to hate on the Institute, they have the ability to start a broad-reaching sweep of the Commonwealth, both in terms of cleaning up garbage, and also of creating a strong security force that could make it so people could sleep easy in their homes, knowing they are not going to fall victim to raiders, super mutants, or mutated bloodsucking parasites. One of the key killers in the Commonwealth is very likely not just poor sanitation, but also just... stress. Imagine being unable to sleep properly because you're constantly at fear that a deathclaw is gonna stomp their way into town and eat your face, or that a group of raiders is gonna decide you'll make a good decoration for their camp.
Side note, much of the hysteria around the Institute(I told you we'd get to this) is based off of heresay, but given that the Commonwealth lacks a centralized information source, it's a lot harder to reeducate people in regards to what really happened. In order to understand the fearmongering around the Institute, we have to look at a number of incidents, chief among which being the Summit of Settlements(Yes, I know it's called something else, but I don't care), and the Broken Mask incident. The summit of settlements is used as an example of the Institute killing off leadership of settlements to keep things chaotic and decentralized, but reports are pretty heavily conflicting, as the Institute never fired a shot, and some have posited that the settlement leaders just bickered and argued until a fight broke out and they basically all killed each other, which caused the Institute to say "Screw this, we're staying underground, these guys are nuts". As for the Broken Mask incident, the people above ground claim it was the Institute's big bogeyman, and that they could be EVERYWHERE, but as we learn from records in the institute itself, the synth that went nuts and killed people was a prototype that was never supposed to have been released(Very possibly the first one released by Liam, "as a joke"), and if we look further into the Synth records in the Institute, there're really only a handful of synths actually up there(Namely a farmer, a mayor of Diamond City, though I feel he's mostly just there as a way to say "Just stop Diamond City from being really, REALLY stupid, eh?"), a singer, and a select few others) that were officially released to replace people. The rest, including the dangerous, violent killers? Were released by Liam.
We know the Institute doesn't actually care about whether the commonwealth unifies, as they never send you to kill Preston Garvey, nor do they attempt to take your life for being the "general" of the minutemen. We know the Institute doesn't care about errant technology because they don't really care much about the Mechanist. We even know they're not that interested in sending supermutants above ground(though there are constant claims that they are responsible for all supermutants in the commonwealth, a patently false claim, it's just as likely that Supermutants walked there from DC), as we see Synths openly killing Supermutants in the CIT buillding. So when you break past the rumors and the fearmongering and the frankly nonsensical accusations, you start to see a group of people living underground with their own distinct culture who want to remain safe from the dangers of the above-ground people, who take action because they are threatened, and who, again, just want to be left alone.
Also, you as a player run the place by the end of the game, so they're now run by either a Defense Attorney or a Soldier who's tired of war. From 200 years ago. Which means they're gonna be just fine.
I'm glad I'm not the only one
Voting for Bernie, Railroad is my favorite faction
Those are two terrible choices; Make the Institute Great Again!
Redneck Rebel Well, i think in the long term, and i have a continuing headcannon for all my fallout games, and once the NCR reaches the East Coast, i don't want pesky organizations such as the Fascisits of steal or Institute in their way.
Don't tread on the bear!
+Goodnight Juliet Why would you want these corrupt NCR hypocrits on the east coast?
It's clear the Institute is the best hope for humanity and their technology is far superior then any one else. Make the Institute Great Again!
Railroad ='freedom, Bernie = Socialist Democracy, aka North Korea.
What if I'm an anarchist?
+skynetswing if youre not an anarchist there might still be hope that you realize that youre a slave to youre ruler...
Anarchists and the lowest on the chart and can be either left or right
means you're edgy and can't see that after Anarchism is established any group or person can come into power, from Communism to a Monarchy.
+wet pumpkin sauce Then you're 12 years old
+skynetswing In this more modern, more enlightened age, we do not have people rule over us, but tenets. The rules, themselves. Now we just need to stop making so many of them... There should be a review-and-repeal board! :P
Went with Institute. Supporting Sanders.
Wat.
Extreme outlier?
Went with the railroad. Supporting Cruz (Even though he gave up)
Yeah, it was a pretty terrible Video.
The Minutemen are what I would consider to be the East Coasts equivalent of the NCR. I can't wait to see them clash in future installments.
Can Fallout 4 Predict Who You're Voting For In 2016? SURE! Hilary WARMONGER Clinton CAN'T WIN! THE WORLD SAYS "THANK YOU"! Because if she wins, there will be a real life fallout =x
Based on your chart, the way I see the factions are as follows:
Institute Republicans
BOS Libertarians
Minutemen Democrats (or moderates, either is possible)
Railroad Green Party
I would say BOS is GOP
yeah
Seems people see stuff exactly opposite
If it was even slightly acurate it would be like this.
Institute: Communist
BoS:Conservative
Railroad:Liberal
Minutemen:Libertarian
The Brotherhood and the Minutemen would both be Republicans as they both emphasis different aspects of the Republican party. The Brotherhood is the military aspect and the Minutemen almost perfectly embody the reasoj6 for the second amendment.
"Can Fallout 4 Predict Who You're Voting For In 2016?" NOPE, but it can predict the eventual outcome ^_^
"because war...... well you know the rest" that should be in a quote book
Can't we all just be glad there's not a feminist SJW faction of the wasteland? That would be a true horror to behold...
+Sabin Felinus
So true. XD
+Oliver Shaw OH NO EQUALITY D:
Adam Brassard Equality? You must be new to feminism.
+Adam Brassard
Equality isn't their goal, it's world domination,
Darkest Night So apparently wanting to be paid the same as men, not wanting a 1 in 5 chance of being raped, and wanting men to feel the same kind of emotions is world domination? Okay buddy, whatever you say...
I actually supported the Enclave in fo3 (Im a republican)
and i support the institute here
I would have voted for Eden
Jacob Tanner yeap
But why? They are nationalistic, and big government. Those values don't even coincide with traditional republicanism.
+Generic Name I for one am a American nationalist. I certainly much rather have a nationalist unelected American government in the wastes that seeks to destroy the many threats to myself than have no government at all. And personally I find Eden's words inspiring. I don't consider myself republican but I will likely vote republican this coming election.
Trump = The Institute?
Nah... Trump = The Super Mutants....
I mean the institute gave us super mutants so institute republicans super mutants trump
He is sooooo IT
You do realise that the Super Mutants are incredibly Socialist? One reason why Strong believes that Super Mutants are better is because they share everything, which is a Socialists wet dream.
Make America Super again.I just wanted to say that they are incredibly socialist
Dude , Trump = Brotherhood.
Minutemen. Feeling the Bern. Damn you, ShoddyCast, for that uncanny accuracy
so i am ron paul. i don't even know who that is
+LagsOut i'm dutch you idiot. i would be suprised if you even know were that is. btw if the news doesn't show me something about him, then i can't learn something about him
+Maarten Pennings where*
+wyatt M. thanks
+LagsOut so you admit that you google were the netherlands is. btw, if you knew were my counties was than you would know that we have internet here
+LagsOut why would they have googled a person they didn't know existed
Anyone watching/watched this on Election Day? xD
Subscribed to this channel for fallout lore, and I get american politics (unsubscribed)
Why do people announce that they are unsubscribing? I assure you the channel does not care, thousands of people told that shit to the Fine Bros yet they are still in the millions and don't care. Just unsubscribe quietly and leave, I don't get it.
1:39 What about the NCR and Caeser's Legion? Oh no wait, this is about Fallout 4.
NCR = Centrist
Caeser’s Legion = Fascism
The right side is for less economic control but you put them down for more technological control. Your chart is fucked.
Oddly I liked Trump and I supported the institute
Bernie wouldn't be for economic freedom. Social democrats like Bernie are all for bringing the classes closer together, and if you go more extreme that way like socialism it is the "government controlling the factors of production". Trump eh screw him, but Republicans are closer to capitalism, which is when "individuals control factors of production".
All in all, republicans would be more economically free, and democrats would be less. But personally I disagree with both parties. #Libertarianism
A pretty cool trick in fallout 4 I just found out is if you complete the Brotherhood quest line, you can go to the Cambridge police station then kill all the soldiers (betraying the Brotherhood.) then talk to Preston (that's if you completed most of the Minutemen quests) and he'll tell you that it's time to destroy the Brotherhood.
NOOOO G2A IS CANCER NOOOO
+Caden Sierre no, there making money for what they do.
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It's a website store where you can buy "discounted" keys usually stolen keys.Devs have disabled some of the keys
shoddycast content is becoming boring a little.
I said shoddycast content, not politics.
And people who don't know how to read are illiterate.
+Caden Sierre This isn't politics its bait and you're falling for it
+Epicleeb sounds like something an ENCLAVE SUPPORTER would say
This made me smile...I sided with the Minutemen and I also support Bernie Sanders woohooo! :)
Fucking socialist!
+Nikolai Lanigan haha nearly communist haha.Dosent even matter Hilary is gonna win the Democrat nominee. #trump
+Mahsun Avci I like you #trump
+RossZ32 He flipped the left and right around. Bernie Sanders is more in lined with the Brotherhood if he did it right.
odd I support them as well but support rand paul
i couldnt decide on who i choose so i kept brotherhood, railroad, and minutemen
Left-leaning libertarian here. tbh I have to say I side with the institute and am voting for Trump here.
that makes no sense. trump would be the equivalent of a mad dictator and he's not at all left.
+Sτεεmy♥Μυsταrd Bloody A
"I'm left leaning and a libertarian and am voting for a candidate who doesn't even slightly represent either" Gotcha.
Trump is neither libertarian nor left.
#Feelthebern
#bettergetthatcheckedout
We talking like Neo-Confederate Liberatarians here?
Institute - Donald Trump
Brotherhood - Ted Cruiz
Railroad - Hilary Clinton
Minuteman - Bernie Sanders
Strangely enough I worked a bit for the Brotherhood but finished the game with the Institute and I prefer Donald Trump than Ted Cruiz and absolutely hate MM & RR. Republican by heart.
Holy shit your like my other half! Exactly same thing happened to me!
Totally honest reply - my first playthrough I sided with the instutite. Next I went BoS (because canon) and then Railroad. I was a Sanders delegate last year and was happy to cast no vote in the general election.
I still have yet to finish the neutral Minuteman storyline.
So yeah, I think it's probably not a good correlation although I can take a guess and say that the anarcho kiddies really enjoyed Nuka-World.
The Minutemen ending where you keep the Brotherhood AND the Railroad alive is the general "good" ending to fallout 4
Where you basically dont have to take sides in the whole "are synths human or not" debate that Bethesda tried shoving down our throats with this game
All of the dislikes are Trumps Keyboard Bannerman 👱🐓⚔
I liked the video
when fallout 4 tells you to feel the bern
one of my big fears in life is a technology take over, so naturally I went with the brotherhood. Ad Victorium!
Such a brilliant end to that video, I love the War Never Changes line
That wallpaper on the computer behind him.... I MUST HAVE IT!
For me, the choice was based off of which trait each faction represented. The institute was the love of family. The Brotherhood was honor. The railroad was morality. The Minutemen were charity. And since I value my family above all else, I chose the institute.
I started going for the minutemen on my first playthrough, til I realized just how much work it is getting settlements going throughout the commonwealth... my god. I like settlements but doing all the work myself is tiring and it gets boring. If I could share that burden of work and not be the only person building and managing these places, maybe I'd like it more. But helping the minutemen kinda sucks.
Wait, why does Austin claim that the right is strictly socially authoritarian? I mean, that faction certainly exists, particularly within the religious right, but that entirely disregards the libertarian right.