I think I'd go with the standard version and spend the difference on doing track days. That would make me a far better rider than electronic suspension will.
That's not necessarily the case. If you absolutely want to develop your skill ride a smaller displacement bike. The electronics can actually help your learning curve by not making you pay for mistakes. (a high side is not fun).
Such a great comment.and there is always a suspension guy there who will set up the bikes suspension just the way it needs to be for rider weight and abilities and you just shaved off 5k in the process.
Agreed, not afraid to speak his mind nor offer an alternative (and non-scripted or PR neutralised) view of racing. You'd wouldn't believe how dedicated to winning he is via training, motivation and focus. Underneath the entertaining exterior, he's a proper sportsman.
Wouldn't it have made sense to also give Scott the standard, non-S, to run a lap on to see the difference?! He's a great guy and good to see him but why not take the opportunity given the title of the vid?!
I really feel no more informed as to whether one is better than the other. No more information is really provided that I couldn’t already read off Ducati website lol. Oh well 🤷♂️ all I got was main difference is ones electronic, and one is not. This is basically the movie in a nutshell.
Dave Moss says to just get the Base model, the showa front is great and so is the rear he said. So just pay $60 to have a suspension expert set it up and it will save you 5k.end of story.
I suppose 0.7 sec is relatively insignificant if you not racing. One can obviously argue that a better handling bike is faster, but for general road or track riding which bike feels better, more stable in corners and confidence inspiring. This might be more relevant I think.
Michael Rutter has tested both and actually went slightly quicker on the base. The ohlins is nice bling but the average buyer isn’t getting anything other than a fuzzy joy feeling by owning something flasher. The one size fits all spring rates and older spec stuff is going to be less good than buying an after market ttxgp with the right spring and an nix30mm carriage kit. So that’s the best option. The S is just a nicer, flasher version that can potentially go slightly quicker. And there’s no problem with somebody wanting that
but that the kicker a properly set up suspension most people dont really know or care enough to learn how to set up a suspension they just want to enjoy a weekend track day with there mates a v4s give you the ability to setup or let the bike make its setup for you in an easy to understand and simple to implement way and it looks killer as well
well i own the v4s and i can tell you that it isnt worth it for most . 80% of the people dont even adjust their suspension on a bike when they buy it anyway .so this hard to notice dynamic mode they talkin about will make a difference for them , i think not . and whats that amateur way of 'proving' that the s is faster . its also not even true , effectivly the difference is the heavier wheels , wich isnt much . acting as if it comes from the suspension is fake and bullshit
I think you put the dot on I, bravo man so rare this kind of comment that's what I want to hear from someone who owns an v4s I've looked to nearly all of the v4s reviews to see an comment like yours. You drop the courtain,,,thanks for your opinion
@MARCUSAURELIUS i dont know as i had the 1199 base before this one , and that suspension was so terrible (marzoccci) that i spend 2900 euro for ttx36 rear - fg front cartridge . thats half the differense between base and s already and then you still have the heavier wheels and the trade in is much lower with a base . if stock suspension is guaranteed enough for me then yes
Yes good comment. If your not into track days and not to fussed with the finner details, dont plan on riding like your on a track - the the base model would be more than enough ? ( currently riding a 1250 VROD banger ). slow as a wet week it is . . Just want something for a bit of straight line open road stuff .
Idk if anyone else noticed but big shoutout to the rep who didn’t oversell the electronic suspension. Kinda knocking the questions down a little with realistic expectations
Thanks for your comments but it's designed to be an entertaining yet informative way to give potential buyers an idea of what's different between the two bikes. I recorded about 20 laps on each bike, not necessarily the ones shown.
@@dancarlos1216 Baught mine for 1000 (Euros). The Marchesinis are very common, you can fit some from any Panigale model you can get hold of. For a track bike, an upgraded base model is probably the smarter option.
your wrong there buddy the v4 does not compare too the v4s i have a 2019 v4s Corse and the difference is insanee and u can set it too turn off seelf adjusting so u get best of both words, beforee commenting know what ur talking about please
Personally speaking when in 2008 I bought a brand new Ducati 1098 STANDARD not an S or even an R. That was a happy happy day when I went to pick it up 👍😀 Instead of getting an S I got a full termi exhaust system which for the road gave the bike an awesome sound. Then in 2008 it was £2,000 now it’s £6,000 I believe. Horses for courses
Really enjoying the content of this channel at the moment! A Ducati V4 is my dream bike. Best get saving quickly as I fear ICE bikes will soon be a thing of the past :(
Bennetts Bike you have done a lot of videos on many topics so not an easy question! Maybe you could do a series on the history of certain bikes such as GSXR, ninja, CBR etc, and give advice on which model is best, and what to look out for if you are buying second hand. I am sure I speak for a lot of people when I say I can’t afford a brand new super bike so a critical review of some older models would be cool and informative!
In my Opinion the much bigger selling point for the S model are the forged wheels ;) If you are being serious on track you won't neither of the oem suspensions you put your own in ;)
Now the real question is do I go for the new 2020 v4 or save a load of cash and buy the 2020 V2. I'll probably never take it on track anyway, so the V2 is more than enough for road use.
Now the real answer...the v2 has no power...too hot...uncomfortable af and whit time you will want to upgrade...the y call it the..baby ducati for a reason...go whit the v4.
Interesting that he says preload is preload. Set that and you are done. Sag should be the same in all modes right? Unless you are adding luggage weight or passenger weight. Wish the systems had built in sag measurement so you could load the bike as needed and add preload until the sag read the correct amount. On this bike do you get to specify compression and rebound rates or is it just selections for firmness, low, medium, or hard, or I should say soft medium and hard. That is all the choices I have on the Multistrada, just 5 levels of damping firmness.
I'm a big fan of electronic suspension for road use... but on the track I suspect a properly set up quality ohlins manual suspension will outperform the e-version.
I’ve got the V4S and I find custom fixed is better on both the track and road though more noticeable on the road as the track is more predictable and the dynamic can handle it better. On the road I feel the dynamic gets overwhelmed and as a few reviews have said it feels like a different bike constantly, hard to trust the front!
I'd take the V4R anyday gives you more feedback on the track, the Electronic Suspension overwhelmes the feeling of the bike feels you have trainer wheels in a bicycle, but it's not a bad thing I just want more feedback when I'm on the track so still V4R anyday
That can be related to the balance that the Ohlins offers - but bear in mind the two laps shown were representative and not necessarily the exact timed laps.
Little bit too serious, take a leaf out of 44Teeth’s book, especially with Scott Reading... he is a great guy and a real laugh! Love the technical, just had a balance.
Truth be told all its is is a step motor that resets and sets the clicks depending on which mode you choose, it really isnt better or worse. I would say the standard bike revalved and sprung correctly for one's riding style and weight would be a better ride for a lot less $$$. All the electronic adjustability is all marketing BS.
No way with a good rider you go faster with funky electronics suspension than with some classic ones set up properly! Lol everybody knows it doesn't work on track when u go fast enough
4:35 HAAAA. I love hearing that from an actual racer. "I could happily race that bike" That bike that is sitting in my garage... I think ill set off some cops w/ it! XD. Happens every tyme. *knocks on wood* they never do catch me.
I think I'd go with the standard version and spend the difference on doing track days. That would make me a far better rider than electronic suspension will.
That's not necessarily the case. If you absolutely want to develop your skill ride a smaller displacement bike. The electronics can actually help your learning curve by not making you pay for mistakes. (a high side is not fun).
you talk So user Friendly relevant.
Get an r6 for learning track days
negative i have a 2019 v4s corse, and ill tell you there is ahuge difference between the v4 and v4s if your a real rider you would know
Such a great comment.and there is always a suspension guy there who will set up the bikes suspension just the way it needs to be for rider weight and abilities and you just shaved off 5k in the process.
If I’m Ducati I’m putting Redding is the press everywhere. He’s great marketing for the new youth in the sport.
Agreed, not afraid to speak his mind nor offer an alternative (and non-scripted or PR neutralised) view of racing. You'd wouldn't believe how dedicated to winning he is via training, motivation and focus. Underneath the entertaining exterior, he's a proper sportsman.
Yup, that's probably why Ducati lost him.they blew it.
Wouldn't it have made sense to also give Scott the standard, non-S, to run a lap on to see the difference?! He's a great guy and good to see him but why not take the opportunity given the title of the vid?!
Love my 2023 V4S. The only thing it sucks right now is low speed drills. It hates going slow and constantly stalls.
I really feel no more informed as to whether one is better than the other. No more information is really provided that I couldn’t already read off Ducati website lol. Oh well 🤷♂️ all I got was main difference is ones electronic, and one is not. This is basically the movie in a nutshell.
Dave Moss says to just get the Base model, the showa front is great and so is the rear he said. So just pay $60 to have a suspension expert set it up and it will save you 5k.end of story.
0.7 is kinda huge in a race. 15 Laps and you are 10 sec ahead.
Your math is correct. But for 5k tune and exhaust and your way ahead
I suppose 0.7 sec is relatively insignificant if you not racing. One can obviously argue that a better handling bike is faster, but for general road or track riding which bike feels better, more stable in corners and confidence inspiring. This might be more relevant I think.
Michael Rutter has tested both and actually went slightly quicker on the base. The ohlins is nice bling but the average buyer isn’t getting anything other than a fuzzy joy feeling by owning something flasher. The one size fits all spring rates and older spec stuff is going to be less good than buying an after market ttxgp with the right spring and an nix30mm carriage kit. So that’s the best option. The S is just a nicer, flasher version that can potentially go slightly quicker. And there’s no problem with somebody wanting that
Bruce Wayne any links to the Rutter tests? I’d love to see them. I’m leaning towards the base as of now..
Another good one, thank you. Notwithstanding cost, the 'S' for me. Beautiful looking bikes though, both. 🤘
I rather buy a full system exhaust with the 4000
I bought both.
Man! I thought he crashed when they sped up the side by side footage. Lol! 😬
James Kim same here
Lol 😂 same here
I rode both, V4S ftw for comfort especially I ride mine on a daily basis.
yessir i have a 2019 v4 Corse and theres a huge difference between the v4 and v4s
I’ve got the V4S and properly set up fixed suspension still beats electronic each and every time, road or track...
but that the kicker a properly set up suspension most people dont really know or care enough to learn how to set up a suspension they just want to enjoy a weekend track day with there mates a v4s give you the ability to setup or let the bike make its setup for you in an easy to understand and simple to implement way and it looks killer as well
Can't the suspension on the v4s be set to not adjust itself at all times, essentially rendering it fixed?
well i own the v4s and i can tell you that it isnt worth it for most . 80% of the people dont even adjust their suspension on a bike when they buy it anyway .so this hard to notice dynamic mode they talkin about will make a difference for them , i think not . and whats that amateur way of 'proving' that the s is faster . its also not even true , effectivly the difference is the heavier wheels , wich isnt much . acting as if it comes from the suspension is fake and bullshit
I think you put the dot on I, bravo man so rare this kind of comment that's what I want to hear from someone who owns an v4s I've looked to nearly all of the v4s reviews to see an comment like yours.
You drop the courtain,,,thanks for your opinion
@MARCUSAURELIUS i dont know as i had the 1199 base before this one , and that suspension was so terrible (marzoccci) that i spend 2900 euro for ttx36 rear - fg front cartridge . thats half the differense between base and s already and then you still have the heavier wheels and the trade in is much lower with a base . if stock suspension is guaranteed enough for me then yes
Yes good comment.
If your not into track days and not to fussed with the finner details, dont plan on riding like your on a track - the the base model would be more than enough ? ( currently riding a 1250 VROD banger ). slow as a wet week it is . .
Just want something for a bit of straight line open road stuff .
Idk if anyone else noticed but big shoutout to the rep who didn’t oversell the electronic suspension. Kinda knocking the questions down a little with realistic expectations
Why does this sound like a sales pitch for a v4s 🤔.
Also how can you compare laptimes when there is lots of traffic involved 😑
Thanks for your comments but it's designed to be an entertaining yet informative way to give potential buyers an idea of what's different between the two bikes. I recorded about 20 laps on each bike, not necessarily the ones shown.
The forged wheels alone are worth almost $3,000. Definitely worth the money if you can spend the extra cash.
@@dancarlos1216 Baught mine for 1000 (Euros). The Marchesinis are very common, you can fit some from any Panigale model you can get hold of. For a track bike, an upgraded base model is probably the smarter option.
@@dancarlos1216 for the same price of v4s or even less you get a carbon wheels in s1000rr m package
And instantly redundant content thanks to a product launch today. Now the question is V4 or V2
How many S owners probably haven’t even set preload? Only ever gonna be as good as the base model if the basics are set
do you no how the preload is set?
I prefer standard. I don't what a computer to think for me.
your wrong there buddy the v4 does not compare too the v4s i have a 2019 v4s Corse and the difference is insanee and u can set it too turn off seelf adjusting so u get best of both words, beforee commenting know what ur talking about please
@@PRODiViN4 Michael Rutter would disagree with you. He went faster on the base V4!
How long will electronics last ? With the amount of heat and weather conditions it goes through. I would take the v4r though
Not electronic and a whole £10k more than the 'S'! Our review of the R will be up soon...
Anyone else thing he had two nasty highsides when that timelapse hit lolol?
gran0208 definitely haha!
I thought that too
Ducati is all about Performance and Beauty!!
1:33 gave me shook. I thought you're gonna crash!
It's certainly an experience to let Ducati Dynamic mode figure things out.
According to this review which model is better overall for both track and the road use V4 or V4 S.
Personally speaking when in 2008 I bought a brand new Ducati 1098 STANDARD not an S or even an R. That was a happy happy day when I went to pick it up 👍😀 Instead of getting an S I got a full termi exhaust system which for the road gave the bike an awesome sound. Then in 2008 it was £2,000 now it’s £6,000 I believe. Horses for courses
Really enjoying the content of this channel at the moment! A Ducati V4 is my dream bike. Best get saving quickly as I fear ICE bikes will soon be a thing of the past :(
Thanks Matthew - is anything particular you'd like to see?
@@bennettsbikesocial The road test between both suspensions would be interesting to watch !
Bennetts Bike you have done a lot of videos on many topics so not an easy question! Maybe you could do a series on the history of certain bikes such as GSXR, ninja, CBR etc, and give advice on which model is best, and what to look out for if you are buying second hand. I am sure I speak for a lot of people when I say I can’t afford a brand new super bike so a critical review of some older models would be cool and informative!
In my Opinion the much bigger selling point for the S model are the forged wheels ;) If you are being serious on track you won't neither of the oem suspensions you put your own in ;)
Very true felix.
Now the real question is do I go for the new 2020 v4 or save a load of cash and buy the 2020 V2. I'll probably never take it on track anyway, so the V2 is more than enough for road use.
Now the real answer...the v2 has no power...too hot...uncomfortable af and whit time you will want to upgrade...the y call it the..baby ducati for a reason...go whit the v4.
Interesting that he says preload is preload. Set that and you are done. Sag should be the same in all modes right? Unless you are adding luggage weight or passenger weight. Wish the systems had built in sag measurement so you could load the bike as needed and add preload until the sag read the correct amount. On this bike do you get to specify compression and rebound rates or is it just selections for firmness, low, medium, or hard, or I should say soft medium and hard. That is all the choices I have on the Multistrada, just 5 levels of damping firmness.
I'm a big fan of electronic suspension for road use... but on the track I suspect a properly set up quality ohlins manual suspension will outperform the e-version.
I’d bet the other way but would love a good fair comparison test
@@Warner1981 Yea me too...
I’ve got the V4S and I find custom fixed is better on both the track and road though more noticeable on the road as the track is more predictable and the dynamic can handle it better. On the road I feel the dynamic gets overwhelmed and as a few reviews have said it feels like a different bike constantly, hard to trust the front!
would like to see the road review.
Good plan
Nice video, greetings from Argentina!
I'd take the V4R anyday gives you more feedback on the track, the Electronic Suspension overwhelmes the feeling of the bike feels you have trainer wheels in a bicycle, but it's not a bad thing I just want more feedback when I'm on the track so still V4R anyday
And you adjust the suspension yourself just like on the standard model.
@@ashten92 it has finer adjustments for pro riders to tweak
You seemed quicker on v4s in corner speed and exits👍
That can be related to the balance that the Ohlins offers - but bear in mind the two laps shown were representative and not necessarily the exact timed laps.
£4K for the electronic gizmos. That's 2/3rds of the cost of an entire bike for me !
Now compare the V4S to the V4R 😊
Sorryimtruthful V4R review is coming soon!
Looking forward for this one 🤣
It definitely looks like the s model can carry more speed out of a turn.
"it's a race setting but it doesn't adjust itself".. Can someone explain this to me?
it's set and not altering things as you go........
Very very helpful. Thx
Little bit too serious, take a leaf out of 44Teeth’s book, especially with Scott Reading... he is a great guy and a real laugh! Love the technical, just had a balance.
Great video
Get the standard and whit the extra get the full exhaust system.
Nice video
Thanks!
chakri achey?
Another beautiful bike that I can't afford and lack the skill to ride it proper.
Start on a 600, you can get a used one around $3000.
Truth be told all its is is a step motor that resets and sets the clicks depending on which mode you choose, it really isnt better or worse. I would say the standard bike revalved and sprung correctly for one's riding style and weight would be a better ride for a lot less $$$. All the electronic adjustability is all marketing BS.
Just get the V4s. You will be happier in the long run.
I wonder how much they cost when they wear out and you have to buy a new one :D
No way with a good rider you go faster with funky electronics suspension than with some classic ones set up properly! Lol everybody knows it doesn't work on track when u go fast enough
Short answer. No.
The simpler the better
Nice commercial
4 Grand lolololol Let that sink in !!
V4s
Are Bikes Electric? Trackside Mechanic.
I stick by Japanese bikes....more durable
4:35 HAAAA. I love hearing that from an actual racer. "I could happily race that bike" That bike that is sitting in my garage... I think ill set off some cops w/ it! XD. Happens every tyme. *knocks on wood* they never do catch me.
K5 gsxr is quicker round the track
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