In my book just comparing a $26k bike to a $40k bike speaks volumes. Aprilia does an amazing job for the pricepoint. You could just take that extra cash and upgrade the bike and it would be way better than the other bikes.
A tune, a race exhaust (without that low-end limiting valve) and some carbon fiber wheels and you are still cheaper but more nimble and really fast. Aprilia people know you spend 99% of the time commuting with those, not track day'ing. I prefer the colorful version of the RSV4. As for the sound, no contest, Aprilia!
@@estebanod ...did you say..."otherwise"?!? if the point is to compare their flagships then you have to consider the fact that one is at least reasonably-current and the other is x years old but then Aprilia will add some racing stripes and call it an upgrade
but here the thing people who are interested in this types of bike are nnot as price sensitive coming from a person who owns a v4sp2 and a v4 speicale its all about the drama the fit and finish those are who value bang for buck alaways ride japanese there simply better in every regard when it comes to value cheaper more reliable part are more available and labour or diy work is far easier.
The Aprilia is almost half the price lol. It should be compared to an S1000RR and a V4S lol. You can buy an RSV4 Factory + a Tuono 1100 for the price of the BMW or the Ducati lol. FYI, I bought the 2022 RSV4 Factory and it is the best bike I have ever owned!
I watched this on the Xbox and then had to log in on my phone so I could comment on how great it is to see a comparison by guys who KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOING!! Not enough of this nowadays, and we really appreciate your work!
Have you guys ever considered that having the carbon wheels plays a role in the ability for the brakes to slow down the rotation of the wheels due to the extra Kg on the rear and extra 700grams on the front wheel. The rotational inertia difference is massive at high speeds. I bet If you put carbon wheels on the Aprilia there will be 4 distinct differences you'll feel. 1. It will accelerate faster 2. It will stop faster 3. It will feel way easier to lean over side to side. 4. It will feel sharper (more accurate) Something to keep in mind the differences mentioned : stopping, leaning over and power delivery at that HP and Torque numbers the wheels definitely played a role between those 3 bikes.
Would 100% agree....rotating mass is huge in every aspect......you would have to put those on the Aprilia to give it a fair shake.....Braking, suspension, turning, handling are all affected... Just having your suspension tuned specific is huge deal..... Would think you want manual adjustments for track and semi active for streets
I would even go so far as to saying the fact that it is 7-10k cheaper you can use that to do upgrades as follows. Full titanium sc project pipe (even the euro 5 one for comparison sake) Carbon wheels Race ECU flash Vortex stacks (this will solve the sluggish feel) And if still in budget brake/master cylinder upgrade. 1 tooth smaller sprocket in front. That would put the bike in the same price range. Or cheaper still and then do a comparison. With the 3 bikes. Yes its not stock but with an apples to apples comparison is in order to level the playing field.
@@MegaTechpc you do realise that every gram counts when it comes to rotational mass. As a matter of fact when wheel alignment is done the rotational mass is adjusted per gram of weight at a time. That is how big a difference is for every gram.
@@igitsolutions yeah I realize that, my point is that for average riders like me the stock bike is way more than fast enough as is. Carbon wheels and a full exhaust would just be a waste of money for me. I don’t go to the track and the stock exhaust already sounds amazing on my RSV4
I don’t know why this video brought out hordes of Aprilia stans, but they’re all over. Maybe because 99% of the ‘superbike’ videos that I’ve seen are just comparing the Ducati and BMW, so they’re just happy to be mentioned for once?
Nice test! Thanks. Got my RSV 4 last year. No joke, for me it is the easiest bike to ride. And I had many. No need to adjust anything even on the track. Maybe I am not fast enough but anyway I do have my share of fun! Out of my 13 bikes I had (59 years old) it is the best one ever.
I'm on my 2nd RSV4 (2020 RR). Just an amazing bike. The engine and handling are so good. Every time I try to ride something else I just want to be back on my RSV4.
Ive owned an Aprilia RSV4 and absolutely loved it. Pure nirvana. Id like a Ducati Panigale now not because its better but because Im so blessed to live in a time with such incredible machines that inspire the soul.
Shame the bikes for the USA market are de-tuned so much ! Here in the UK they all make over 200hp at the wheel! Worth pointing out the Ducati and BMW are £35k here but you can get an Aprilia RSV4 discounted for less than £20k - all these bikes are special - just out of this world performance now and the electronics are on another level !
@MajinBroly That's good you can unlock the potential - we can tune over here too without restriction - everything from Turbo's to NOS is available, but most of us juts get a race exhaust and map ... with the Aprila you can buy the exhaust and get the up-map free, I think Ducati do their own map too. It makes a big difference having the bike full power !
@MajinBroly Technically, it is illegal in the US to tamper with any emissions controls, but it is rarely enforced. It is currently a $5,000 fine per vehicle. In 2018, Harley Davidson was fined $12 million for selling aftermarket parts that increased emissions on its motorcycles. That's why most of those parts have "Offroad Use Only" either stamped on them or in their paperwork.
@@GoVols2015 they make all models suitable for Euro and US markets but I think for some states in the US the emissions are tighter ?? over here it seems we have a lean spot at 5000RPM then it's WHAM. !!
@@sk2283 I know this comment is 4 months old but just wanted to answer. Only California has tighter emissions. Then, by state it is different on enforcing. In Michigan we do not have any emissions or safety testing so after you register your vehicle it's a free game to modify however you want. In states like New York it is required every year to safety and emissions test. Some states only have safety and others only have emissions. Most of the time you can just pay off the guy doing your inspection though and all is well.
Nice comparison. I drove many bikes, the S1000RR is such a beast and reliable. My goodness from zero to 240 in fourth gear and figting to stay on the bike... Incredible power. Ducati is it's own league of itself, the sensation on any model is special... Also special is all the troubles and high maintenance. I owned an Aprilia RSV Factory R, the emotion, the reliability and funfactor is amazing. It's like the BMW but with a rough edge and an unbelievable sound. Aprilia is the one to buy, it will always give you the smile you want and doesnt destroy your wallet every single time you go out 🤣
One of the worst looking bike. That overly protruding winglets look like a fast food tray stuck under the headlights. 2020 was the last good looking RSV4
I don’t know what these guys are talking about regarding the “softness or lack of bite on the Aprilia’s brakes? Granted, I’m not riding at track speeds but whenever I squeeze my brakes my face feels like it’s about to rip off, and I only have the RR with its last-generation Brembo M50’s! Braking power has never once been something I’d consider a weakness of the RSV4, in fact I consider it to be one of the bike’s strengths.
Agreed - but not as disappointing as omitting my 1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250. That bike would absolutely destroy these new litre bikes - especially with the throttle wide open....
V4 first model started 2018 and now we reached 2023 and still selling not stop, that is the answer why it is the best bike all over, 5 years with the same model is huge success , one of the greatest super bike ever built
The Aprilia RSV4 factory has been selling for 13 years now with no decrease in sales. Safe to say it is the better "budget bike" like it was said in the video
@@kevinbacker7477 i totally agree bro and i tried my self one , the main thing to know that its not comfortable for a 6ft biker , here is where Ducati win i own v4 and im 6.1 riding it very comfortably i can't ride the rsv4 for 30 minutes 👍
I know you're not supposed to choose a bike judged on looks, but that's exactly what I did. Ducati is the best-looking bike hands down! Not to mention it's a bullet on rails.
@@thedragonofechigo7878 definitely not as exotic as it gets looks wise. MV agusta still tops that category, and if you really want exotic, try hub steering bimota's.
I appreciate these guys doing the work, their knowledge, and dedication. That said, it is all but impossible to test modern superbikes whose ECU’ s are stock and haven’t been derestricted. The manufacturers are forced by govt agencies to severely restrict them mostly due to emissions and top speed limitations. Every single modern literbike will make 190+ bhp after being derestricted. The Ducati actually makes around 220 bhp and the Ape around 211. I’ve seen a 2022 ZX10R make 202 at the wheel and an M1000RR that made 201 at the wheel, a Fireblade that made 216 bhp and so on.
You might want to watch "The Most Expensive Motorcycle from every Manufacturer" video on the "bart" channel. There have been a lot of motorcycles with ridiculous prices. I guess that rich people need to spend their money on something. My favorite story is about the Ducati Desmosedici RR in 2007. It was initially assumed that only 500 would be made and many collectors bought them at around $72,500. Ducati then decided to produce another 1000, making it much less rare.
Cool to hear your opinions about what looks better and how they felt. Would also like to hear what lap timed quicker? What was the weight differences? Were you all quicker on the Ducati?
Lol, missed it too. Half the price, most powerful and it got so much "shit talk" for the weight, yet it was the fastest xD Also another comment pointer out you could still get carbon wheels, Ecu map, exhaust and all that jazz and still be below the price range of the other two. Aprilia seems like the honest winner
1st time watching you guys from here in the UK. Very enjoyable format of discussion. The Ape is at least £15k (around $18k US) cheaper. It would be interesting to see someone spend that difference on changes to the Ape and then compare them
Carbon wheels make a stunning difference to handling and a tiny difference to acceleration. I went from a base 03 aprilia RSV Mille with cast brembo wheels to an 03 RSV-R with forged OZ, and Ohlins suspension aside, there really wasn't much of a difference. But finding a set of Dymag CA5 for a very reasonable price on eBay UK for my RC8R, I can honestly say the difference is immediate and impressive - it really is like losing 20+Kg off the bikes weight.
Nothing like that RSV4. I would go for it. In all honesty? The V4 SP2 is supreme. Time for the folks at Aprilia to finally modify the RSV4. Carbon wheels, an ECU change and a new exhaust system would make it the champion again. ⭐ 189 on the dyno. Let's go RSV4.
One thing I've found fascinating ever since I got into motorcycles around 2008 is that when I would look at older comparisons of liter bikes from the early to mid 2000's and maybe the late 2000's, they had faster 1/4 times than the newer bikes. Granted the reported trap speeds are now higher, but it's rare to find a reported time of under 10s now while 10 s flat was mediocre in 2004 per the reports I read 10-15 years ago. Same thing with 0-60 and 0-100 times. They used to report mid 2's to 60 mph and high 4's to low 5's to 100 mph. But in this comparison, they are reporting mid 3's to 60 mph and mid 5's to 100 mph. I specifically remember a Sport Rider article from 10+ years ago showing several bikes', mostly 1000's but also a 600 or two, acceleration data in a speed vs time graph that showed 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 times significantly faster than these bikes despite being 50+ hp down on power compared to these. Of course, for high power motorcycles, particularly at low speed, wheelies are the first limit on acceleration, not power, but this is odd. Is it based on the measurement methodology, or maybe it's about the launch electronics on the new bikes? One thought is the 1 foot rollout that car magazines tend to use which significantly reduces reported acceleration times. However, my understanding is that motorcycle publications have never really used that methodology, even in the early 2000's. Another odd thing is that I often see faster reported times from non-motorcycle specific publications. One good recent example is the Hagerty videos featuring a Ducati V4 SP2 drag racing a Corvette and a Lucid. They recorded a 1/4 result that was 1 second quicker AND 7-8 mph faster. That cannot be explained by the 1 foot rollout effect. Maybe it is related to the surfaces that the motorcycle publications are using now? Can anyone shed light on this? edit: forgot a word.
I think the main cause of the slower drag times is the taller final gearing on most bikes to comply with emissions. The gearing just keeps getting taller(longer). Like 100mph at redline in first. Everyone goes down on gearing to put them back in the ballpark.
@@josephferazza7686 That is a good consideration. However, weren't liter bikes 20 years ago also pushing 100 mph in 1st gear? Also, the modern bikes are able to wheelie off the line with some clutch slip, so lowering gearing shouldn't improve acceleration, only reduce clutch abuse. This idea also doesn't account for the Hagerty result. But gearing maybe be a factor. I remember being disappointed by the significantly higher 1st gear in my 2013 Triumph Street Triple (maxes out at ~77 mph compared to ~65-ish?? in previous model years) for emissions reduction.
@@tezzrterry7485 The bikes are still capable of wheelies off the line with their current gearing and ecu power allowance. That means power and gearing are not the limiting factors on acceleration, now or then. Maybe centers of mass were lower or farther forward from the rear axle allowing greater acceleration without wheelieing. All of this assumes the bikes actually are slower in low speed acceleration now rather than a change in measurement methodology. Perhaps there has been an industry-wide change in methodology? It would have to be a big change to account for a nearly 30% increase in 0-60 acceleration times.
@@KneeDownRider the Kawasaki is far behind all competitors in Stock form,only if you rady spend 10 to 15 K more maybe the Kawasaki can compare.But who wonts spend that much money on a Kawasaki and after that is not eaven street legal💁🏻
@@zero_stars like i say yes if you build the ZX 10 RR for the Track yes but in Stockform the ZX10 RR is far behind the Competitors.Many Tests shows that the Kawasaki was a couple of Sek behind the SP2 in Stockform to compare 4 sek on a Track you probablly have to spend 15 K on the Kawasaki wich cost as Basic Model 28 K that means the Kawasaki will be cost more than a Ducati SP2 after this treatment and the Bike will be only allowed on Track and not Street legal.Belive me i am on the Track for Years and i have eaven Japan Bikes in my Garage and many many Trackdays and Amature Race allrady.The Kawasaki is an Old Bike Kawasaki has to make a Evolution to catch up.
@@justinhoffman5726 not all The CBR RRR or the R1 M are good Bikes out of Box .Honda is on Track eaven as Stock Bike very competitive but struggle a lot if you ride the Bike on the Street because of the long Gearing and the Power wich is only in higher rpm.Under 8000 rpm feels like 600ccm abut when the Power kicks in is brutal.On the Track dosent matters because you are allways in higher rpm on the Street is disapointed
Rob have all 3 a Worked MV F4 RC and a 2016 Kawasaki h2 . Sold the other japanese superbikes as they where just inferior in every aspect to the euro bikes .
When you think value for money, you think Aprilia. It is an awesome bike and with the aftermarket cans, which are far cheaper than the Ducati Akros, you put a smile on your face. The Ducati looks nice but why would I want to part with 14k? It’s unfair to put this SP model as a comparison with the Aprilia.
I wish high-performance motorcycle comparisons (like this one, with actual conversation and track time, not just drag races on the highways) were with all engines tuned by the same tuner (like BrenTuning or Moore Mafia), removed catalytic converters, and the same slip-on exhaust (or leave the slip-on stock, that's probably fine too). Otherwise, I feel like the results of these comparisons are somewhat skewed just because of what emissions regulations force manufacturers to do to these bikes to make the street legal. These are all amazing bikes. I'd love to know how superbikes compare to each other, beyond just drag racing, once they're tuned to run as they were originally intended before emissions regulations choke up the engine. It's great that they all had the same tires on them in this comparison.
@@MrPimpmygun I hear you. These guys admittedly aren't driving the bikes at their limits. There's also always that chance the shiny new thing isn't the quickest around the track.
@23:43 you say that Ducati looks boss with the black paint job, and then two seconds later, the Aprilia looks dated with all black paint job… so is it just one is mat and the other gloss?
I just can't that much for a motorcycle (Ducati) even though its amazing from front to back. I'm in the market for a '20+ RSV4 so the info in this was nice to hear about the handling/braking/power of the big 3 brands. My friends all ride BMW so of coarse they expect me to buy one lol.
CF wheels can be a nightmare , some shop mechanics are very hesitant to change tyres on them due to the high cost of accidental damage , I would take the forged any day .Also the risk of catastrophic failure on road hitting a pot hole is real .
I own carbon fibre wheels and they are not a nightmare. I also question the skill of any Tyre fitting shop or mechanic who are ‘hesitant’ to change them.
I change tires all the time for customers with carbon wheels....those shops that have an issue are not being careful. Carbon wheels DO require a lower rim clamp pressure and the use of plastic rim protectors.
I love the SP2 but I have one very important question. Why would you buy one over the new V4r? The V4R has 20 more horsepower, it weighs less, revs higher, and looks better. It costs 4 grand more but if you have the cash to drop 40 grand on a bike you don’t care about that.
Exactly. In the real world, more riders will be able to stretch and buy the Aprilia than the Ducati. Plus, the same real-world riders will be using their bike on the street a lot more than on the track.
My only problem with bike shootouts like this is the stock state of the bikes when testing them. Granted it's not gonna work to do mods to them when testing but anyone that buys a neutered 20K+ superbike is gonna derestrict it and change the gearing to real world specs at the very least, unless it voids warranty(looking at you BMW). Then the outcome of the tests can be very different.
Aprillia X Trenta is a more equivalent trim to compare to SP2 and M1000RR, RSV4 factory thou the flagship production run is not showing the full potential of Aprilia. Im biased considering I ride Aprilia 😏
From a price perspective the X Trenta is a fair comparison, the RSV4 Factory is equivalent to a Ducati V4S not a SP2 or M1000RR. Also this entire video is track footage and review.
the aprilia does offer some of the most bang for your buck performance. yeah the styling is much to be desired. but changing settings relative to what track you're riding could make all the difference. Most people buying these bikes will never use all the tech. they typically are just street riders.(which I'm not arguing is a bad thing.)
Solid, interesting video review. As for the bikes, none of them are financially feasible for the average person, much less, who the heck needs this type of performance for the street?
It's nice to listen to you guys, but it seems like you were unfair to Aprilia. How right is it to compare Ducati and BMW's top package with the standard RSV? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a standard S1000RR and Panigale V4s or to modify Aprilia a little?
Help me put these Superbikes in perspective. What would these do as a lap time vs. say a Porsche GT3? I'm certain that the Superbikes would smoke the GT3 but by how much? Thanks
You're complaining about Aprilia suspension, yet you chose to not use the A1 Track suspension mode. Also, You are comparing the Aprilia Factory model with bikes that are way above its class. That isn't exactly fair. The SP2 and the M1000RR packages are way way above what the Factory claims to be. If you were to do a more appropriately matched comparison, with similar prices, you would find the Aprilia higher up on the list. I would say a more appropriate comparison would be the V4S and the S1000RR M-package, rather than SP2 and M1000RR.
Yup, not to mention, M1k is a homologation special and correct comparison to that bike is another homologation special that is Panigale V4R and not SP2, its a weird video honestly.
I'm just not sure if comparing 1100 to 1000cc's bikes is the same, it seems to me to be like comparing apples and oranges! But the BMW and the Ducati in this match up seems to be better matched. But, I enjoyed the discussion format, I think I would pick the Aprilia over the other two bikes.
@@mrsmagik1680 nope! Nit same classes if the engine size differs, that's why the Aprilia makes more power! And that's why Ducati have a 999cc bike that meets the homologation standards (the base model is an 1100 as well), and Aprilia isn't racing in World SBK!
@@charleswinter1335 no, wrong again. Dukes 995/999s v2s make HP equivalent to Supersports of 750 cc inline 4s. 1000 cc 4 = 1100 v4 = 12/1300 v2 or thereabouts. Ref. WSBK/BSB/US SBK
@@SchmozzleGTO lol...nope! Wrong, the rules give room for different cc's based on cylinder counts. That is different in this case because they are all 4 cylinder engines, there are no exceptions for cc's for the same cylinder counts, I believe in the World SBK category a twin cylinder can go up to 1299cc's (I also believe Ducati realized that they wouldn't be able to compete and win with that layout). But with the technology and advancements made, it showed in the late nineties that the scale wasn't balanced, that's why WSBK was considered the Duc Cup! Btw...in WSS there are also differences based on cylinder layout how long a motor must run. V4 = 1000cc's/ 4 inline = 1000cc's, no difference, V4/4-In = 1000cc's/ V2=1299. The Ducati Penegale V4=1100cc's/ V4R = 1000cc's so that they meet the WSBK homologations standards, which Aprilia currently doesn't meet and doesn't participate in WSBK.
@@charleswinter1335 You're wrong buddy... I dont know where your rehashed reply of most of my points comes from but I can assure you a 999 twin's raced GSXR 750s as equals back in WSBK etc. in 90s. WSBK, BSB, Real Road Racing, Irish/N.I./IoM etc. class/restrict SBK's to 4 stroke 750 cc to 1000cc maximum for 4 cylinders, only possibly differentiating inlines with v4s to place roughly in middle of larger capacity twins which are allowed max 1200cc if v-twin. I know this as fact... Im inferring an extra alowance for v4s as Aprilia have raced RSVs but perhaps they run 1000 or less in SBK- not clear how that would work with homologation, perhaps homologation is more about the 'shadow' the bike makes ie must look like showroom bikes. Bottom line- a Superbike is restricted to 750 - 1000 cc/V-Twin max 1200 cc. And the reason, those max limits help slower reving V2s with their larger pistons and often longer stroke to achieve broadly equivalent bhp and therefore closer racing in theory. Dukes v4 999 is crushing it so any concession for v4 may no longer exist, if ever did... 1000 4s vs 1200 twins is absolute fact
Feel like this would have been a much better comparison with Streetfighter V4S and S1000RR Msport. All.around the same price. This isn't even a fair comparison. I get that the factory is Aprilia top tier, but you can't compare bikes that are taken to another level to one that not. Add the carbin wheels and whatnot that comes with these 40k bikes, and the RSV4 would probably blow them out the water. The simple fact that it was even able to compete against these 2 says something about Aprilia
BMW! Is my bike out these three. Aprilia would be my second choice, also a aprilia reminds me a lot of a suzuki, they have so much incommon. Ducati not all that to me??? Now I'm just waiting for "BMW" too enter the motogp.
You guys should really do a head to head on flashed bikes, with tank grips, and adjustable rear sets, because lets be real here, OEM tanks never give you enough grip, OEM rear sets generally suck, and OEM tunes always suck.
why the hell do you need that much grip on the tank? you shouldnt be that hard up against it at all, ive never relied on tnak grip in years of racing on track, nor do motogp guys seeing as their bikes are smooth as baby legs and usually ceramic coated even.
Ask Jorge Lorenzo. He couldn’t ride the Ducati GP bike worth shit until they redesigned the tank giving him infinitely more grip. Suddenly he began winning races. It was the tank. Very important for rider stability
@@Shadow0fd3ath24 ask Jorge Lorenzo !!! See my comment below. The tank made all the difference between mid pack race finishes and podium & race wins !!!!
A tune, a race exhaust (without that low-end limiting valve) and some carbon fiber wheels and you are still cheaper but more nimble and really fast. Aprilia people know you spend 99% of the time commuting with those, not track day'ing. I prefer the colorful version of the RSV4. As for the sound, no contest, Aprilia!
Looked at a Ducati SF and a BMW S 1000 R a few days ago and while the SF looks great the rider triangle on the BMW was better and since it would be a lot cheaper M 1000 R vs SFV4S. I will say just the Panigale V2 in white looked amazing. Awesome pearl white paint on the Ducati's.
If anyone has the chance, Thunderhill Raceway Park is an amazing track and facility. Truly a diamond in the rough. It's my favorite track and I highly recommend a visit!
Thank goodness Wa-heed speeds it up a little for these group editorials. Jeez, how many Publications do you have to work for the scrape a living down there?
Love the format. Carbon fibre wheels crack much more easily that metal on the road with bumps, undulations and the like. On track......maybe that doesnt matter as much.
@@sp00ky1969 I'm not 100% sure. Just seen a lot of reports about cracked Carbon fibre wheels. Carbon Wheels don't bend as much as AL. So any sharp hits cause damage more easily.
@@ralphwarom2514 I think a lot of that was maybe from some time ago. Carbon can be constructed to have the desired properties and some flexibility can be built in and I believe this is done these days. They wouldn’t be certified for road use if they were dangerous to use. They make entire tubs out of the stuff for car tubs, wheels, etc. They make a huge difference to handling and performance and are probably one of the best upgrades you can do for a bike in my opinion. 🤷♂️ Try a bike with them if you get the chance and see what you think.
@@sp00ky1969 yes some carbon wheels are certified for road use or TUV europeans,in base of this are secure but no secures eternal guaranty , the key its the type of carbon construcción by layers, the tech is really very similar than 20 years ago, alloy,alu or magnesium is a estable metal ,forged or not , the carbon is very Hard and strongest but is 'like' cristal ...
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In my book just comparing a $26k bike to a $40k bike speaks volumes. Aprilia does an amazing job for the pricepoint. You could just take that extra cash and upgrade the bike and it would be way better than the other bikes.
A tune, a race exhaust (without that low-end limiting valve) and some carbon fiber wheels and you are still cheaper but more nimble and really fast. Aprilia people know you spend 99% of the time commuting with those, not track day'ing. I prefer the colorful version of the RSV4. As for the sound, no contest, Aprilia!
Aprilia AMX data logging is not cheap so needed to equal the Yamaha R1M package.
not like there's a law saying what you can and can't compare
I think the point is to compare their flagships against one another, otherwise it’d be the s1krr and v4s
@@estebanod ...did you say..."otherwise"?!?
if the point is to compare their flagships then you have to consider the fact that one is at least reasonably-current and the other is x years old
but then Aprilia will add some racing stripes and call it an upgrade
The Ducati wins but you could buy an RSV4 and a Tuono for the street for the SP2s price 🤔
You can also buy 40 000 bureka
but here the thing people who are interested in this types of bike are nnot as price sensitive coming from a person who owns a v4sp2 and a v4 speicale its all about the drama the fit and finish those are who value bang for buck alaways ride japanese there simply better in every regard when it comes to value cheaper more reliable part are more available and labour or diy work is far easier.
@@patthonsirilim5739 holy run-on sentence
@@kodyking3090 he lost me when he started the sentence with "but"...
@@patthonsirilim5739 agree, bang for buck Japanese are still kings.
The Aprilia is almost half the price lol. It should be compared to an S1000RR and a V4S lol. You can buy an RSV4 Factory + a Tuono 1100 for the price of the BMW or the Ducati lol. FYI, I bought the 2022 RSV4 Factory and it is the best bike I have ever owned!
But have you owned a v4r or m1k?
I'm just playing... They said the rsv4 is good... Just not AS good
did you say..."should"?
How is he in terms of handling?
Right off the bat can say, that I love this conversational format! More commute old-fashined videos in 2023 please!
Can get a lil. Boring, 25% subjective and 75% objective (lap times, acceleration etc) is my preference but we can’t get what we want all the time
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@@benchaggaresmusic indeed! TY
I watched this on the Xbox and then had to log in on my phone so I could comment on how great it is to see a comparison by guys who KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOING!! Not enough of this nowadays, and we really appreciate your work!
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@@SanjitNagi and MCN, specifically Neevesy
Have you guys ever considered that having the carbon wheels plays a role in the ability for the brakes to slow down the rotation of the wheels due to the extra Kg on the rear and extra 700grams on the front wheel. The rotational inertia difference is massive at high speeds. I bet If you put carbon wheels on the Aprilia there will be 4 distinct differences you'll feel.
1. It will accelerate faster
2. It will stop faster
3. It will feel way easier to lean over side to side.
4. It will feel sharper (more accurate)
Something to keep in mind the differences mentioned : stopping, leaning over and power delivery at that HP and Torque numbers
the wheels definitely played a role between those 3 bikes.
Would 100% agree....rotating mass is huge in every aspect......you would have to put those on the Aprilia to give it a fair shake.....Braking, suspension, turning, handling are all affected...
Just having your suspension tuned specific is huge deal.....
Would think you want manual adjustments for track and semi active for streets
Man, you act like forged aluminum wheels are made out of lead! Sure carbon is better but it’s not as if the Aprilias wheels are ungodly heavy!
I would even go so far as to saying the fact that it is 7-10k cheaper you can use that to do upgrades as follows.
Full titanium sc project pipe (even the euro 5 one for comparison sake)
Carbon wheels
Race ECU flash
Vortex stacks (this will solve the sluggish feel)
And if still in budget brake/master cylinder upgrade.
1 tooth smaller sprocket in front.
That would put the bike in the same price range. Or cheaper still and then do a comparison. With the 3 bikes. Yes its not stock but with an apples to apples comparison is in order to level the playing field.
@@MegaTechpc you do realise that every gram counts when it comes to rotational mass. As a matter of fact when wheel alignment is done the rotational mass is adjusted per gram of weight at a time. That is how big a difference is for every gram.
@@igitsolutions yeah I realize that, my point is that for average riders like me the stock bike is way more than fast enough as is. Carbon wheels and a full exhaust would just be a waste of money for me. I don’t go to the track and the stock exhaust already sounds amazing on my RSV4
Never expected to say this but that rsv4 is actually priced really well
Adam doesn't sound stoned for the first time ever.
Dude seriously, this is the fastest I've ever heard him speak lol
Yeah he smoking less of that good stuff
@@schwazeneggro4274 the devil's lettuce
I know, and I don’t like it!
I wonder if he does that by choice during his individual reviews exclusively, was curious if anyone else noticed that.
Fit and finish on the Aprilia is as good as the Ducati and BMW and a lot cheaper to boot.
No brainer - Aprilia is the clear winner for me
They literally showed the difference
I don’t know why this video brought out hordes of Aprilia stans, but they’re all over. Maybe because 99% of the ‘superbike’ videos that I’ve seen are just comparing the Ducati and BMW, so they’re just happy to be mentioned for once?
Nice test! Thanks.
Got my RSV 4 last year. No joke, for me it is the easiest bike to ride. And I had many. No need to adjust anything even on the track. Maybe I am not fast enough but anyway I do have my share of fun! Out of my 13 bikes I had (59 years old) it is the best one ever.
I'm on my 2nd RSV4 (2020 RR). Just an amazing bike. The engine and handling are so good. Every time I try to ride something else I just want to be back on my RSV4.
Agreed. My RSV4 is far and away the most capable bike I’ve ever owned, and mine is a last-gen 2018 RR that I got brand new for $15k out the door!
My Aprilia was better engineered than the CBR I had previously. It was a joy to work on. They just make sense.
Ive owned an Aprilia RSV4 and absolutely loved it. Pure nirvana. Id like a Ducati Panigale now not because its better but because Im so blessed to live in a time with such incredible machines that inspire the soul.
Shame the bikes for the USA market are de-tuned so much ! Here in the UK they all make over 200hp at the wheel! Worth pointing out the Ducati and BMW are £35k here but you can get an Aprilia RSV4 discounted for less than £20k - all these bikes are special - just out of this world performance now and the electronics are on another level !
@MajinBroly That's good you can unlock the potential - we can tune over here too without restriction - everything from Turbo's to NOS is available, but most of us juts get a race exhaust and map ... with the Aprila you can buy the exhaust and get the up-map free, I think Ducati do their own map too. It makes a big difference having the bike full power !
@MajinBroly Technically, it is illegal in the US to tamper with any emissions controls, but it is rarely enforced. It is currently a $5,000 fine per vehicle. In 2018, Harley Davidson was fined $12 million for selling aftermarket parts that increased emissions on its motorcycles. That's why most of those parts have "Offroad Use Only" either stamped on them or in their paperwork.
What’s funny is my rr is detuned from the factory BECAUSE of European emissions laws. It’s ok; just need a BrenTune and all is good 👍
@@GoVols2015 they make all models suitable for Euro and US markets but I think for some states in the US the emissions are tighter ?? over here it seems we have a lean spot at 5000RPM then it's WHAM. !!
@@sk2283 I know this comment is 4 months old but just wanted to answer. Only California has tighter emissions. Then, by state it is different on enforcing. In Michigan we do not have any emissions or safety testing so after you register your vehicle it's a free game to modify however you want. In states like New York it is required every year to safety and emissions test. Some states only have safety and others only have emissions. Most of the time you can just pay off the guy doing your inspection though and all is well.
Nice comparison.
I drove many bikes, the S1000RR is such a beast and reliable. My goodness from zero to 240 in fourth gear and figting to stay on the bike... Incredible power.
Ducati is it's own league of itself, the sensation on any model is special... Also special is all the troubles and high maintenance.
I owned an Aprilia RSV Factory R, the emotion, the reliability and funfactor is amazing.
It's like the BMW but with a rough edge and an unbelievable sound.
Aprilia is the one to buy, it will always give you the smile you want and doesnt destroy your wallet every single time you go out 🤣
Grande comentário... tudo verdade...👍
The Aprilia wins in the sound and looks department no doubt 🙌
Idk bout looks it looks rlly basic
Worst front on any bike could ever happen
Aprilia is a beautiful machine. The RS660 is gorgeous in acid gold.
@@2pist I love the gold , just not the gold in combination with the red wheels
One of the worst looking bike. That overly protruding winglets look like a fast food tray stuck under the headlights. 2020 was the last good looking RSV4
I don’t know what these guys are talking about regarding the “softness or lack of bite on the Aprilia’s brakes? Granted, I’m not riding at track speeds but whenever I squeeze my brakes my face feels like it’s about to rip off, and I only have the RR with its last-generation Brembo M50’s! Braking power has never once been something I’d consider a weakness of the RSV4, in fact I consider it to be one of the bike’s strengths.
We're living in the golden age for superbikes rn
Aprillia should introduce an SP above the Factory and put all the goodies on it… I’m sure there’s a market for it… both RSV4 and Tuono
They did, it’s called an RSV-4 Xtrenta- $65,000 has every trick part imaginable!!!
@@michaeljkasnter yeah, but it’s not road legal…
Thank god we in Australia don’t have those restrictions like flat spots and less power
The ECU is still limiting the power through the rev range.
Pretty disappointed that the Honda Gold wing isn't on the list of contenders.
I was hoping to see a Tour Glide in the mix..
Agreed - but not as disappointing as omitting my 1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250. That bike would absolutely destroy these new litre bikes - especially with the throttle wide open....
V4 first model started 2018 and now we reached 2023 and still selling not stop, that is the answer why it is the best bike all over, 5 years with the same model is huge success , one of the greatest super bike ever built
The Aprilia RSV4 factory has been selling for 13 years now with no decrease in sales. Safe to say it is the better "budget bike" like it was said in the video
@@kevinbacker7477 i totally agree bro and i tried my self one , the main thing to know that its not comfortable for a 6ft biker , here is where Ducati win i own v4 and im 6.1 riding it very comfortably i can't ride the rsv4 for 30 minutes 👍
I know you're not supposed to choose a bike judged on looks, but that's exactly what I did. Ducati is the best-looking bike hands down! Not to mention it's a bullet on rails.
Wait, did you get a Ducati?
If so, which one because I've always said that looks wise, a Ducati is as exotic as it can get
Looks is where it's at. If it doesn't pass the eyes, it won't pass anything else
Yeah, I bought the Panigale 1199R.
@@jimmyswollnuts7662 that's a good point honestly
@@thedragonofechigo7878 definitely not as exotic as it gets looks wise. MV agusta still tops that category, and if you really want exotic, try hub steering bimota's.
Finally a comparison!!!! I told Adam this is what is needed a few years back! Great job guys
I appreciate these guys doing the work, their knowledge, and dedication. That said, it is all but impossible to test modern superbikes whose ECU’ s are stock and haven’t been derestricted. The manufacturers are forced by govt agencies to severely restrict them mostly due to emissions and top speed limitations. Every single modern literbike will make 190+ bhp after being derestricted. The Ducati actually makes around 220 bhp and the Ape around 211. I’ve seen a 2022 ZX10R make 202 at the wheel and an M1000RR that made 201 at the wheel, a Fireblade that made 216 bhp and so on.
Lol that Aprilia “sticker” on the triple tree is a clear protective sticker you’re supposed to remove
man i love these three crunching down on them european giant manufacturers, i normally skips videos but this one hits different
Damn, bikes went from $20k to $40k fast and in a hurry.
You might want to watch "The Most Expensive Motorcycle from every Manufacturer" video on the "bart" channel. There have been a lot of motorcycles with ridiculous prices. I guess that rich people need to spend their money on something. My favorite story is about the Ducati Desmosedici RR in 2007. It was initially assumed that only 500 would be made and many collectors bought them at around $72,500. Ducati then decided to produce another 1000, making it much less rare.
Cool to hear your opinions about what looks better and how they felt. Would also like to hear what lap timed quicker? What was the weight differences? Were you all quicker on the Ducati?
The Aprilia was the fastest on track. He says it so quickly it can easily be missed. Got to 4:05
Lol, missed it too.
Half the price, most powerful and it got so much "shit talk" for the weight, yet it was the fastest xD
Also another comment pointer out you could still get carbon wheels, Ecu map, exhaust and all that jazz and still be below the price range of the other two. Aprilia seems like the honest winner
What were the laptimes?
Did you guys turn off the abs? And run default modes excluding dynamic suspension?
Another awesome vid guys, you can’t go wrong with either one of those bikes!
1st time watching you guys from here in the UK. Very enjoyable format of discussion. The Ape is at least £15k (around $18k US) cheaper. It would be interesting to see someone spend that difference on changes to the Ape and then compare them
Actually you can, dry clutch 7-8k, carbon rims 6-7K.
Carbon wheels make a stunning difference to handling and a tiny difference to acceleration.
I went from a base 03 aprilia RSV Mille with cast brembo wheels to an 03 RSV-R with forged OZ, and Ohlins suspension aside, there really wasn't much of a difference.
But finding a set of Dymag CA5 for a very reasonable price on eBay UK for my RC8R, I can honestly say the difference is immediate and impressive - it really is like losing 20+Kg off the bikes weight.
Nothing like that RSV4. I would go for it. In all honesty? The V4 SP2 is supreme. Time for the folks at Aprilia to finally modify the RSV4. Carbon wheels, an ECU change and a new exhaust system would make it the champion again. ⭐ 189 on the dyno. Let's go RSV4.
One thing I've found fascinating ever since I got into motorcycles around 2008 is that when I would look at older comparisons of liter bikes from the early to mid 2000's and maybe the late 2000's, they had faster 1/4 times than the newer bikes. Granted the reported trap speeds are now higher, but it's rare to find a reported time of under 10s now while 10 s flat was mediocre in 2004 per the reports I read 10-15 years ago. Same thing with 0-60 and 0-100 times. They used to report mid 2's to 60 mph and high 4's to low 5's to 100 mph. But in this comparison, they are reporting mid 3's to 60 mph and mid 5's to 100 mph. I specifically remember a Sport Rider article from 10+ years ago showing several bikes', mostly 1000's but also a 600 or two, acceleration data in a speed vs time graph that showed 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 times significantly faster than these bikes despite being 50+ hp down on power compared to these. Of course, for high power motorcycles, particularly at low speed, wheelies are the first limit on acceleration, not power, but this is odd. Is it based on the measurement methodology, or maybe it's about the launch electronics on the new bikes? One thought is the 1 foot rollout that car magazines tend to use which significantly reduces reported acceleration times. However, my understanding is that motorcycle publications have never really used that methodology, even in the early 2000's. Another odd thing is that I often see faster reported times from non-motorcycle specific publications. One good recent example is the Hagerty videos featuring a Ducati V4 SP2 drag racing a Corvette and a Lucid. They recorded a 1/4 result that was 1 second quicker AND 7-8 mph faster. That cannot be explained by the 1 foot rollout effect. Maybe it is related to the surfaces that the motorcycle publications are using now? Can anyone shed light on this?
edit: forgot a word.
I think the main cause of the slower drag times is the taller final gearing on most bikes to comply with emissions. The gearing just keeps getting taller(longer). Like 100mph at redline in first. Everyone goes down on gearing to put them back in the ballpark.
@@josephferazza7686 That is a good consideration. However, weren't liter bikes 20 years ago also pushing 100 mph in 1st gear? Also, the modern bikes are able to wheelie off the line with some clutch slip, so lowering gearing shouldn't improve acceleration, only reduce clutch abuse. This idea also doesn't account for the Hagerty result. But gearing maybe be a factor. I remember being disappointed by the significantly higher 1st gear in my 2013 Triumph Street Triple (maxes out at ~77 mph compared to ~65-ish?? in previous model years) for emissions reduction.
Gearing, plus modern ECU controlled bikes are limited to 60% - 80% of their available power, until the high gears.
@@tezzrterry7485 The bikes are still capable of wheelies off the line with their current gearing and ecu power allowance. That means power and gearing are not the limiting factors on acceleration, now or then. Maybe centers of mass were lower or farther forward from the rear axle allowing greater acceleration without wheelieing. All of this assumes the bikes actually are slower in low speed acceleration now rather than a change in measurement methodology. Perhaps there has been an industry-wide change in methodology? It would have to be a big change to account for a nearly 30% increase in 0-60 acceleration times.
Did u guys have the BMW in rain mode? I have never seen so low power. It's usually well over 190hp at the wheel.
You should call this European super bike comparison.
Exactly. No R1, No CBR, No ZX-10? Give me a break.
@@KneeDownRider the Kawasaki is far behind all competitors in Stock form,only if you rady spend 10 to 15 K more maybe the Kawasaki can compare.But who wonts spend that much money on a Kawasaki and after that is not eaven street legal💁🏻
@@zero_stars like i say yes if you build the ZX 10 RR for the Track yes but in Stockform the ZX10 RR is far behind the Competitors.Many Tests shows that the Kawasaki was a couple of Sek behind the SP2 in Stockform to compare 4 sek on a Track you probablly have to spend 15 K on the Kawasaki wich cost as Basic Model 28 K that means the Kawasaki will be cost more than a Ducati SP2 after this treatment and the Bike will be only allowed on Track and not Street legal.Belive me i am on the Track for Years and i have eaven Japan Bikes in my Garage and many many Trackdays and Amature Race allrady.The Kawasaki is an Old Bike Kawasaki has to make a Evolution to catch up.
The Japanese bikes have fallen behind
@@justinhoffman5726 not all The CBR RRR or the R1 M are good Bikes out of Box .Honda is on Track eaven as Stock Bike very competitive but struggle a lot if you ride the Bike on the Street because of the long Gearing and the Power wich is only in higher rpm.Under 8000 rpm feels like 600ccm abut when the Power kicks in is brutal.On the Track dosent matters because you are allways in higher rpm on the Street is disapointed
Very sharp machines ! Great reviews gents !
My three fav bikes! Currently have the rsv4. One down two more to go!
Which one is better?? Bump that.. all three are must haves….❤
Rob have all 3 a Worked MV F4 RC and a 2016 Kawasaki h2 . Sold the other japanese superbikes as they where just inferior in every aspect to the euro bikes .
When you think value for money, you think Aprilia. It is an awesome bike and with the aftermarket cans, which are far cheaper than the Ducati Akros, you put a smile on your face. The Ducati looks nice but why would I want to part with 14k? It’s unfair to put this SP model as a comparison with the Aprilia.
I love turn #5 at Thunderhill, good shooting location.
4:05 ... I think you all missed it. "Even though it's the fastest, it didn't feel the fastest." APRILIA!
A track only test without times is a bit irrelevant how much quicker is a 40 grand bike compared to a 20 grand bike ?
One year later and again Aprila has the most power 250+ 2023
70390 $ ducati v4 sp2
63141 $ bmw m1000 RR
29337 $ Rsv4 factory
These are the prices in Türkiye, Aprilia is the winner in terms of price performance.
Ton europ is 19000€ rsv4
The video was amazing, please do an ultimate Japanese superbike comparison. We would love that.
Maybe put the rsv4 X Trenta up against the m1000rr and panigale v4sp2?
That's closer to fair...
I wish high-performance motorcycle comparisons (like this one, with actual conversation and track time, not just drag races on the highways) were with all engines tuned by the same tuner (like BrenTuning or Moore Mafia), removed catalytic converters, and the same slip-on exhaust (or leave the slip-on stock, that's probably fine too). Otherwise, I feel like the results of these comparisons are somewhat skewed just because of what emissions regulations force manufacturers to do to these bikes to make the street legal. These are all amazing bikes. I'd love to know how superbikes compare to each other, beyond just drag racing, once they're tuned to run as they were originally intended before emissions regulations choke up the engine. It's great that they all had the same tires on them in this comparison.
The alternate universe where people don't second guess spending all this money. Can you run it back with a K5 gsxr1000? lol.
And the Yamaha R1 - the most winning of them all.
The point of this test was the ultimate superbike,not the best budget liter bike
@@MrPimpmygun I hear you. These guys admittedly aren't driving the bikes at their limits. There's also always that chance the shiny new thing isn't the quickest around the track.
@@GIZZMOTORSPORTSif you think a R1 can compete with a SP2 I have a bridge to sell you
When you own a gsxr you lose your self respect
@23:43 you say that Ducati looks boss with the black paint job, and then two seconds later, the Aprilia looks dated with all black paint job… so is it just one is mat and the other gloss?
Id like to see the same video with the base /lower trim models of each brand
I just can't that much for a motorcycle (Ducati) even though its amazing from front to back. I'm in the market for a '20+ RSV4 so the info in this was nice to hear about the handling/braking/power of the big 3 brands. My friends all ride BMW so of coarse they expect me to buy one lol.
CF wheels can be a nightmare , some shop mechanics are very hesitant to change tyres on them due to the high cost of accidental damage , I would take the forged any day .Also the risk of catastrophic failure on road hitting a pot hole is real .
I own carbon fibre wheels and they are not a nightmare. I also question the skill of any Tyre fitting shop or mechanic who are ‘hesitant’ to change them.
As long as you’re careful it’s like changing a tire on any other wheel. We do them at our shop frequently with no issue
I change tires all the time for customers with carbon wheels....those shops that have an issue are not being careful. Carbon wheels DO require a lower rim clamp pressure and the use of plastic rim protectors.
Dezi B…you sound like a guy who has never owned and used a set of carbon wheels!
He's not wrong, carbon fibre wheels do explode. There is a reason they dont have them in wsbk or MotoGP. @@1956colinb
Kinda late to this party (been workin non stop !) but great video guys ! Happy new year to all of you .
GREAT comparison and knowledge as usual guys!!
Some hotlap videos from Micheal will be nice!
I love the SP2 but I have one very important question. Why would you buy one over the new V4r? The V4R has 20 more horsepower, it weighs less, revs higher, and looks better. It costs 4 grand more but if you have the cash to drop 40 grand on a bike you don’t care about that.
Different displacement and power band. The V4 SP2 produces peak torque earlier. It's easier to street and track than the higher revving V4R.
I want to see how the videographer manages to capture such smooth motion and keep the bike tracked and focused through a turn.
In all fairness the Aprilia could very well be the best street bike of the 3.
Exactly. In the real world, more riders will be able to stretch and buy the Aprilia than the Ducati. Plus, the same real-world riders will be using their bike on the street a lot more than on the track.
Ive owned about 30 sportsbikes over the years, fantastic machines. Then I got a RSV4 and had to recalibrate.
Great video guys!
Great as always Adam!
My only problem with bike shootouts like this is the stock state of the bikes when testing them. Granted it's not gonna work to do mods to them when testing but anyone that buys a neutered 20K+ superbike is gonna derestrict it and change the gearing to real world specs at the very least, unless it voids warranty(looking at you BMW). Then the outcome of the tests can be very different.
Aprillia X Trenta is a more equivalent trim to compare to SP2 and M1000RR, RSV4 factory thou the flagship production run is not showing the full potential of Aprilia. Im biased considering I ride Aprilia 😏
No its not xtrenta is not road legal, sp2 and m1000rr are both street legal
@@allnighterist you are right, how I missed that, my bad 😅
From a price perspective the X Trenta is a fair comparison, the RSV4 Factory is equivalent to a Ducati V4S not a SP2 or M1000RR.
Also this entire video is track footage and review.
DUCATI V4R ???
I believe Aprillia should introduce an ‘SP’- version of the RSV4 with the carbon goodies and full Akra on it… pretty sure there’s a market for it…
Adam gets it, green means go!😎👍👍
Is Adam on adderral..?
The Aprilia is a steal at $24k. No brainer.
the aprilia does offer some of the most bang for your buck performance. yeah the styling is much to be desired. but changing settings relative to what track you're riding could make all the difference. Most people buying these bikes will never use all the tech. they typically are just street riders.(which I'm not arguing is a bad thing.)
The guy with vans is killing the show everytime he points stuff out.
Solid, interesting video review. As for the bikes, none of them are financially feasible for the average person, much less, who the heck needs this type of performance for the street?
For the streets a 1/8 L bike and/or a 500cc Yugo is good enough.
What are you driving, though?
omg "you werent" @2:00 burnnnnn
Aprilia RSV4 is likea black Lamborghini Countach.... at night sky.
It's nice to listen to you guys, but it seems like you were unfair to Aprilia. How right is it to compare Ducati and BMW's top package with the standard RSV? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a standard S1000RR and Panigale V4s or to modify Aprilia a little?
Adam, good to see you brushed your hair, and cleaned up a bit...Bravo Bro !!
Where is the K5 gixxer?
In our hearts 🥲, still would buy one over all these bikes 🤮 I don’t want rider aids and electronics, I wanna make myself a better rider
@@NudaMan I agree, it’s a different feeling when you ride a motorcycle with no rider aids…
@@HudsonMoto especially the 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille I had and the 2003 Yamaha R1 I have now 👌
Which if all driven at the same speed road speed limits l; which would top out last. Who fuel lights first?
Help me put these Superbikes in perspective. What would these do as a lap time vs. say a Porsche GT3? I'm certain that the Superbikes would smoke the GT3 but by how much? Thanks
I like your analysis. Greetings from Europe
You're complaining about Aprilia suspension, yet you chose to not use the A1 Track suspension mode.
Also, You are comparing the Aprilia Factory model with bikes that are way above its class. That isn't exactly fair. The SP2 and the M1000RR packages are way way above what the Factory claims to be. If you were to do a more appropriately matched comparison, with similar prices, you would find the Aprilia higher up on the list. I would say a more appropriate comparison would be the V4S and the S1000RR M-package, rather than SP2 and M1000RR.
Yup, not to mention, M1k is a homologation special and correct comparison to that bike is another homologation special that is Panigale V4R and not SP2, its a weird video honestly.
I'm just not sure if comparing 1100 to 1000cc's bikes is the same, it seems to me to be like comparing apples and oranges! But the BMW and the Ducati in this match up seems to be better matched. But, I enjoyed the discussion format, I think I would pick the Aprilia over the other two bikes.
They are in the same class of bikes regardless of cc
@@mrsmagik1680 nope! Nit same classes if the engine size differs, that's why the Aprilia makes more power! And that's why Ducati have a 999cc bike that meets the homologation standards (the base model is an 1100 as well), and Aprilia isn't racing in World SBK!
@@charleswinter1335 no, wrong again. Dukes 995/999s v2s make HP equivalent to Supersports of 750 cc inline 4s.
1000 cc 4 = 1100 v4 = 12/1300 v2 or thereabouts.
Ref. WSBK/BSB/US SBK
@@SchmozzleGTO lol...nope! Wrong, the rules give room for different cc's based on cylinder counts. That is different in this case because they are all 4 cylinder engines, there are no exceptions for cc's for the same cylinder counts, I believe in the World SBK category a twin cylinder can go up to 1299cc's (I also believe Ducati realized that they wouldn't be able to compete and win with that layout). But with the technology and advancements made, it showed in the late nineties that the scale wasn't balanced, that's why WSBK was considered the Duc Cup! Btw...in WSS there are also differences based on cylinder layout how long a motor must run.
V4 = 1000cc's/ 4 inline = 1000cc's, no difference, V4/4-In = 1000cc's/ V2=1299.
The Ducati Penegale V4=1100cc's/ V4R = 1000cc's so that they meet the WSBK homologations standards, which Aprilia currently doesn't meet and doesn't participate in WSBK.
@@charleswinter1335 You're wrong buddy... I dont know where your rehashed reply of most of my points comes from but I can assure you a 999 twin's raced GSXR 750s as equals back in WSBK etc. in 90s. WSBK, BSB, Real Road Racing, Irish/N.I./IoM etc. class/restrict SBK's to 4 stroke 750 cc to 1000cc maximum for 4 cylinders, only possibly differentiating inlines with v4s to place roughly in middle of larger capacity twins which are allowed max 1200cc if v-twin. I know this as fact... Im inferring an extra alowance for v4s as Aprilia have raced RSVs but perhaps they run 1000 or less in SBK- not clear how that would work with homologation, perhaps homologation is more about the 'shadow' the bike makes ie must look like showroom bikes.
Bottom line- a Superbike is restricted to 750 - 1000 cc/V-Twin max 1200 cc.
And the reason, those max limits help slower reving V2s with their larger pistons and often longer stroke to achieve broadly equivalent bhp and therefore closer racing in theory.
Dukes v4 999 is crushing it so any concession for v4 may no longer exist, if ever did... 1000 4s vs 1200 twins is absolute fact
Feel like this would have been a much better comparison with Streetfighter V4S and S1000RR Msport. All.around the same price. This isn't even a fair comparison. I get that the factory is Aprilia top tier, but you can't compare bikes that are taken to another level to one that not. Add the carbin wheels and whatnot that comes with these 40k bikes, and the RSV4 would probably blow them out the water. The simple fact that it was even able to compete against these 2 says something about Aprilia
What lap time did they do?
Is the BMW still factory limited?
That’s because of the beer that is standing on floor behind one of the table legs 😀🍺
BMW! Is my bike out these three. Aprilia would be my second choice, also a aprilia reminds me a lot of a suzuki, they have so much incommon. Ducati not all that to me??? Now I'm just waiting for "BMW" too enter the motogp.
These are reviews that really matter! Super and hypersport bikes!
You guys should really do a head to head on flashed bikes, with tank grips, and adjustable rear sets, because lets be real here, OEM tanks never give you enough grip, OEM rear sets generally suck, and OEM tunes always suck.
why the hell do you need that much grip on the tank? you shouldnt be that hard up against it at all, ive never relied on tnak grip in years of racing on track, nor do motogp guys seeing as their bikes are smooth as baby legs and usually ceramic coated even.
Ask Jorge Lorenzo. He couldn’t ride the Ducati GP bike worth shit until they redesigned the tank giving him infinitely more grip. Suddenly he began winning races. It was the tank. Very important for rider stability
@@Shadow0fd3ath24 ask Jorge Lorenzo !!! See my comment below. The tank made all the difference between mid pack race finishes and podium & race wins !!!!
A tune, a race exhaust (without that low-end limiting valve) and some carbon fiber wheels and you are still cheaper but more nimble and really fast. Aprilia people know you spend 99% of the time commuting with those, not track day'ing. I prefer the colorful version of the RSV4. As for the sound, no contest, Aprilia!
Looked at a Ducati SF and a BMW S 1000 R a few days ago and while the SF looks great the rider triangle on the BMW was better and since it would be a lot cheaper M 1000 R vs SFV4S.
I will say just the Panigale V2 in white looked amazing. Awesome pearl white paint on the Ducati's.
Golden rule: The last gen’s SP is always slower than the next gen’s standard model. Save your money.
If anyone has the chance, Thunderhill Raceway Park is an amazing track and facility. Truly a diamond in the rough. It's my favorite track and I highly recommend a visit!
Thank goodness Wa-heed speeds it up a little for these group editorials. Jeez, how many Publications do you have to work for the scrape a living down there?
"You go crazy with hair, I'll go crazy with a stache and we'll see who blinks"
All three are so good that it'd be a shame to buy any of them just to putt around on the street.
Would like to some lap times
Great video. all 3 bikes are awesome!!
Love the format. Carbon fibre wheels crack much more easily that metal on the road with bumps, undulations and the like. On track......maybe that doesnt matter as much.
Are you sure about that? You might find that your opinion’s a bit outdated with current technology in these wheels.
@@sp00ky1969 I'm not 100% sure. Just seen a lot of reports about cracked Carbon fibre wheels.
Carbon Wheels don't bend as much as AL. So any sharp hits cause damage more easily.
@@ralphwarom2514 I think a lot of that was maybe from some time ago. Carbon can be constructed to have the desired properties and some flexibility can be built in and I believe this is done these days. They wouldn’t be certified for road use if they were dangerous to use. They make entire tubs out of the stuff for car tubs, wheels, etc. They make a huge difference to handling and performance and are probably one of the best upgrades you can do for a bike in my opinion. 🤷♂️ Try a bike with them if you get the chance and see what you think.
Will be a while before I upgrade from my R1. But I will keep my eye out for how the tech has improved.
I'd pike the bmw out of those 3. XD
@@sp00ky1969 yes some carbon wheels are certified for road use or TUV europeans,in base of this are secure but no secures eternal guaranty , the key its the type of carbon construcción by layers, the tech is really very similar than 20 years ago, alloy,alu or magnesium is a estable metal ,forged or not , the carbon is very Hard and strongest but is 'like' cristal ...
Great review guys ktg loved it 👍
aprilia für 24000 euro gegen 46000 euro Ducati... genau mein Humor
Great review on those amazing bikes
Aprilia is fantastic ❤ 🇵🇹
Where is the Honda CBR1000R-RR-RR-RR-RR-RR-RR-RR-RR ?
Boring ugly junk