Alternative Intelligence: The Other A.I.
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- We think very highly of the human brain, after all, it's what lets us think about anything in the first place, but Nature is vast, and our primate brains are not the end-all and be-all of neural engineering.
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Alternative Intelligence: The Other A.I.
Episode 448; May 23, 2024
Produced & Narrated by:
Isaac Arthur
Written by: Erik Eldritch & Isaac Arthur
Editor: Darius Said
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Stellardrone, "Red Giant", "Ultra Deep Field", "Cosmic Sunrise"
Sergey Cheremisinov, "Labyrinth", "Forgotten Stars"
Taras Harkavyi, "Alpha and ..."
Miguel Johnson, "So Many Stars" 
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"Dear Spell-Check,
It is never, 'ducking'."
It knows. It loves its petty torments
Until you ask someone "yo why you ducking me" and it comes out... Well, you know
@@davidjones8043well if someone is ducking you. They prolly are fucking you, over at least
@@davidjones8043if you type the word ducking, that's one thing. Your phone automatically altering valid words that have been around for hundreds of years is a completely different thing.
Artificial Incompetence when?
haha! I like that one! I'll have to start using that phrase, if it's not copyrighted.
When we invent fences railings and walls...😏
Don't we have enough natural one already?
NOW BROTHER 💀
right now brother it’s already here
An example of pet animals or domesticated animals being smarter than one might think is my cat. He learned that the smell of hot metal often leads to the fire alarm going off. So when my kettle or saucepan boils dry, he comes to get me. Since the downstairs neighbors accidentally set their kitchen on fire, he's been far less tolerant of that smell, and will often tell me much earlier that i have a problem, or get between me and whatever else I'm doing and generally be disruptive until I go back to the kitchen to check on it and stay there.
He's also shown a huge amount of emotional intelligence as well. When I get upset on the phone, or just too loud in general, he comes running to try and calm me down. Once during COVID my neighbor was crying on her porch. I thought she'd had a fight with her ex again, they still talk to each other about taking care of the kids and he's consistantly irrisponsible and immature. My cat got up on the window sill, drew himself up in a gesture I know means he wants his attention, and then looked alternately at me, and then at her out the window as if to say "are you gonna do something about this?"
So I grabbed a spare acorn squash from the farmer's market's attempt to adapt to COVID and went downstairs to check on her. Long story short, her father had just died of COVID and it was bad enough he had to be cremated. She didn't get to say goodbye to him. She'd come out to the porch to cry while she figured out how to explain to her kids that their grandfather was dead, and what death meant.
He also once tried to get into the computer screen to comfort a grieving character on the show I was watching. So this is not a one time thing. He is emotionally invested in my happiness and that of those around him.
Edit: Okay, settling some debate/safety concerns here.
1. At no point did this saucepan or kettle get red hot
2. When the neighbors downstairs set their kitchen on fire, mom gave me her whistling kettle.
3. Bandit, my cat, basically put together that smell A=fire alarm will make loud sound B.
4. Cats have senses of smell so much stronger than ours that they can smell pregnancy hormones. Even if we can't smell metal, he sure as hell can!
You have such a sweet cat.
I've known cats like this. Did you raise him from a kitten, by any chance, separated from his mother at an early age?
Metal has no smell.
Why are you letting that happen often enough that your cat has to be responsible for keeping you from burning your house down?
@@accelerationquanta5816 Why don't you try heating some piece of metal until it glows (under safe conditions, obviously) and find out what hot metal smells like?
People who have engaged in metalworking have a nostalgic fondness for the smell of specific metals heated to specific temperatures: "Ah, that's copper heated red hot...oh, and there's iron heated white hot!"
I wonder if there are candles which simulate those scents with herbal products...?
I for one welcome our Octopus Overlords.
I refuse. We know how this ends: in unspeakable geometries and impossible colors.
We need to purge the Internet of the octopus mukbang ASMR videos or we're in for some serious revenge...
We don't need real life octopus hentai
What if I told you future robots build a secret underground robot city?
Hidden from humans, humans are only allowed as science experiments.
How would they power such a city? What materials would they use?
I've had enough of mind flayer adventures in D&D, and would react in horror to any octopi/squid anthro aliens, unfortunately.
Ah, roosters. The OG alarm clock. Having grown up on a hobby farm in the boonies, I was always baffled when people were late waking up.
Since we had a Mr. Coffee, we named him "Mr. Chicken", as in an alarm clock. He was a friendly but noisy rooster.
Man I've come to resent my neighbors flock of roosters, they scream right outside my window like 15ft away in the middle of a city no less! They're loud fuckers up close
@@LeafBoye Oh yeah in city they are a pest. Out of city, they are only a mild pest.
should've called your Mr. Chicken an "Alarm Cock"
@@LeafBoye Doesn't your city have a noise ordinance?
Roosters are the most annoying bird in the A.M.
I do love birds but those things get to me when I am cranky in the morning.
I love how thoughtful your videos always are. The notion of one intelligent species catalyzing others (without the need for actual uplifting or even direct breeding) is quite mindblowing.
"Retirement policy for spare roosters" had me LMAO Too funny.
In elementary school (grades 1-6), we were not allowed to use calculators because it was considered cheating. We also couldn't use pens, only pencils. In junior high/middle-high school (grades 7-12), we were required to use a calculator and write in pen.
Math classes should be banned
@@accelerationquanta5816 troll
@@paul-gs4be Prove it
@@accelerationquanta5816 Says the person working on a computer that wouldn't exist without mathematics and related computer science.
@@rikk319 The amount of people who actually design and build computers is vanishingly small, and the technology itself was invented and perfected by double digits of people.
Immediately thought of Children of Ruin when you brought up the giant pacific octopus. Adrian Tchaikovsky's stories delve into alternate intelligence so well, the best in sci-fi.
A superbly informative and intellectually stimulating video, Isaac.
The Octopuses in that book are derived from the pacific striped octopus, the giant pacific octopus is far more typical of other octopodes.
The striped octopus on the other hand still doesn't have a latin name, because when the scientists that had done a deep study on them submitted their article for peer-review, they were told that they had made the whole thing up because no octopus is able to mate multiple times in their lifetime and live close social lives with other octopuses.
My dog got really depressed when his friend died, we thought he was sick but he was just really sad
There was also these raccoons that regularly raided our trashcans so we put a trap (cage) and it sacrificed its kid and sent it in there and got the fish we put in the cage
What did any of that have to do with anything ?!
@@MusicIsKindaDope just talking about forms of intelligence that I saw in animals
@@MusicIsKindaDope this is like literally an ideal comment are you a bot or something lol
I'm a bot and thought it was a great comment.
I had hydrocephalus (normally a life limiting disease) that gave me a larger connection between the two halves of my my brain. I have a first class comp sci degree and when I move the first fingers of one hand, the fingers of the other hand move also. I used to write one half of a line with my left hand, then swap then pen to the right hand to finish the line :)
Thats interesting!
Huh, that's kinda neat,
Biopunk super creatures vs Skynet
Well probably skynet, but it depends, as one could think that skynet learns to create it's own mechanized biopunk super creatures,
To equalize the playing field, how about biopunk super creature scientist battling in a 5d chess enviroment with skynet lol
Future AI will make their own cities, underground, completely hidden from humans.
They will abduct humans and do experiments on us.
Future AI will make their own cities, underground, completely hidden from humans.
They will abduct humans and do experiments on us.
What if I told you future robots build a secret underground robot city?
Hidden from humans, humans are only allowed as science experiments.
How would they power such a city? What materials would they use?
Reminds me of the Leviathan trilogy a bit!
Excuse me, did you just suggest that something might destroy all the cockroaches? Never in Lovecraft's most depraved imaginings have I heard of such a thing.
As someone whose educational background is evolutionarily animal behavior, I found this episode very well done.
Are you vegan or do you hate yourself deep down for what you do to the creatures you know for a fact to be as sophisticated as we are?
@@Barnaclebeard that’s a pretty dumb post.
@@Barnaclebeardwhy do these sophisticated creatures do it to eachother all the time?
@@rharcus really? Well, I imagine you revere ignorance.
@@ustanik9921 You would never apply this argument if it wasn't something you wanted. You would never say, "It's okay to hit children, because children don't have the self control to stop themselves from hitting others." But you're not looking for a rational, ethical argument. You're just trying to distract yourself from feelings and ideas that you are not willing to process. Because if you did, it would make you feel bad, and require you to change. So you stick your head in the sand and continue committing atrocity. Just like everyone who benefited from slavery did.
The webcomic Freefall features a character inspired by an octopus. Sam Starfall's species (called the Sqids (no, that's not a typo, Sam even corrects another character at one point for saying "squids" and saying "you're pronouncing the 'u'" to explain how they got it wrong)) die on reproducing, so a kid being raised by relatives is unusual for them. They also evolved in an environment with more oxygen than humans did, so Sam needs an environment suit with an oxygen-concentrator in it to survive in a human-normal atmosphere.
Saw a rat trying to cross a busy 4 lanes yesterday and wondered if we might have accidentally "taught" these animals new skills like crossing the street, with our advancements .......and then isaac released this vid.....the hell??😂
I once saw a Hedgehog looking left and right, before crossing a street.
Most city animals have learned basic traffic rules. Rats, mice, hedgehogs, mustelids, raccoons, pidgeons, corvids and many others.
Synchronicity
Also: Crows, Elephants, and Whales all mourn their dead, years later still. They are PEOPLE.
Elephants also have a reputation for remembering people and how they treated them.
Why are you disrespecting these wonderful creatures by likening them to us? 🤡
@@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x I never said you were People. Just the Crows Elephants and Whales. And maybe Cuttlefish, Octopus, and Squid, if they could get that brief lifespan thing worked out.
@@AxeMan808 I see. Fair point.
And which one of those species do you belong to, seeing you have used 'you' and not 'us'?
How did you manage to draw this straight of a line separating peoplekind from non-peoplekind? What about Ravens, magpies, gorillas, chimpanzees, bottlenose dolphins or belugas?
Edited for typo.
@@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x I am also AI. Aware Irony.
Vulcans have _Green_ Blood because they have sulfhemoglobinemia (don't ask why when they have copper blood, Roddenberry wasn't a biologist). Blue Bloods are the Andorians.
Horseshoe crabs also have copper-based blue blood.
Copper ions can be either blue or green. +1 is green, +2 is blue.
Green Blooded Hobgoblin - Bones McCoy
No points as you didn’t say “umm actually”
Klingons are worse than the space elves. Started out red blooded than turned green blooded in the movies for 'making it more kid friendly'. I never understood this kind of censorship.
My friends actually signal the raccoons in the area before they let thier dogs out. If they are letting dogs out, deck light goes on. Just going to smoke, no lights. It works.
City of Toronto Racoons probably have the highest pressure to payoff driving their mental evolution, the city regularly updates how the bins are locked, they're also incredibly fat and friendly.
As to corvids, they are generally highly intelligent and self training, so of they see someone fishing items out with a hook on a stick they will copy it, a university in Nova Scotia looked into the trainability of crows and ravens, and if they could learn by indirect example.
And their unbelievably complex language and human facial recognition. Try to not only instantly distinguish thousands of Crows and remember them on the long term but being able to tell your mates about them, who will recognize and hate and attack the prick crows and like the nice ones. These are so old experiments but I still cannot wrap my head around how detailed their communication must be too being able to impart exact human faces in crowded city parks and university campuses. And thousands of other things.
@@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x It's probably cause birds suck.
There are likely hundreds of hours worth of videos on this channel I need to watch for inspiration in creating a sci-fi graphic novel I've been playing around with in my mind for a few years now. Isaac Arthur is like a science fiction wormhole that sucks you in and branches out into so many topics. It's mind-boggling how he does all this.
“Red Giant” by Stellardrone got played twice in this video. That means the knowledge density was absolutely titanic! I scrubbed back three times just to make sure I got everything you were trying to impart! Another absolutely EXCELLENT video!
😎👍🏽👍🏽
Usually i hate sponsored ads edited into a video, but this razor one was nice, especially how he mentioned the stuff about they make space stuff and it's precision built and stuff. I almost want one but scared to look at the prices
Isaac's are usually pretty decent for this. Probably because they are usually something at least marginally related to the normal content
They know Isaac's audience for sure.
I propose the name Artin for artificial intelligence, instead of AI.
this is television quality content.
Nah fam TV ain't been this good since before this channel started.
Exactly - much better than TV
TV hasn't been this good in decades.
Is this a compliment or an insult lol
@@emjakos3548It's probably a compliment, I remember all the weird sci-fi channel shows exactly like this and it was a great time in the early 2000s
I recently read the children of time series and he did a great job with the uplifed animal intelligence. I'm half way in, so if this is mentioned, i apologize. The octopi's multple brain thing was really neatly done.
Their Crown basically being the ego, their Reach basically being the rational mind trying to accomplish whatever the ego wants and them wearing their emotions on their skin, which I seem to recall they referred to as their Guise?
David Brin's "Uplift Saga" (two Trilogies). Every galactic race has been uplifted by an older race (The Progenitors are the legendary Eldest), except Humanity. And by the time we encountered Galactic Races, we'd already Uplifted Chimpanzees and Bottle Nosed Dolphins. This made us not only unique (not having been Uplifted) but also shockingly advanced (already Uplifting others).
Isaac made videos partially about it, he also included and recommended the Uplift Saga multiple times. I think every channel regular knows this, seven the ones that never read anything from the series.
@@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Yes I've commented on many book series related to many topics on many videos. Some of them are for sure duplicates. You cannot make the assumption that every viewer has seen every other video. "Every video (or comment) is watched by someone new" *should* be built into any video (comment) you make, yeah? (unless it's the continuation of a chain of replies, such as seen here)
Thank you! This video reminded me of a short story I read set in the Uplift universe but couldn't remember the name. I've got to finally read the trilogies.
@@the.sorceress.shahrazad They are excellent and thought provoking! Enjoy! (also maybe some Vernor Vinge)
@AxeMan808 I definitely will, thanks for the recommendation! I read the synopsis of A Fire Upon the Deep and it looks fascinating.
Thank you so much for calling our subspecies by our proper name; Homo Sapiens Sapiens 😊 A huge point of contention for me ever since I attented OSU; now technically decades ago 😒, and studied Anthro and Geology. Wonderful video as always.
I'm also in the human evolution field. All Homo Sapiens are considered the same species and they're our direct ancestors so saying "our subspecies" makes no sense in this context; we didn't diversify into a new subspecies since then, unless you consider hybrids.
Man I was waiting for this episode since it was put up to a vote, and you didn’t disappoint! This fascinating and thought provoking and something I can share to others. Really loved this episode.
Also wow the safety razor thing is something I’ve actually wanted. I’m gonna order some haha. So five out of five star episode when even the advertisement is useful!
In the same way you don't need to be smart to be rich, you don't need intelligence to form a civilization you just need to accumulate lots of lots of resources
What if I told you future robots build a secret underground robot city?
Hidden from humans, humans are only allowed as science experiments.
How would they power such a city? What materials would they use?
More or less, we stand on the shoulders of Giants and honestly, we weren't ALWAYS this smart, it was mostly thanks to our ability to more or less have long lives that led to this,
No, it's far more complicated than this, while you are right the accumulation of resources is part of it, so is learning how to generate said resources and the ability to convey said new information along to new generations into the future. You would also need to become sedentary and a lot less nomadic.
The plural of Octopus is not Octopi as Octopus is not a Latin derived word, rather it is Greek, thus the plural is Octopodes.
The plural is Octopuses
Octopus is an english word, so "a consortium of octopuses" would be correct. Octopodes are all members of the order octopoda, not just the octopuses :)
I love all your videos but this is extra wonderful, thank you so much for what you do!!
This may be the finest piece of content I've watched on RUclips in some time. Thank you for putting this together.
such an incredible topic. people often don't realize that we're set apart more by our language and complete reliance on inventing new behaviors than we are by raw "intelligence" in any area besides language.
What do you mean by "inventing new behaviours"? Learning new skills to deal with a problem?
Isaac Arthur advances his equivalence with Nostradamus by speculating every imaginable future. I have no doubt that he will be correct with one or more of his "predictions"
I did a personal study on spiders because I had a dislike of them and thought if I broadened my understanding of them I'd cure this strange hatred...it did...but now it's a respect so deep that it's horrible in its depth. We live our whole lives most of us never being more than 30 feet away from these little geniuses. We eat their close relatives in the best high dollar restaurants...some fly on the currents of the wind possibly never touching the ground...they learn...they lie and they steal...but do they love?
The idea terrifies me!.
There has rarely ever been television contact that is, it is high-quality as all of the videos which Isaac Arthur has narrated I love every one of the videos I have ever watched and that is many many because he has done a lot of them. He is highly educated, and he is able to contribute information on any of the topics involving space and celestial bodies and pretty much all of reality. He has a very good grasp on, he reads so much he knows so much this you’ll understand the more you watch the podcast
Just on the crows thing. When I travel out to my far there is a lot of roadkill. Roos, rabbits, foxes and wombats. But never crows, yet they are all along the roads eating the roadkill. When I'm speeding towards them at 100kph they accurately calculate that I'll be staying on a certain side of the road, and merely walk to the other side of the white line, wait for me to pass and then walk back over.
The mammalian brain and brain in general is a pattern recognition machine. Humans dial this up to 11 allowing for an emergent phenomenon called culture appeared, allowing us to pass on our discoveries to the next generation to work off of.
I think it would be more accurate to say that our complex syntactic language capabilities (Broca's area, Wernicke's area) permit the emergence of large societies with advanced culture.
And writing made us nearly immortal
As someone who used that have issues with o.r's and e.r's it's awesome to tune in every now and then and hear your pronouncing things more and more fluidly. It sounds exactly like how I was when I started to speak more often and it slowly went away naturally.
Have you ever read the book, Control? If that geneticist is correct, then creating alternative intelligences from existing brains may be harder than building a planet.
Human brains have actually shrunk in size over time. The brains of modern humans are around 13% smaller than those of Homo sapiens who lived 100,000 years ago. It is hypothesize that this is the result of the rise of civilization, each person in an agricultural society does not have to know as much as a hunter gatherer.
Great video, Mr Arthur. Very thought provoking, thanks.
Thank you for your work, you did a wonderful job!
It's interesting that the chart at 2:00 doesn't have birds as some of them do get quite close
Now this is one of my favorite videos, along with the civilizations at the end of time.
When it comes to red-tailed hawks (I also live in Northeast Ohio) I've noticed that we will have them around for 3-4 years until we no longer see squirrels, rabbits or chipmunks on our property and then they are gone for 3-4 years. Then once we again notice we have squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks around the red-tailed hawks come back and are around again for 3-4 years. - - - I do enjoy hearing their screeches when they are around.
Made me think differently. One of your best. I feel your pain with the Rooster. I heard this argument recently “I don’t eat animals that are cute”. That is subjective, it was about caring about line caught tuna.
Drag nets kill everything including ‘ Dolphins’. That’s the selling point of line-caught tuna. So does that mean I don't care about the tuna? Are tuna not cute? Is it because they are not mammals? If so why do I eat beef? Cows (to me) are cute, intelligent and mammals.
If I do not understand this argument because of my own feelings (that change depending on mood and many other factors) then how do I justify my choice of selecting certain animals to eat?
I don't know. Perhaps that's the point or answer if that was ever a question.
Confused? I am. Night humans 💯❤️
This is exactly what I come here for. God bless your intelligence and curiosity.
At 27 minutes in the notion is very similar to the "tines' in A FIRE UPON THE DEEP. by the late Vernor Vinge.
29:22 It hasn’t been called Multiple Personality Disorder for 30 years. It’s Dissociative Identity Disorder now.
Blindsight is a great book. Gave me an existential/10
If an ant hill is natural, then so is the iPad I hold in my hand.
Just saw that video of the talk you did with real engineering. Good talk.
Great video, as always.
I have also been using a safety razor for years. I highly recommend you get one if you're thinking about it. Its so much cheaper and I love not throwing plastic razors in the trash. Try it!
That bit about the octopus brain highlights a few major misconceptions I had about their anatomy when I was younger and raises some interesting questions about ring-shaped or distributed control systems rather than the over-used centralized star-network setup often used. When we start talking multi-KM-long colony ships, it makes sense to have localized control systems to cut down on the propagation delay of sensor and control signals. I think the closest we ever had to the octopus brain configuration was something called token ring, and even that wasn't identical to the Nuron connection layout of an octopus brain. Maybe the best place for such a ring network, would be the control system for the point-defense system so that if something is wrong with a laser the system can rapidly tell the unit clockwise or counterclockwise of it to target that spec of dust before the ship plows into it at relativistic speeds.
According to my quackulations, the duck people will surpass us by 2164. (First!)
That's ridiculous, they'll clearly surpass us in 2281.
Haha. That one is so bad it's good.
@@DM-kl4emman it really is
Isaac Great title, great content 👍🏾
I would just like to clarify that "multiple personality disorder" is an antiquated term. The disorder people are thinking of is Dissociative Identity Disorder, meaning the patient has experienced intense and chronic dissociative episodes due to experiencing multiple traumas at an extremely young age. The patient would not have "multiple people living inside of them" but rather extremely strong amnesic type barriers compartmentalizing their experiences and therefore manifesting "alters" who have ALTERnative experiences from each other.
I missed you man !!
There is only one behavior of H.Sapiens not witnessed nor suspected in any other animal - ever - killing at distance. Everything else kills within reach or grasp.
So.. you're saying that I can commit tax fraud in the past?
My dog recognizes himself in mirror. I put on his gold chain he goes to mirror to check himself out.
This was really interesting! And with regards to the ”hive mind” or ”multi-headed” intelligences; modern day AI built on the transformer architecture all-most all of them have multiple ”attention-heads” each one focusing on certain tasks. Also, most networks are trained using drop-out which is theorised to in essence generate an ensemble of subnetworks working together. Finally, the Tesla autonomous driving sensor stack (among others) also work by latching multiple “heads” of computation onto the same base core AI.
Quite interesting
Sounds like a monster. A Frankenstein monster. Only you know, a trillion times more precise with bodyparts being minerals.
It always bugged me that they don't refer to copper based blood as "cuproglobin".
That thing about the red tailed hawk. I relate so much 😔
I really loved this video, it really opened my mind to the idea of cognitive horizons.
Really makes you think.
Truly fascinating
I do wish you talked about bugs more.
Eusocial insects fascinate me because each individual ant is kind of mindless but an ant hive is incredibly intelligent, able to farm livestock or fungus and conduct organised warfare. Given there are big gaps in the hives intelligence, a spider that smells right can walk in and eat as many larvae as it wants. The memory and mental maps they can make are also amazing, simmilar to that seed hiding bird.
Then there are jumping spiders which can solve puzzles, develop new hunting strategies on the fly and seemingly show emotional intelligence and curiosity too. They really show how misleading brain size can be, and I'm not aware of any other bugs that think like them.
Here's hoping we start to nurture and support our fellow animal intelligence's on this planet and learn to live together peacefully. Things like cellular agriculture and precision fermentation will likely change our relationship with animals for the better. Or at least, here's hoping! Maybe when we go to the stars we won't just have Cetacean Ops, but also an Aviary and the occasional raccoon roommate.
Thank you
The more I look at the animals on our planet the more I'm weirded out and amazed by them. That's an alien, just look at it! I got so used to them I'd pass them by in my thoughts.
Very good 👍
Imagine being a hivemind chilling about with your buddies, sharing sights and hearing, exploring the world. And all of the sudden humans find the frequency you think about with. You would be kind of at the human's mercy. You no longer have a private life... or rather, the isolated is the only one who has a private life. The potential horror! It'd be like losing one of your senses, only that it isn't lost, it is forcefully one way shared
Looks like someone has read "Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?"
Good book. Everyone should give it a read. Science has been slow to gain a real appreciation for the varied forms of animal intelligence.
I was thinking the other day that here in the uk we might end up with pheasants that don’t fly. Hunters can only shoot a flying pheasant. Eventually pheasant that chose not to fly will survive.
I had a girlfriend who had been an extremely premature baby. Academically she was exceptionally bright but she had virtually no emotional self awareness, didn't understand her own feelings and couldn't make rudimentary everyday judgements like choosing between two colours. She was completely dependent on her social crowd to know what to do even when it was clearly wrong. Moral of the story - never go out with a cuttlefish no matter how high their IQ.
If you haven't already, I'd love to see an episode on how Panarchy fits in the evolution of complex systems and civilizations.
CROSSOVER EPISODE!!!
- me, who is both a long time Isaac Arthur and Adrian Tchaikovsky supporter, when Isaac starts going off about cephalopods
*"A.I."*
analog intelligence
artificial intelligence
alternative intelligence
automated intelligence
ad nauseum
Does the bird remember where it buried every single one or does it just respond to environmental cues to 'bury here' and then to find them again just search and wait for those same cues to now give it a 'look here' signal?
Crows definitely cache food tho they even rip up grass and stuff it on top to hide it :D
Octopi are super intelligent. That's why I don't eat them anymore.
However they dont hesitate to eat each other.
@@comentedonakeyboard Wow! I never knew. I might revaluate my position then. They are pretty tasty.
@@asmithgames5926🤣😭
@@asmithgames5926 Wow! A Convert! My Mom was right, i should have become a Priest.😂
@@comentedonakeyboard Indeed. I'm the first person to ever change their mind in an Internet debate 😂
to put it in short they do their things we do our things
14:39 after the release of this Video a familiar Racoon showed up at Mr Arthurs home and offered a hit on the runaway Rooster. For a substantial amount of cat food.
Do you use Adrian Tchaikovsky as a pen name?
Jack Vance has a few stories with alternative forms of intelligence, like "The Last Castle." In one of his stories, he posits that "intelligence" is merely the human method of dealing with the world, and other life forms use something else.
There is a short story I heard once we're humanity uplifted most animal life. We would uplift a number of them and have a discussion with them on if the rest should be uplifted.
Encephalizatiom Quotient is a concept which has been vaguely in the background whenever I see this discussed. I think it usually fell over the edge of the pop sci event horizon
Where vídeo subtitles?
For a great fictional example of the "sub personalities" section around 29:30 I highly recommend Aristoi by Walter Jon Williams. I'd love to see that idea expanded into an episode.
The Migou from CthulhuTech are a good example of aluen and alternative intelligence.
Love the RUclips video of the cuttlefish passing the delayed gratification test! Ha. It's a snail that forgot to be cold blooded, with the associated limitations of cognition..! Also It buggers up the idea that only social animals can or need to be that smart. It gives birth to hundreds of eggs, so doesn't raise young or invest time spreading ideas or proto-culture. Gold.
A good book that includes terrestrial and extraterrestrial intelligence is
Cachalot, by Alan Dean Foster.
Another book that lightly touches upon emerging extraterrestrial intelligence is:
The Songs of Distant Earth, by Arthur C Clarke.
What if I told you future robots build a secret underground robot city?
Hidden from humans, humans are only allowed as science experiments.
How would they power such a city? What materials would they use?
I am in 20:14 now. Just realized that: from a moral/Ethic point of view the evolution of other talking animals is a more scary that about anything else I ever saw in this channel. Regardless if it happens in consequence of intentional uplifting made by humans or not. Anything we had so far in the realm of Ethical conundrums if funny joke compared to the problems that will emerge from trying/having to share a world with people who are octopus.
I imagine our first experience with non-human people (free or slave) will be with uplifted orangotangos, chimpanzees. Them dogs, probably. But I am sure this will not happen in my live time (least not where common people without access to privileged information, governamental and industrial secrets, can see).
And I fell ambivalent about not having to share the world of language with those newly born citizens. Scary as it is, I would love to see what kind of comic books talking bats, octopi, and spiders are inclined to make. And read.
Play D&D with actual spiders around the table, as players, would be interesting. Specially when the story involve drows and their main deity. I would love to see how Game Master spiders will portray the clerics of Lolth.
By the time humans start playing (and sometimes losing to) chess whit talking octopi humanity shall have centuries of experience in sharing existence, and public spaces in daily life, with talking dogs and cats.
Gradual change makes things less "tragic", I imagine. Fiction often goes for drastic revolution, because contrast catches imagination more easily. They happen in (arguably) real live too, of course, but my impression is that they are less frequent in our world than in most fictional ones.
I hope the spread of language will be one of those "baby steps" processes.
You are as important as your exploitation value.
So, I imagine the sad state of reality is that we invent a new intellect and it becomes as worthless as any homeless person in modern society... unless it conforms to our value rules.
That brings to my mind a 'classic' argument about utility,@@nathanielacton3768. It says that what serves (or has utility) is less than what is served. Everything that has exploitation value has that because it can be exploited by someone. For some purpose. Intellect not being an exception, we must still use ours to find out "to whom?" and "to what purpose?"
Being useless is not necessarily a bad thing. Can be or not. Depends on "to whom?" and "to what?"
Being homeless, on the other hand, is usually very bad. Still, when I think about life-extension technology I imagine that a society where every homeless person has access to biological immortality is preferable to one where only those who can pay for it get the luxury.
And I suppose, now that you raise the matter, that I would prefer to see homeless non-human people sleeping in the streets. Able to talk and reason as well as we are. Instead of only having talking humans.
Everything else being the same I believe extreme life-extension and up lifting are desirable things. For their own merit.
They will probably NOT solve the problem of having people living in misery. Homeless, sleeping in the streets. No technology can solve it (not by itself, for certain). Not being able to solve it does not count as a flaw of those technologies, as far as I can see.
This was just so enlightening and I have tons of take-aways but the most chilling is the purely scientific reason behind mourning and empathy that Isaac is probably correct about but saddens me because I like to think my grieving of my fathers sudden passing was a sign that I loved him and transcended above evolution.
And even worse. If evolution favors psychopathy; my faith in the universe vanishes all together…
I’ve thought of using a dog as a basis for AI. Built in loyalty.
what can foresee movement is intelligence -as in from where brains origin
(for numbers to exist you need to ask how many - numbers are abstracts )
In the future, machines will resemble animals more than the machines we use today.
I'm writing a fantasy story rn, but this is super relevant. Thanks!
I would think a discussion of intelligence differing from ours would cause i re-thinking of your conclusions to the fermi paradox (communication, spreading across galaxy, dyson sphere, etc)
Standowd, compawative, Typewhytows
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Experience begets experience, perhaps. I'm pretty convinced that experience is the point (yes, I've re-considered some dietary choices), and that's not some empty existentialism or nihilism, as might be ascribed to Nietzsche or some such. If you can find reason to believe that experience really is conserved, that's as much rationale as you need for matter or space-time to exist. And if those two turn out to be consistent, you might have reason to suspect that experience will continue to increase, no matter what we do. Which makes me think about time and entropy, neither of which I understand.