No, NieR Automata + The Evil Within PC Aren't Fixed On GamePass - But Are They Better?
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2021
- There was much excitement when NieR Automata and The Evil Within arrived on GamePass with bespoke ports reported to address some of the outstanding issues with the Steam versions, and in the case of The Evil Within, even adding new features. Alex tested both of them out and came away disappointed.
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NieR Automata is such an amazing game, it truly is criminal that after all this time the PC port hasn't even received a single official patch.
Blame all is on Square Enix heads. Given Platinum and Yoko was willing to try patching. Square Enix said no and we aren't going to fund/pay for it. That really sucks given the devs and creator aren't really pleased with the result on PC, but legally can't do anything.
Had to install a 3rd party app to make it full screen and manually disable half of my CPU core threads to make it somewhat playable before the modding community fixed it. Really a shame, gave up after the 1st ending because it was such a pain in the arse and lost my saves.
I think this game pass version is essentially an official patch. It just, well, doesn't fix it
Reason why I didn't buy it. If they are that indifferent to fix minor bugs, then they can do without my money...
@@Quast which sucks for the devs and creator as they wanted to fix it. Square Enix higher ups can be complete morons. Either rushing certain games out, giving constant support to failed projects like Avenger's, and ignoring good games that are not well ported to PC. To go further I believe even the head of Platinum once said early on in release they even do it pretty much for free if Square Enix allowed it...
Yoko Taro though the creator/mind behind it has no say in budget/fixes or he would do so. He even made a semi joke a year ago if Square Enix paid him he remake/remaster all his stuff for PC, PS4, Switch, and Xbox One. Sadly neither him or Platinum can do crap...
It's ridiculous man, how can they keep releasing the same product, over and over again, and not fix the core issues that even the community already tackled it on their own? Is it TOO MUCH to ask for a FUNCTIONAL GAME? jeez...
Because they don't give a shit, of course.
Simple they don't give a fuck about it.
@@Xbob42 I do love how tod Howard was like joining xbox will be better for us! *why bc it's there money your wasting on broken games and not yours now* is how I see him really meaning to say that
It's ridiculous that people share things like game pass version runs better without having any idea about how it actually runs...
@@EduardoJimenez-qh2qw It is. For an hour or two there I was one of them. Mainly because I had heard from multiple people that they "fixed" it. I don't know who started the BS or why, but I figured there'd be no reason whatsoever to make up nonsense. Made a fool of me, I guess. Maybe it was people who played the originals on low spec machines, upgraded their PC in the intervening years and then thought the Game Pass versions ran way better?
Alex is such a polite boy that even his unhinged rant sounds completely sensible.
Yes!
Everyone looks at things like black and white. But Alex knows reality is grey.
Alex too cute for this cruel world.
I agree. I didn't realize these games were bad until the other guy came in.
@@ptrcrispy so it’s NOT weird
Sounds like Alex experienced the evil within The Evil Within 😏
As did i... Steam version remains unplayable 🤢
:)
@@tomwebb7091 It's been running perfectly for me. I was getting that 58-59fps stutter that was talked about in this video, but after unlocking the frame rate and then applying a fixed 60fps with Riva Tuner I've been able to play this game at 4K 60fps with a single dropped frame or even a mistimed frame time.
Yeah "frustrating" is like a norm for japanese ports to PC at this point.
But it’s way better than it once was.
Well the old ones. They seem to have started getting better in the last about 2 years. And thank god for that.
Play code vein. Port is fantastic better than most Western ue4 ports
@@theanimerapper6351 why I specifically said the last 2 years have been better. The new Yakuza, Persona 4 Golden, Persona 5 Strikers, Catherine, Final Fantasy 15, World of Final Fantasy, and Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition, and Trials of Mana remake are all pretty good ports. But almost all of those came out in the last 2 years. Nier is a 2017 game and The Evil Within is 7 years old. It was way more spotty back then.
@@theanimerapper6351 Was just aboout to get it on ps4 today. Will wait for the steam version to go on sale then...
6:17 Witness the wrath of Linneman.
Wrathful Linneman 😂
Wrathful Video Game Nerd!
Linneman's arch-nemeses:
1. Bad frame-pacing
2. Uncapped framerates
3. Mandatory Bethesda logins
@@bearpuns5910 I think John is fine with uncapped framerates, so long as Freesync can iron them out!
This video requires a Bethesda account to view.
?
That has to go away after the merger right?
@@wcook4859 I bloody hope so. I don't want to be signing into a f**king Bethesda account for every one of their games.
@@wcook4859 they’ll just require you to use a Microsoft account
I’m kidding
@@TheAlienGangster I could at least remember that since it'd be my windows login haha
One thing that the GamePass version of NieR Automata has that the Steam version does not is a proper ultrawide screen mode. Playing the game at 3440x1440 looks magnificent, and while it's possible to enable ultrawide on the Steam version, my experience was that it had stretched UI bits and menu things were extra funky.
In PCGamingWiki, they have instructions to fix the ultrawide UI (you have to use the FAR mod and a HUD fix, did you try it? I want to play this game and I also have an ultrawide monitor, so now I'm not sure which version to play it.
Does the game pass support 5120x1440?
If that's angry Alex, calm Alex must be the Buddha or something
One of the big bonuses of the Xbox acquisition of Bethesda, the "Bethesda Account" stuff should go away; their is no business reason to keep them anymore.
@@Zuluknob it's been a couple of weeks. It's actually illegal for them to work together before the sale was finalized in the EU. I imagine these things are in motion but have low resource allocation as these systems are functioning and typically in the software world, if something is working (even if poorly) it will not receive massive resources to change.
In addition, the work required to fold Bethesda accounts into linked Microsoft accounts and then retire Bethesda accounts on all other platforms (now requiring a Microsoft account) would be no small feat. I think it is more likely we will see their removal going forward but are unlikely to see old games have them, remove them as there is basically no financial incentive to do so.
@@Zuluknob yeah I've still got some games from places like direct2drive and other online game clients/sites that use gfwl.
Most of them work with some fudging and uninstalling/reinstalling of the latest legacy gfwl client, but some just loop at the initial login screen. The gears of war pc port that was a direct2drive digital exclusive is especially temperamental
Remember when Classic Doom and Doom 2 required a Bethesda log-in in able to play ? That was fun.
LMAO
The idea of Gamepass on PC is great. The implementation is a total hot mess most of the time.
Imo Game Pass on PC is still beta but they removed that tag and charged full price. Game's regularly launch in a broken state and due to the locked down nature, easy fixes such as Alex showrd here, you can't do.
idk about original evil within, i played last time on steam version and ngl it was a mess but honestly i was shocked how good nier automata running compare to steam version, i used mod and all kind of tweaks but constant stuttering here and there was pissing me off and thats why i stop playing the steam version, now im glad i can play this game without these framepacing issue, idk why alex saying that nier automata on gamepass running bad compare to steam, but i will suggest everyone play gamepass version of nier instead of steam and if you see steam version currently review everyone asking for the fix, honestly im not a fan of gamepass, you can modify those files and most games cant be played full screen and also the store is a big mess, sometimes it wont let me download at all but honestly the deal is very good and now you can play EA games as well, i guess Microsoft should focus on a separated gamepass software where store or anything wont require and you can tweak and modify games files
Microsoft store is total crap
@@Madstring The fact you cannot access the source library by default is already a joke...you cannot edit the files, no access to the config files to solve any kinds of issues with ultrawide or apply custom settings...you need to grant access yourself to gain access. I tried it with The Medium, I finally got into the folder but still could not access the files. This format is a pure catastrophy.
Gamepass on PC isn't competitive against the other store front. Steams has crazy good sales and Epic gives you games for free. Permanently.
Players: We want 60 fps
Bethesda: Best I can do is 58. Take it or leave it.
What about 76?
and when you mod it to 60fps the physics breaks.
6 times the details of promises
69 is the sweet spot
Guess, Nier is better because its capped at 59fps lol
Had the same issue with stutter for Evil Within Gamepass version, HOWEVER, for some reason if you choose the 30 FPS option in the settings, it actually unlocked the frame rate for me instead and was running at 165 FPS (monitor max). Don’t know why, maybe a bug, but that’s how I was able to smooth it out.
11:53 That's a weird face. Did you just fuse Todd Howard and Gabe Newell's faces?😂
It actually is. I saw it on Twitter the other day
lmaooooo
Gamepass as a concept and service are great, however the PC app is truly awful, almost like MS never learned after their failure with Games For Windows Live.
Sometimes the app won't install...
Sometimes the games won't install...
Sometimes downloads won't download...
Sometimes games won't run...
Sometimes games that worked fine wont run after patching...
Sometimes the achievements simply won't work (I'm looking at you, Subnautica!)...
Sometimes it makes me feel like breaking my monitor...!
I wish MS would just fix that damn PC app, which should be well within their technical skillset
No mods is the biggest gripe with PC gamepass games for me, you can't even come near installation folders.
All the people crying for a couple of frames if u a tv that has vvr u don’t even feel those dips
I guess I'm one of the few that didn't have issues with GFWL . Saves synched across my PCs , and I could play offline if I couldn't login ...
@@edxxeno2368 VRR is still a feature most people don't have. The dropped frames is an issue because it causes noticeable stutter. Luckily I got a VRR screen
@@mikek92 it was fine for most games for me, but there was 1 or 2 that simply wouldn't work.
Luckily Dark Souls was okay as that was the only game I really wanted to play, although I did find the PVP was pretty much dead until the game moved onto Steam
You forgot to mention the very important fact that in Gamepass Automata there's no stutter while moving around the world. They fixed that. And we still don't have that fix in the Steam version.
He actually states the opposite of you 9:30 claiming Gamepass version has stuttering that steam doesn’t
No. The hitching and stuttering is all still present.
@@spenny2cents Well that's an obvious lie. I finished route a today and didn't have a single stutter. None.
do you have VRR (on tv) or gsync/freesync? if you have those, small stutters of a few frames are unnoticable.
@@SandeMC Are your PC specs better than him? You can't prove its a lie just by saying you didn't experience it so it doesn't exist for anyone
Hahahaha...the game is measuring up to its name. Haunting a PC
And the JP name Psychobreak is even more appropriate for Alex...
I don't get it
@@RepublicofODLUM The evil within the PC
Weird the game runs fine on my PC. 60fps consistently.
@@pcgameboy8407 Yeah, I don't believe you. Your completely anecdotal evidence in the face of not just professional analysis to the contrary, but the long well-documented history of problems these games have is not very convincing.
Alex's rage was completely untethered and it scared me :(
*Every copy of the evil within (pc) is personalized*
Fun fact: Game Pass PC games do support mods, but it’s up to the publishers to allow mods.
Fun fact: PS5's start to melt if placed near an XSX with an active Game Pass subscription.
Fun fact developers will not support mods
I already modified FAR to work in the Game Pass version, just FYI ;) Special K's got no problem injecting code into Windows Store games, it's come a long way since the original work I did on FAR.
@@XZ-III Yes, XSX brings the heat.
It felt like hate on Gamepass Pc video...lol It never mentioned if he tested the GamePass PC version without the Steam version installed.
Totally agree with the restrictive nature of Game Pass on PC. Being able to mod or tweak a game as you see fit has been a staple of the PC platform. Taking that away means taking away the reason why so many play on PC in the first place.
eh, kinda, I agree that once you download a game you should be able to do what you want with it, but modding IS available on a lot of gamepass games, its just a shame the gamepass app itself is complete shit.
The Nier test seemed to be very limited here, in both hardware used and also how much of the game was actually tested. I use FAR on the Steam version and there's still tons of performance issues even with settings tweaked. The GamePass version has worked flawlessly with few adjustments needing to be made.
If many other people are reporting similar, positive results, maybe this test wasn't extensive enough to prove conclusive that the opposite is true.
I think maybe its because DF tend to spend more time looking at the graphs and talking about single figure frame drops rather than how playable the game is. I played on steam and gamepass (nier automata) and steam has clearly worse performance, its not by a LOT but its definitely noticable.
Nope. It's worse. Those people were fooled.
Were you lucid when you played? Haha
I have Nier Automata on Steam. I installed FAR. I couldn't get rid of the stutter. It's easy to test: just get 2B stand in the open and hold the analog stick on a controller at a fixed position to turn the camera at a steady rate. Once the stutter is seen, it cannot be unseen.
With the MS Store version, I didn't need to do anything and I didn't see any stuttering when I did the test. It also does away with needing to do the mod. Yes, the FAR mod is very user friendly and it offers a lot of customisation options, but at the end of the day I don't want to spend more time tinkering with the mod menu than actually spend time playing the game itself. Case in point, if you run FAR on a 4K screen you need to change the DPI for the mod menu. Is it difficult to do? No. But the first time you need to do it, it'd take you time to find the right boxes to check. And all these little things add up.
I will agree. I just finished playing through A,B,C scenarios and didn't notice any performance issues with the GamePass version of Nier. The steam version even with the FAR mod had stutters and crashes. The addition of HDR is also a bonus for the GP version. As long as you turn off MSAA the game looks and plays great.
You didn't measure the game's frame pacing. I am on df's side.
THIS was an "unhinged vitriolic rant"??? Guy would die if he heard me discuss something that even slightly bothers me LOL
lol
So glad you found the time to do this Alex :D
I almost understand locking users out of the game files for GamePass games on PC.
But Microsoft does the same thing with purchased games from their storefront, which I think is ethically and legally questionable.
By installing their software, I've apparently given them permission to lock me out of parts of my own SSD or hard disk - it tells me I'm not authorized to view folders on my own computer.
To add to the insult, games will offer the option to install to another drive other than system drive, but still require the full size of the game available on the system drive because its going to install there first anyway, before moving. It basically means, and this is a bit future looking, you need to keep a minimum of 120-240GB of free space just to accomodate the nonsense. It might be a trivial amount of space for many, but that's not the point.
I reinstalled windows while i had gamepass pc games installed on my ssd. On new Windows, i wasn't allowed to even delete those games, let alone play them. I had to format my ssd to get rid of them.
@@Motleyguts Whoa, that's insane. We should be thankful our Lord Gaben is still with us, once he passes to another dimension we will be left only with sorrow and despair.
@@kartikranjha1533 What that is awful, wtf Microsoft! :O
-Bad PC port from Qloc. *Yakuza fans: First time, huh?
Dark Souls Remastered sends its regards
MK11 on PC crashed for months before QLOC fixed it last year. I dread seeing their logo. Sometimes they're fine but sometimes they're awful.
Yakuza collection dont even work on my cpu, even if they use the same engines as 0/kiwami, wich work fine one my computer, but they had to make it only launching on recent CPUs, literally the only game i cant launch...And since SEGA keep emailing me to say i can buy yakuza collection...
@@WolverineBatman You are wrong on this, QLOC Fixed Mortal Kombat X, because another company do the port and was awful.
MK11 was actually a great port on PC, used with lots of hards with no issues.
Game devs treat pc like second class citizens. Also why do pc players need gamepass?
Evil Within is an underrated game
I like the first game. the second one, not so much. Because it's a bit too repetitive for me.
I like both one and two for different reasons. One really has grown on me, and runs great nowadays. Really is underrated, and fun title.
@@Goatie89 the reason I don't like the second game because how you kill your enemy is very repetitive.
Yeah first is awesome, the second is a bit boring, the wide maps are just exhausting, the enemy variety is pathetic, and stealth is too overpowered.
The first game is one hell of a ride with great bosses and well-designed setpieces.
I think the first game was alright, but I liked the second way more. Semi-open world horror made it pretty fun. Some more variety definitely would've been nice, but I could say the same about the first game. Really hope we get an Evil Within 3 that capitalizes on what I loved about each of the first two games.
It's not true that Nier on PS5 fixes all the performances issues tbh. It's better than on the Pro, but there are still plenty of hitches and stutters to be found! I was playing it last night. Amazing game though, but yeah, just saying
Bro either I put a lottery ticket or I didn't have ANY issues at all. I played the GP version, finished Route A, and I didn't have a single stutter.
I played the game for like 40 hours+ on my PS5 and didn’t have any type of stutter throughout, not sure what you were seeing
I agree that it's unfortunate that kind of "independent" modding is not available on the microsoft store, but also, this is really on the developer to fix this, its not the stores fault that developers crap out on quality like this.. same goes for the bethesda account stuff..
Bethesda will most likely fix it but Platinum meh, they never patch their games so this is the best we’ll ever get from them.
The thing is you *can* access the games' files (and therefore I guess mods would work, but I haven't tried any), although it takes some messing around with the folders' permissions which kinda sucks and goes against a big part of what pc gaming is about.
@@GermanSonEu I tried to fix ultrawide for The Medium but could not get to the files no matter how I tried to grant permission myself. I could go so far as opening the folder with Microsoft Store games but could not find and edit the files(was trying for at least 20 minutes). You have no issues when doing this with other launchers but MS Store restricts you in access so it is a piece of crap.
@@Hopkins955 I was able to access the folders (just did today to rip some stuff from a game) but I agree that it sucks, it's confusing and discourages modding.
@@GermanSonEu I remember already that I could locate the file I needed but after having edited with HxD the permission was denied so could not save it no matter how I set the permission up. After 30 minutes I gave up.
I’m so glad someone is talking about the evil within.
First game was so good but the second was kinda meh, it was not as good as the first one.
@@zSPARTAA03
Exact opposite for me.
Waiting for your cyberpunk patch 1.2 analysis!
Wait, Cyberpunk got patched?
@@four-en-tee Yes, and the 1.2 patch is enormous.
@@four-en-tee yes, I think it's the biggest patch that I have ever seen in my life. It's five pages worth of update almost it's insane.
It's out?
that video should be LOOOOOONG. It is the biggest patch I've seen forever.
If you use a higher end and recent gpu instead of something from 2016, supposedly there's new higher resolution texture options that appear in the menus as an option on automata. Hopefully someone can decrypt and put them into the steam version
For Nier Automata on Gamepass you can use RTSS to lock at 60fps. You can't access the .exe file but : launch the game, then ALT TAB and press SHIFT+ Click "ADD" on rtss and VOILA ! sorry for bad english.
That's how i played it but it still doesn't feel like 60 fps. RTSS was also reporting 60 fps in Evil Within, as they showed in the video but actually it wasn't running at 60.
Or just use FAR mod. Err I mean special k. That's still possible
Is the Nvidia Control Panel a good way of locking to 60fps, or should I use something like RTSS?
@@iau The Nvidia Control Panel limiter works very similarly to RTSS actually, so if you don't need the overlay it's pretty useful.
I'm sure I'm missing something, but how do you lock at 60 if it drops to 59? I thought locking only keeps it from going above the number you set.
Did you try adjusting settings in the Nvidia control panel for Nier? The frame pacing seemed to improve for me when i used it to force a 60fps limit and V-sync.
So Bethesda's gonna bethesda, even with all the Microsoft money.
In a Philosophical way yes, but i still want to see the new games that release exclusively and probably better implementations of tech im the games. If not they can always ask TC and Obsidian for help with bugs and glitches.
Bethesda didn't make these games.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi Yet you have to login to a Bethesda account to get the "optional" features. They were the publisher for The Evil Within. You'd think Microsoft would be the publisher now and we wouldn't have to login to Bethesda to get all the features. But no.
@@SepiaQuotient Remember when Obsidian didn't get their money because the metacritic score on New Vegas was too low? (And remember how New Vegas was better than anything Bethesda ever wrote or has written since?)
Sure, they'll be happy to patch Bethesda's games. Everybody just loves the Creation engine.
@@Zastrutzki if you cherry-pick quests and moments then I agree. New vegas seems to have a Jesus like reputation despite being the worst overall fallout game apart from 76.
Unless I go offline, GamePass Nier will not even boot up, and when I am offline the game crashes as soon as I go to make any changes to the graphics settings.
The 3rd party mods are mandatory as they fix many of the crashing bugs in Nier unless you have the gamepass version...
I've just found a solution (Big thanks to u/blitzrox on Reddit): Go to System Configuration> services> Nahimic Services.....turn it off, then restart.
@@dangiambrone7350 Very weird... I Just installed the game but haven't ran it yet. You're using the regular Steam version right?
@@Hazama-Smoking Sorry, I should have made myself more clear. It was the GamePass version that I was having trouble with.
I guess I'm lucky. I downloaded Nier from gamepass a week ago, zero issues. Been using a 3440×1440 screen and everything works perfectly. Yesterday I bought a 32:9 3840×1080 screen, because I mainly use my PC for simracing. So my plan was to play Nier at 2560×1080 in windowed mode on that screen.
But to my surprise, the game had native support for 32:9!!! And not even stretched.
That WindowsApps folder deserves a circle of hell all to itself.
I'm so glad I bought g-sync display. I played GamePass version of Nier and those 1fps drops were just not noticeable thanks to VRR. It was actually pretty good experience after disabling MSAA. But yeah, they should fix it.
Yeah it's why VRR needs to just be standard on all displays from here on out. At least on PC almost all displays are freesync or g sync (freesync is probably the safer option since both AMD and Nvidia GPUs support it) but for consoles you still have messy support and PS5 still just doesn't support it. Shame really.
@@Skylancer727 I'm still waiting for a G-Sync Ultimate TV with DP 2.0. ;p
@@Skylancer727If I'm not mistaken G-sync Compatible monitors are also FreeSync monitors so also work with both GeForce and Radeon GPUs. Old G-sync (not G-sync Compatible, only G-sync) modules in some old monitors work only with GeForce.
@@kamil950 correct. Companies have to pay to have the G sync logo on their monitors so Nvidia added a clause that Freesync displays can be labeled as G sync compatible as Nvidia GPUs are more popular it makes the monitors sell more. Cheap move but not much to say about it.
Only thing to remember though is that many Freesync monitors support Freesync over both displayport or HDMI but Nvidia only works on Freesync displays with displayport. The LG OLED brand are the only TV with G sync support as of now, though Nvidia does plan on adding base HDMI 2.1 VRR support though it's not there yet.
What monitor do you have? My Samsung g7 g-synce range is 90-240hz :,(
Square Enix I recall when the PC version for Nier released actually halted Platinum and Yoko Taro from trying to patch/give better performance. In essence the heads of Square Enix wouldn't allow or fund for the devs willing to fix the game...
I wish some japanese developers care a little about PC ports...
Kingdom Hearts 3's PC port looks stellar from my time playing it, setting aside the lack of ultrawide support.
Platinum Games and IFI's PC ports are the exception rather than the norm, and they're most talked about and amplified, outside of say D3 Publisher's awful ports.
I don't think it's a matter of "caring" about PC ports of their games but rather just pure incompetence stemming from inexperience in making PC games .
They don’t even care about their console games. The PS5 is better but still got frame pacing issues so I wouldn’t award them anything on either platform.
Kojima’s recent ports have been phenomenal. MGSV Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain run really well on meager hardware and have great configurability. I’ve heard great things about Death Stranding as well.
@@KingKrouch Depends on the publisher. Bayonetta and Vanquish PC ports are solid.
That frame rate problem contagion from the Game Pass version to the Steam version of the game is even scarier than the game itself! It's downright supernatural!
Thank god you guys mentioned this hidden folder bs. I actually had to completely reset my windows install because I tried tinkering with it. A truly frustrating and rage inducing issue. Thank you for ranting ;)
Yeah its the absolute worst.
Imagine being tech channel but don't know how to do simple things such as accessing that WindowsApps folder. DF is really questionable.
@@runninginthe90s75 That's not how it works.
@@runninginthe90s75 Try tinkering with it my guy. It's not that hard to see what's inside. But you can't do shit once you're in.
@@helloguy8934 Don't get me wrong, i often messed the file inside WindowsApps folder. Its locked by default but once you have access and own the folder you can modify the inside them. It just DF didn't do research about this and they just bitching about it. Trying to click it over and over like dumb people.
On TEW (both GP and Steam versions), selecting 4k resolution only displays a magnified top left quarter of the screen on my LG CX 65" + RTX 3080. Anyone having the same problem/knows how to fix it?
You might not need this anymore half a year later, but just in case or for anyone else, I had the same issue with that rtx and my tv regardless of any mod or steam properties settings. Finally fixed it via:
Going to The Evil Within's install folder, commonly at:
\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\TheEvilWithin
Right click the EvilWithin.exe
Select the Compatibility tab
Click on Change high DPI Settings
Check Override high DPI scaling behavior
(Scaling performed by application)
@@anothersphere thank you!
I feel like the real issue with the Evil Within is that the developer never really intended users to be able to install the game on the same machine twice, a use case that falls well outside normal use parameters. As such, it is likely the issues being experienced are unique to having the game installed twice in any order, not specific issues to a platform. You could end up (as is suggested) with mixed or muddled configuration files, likely because where the game saves these (current user AppData likely) will not change between instances.
In fact, this could be an issue with installing any game from two different store fronts at the same time. When testing these scenarios, I feel like a two PC setup is required, otherwise which ever game is installed and played second will always be prone to additional variables and problems.
That's weird. I don't own EW1 on Steam and played the Gamepass version with no issues like these guys are having. There are evident framedrops despite it showing up as 60 but I've beaten the game and there's maybe 2 or 3 areas where that happens. Also no crashes or anything.
This was a great video. There needs to be more awareness of how inept the Game Pass app is on PC. Poor to no modding support, encrypted files, some games offer less settings and options, some games can't even be installed, installing updates issues, options locked behind logins??? along with numerous other problems.
i will never support releases where i cant access the game files on my own damn computer,
Ive used the store front for so long now, never had a singel issue with it other than no modding unless devs allows it.
You do not own Game Pass games you download. This is conditionally based on an on-going subscription, hence the lock out. I think if you buy a game to own on Windows Store, I agree access should open up to these files, but for Game Pass, Microsoft are absolutely within their rights to lock the files based on subscription access.
@@jpxdude Yep. It's just video game rental.
@@XZ-III So you don't support bringing awareness to current problems and issues plaguing a service? Without voicing concerns or problems for something they won't be fixed. I don't regularly use it but there is nothing wrong in giving criticism and current problems with something. I want the service to be good. If I didn't I wouldn't care to even comment. Competition is good. Steam shouldn't just be the dominant platform because with that they can become complacent or even worse, introduce bad practices and changes that people would have to deal with because it's still considered the "best".
They really need to piss off with only "fixing" the games on some "launchers" on THE SAME platform. Although keep that horrible UWP version away from Steam.
They need to piss off with not completely fixing the games, they don’t even try.
wE do it For The MOneY!
Can DF check the patched version of Automata and compare it to the older version with FAR as well as the GP version?
It still runs just as bad as it does. Gamepass version runs flawlessly
It's weird that you guys are having performance issues with the EW1 since the framerate was smooth at 1080p 60 fps on my 1060. My installed drivers(441.41) are from last November though as I've seen a ton of low framerates and frame pacing issues with the latest Nvidia drivers. Games like Divinity Original Sin 2 were having a lot of stutters with drivers after the December release.
I've beaten the main game as well played a bit of the dlcs and it runs really well. There's very few instance of framedrops like in Chapter 3's village area but the opening cutscene of the main characters driving to Beacon Mental Hospital wasn't that bad on my rig.
WindowsApp folder is actually not encrypted and is, in fact, accessible with a little tweaking within the security settings for that folder. A quick google search on how to access that folder will walk you through on how to do this. It's dumb that this kind of tweaking is necessary but it's relatively painless.
I had similar issues on the evil within (Had both GoG and game pass versions installed), managed to actually fix the stuttering on the game pass version by going to "%USERPROFILE%\Saved Games\TangoGameworks\The Evil Within\base\the evil withinConfig.cfg" and adding r_swapInterval "0" to the bottom and then locking the game to 60 via RTSS. Hopefully this helps anyone that had the same problem
I hate how he says there’s no fix but there clearly is if you actually look around.
For me personally the game pass version of Nier functioned better (mainly in terms of the cutscenes and visual fidelity of the game) I'm talking out of the box here (which is what I personally think it should be compared to, not the FAR mod version). So rather than a "I don't recommend X version" it should be "You mileage may vary depending on how much modding work you want to do". To get the original working when I played it I had to use FAR mod and spend hours and hours re-encoding all the cutscenes just so they'd even play at a stable 30fps. So for me the game pass version of Nier is better, it just works.
Yeah, i uninstalled the steam version because it ruined the experience even with FAR i had more issues with the steam version then when i uninstalled steam ver and installed gamepass version. It just works so much better and i can actualy enjoy the experience without all the stutter and weird framepacing.
I play on a 144 Hz monitor, and leaving the Game Pass version of Evil Within in "60FPS mode" it ran at 100+, but that led to the "gameplay problems."
I set it to cap at "30 FPS" in game and it basically became a 48FPS locked game (which is fine for me on a GSYNC display honestly).
I don't get why it capped it to 48 though. I was expecting it to halve my screen's refresh rate, so... 72, not 48. Weird weird...
Same probelm in fallout 4 the framerate cap at 48
Its from the outdated engine they use
You can actually set permission for the "app" folders in windows to access the files for gamepass games but it is a pain, if I recall it still used a windows 7 layout to set permissions. Had to do it for prey and metro exodus to get rid of mouse acceleration or some kind of input latency. The build of metro in particular was a disaster and prey wasn't much better. I fixed the issues thanks to some forums I came across but eventually canceled the service after I had to reinstall windows because I ran into yet another issue this time with setting permissions, they wouldn't apply no matter what I did probably because of it being a windows 7 thing.
The biggest problem with GamePass PC is the fact that it will glitch install games to other file locations if you have more than one drive. It begins with a default install change for using D: over your C: drive saved in your account. Then it may switch between Program Files locations to the Microsoft Apps folder. This happened to State of Decay 2 Juggernaut, installed in 4 locations between 2 SSDs! Basically if you use the GamePass mobile app to install games, one day your install will randomly change back from D: to C:. So you end up having to move your games back over to D:! You think all is well again but a patch or game update comes and it attempts to patch the game on your C: drive even when the game is on D! It’s so f$&@ up. No matter how many times you ensure your default install location config is set to D: GamePass will install to C: in error. That’s why some game updates break and your game icons disappear and or a game update may force a new install of a already installed game.
The difference between steam and gamepass versions of nier automata is that the game pass version works. Nier automata was the first game that I had to get a refund on steam, because it simply did not work. Now I can run at the native resolution of my monitor and also in borderless fullscreen mode, so the game does not explode when I try to alt-tab. The horrible visual artifacts and input lag is gone too. And compared to those issues, some minor stutter is absolutely nothing (I don't even care at normal difficulty). The game pass version is playable, steam version is not. And yeah, it's a bummer that you can't mod gamepass games, but the reality is that you should not have to install a 3rd party mod to fix major game breaking technical issues on a game and you should NEVER support a dev that doesn't even want to support their own game.
Say it louder for the people in the back. Fully agreed.
And then comes to reality when the developer does not want to add as simple as proper ultrawide support and you cannot edit the files to scale properly on an ultrawide monitor. I needed to edit files for The Medium but could not edit the necessary files because those were locked away...even after granting myself permission to the source library and trying to open in Hex editor the file my permission was denied. I would buy the Steam version anytime then in the crap format the MS Store is supporting...
Bruh Alex! You've got something REAL going on with your PC dude. Both the gamepass versions ran extremely well and smoothly on my Windows 10 1909 with fx 8350 overclocked and gtx 1060 6gb with 70~80 fps all the time. It's the steam version that's been problematic for years.
Lol I had no issues on my 1060 and beaten the game. I'm suspecting the latest drivers are causing issues.
@@trblemayker5157 From the start and towards the end, they are sure hating the gamepass, damn clickbait =)
@@jeushjodon1930 Kind of shows how half assed they did the tests. So many RTX cards they've tested yet only a 1060 with driver issues was available. Lol
Nothing is wrong with his pc. The gamepass version isn't really any different. Check again. Make sure they are using the same settings.
FYI framerate in MSI AB/RTSS is not the actual framerate, it's the number of API calls game engine makes. From CPU's point of view it might be perfect 60 FPS, but if something happens later on GPU level, like frames getting discarded from back buffers - it will look bad no matter what MSI AB/RTSS report.
I’ve had a terrible experience with the windows App Store when using game pass. I had an issue where after uninstalling a game from game pass the game files are still left on the pc in the hidden/locked windows apps folder. Actually forcing windows to remove the files was really difficult and put me off using it ever again.
I had a similar issue where I did a clean reinstall of Windows 10 and ended up having over 200GB of game files stored on my secondary SSD that were extremely difficult to get rid of.
Should do your research properly. You can in fact use FAR mod and inject high res textures on
Nier Automata gamepass version without issue.
how?
Pfft. Who cares. Just do that on the Steam version. It's the better version anyway. Many of far's features don't work in the gamepass version.
@@helloguy8934 All the features work just fine
@@fashric10 You can't adjust gi. You can't fix the bloom and ao either. The creator of far himself believes steam is the superior version.
@@helloguy8934 weird because i did all that before he even released the version for gp.
What about It takes Two comparison. Big difference between version
Okay so I own The Evil Within on steam and was planning on starting a playthrough today but would it be better to wait for an update or smth?
Thanks for putting yourself through this for this video! Its appreciated!
Don't forget the resolution for Nier Automata is bugged without modding too. Selecting 1080p output in the options actually renders the game at 900p. The Far mod fixes this also but the Gamepass version is out of luck.
You can notice the 900p output at 7:58 where the mouse pointer is stretched slightly.
Maaaan, that Nier OST in the Background, I literally can't listen to a word u say, it's just beautiful, I get goosebumps every time 😂😂😂
The hidden/inaccessible folder thing with Game Pass is something I absolutely despise and I'm really surprised it is rarely mentioned. It's a horrible thing to do. I guess I kinda understand the motivation, but it only causes issues in my experience. And at least with some games, it also seems to create "virtual" folders with the game's executable on every launch, which means that if you're using certain firewalls with more sensitive/secure settings, it will ask you to confirm the executable's access to internet every single time you start the bloody game (because the path to the executable is different on each launch). What a nightmare.
In Nier for me (Steam), the camera would lock in place often. I can move my character still, but she moves while the camera stays in a fixed, like she's detached from it. With auto saves only, having to reboot the game to fix it is maddening, as you constantly have to replay areas.
What about the stutter when going between areas? I'm pretty sure it's been alleviated in the gamepass version of Automata
yeah, the sutter in many areas are gone but they don´t mention
@@monolo45 maybe cause they were comparing far with gamepass?
They just said there are constant stutters on gamepass version of the game in the video.
@@Deliveredmean42 Nope, different kind of stutters. Automata og port had those + random stutters when traversing to different areas. You can take a look at their old video about it.
No. It still has hitching.
You guys are so nice.
You actually thought you were ranting and being vitriolic lol. You make me feel self-conscious now. I wish I could be more like you guys when I'm "ranting".
*Angry Joe enters the chat*
Whenever I'm asked to log into an account to access features in a single player game, I suddenly remember where I put me peg leg.
I played The Evil Within recently for a video, I found that it hates Freesync and Gysnc. After disabling it in Nvida Control pannel the issue cleared up.
yeah you must use vsync otherwise the game will run at like 15fps
@@whodatninja439 yeah, it is one of the only games on PC I have played that I had to fight with it that much.
Oh I also got 0 achiviments for beating the game... I have all the footage to prove it ... But not a single achivement
@@Torloth idtech 5 engine was a janky mess. none of the games using it ran well AT ALL.
Meanwhile every time I turn my pc on the xbox app shows up and has a "gamepass isn't available in your region" notification :3
change reigon from windows settings to usa or uk
We in reality non corporate land call this "Encouraging Piracy" As in making the retail version so bad it makes people want to pirate the games for a better experience
Free experience maybe, but better in what way?
@@tldr365 Less slow down, bloatware, stupid stuff like online log in to unlock features or "security" reasons. Stuff like denuvo adds alot of unneccessary bulk to game execution files and creates more performance issues. All solvable for pirated versions, making them the best version to play without paying a stupid amount to have all the DLCs
@@tldr365 Not to mention, being able tostore the entire game offline for future use years from now. A lot of games that require you to be online even for single player games won't work once servers are taken down.
@@milkteawithoutbubbles No. Pirated versions of the games have problems. Not to mention you can't use special k with them. Even if you do. You will likely run into save corruption, soft locks, and potential crashing.
One question: In the case of The Evil Within, why do you always refer to the older PC version as Steam version when it is also sold on GOG?
What about The Evil Within GOG version? How does that preform?
Imo the PC version of Gamepass (have had it for 4 months in total) is not really worth $10/month like the console version. Fewer games, crashes, issues with devices, issues with installations, disconnects, honestly it should still be in beta for $5/month.
It's worth it on console because it's they're not offering anything worth while outside of it.
Just finished nier and it’s a fantastic game, and I think even the most jaded gamer will enjoy it.
as a fan of both Nier 1 and Platinum Games, I absolutely hated Automata... so yeah...
@@kevboard why?
The combat was way too repetetive for me I got through 2 endings but didn't feel any need to truly beat it unfortunatley
@@Rithysak101 the hub world was terribly designed both in terms of the level design and artistically.
the fighting system was boring as hell in the best cases (playing as 2B or A2) and downright awful playing as 9S
also collision detection was janky as hell which made traversal extremely annoying.
then the bosses, all of which were forgettable and mechanically boring.
the magic attacks (let's call them that for consistency with Nier 1) felt mechanically worse than in Nier 1. they took over many from teh first game and while in the first game their trajectory was always based on the camera direction, in Automata they for some dumb reason changed that for many of them to be based on the direction your character is looking towards. and in general they felt worse to perform.
as a summary tho, for a Platinum Game is had not enough depth and the fighting system + bosses were simply too boring and shallow.
as a Nier game it didn't have the quality and quantity of quality characters nor the same quality in artstyle or soundtrack compared to Nier 1.
it's a bad Platinum Games game mixed with a bad Nier game. so I disliked both aspects of it.
now add to that another layer of shit that came from stupid sequences like the one where you have to cross half the damn world map while being damaged and while every so often your abilities just shut down (almost stopped playing there, what a shitshow) and you got a game I could barely push myself to even finish, and I only finished it because I loved Nier 1 and wanted to see the story through.
@@kevboard yo that's crazy that yoko taro can spend more money on this one game then the rest combined and pay platinum games to make good gameplay for the first time ever in his games and you actually think it's worse than the original nier lmao I'm dead. The dude himself has said multiple times this is the first actual video game Meant to be fun instead of purposely frustrating lmao.
Game Pass version fixes one thing that I have been unable to fix on Steam version: stuttering. And for me it is running buttersmooth as I am using G-Sync so I am not even sure if it is 59 fps.
True. I completed route a and didn't have a SINGLE stutter maxed out. Average fps 53-56 fps on 1650.
2:54 I honestly cannot tell the difference here. Maybe some graphicals differences, but this has nothing to do with fps (or does it?). What changes?
Please do performance analysis on Genshin Impact. Your contents are comprehensive and greatly appreciated.
i think gamepass is fantastic but on PC its really hit or miss. i have a lot of problems with resolutions and screen size on a lot of games with the pc version.
Same here, hit or miss. Great way to see if I like a game enough to buy it somewhere else. I get crashes to desktop in some of the games a good bit.
No modding is a complete and total miss. Absolutely garbage.
@@TerryMartinART yeah same. Wolfenstein is a perfect example. i ended up just buying the game on steam because the res was stuck at 720p and was greyed out so i couldn't change it.
When I played Automata for the first time, I tried to play it without the mod, and the most egrigious issue I had with it was how the longer my play sessions, the lower the framerate would go, I don't know if this is something that only happened to me, but I would start the game at 59fps, and as time went on, it would start dipping and staying dipped, a hour or so the game would be running at 45~50 fps, it would never return to the framerate of when I started the game, even in least hardware intense areas.
I don't know if the gamepass version also has that, but if that issue is fixed, just that alone would make it better than the unmodded Steam version to me.
Using nvidia’s vsync and setting the frame limit to 60 through rtss for nier automata completely fixed the stutter for me on the game pass version.
You know it's serious business when they reinstall windows just to properly play Evil Within 1 of all games
Reinstall windows??
@@rofflesvanwagon yeah its the only beathsda game i like besides doom
@@rofflesvanwagon zero games are worth reinstalling windows to have to play them.
@@DroneCorpse That sounds a lot like a you problem
@@sardiax no, that sounds like you guys have some seriously low standards....
Great video, DO NOT try to mod games on xbox game pass PC, ignore all threads online saying this can be done, if you modify that locked folder in anyway game pass will no longer work and you can't launch any games or download any games. I made the mistake and it it took 3 days of searching and trial and error to get game pass back to factory settings and able to download and play games again, I thought I had to re-format. Never modify the game pass folder you will regret.
Back when you couldn't touch the game files (you can now freely bypass the restriction by installing in a different folder), you could still install global Special K and inject mods into nier freely, lol.
@@SandeMC Just never modify the GamePass folder if you make it writable GamePass will no longer function and it's not easy to get it working again. I'm not sure if installing to another folder would bypass the problem or not, if that folder is writable by default after you install than it would probably work, but if it's locked by GamePass you might run into the same issue I did.
@@malcolm341 Literally just enable external folders in settings and you can install in any folder without encryption and freely mod it
@@SandeMC Oh cool, good to know. Thanks for the tip.
It’s just so unfortunate that SE has such an unexpected success with Automata and yet they treat the PC version with so little regard. Thank you DF for your great analysis as always. Honestly didn’t know about that ‘no modding’ aspect to Gamepass, what a bummer.
Could someone give me the link on how to use the swapinterval fix ?
My eye twitches every time he says "GAMES PASS"
The Evil Within is good stuff. So much atmosphere, creativity and variety.
Only issue I have had with game pass pc is dirt 5. Sometimes when opened the game is not centered in the screen. I can only see the top left corner for some reason.
Ohhhh man, I've been waiting for this!
The Evil Within is a masterpiece, one of the best games ever made!
I hope we get evil within 3
@@CL-el9bd I hope too! 👍
In the gamepass pc app go to the game and klick on the ... (3 dots) right next to the Start Game icon. There you can turn on mods (recently did it on pillars of eternity II)
Unfortunately, as another commenter noted, this is on a game by game basis. Nier doesn't have this option.
I wonder if these FPS cap issues are misguided attempts from the developers to do the “low lag Vsync trick” as described by BlurBusters where you can the framerate just a hair below monitor refresh to bring latency down (at the cost of the occasional microstutter). The thing is, a whole frame is way waaaaaay too much - Guru3D threads/BlurBuster’s recommend something like true monitor refresh value - 0.01 in something like RTSS for example, a whole frame means you’ll get constant stuttering while -0.01 means you almost never do/almost never notice it.
Thanks, great video and testing
Wow! There is more salt in this video then almost every DF video in recent menory combined, but right fully so.
I wish these companies would get porting companies to do their releases, it's clearly obvious many do not have the technical skills to do the game justice on the PC.
So sad is not fixed 😢
I can confirm that the per-object motion blur effect is completely defunct in this version of the game.
Weirdly, I’m on a 1060 6GB but my Game Pass Evil Within autoconfigured to the 30FPS lock, not the 60fps.
Inconsistent frame pacing throughout on my end too but I personally never found it to be unplayably bad.