CREAMBACK vs A-Type STOCK speaker in a Fender Hot Rod!
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- I've been wanting to install the Celestion Creamback G12M into my Fender Hot rod amp for a while so i bought it as i've heard good things about it, i also go through the FULL SPEAKER INSTALLATION process in case you wanted to try it.
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In this video i'll shootout both speakers out with various drive settings using single coils and humbucker pickups using my Fender Hot Rod amp.
The Celestion G12 Creamback speaker is an 8-ohm 65 watt 12" speaker whereas the stock speaker is a Celestion A-Type 12" 50 watt speaker, they has a very different sound and it'll be interesting to get your feedback on them.
Thanks for watching this amp speaker shootout and FULL INSTALL GUIDE of the Celestion Creamback G12M.
0:00 Intro
0:43 Full installation
7:12 Clean comparison single coils
8:33 Drive comparison single coils
9:37 More drive comparison single coils
10:38 Clean comparison humbuckers
11:43 Drive comparison humbuckers
12:48 Final thoughts
Cheers!
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A type has all the right frequencies!
I rarely comment, but this video was lovely. Great job in illustrating the speaker swap and demo. Very calming with the music over the speaker swap I must add! Appreciate the tricks and tips too
Thanks Alex! Really appreciate that, cheers!
Thanks for the helpful video! Put a creamback into my blues deluxe yesterday - turned a good amp into an amazing amp! Great speaker!
Thanks man! i'm still enjoying the speaker, makes such a difference, cheers for the comment!
Creamback for the win! Great job on all fronts: really interesting install, sweet playing, A+ videography as usual, etc. I think the new speaker opened up a good amp even more. Nice! 🤙
Thanks Steve!! you are always too kind, enjoying your content also 🤙
Wow sounds even better with this upgrade, I think I’m going to do this
Presentation style is so lovely. I subscribed after the first 5 seconds.
Wow thank you! I really appreciate that!! :)
Nice video man, you are really gifted, that upgrade was a good move! really warm tones you can get out of it, enjoy it!!!!
Thanks man! It really is a great speaker, I’ll play it thoroughly and enjoy it :)) cheers
I put a Celestion G12T-75 in mine. It got rid of that boxy sound the original speaker had. It was a great upgrade. The amp sounds amazing now
Great video. I did the swap to the Creamback and the sound is fantastic. I have the Tech 21 XXL distortion pedal and even better!
Thanks!! I still have it in the amp, great speaker! I’ll check out the Tech 21 XXL
Thank you for this video Derek! I used it as a reference when changed out the speaker in my HRDIV. Went with a Cannabis Rex. So far, and it needs to be broken in yet, I really like the tones I'm getting out of it specifically with my Strat Ultra and Tele. Les Paul neck position sounds very flubby though and perhaps that's just because the speaker isn't broken in yet. Primarily I use single coil Fenders and I'm optimistic thus far. Just installed it yesterday so need to figure out a new EQ and dial it in. BTW I recently had some tube rattle. Was pretty bad. Took it to shop and they installed two Mesa Boogie power tubes. I'm pleasantly surprised how big of a difference that has made. Highly recommended and was only a $60 upgrade.
Thanks Joel, I’m thinking the same with the creamback, as it’s such a different sound I’m having trouble getting used to it, but as it’s an pretty straight forward swap it’s no trouble to install the a type back into it, I’m hoping I have to break it in also, good tip with the tubes though, I’ve heard that they can make a difference, cheers man!
The dirtier it gets better the cream back sounds. Played clean I like em both. Excellent video, cheers
Thanks for the comment and kind words, i find that too! cheers
Nice video and thanks for doing this. I was interested in this video because I have the HR DeVille IV with A Type speakers, but also have a DSL with a Creamback 65 in it and wondered what the DeVille would sound like with that speaker. I have to say that as much as I like the Creamback in my DSL, I prefer the A Type in the HR Deluxe in this video. Thanks again.
Thanks for the feedback Bob, I was considering putting the A-Type back in but I bought the captor x which has the a-type can emulation so best of both worlds :)) cheers for the comment and kind words
THANKS, DEREK!
That was a really nice demo, thanks! Not really into the heavy breakup of the Greenback, but the Creamback seems like a good in between.
Thank you! Appreciate the comment
You would really like the Creamback H then. Its a bit brighter than the Creamback M and holds its bottom end much better. Not as dark. Creamback H75 is a great speaker to mix with V30's.
@@DreidMusicalX Good to know, thanks! I recently picked up a cabinet with a V30 and a G30 and I REALLY like it! I imagine that those two speakers in unison sound similar to the Creamback.
Creamback for the real good tone amazing tone and looks very nice in this amp
It really depends what tone one may desire at a particular time.
I have a 60 watt 2x 12 Deville. Never could take it to a jam gig too powerful to drive without killing the drummer.
But my son Chris plugged his eight string through it it easily handled in rehearsal. No pedals. Rock and roll!
I’ve just subscribed to your channel. Love the laid back style of your videos without all the “Heeeeyyyy, Wasssup” stuff 😄
BTW way I have a Fender Hot Rod Michael Landau amp with Celestion Vtype speakers. It’s the loudest thing known to man. Anything past 3 on the volume and everyone complains 😕
Thank you! I appreciate that very much, yeah I’m not into the what’s up guys stuff lol, the Micheal Landau version looks really nice, and the V-type speaker sounds so good, it’s louder than and exploding star lol, cheers!
Consider not turning up your guitar's volume knob all the way, this should let you turn up your amp some.
I have the crappy Jenson Special in mine. Just ordered the creamback. Can't wait to get the smooth tone.
I've been enjoying the smooth tone for a while now! still love the speaker, cheers!
What a kick a*se how to video. Many thanks.
Thanks Robert!! Appreciate that very much
That creamback sounds great.
Cheers Peter, it does doesn't it!
Thanks so much ! 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment 👍
I thought the A sounded better to me. Different strokes for different folks. Thanks for the install vid. I'm about to swap mine out, but i have an old model with the Eminence. I'm going to try the Eminence Alessandro.
Thanks for the comment and vote, appreciate that! cheers and hope the Eminence works out!
I liked the dirty A-Type with the Tele sound. Tasty
Thanks for watching!
GORGEOUS GUITARS!!!
Awwww thanks Lainey! 😁
Depends on the sound one is after. The A Type had more high end sparkle, the CB had a more rounded tone, and the mid focus was at lower freq. Also less hum. For me, I preferred the A Type sound, so I’d get to save some $ 😊
It really does! Tone is an individual thing, thanks for the comment!
I think for a Fender amp the stock speaker was the right choice. I have a creamback in my Friedman Small Box Combo and for this Marshall-Type amp with it's darker tone it fits perfectly. But I think I will keep the original speaker in my Hot Rod Deluxe, this combination to me brings a warmer sound.
I’m in a quandary as a I haven’t decided which I like best, I do really love the stock speaker in it, think I’ll live with the creamback for a while and then decide, cheers Martin
Eminence swamp thang for the win mate.
Nice choice mate!
It’s a good speaker
The Cream Back sounded really harsh to my ear. How consistent was the mic placement? Moving a mic just and inch or 2 off centre of the cone can make a drastic difference. I once had a chance to plug into three different Blues Deluxes, one with a Jensen Speaker, one with a Celestian and mine with it's original Eminence. The Eminence won. That's just me.
Type a clean single coils- 7:18, 8:08
Creamback clean single coils- 7:40, 8:22
Type a drive single coils- 8:40
Creamback drive single coils- 9:10
Type a more drive single coils- 9:45
Creamback more drive single coils- 10:09
Type a clean humbuckers - 10:46
Creamback clean humbuckers - 11:14
Type a humbuckers drive - 11:50
Creamback humbuckers clean compared to type a drive - 12:13
Type a humbuckers drive - 12:39
Hi Derek!
What do you think about Celestions alnico Blu on the Hot Rod line?
Would that be too bright?
I have a Deville, I'm thinking about swapping them either for cream backs or the blue alnico ones.
I'm into SRV, Sayce...
Thanks!
Hi, I’m honestly not sure, I’ve not tried the Alnico blu however the cream backs have that nice SRV vibe them, cheers!
Great video. My experience is that when I've played my stock HRD IV with a band it's sounded plenty bright. I'm not sure I'd want a brighter speaker. The presence knob can help with that. I think with a smaller amp like this the midrange hump helps because it makes it sound louder than it really is, especially with other instruments. Trading mids for treble could reduce the perceived volume and basically make it so you can't use the amp in as many situations.
Thanks for the feedback! Mid range is definitely needed on stage! Cheers!
No words, such an excellent comment!!!
I've played the Hotrod Deluxe 3 and Deluxe 4 back to back. The Deluxe 3 sounds much better. It comes stock with the Celestion G12P-80 speaker. The low end is tighter and overall tone is more clear.
I used to have the three back in the day but can’t remember the sound! Thanks for the comment
I played the 3 and I think it sound graet, nice low end and spongy sounding. I bought a 4 and I don't like it. It lacks low end. Not great sounding over all. Do you think its just the speaker?
@@pablodevera3278 the 3 cabinet is made from a different kind of wood, heavier and more dense. Plus, the speaker is different from what is used in the 4. I think those two elements make a difference for the tone of the amp.
informative👍💖
Thanks man!
The back panel will be easier to remove if you slightly loosen the 2 chassis screws on each side of the cabinet. This is especially helpful if you're removing the back panel of a Blues Jr. to do this modification.
Good tip thank you!!
You don't need to remove the two bottom cage screws, only the top one. I put an alnico creamback 90 in my HRD and it sounds so much better than the stock speaker. I have the version 3 amp. Probably going to put one in my blues deluxe too. I put that stock speaker in a Boss Katana 2x12 and it's louder and a bit clearer than the stock Katana speakers.
You are right, I realised that the second time I did it, I think the cream back also sounds better, to my ears anyway, cheers for the comment and feedback!
Hi Derek, expectedly, I thought the Creamback sounded a little tighter and it will be interesting to hear a comparison in a couple of months time after it's been fully played in. Nevertheless, both were worthy of their' place in the HRD. I still have the original in mine, a Series III and I have no plans to swap it out at the moment. The previous owner had a Vintage 30 installed and offered me that but I don't regret my choice.
Hi Gareth, I came to the same conclusion, I do however still love the stock speaker, it suits the HRD really well, I just wanted to try something new, I’ll never sell that speaker as they both have unique tones :) cheers as always
I'm not sure which i prefer yet, they both have such a different sound, what do you think?
Played the humboldt hotrod today with fender hotrod hempster (cannabiss rex) speaker in it and it flat out OWNED the stock jr iv at guitar center. Supposedly the hempster is tweaked a bit but it and the c rex are hemp cone eminence designed speakers.
I have a hot rod deluxe with a 75 watt speaker
But i have an extension cabinet with 25watt greenback.
Will it damage the Greenback? Or will it be okay concerning it’s being paired with the 75watter
Id say as long as the 25w has the correct impedance and you don't run it at high volumes you should be ok, maybe someone else has a more scientific answer though, cheers!
@@DerekPaulGuitar if the amp's 40 watts at 4 ohms and each speaker is 8 ohms, then each speaker will be receiving 20 watts
The Type A is by far much better sounding.
I prefer the A but who cares when that tele was playing!! Wow that tone was fantastic.
Thanks! Appreciate that!
Hello! Thanks for this. It is (by far) the MOST detailed video on changing a Fender Deluxe amp speaker that I have been able to find.
I have recently returned to playing music ( I am primarily a bassist) and just lost my mind ordering an Epiphone Emperor Swingster and a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue. The thing is I have seen a lot of stuff on the Interwebs about changing out the speakers in these amps and am wondering if I should just play with the amp as it ships or if I should invest the extra $$$ in a speaker upgrade.
Any insight would be appreciated!
Thanks again for a great video!
Hi Jeremy, nice combo of guitar and amp! i would say play blues deluxe speaker for a while, it's darker than the hot rod and has a gorgeous tone to it, it'll chime nicely, then after a while if you can't get what you need from it maybe experiment with a speaker swap, i had mine for two years and it was just lacking something, it had some frequencies that just didn't work for me and i'm really pleased with my swap, but it took me a while of playing it to realise, thanks for the kind words and enjoy that superb amp (i'd buy one if i saw one come up at the right price) cheers
For what you are doing the stock speaker should be more than efficient for learning and practicing !
Very good review and thank you for the effort and clarity or presentation. I have a Blues Deluxe I am seriously thinking about doing this to, can't decide between the Swamp Thang or this one. Also, quick question: I'd like to keep the original and put it into a closed back 1x12 cabinet for an extension. Any tips on that?
Thanks for the comment Dave, i did the same thing myself, put the A-Type speaker that i took form the hot rod and put it in a 1x12 cab from implicit audio, i did a video here ruclips.net/video/eXWpaB9f25w/видео.html
@@DerekPaulGuitar Hey! Thanks a ton!
@@daveshepard9154 no worries Dave, happy to help
Hey-did you ever end up doing this. I found this comment after ordering a cream back and also planning on using original BD speaker for a home made cab. Exact same plan
@@nicholaspicel3838 Welp, got my budget a little waylaid...bought a Player Acoustasonic Tele - which is amazing, by the way. I'm pretty sure I'll do the cream back here soon. And I need to build an extension cab for the left over stock one.
Is there a burn in? Differences after? Pair in my cart for my 99 HRDvl, unsure of the price/performance improvement ratio.
Good question! I really don’t know but I will say that it’s still sounding fantastic in my amp, a totally different character with less mids and a little more highs, for me it was that I didn’t really love the A-Type speaker that came with it, I was looking for more of a mid scooped sound, although the cream back isn’t overly mid scooped it works for me, thanks for the comment
Count me in with the side that likes the original speaker better. The creamback just sounded a bit too bassy and muffled. At least that's how it sounds on the video.
Thanks for the comment and the vote!
thanks Derek i was thinking of doing just that,My old 97 h.r. drive ch always sucked.I use a pig nose in place of my pre amp. sounds better thinking about the g12 creamback, the hot rods like you have are better than the old ones.I was born in middlesex London England ,Do you know where that is?
Hey Michael, cheers for the comment, I still have the cream back in mine, makes such a difference, yes I know Middlesex very well! Cheers!
Much more articulate and clearer, clean and drive... The stock one sounds muddy (but we can love it for that also)
Cheers man, yeah I’ve stuck with the cream back although the stock has its own character :)
I preferred the A type, rounder and sweet
Why do you prefer using a creamback M vs the 75w creamback H? just curious, andertons did a review and thought they liked the H better... maybe I'm wrong.
They did the review after I bought it, or I may have gone with that one, I just watched a lot of RUclips videos at the time and made a decision based on that, still love the M though, cheers
@@DerekPaulGuitar Gotcha, thanks for the response.
Couldn't find that one, could you put up the link? Thanks
Hey Derek with the Creamback could you get closer to Clapton's type of sound?
Hey, oh wow I’m not sure, but the cream back certainly has an improved mid range and a slightly tighter low end
Not without Clapton’s mid boost control.
hello! I liked the А type more! Thanks!
Thanks for the comment, the A-type is a fantastic speaker and I hope to put it in a cabinet soon, cheers
Yeah, me too.
Nice vid, thanks. Not worth it from what I'm hearing. The A-type sounds great. The only speaker I've heard that sounded good enough to be worth it was the Celestion Alnico Creamback but that's also twice the price of your Creamback G12M. For now I'll certainly keep the A-type in my amp.
Thanks for the comment! The A-Type is a great speaker for sure!
Makes it sound zingy and bouncy more like Fender amp should with the creamback speaker.
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
I'm no expert but I've been told by those who are that you have to be very careful not to over tighten the screws holding the speaker in place and to be sure to get as even a tightness on each screw as possible not to warp or bend the speaker chassis.
When you swap out the speaker of a Hot Rod, there's no soldering?
No, no soldering at all, cheers!
@@DerekPaulGuitar thanks, maybe I'll try it myself.. any suggestions for a loud blackface type of speaker with lots a clean headroom?
@@supersonicsroots no problem, it’s really straightforward, unfortunately I only have real world experience with the 65w creamback, which I love, cheers!
To me, A type sounds better with Fender guitars and amps. Creamback is a great speaker as well, but sounds better In Marshall amps with Les Pauls IMO. Great video!
Thanks for the comment and feedback!
I REALLY want the alnico cream back for my HRD, but it's $300! I tell everyone to buy the best and cry once, so maybe I should take my own advice.
Oh man that’s a bit steep! Still… cheaper than a whole new amp I guess :)
They both sound good obviously, but my ears hear a little crisper attack with the Creamback. (poetry 101 LOL). However, the CB seems to decay faster and the original has a little more growl and guts and is a tiny bit warmer. I can hear more treble articulation with the CB, especially on the strat. I don't know if there is a clear winner here, I think it comes down to individual preference. Cheers!
I think you are absolutely right, it's going to be a personal taste thing, i'm not sure which i prefer yet but they both have great characteristics for sure! cheers
Well, not sure it was worth it. I think a Celestion V Type would have been a great alternative.
I actually preferred the original speaker, prolly need a bit of time to loosen up the new speaker, wear it in.
I think so too, the new one is harsher and will need some time, cheers
never did like the m cream. h cream though is something special
how to turn your hotrod into a black marlin (inspired by trainwreck):
1.swap the speaker to an alnico cream 90w
2.swap the v1 tube to a high gain vintage mullard i63 ,breakup should start at volume 1-1.5 with a les paul.
3.enjoy!
Very nice!!!
Hi Derek ! Could you please tell me the name of the song? I would like to use it as a backing track. Thank you :)
Hi Dave, did you mean the ambient one whilst installing the speaker? Cheers
@@DerekPaulGuitar yes !
Send me an email Dave at derekpaulguitar@gmail.com and I’ll grab it and send it over :)
@@DerekPaulGuitar thank you ! :D
Great video. It seems that the Creamback takes drive tones a little better imo, however this is highly subjective. The A does sound great though and as I've just gotten a HRD tweed, I need to get used to it.
Thanks!! To be honest I like both but I’ve kept the cream back in it as I prefer the very clean scooped sound :) nice amp by the way! cheers
The Original Speaker sounds more organic.. warm and real,...the creamback is to sterile.. I can see why a pedals on the original speaker is a better option to change the sound
Thanks for watching!
In reality the Creamback sound better as the A type is the one that gets muffled with a band.
The cremeback 90w alnico blows this cremeback and the original away! Better cleans, better gain sound.
How did you get it to 8 without blowing out your ears and the windows, too?
Two notes Captor X :)
I have a g12h-75 16ohm at home, can I use this as an upgrade?
As I understand it the speaker you have will have a tighter low end and punchier high end, I’d stick with that, cheers
@@DerekPaulGuitar but the amp has a 8ohm speaker in it as stock correct? I have a 16ohm speaker, can this be used?
To clarify it is a g12h- 75 celestion creamback 16ohm
@@grahamkelly8299 I’ve read that it’s not recommended, cheers
Not sure if you're still thinking about the speaker, but you can use load resistors make a dummy load box at the same impedance in the second speaker output to half the load on your amp. It's like adding a second speaker but without the extra volume/cost. So you'd have 2x 16ohm impedances which would bring the total load down to 8ohms.
Only drawback is that they get super hot from turning the high powered signal into heat instead of sound. So you'd need either A.) resistors with a power rating around 4x the amp's power OR B.) a really good heat sink/cooling setup
nice socks!
I was hoping someone would notice my awesome socks! haha
@@DerekPaulGuitar that feeling of a fresh pair of socks clicking that overdrive button 😄
@@zedzero77 and not just any socks!!! My special button pushing socks!! 👍
The creamback sounds much better. Way more balanced
Hard to tell when the guitar has been drinking 🤠
Alcoholic guitar! (i push the strings to hard, bad habit i'm trying to break)
Creamback is brighter. After a while you will hate it.. I think the stock speaker will do better when you cranck it up and use it in band playings. More balanced that way.
Could be, the stock speaker is definitely more well rounded, i don't use it for gigs though luckily, cheers!
What about Pedals? Or even a multi effects unit?
I immediately preferred the creamback in all of the clips except the “more gain drive”.
I just ordered an A-Type to replace a creamback. Oops.
I found it great to have both! I have the creamback in a 1x12 cabinet to use when I fancy it :)
@@DerekPaulGuitar That's exactly what I ended up doing. I love being able to quickly switch back and forth between the two. I like the A-Type for cleans and mildly distorted classic tones. Both great speakers with very different voicings.
Thanks for the comparison!
Yea agreed, the A-type is great for cleans and the creamback for me is a more overdriven sound
A type far better more fuller thanks. I I change it be the Jensen N
Thanks for the comment!
The A type sounds way better more natural
Thanks for watching!
7:21 7:40
I must be the only person who thinks the Creambacks are extremely overrated.
It turned that distinctly American-voiced Fender amp into a weaker Vox with a muffled midrange.
I'll never understand why people play a midrange instrument, then scoop it all out. It's kinda like being a bass player who hates bass notes.
I'm a bigger fan of the classic voiced speakers, like the A-Type, V-Type and Vintage 30, with a clear midrange presence.
Great video though.
Appreciate the feedback!! Thanks
@@DerekPaulGuitar I just realized that sounds way more negative than it originally sounded in my head when I typed it, lol.
I can understand why people like the Creamback, I just like a heavy midrange sound in my guitar speakers, but most people seem to be gravitating toward scooped mids these days.
I didn’t mean to sound like I was criticizing your choices or anything. Whatever makes you want to pick up the guitar and play is the right choice for you. Rock on! 🤘
Absolutely no offence taken at all, I always understand that sound is objective, and I agree that the a-type speaker has a fuller sound and the creamback is a little more ‘harsh’ or mid rangey, I think that it’s preferred as will the tubescreamer be in a band setting where the guitar has to punch through, although I’m not a big fan of that particular sound, I’m not settled overall on my ‘tone’ but it’s what I have for now, I’d love to try the tone master imperial or mesa boogie California tweed, anyway… rock on too my friend and stay well 🤘
V's do sound nice and clean. Vintage 30 sounds just a little bit on the tinny side to me. Greenbacks break up just a little too much for me. The Creamback may be the best in between for me.
@Bas Yas excellent comment
I was hoping you were gonna leave the Gen Z cage off
😂
Tone was very noticeable with the More Drive. Favored the Creamback, less shrill
I think I did too, I kept it on the amp, cheers!
To my ear A is way better.
Thanks for the comment Tony!
Excelente el video, pero déjelo mejor con el parlante original. Al creamback le falta carácter y un sonido más grueso. Saludos.
Thanks for the comment! i have the original in a cab to use, so i have best of both worlds, thanks!
Very professional produced video, but with a guitar which is out of tune!
Thanks for the feedback Martin, I’ll be aware of that, cheers!
No distortion please
Yeah..who plays with overdrive and distortion in a real world application 🙄
You didn't have to remove the cage lol
Damnit! i know, realised afterwards lol
No one got any Love for the A Type? ='( under rated speaker.
I agree, fantastic speaker, I’m going to put it in a cab I’m building 👍
@@DerekPaulGuitar I don't know there is something about the way it sounds which I really like but cant put my finger on it, oh yeah loving the socks mate =)\m/ thanks
@@GoldenGateNum9 haha thanks mate, yeah it has a certain sound to it for sure
I know this is pretty advanced, and I had to go to engineering school to learn this highly technical information, but why don't you just lay the amp ON ITS SIDE while you put the 2 top screws in so you wont have to work so hard to "support it"?
LOL. Just kidding. Nice video. You obviously play better than you mechanic.
Could do, or I might just like to make life difficult for myself ;) but cheers, it was my first go, I did it since and used the side method
@@DerekPaulGuitar NP. I wish I could play better and I have someone change my speakers. Cheers.
@@josecunha6974 I hear ya! wish i had better guitar skills and could retain songs, cheers
it went from terrible to really bad. a big improvement.
What amp do you have?
Jensen
Drive and more drive chanels are total garbage
They certainly are!
Yep I had an Amp like this Drive channel was a complete waste of time.
The Type A is by far much better sounding.
Nah you’re deaf