List price the Kawasaki but in terms of real world prices on the shop floor, no one discounts like Suzuki so the GSXR is the best value bike in real terms for me.
@@philbarrett3739 Some countries still have them for sale but they never sold that well in the UK so they discontinued it here. Also if you can only get the Phantom now, that 100% says a new GSXR1000 will surface in the not too distant future.
I know.. I sometimes wonder if I’m just “getting old” but the I think of what bikes cost relative to cars (always way less), and the modern ones are now on par with a lot of decent cars.
BMW during warranty, Suzuki for an eternity. And the soundtrack of the Yamaha is something you can really enjoy on a trackday. Couldn't agree more on your conclusions.
I kinda miss the 00's when sportbikes were simpler. Been out of the loop for the last decade or so and it's pretty confusing with all the variants of the same model and the ridicilous pricing. Also the 600's seems to be gone, supply and demand I guess?
750's pretty much gone too. I don't think it'll be long before the so called 'litre bike' disappears too and we're all riding naked and adventure bikes.
@@elonmusk9697 As the manufacturers chased race wins these 600s became more and more expensive, plus insurance for the (mostly) younger buyers became more expensive as well.
This is a comparison of superbikes, not 600's. Middleweights are doing fine, 600 class is the most popular, although I believe nakeds are more popular than sport bikes
Fantastic quick summaries. Professional racers can tell the difference as they are able to use 100% of the bikes capabilities. 99% of the rest of us would be happy on any of these bikes at any price point. It what pulls on your heart strings. Exclusive, exotics pull on my strings more than a generic Honda or Yamaha. European bikes have that extra moving art with stretching the tech.
Nice video, but ownership costs were not covered. In my country BMW is crazy expensive to maintain. Japanese still have the reliability factor and are affordable for the working man. Services, parts and repairs. ☘️
Great summary of a bunch of bikes that are bordering on being irrelevant for road use. I do love sports bikes. Had several including zx7r, '04 Fireblade and a '15 S1000RR. Whilst the 7R wasn't setting the world alight with power, it was a great road bike. Satisfying to ride on road and track. The Fireblade felt on the limit of what power was remotely possible to use on the road. The RR tipped the balance and got rid within 6 months. Ironically, superb electronics and insane power, combine to make a bike that is video-game easy to just pin the throttle. Whilst this does allow the rider to focus on everything else, it doesn't stop the fact that you find yourself in two polar opposite ends of road riding: left feeling that you're pootling about using half revs and quarter throttle, or, you begin to feel that you're stretching it's legs, arriving home thinking - how am I (or others) still in one piece and will I be getting a brown envelope in the post in next two weeks ...worse, a knock on the door. let's have some great handling, usable sports bikes for the road that we can use and can afford.
I've been saying this for years. I'd take 130-150hp and a nice, usable torque curve over a 200hp revbox any time I'm not at a track. The Triumph looks about as close as you can get at the moment but I haven't tried one so can't say for sure. All this £25k for something that can't pull your gran under 10,000rpm is just daft.
Actually nicely said. I used to race (so I think I’m a reasonably decent rider) and I wouldn’t buy a 1000 for the road. Exactly what you said - just never feel like you’ve “ridden” the bike without getting into ultra-dangerous arrest-me-or-die speeds.
Yeah when he said it was near the bottom kind of made me laugh. It’s literally right at the top with couple others , although it is an overall value video I guess? So price would be high compared to some competitors anyways. But H2’s and RSV4 factory isn’t gonna a whole lot of difference lol. As a non fireblade for 20k think the value is actually not bad at all
Very informative. I also had a difficult time to choose in between BMW S1000RR Sport and Suzuki GSX-R1000R but ended up with S1000RR for having little more tech eg semi active suspension, TFT dash and active breaks etc. But no doubt that Suzuki is an excellent all rounder as well. And in Korea, GSX R1000R is 10-15% cheaper than BMW. So great value for money too. Cheers
as someone that owned a few bikes a gsxr 600 and a yamaha r1 and rode heaps more the gsxr 600 just worked, was solid. No thrills or creature comforts but did the job as well as you would want it to. The yamaha's were a bit iffy sometimes and i had problems with my clutch on my r1
I agree, I had a Normal Gsxr 2017 model. Absolutely stunning road bike, utterly fantastic. Fueling, comfort and looks. Loved it so much. Brakes were a bit soft though
I have owned most of these bikes. Only one I still have is my heavily modified h2. It’s just such a work of art and you never see one on the streets so most blokes are always interested to have a chat about it. Great video Michael. 👍🏻
I miss when bikes were simpler in the 2000-2010 era where it almost felt like it was literally just an engine, two wheels and yourself. Now with all the electronics it feels like a computer. I think the last of that golden era is the current gixxer. Just put gas and ride it. Not a fan of Suzuki but their bike is the only that feels like those golden days
Well, some allow you to zero out almost all the electronics - not TC, WC, Acrive/semi active shocks, etc. etc... At 158-168 hp, you can still get sideways, but at 200 hp, it just happens that much quicker...
I miss the days of late 90's Japanese 600s... :D An awesome bikes to ride around with your friends after watching Akira. Infinitely easy to ride, mod, and own, and have fun with.
absolutely man, had a 91 honda f2 and a 99 yammy r6 and a 2002 cbr 600rr coulda got a 1000 but the sixes are where its at, i miss the shootouts just the Japanese 4 and triumph came along there at the end. Got a 2018 zx6r kawi now but all are excellent rides. Stay safe.
I’ve been riding a GSXR 600 for the past 5 years since I got my license. I feel like I need to own a litre bike before they are killed off forever. I want that experience. My money would be on an S1000RR or R1. But I’m short so probably the S1000RR
I second this. If you even want a slight taste of that 200hp, you'll be higher in the rev range going absolutely stupid speeds on the road. You could argue a supernaked would be more practical on the road, but I tried a Superduke and the torque on that thing was also far too much for the road in my opinion. I currently own a Duke 890 R, which is considered to be the goldilocks street bike, but I even think that bike is too fast for the street. As soon as you start having some fun, you're going over twice the speed limit already. Bonkers.
I would try and borrow or hire a 1000 for a week or just a weekend. The constant fueling and the prices ('bigger tanks') will disappoint you very quickly. The bloody thing was constantly pawing the sky and didn't really need 6 gears.. 3 gears was enough. Don't get me wrong it was laugh inducing but.. The running costs and higher insurance broke the deal for me. If budget is not an issue for you then buy one but i, myself can live without one happily. And besides wheres the challenge in just pulling away from everyone on the straight bits if you can't go round corners faster too. Nah I'll stick with my 6 and keep my licence longer too. Go try one though at least..
Thank you, Neeves! This was just the kind of wrap up after the testing you did that I like to watch! Setting the standard for motorcycle reporting for years~
Don't forget that for the Roadside Assistance, BMW does NOT charge any deductibles unlike all other roadside assistance programs from all other motorcycle brands; such as Ducati, which ONLY gives you "up to" $200 to have a tow truck pick you up as part of the roadside assistance. You have to pay everything else after that. So, if you get stuck on a tour and the nearest Ducati or other exotic dealership is 150(or more) miles away you are screwed. But, there is NO limit distance for BMW. They pay for ALL of the towing no matter the distance ! That is considered a true 5 Star Service to the 'conscious intelligent man'...
I’d argue that a) go second hand cos you’ll get great bikes for way less. But b) if you want new… the base models are actually far better than all but the fast track day riders - you just pick the brand or looks you like really. Plus people throw some mods at it anyway.
a true gem of a video thanks so much! I love the R1 the most but most club race 'super stock' rules don't allow brake caliber changes which makes it a difficult choice if you want to do a little more than just track days
It's an optional addon nowadays. It's a new trend to sell it separately. The new s1000r base comes without QS too, even though the 2017 model has QS and autoblipper as standard.
Absolutely mental prices I bought the the Bmw s1000rr m sport when it came out and was so disappointed in the build quality bolts would just disappear the right handlebar came off in my hand at knockhill track day was more stuff to the bike had only done 1300 miles lol
Here is something interesting to look at. Here in China the motorcycle prices are through the roof. Just to list a few: BMW S1000rr base model = 297,900RMB - 44363.72USD Ducati Panigale v2 = 222, 000RMB - 33049.48USD Ducati Panigale v4 (base model no 's') = 248,000RMB - 36920.14USD Kawasaki Ninja ZX10r = 360, 000RMB - 53593.76USD Yamaha YZF-R1 = 229,000 RMB - 34091.58USD Suzuki GSX-R1000 = 339,800RMB - 50586.55USD Honda CBR1000rr-r = 428,000RMB - 63717.02USD These are a few of the liter bikes, however to be honest the 600 CC's are also all from 260k to 400k RMB (CNY). And all the motorcycles have a 13 year scrap period before you can't ride your motorcycle anymore. (Sad but true, I own a Ducati here and plan to ship it to a foreign country once it reach that period or 120 000km).
I’m old school and the only bike with any electronics I owned (briefly) was the 2014 ninja 1000 w abs and traction. Hated it! I miss my 2004-2015 bikes with some only having a slipper clutch. Those were cbr 1000rrs Gsxr 750 cbr 600rr, zx10r and my lovely tractor of a beast rc8r. These newer bikes are too cluttered and busy with bs I don’t need. They should make them in base models too no tc no abs nothing! My wrist takes care of all the controls instead of crappy electronics
My 1199 is still lighter than these and with an Akrapovic runs over 200 hp, crazy bike and always a day out, and Im never going to good enough to ride it!
I’d like to see MCN do some more second hand bike stuff. Bikes normal people can afford lol. You could do everything from 5 year old sports bikes and Adventure bikes or even up to 10 years old . Thanks Neevsey
As these bikes approach prices of cars, maintenance costs really go up. Warranties are great but high performance means higher wear and tear on parts. Off warranty repair especially on high performance engines means a thick wallet needed. European bikes are made in the thousands vs Japanese bikes made in the millions. More aftermarket parts vs oem parts for Japanese bikes above should be considered if money is an issue.
I really doesn't matter! They're all way more bike than 95% of the people can use. Still, they all have great engineering and are very capable ridden by a very experienced rider.
This is a great review by a more competent rider than myself. I will say that probably most riders are in the sub 20K category. The rest depends on your riding habits, capabilities and mechanical ability. Being a mechanic I like the low price of Kawasaki and the fun in fixin' it up (2014 N1K, 2019 ZX_10R). BMW, Aprilla, Ducati all have high cost of ownership. Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki are more user friendly and fun/cheaper to mod.
Bought a 22 S1K RR; sold it in less than 6 months. Rides well; EASY to ride but gave me issues from the start. Engine died twice on me while i was at an intersection and turning. This could have been deadly. Handle bar vibrates like crazy, unstable at high speeds; and plastics feel extremely cheap. Suspension is smooth and its a fast bike, but its very unreliable. My water pump failed not even 2 weeks of ownership and the bike was in the shop for over a month. Recommend Japanese bike or if you can afford it; the Panigale V4s. 18,500 miles on my Ducati and not a single issue. 2021 Panigale V4s.
I used to race (so I think I’m a reasonably decent rider) and I wouldn’t buy a 1000 for the road. Too expensive for something I’d never be able to really ride and enjoy without going to a track. On a track day - different story - but on the road you can have more fun on a naked or middleweight bike (if you’re still going sports bike & not tourer).
Love these vids, but +£20k for a modern superbike is just ridiculous, and you say the RSV-4 at £16,900 is cracking value, well maybe on PCP, but seriously,... I remember buying a new CBR1000RR in 2004 at £9,500 and I thought Fk/me thats the most I've ever spent on a bike, and looking back it will ever tbh... older bikes set up correctly and still just as capable in good hands and less than £10k, unless ones only goal is bullshiting at the local bike meet, then I'll stick with those thank you..
I think it would b really good if u were to do another review on the same superbikes but judge them on reliability and cost of service , u can have the best superbikes for the track but r they really that good if ur having big end failures or cam shaft problems at 10,000 km's
The CBR RR-R in the US is $29k. Can’t even find pricing on an SP. It’s crazy money. I’d take the Ducati V4S all day every day over that. Honda are insane.
I would rate the ZX10R above both the R1 and GSXR. From riding them all, and seeing countless other "professional" reviewers on youtube, it's quite clear why.
Technology we don't need is driving the prices way too high. Motorcycles being fun and affordable is quickly becoming a thing of the past. In 2016 I bought a FZ09 for $8000 new. Today they're double that.
If you want some real performers the Brembo Stylema monobloc calipers are a good choice, but you'll drop some serious coin on them($900-$1000 US). This doesn't include steel braided lines, pads and master cylinder for the fronts only.
The new blade is so heavy. 30 years ago 185kg was the main selling point of the game changer. I did like your commentary on the Fireblade line up I put together at Donington though Michael
Its funny how they say for 2021 superbike, terrible brakes :D and Im here on the 1990. VFR750F... how these would be compared to the ZX10R bad brakes lol :D
100% correct. I think calling the zx10 brakes terrible is just lazy reviewing. They could be a touch and I mean touch sharper which a better set of pads does, but calling them terrible ? Nope.
Now the multi-million pound question, what bike (if any) have you Michael Neeves, spent your own money on? I'm sure being a bike journalist doesn't offer an unlimited budget so I'd be interested to know after all these years what bikes you have put your own cash into?
What's the best value 2022 Superbike?
List price the Kawasaki but in terms of real world prices on the shop floor, no one discounts like Suzuki so the GSXR is the best value bike in real terms for me.
cbr1000rrr sp 30 anniversary 2022
BMW
They don't make the 'single R' Gixxer anymore?
@@philbarrett3739 Some countries still have them for sale but they never sold that well in the UK so they discontinued it here. Also if you can only get the Phantom now, that 100% says a new GSXR1000 will surface in the not too distant future.
Ah Neevesy, never disappoints, never wastes your time...Always great to get the "Why I would, why I wouldn't" in a 10 minute vid... Cheers
Hes the Best !!!
Crazy that 16k is good value these days.
Confusing "good value" with "less of a rip off".
Sign of the times, 16k bikes and 300k 1 bed starter homes
My bike ain't cheap,
But it only costs 5% of a Ferrari that it eats for lunch.
I know.. I sometimes wonder if I’m just “getting old” but the I think of what bikes cost relative to cars (always way less), and the modern ones are now on par with a lot of decent cars.
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I love this guys reviews, they’re probably the most unbiased 💪🏾
I have absolutely no intention of buying any of these bikes, but I still loved the video. Great work as always. Informative and down to earth.
BMW during warranty, Suzuki for an eternity. And the soundtrack of the Yamaha is something you can really enjoy on a trackday. Couldn't agree more on your conclusions.
I kinda miss the 00's when sportbikes were simpler. Been out of the loop for the last decade or so and it's pretty confusing with all the variants of the same model and the ridicilous pricing. Also the 600's seems to be gone, supply and demand I guess?
I don't get why the 600's are disappearing. It makes no sense
750's pretty much gone too. I don't think it'll be long before the so called 'litre bike' disappears too and we're all riding naked and adventure bikes.
@@elonmusk9697 As the manufacturers chased race wins these 600s became more and more expensive, plus insurance for the (mostly) younger buyers became more expensive as well.
@@elonmusk9697 mostly to do with emissions I think.
This is a comparison of superbikes, not 600's. Middleweights are doing fine, 600 class is the most popular, although I believe nakeds are more popular than sport bikes
Great comparative sum up - would be great to hear the same for the current crop of super and hyper nakeds.
Fantastic quick summaries. Professional racers can tell the difference as they are able to use 100% of the bikes capabilities. 99% of the rest of us would be happy on any of these bikes at any price point. It what pulls on your heart strings. Exclusive, exotics pull on my strings more than a generic Honda or Yamaha. European bikes have that extra moving art with stretching the tech.
Nice video, but ownership costs were not covered. In my country BMW is crazy expensive to maintain. Japanese still have the reliability factor and are affordable for the working man. Services, parts and repairs. ☘️
FACTS !!!!!!
Yep
Great summary of a bunch of bikes that are bordering on being irrelevant for road use.
I do love sports bikes. Had several including zx7r, '04 Fireblade and a '15 S1000RR. Whilst the 7R wasn't setting the world alight with power, it was a great road bike. Satisfying to ride on road and track. The Fireblade felt on the limit of what power was remotely possible to use on the road. The RR tipped the balance and got rid within 6 months. Ironically, superb electronics and insane power, combine to make a bike that is video-game easy to just pin the throttle. Whilst this does allow the rider to focus on everything else, it doesn't stop the fact that you find yourself in two polar opposite ends of road riding: left feeling that you're pootling about using half revs and quarter throttle, or, you begin to feel that you're stretching it's legs, arriving home thinking - how am I (or others) still in one piece and will I be getting a brown envelope in the post in next two weeks ...worse, a knock on the door.
let's have some great handling, usable sports bikes for the road that we can use and can afford.
They *are* completely irrelevant for road use for 99% of riders 😂
@@fatsharks 😁
I've been saying this for years. I'd take 130-150hp and a nice, usable torque curve over a 200hp revbox any time I'm not at a track. The Triumph looks about as close as you can get at the moment but I haven't tried one so can't say for sure.
All this £25k for something that can't pull your gran under 10,000rpm is just daft.
@@siraff4461 totally agree 👍
Actually nicely said. I used to race (so I think I’m a reasonably decent rider) and I wouldn’t buy a 1000 for the road. Exactly what you said - just never feel like you’ve “ridden” the bike without getting into ultra-dangerous arrest-me-or-die speeds.
The Fire Blade is so underrated for no reason and I don't know why
Yeah when he said it was near the bottom kind of made me laugh.
It’s literally right at the top with couple others , although it is an overall value video I guess? So price would be high compared to some competitors anyways. But H2’s and RSV4 factory isn’t gonna a whole lot of difference lol.
As a non fireblade for 20k think the value is actually not bad at all
IT IS too small.
Very informative. I also had a difficult time to choose in between BMW S1000RR Sport and Suzuki GSX-R1000R but ended up with S1000RR for having little more tech eg semi active suspension, TFT dash and active breaks etc. But no doubt that Suzuki is an excellent all rounder as well. And in Korea, GSX R1000R is 10-15% cheaper than BMW. So great value for money too. Cheers
I've owned both and miss how easy my gsxr was to work on and the bike literally will treat you just as well as you treat it!
I have a 2020 S1000RR and its an incredible bike and super comfortable on road too.
as someone that owned a few bikes a gsxr 600 and a yamaha r1 and rode heaps more the gsxr 600 just worked, was solid. No thrills or creature comforts but did the job as well as you would want it to. The yamaha's were a bit iffy sometimes and i had problems with my clutch on my r1
Straight to the point no waffle fantastic review. Thank you Michael keep them coming, you are the one to trust.
" waffle fantastic " omfg 🤣😂🤣PERFECTION 👌
I have no idea what waffle fantastic means yet somehow I know exactly what it means I don't care either way thank you
I agree, I had a Normal Gsxr 2017 model. Absolutely stunning road bike, utterly fantastic. Fueling, comfort and looks. Loved it so much. Brakes were a bit soft though
GSXR incredible machine for the price ❤️
Had L8 GSXR 1000 since new mainly use it for track and it's been a great solid machine. Handles well and strong power over 10k
I have owned most of these bikes. Only one I still have is my heavily modified h2. It’s just such a work of art and you never see one on the streets so most blokes are always interested to have a chat about it. Great video Michael. 👍🏻
Totally agree with you, had many bikes but the H2 it's just something else
excellent agree 100% with the outcome 👍
I miss when bikes were simpler in the 2000-2010 era where it almost felt like it was literally just an engine, two wheels and yourself. Now with all the electronics it feels like a computer. I think the last of that golden era is the current gixxer. Just put gas and ride it. Not a fan of Suzuki but their bike is the only that feels like those golden days
Well, some allow you to zero out almost all the electronics - not TC, WC, Acrive/semi active shocks, etc. etc... At 158-168 hp, you can still get sideways, but at 200 hp, it just happens that much quicker...
Zx10r definitely the best road riding bike here. It’s so good on the road
For me looking at the choices, Suzuki GSX is good enough all-rounder, daily driver bike.
I miss the days of late 90's Japanese 600s... :D An awesome bikes to ride around with your friends after watching Akira. Infinitely easy to ride, mod, and own, and have fun with.
absolutely man, had a 91 honda f2 and a 99 yammy r6 and a 2002 cbr 600rr coulda got a 1000 but the sixes are where its at, i miss the shootouts just the Japanese 4 and triumph came along there at the end. Got a 2018 zx6r kawi now but all are excellent rides. Stay safe.
I’ve been riding a GSXR 600 for the past 5 years since I got my license. I feel like I need to own a litre bike before they are killed off forever. I want that experience. My money would be on an S1000RR or R1. But I’m short so probably the S1000RR
I found them overkill for road use. Too fast, can get you in trouble fast and you can lose your licence fast...
I second this. If you even want a slight taste of that 200hp, you'll be higher in the rev range going absolutely stupid speeds on the road.
You could argue a supernaked would be more practical on the road, but I tried a Superduke and the torque on that thing was also far too much for the road in my opinion.
I currently own a Duke 890 R, which is considered to be the goldilocks street bike, but I even think that bike is too fast for the street. As soon as you start having some fun, you're going over twice the speed limit already. Bonkers.
I would try and borrow or hire a 1000 for a week or just a weekend. The constant fueling and the prices ('bigger tanks') will disappoint you very quickly. The bloody thing was constantly pawing the sky and didn't really need 6 gears.. 3 gears was enough. Don't get me wrong it was laugh inducing but..
The running costs and higher insurance broke the deal for me. If budget is not an issue for you then buy one but i, myself can live without one happily. And besides wheres the challenge in just pulling away from everyone on the straight bits if you can't go round corners faster too.
Nah I'll stick with my 6 and keep my licence longer too.
Go try one though at least..
Thank you, Neeves! This was just the kind of wrap up after the testing you did that I like to watch! Setting the standard for motorcycle reporting for years~
Thanks i have learnt a lot from watching this vid you have been spot on with your summary.😀
A very sensibly put together video , makes a lot of sense
Everybody loves a Gixer👌
And this channel is why Im a proud S1000RR owner, I do love and miss my Kawasaki bikes but I do not regret getting a BMW
Suzuki AND Aprilia (and I'am a Yamaha fan tough).
Best review ever done on the latest superbikes.
Being a tall bloke I'd have the S1000RR M edition 50th anniversary. Being skint though I'll keep what I've got.
Great video, as usual from Michael👌
Amazing video as always, great work!
Great stuff, thank you.
Cbr1000rrr sp 30 anniversary
I really enjoy your videos, totally unbiased and extremely accurate.
Great video, hopefully add an S1000RR in a few years when prices drop a little (I hope)
Don't forget that for the Roadside Assistance, BMW does NOT charge any deductibles unlike all other roadside assistance programs from all other motorcycle brands; such as Ducati, which ONLY gives you "up to" $200 to have a tow truck pick you up as part of the roadside assistance. You have to pay everything else after that. So, if you get stuck on a tour and the nearest Ducati or other exotic dealership is 150(or more) miles away you are screwed. But, there is NO limit distance for BMW. They pay for ALL of the towing no matter the distance ! That is considered a true 5 Star Service to the 'conscious intelligent man'...
I’d argue that a) go second hand cos you’ll get great bikes for way less.
But b) if you want new… the base models are actually far better than all but the fast track day riders - you just pick the brand or looks you like really.
Plus people throw some mods at it anyway.
a true gem of a video thanks so much! I love the R1 the most but most club race 'super stock' rules don't allow brake caliber changes which makes it a difficult choice if you want to do a little more than just track days
I'm not a superbike rider but I enjoyed this video.
Amazing video
MM93 Honda Repsol HRC Honda RC213V is the most expensive MotoGP Bikes of all times.
Great video
Doing the same for middle weights ??
If possible do a superbike shootout but with all the bikes unlocked. The japanese especially kawasaki are restricted much harsher than euro bikes.
Aprilia all day long for me. Soundtrack alone is amazing 👏
Love the honesty. Need more info on setting up as a track day beast, bang for the buck
The 'Blade doesn't even have a quickshifter? My 2015 BMW has an 'up and down blipper' ffs. 🤔
It's an optional addon nowadays. It's a new trend to sell it separately.
The new s1000r base comes without QS too, even though the 2017 model has QS and autoblipper as standard.
Absolutely mental prices I bought the the Bmw s1000rr m sport when it came out and was so disappointed in the build quality bolts would just disappear the right handlebar came off in my hand at knockhill track day was more stuff to the bike had only done 1300 miles lol
Great video! Would love to see a similar one for the hypernakeds.
Absolutely
YES!!!
Yes, please do a comparison of the hyper nudies!
Here is something interesting to look at. Here in China the motorcycle prices are through the roof. Just to list a few:
BMW S1000rr base model = 297,900RMB - 44363.72USD
Ducati Panigale v2 = 222, 000RMB - 33049.48USD
Ducati Panigale v4 (base model no 's') = 248,000RMB - 36920.14USD
Kawasaki Ninja ZX10r = 360, 000RMB - 53593.76USD
Yamaha YZF-R1 = 229,000 RMB - 34091.58USD
Suzuki GSX-R1000 = 339,800RMB - 50586.55USD
Honda CBR1000rr-r = 428,000RMB - 63717.02USD
These are a few of the liter bikes, however to be honest the 600 CC's are also all from 260k to 400k RMB (CNY). And all the motorcycles have a 13 year scrap period before you can't ride your motorcycle anymore. (Sad but true, I own a Ducati here and plan to ship it to a foreign country once it reach that period or 120 000km).
I’m old school and the only bike with any electronics I owned (briefly) was the 2014 ninja 1000 w abs and traction. Hated it! I miss my 2004-2015 bikes with some only having a slipper clutch. Those were cbr 1000rrs Gsxr 750 cbr 600rr, zx10r and my lovely tractor of a beast rc8r. These newer bikes are too cluttered and busy with bs I don’t need. They should make them in base models too no tc no abs nothing! My wrist takes care of all the controls instead of crappy electronics
My 1199 is still lighter than these and with an Akrapovic runs over 200 hp, crazy bike and always a day out, and Im never going to good enough to ride it!
Excellent as always mate but I’m keep my h2 💪
I'd still get a R1. So much capability and they sound the best in my opinion
Just seen a 2018 Gsxr 1000 with low miles for a really really good price lol, I think ima have to try that bike out
I love mine, pipe, filter tune, q/s, bleed brakes, then off with you now!
thank you, do it for street fighter, or just street, naked bikes
Thank you.
CBR 1000RR-R all day every day twice on sunday.
I suggest using tierlist for categorization fir these bikes, great visual aid and way to order items
I’m happy with my 21 RSV4
I’d like to see MCN do some more second hand bike stuff. Bikes normal people can afford lol. You could do everything from 5 year old sports bikes and Adventure bikes or even up to 10 years old . Thanks Neevsey
As these bikes approach prices of cars, maintenance costs really go up. Warranties are great but high performance means higher wear and tear on parts. Off warranty repair especially on high performance engines means a thick wallet needed. European bikes are made in the thousands vs Japanese bikes made in the millions. More aftermarket parts vs oem parts for Japanese bikes above should be considered if money is an issue.
Harley riders are use to paying through the nose on just air/oil cooled motors.
Harly riders are dense. Everybody and their mum has one broken down in the garage, but they all think it's appreciating 😂
Aside from the H2, I love them all.
I really doesn't matter! They're all way more bike than 95% of the people can use. Still, they all have great engineering and are very capable ridden by a very experienced rider.
This is a great review by a more competent rider than myself. I will say that probably most riders are in the sub 20K category. The rest depends on your riding habits, capabilities and mechanical ability. Being a mechanic I like the low price of Kawasaki and the fun in fixin' it up (2014 N1K, 2019 ZX_10R). BMW, Aprilla, Ducati all have high cost of ownership. Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki are more user friendly and fun/cheaper to mod.
Are you sure that’s your favorite subject Michael?
Gsxr for the reliability, these bikes are pretty much indestructible and they are cheap to fix and maintain.
Bought a 22 S1K RR; sold it in less than 6 months. Rides well; EASY to ride but gave me issues from the start. Engine died twice on me while i was at an intersection and turning. This could have been deadly. Handle bar vibrates like crazy, unstable at high speeds; and plastics feel extremely cheap. Suspension is smooth and its a fast bike, but its very unreliable. My water pump failed not even 2 weeks of ownership and the bike was in the shop for over a month. Recommend Japanese bike or if you can afford it; the Panigale V4s. 18,500 miles on my Ducati and not a single issue. 2021 Panigale V4s.
awesome review
really happy with my 2022 s1000rr :D
Where would i acquire a non sp cbr1000rr-r?
I used to race (so I think I’m a reasonably decent rider) and I wouldn’t buy a 1000 for the road. Too expensive for something I’d never be able to really ride and enjoy without going to a track.
On a track day - different story - but on the road you can have more fun on a naked or middleweight bike (if you’re still going sports bike & not tourer).
Rsv4 factory is everywhere when it comes to comparison
Many of my countries man, Cambodia 🇰🇭 love two of those Yamaha R1M and the BMW S1000RR/M1000RR and the Panigale V4s or V2
Couldn't have said it better.
H2 without a doubt
ZX10R
Love these vids, but +£20k for a modern superbike is just ridiculous, and you say the RSV-4 at £16,900 is cracking value, well maybe on PCP, but seriously,... I remember buying a new CBR1000RR in 2004 at £9,500 and I thought Fk/me thats the most I've ever spent on a bike, and looking back it will ever tbh... older bikes set up correctly and still just as capable in good hands and less than £10k, unless ones only goal is bullshiting at the local bike meet, then I'll stick with those thank you..
Everybody loves a black bike with gold wheels
do this for naked bikes
I think it would b really good if u were to do another review on the same superbikes but judge them on reliability and cost of service , u can have the best superbikes for the track but r they really that good if ur having big end failures or cam shaft problems at 10,000 km's
Have you made a similar video recently for supersports or middleweights?
Deff looking at the s1krr as NY next Nike to rip around but the ninja s1k is nice. Currently rolling on a 21 R-3
what about panigale 1299s in this rank？
Gixxer is king 🔥👑
Ninja H2, put a full system on it, lose the restrictions and you have 250 HP
270bhp=250whp
Why the S1000RR and Gixxser only if you’re NOT going to do many track days???
The CBR RR-R in the US is $29k. Can’t even find pricing on an SP. It’s crazy money. I’d take the Ducati V4S all day every day over that. Honda are insane.
I would rate the ZX10R above both the R1 and GSXR. From riding them all, and seeing countless other "professional" reviewers on youtube, it's quite clear why.
Technology we don't need is driving the prices way too high. Motorcycles being fun and affordable is quickly becoming a thing of the past. In 2016 I bought a FZ09 for $8000 new. Today they're double that.
R1 vs gsxr?
What brake mods would you recommend for the r1
If you want some real performers the Brembo Stylema monobloc calipers are a good choice, but you'll drop some serious coin on them($900-$1000 US). This doesn't include steel braided lines, pads and master cylinder for the fronts only.
The new blade is so heavy. 30 years ago 185kg was the main selling point of the game changer. I did like your commentary on the Fireblade line up I put together at Donington though Michael
Its funny how they say for 2021 superbike, terrible brakes :D and Im here on the 1990. VFR750F... how these would be compared to the ZX10R bad brakes lol :D
100% correct. I think calling the zx10 brakes terrible is just lazy reviewing. They could be a touch and I mean touch sharper which a better set of pads does, but calling them terrible ? Nope.
Why Suzuki wouldn’t list the base model GSX-R is beyond me 🤷♂️
I think it's has something to do with the emmisions of the base model.
Honda is number one ❤
Now the multi-million pound question, what bike (if any) have you Michael Neeves, spent your own money on? I'm sure being a bike journalist doesn't offer an unlimited budget so I'd be interested to know after all these years what bikes you have put your own cash into?
maybe have a look at the Buell 1190 Hammerhead. Or ?