The hatchling Sylux obtains was a regular Metroid from what I can see, but these single nucleous ones appear to be Mochtroids, which appeared in Super Metroid. They're apparently failed attempts at cloning Metroids by the Space Pirates.
That logo is what I'm obsessing over. There's a wormhole-like structure, a strange purple color that was spotted in the crystals on Phaaze, and a dual/mirror thing with the shapes that definitely points to time travel/parallel universe shenanigans, just enough to completely mess up what we knew about the timeline. Everything we think we know's on the table right now.
I think what could be the case is that most of the game is taking place on one planet, but you can travel to objects in orbit of the planet. The starting location is most likely one of it's moons. Another possibility is that the starting location and the planet we see later are one and the same, just at different points in time.
23:58 I think is Adam's Malckovich Brother the one that "died" in other M. Japanese creatives love to resurrect their character that clearly died with 0% chance of survival.
I may not be a big enough nerd to do this myself but I am a big enough nerd to hear someone else do it and listen intently, despite being a metroid fan there is a lot here I didn't know about that liam cleared up for me for example I had no idea who sylux even was before this but now I am well informed, this is a great trailer break down that brought to my attention a lot of things I would have otherwise missed!
Please try to keep the comments respectful and polite. I will block and delete anyone who wants to post slurs or be rude or negative for no reason. This is a space to talk about the game, speculate and have fun.
I thought they made a compromise on resolution compared to Prime Remastered but after watching the uncompressed file, nope it looks just as good. That's great !
Rule of 2 Rob had a great theory that the planet shown at the end of the trailer LOOKS a lot like Aether from Prime 2 but restored. Recall that the giant tree at the center of the map was essentially dead. I want that to be true, but I'm not convinced. I think this is a new planet, but it would be awesome to go back to Aether and Talon IV. I thought the logo looked like a galaxy because of the bright light at the center, but the overall shape definitely does look like a black hole now that you mention it. It would make sense, given the GF's history.
tbf it would be easy to go back to Aether and just explore a different part of the planet. that way you still get the feeling of nostalgia but also don't have to make up an excuse why a lot of the planet is blocked off.
The thing about the cosmic calendar is that it's never been referenced directly in any game besides the manuals for Metroid 1, Metroid 2 and Zero Mission, and the intro for Federation Force and Samus Returns. No game has ever been explicitly stated to take place in a given year, save for Metroid 1/Zero Mission (which happen in 20X5), and Federation Force (20X6). The thing about Super Metroid happening in 20X7 is from a Japanese TV commercial from the early 90s, which can never really be taken seriously to begin with. That's as official a a confirmation we'll probably ever get, so it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt.
The Cosmic Calendar date given at the start does have me curious since I never really remember it ever being mentioned outside of the original/zero mission being 20X5. At first it makes it seem like Prime 4 is set 4 years later but from looking into it Federation Force was set in 20X6 (I haven't played it so not sure where or how exactly it's stated) while various official sources have also stated Prime 1 is 3 years after Zero Mission and Corruption is 3 years before Federation Force so seemingly 20X_ is being used for multiple decades. Needless to say it's a bit messy and hard to say what they're considering canon at this point but at the very least I'd say the main take away is that Prime 4 is set 3 years after Federation Force for sure. This does bring into question if Prime 4 takes place before or after Super as it could be 8 years before as well. It could go either way I feel, but if what we see with Sylux are actually Mochtroids I'd lean towards it being before since the Space Pirates had successfully cloned Metroids by Super so I'm not sure why they'd still be using the failed clones. No matter what it seems like there are potentially going to be story ties to Super which really interesting.
Federation Force opened the exact same way, being set in Cosmic Year 20X6. The only thing I'm aware of that ties Super to 20X7 is an old commercial, something that could be easier tossed aside.
So, the director mentioned in past interviews that he wanted to something akin to the Light and Dark world of Prime 2, but mentioned Time Manipulation. So it's possible you will visit planets, or a single planet, in many different periods of time.
@@LiamRproductions Right though I didn't hear you mention that the director mentioned the Prime 2 aspect and the time travel aspect. Sorry if I somehow missed that.
Okay to me the uncompressed video you linked looks a lot better! However I’m not sure if this is a placebo effect. People say RUclips does a data compression on audio and that simply isn’t true at all. In fact it’s the same audio file whether you’re watching in HD or not and retains the actual format of whatever you uploaded to my knowledge. That said, it would make sense that video actually does have lossy data compression since video file sizes are an order of magnitude larger than audio files.
ruclips.net/video/ZLT-qrmJt8E/видео.html sadly you missed that it doesn't look like a door but a portal which would again go in the direction of time travel or black holes :) I love theory videos and even if the trailer wasn't that amazing, it atleast gives us something to talk about.
My first thought with the logo was two Mobius strips but now that you mentioned black holes, it seems so obvious. They're also metallic, which to me screams "man-made". I'm not up to date with all the "cosmic year" dates of Metroid games, but the "20X9" made me think that they were referencing the year that Retro started development on it: 2019. So pumped for this!
I was thinking time travel too, with Samus walking out of a portal and into a decidedly primeval-looking area. Is it the same area as the rest of the trailer, but in the past? I do t know how similar those two canyons look, but it's worth investigating
- well, it can't be after Fusion considering Samus is wearing the Chozo Power suit & her regular Gunship, both of wich got destroyed when she got infected by the X Parasite - i mean, if we have Time travel then it could be the same planet just prior to the Federation research station & that's why it looks so alive
@@LiamRproductions Maybe some version of Mother Brain corrupted him, reanimated his corpse to use his knowledge or something crazy like that. Or, ir could be an alternate universe / timeline Adam brought in through the black hole.
Scan Visor is likely a dedicated button now. Maybe they're doing something similar to TotK where you can use an ability like scan, x-ray, etc at the push of a button, and holding down that button allows you to select which visor type you want to use. Obviously in this demonstration it's basically the opening and Samus only has the one so you don't actually see her doing anything to activate it. I think Sylux is someone Samus once knew. I have my theories, but it's also possible it could just be someone we players haven't met before. Personally, I think it's Armstrong Houston shoutout to anyone who remembers that character that no one ever talks about because they haven't showed up in anything game related before. lol XD
The problem with the calendar's use in Metroid is that it's highly inconsistent. Nobody is ever clear as to what number means what, and sometimes it's anything from a few months to 11 years. Makes no sense, but just goes to show you can't really use the number for anything with regards to trying to figure anything out.
I agree with you to a degree. However, I do think that it must be important in this particular game if it is literally the first thing we see in this trailer. It must be relevant information to the story and we will likely see other time periods that are distinguished using the calendar.
Wow, Liam you still use this channel?! I thought we only got to see you in Did You Know Gaming. :D Also, it seems like I'm the only person on Earth who didn't like the graphics from Prime 4. I was expecting it to look more realistic, like Prime Remastered or better, not this stylised/cartoony style. But it seems EVERYONE loves it and I'm the only person who doesn't.
@@LiamRproductions I fired up Prime Remastered and saw all of the regions just to make sure I wasn't speaking nonsense and compared it to the uncompressed video of Prime 4. Now I can say for certain what I stated before, Prime 4 is far more stylised. It can be the same engine, but the art style for the textures and shader are certainly not the same. 9:33 10:28 12:03 Most textures in the Prime 4 video lack a lot of the high frequency detail that the textures in Prime Remastered have. 9:43 There are a lot of metallic materials in the Prime 4 videos that look flat and dull, or look like plastic 11:08 , which is odd because I think that engine supports PBR and therefore must have a metallic channel for shaders and I know that Remastered did. A lot of surfaces seem to not have normal maps, when they would have them if realism was the goal. In some areas of the video the lighting looks very cartoony, like there's a general non-diegetic fill in the area, so that the audience can see everything, as opposed to Remastered's more diegetic high-contrast lighting. There are a few more things I saw, but those are the major ones and I don't have all day to write a full detail list :P
There's no way this is after Fusion. She still has her original powersuit here; no Metroid DNA yet. It must be between Super and Fusion (probably after Other M though, but still before Fusion).
Before watching, I'll guess that Samus can change doors into portals that send her into past, present and future versions of said room, ala Sonic CD. But I don't know how complicated it could get. EDIT 1: 20X7 was only referenced in Japanese only ad, I believe. EDIT 2: I think the planet Samus is on at the end is the same as in the beginning, but in the past.
@LiamRproductions that was only a commercial in Japan. The devs usually don't put together commercials. That's a separate company that handles that. And the fact that the devs didn't see fit to put the year in the game or manual... I'll take the games over a dumb trailer any day. This game definitely takes place before metroid 2. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. Sylux stole a baby metroid at the end of federation force. If this game took place after super, that would mean the federation sent samus to sr3-88 to wipe out all metroides, to commit genocide, but didn't care to send samus after sylux to get that metroid back for years? That makes zero sense. This game definitely takes place between Federation Force and metroid 2.
i think she's gonna find metroid and become super
Quite probable.
She's now metroid, but maybe yeah she'll get super.
no frickin way 🤯😱
Insane
woah the uncompressed trailer file!!!! thanks
It looks good, right?
That research center looked like the one from the intro of Super Metroid 😊
The hatchling Sylux obtains was a regular Metroid from what I can see, but these single nucleous ones appear to be Mochtroids, which appeared in Super Metroid. They're apparently failed attempts at cloning Metroids by the Space Pirates.
Could be!
That logo is what I'm obsessing over. There's a wormhole-like structure, a strange purple color that was spotted in the crystals on Phaaze, and a dual/mirror thing with the shapes that definitely points to time travel/parallel universe shenanigans, just enough to completely mess up what we knew about the timeline. Everything we think we know's on the table right now.
I don't think she's going to lose the starting upgrades, prime 3 didn't do it and we see her with the same suit in the jungle area
I think what could be the case is that most of the game is taking place on one planet, but you can travel to objects in orbit of the planet. The starting location is most likely one of it's moons.
Another possibility is that the starting location and the planet we see later are one and the same, just at different points in time.
I really like the last possibility. That's a great shout.
23:58 I think is Adam's Malckovich Brother the one that "died" in other M. Japanese creatives love to resurrect their character that clearly died with 0% chance of survival.
I may not be a big enough nerd to do this myself but I am a big enough nerd to hear someone else do it and listen intently, despite being a metroid fan there is a lot here I didn't know about that liam cleared up for me for example I had no idea who sylux even was before this but now I am well informed, this is a great trailer break down that brought to my attention a lot of things I would have otherwise missed!
You know what Liam, sometimes you say some crazy stuff, but this actually kinda makes sense.
Every so often it happens.
@@LiamRproductions bro be spittin
Please try to keep the comments respectful and polite. I will block and delete anyone who wants to post slurs or be rude or negative for no reason. This is a space to talk about the game, speculate and have fun.
I thought they made a compromise on resolution compared to Prime Remastered but after watching the uncompressed file, nope it looks just as good. That's great !
Rule of 2 Rob had a great theory that the planet shown at the end of the trailer LOOKS a lot like Aether from Prime 2 but restored. Recall that the giant tree at the center of the map was essentially dead. I want that to be true, but I'm not convinced. I think this is a new planet, but it would be awesome to go back to Aether and Talon IV.
I thought the logo looked like a galaxy because of the bright light at the center, but the overall shape definitely does look like a black hole now that you mention it. It would make sense, given the GF's history.
tbf it would be easy to go back to Aether and just explore a different part of the planet. that way you still get the feeling of nostalgia but also don't have to make up an excuse why a lot of the planet is blocked off.
The thing about the cosmic calendar is that it's never been referenced directly in any game besides the manuals for Metroid 1, Metroid 2 and Zero Mission, and the intro for Federation Force and Samus Returns. No game has ever been explicitly stated to take place in a given year, save for Metroid 1/Zero Mission (which happen in 20X5), and Federation Force (20X6). The thing about Super Metroid happening in 20X7 is from a Japanese TV commercial from the early 90s, which can never really be taken seriously to begin with. That's as official a a confirmation we'll probably ever get, so it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt.
Always love these more off the cuff videos.
Metroid Prime: To In4nity and Beyond!
26:30 a lot of people are speculating we're gonna go to the planet Sylux is from which could be interesting
Ooooh, yeah they could be going back to Sylux's planet. As in, back in time given these theories of portals and time travel.
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Unfounded though: I think there's going to be space/aerial combat in this game.
I really hope so! Or at least some ship gimmicks like in Prime 3. I honestly loved that
The Cosmic Calendar date given at the start does have me curious since I never really remember it ever being mentioned outside of the original/zero mission being 20X5. At first it makes it seem like Prime 4 is set 4 years later but from looking into it Federation Force was set in 20X6 (I haven't played it so not sure where or how exactly it's stated) while various official sources have also stated Prime 1 is 3 years after Zero Mission and Corruption is 3 years before Federation Force so seemingly 20X_ is being used for multiple decades. Needless to say it's a bit messy and hard to say what they're considering canon at this point but at the very least I'd say the main take away is that Prime 4 is set 3 years after Federation Force for sure. This does bring into question if Prime 4 takes place before or after Super as it could be 8 years before as well. It could go either way I feel, but if what we see with Sylux are actually Mochtroids I'd lean towards it being before since the Space Pirates had successfully cloned Metroids by Super so I'm not sure why they'd still be using the failed clones. No matter what it seems like there are potentially going to be story ties to Super which really interesting.
Federation Force opened the exact same way, being set in Cosmic Year 20X6.
The only thing I'm aware of that ties Super to 20X7 is an old commercial, something that could be easier tossed aside.
So, the director mentioned in past interviews that he wanted to something akin to the Light and Dark world of Prime 2, but mentioned Time Manipulation. So it's possible you will visit planets, or a single planet, in many different periods of time.
I mention this in the video.
@@LiamRproductions Right though I didn't hear you mention that the director mentioned the Prime 2 aspect and the time travel aspect. Sorry if I somehow missed that.
@@legionbeast Yeah, I was reading that article in the video.
@@LiamRproductions Oh shoot! I suffered a glitch and the video didn't finish, I missed the entire final 1/4th of your video!
Okay to me the uncompressed video you linked looks a lot better! However I’m not sure if this is a placebo effect. People say RUclips does a data compression on audio and that simply isn’t true at all. In fact it’s the same audio file whether you’re watching in HD or not and retains the actual format of whatever you uploaded to my knowledge.
That said, it would make sense that video actually does have lossy data compression since video file sizes are an order of magnitude larger than audio files.
It looks like an open overworld with segmented areas to me. I'm hoping for that, because it could be the best of both worlds.
I hope you investigate and make a video on what happened to the original version of prime 4. I wonder if there was any footage?
I want to one day.
Maybe it's the same planet in different times
Great video Liam
Thanks
ruclips.net/video/ZLT-qrmJt8E/видео.html sadly you missed that it doesn't look like a door but a portal which would again go in the direction of time travel or black holes :) I love theory videos and even if the trailer wasn't that amazing, it atleast gives us something to talk about.
I mean it could be either. It just reminds me of some of the organic doors from other games in the series.
I thought the same thing, really looks more like a portal to enter the zone/time rather than a door
My first thought with the logo was two Mobius strips but now that you mentioned black holes, it seems so obvious. They're also metallic, which to me screams "man-made".
I'm not up to date with all the "cosmic year" dates of Metroid games, but the "20X9" made me think that they were referencing the year that Retro started development on it: 2019.
So pumped for this!
I was thinking time travel too, with Samus walking out of a portal and into a decidedly primeval-looking area. Is it the same area as the rest of the trailer, but in the past? I do t know how similar those two canyons look, but it's worth investigating
Great breakdown. Gave me lot to think about
Thanks!
Game Explain can't pay his workers fair wages, so I couldn't care less about watching their analysis anyway.
I think all the named human characters that aren't dead (read: Adam) are from Other M. Could Sylux be one of them? I sure hope not lol
- well, it can't be after Fusion considering Samus is wearing the Chozo Power suit & her regular Gunship, both of wich got destroyed when she got infected by the X Parasite
- i mean, if we have Time travel then it could be the same planet just prior to the Federation research station & that's why it looks so alive
I don’t remember her ship getting destroyed by the x parasite 🤔
I think he wants to travel back in time or dimension wise to revive metroids that would be my guess
What if Sylux... Is Adam? 😮
Why would Adam have an intense hatred of the federation and Samus?
@@LiamRproductions Maybe some version of Mother Brain corrupted him, reanimated his corpse to use his knowledge or something crazy like that.
Or, ir could be an alternate universe / timeline Adam brought in through the black hole.
@@beeeffemm Not sure about that because Adam is alive when Samus first encounters Sylux.
Scan Visor is likely a dedicated button now. Maybe they're doing something similar to TotK where you can use an ability like scan, x-ray, etc at the push of a button, and holding down that button allows you to select which visor type you want to use. Obviously in this demonstration it's basically the opening and Samus only has the one so you don't actually see her doing anything to activate it.
I think Sylux is someone Samus once knew. I have my theories, but it's also possible it could just be someone we players haven't met before. Personally, I think it's Armstrong Houston shoutout to anyone who remembers that character that no one ever talks about because they haven't showed up in anything game related before. lol XD
you lost me with the time travel thing. maybe black holes/worm holes lead to the origins of Metroids or Phaaze
Maybe but they already explained the origins of the Metroids in Metroid: Samus Returns.
@@LiamRproductions true true. that interview with Tanabe is pretty convincing!
The problem with the calendar's use in Metroid is that it's highly inconsistent. Nobody is ever clear as to what number means what, and sometimes it's anything from a few months to 11 years. Makes no sense, but just goes to show you can't really use the number for anything with regards to trying to figure anything out.
I agree with you to a degree. However, I do think that it must be important in this particular game if it is literally the first thing we see in this trailer. It must be relevant information to the story and we will likely see other time periods that are distinguished using the calendar.
Wow, Liam you still use this channel?! I thought we only got to see you in Did You Know Gaming. :D
Also, it seems like I'm the only person on Earth who didn't like the graphics from Prime 4. I was expecting it to look more realistic, like Prime Remastered or better, not this stylised/cartoony style. But it seems EVERYONE loves it and I'm the only person who doesn't.
It’s the same engine and art style so idk what you mean.
@@LiamRproductions I fired up Prime Remastered and saw all of the regions just to make sure I wasn't speaking nonsense and compared it to the uncompressed video of Prime 4.
Now I can say for certain what I stated before, Prime 4 is far more stylised. It can be the same engine, but the art style for the textures and shader are certainly not the same. 9:33 10:28 12:03 Most textures in the Prime 4 video lack a lot of the high frequency detail that the textures in Prime Remastered have. 9:43 There are a lot of metallic materials in the Prime 4 videos that look flat and dull, or look like plastic 11:08 , which is odd because I think that engine supports PBR and therefore must have a metallic channel for shaders and I know that Remastered did. A lot of surfaces seem to not have normal maps, when they would have them if realism was the goal. In some areas of the video the lighting looks very cartoony, like there's a general non-diegetic fill in the area, so that the audience can see everything, as opposed to Remastered's more diegetic high-contrast lighting.
There are a few more things I saw, but those are the major ones and I don't have all day to write a full detail list :P
Are they Metroids or Mocktroids? (Remember the faux metroids in super metroid…wiki suggests they are mocktroids?)
I just call her by her chozo pronunciation, which is pronounced "Damoose Alahn"
There's no way this is after Fusion. She still has her original powersuit here; no Metroid DNA yet. It must be between Super and Fusion (probably after Other M though, but still before Fusion).
Before watching, I'll guess that Samus can change doors into portals that send her into past, present and future versions of said room, ala Sonic CD. But I don't know how complicated it could get.
EDIT 1: 20X7 was only referenced in Japanese only ad, I believe.
EDIT 2: I think the planet Samus is on at the end is the same as in the beginning, but in the past.
Super never told the year it was. This game in no way takes place after super. It takes place between federation force and metroid 2.
It was established in tertiary lore (Japanese commercials made by Nintendo) that Super took place in 20X7. This takes place in 20X9.
@LiamRproductions that was only a commercial in Japan. The devs usually don't put together commercials. That's a separate company that handles that. And the fact that the devs didn't see fit to put the year in the game or manual... I'll take the games over a dumb trailer any day.
This game definitely takes place before metroid 2. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. Sylux stole a baby metroid at the end of federation force. If this game took place after super, that would mean the federation sent samus to sr3-88 to wipe out all metroides, to commit genocide, but didn't care to send samus after sylux to get that metroid back for years? That makes zero sense. This game definitely takes place between Federation Force and metroid 2.
@@dreadGodshand I guess we’ll see then!
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you sound older now
what is she can crawl
Stylus is Samus’ brother or father. Most likely brother.
I'm waiting for someone taking a picture of a toilet seat with the Meteoid Prime 4 Beyond logo on top.... cause that's what it looks like 😂
I could care less about story in Metroid games. The only story part I remember is the last Metroid is in captivity the galaxy is at peace.
Who pronounces it eh-run? In all of the promotional video that I have ever seen they pronounce it just the way it’s spelled Aran 🤷
The Direct and the Metroid Prime narration pronounces it “air-run”.