Lots of comments here. We'll leave this last comment from us: I understand that many of you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end. CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty. Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present? Carwow's STOCK M1000RR blew up on the drag strip. (Don't know the result of their situation) Anonymous BMW employees have reached out letting us know of their shady practices, and of an on-going engine recall which is hush-hush. Read the comments here from so many other people with issues with their BMW. We're bringing to light an issue within the industry that needs to be addressed. We have the means to buy a new engine. What about another person without the resources? . . Faulty engine assembly or faulty bearings... And the warranty was denied. What do you guys think? We would love to know 👇 But we're working on getting a new bike, so stay tuned!
Sad BMW has come to this,never will own another one myself n definitely would have sold it too after all that bullshit !!! ABSOLUTELY NO WAY ITS YOUR FAULT !!!!
@@Motomillion I can’t recall exactly, i think it was through my dealer the sales manager. I had ordered my bike last august and had to readjust because it wasn’t coming anytime soon. It was a stop sale. They never expressed why I believe but he heard it through his connections. I ended up with a 24 ducati v4. I had an Aprilia rsv4 and was nervous about Italian products. My new limited broke down constantly from the start. Aprilia bought the bike back with only 300 miles last July.
My nephew is a BMW technician in a reputable BMW Dealer and he told me that last year they got 17 engine failures similar to your video . I feel your pain brother .
My Ducati Diavel 1260s burnt oil for 2 years... full compliment in 3000kms. Then it ate a valve. Duacti replaced under warranty. The head of Ducati in my country stated "we want people to ride motorcycles" - 3 weeks later there was a new engine. It took a bit of work to get there, but they knew it was their responsibility. Sad not all companies put customers first.
I believe the '08 through '11 CBR 1000rr were known to burn a quart of oil between oil changes. Honda claimed it was normal, and end the end of the day engine failures were super rare on that model.
@@taylorhickman84 This was 2019 model... and ultimately the issue lead to the catastrophic failure of the engine. The point is modern motorcycles should be more reliable... due to the price paid.
they are pushing more and more power cant be reliable though. as i said before s1000rr is cheap copy of GSX-R engine thats being in development for 50 plus years now. I will always have japanese bikes. All four kings from sunrising east. You can stick turbo they go thousand and thousand of miles. Europe cant build as Japan does ppl dont know that hence buying this types of bikes. three four in head@@cameronmale83
but you didnt take it on a dyno and a 400 mile ride with an engine warning light and some dude telling you pdi hasnt been done. Because thats what he did and stated in this video. Thats why he wont get it warrenty. Its not BMW's responsibility anymore when he does that
So sorry to hear about this, you look crestfallen, I had a GSXR 1000 engine fail a few years ago (300 miles old from new!), took it back to the shop i purchased it from, after inspection (the next day) they got 2 technicians from Suzuki UK to come up (in day 3) and they diagnosed there was a problem with the engine, they already had a replacement engine just in case with them in the van, and replaced the engine the same day ( day 3), I also got a letter of conformity for the new engine from Suzuki, and one apologizing for the failure. Now this happened to me in the UK, I would have thought you would have least been given some compassion in what is BMWs flagship motorcycle, SHAME ON THEM!!!.
You see, your experience with Suzuki win's your business for a long time. It even makes us happy to hear stories like this and makes us consider such brand names too!
I've just started a job as a Steam Turbine Engineer. I would have saved up my hard earned money and purchased an S1000RR or M1000RR simply because of how fast they are. But after this video. I'm not wasting my money for a bike that might get me 1,000km before going bang. Last year I purchased a bmw 318d and got scammed too, purchased a bmw a decade ago and ALSO got scammed. I think once I save my cash in a few years, I will just go with suzuki or Honda for reliability. I've owned my suzuki bandit for the past 5 years and it's never let me down once.
so you removed the break-in limiter, went to put an aftermarket dyno tune on it, redlined the engine within the advised break-in period, and blew the engine up?
I understand that you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end. CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty. Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present? Carwow's STOCK M1000RR blew up on the drag strip. Read the comments here from so many other people with issues with their BMW. We're just bringing to light an issue within the industry.
It says right in the American manual, no full throttle until after 621 miles and nothing over 9000 rpm......even if the engines are having problems, I'm not following any other procedure other than what the manual tells me on my $40K motorcycle. Not following the manual, then blowing up the engine, gives BMW a clear out. I don't have any sympathy for 'motomillion".
Had a BMW S1000RR 2020 M-packge. Nothing but problems on my side, I sold it and bought a Yamaha R1 2024. Things I changed on warranty: -handle bars rubber -left mirror -front forks -front calipers -cam chain tensioner twice -oil pump -oil cooler (radiator) -airboxintake silencer air filter box housing -rear braking line and abs electric wire was touching the exhaust and popping ABS failure -lots of condensation build in the exhaust cat and popping check engine failure I got so dissponinted with that bike, I was so scared that one day that engine will blow up and die on that bike. I can sleep better now as I got rid of it. NEVER ever going back to a BMW or looking at them.
Dang, see I wanted to do a wrecked build series with a s1000rr, I don't think I do anymore hearing of issues like this because there isn't a warranty on those...
wow, that insane! I almost bought a non m s1000rr recently but picked up a ZX10r because it was so much cheaper and Kawi's history of reliability. My first ZX10r I put 55k miles on and it never once had any problems.
@@Motomillionr1 and ducati sound the best at a idle and low rev but, when you get into mid and top speed and high revs, bmw wins in the sound division.
My local dealer has several 2024 S1000RR and M1000R's in stock. I was tempted to purchase but your video popped up and now that I have seen these major issues I have decided that I will stick with Japanese motorcycles. Thank you for getting this out for the consumer. $20-$40K for a motorycle is way too much money to have to deal with these major difficulties.
I am a French biker. I had a 2019 s1000r. I had no problems with it. I currently have a K67 s1000rr and have had no problems with it either. Despite this, I understand being disappointed by a negative response without any verification from the dealer. We have vehicles that are relatively expensive and the feeling of having no empathy when we have a known problem with the vehicle can be very frustrating. Our luck is when 2024 BMW, like all other manufacturers, is very careful about their reputation on social networks. And absolutely want to maintain a good image in order to make customers loyal. Good luck to you in your reimbursement process. RIDE SAFE / PEACE
I had purchased my dream bike, the 2022 BMW M 1000RR in mid 2022. I got to enjoy around 5k miles before I experienced a catastrophic failure like you had with your M. I was on my way home from work when it happened. I didn't tune my bike like most owners of these machines do, mainly due to fear of warranty becoming void. After 3 months of waiting, BMW honored the warranty and sent a new engine for my dealer to install. Unfortunately the new engine experienced issues after the break-in period, dream bike experience wasn't as pleasant as I had hoped.
If something breaks during warranty, you go to a dealer! One morning my F900XR threw a yellow warning and went into limp mode. We didn't have a BMW Motorrad dealer in our city and they picked it up and dropped it back after fixing it. Was very happy with the service.
you lost me at 18:52 haha ... the break in rev limiter is part of the warranty whether you "believe" in it or not. like how hard is it to put 600 miles on the bike?
I put on 120 miles on my new bike the day I picked it up at the dealers, before the week was out it was due for its first service, this bloke had this bike over 7 months and only put on 400 miles, says he hasn't got the time to run it in but finds time in 7 months to do a pile of alterations on the bike, found time for no reason to DYNO it and rev the nuts off it, fucks the engine then finds 38 hours to drive it to his mates BMW mechanic hoping for preferential treatment, this plonker needs to get his priorities in order.
@bobp6742 😂 love this comment! and then proceeded to do a 35 minute session about it. guy could have went for a 2 hour ride and be halfway there with the milage
@@TwoTechnics76 He has a bike worth 40k that had only 9 miles on it and what does he do, takes a fucking angle grinder to it, he's not well in the head.
@@bobp6742 yeah I found it weird he took it all the way to Cleveland Ohio from South Florida, because he doesn't trust anyone else?? wtf? there's many certified BMW mechanics and shops in the state of Florida that work hard on these bikes and do great work... something doesn't add up about all that
@@TwoTechnics76 He knew he'd fucked up on the warranty and didn't have the means to buy a new engine. He said his mate worked as a BMW mechanic in Ohio and he went there just hoping his so called mate would just say to BMW that it was a fault in the engine and he would get a free engine, but it didn't work out that way 🤣🤣 So now he's whining and crying how bad BMW customer service is. Am glad BMW stuck to their guns and told him to piss off. I bet they've watched his videos of him breaking the warranty, their not that stupid.
Thank you Manny for this public service.You have save me a lot of grief.That same local BMW dealer work on my 2011 s1k for some recall work and now my bike overheats and that never happen before.
I have a 2023 M1000RR, I've been following your build very closely, and have done a lot of the mods you also have. Currently at 2100km problem free. I had a feeling something had gone wrong when you stopped uploads on this bike. I am so sorry to hear about this and how poorly it was handled. All of the points you made are clear and unbiased. I think this video will blow up, at which point you can expect a call from BMW. Wish you all the best.
That's sad if they only deal / remedy the problem because of his platform. What about other enthusiast and owners that might have a problem and don't have his / a fanbase 😢😭
Shared this to my riding group page. We had one of our top riders have trouble with his BMW as well. Fast Lane D on YT has had a ton of problems with his. Will absolutely be spreading the word to all my fellow riders. Not a single BMW will be purchased over here. Appreciate the transparency and as always, great content 🫡 RideOTL 🏍🏁
Unfortunately, not the first nor the last BMW blown engine I've heard, seen about. Great video though going through it for us. Much appreciated! Not a negative press video but I'm not going near the S1000RR like I had planned this season. THANK YOU!
S1000RR engines are not built on the same line as the M1kRR. Not to trying to convince you to buy one just inform. I have almost 3.5k miles on mine with exhaust and flash. 0 issues so far.
I have a 2024 BMW M1000RR and I really hope I don’t have these type of problems. Sounds like a headache and a half! Kudos to you and nothing but blessing on your future builds🙏🏽
Thank you so so much for the wonderful video. I wish everybody have had this experience well documented and tell other consumers how big companies like BMW will not stand and care and treat them like it should be, how was this much to purchase myfirst S1000rr but no way I will purchase another brand after I watch your video , Thank you for your honesty and thanks for everybody behind the scene
Manufacturers appreciate having documented proof of ECU modifications through flashing. Once this is established, the warranty becomes void, as the manufacturer no longer has an obligation to cover any failures. This stance is understandable since the engine is not operating within the original factory limits and parameters.
Absolute nonsense as the engine is designed to run within the tolerances allowed by the manufacturer. Soon warranties won't mean anything anymore. This POS is meant to be a superbike, just ask Toprak how "he" blew up his motor.
I understand that you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end. CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty. Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
Your statement is NOT TRUE in the United States. Manufacturers need to PROVE that your modifications led to the defect. Sorry but NO TUNE is going to magically loosen up the bolts inside of the engine. If he sued them he would stand a VERY good chance of winning...the problem is that it would cost a significant amount and take a considerable amount of time to do this, which is exactly what the manufacturer is banking on...that it will be a larger hassle in the long run to drag them into court. Read up on Harley Davidsons issues with denying warranty, as htey had to send letters to EVERY PERSON who had a bike that had warranty on it, explaining that they could work on their bikes without fear of voiding their warranty and they had to pay a HUGE FINE over it as well. BMW simply doesnt have a large enough customer base that will unite against them in a court of law.
@@dougiequick1 BMW is never going to outright state that it voids your warranty as that would significantly affect sales....they just simply deny your claim saying you ran a non approved tune...you can try to fight them but you better have deep pockets, as I have been there...
Really sorry to hear this. Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve owned a few Yamahas and Ducatis over the years and have always had good customer service from either brand. Was actually looking at either an S1000RR or the M this summer, but after watching this I really can’t see myself supporting a brand like BMW. It’s not even about the bikes anymore, I know shit happens sometimes with all brands and manufacturing issues can occur. What I cannot support is both the lack of empathy from customer service and the manufacturer and just the overall negligence to investigate the root issue of this particular engine. I hope BMW takes a hard look at this video and all the comments and ends up doing the right thing and reimburses yourself and your company for the engine and labour. Best of luck.
I have owned numerous new BMW motorcycles over the years. They were once known for reliability and *excellent* customer service. My last GS had a fuel system recall. About a year later, the part they recalled failed and it started leaking fuel. The dealer reached out to BMW to get it replaced and to the dealers surprise they refused. I called their customer service (now the same as their automobile line) and was told they wouldn’t replace the failed part they put on my bike under their own recall. I got ahold of a manager and explained I was a loyal customer having purchased numerous new BMW bikes. He offered to give a tiny discount off of the retail price of the $800+ part. I will never own another BMW product.
@@elcookiemonsteru I own a lot of bikes, and have owned several Honda’s Yamaha’s and Kawasaki’s. I currently own a couple of old Honda’s. Those bikes certainly tend to be reliable. Unfortunately, there aren’t many models in those brands I like a lot at the moment. This might surprise you, but I’ve had zero problems with my old AND new Guzzi’s. Probably the most reliable bikes I’ve owned. They are a lot like the old BMW’s, very simple and reliable. Guzzi’s parent company, Piaggio also owns Aprilia. I’d consider a RSV4, but it needs an updating.
Didn´t the S1000 models have a required run in time of about 1000 miles where the power was limited, and only afer that they could be used with full power?? Not so sure if hitting the dyno at a little more than 400 miles was the best idea then....
Revenge the engine on the dynowoyld be the best thing for the engine so it has a load on it BMW stupid for not fixing this under warranty this has already cost BMW more that the fix in bad press I was looking at one of these motorcycles now I would never buy A BMW anything
CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty. Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present? Carwow's stock BMW M1000RR also blew up on the drag strip. BMW is having major engine issues on these new engines.
They nerf it to 8 or 9k RPMs until first service. Felt like an eternity on my S1000RR. As soon as first service was done and I took it to 13k, I had the biggest boner. lol
I appreciate the transparency. I think you were more than reasonable. I was given the opportunity to buy an M 1000 R but I passed. Now I'm thankful I did. I can't risk dealing with a company that won't stand behind its (very expensive) product.
No, they ignored me. One had an ECU issue, my wife's caught fire while I was on it. Mine was still supposed to be in warranty but my wife's was 2 years out of it. @@Motomillion
We had an auto gearbox failure on a bmw 420 convertible. It was 39 months old and 47000mile. The uk warranty is 36months. BMW refused to contribute. £13000 later we sold the car. This was my wife’s 4th. BMW. She now dosnt have a bmw and we will never buy another.
So im watching this because i was 2 weeks away from buying a M1000 but after seeing this and reading some of to comments about failures there is no way im going to risk this especially as i work 6 days a week and have no time to have to go through what you went through so Ducati SP2 here we come. Thank for this video it really helped.
I saw an engine failure on the new M1000RR last year in a track day. I'm taking delivery of a new S1000RR tomorrow switching from my R1. Wish I didn't see this video now haha.
what...? why would get a bmw over a r1. well just dont void the warranty and enjoy it but maybe consider selling it when the warranty runs out. those beamers always have major issues, stick with japanese
I agree, my friends have had lits of issues with theirs and they aound funny before warming up. Face it, its not the bike it used to be. kawasaki ftw @philb8344
Thankyou ! Your 1000% have the right to do this video and know we know stayaway from BMW ! Thankyou again we work hard for our money and this will destroy someone less fortunate.
At the end of the day, a company is only as good as they treat their customers. It's absolutely insane that they didn't cover a repair on a BRAND NEW bike! Great video by the way. Nothing nasty, just facts.
A "brand new" bike that the owner abused, and modified ,with non-OEM parts, and changed the ECU mapping, and abused more; while in its initial break in period. Nothing on BMW. They blew the engine through their negligence, and BMW has every right to refuse to repair it under warranty.
I appreciate you telling us your experience with the BMW manufacturer and myself own a 1000RR HP 20 miles on it never road it parked in my garage from 2014 beautiful bike. I don’t think those bikes had that much problems as they do now but knowing your experience with Bmw, I am probably going to never purchase one again and stay with DUCATI. I was a Yamaha boy for many years and I think Yamaha makes an excellent product. Too bad they are going to discontinue the R1 but that’s another story. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with them, but thank God for people like you that actually bring this to light
Wow, thank you so much for sharing this info. You just saved me $40k! I kept on hearing about various major issues with the M1000rr over the grapevine- but I didn't want to believe it. The bike is gorgeous, but a potentially shotty engine with poor customer service is not what I want to spend my hard-earned cash on. So sorry you had to go thru this.
I understand that you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end. CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty. Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
@@Motomillion Excellent point and Bill was on the track giving it the beans. Completely different scenario with your M1000rr which was babied from the day you got it. As consumers we want to know that these “performance bikes” can withstand what they’re supposedly built for. Chris Northover from bike world had an engine go bang on the M1000rr he was testing on Carwow and that was completely stock + he’s a professional rider. I bet there are so many other cases of private owners having their 35K machines going bang that haven’t come to light because they don’t have a following. Time will tell…
Yeah.. but to see the play in that rod... the only thing you can do is get a few experts .. try to win a jury decision.. but your spending a fortune on attorney fees .. But agree why are you dyno tuning a brand new engine during break in period .the warranty says blah blah blah.. it's a dam shame though.. This is why dyno tuning always terrified me when I had my bikes done...
It is known that BMW m1000RR Engines have Problems with high Oil cusumtion weak Pistonrings or wrong or to loose the Assembely is in Italy @@Motomillion
Wow that sucks, ive booked a 2023 M1000RR which cost $50grand here in Canada, just saw this within time. Thank you for this video, as i should start thinking about Ninja H2
Lol, should have went for the h2 immidiately. I got h2, thought about getting the m1k as well but tbh i cant justify spending 45k on a bike without a supercharger
@@Flakapief Lol next you'll be saying "I can't justify spending $70k on a bike without an impulse plasma engine and a gravity phantom drive for them extra long interstellar hops". 🤣
Me either ...LOL . BMW has serious issue on the factory floor if these M1000RR are going sideways.. these are built to RACE WIN RACES above all else... not tooling around town..
He was checking the horsepower and torque, you need to be in gear to do that. Nobody is going to redline their bike in neutral while on a dyno.@@CyberChrist
It’s crazy how even after you told them about your company Motomillion they still refused warranty. Imagine how they would treat a regular customer without a fan base on the internet. Best of luck with the sale.
As a retired engineer who worked in REPCO NZ ( who produced engine parts including bearing shells) I would say straight off it was a duff bearing. Engines are very simple, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to analyse the type of material/s in the oil and where they have come from, everything you highlighted was correct , simply the bearing got through "QC" fitted and broke down from there. Shame on BMW..
Just because someone else's engine that was modified and was replaced doesnt give you guys the right to demand the same. Sure this is unequal treatment but bmv shouldn't have replaced CaliMotoTV's engine in the first place. Modifying the ECU instantly exempts the engines from warranty. This is a know fact and is written in the warranty agreement. It is standard for every engine manufacturer that warranty only cover unmodified engine. Pointing fingers at another case doesnt help your situation here. Ignoring the break in and revving the shit out of the engine certainly doesnt help either. I worked as a KTM engine tech for 4 years. Even "lower" RPM KTM engines showed clearly visible differences in wear on rod bearings on stock engines when not broken-in correctly and exposed to high load. Ignoring break-in periods because you cant be bothered is not a good look for you or something a serious shop should be doing, ESPECIALLY when the break-in in question is on an engine that revs over 15k rpm. Also overrevving "by only 250 rpm" is definitely not a nothing burger, again EXPECIALLY because at this point you were supposed to not rev higher than 7k or 9k rpm. 15,350 rpm is far from that. When you bought this motorcycle YOU agreed to play by their rules, YOU agreed to all warranty conditions. This certainly is not a good look for BMW anyways but blaiming them for not covering the engine warranty that you voided is just not right
Not gonna lie that was really hard to hear that bmw treated you such a respected person and name in the business of sport bikes that alone was a bad move on BMWs part my self I own 3 e60 M5s and spent more than 80k in the past two years at BMW Ducati SOSO CYCLES in Fife WA on a 2022 s1000rr as well after I killed my s1000rr a 2023 M1000rr just last week when I had them put some new Q4s on when I got home all of but 4 miles a way I noticed a new big scratch on the carbon fiber Wheels when I brought it up to them they just acted like I was lying it was extremely hard to keep my cool so even tho not your intention with your video but I seriously don't think I can be a customer/fan of BMW knowing that they treated you like you were negligent at 9 miles I can only imagine what they would say to Me if I ever tried to make an insurance claim when they put the scan on My bike that's gonna read been over 190mph 100x lol well any one in the market for a 2023 M1000rr or some e60 M5 because there going up for sale in support of MOTOMILLION lol
Problem is people refuse to admit their 20,30,40K+ purchase is a dud. Coping is real unless it’s a review unit. The H2 line had oil in the intake issues and forum users are quick to blame the user and not defect Kawasaki has known since its inception. Warranty on power sports in the U.S is another gripe I have.. an absolute joke.
@@kdcustoms1272 what’s irrelevant? Glocks are a staple/pioneer but boy do I wish they would add more modern touches. Needing a plate to use an rmr is dumb(not milling).
I just turned 24 and I’m about to pull the trigger on buying my dream bike. It was between the bmw s1000rr and the Ducati v4. This isn’t the first time I heard about BMW mistreating their customers. I now made my decision to NOT buy a BMW. Thanks manny
So... You're stressing the motorcycle on the dyno and are surprised it blew up and it's not covered by warranty ? New motorcycle, not even after break-in... Really? Oh, and legal matters, like removing this rev limiter, ARE important.
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Same at my local dealer. I was shocked to see these bikes on the floor already with no orders or waiting customers. I wanted one so badly but have decided to hold off for now. thanks for sharing your experience with us
You need to sue BMW...their claiming that removing the break in rev limiter prior to 600 miles is silly because their manual says removing it between 350-600 miles with first oil change. It won't be worth it to hire an attorney, but in FL you can sue for $8K in FL and at least get some of your money back. Good on you for posting the video...
When you spend that much money we all want great service from the local dealer and manufacturer. That should be part of the incentives we get buying these bikes. Crazy!
Start with not abusing the bike, by - 1) remapping ecu , (voids warranty) which they did. 2) - not installing non OEM performance engine parts (voids warranty) which they did. 3) testing or riding bike on a race track (voids warranty) which they did. You don't have anything to worry about, when you actually follow the very simple and clear manufacturer instructions.
BMW is clearly fed up with people buying RR's, putting full race systems on them, removing the running in rev restrictions, redlining the engine multiple times during the break-in period, servicing the bikes themselves, or using non-BMW official dealers, and then either failing to tune them appropriately or applying aftermarket tunes such as Bren tunes to them while removing restrictions in the lower gears to boost power significantly. Then they go pop and the owners complain that it's BMW's fault. Calimoto was keen to show videos of him thrashing his bike from new, taking it to the track, tuning it, and generally abusing it (in many people's eyes) before it had even been broken in. I know several people who own M-R/RR's and track day them. One of them is even a professional motorcycle racer. None of them have had any problem with their bikes' reliability, which speaks volumes for the ways in which they treated their bikes and how BMW has engineered them. It sounds like your engine fault was probably a fairly isolated case Max (like Chris) and should have been covered under warranty in lieu of the warning message at just 9 miles. It did say you could continue your journey, so had it been delivered to a BMW dealer with say twice that mileage on it, before teardown, I dare say BWW would have been happier to warranty the engine?
You guys are definitely not drama queens, you guys work hard for these beautiful machines and you can tell you’ve gone the extra mile trying to proof with facts and evidence that this wasn’t your wrong doing. It’s a shame a company like BMW will not own up to their standards. BMW out of my list now. They still got one last chance to make it right let’s see what those reports say. Thank you for posting this video Manny!!
I had my engine blow on my 2020 S1k at 5,800 miles. All recalls and maintenance done by dealer after 3 years and 2 months. Meaning the warranty was out when it happened. So I’m out of a bike that should have had plenty of life left.
Somewhere at Mottorad HQ engineering dept in Munich, Hans is sitting at his desk ,sipping on filter coffee while watching this video and thinking.. Oh shit ! i probably should have triple checked the rod cap bolt torque settings before signing off to the engine assembly guys. What is it about rod bearings that they cant get right , even in their road cars, e46m3 , e90m3 , e60 m5, F10m5 all had higher than avg rod bearing failures and now their top of the range super sports bike
I can't speak to the bikes. But, on the cars, BMW decided that they would put rod bearings in that only lasted through the warranty/1st owner, in order to make more money. They literally only put enough wear material on the bearings to last 40,000mi ish. Clevite makes bearings for most of the cars that have the issue, that will last a "Normal" amount of time. Luckily BMW was kind enough to build the vehicles, in most cases, so that the bearings can be replaced without pulling the engine... But, yeah, terrible idea...
Im sorry but it should have gone immediately to the dealer after the warning. To then ignore the error and dyno and tune the bike was just ridiculous. If BMW did the first service they probably would have spotted it didnt sound right! Im sorry just heard where you said it was overreved with the limiter removed. There you go absolutely aggree with BMW decision sorry
I worked for a BMW dealership in Malaysia for 12years, what Manny went thru is exactly same situation here in Malaysia for warranty claim, 1- yes BMW hire 3rd party as call center & yes they don't know 💩, 2- their warranty claim department personnel lack of technical know how hence u need to go thru hell to get their technical department to work with their warranty claim department which is what they want because then they could reject as many warranty claims as they could, 3- yes, not all dealership have good mechanics that know what they're doing & handle customers cars or bikes with care & respect, sad that this happens
I've owned lots of bikes and it's an accepted standard; you modify an engine with any non factory parts or re-maps you void the warranty. Wouldn't be surprised if it says that in the manual. Even if it had no effect on what happened you smoked your warranty.
Sills in Cleveland is legendary! I found old paperwork from them in my grandpas barn from the 1960s. Happy that they are still around and known by people around the country
Mani, Paul at Blais is Awesome! Sorry to hear about your experience with BMW. It amazes me that they would treat their customers as they have you. I have a feeling that they are going to lose a lot more than what it would have cost them to fix your bike. They are not very smart are they! I've had a few bad experiences with a couple of Motorcycle dealers in our SE FL Area. Nothing to do with warranty, just sub par service work.
I can completely understand about not wanting to take the bike to your local dealer. My dealer here in Charleston sells Honda,BMW and Ducati. I took my new Panigale V4 for its first service and they could not put the fairing back on properly. It makes me wonder if they even have a factory trained mechanic on duty. I did fill out a survey sent to me from Ducati of North America and they called me to talk about the service. Hopefully they have talked to the dealer, but I still don't trust the local dealer. Oh and you are right about Warranty programs. Im very familiar with the Warranty process and it seems they did farm it out ti a third party, Manufactures use a web portal for the dealer to enter the information into and it is answered by sometimes a person who has no idea how something works. They just look for key words to deny the claim.
Truly saddening to see comments like this, because we all know the industry has a big problem and big dis-efficiencies, while these bikes are now easily costing more than a brand new Toyota Corolla which to most of us is a very good car.
@@alexanderbrown8276 yes I am. it doesn't seem like they can keep a salesman and the ones they do get seem to know little about the bikes they sell. They are just about selling a bike and making a number. Not motorcyclist enthusiast at all. I want a dealer like Ducati of Tampa Bay!
Donaldson BMW in St Louis was pretty awesome. They repaired my K1200R TWICE for free out of warranty, on a salvaged titled bike no less. And while I was waiting I mentioned the new S1000RR looked neat; they threw me the keys and said I should take it for a test ride. I didn't because that's not my style of bike.
I work for a Kawasaki dealership as a technician and ironically had an almost identical failure on a 2023 zx636 with 7000 miles on it. Disassembled the engine and found #2 rod bearing had come apart and the resulting material coming off the bearing and damaging the cases, crank, head, pistons, and cams, but despite all that Kawasaki warranted everything. Only difference is they don’t sell engines assemblies so us techs have to rebuild them ourselves.
In 2006 I bought a brand new ZZR600 and 178 miles later it was in the dealers workshop in component pieces! Kawasaki warranted everything and were so apologetic to me.I ended up getting a full refund from the dealers but Kawasaki were brilliant with their customer service.
I’ve been working for a Kawasaki dealer as a tech for about 3 years now and I have to say their warranty is very impressive, they stand behind their product and they have warrantied many parts for me that probably failed due to customer error but they still approved the replacement anyway. I was skeptical of them warrantying this 636 engine because it would need new cases, crank, head, etc etc. almost 10k worth of parts and they covered everything for the customer and payed me good labor to disassemble and rebuild it for the customer so all around I think personally think Kawasaki is pretty dam good.
I only had a small warranty claim on my 2017 Versys 650 nearly by the end of the 2 year warranty period (bought it brand new, everything was perfect). It was a front sprocket seal that was leaking very small amounts of oil, just enough to get the surrounding area moist. Was told to clean it off with brake cleaner (to make sure it's not chain grease), ride it some more and report back. I cleaned it, rode it, took photos before & after, sent it to my dealership and Kawasaki honored the claim and sent the replacement seal (done the change at the next service, since leaking was almost negligible). No problems since and I've been extremely happy with the quality and reliability of Kawasaki. Not to mention I love that bike to death. 😁
Ive got a 23' M1000r with 2,500 miles now. No issues... but i broke in the engine correctly and the bike is stock. I track the bike regularly and reach 14k rpm regularly.
You removed the rev limiter because you don't believe in rev limiters 😅 then act all shocked and aggrieved because BMW says that voids the warranty (duh). 😂 Wow. The level of cluelessness demonstrated throughout this video is absolutely spectacular!
Man, so sad to see this...reading the comments seems like it's luck of the draw...I have 13k miles on my '21 S1000RR, about 3000 track miles alone. BT stage 2 since the initial service, and 0 issues over the last 3 years. Hope someone from BMW sees this and does the right thing.
So truly happy to hear comments like yours! At the end of the day, it is always great to hear good stories and know that some of us get to enjoy these machines as intended!
Moral of the story, don't waste your hard earned money on Euro junk. Buy Japanese, modify the way you want, abuse it if you like, have fun and enjoy years of trouble free riding.
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 Totally agree, I had a modified/tuned Kawasaki zx10r for 14 years that i beat on. In that 14 years it went through 2 batteries, 1 regulator, and 1 stator, thats it.
@@ComputerGeekOnTwoWheels Engineer's recommendation on European bikes are "do not modify at all" unless you want to buy $4-5k aCRAPović exhaust that sounds like stock because most Euro bike brands have contracts with aCRAP and they make a lot of money together. In reality those exhausts are worth 4× less than they charge for them. You can modify Japanese bikes whatever the hell you want it and they will refuse to break. BMW is junk and that's a fact. They copied GSX-R 1000 design on S1000RR except for reliability, that's "superior" German engineering😂😂
I appreciate him being honest about how he disabled the limiter early. Lesson here, don’t do anything to give a warrantee adjuster a reason to deny a claim.
According to the manual, first service is due between 350 to 700 miles. First service includes removing the break in limiter. We did it between this interval indicated in the manual.
I bought a brand new S1000RR. At about a 1000 miles, one day, while I was riding, noticed the front brake lost power as I was braking by a lot, mid-squeeze. I pulled over and got off of the bike, then noticed that one of the front calipers was just hanging, completely detached from the rotor. Luckily, BMW did cover everything including the front forged wheel, since it was damaged by hanging caliper. The question is, how was this bike put together? how was the quality inspection done?
If it was mine and it happened to me, I would consider it to be rider negligence. Really, a caliper fell all the way off, and it's banging on the wheel, and the rider doesn't know and grabs some front brake?
I'm really having a very hard season (18000km)with a KTM super adventure s (2022 model). Still, there've been so many repairs, dempener, oil cases, display, shift shaft, electronics failure. But seeing this video, somehow I'm actually thankful that yes. Ktm did take care about all these issues within warranty. Hell what a story. I'm sorry to hear all than pain and disappointment you had to deal. Still, all those bmw communications sound strange. At least directly here in Munich at some official bmw dealerships for over 5 yrs (bmw S1000R) I never had any issues with warrenty and the dealer taking care of them.
I'm sorry that happened, but honest question here: I didn't see you mentioning how you unlocked the rev limiter of the bike. By any chance did you flash it with BT? Or did you just took it out of the OEM "break-in" software limiter?
We did the first service following BMW's specs. Yes, we have the tools to do it, and we did it in house over here. Watch our videos. We are not hiding anything, Jacob.
@@Motomillion I’m not saying your hiding anything I’ve just not found clear answers to my question of what exactly did they tell you is the reason why you’re not being covered under warranty?? If it was over revved 250 rpm’s that’s probably all they needed. This was probably done on a downshift unless someone raised the rpm limit in the ecu the only other way is by downshifting into a lower gear at to high of speed. By the way I do fully agree this was a factory defect being I’ve watched so many bikes abused off the showroom floor without any issues. With that said you somehow voided your warranty and gave them a reason not to honor it. So how did this 250 RPM over rev happen?? and was this their only reason or did they have other reasons as well?? These are the questions your not being completely clear on their reason. You mentioned a couple of possible reasons but I would like to know their exact reasons.
The build quality on these things is really hit or miss. I have a 15 s1krr with 20k miles original engine and it’s been tracked and everything is fine. But a friend of mine had a 2016 s1000rr with 8k miles with a fresh engine from bmw and it ended up spinning a rod 1000 miles later and I had to rebuild the engine for him. Needless to say, when I took apart the engine I seen how they blatantly put silicone over an oil galley hole when I split the casings. Keep in mind this engine was warrantied new from bmw. Had to send the crankshaft to get machined and cleaned all the oil galleys.
Sorry to hear about the bike, Mani, but to be fair, I have seen many videos in which you claim you don't do the factory break-in and like to do your own method of break-in. I imagine BMW, Ducati, Aprilia etc. also see your videos and take that into account. It also seems like in most of your videos you are eager to get the bike on the dyno ASAP, whether it be for "content", or your own personal anticipation. You have to expect with the need for a hasty dyno run, or not breaking-in the bikes per factory specifications, things like this are bound to happen, and based on that, I can see a manufacturer not wanting to warranty a product. I am not trying to knock you as I enjoy your content, just trying to be fair.
Well, appreciate your comment. The break in is not "our own method", it is a method which has been discussed by engineers and engine builders. We have never had an issue with any other bike nor any other vehicle following those procedures, it is not smoke and mirrors either, the explanation makes all the sense when it comes down to real facts and science. I have owned well over couple dozen vehicles, and none of them have had an engine failure to this case, and all get broken in the same way. Furhtermore, we did not break in this engine the way we usually do since the factory break in limiter does not allow us to do so.
I hear you. I did not to mean to imply you have your "own method" of break-in procedure, or that it is "smoke and mirrors", just that it is generally a different procedure than the factory recommended one and that some manufacturers (in my experience) are just looking for a reason not to take accountability for a defective product, and not following their recommended break-in procedure to a tee (and video taping it) is just inviting them to make excuses for not wanting to warranty a defective product imho. The way I see it, if you (or anyone else) bought the bike, you (or anyone else) can do whatever you want with it, but I also can see why they may not want to warranty it as well based off that alone. @@Motomillion
There are literally 1000s of these bikes on the roads with ZERO problems. Common sense owners do the proper break in period. During the break in period, all the moving parts are 'settling in' with each other. This creates material debris in the engine, which thickens the oil. Thick oil and high rpms will destroy any engine, since the oil cannot flow properly. No harm if the engine is kept at low RPMs and the oil changed within 500ish miles, which removes all the debris. After that, the new oil stays clean, no more debris, and hence the engine can now operate as intended.
Just because some turned out faulty, doesn’t mean that every bmw bike is not worth getting. I have a 2020 s1krr and the thing just works. Nothing was ever wrong with it (and i hope it stays that way😅)
@@darrellpatenaude3825it’s not just BMW. I got a new KTM 390 Adv. Fork seals blew 4 times in 7k km, road use only after first blown set. They refused warranty claim. Only after endless arguments threatening to sue they decided to pay back repairs. Only after replacing 4 blown fork seal sets in less than 1 week apart eachother they finally agreed to have the fork replaced.
Blows my mind they wouldn't have got that covered under warranty for you guys...sorry to hear that man. I have a feeling you are going to be hearing from BMW shortly regarding this video and the issue overall.
We could only wish they would do us right. I mean that is not the purpose of this video, we are not begging for anything, but it would be a great story for them as well to step up!
Thank you. The comment section is littered with owners comments and some are previous owners at this point. Let us know when you are around Miami next time!
100 bucks says he followed break in procedure and made no modifications on new engine and everything is fine. Good lesson to be learned here for millennials and Gen-Z: You never modify engine, electronics or drivetrain until well into the life of a new vehicle or better yet, after warranty expires. Be patient with mods. Always do initial services through dealership as well, and if you cant afford to do that, you cant afford the vehicle. Create a situation where dealership excuses to avoid honoring warranty are eliminated.
The warranty on this bike is 3 years....NO ONE who owns this bike is going to wait 3 years to get full throttle in 2nd gear....BMW needs to re-evaluate its 50-60 hp deficit in the midrange if they are going to void all warranty. If it happens to mine I am hiring a lawyer without a doubt....as its on the manufacturer to PROVE my mod caused the failure. Harley Davidson got POUNDED for arbitrarily denying warranty claims due to mods when there was ZERO correlation.
Knowing performance engines and having torn multiple down from failures, taking measurements, this 100% sounds like bad assembly. BMW may be losing a customer permanently for pulling this. It’s why I sold my M3 and went with Japanese cars.
I had bought a brand new 2020 Aprilia RSV4 RR and I was told by the dealer, if I so much take the canister off to put a slip-on on my bike, I could void the warranty if something goes wrong. Manufactures are becoming strict with their products because they are tired of having to take the costs of replacing anything that goes wrong with the bikes.
Look up Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I don’t doubt that they’d try to refuse warranty repairs on bikes with slip-ons and good luck winning that case in court, but technically TL;DR a dealership has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any modifications performed were a direct cause of any engine or drivetrain failures. YMMV, FA=>FO etc but the intent was to prevent companies and dealers selling stuff with useless warranties that they could void if you used aftermarket gasoline or tires.
I listened your whole vid! Once again these people are not breaking in the bikes! You are correct that their MIGHT BE AN ISSUE! Toprak’s bike is not stock!!! Pushing hp to keep up with desmo and a v4 are biting them (bmw). I am positive every bike popped where not broke in properly! Idiots should not buy high end bikes! They are too tightly specked out for mechanically ignorant people!
I am no expert in litigation, and not even in engines. From my point of view, it sounds like the engine probably had a problem from the get-go BUT you also didn’t adhere to the break in procedure stated. In that case, you have given them a way to bow out of coverage. It sucks, for sure, and you are right about it being sad considering to purchase price. Unfortunately, I think they have the right to refuse coverage. Let this be a lesson to all of us out there people, don’t be too quick to mess around with your bikes. Even if the failure is not your fault, you’re putting yourself at risk of expensive repairs in case something like this scenario happens.
I had 2 engine failures on bmw s1000rr k67 and when i started having issues again bjw refused warranty repair.I sold the bike and went for Yamaha.No issues
@@Motomillion i am not happy with how bmw is dealing with issues.Actually I managed to have access to my case and I was shocked with their internal emails.I will never buy another bmw again.I hope you will get reimbrused with the costs on the engine as it clearly manufacturer fault.
The local BMW near me removed the "break in" rev limiter on my 22 s100rr at 504 miles. In the coding from bmw the min milage limit is about 300miles before it will let you remove it. If that was the issue then why code it to be able to remove before 600 miles? A friend of ours also had a 22 that had cam angle sensors fail multiple times, nothing done to the bike, completely stock and bmw kept replacing them until the motor let go, then gave him a hard time about replacing the engine, then they finally replaced it and he traded it in for a 23 but had to eat the cost difference.
Yup, and it is also in their owners manual. The manual indicates first service / break in service is due between 350 to 700 miles. We did it within that period.
@@MotomillionI may not agree with BMW, but I still understand. You guys are not certified to do so by BMW (even if you actually know what you’re doing, and I believe you do) so, even sticking to the guidelines, your forked up :/ They may (plausible deniability) disassemble the engine when removing the limiter, as to check tolerances/assembly. But that’s PURE speculation. I’m a Honda fan, so, mine will run forever :D
@@bailey9rI stated in another comment, in EU it’s simple: if your certified by BMW then it’s their responsibility. If you’re not, then it’s your responsibility. The thing is, you remove something by software that they don’t have registry, so, they know it wasn’t made by a certified shop, therefore they (again, not that I agree) wash their hands… the thing that I don’t understand is “warranty not voided, but still not gonna fix/replace”.
Car /Bikes manufacturers CEO's live in the old world and don't understand the potential damage from social networks and not the opportunities. Instead of investing in traditional branding R&D departments and PR, it is better for them to invest in satisfied customers or at least prevent the situation of angry customers.
i would have done the 600 mile gentle break in on the first day on this bike , how hard would that be ? I mean he did 40 hr round trip twice for the bike lol .
That's because he's probably a weekend motorcyclist, not used to actually going anywhere far with his bikes. He just uses them as toys to go fast and get his adrenaline rush. I mean, that's fine as there are many different types of motorcyclists and they all have a place under the sun, but it's not an excuse for failing to properly break-in the bike and not mess with the rev limiter... no matter how annoying you think it is or how limited you are on free time to be able to do it.
Lots of comments here. We'll leave this last comment from us:
I understand that many of you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end.
CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty.
Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
Carwow's STOCK M1000RR blew up on the drag strip. (Don't know the result of their situation)
Anonymous BMW employees have reached out letting us know of their shady practices, and of an on-going engine recall which is hush-hush.
Read the comments here from so many other people with issues with their BMW. We're bringing to light an issue within the industry that needs to be addressed.
We have the means to buy a new engine. What about another person without the resources?
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Faulty engine assembly or faulty bearings... And the warranty was denied. What do you guys think? We would love to know 👇
But we're working on getting a new bike, so stay tuned!
That’s the reason they didn’t release the s1000rr I had ordered I heard they were having issues with the 24 engines.
Wow! We've also heard of many more engine failures from customers and friends
Where did you hear of the engine issues?
Sad BMW has come to this,never will own another one myself n definitely would have sold it too after all that bullshit !!! ABSOLUTELY NO WAY ITS YOUR FAULT !!!!
@@Motomillion I can’t recall exactly, i think it was through my dealer the sales manager. I had ordered my bike last august and had to readjust because it wasn’t coming anytime soon. It was a stop sale. They never expressed why I believe but he heard it through his connections.
I ended up with a 24 ducati v4. I had an Aprilia rsv4 and was nervous about Italian products. My new limited broke down constantly from the start. Aprilia bought the bike back with only 300 miles last July.
No heat in the bearing or rod end means faulty bearing material. I’m sad for you, I really am.
My nephew is a BMW technician in a reputable BMW Dealer and he told me that last year they got 17 engine failures similar to your video . I feel your pain brother .
Such a shame.
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I hear bmw have the most recalls but it needs to take into account they have most sales & allegedly good recall warranty work.
These bikes are lemons.
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My Ducati Diavel 1260s burnt oil for 2 years... full compliment in 3000kms. Then it ate a valve. Duacti replaced under warranty. The head of Ducati in my country stated "we want people to ride motorcycles" - 3 weeks later there was a new engine. It took a bit of work to get there, but they knew it was their responsibility. Sad not all companies put customers first.
I believe the '08 through '11 CBR 1000rr were known to burn a quart of oil between oil changes. Honda claimed it was normal, and end the end of the day engine failures were super rare on that model.
@@taylorhickman84 This was 2019 model... and ultimately the issue lead to the catastrophic failure of the engine. The point is modern motorcycles should be more reliable... due to the price paid.
they are pushing more and more power cant be reliable though. as i said before s1000rr is cheap copy of GSX-R engine thats being in development for 50 plus years now. I will always have japanese bikes. All four kings from sunrising east. You can stick turbo they go thousand and thousand of miles. Europe cant build as Japan does ppl dont know that hence buying this types of bikes. three four in head@@cameronmale83
Thats extremely cool similar thing happend to my friend with his Aprilia
but you didnt take it on a dyno and a 400 mile ride with an engine warning light and some dude telling you pdi hasnt been done. Because thats what he did and stated in this video. Thats why he wont get it warrenty. Its not BMW's responsibility anymore when he does that
So sorry to hear about this, you look crestfallen, I had a GSXR 1000 engine fail a few years ago (300 miles old from new!), took it back to the shop i purchased it from, after inspection (the next day) they got 2 technicians from Suzuki UK to come up (in day 3) and they diagnosed there was a problem with the engine, they already had a replacement engine just in case with them in the van, and replaced the engine the same day ( day 3), I also got a letter of conformity for the new engine from Suzuki, and one apologizing for the failure. Now this happened to me in the UK, I would have thought you would have least been given some compassion in what is BMWs flagship motorcycle, SHAME ON THEM!!!.
You see, your experience with Suzuki win's your business for a long time. It even makes us happy to hear stories like this and makes us consider such brand names too!
Thanks Mani, I hope you get some resolution from BMW to this ongoing issue!.@@Motomillion
This is why you buy Japanese, all about reputation for them
I've just started a job as a Steam Turbine Engineer. I would have saved up my hard earned money and purchased an S1000RR or M1000RR simply because of how fast they are. But after this video. I'm not wasting my money for a bike that might get me 1,000km before going bang. Last year I purchased a bmw 318d and got scammed too, purchased a bmw a decade ago and ALSO got scammed.
I think once I save my cash in a few years, I will just go with suzuki or Honda for reliability.
I've owned my suzuki bandit for the past 5 years and it's never let me down once.
Pardon my ignorance, but don't you have to do the 1000km run-in and service before going full throttle...
so you removed the break-in limiter, went to put an aftermarket dyno tune on it, redlined the engine within the advised break-in period, and blew the engine up?
I understand that you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end.
CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty.
Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
Carwow's STOCK M1000RR blew up on the drag strip.
Read the comments here from so many other people with issues with their BMW. We're just bringing to light an issue within the industry.
@@Motomillion Cry harder. You messed up and you know it.
It says right in the American manual, no full throttle until after 621 miles and nothing over 9000 rpm......even if the engines are having problems, I'm not following any other procedure other than what the manual tells me on my $40K motorcycle. Not following the manual, then blowing up the engine, gives BMW a clear out. I don't have any sympathy for 'motomillion".
@@nickb3968Defending a corporation that has a known problem with those engines is crazy lol
@@tricktop9064 Is there anything in what I wrote that is untrue?
Had a BMW S1000RR 2020 M-packge.
Nothing but problems on my side, I sold it and bought a Yamaha R1 2024.
Things I changed on warranty:
-handle bars rubber
-left mirror
-front forks
-front calipers
-cam chain tensioner twice
-oil pump
-oil cooler (radiator)
-airboxintake silencer air filter box housing
-rear braking line and abs electric wire was touching the exhaust and popping ABS failure
-lots of condensation build in the exhaust cat and popping check engine failure
I got so dissponinted with that bike, I was so scared that one day that engine will blow up and die on that bike. I can sleep better now as I got rid of it. NEVER ever going back to a BMW or looking at them.
The R1 sounds the best of all liter bikes! Congrats on the 2024!
Dang, see I wanted to do a wrecked build series with a s1000rr, I don't think I do anymore hearing of issues like this because there isn't a warranty on those...
wow, that insane! I almost bought a non m s1000rr recently but picked up a ZX10r because it was so much cheaper and Kawi's history of reliability. My first ZX10r I put 55k miles on and it never once had any problems.
The newer ones are the problem.
15-18s are really great.
09-14s are okay.
@@Motomillionr1 and ducati sound the best at a idle and low rev but, when you get into mid and top speed and high revs, bmw wins in the sound division.
My local dealer has several 2024 S1000RR and M1000R's in stock. I was tempted to purchase but your video popped up and now that I have seen these major issues I have decided that I will stick with Japanese motorcycles. Thank you for getting this out for the consumer. $20-$40K for a motorycle is way too much money to have to deal with these major difficulties.
Lots of great Japanese alternatives now a days too!
"22 Mt09 SP 25k Km hasn't missed a beat.
Same
I have had absolutely zero issues with mine and most other people have had zero issues, it's a pleasure to drive
Stay with dirtbikes
If I spent that kind of money on a specialized motorcycle, I would respect it enough to wait the 600mile break period at LEAST like common guys.
especially the other guy, put a tune on it, took limiter off, and took it to track all before initial break in service lol
Absolutely! That's what I don't get, like am I missing something?
I think this video should be revised to “We messed up and needed to spend $15k+ to replace the engine”.
someone didnt watch the part where they are replacing engines with the same modifications and doing a hush engine recall...
nah nvm i just got to the party where they didnt even pass the break in period before they loaded it with engine mods... you right
I've had to Void warranties on blown up engines because of BrenTune ecu mods.....
I am a French biker. I had a 2019 s1000r. I had no problems with it. I currently have a K67 s1000rr and have had no problems with it either. Despite this, I understand being disappointed by a negative response without any verification from the dealer. We have vehicles that are relatively expensive and the feeling of having no empathy when we have a known problem with the vehicle can be very frustrating. Our luck is when 2024 BMW, like all other manufacturers, is very careful about their reputation on social networks. And absolutely want to maintain a good image in order to make customers loyal. Good luck to you in your reimbursement process. RIDE SAFE / PEACE
Moral of the story is break in the motor before heavy mods and tuning and hard dyno pulls lol
doesnt explain the 9 mile engine issue
I had purchased my dream bike, the 2022 BMW M 1000RR in mid 2022. I got to enjoy around 5k miles before I experienced a catastrophic failure like you had with your M. I was on my way home from work when it happened. I didn't tune my bike like most owners of these machines do, mainly due to fear of warranty becoming void. After 3 months of waiting, BMW honored the warranty and sent a new engine for my dealer to install. Unfortunately the new engine experienced issues after the break-in period, dream bike experience wasn't as pleasant as I had hoped.
Wow, very sorry to hear about your difficulties with your M1000RR. Definitely something none of us want to go through
time to go to ducati or aprilia.. bmw is shit
Our dreams are usually better than our reality. ;
2024 Honda CBR1000RR-R Fireblade SP@@richardtavarez2614
What did they do about the second engine?
If something breaks during warranty, you go to a dealer! One morning my F900XR threw a yellow warning and went into limp mode. We didn't have a BMW Motorrad dealer in our city and they picked it up and dropped it back after fixing it. Was very happy with the service.
you lost me at 18:52 haha ... the break in rev limiter is part of the warranty whether you "believe" in it or not. like how hard is it to put 600 miles on the bike?
I put on 120 miles on my new bike the day I picked it up at the dealers, before the week was out it was due for its first service, this bloke had this bike over 7 months and only put on 400 miles, says he hasn't got the time to run it in but finds time in 7 months to do a pile of alterations on the bike, found time for no reason to DYNO it and rev the nuts off it, fucks the engine then finds 38 hours to drive it to his mates BMW mechanic hoping for preferential treatment, this plonker needs to get his priorities in order.
@bobp6742 😂 love this comment! and then proceeded to do a 35 minute session about it. guy could have went for a 2 hour ride and be halfway there with the milage
@@TwoTechnics76
He has a bike worth 40k that had only 9 miles on it and what does he do, takes a fucking angle grinder to it, he's not well in the head.
@@bobp6742 yeah I found it weird he took it all the way to Cleveland Ohio from South Florida, because he doesn't trust anyone else?? wtf? there's many certified BMW mechanics and shops in the state of Florida that work hard on these bikes and do great work... something doesn't add up about all that
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He knew he'd fucked up on the warranty and didn't have the means to buy a new engine.
He said his mate worked as a BMW mechanic in Ohio and he went there just hoping his so called mate would just say to BMW that it was a fault in the engine and he would get a free engine, but it didn't work out that way 🤣🤣
So now he's whining and crying how bad BMW customer service is. Am glad BMW stuck to their guns and told him to piss off. I bet they've watched his videos of him breaking the warranty, their not that stupid.
Thank you Manny for this public service.You have save me a lot of grief.That same local BMW dealer work on my 2011 s1k for some recall work and now my bike overheats and that never happen before.
Sorry to hear of your issues, we hope they make it right to you!
I have a 2023 M1000RR, I've been following your build very closely, and have done a lot of the mods you also have. Currently at 2100km problem free. I had a feeling something had gone wrong when you stopped uploads on this bike. I am so sorry to hear about this and how poorly it was handled. All of the points you made are clear and unbiased. I think this video will blow up, at which point you can expect a call from BMW. Wish you all the best.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy the bike to its full potential!
That's sad if they only deal / remedy the problem because of his platform. What about other enthusiast and owners that might have a problem and don't have his / a fanbase 😢😭
But do you ride with anxiety now with this in the back of your mind?
Shared this to my riding group page. We had one of our top riders have trouble with his BMW as well. Fast Lane D on YT has had a ton of problems with his. Will absolutely be spreading the word to all my fellow riders. Not a single BMW will be purchased over here. Appreciate the transparency and as always, great content 🫡 RideOTL
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Unfortunately, not the first nor the last BMW blown engine I've heard, seen about. Great video though going through it for us. Much appreciated! Not a negative press video but I'm not going near the S1000RR like I had planned this season. THANK YOU!
Thank you for the comment. Luckily there are many other great options out there today for us consumers!
Exactly how I feel now. Back to the drawing board
S1000RR engines are not built on the same line as the M1kRR. Not to trying to convince you to buy one just inform. I have almost 3.5k miles on mine with exhaust and flash. 0 issues so far.
@@BeginnerMoto They took my '23 rr from me, and they (BMW) claimed the heat treatment process on the rods failed.
@@jasonisdn was the work covered under warranty?
I have a 2024 BMW M1000RR and I really hope I don’t have these type of problems. Sounds like a headache and a half! Kudos to you and nothing but blessing on your future builds🙏🏽
Sell it before it's too late.
Can I ask why you did not return it on the first 9-mile warning?
Because society rewards inbreds acting inbred these days.
Yeah, I wondered that. It may have been a sensor that was trying to tell them something...🤷
Exactly. And just kept the engine running
Thank you so so much for the wonderful video. I wish everybody have had this experience well documented and tell other consumers how big companies like BMW will not stand and care and treat them like it should be, how was this much to purchase myfirst S1000rr but no way I will purchase another brand after I watch your video , Thank you for your honesty and thanks for everybody behind the scene
So...the bike sets a MAJOR engine warning and you leave it running as you walk around videoing it?
How would you locate the problem without running it on low rpms
@@stickitupyourastericyou dont. you take it to the dealer as soon as you get home.
Manufacturers appreciate having documented proof of ECU modifications through flashing. Once this is established, the warranty becomes void, as the manufacturer no longer has an obligation to cover any failures. This stance is understandable since the engine is not operating within the original factory limits and parameters.
Absolute nonsense as the engine is designed to run within the tolerances allowed by the manufacturer. Soon warranties won't mean anything anymore. This POS is meant to be a superbike, just ask Toprak how "he" blew up his motor.
I understand that you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end.
CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty.
Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
Your statement is NOT TRUE in the United States. Manufacturers need to PROVE that your modifications led to the defect. Sorry but NO TUNE is going to magically loosen up the bolts inside of the engine. If he sued them he would stand a VERY good chance of winning...the problem is that it would cost a significant amount and take a considerable amount of time to do this, which is exactly what the manufacturer is banking on...that it will be a larger hassle in the long run to drag them into court. Read up on Harley Davidsons issues with denying warranty, as htey had to send letters to EVERY PERSON who had a bike that had warranty on it, explaining that they could work on their bikes without fear of voiding their warranty and they had to pay a HUGE FINE over it as well. BMW simply doesnt have a large enough customer base that will unite against them in a court of law.
at the most flashing might affect motor mechanically but wont "void the warranty" as lots of things on a model are not affected by a flash ....duhhh
@@dougiequick1 BMW is never going to outright state that it voids your warranty as that would significantly affect sales....they just simply deny your claim saying you ran a non approved tune...you can try to fight them but you better have deep pockets, as I have been there...
Really sorry to hear this. Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve owned a few Yamahas and Ducatis over the years and have always had good customer service from either brand. Was actually looking at either an S1000RR or the M this summer, but after watching this I really can’t see myself supporting a brand like BMW. It’s not even about the bikes anymore, I know shit happens sometimes with all brands and manufacturing issues can occur. What I cannot support is both the lack of empathy from customer service and the manufacturer and just the overall negligence to investigate the root issue of this particular engine. I hope BMW takes a hard look at this video and all the comments and ends up doing the right thing and reimburses yourself and your company for the engine and labour. Best of luck.
I have owned numerous new BMW motorcycles over the years. They were once known for reliability and *excellent* customer service.
My last GS had a fuel system recall. About a year later, the part they recalled failed and it started leaking fuel. The dealer reached out to BMW to get it replaced and to the dealers surprise they refused. I called their customer service (now the same as their automobile line) and was told they wouldn’t replace the failed part they put on my bike under their own recall. I got ahold of a manager and explained I was a loyal customer having purchased numerous new BMW bikes. He offered to give a tiny discount off of the retail price of the $800+ part.
I will never own another BMW product.
Seriously? Can't believe it!!! What whores from BMW
You need a Honda or Kawa in your life, they would not break in first place :D
@@elcookiemonsteru I own a lot of bikes, and have owned several Honda’s Yamaha’s and Kawasaki’s. I currently own a couple of old Honda’s. Those bikes certainly tend to be reliable. Unfortunately, there aren’t many models in those brands I like a lot at the moment.
This might surprise you, but I’ve had zero problems with my old AND new Guzzi’s. Probably the most reliable bikes I’ve owned. They are a lot like the old BMW’s, very simple and reliable. Guzzi’s parent company, Piaggio also owns Aprilia. I’d consider a RSV4, but it needs an updating.
Didn´t the S1000 models have a required run in time of about 1000 miles where the power was limited, and only afer that they could be used with full power??
Not so sure if hitting the dyno at a little more than 400 miles was the best idea then....
I guess he wanted to skip the run in by modding the ecu and the engine just died.
I thought it was 600 miles. And, they put a tune on it prior. Sounds like they voided warranty.
Revenge the engine on the dynowoyld be the best thing for the engine so it has a load on it BMW stupid for not fixing this under warranty this has already cost BMW more that the fix in bad press I was looking at one of these motorcycles now I would never buy A BMW anything
CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty.
Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
Carwow's stock BMW M1000RR also blew up on the drag strip.
BMW is having major engine issues on these new engines.
They nerf it to 8 or 9k RPMs until first service. Felt like an eternity on my S1000RR. As soon as first service was done and I took it to 13k, I had the biggest boner. lol
I appreciate the transparency. I think you were more than reasonable. I was given the opportunity to buy an M 1000 R but I passed. Now I'm thankful I did. I can't risk dealing with a company that won't stand behind its (very expensive) product.
I am sure you have no remorse on passing on the opportunity to own it now! Thank you for your comment!
I have also suffered a catastrophic failure with 2 BMWs I have owned. There will not be a third.
Were they covered under warranty?
No, they ignored me. One had an ECU issue, my wife's caught fire while I was on it. Mine was still supposed to be in warranty but my wife's was 2 years out of it. @@Motomillion
We had an auto gearbox failure on a bmw 420 convertible. It was 39 months old and 47000mile. The uk warranty is 36months. BMW refused to contribute. £13000 later we sold the car. This was my wife’s 4th. BMW. She now dosnt have a bmw and we will never buy another.
Wow thats tremendous misconduct on the company side if we can be real. Safety issue can be a legal suit possible or...? IDK
Enginerrering has turned into planned obsolescence.
So im watching this because i was 2 weeks away from buying a M1000 but after seeing this and reading some of to comments about failures there is no way im going to risk this especially as i work 6 days a week and have no time to have to go through what you went through so Ducati SP2 here we come. Thank for this video it really helped.
If this happened to me, id be absolutely livid. You handled it way better than i would.
Don't get me wrong, I am livid. But need to keep calm and carry on.
I saw an engine failure on the new M1000RR last year in a track day.
I'm taking delivery of a new S1000RR tomorrow switching from my R1.
Wish I didn't see this video now haha.
This was just our experience. We have seen plenty of people with S1000RR and no issues!
Congratulations 🎊 hope you enjoy the bike you deserve it … you worked hard for it I’m sure 👍 enjoy it stay safe !!!!
😂 I was torn between both last summer and I got the last R1 in florida. So far i'm happy
what...? why would get a bmw over a r1. well just dont void the warranty and enjoy it but maybe consider selling it when the warranty runs out. those beamers always have major issues, stick with japanese
I agree, my friends have had lits of issues with theirs and they aound funny before warming up. Face it, its not the bike it used to be. kawasaki ftw @philb8344
What’s mind boggling is the fact that they told you that the bike is still under warranty
What good is that after this experience
Exactly. What good is BMW's warranty? No faith in their word anymore
Thankyou ! Your 1000% have the right to do this video and know we know stayaway from BMW ! Thankyou again we work hard for our money and this will destroy someone less fortunate.
At the end of the day, a company is only as good as they treat their customers. It's absolutely insane that they didn't cover a repair on a BRAND NEW bike! Great video by the way. Nothing nasty, just facts.
Thank you! We try to keep it as professional as possible.
Get real.......you guys are delusional to think a company would cover the warranty.
Zey're djust fahllowink ohrders.
A "brand new" bike that the owner abused, and modified ,with non-OEM parts, and changed the ECU mapping, and abused more; while in its initial break in period. Nothing on BMW. They blew the engine through their negligence, and BMW has every right to refuse to repair it under warranty.
I appreciate you telling us your experience with the BMW manufacturer and myself own a 1000RR HP 20 miles on it never road it parked in my garage from 2014 beautiful bike. I don’t think those bikes had that much problems as they do now but knowing your experience with Bmw, I am probably going to never purchase one again and stay with DUCATI. I was a Yamaha boy for many years and I think Yamaha makes an excellent product. Too bad they are going to discontinue the R1 but that’s another story. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with them, but thank God for people like you that actually bring this to light
Wow, thank you so much for sharing this info. You just saved me $40k! I kept on hearing about various major issues with the M1000rr over the grapevine- but I didn't want to believe it. The bike is gorgeous, but a potentially shotty engine with poor customer service is not what I want to spend my hard-earned cash on. So sorry you had to go thru this.
The customer service is the most glaring issue!
Your passion, commitment, and pride in your work and demanding high standards is to be commended.
Maybe they saw this dyno run online like we all did. A jury would laugh you out of the courthouse.
Well they wouldn't, would they, because they wouldn't be there. Would they?
I understand that you don't know the full story and didn't watch to the end.
CaliMotoTV's BMW M1000R blew up on the track. That bike had a full exhaust and an ECU flash. BMW fully replaced the engine under warranty.
Why was Bill's replaced even though modification were present?
@@Motomillion Excellent point and Bill was on the track giving it the beans. Completely different scenario with your M1000rr which was babied from the day you got it. As consumers we want to know that these “performance bikes” can withstand what they’re supposedly built for. Chris Northover from bike world had an engine go bang on the M1000rr he was testing on Carwow and that was completely stock + he’s a professional rider. I bet there are so many other cases of private owners having their 35K machines going bang that haven’t come to light because they don’t have a following. Time will tell…
Yeah.. but to see the play in that rod... the only thing you can do is get a few experts .. try to win a jury decision.. but your spending a fortune on attorney fees .. But agree why are you dyno tuning a brand new engine during break in period .the warranty says blah blah blah.. it's a dam shame though.. This is why dyno tuning always terrified me when I had my bikes done...
It is known that BMW m1000RR Engines have Problems with high Oil cusumtion weak Pistonrings or wrong or to loose the Assembely is in Italy
@@Motomillion
Wow that sucks, ive booked a 2023 M1000RR which cost $50grand here in Canada, just saw this within time. Thank you for this video, as i should start thinking about Ninja H2
There are other options for superbikes. Kawasaki makes some really nice ones too!
If you have the money to get a M1000RR maybe look at the Ducati V4R
If you want inline 4 get a zx10rr or a Honda fireblade which is the best superstock you can buy.
Lol, should have went for the h2 immidiately. I got h2, thought about getting the m1k as well but tbh i cant justify spending 45k on a bike without a supercharger
@@Flakapief
Lol next you'll be saying "I can't justify spending $70k on a bike without an impulse plasma engine and a gravity phantom drive for them extra long interstellar hops". 🤣
19hrs drive, that's dedication. Wouldn't drive this long to my own wedding.
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Me either ...LOL . BMW has serious issue on the factory floor if these M1000RR are going sideways.. these are built to RACE WIN RACES above all else... not tooling around town..
Good thing you won't have to, considering 50% (or something like that, and rising) of men under 30 say they will not get married in the US. lol
That “tuner” is redlining the engine with no load on it. You couldn’t F it up more if you tried.
What do you mean no load... it was on a dyno????
@@Ultra54able It can be on a dyno AND in neutral, though ;)
@@CyberChrist
It wasn't in neutral.
@@Bnslamb But it could've been.
He was checking the horsepower and torque, you need to be in gear to do that. Nobody is going to redline their bike in neutral while on a dyno.@@CyberChrist
It’s crazy how even after you told them about your company Motomillion they still refused warranty. Imagine how they would treat a regular customer without a fan base on the internet. Best of luck with the sale.
Thank you! At least this gives us an opportunity to have another bike in our fleet!
@@Motomillionso when are you guys building up a Honda RRR?
As soon as we can get our hands on one! Waiting for that 2024 model to be released!
Most apparently you wouldn’t get anywhere at all especially like you said if they gave Mani “Motomillion” a hard time !!! 😔🤦🏻♂️
He removed the break-in rev limiter. It was not wise to do that and I don't think his company has any importance in this claim with BMW
As a retired engineer who worked in REPCO NZ ( who produced engine parts including bearing shells) I would say straight off it was a duff bearing. Engines are very simple, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to analyse the type of material/s in the oil and where they have come from, everything you highlighted was correct , simply the bearing got through "QC" fitted and broke down from there. Shame on BMW..
Just because someone else's engine that was modified and was replaced doesnt give you guys the right to demand the same. Sure this is unequal treatment but bmv shouldn't have replaced CaliMotoTV's engine in the first place.
Modifying the ECU instantly exempts the engines from warranty. This is a know fact and is written in the warranty agreement. It is standard for every engine manufacturer that warranty only cover unmodified engine. Pointing fingers at another case doesnt help your situation here. Ignoring the break in and revving the shit out of the engine certainly doesnt help either.
I worked as a KTM engine tech for 4 years. Even "lower" RPM KTM engines showed clearly visible differences in wear on rod bearings on stock engines when not broken-in correctly and exposed to high load. Ignoring break-in periods because you cant be bothered is not a good look for you or something a serious shop should be doing, ESPECIALLY when the break-in in question is on an engine that revs over 15k rpm. Also overrevving "by only 250 rpm" is definitely not a nothing burger, again EXPECIALLY because at this point you were supposed to not rev higher than 7k or 9k rpm. 15,350 rpm is far from that.
When you bought this motorcycle YOU agreed to play by their rules, YOU agreed to all warranty conditions.
This certainly is not a good look for BMW anyways but blaiming them for not covering the engine warranty that you voided is just not right
Yep
Oh yes, the real bmw ownership experience. Premium pricetag, chinesium parts, HateKustomers attitude. I am so glad of not being a bmw owner anymore.
We may be a part of the same club. Used to be BMW owners.
Is that a Heckler and Koch reference?
Not gonna lie that was really hard to hear that bmw treated you such a respected person and name in the business of sport bikes that alone was a bad move on BMWs part my self I own 3 e60 M5s and spent more than 80k in the past two years at BMW Ducati SOSO CYCLES in Fife WA on a 2022 s1000rr as well after I killed my s1000rr a 2023 M1000rr just last week when I had them put some new Q4s on when I got home all of but 4 miles a way I noticed a new big scratch on the carbon fiber Wheels when I brought it up to them they just acted like I was lying it was extremely hard to keep my cool so even tho not your intention with your video but I seriously don't think I can be a customer/fan of BMW knowing that they treated you like you were negligent at 9 miles I can only imagine what they would say to Me if I ever tried to make an insurance claim when they put the scan on My bike that's gonna read been over 190mph 100x lol well any one in the market for a 2023 M1000rr or some e60 M5 because there going up for sale in support of MOTOMILLION lol
Thank you for sharing this, I will not buy a BMW now. I hate that for you guys.
Seems to be part of the course for most "medium grade luxury" brands...
I wish more people
With these bikes came forward and addressed their problems they’ve had with their S1000.
They are coming out in this comment section!
Problem is people refuse to admit their 20,30,40K+ purchase is a dud. Coping is real unless it’s a review unit. The H2 line had oil in the intake issues and forum users are quick to blame the user and not defect Kawasaki has known since its inception. Warranty on power sports in the U.S is another gripe I have.. an absolute joke.
@@HKvsGlock it's irrelevant but i just want to say Glock all day.. HK is against citizens owning firearms. Couldn't give me one.😂
@@kdcustoms1272 what’s irrelevant?
Glocks are a staple/pioneer but boy do I wish they would add more modern touches. Needing a plate to use an rmr is dumb(not milling).
Sorry about the issue with your M 1000 RR 😭
At least I got to see you and drive that mighty "Zed" oh 6!
ib in the house!
Ib knows about bmw engine problems.
I just turned 24 and I’m about to pull the trigger on buying my dream bike. It was between the bmw s1000rr and the Ducati v4. This isn’t the first time I heard about BMW mistreating their customers. I now made my decision to NOT buy a BMW. Thanks manny
I hope this video hits a million people in a week. Here I was teetering between a duc or a bmw.. customer service is everything.
I'll never own another Ducati again. You've been warned.
So... You're stressing the motorcycle on the dyno and are surprised it blew up and it's not covered by warranty ? New motorcycle, not even after break-in... Really? Oh, and legal matters, like removing this rev limiter, ARE important.
You can remove the limiter during first service at 350miles
@@TrickRacingBut is it wise ? 350 miles is not much break-in. I'd say 600 miles minimum.
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Same at my local dealer. I was shocked to see these bikes on the floor already with no orders or waiting customers. I wanted one so badly but have decided to hold off for now. thanks for sharing your experience with us
You need to sue BMW...their claiming that removing the break in rev limiter prior to 600 miles is silly because their manual says removing it between 350-600 miles with first oil change. It won't be worth it to hire an attorney, but in FL you can sue for $8K in FL and at least get some of your money back. Good on you for posting the video...
Thanks for putting this video out. I wanted the bmw M1000RR but not anymore. I’ll go back to Ducati
Wait for our follow up after having our bearing analyzed
Or Japanese
When you spend that much money we all want great service from the local dealer and manufacturer. That should be part of the incentives we get buying these bikes. Crazy!
Need to have a check list now, before we commit to such bikes.
Start with not abusing the bike, by - 1) remapping ecu , (voids warranty) which they did. 2) - not installing non OEM performance engine parts (voids warranty) which they did. 3) testing or riding bike on a race track (voids warranty) which they did. You don't have anything to worry about, when you actually follow the very simple and clear manufacturer instructions.
BMW is clearly fed up with people buying RR's, putting full race systems on them, removing the running in rev restrictions, redlining the engine multiple times during the break-in period, servicing the bikes themselves, or using non-BMW official dealers, and then either failing to tune them appropriately or applying aftermarket tunes such as Bren tunes to them while removing restrictions in the lower gears to boost power significantly. Then they go pop and the owners complain that it's BMW's fault. Calimoto was keen to show videos of him thrashing his bike from new, taking it to the track, tuning it, and generally abusing it (in many people's eyes) before it had even been broken in. I know several people who own M-R/RR's and track day them. One of them is even a professional motorcycle racer. None of them have had any problem with their bikes' reliability, which speaks volumes for the ways in which they treated their bikes and how BMW has engineered them. It sounds like your engine fault was probably a fairly isolated case Max (like Chris) and should have been covered under warranty in lieu of the warning message at just 9 miles. It did say you could continue your journey, so had it been delivered to a BMW dealer with say twice that mileage on it, before teardown, I dare say BWW would have been happier to warranty the engine?
Who knows.
BMW are shite and disgusting to deal with
You guys are definitely not drama queens, you guys work hard for these beautiful machines and you can tell you’ve gone the extra mile trying to proof with facts and evidence that this wasn’t your wrong doing.
It’s a shame a company like BMW will not own up to their standards. BMW out of my list now. They still got one last chance to make it right let’s see what those reports say.
Thank you for posting this video Manny!!
I had my engine blow on my 2020 S1k at 5,800 miles. All recalls and maintenance done by dealer after 3 years and 2 months. Meaning the warranty was out when it happened. So I’m out of a bike that should have had plenty of life left.
Really sorry to hear this. Have you replaced the bike?
Never let anyone work on your bike do it yourself otherwise maybe done right maybe not.
Somewhere at Mottorad HQ engineering dept in Munich, Hans is sitting at his desk ,sipping on filter coffee while watching this video and thinking.. Oh shit ! i probably should have triple checked the rod cap bolt torque settings before signing off to the engine assembly guys. What is it about rod bearings that they cant get right , even in their road cars, e46m3 , e90m3 , e60 m5, F10m5 all had higher than avg rod bearing failures and now their top of the range super sports bike
I don't even think BMW will watch this, I mean if they do, I hope they reach out to us to make things right.
I can't speak to the bikes. But, on the cars, BMW decided that they would put rod bearings in that only lasted through the warranty/1st owner, in order to make more money. They literally only put enough wear material on the bearings to last 40,000mi ish.
Clevite makes bearings for most of the cars that have the issue, that will last a "Normal" amount of time. Luckily BMW was kind enough to build the vehicles, in most cases, so that the bearings can be replaced without pulling the engine...
But, yeah, terrible idea...
@@therocket280z7😂😂not true, I know Bmw 530i with over 250000 miles without any problems🔥better then most American car and the worst Range Rover😩
@@helgejohan3604 lol, yes, it's not true about all the cars. But it's absolutely true about most of the M cars(e46 and newer), and others.
Hans the mechanic🤣🤣I'm sure I wouldn't have thought about that!
Im sorry but it should have gone immediately to the dealer after the warning. To then ignore the error and dyno and tune the bike was just ridiculous.
If BMW did the first service they probably would have spotted it didnt sound right!
Im sorry just heard where you said it was overreved with the limiter removed. There you go absolutely aggree with BMW decision sorry
I worked for a BMW dealership in Malaysia for 12years, what Manny went thru is exactly same situation here in Malaysia for warranty claim, 1- yes BMW hire 3rd party as call center & yes they don't know 💩, 2- their warranty claim department personnel lack of technical know how hence u need to go thru hell to get their technical department to work with their warranty claim department which is what they want because then they could reject as many warranty claims as they could, 3- yes, not all dealership have good mechanics that know what they're doing & handle customers cars or bikes with care & respect, sad that this happens
Sorry to hear this is not even just a problem in USA. I appreciate your chiming in your experience here for us to read!
@@Motomillion hope BMW take this seriously & give u guys a reasonable closure, which they should've in the first place
Keep uploading videos of this blown BMW and im sure BMW will soon be intouch to give you replacement
We already paid for a replacement engine out of our own pocket.
You need to be refunded bro
From my experience BMW is rather gonna sue him for talking negative about their products. 😅
I've owned lots of bikes and it's an accepted standard; you modify an engine with any non factory parts or re-maps you void the warranty. Wouldn't be surprised if it says that in the manual. Even if it had no effect on what happened you smoked your warranty.
I've been riding for 30 years. Every warranty says it.
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Mani, Paul at Blais is Awesome! Sorry to hear about your experience with BMW. It amazes me that they would treat their customers as they have you. I have a feeling that they are going to lose a lot more than what it would have cost them to fix your bike. They are not very smart are they! I've had a few bad experiences with a couple of Motorcycle dealers in our SE FL Area. Nothing to do with warranty, just sub par service work.
Yes, Paul and Blais Cycle have always been great to us!
I can completely understand about not wanting to take the bike to your local dealer. My dealer here in Charleston sells Honda,BMW and Ducati. I took my new Panigale V4 for its first service and they could not put the fairing back on properly. It makes me wonder if they even have a factory trained mechanic on duty. I did fill out a survey sent to me from Ducati of North America and they called me to talk about the service. Hopefully they have talked to the dealer, but I still don't trust the local dealer. Oh and you are right about Warranty programs. Im very familiar with the Warranty process and it seems they did farm it out ti a third party, Manufactures use a web portal for the dealer to enter the information into and it is answered by sometimes a person who has no idea how something works. They just look for key words to deny the claim.
Truly saddening to see comments like this, because we all know the industry has a big problem and big dis-efficiencies, while these bikes are now easily costing more than a brand new Toyota Corolla which to most of us is a very good car.
If you're talking about champion, they were great when Harry was there, but after he left I had nothing but awful experiences with them.
@@alexanderbrown8276 yes I am. it doesn't seem like they can keep a salesman and the ones they do get seem to know little about the bikes they sell. They are just about selling a bike and making a number. Not motorcyclist enthusiast at all. I want a dealer like Ducati of Tampa Bay!
Donaldson BMW in St Louis was pretty awesome. They repaired my K1200R TWICE for free out of warranty, on a salvaged titled bike no less. And while I was waiting I mentioned the new S1000RR looked neat; they threw me the keys and said I should take it for a test ride. I didn't because that's not my style of bike.
If the bike you buy is for competition warranty is null and void
I work for a Kawasaki dealership as a technician and ironically had an almost identical failure on a 2023 zx636 with 7000 miles on it. Disassembled the engine and found #2 rod bearing had come apart and the resulting material coming off the bearing and damaging the cases, crank, head, pistons, and cams, but despite all that Kawasaki warranted everything. Only difference is they don’t sell engines assemblies so us techs have to rebuild them ourselves.
BMW sucks
In 2006 I bought a brand new ZZR600 and 178 miles later it was in the dealers workshop in component pieces! Kawasaki warranted everything and were so apologetic to me.I ended up getting a full refund from the dealers but Kawasaki were brilliant with their customer service.
I’ve been working for a Kawasaki dealer as a tech for about 3 years now and I have to say their warranty is very impressive, they stand behind their product and they have warrantied many parts for me that probably failed due to customer error but they still approved the replacement anyway. I was skeptical of them warrantying this 636 engine because it would need new cases, crank, head, etc etc. almost 10k worth of parts and they covered everything for the customer and payed me good labor to disassemble and rebuild it for the customer so all around I think personally think Kawasaki is pretty dam good.
I only had a small warranty claim on my 2017 Versys 650 nearly by the end of the 2 year warranty period (bought it brand new, everything was perfect).
It was a front sprocket seal that was leaking very small amounts of oil, just enough to get the surrounding area moist.
Was told to clean it off with brake cleaner (to make sure it's not chain grease), ride it some more and report back.
I cleaned it, rode it, took photos before & after, sent it to my dealership and Kawasaki honored the claim and sent the replacement seal (done the change at the next service, since leaking was almost negligible).
No problems since and I've been extremely happy with the quality and reliability of Kawasaki.
Not to mention I love that bike to death. 😁
Ive got a 23' M1000r with 2,500 miles now. No issues... but i broke in the engine correctly and the bike is stock. I track the bike regularly and reach 14k rpm regularly.
My Ass just puckered when you said $15k for a new engine 🤦🏻‼️‼️
Ours did too!
@@Motomillion😂😂😢
I can get 3 Used bandits for that price!
Glad to see this. I was planning on buying S1000rr now Im thinking to buy a kawasaki zx10r instead.
The anniversary model is amazing!
It may be hard but the best way to prevent dealer and manufacturer problems is to not modify while in warranty.
Thanks for making my decision for me. Couldn't decide between the M1000R or the Streetfighter...Streetfighter it is.
We had a Streetfighter V4 we built! Might have been our favorite build so far!
You removed the rev limiter because you don't believe in rev limiters 😅 then act all shocked and aggrieved because BMW says that voids the warranty (duh). 😂 Wow. The level of cluelessness demonstrated throughout this video is absolutely spectacular!
get up ! you shit yourself :)
Man, so sad to see this...reading the comments seems like it's luck of the draw...I have 13k miles on my '21 S1000RR, about 3000 track miles alone. BT stage 2 since the initial service, and 0 issues over the last 3 years. Hope someone from BMW sees this and does the right thing.
So truly happy to hear comments like yours! At the end of the day, it is always great to hear good stories and know that some of us get to enjoy these machines as intended!
Moral of the story, keep your shit stock
Moral of the story, don't waste your hard earned money on Euro junk. Buy Japanese, modify the way you want, abuse it if you like, have fun and enjoy years of trouble free riding.
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 Totally agree, I had a modified/tuned Kawasaki zx10r for 14 years that i beat on. In that 14 years it went through 2 batteries, 1 regulator, and 1 stator, thats it.
Nothing wrong with modifications as long as the owner adheres to engineers' recommendations for break-in period.
@@ComputerGeekOnTwoWheels Engineer's recommendation on European bikes are "do not modify at all" unless you want to buy $4-5k aCRAPović exhaust that sounds like stock because most Euro bike brands have contracts with aCRAP and they make a lot of money together. In reality those exhausts are worth 4× less than they charge for them.
You can modify Japanese bikes whatever the hell you want it and they will refuse to break. BMW is junk and that's a fact. They copied GSX-R 1000 design on S1000RR except for reliability, that's "superior" German engineering😂😂
@@chaoticspiro I'm not surprised at all
I appreciate him being honest about how he disabled the limiter early. Lesson here, don’t do anything to give a warrantee adjuster a reason to deny a claim.
According to the manual, first service is due between 350 to 700 miles. First service includes removing the break in limiter. We did it between this interval indicated in the manual.
I bought a brand new S1000RR. At about a 1000 miles, one day, while I was riding, noticed the front brake lost power as I was braking by a lot, mid-squeeze. I pulled over and got off of the bike, then noticed that one of the front calipers was just hanging, completely detached from the rotor. Luckily, BMW did cover everything including the front forged wheel, since it was damaged by hanging caliper. The question is, how was this bike put together? how was the quality inspection done?
If it was mine and it happened to me, I would consider it to be rider negligence. Really, a caliper fell all the way off, and it's banging on the wheel, and the rider doesn't know and grabs some front brake?
Manny, if you need someone to add miles to your bikes; I'm your man!
We may need someone!
I'm really having a very hard season (18000km)with a KTM super adventure s (2022 model). Still, there've been so many repairs, dempener, oil cases, display, shift shaft, electronics failure. But seeing this video, somehow I'm actually thankful that yes. Ktm did take care about all these issues within warranty. Hell what a story. I'm sorry to hear all than pain and disappointment you had to deal.
Still, all those bmw communications sound strange. At least directly here in Munich at some official bmw dealerships for over 5 yrs (bmw S1000R) I never had any issues with warrenty and the dealer taking care of them.
KTM are normally rock solid, had a couple of the various models from them with no problems.
@@v4skunk739 really happy to hear, appreciate the feedback a lot. Strengthens my mental health looking forward to the new (2nd) season 💪👍
Great video on warning the public. This is a black eye for BMW. They should be ashamed.
You did the right thing.
I'm sorry that happened, but honest question here: I didn't see you mentioning how you unlocked the rev limiter of the bike. By any chance did you flash it with BT? Or did you just took it out of the OEM "break-in" software limiter?
These are the kinds of questions he doesn’t seem to be answering. There’s clearly a reason and he obviously voided his warranty somehow.
@@jacobhendrickson8935they get all that comes to them, what goes around, comes around.
We did the first service following BMW's specs. Yes, we have the tools to do it, and we did it in house over here. Watch our videos. We are not hiding anything, Jacob.
@@Motomillion I’m not saying your hiding anything I’ve just not found clear answers to my question of what exactly did they tell you is the reason why you’re not being covered under warranty?? If it was over revved 250 rpm’s that’s probably all they needed. This was probably done on a downshift unless someone raised the rpm limit in the ecu the only other way is by downshifting into a lower gear at to high of speed.
By the way I do fully agree this was a factory defect being I’ve watched so many bikes abused off the showroom floor without any issues. With that said you somehow voided your warranty and gave them a reason not to honor it.
So how did this 250 RPM over rev happen?? and was this their only reason or did they have other reasons as well??
These are the questions your not being completely clear on their reason.
You mentioned a couple of possible reasons but I would like to know their exact reasons.
The build quality on these things is really hit or miss. I have a 15 s1krr with 20k miles original engine and it’s been tracked and everything is fine. But a friend of mine had a 2016 s1000rr with 8k miles with a fresh engine from bmw and it ended up spinning a rod 1000 miles later and I had to rebuild the engine for him.
Needless to say, when I took apart the engine I seen how they blatantly put silicone over an oil galley hole when I split the casings. Keep in mind this engine was warrantied new from bmw. Had to send the crankshaft to get machined and cleaned all the oil galleys.
Sorry to hear about the bike, Mani, but to be fair, I have seen many videos in which you claim you don't do the factory break-in and like to do your own method of break-in. I imagine BMW, Ducati, Aprilia etc. also see your videos and take that into account. It also seems like in most of your videos you are eager to get the bike on the dyno ASAP, whether it be for "content", or your own personal anticipation. You have to expect with the need for a hasty dyno run, or not breaking-in the bikes per factory specifications, things like this are bound to happen, and based on that, I can see a manufacturer not wanting to warranty a product. I am not trying to knock you as I enjoy your content, just trying to be fair.
Well, appreciate your comment. The break in is not "our own method", it is a method which has been discussed by engineers and engine builders. We have never had an issue with any other bike nor any other vehicle following those procedures, it is not smoke and mirrors either, the explanation makes all the sense when it comes down to real facts and science.
I have owned well over couple dozen vehicles, and none of them have had an engine failure to this case, and all get broken in the same way.
Furhtermore, we did not break in this engine the way we usually do since the factory break in limiter does not allow us to do so.
I hear you. I did not to mean to imply you have your "own method" of break-in procedure, or that it is "smoke and mirrors", just that it is generally a different procedure than the factory recommended one and that some manufacturers (in my experience) are just looking for a reason not to take accountability for a defective product, and not following their recommended break-in procedure to a tee (and video taping it) is just inviting them to make excuses for not wanting to warranty a defective product imho. The way I see it, if you (or anyone else) bought the bike, you (or anyone else) can do whatever you want with it, but I also can see why they may not want to warranty it as well based off that alone. @@Motomillion
There are literally 1000s of these bikes on the roads with ZERO problems. Common sense owners do the proper break in period. During the break in period, all the moving parts are 'settling in' with each other. This creates material debris in the engine, which thickens the oil. Thick oil and high rpms will destroy any engine, since the oil cannot flow properly. No harm if the engine is kept at low RPMs and the oil changed within 500ish miles, which removes all the debris. After that, the new oil stays clean, no more debris, and hence the engine can now operate as intended.
Check, don't buy BMW bikes
Just because some turned out faulty, doesn’t mean that every bmw bike is not worth getting. I have a 2020 s1krr and the thing just works. Nothing was ever wrong with it (and i hope it stays that way😅)
It's the fact that bmw isn't willing to help out with the problem on an expensive bike. And I have hear of other stories on this bike
I'd rather ride a tractor than a BMW, anyway.
@@oldfordguy you do that if it makes you happy 🤷♂🤷♂
@@darrellpatenaude3825it’s not just BMW. I got a new KTM 390 Adv. Fork seals blew 4 times in 7k km, road use only after first blown set. They refused warranty claim.
Only after endless arguments threatening to sue they decided to pay back repairs. Only after replacing 4 blown fork seal sets in less than 1 week apart eachother they finally agreed to have the fork replaced.
Blows my mind they wouldn't have got that covered under warranty for you guys...sorry to hear that man. I have a feeling you are going to be hearing from BMW shortly regarding this video and the issue overall.
We could only wish they would do us right. I mean that is not the purpose of this video, we are not begging for anything, but it would be a great story for them as well to step up!
Wow…
I’m sorry this happened to you guys. I didn’t know people were having issues with their 2023+ M’s.
Thank you. The comment section is littered with owners comments and some are previous owners at this point. Let us know when you are around Miami next time!
@@Motomillion I’ll be down soon! I’ll definitely hit you guys up
@@FastLaneDdamn now you’re having the same issues… won’t be going BMW anymore!
100 bucks says he followed break in procedure and made no modifications on new engine and everything is fine. Good lesson to be learned here for millennials and Gen-Z:
You never modify engine, electronics or drivetrain until well into the life of a new vehicle or better yet, after warranty expires. Be patient with mods. Always do initial services through dealership as well, and if you cant afford to do that, you cant afford the vehicle. Create a situation where dealership excuses to avoid honoring warranty are eliminated.
The warranty on this bike is 3 years....NO ONE who owns this bike is going to wait 3 years to get full throttle in 2nd gear....BMW needs to re-evaluate its 50-60 hp deficit in the midrange if they are going to void all warranty. If it happens to mine I am hiring a lawyer without a doubt....as its on the manufacturer to PROVE my mod caused the failure. Harley Davidson got POUNDED for arbitrarily denying warranty claims due to mods when there was ZERO correlation.
Knowing performance engines and having torn multiple down from failures, taking measurements, this 100% sounds like bad assembly. BMW may be losing a customer permanently for pulling this. It’s why I sold my M3 and went with Japanese cars.
And the moral to the story is "never jeopardise your warranty".
he didn't lol
I was about to purchase a BMW 1000 .. thanks for the info. .. I will purchase a GSX1000RR after seeing this !!
I had bought a brand new 2020 Aprilia RSV4 RR and I was told by the dealer, if I so much take the canister off to put a slip-on on my bike, I could void the warranty if something goes wrong. Manufactures are becoming strict with their products because they are tired of having to take the costs of replacing anything that goes wrong with the bikes.
Look up Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I don’t doubt that they’d try to refuse warranty repairs on bikes with slip-ons and good luck winning that case in court, but technically TL;DR a dealership has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any modifications performed were a direct cause of any engine or drivetrain failures. YMMV, FA=>FO etc but the intent was to prevent companies and dealers selling stuff with useless warranties that they could void if you used aftermarket gasoline or tires.
Stop crying it's your own fault.
I listened your whole vid! Once again these people are not breaking in the bikes! You are correct that their MIGHT BE AN ISSUE! Toprak’s bike is not stock!!! Pushing hp to keep up with desmo and a v4 are biting them (bmw). I am positive every bike popped where not broke in properly! Idiots should not buy high end bikes! They are too tightly specked out for mechanically ignorant people!
I am no expert in litigation, and not even in engines. From my point of view, it sounds like the engine probably had a problem from the get-go BUT you also didn’t adhere to the break in procedure stated. In that case, you have given them a way to bow out of coverage. It sucks, for sure, and you are right about it being sad considering to purchase price. Unfortunately, I think they have the right to refuse coverage.
Let this be a lesson to all of us out there people, don’t be too quick to mess around with your bikes. Even if the failure is not your fault, you’re putting yourself at risk of expensive repairs in case something like this scenario happens.
My 2022 s1000rr has 3500 miles on it now without any issues. But I took it easy until around 800 miles.
Happy to hear you are enjoying the bike! Thank you for commenting on here to let us know your experience!
I had 2 engine failures on bmw s1000rr k67 and when i started having issues again bjw refused warranty repair.I sold the bike and went for Yamaha.No issues
Yamaha's are FANTASTIC! Sorry to hear of your issues, but I am sure you are not happy!
@@Motomillion i am not happy with how bmw is dealing with issues.Actually I managed to have access to my case and I was shocked with their internal emails.I will never buy another bmw again.I hope you will get reimbrused with the costs on the engine as it clearly manufacturer fault.
Would love to hear some of the details about those internal emails
Denied why? Modded most likely?
The local BMW near me removed the "break in" rev limiter on my 22 s100rr at 504 miles. In the coding from bmw the min milage limit is about 300miles before it will let you remove it. If that was the issue then why code it to be able to remove before 600 miles? A friend of ours also had a 22 that had cam angle sensors fail multiple times, nothing done to the bike, completely stock and bmw kept replacing them until the motor let go, then gave him a hard time about replacing the engine, then they finally replaced it and he traded it in for a 23 but had to eat the cost difference.
Yup, and it is also in their owners manual. The manual indicates first service / break in service is due between 350 to 700 miles. We did it within that period.
@@Motomillion Like everyone else including cars, they are hiding behind you are not auth. In some cases that is fair.
@@MotomillionI may not agree with BMW, but I still understand.
You guys are not certified to do so by BMW (even if you actually know what you’re doing, and I believe you do) so, even sticking to the guidelines, your forked up :/
They may (plausible deniability) disassemble the engine when removing the limiter, as to check tolerances/assembly. But that’s PURE speculation.
I’m a Honda fan, so, mine will run forever :D
They would have to show what you failed to do OR what you did wrong. Can't just say you are not qualified to change oil. @@RuiSousa46
@@bailey9rI stated in another comment, in EU it’s simple: if your certified by BMW then it’s their responsibility. If you’re not, then it’s your responsibility. The thing is, you remove something by software that they don’t have registry, so, they know it wasn’t made by a certified shop, therefore they (again, not that I agree) wash their hands… the thing that I don’t understand is “warranty not voided, but still not gonna fix/replace”.
Car /Bikes manufacturers CEO's live in the old world and don't understand the potential damage from social networks and not the opportunities. Instead of investing in traditional branding R&D departments and PR, it is better for them to invest in satisfied customers or at least prevent the situation of angry customers.
Should the bike not be kept under a certain RPM for break in, putting it on a dyno is going to cause problems going to full RPM
i would have done the 600 mile gentle break in on the first day on this bike , how hard would that be ? I mean he did 40 hr round trip twice for the bike lol .
yup in a weekend or in a week riding for a couple hours a day
My thoughts exactly.
That's because he's probably a weekend motorcyclist, not used to actually going anywhere far with his bikes. He just uses them as toys to go fast and get his adrenaline rush.
I mean, that's fine as there are many different types of motorcyclists and they all have a place under the sun, but it's not an excuse for failing to properly break-in the bike and not mess with the rev limiter... no matter how annoying you think it is or how limited you are on free time to be able to do it.