if onix isn't in scarlet/violet or can't become terastalize water type that would be a huge missed opportunity to finally bring the crystal onix into the games
Arecus not getting a Ultimate Form in Pokemon Legends Arceus was a missed opportunity because the only detail we have is in a Pokedex entry saying that Arecus has over 1,000 arms! Seening Arecus in its true form would have been so awesome!
I think it’s better that we didn’t see it. Arceus is literally God so it makes sense that we wouldn’t be able to comprehend it’s true form. Although i agree the origin forms are trash haha
They made Light Toxtricity for the 25th anniversary. They went back to old gimmicks from the TCG and reprinted them with new Pokémon (Zacian Lvl. X, Dragapault Prime, Mimikyu Delta Species)
Speaking of the tcg, another feature in there that seems like it inspired an addition to the main series games would be the delta pokemon. From what I recall, they were basically pokemon with types that were different than what they normally were, and there was a whole storyline within the cards that talked about how they were all found in a specific special region. You could say that this was what eventually brought about regional variants.
You know what’s really funny about you pointing that out Cynadquils line in the delta cards were the ghost/poison/psychic type when those were released. And PLA has Typhlsion become half ghost type
@@digidrveKJ Ghost or Psychic type. That umbrella didn't encompass the Poison type until Gen 4, during Gen 3 it was the Grass type that was the big umbrella that housed bug, poison, and grass. Which is funny because Paldean Wooper and Quagsire are poison typed.
My image for true arceus is the beta sprite. The beta sprite was ethereal, and inconceivable kinda like how God of Judeo-Christian religions is described (this extends to the biblically accurate angels we all know and love) Beta Arceus is also seemingly fluid and that can be interpreted as a being that's omnipresent which is the way I interpret the countless arms. If it had a much more detailed artwork, maybe sprinkle in some nebulas and starfire on it to signify that it is a heavenly being (kinda like league's Aurelion Sol), that it is the one above all
I get you but the judeo Christian god was not ever described as anything like the beta are us sprite. His appearance is never described at all I bribe but man was said to be made in gods image implying god looks like a human and would therefore be bipedal.
I've always interpreted the "Countless Arms" as "Countless Avatars" aka what you catch and meet any time you "meet Arceus". Also in Legends Arceus files, there was a cry (and maybe sprite? I forget) for a Mega Arceus that went unused.
I'm so mad, my ex stepmother threw away my collection years ago. I had dark, light, and other versions of jolteon as well as a ton of other cards, some worth quite a bit today.
@@DeadIris eh it's shorter than typing "the bitch that my dad chose over mom just because she was younger and naive that broke apart my family, caused alot of trauma and in the end cheated on my dad multiple times so even my dad hated her in the end" so ex stepmother is whatever.
One of my favorite instances of this is in Pokémon stadium and Pokémon stadium 2 when you give certain nicknaming conventions to Pokémon it changes their color- but doesn't make them shiny
Light Pokémon! They brought them back in Pokémon GO a few years ago. If you catch and purify a shadow Pokémon it essentially turns into a “light” form with altered stats and a cool glowy white aura around it.
Light Pokémon remind me a lot of purified Pokémon which you can see a lot of in Pokémon Go after purifying a shadow Pokémon. It’s basically the counterpart to them there.
@@swipeslogjack_tgaming9472 "stole" lol. Everything Pokemon in the main series games, trading cards, etc. all comes from other pokemon titles, so it's not stealing when you're pulling directly from source material that was made by the Pokemon Company (partnered with Niantic to make Pokemon Go)
I feel very strongly that what we know as Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark had an even earlier form. My guess is possibly it was fairy type at that point. The dex entries and lore definitely imply this to me.
I'm pretty sure the original forms of Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark are just Unovan Zorua and Zoroark. We know that people inhabit Unova by the time period Legends Arceus takes place in, since Professor Laventon brought an Oshawatt to Hisui, and Unovan Zorua and Zoroark already have mystical powers of illusion. They seem to be in that category of Dark types that are in the type more because people mistrust them than anything they do, like Absol. It's possible that there was another form, but I don't know what piece of lore makes you think it existed or was a fairy type.
@@kimberlyramin the timeline argues that Dark type Zorua and Zoroark came about later, not previously. And certainly not concurrently. If we then allow the Pokédex entries to speak for themselves: Hisuian Zoroark and Zorua came about because of humans abusing it. It died and came back as this form. The abused partly dead form is normal/ghost. It only stands to reason that as time continues it would shift from half ghost to full Dark with continued fear and abuse from humans. Therefore it would also stand to reason that whatever form it was before it was abused and died to become Normal/Ghost, it wasn’t those before. You don’t corrupt a Dark type and make it less Dark. Dark would be the darkest it gets. It makes zero sense to imagine a Dark type Zorua was abused, died, and became less Dark. It only makes sense going the other direction.
@@cairneoleander8130 There isn't really a timeline to argue over, since we don't know the state of affairs in the Unova region during the Hisui period. We know the Sinnoh region's timeline in a very broad, vague sense, but we don't know the wider world's status, including the full list of existing pokemon and forms. As for the typing, Zoroark's line is Dark type because humans mistrust it, in the same way that Absol is Dark type because humans think it causes disasters. Zoroark actually has similar, if more powerful abilities than Stantler, creating illusions and causing confusion. If humans didn't hate Zoroark, it easily could've been Normal or Psychic type. But they do, so humans abused and probably killed a number of the pokemon, resulting in the angriest and most stubborn of them becoming vengeful undead. Ghost type isn't a corruption, it's just the state of lingering after death. Now that Zoroark is undead, it's a ghost type. It's more the normal type that would mean the original wasn't Dark type, which i can believe. I just don't think it would've been Fairy. I think the original Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark were normal types, maybe normal ice. It's possible this was the original species, and events played out differently for it in Unova and Hisui, resulting in the spilt. In Hisui, the pokemon was unable to avoid the exploring members of Galactic, so it created a scary illusion to chase them away. The people then became too scared of the pokemon, their emotions went full circle into hatred, and a decision was made to hunt them so they couldn't hurt them anymore. This resulted in the terrible events that created the Hisuian form we know today. Meanwhile in Unova, the Zoroark may have been better at hiding, or better at creating their illusions, and were able to exist on the periphery of human awareness for a very long time, like those shadows you spot out the corner of your eye, but then you look and it's gone. People became paranoid about the dark forests that zoroark lived in, especially since they could never find their way in certain areas. These emotions were felt and absorbed by the Zoroark of Unova for a long time, and gradually turned them into the Dark type we know now, since again, Dark type isn't exclusively evil, it's also the type of pokemon that are simply mistrusted because of their nature or abilities.
Light Toxtrixity getting a promo card in the 25th anniversary TCG set that's explicitly celebrating every mechanic in the games history makes total sense. We have a Dark Sylveon. An owner's Pokemon. We had a Zacian Lv X. The only thing we didn't get was a new ex, EX and GX card.
I was hoping deltas would be mentioned, but I'm not sure if they're well known or not, they were my introduction to the TCG (and responsible for me being wrong about many types), and they're actually very fascinating because there was a whole lore and region surrounding them with the Holon region! I wonder if that might work for an obscure regions video, Southern Islands is another obscure TCG-only region. I wish they'd do that in the TCG again because as a kid it was fun to piece together this little region that only existed in the card games haha
@@wnrr2696 I don't really know much about the specifics myself other than the basic premise. Was never a huge follwer in the tcg space. Though after some thought I wonder if itwas a source of inspiration for regional forms as it shares the whole "This species has a different type in this region." concept.
This reminds me I have a spiky ear pichu and Pikachu-colored pichu locked away on Soul Silver, because they lose their form if they get moved to another generation.
I wish some future gen will give each Arbok from different regions their corresponding hood. In case some of you don’t know, Arbok have different hoods depending on the region they are from.
Fun fact: the Colorless type in the TCG was given to not just Normal but also _Dragon_ type Pokémon! Early cards like Dratini and its evos were Colorless as well
Square shiny Pokémon are another special shiny that people often don’t know about. In SwSh, there’s a small chance that a shiny Pokémon has “square” sparkles rather than the star shaped ones.
So when it comes to the Colosseum shinys I believe its more of a technical limitation rather then a error by the developers. When it comes to 3D graphics it's not the mesh (the actual 3D model) that has a large file size but rather the textures themselves are. I assume they couldn't justify giving every Pokemon 2 separate textures so most had a filter applied to them or otherwise had their texture changed though code for their shiny forms.
This Shelled Gastrodon sounds a lot like a throwback to the back sprites seen in the Generation 3 games, where its head seems more armoured compared to the two we got today
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My take on Arceus’ true form was always a humanlike bipedal thing. I was inspired by the old Sinnoh myth that humans and Pokemon were once one and the same, and so I think it only makes sense that Arceus would carry the essence of all life with it and be both human and Pokemon.
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I'm sort of surprised with all the talk about the TCG he didn't touch on Delta Pokémon (gaining Steel or Electric type/moves) not to mention the original Pokémon Stadium's 'personalization' colors for nicknamed Pokémon.
I've played Pokemon TCG for many years and I used to collect the cards and I remember the light pokemons, the dark pokemons and the crystal pokemons. I think it would be an interesting concept for a game to have pokemon being either corrupted or purified by dark or light energy (kinda like in Gale of Darkness or Pokemon 4Ever).
I think light pokemon are really similar to totem pokemon, both are coated in the light of the region, which boosts their bulkiness, hp, and doesn't change their appearance other than, well, light
I can defintely imgaine Arceus's true form being like the Beta Version for Arceus that was found in the datamine for Diamond and Pearl since you can't distinguish it's true form as upon trying to will probably kill them
For #4, Light Pokemon kinda exist in Go through purified Pokemon. They have higher base stats and possible CP, can know the powerful move Return, and take 5% less candy to evolve. For #1, they’re hue shifts just like the sprites. But hue shifting for textures is a whole other story than hue shifting pixels.
I think a game with Light/Dark pokemon would be pretty cool. Could have another Black/White situation where both legendaries show up in the main story with your Evil Team Rival getting one. One legendary having the power to corrupt pokemon (Dark) and another that purifies them (Light) depending on which version you get.
The gastrodon sounds like hisuian goodra, it goes from purple to pink and blue makes sense and it has a hard metal shell. Must have just evolved off of it.
Been watching these types of videos for years and still enjoy them even when I know the facts but this was all new to me! Amazing video man keep it up!
If Gastrodon does have an ancient alternate form then Pokemon really missed the mark by not including it in Legends Arceus. Tho I wonder if said form was mistaken by the people of Sinnoh for Goodra.
In regards to Arceus: in Arceus and the jewel of life, Arceus gives a character three of it's plates to make a jewel, the jewel of life which are pieces of arceus's life. Arceus is incomplete without them. Additionally, some dex entries speak of arceus using it's 1000 arms. This suggests that those parts that arceus gave could be like in the movie, or that the arms are the part that are unseen. I therefore don't think arceus giving 'parts' of itself means it has a different form.
Anyone else love that this exclusively pokemon channel is and has always been called "Hoops and Hiphop" but neither of those 2 topics are ever spoken of on the channel?
1) Gastrodon (with a bigger shell) 2) "light" Pokémon from the TCG (opposed to "shadow" Pokémon like from the GameCube game) 3) Arceus (since we have only ever had a fragment of itself, plus in the pokedex it mentions Arceus and its "thousands arms") 4) "Crystal type" Pokémon from the TCG (like the Terastalization in Gen 9?) 5) second type of shiny Pokémon from the GameCube games
I entirely forgot about Light Pokemon, thanks for reminding me. I think I've seen that Light Machamp card artwork somewhere before, but I cannot remember if I actually owned the card at some point in the past, or I saw it in a book or on the Internet and just quickly forgot about it
It would indeed be cool if "second shinies" or alternately colored pokemon were a thing in the mainline pokemon games. One can only hope that it will actually happen in a future pokemon game! If it did happen, that would be a revolutionary pokemon game, and makes it unique in it's own way. If I had to guess where something like that would occur, my guess would be a region of Japan that hasn't been made into a traditional pokemon region yet. Or maybe it would happen on one of those Orange Island equivalents. It would be cool if they made the Orre region a mainline pokemon region. It has a lot of potential. Or if they could rerelease XD Gale of Darkness or Colluseum again on the switch, that would be great. But I guess I shouldn't get my hopes up, as per usual. I suppose as long as they make great pokemon games going forward, I'll be happy.
I have had the same thoughts, they might implement it when they run out of ideas or try to recapture player base. They kinda introduced it with square shinies.
i really wish they'd make light an actual type though tbh. most types that we have have a counterpart or are in a trio of some sorts, and it would fit so perfectly. examples being: fairy/dragon ghost/normal fighting/psychic grass/water/fire.... etc. it only makes sense to have dark/light
Dark is a counterpart to fighting. Dark is based on underhanded or dirty fighting tactics, and is actually “evil” in Japanese. So its match is the heroic fighting type
I'm disappointed that we never saw any other forms of gastrodon because the pokedex entries say they have all different colors and looks depending on the locations and regions but we only ever see the gastrodon from sinnoh...
There’s also some thing like: Faux groudon Faux Kyogre Corrupted celebi(and other dark ball ‘mons) Multiple patterns of arbok Elite fours specially trained Pokémon Thufizer Primal palkia Primal dialga
Imagine if there was a hidden string of codes that demands you to have 32 boxes full of arceus and it would all combine into one and create "true arceus". That would be not only a tedious job to do but would be crazy. Obviously it doesn't exist since we have an awesome team of hackers/dataminers. But just imagine that was a hidden way to get it and had been hidden all this time lol. I miss when games had obscure unlockable secrets
Well the first introduction of crystal pokèmon was in 1999 for me before the tcg released there’s on the crystal onix episode, so I guess people forgot bout that huh. As for the arceus form well bird keeper Toby I do believe came up with a theory on that one, aside from them good vid
It’s almost like they were afraid to go all out with arceus. I would love it if there was an actual present day sinnoh sequel series set in modern day with arceus as one of the featured legendary
I think with XD and colosseum, I believe the devs have never played a Pokémon game before developing those titles(can't remember if it was both or one or the other) so most likely they told the devs that Pokémon can have alternate colours, and since they've never played a Pokémon game before they just went with whatever they thought fit
You missed the Pokémon Stadium 2 alternate shinies! Mewtwo has a black tail and stomach instead of green, and I wish it was the shiny form they went with! Honestly, you could probably do a whole video just on how nicknames affect the coloration of Pokémon in the Stadium games. There's spreadsheets on the Web that show how it works!
From gens 2 to 5, Game Freak made the shiny forms by using a color wheel algorithm, and the company that made Colosseum and XD did the same thing, it just didn't translate well on 3D models, and it was over looked. If they had manually made the shiny models like they did in gen 6, then those exclusive shinies wouldn't exist.
I feel like the Light vs Dark Pokémon is more of a reflection of how the player builds the Pokémon’s move set; with the Light being more defensive and strategic and the Dark being more offensive and unga-bunga beat down.
Technically, there's "Light" pokemon in GO; it's what you get when you purify a shadow pokemon in that game. It's distinct from a non-shadow pokemon, notably.
That wouldn't make sense. The forms are like that because Mt. Coronet divides Sinnoh into an eastern and western half. There's no geographical formation dividing it into north/south. Of course they could always make a region with such a feature, but I doubt they'd do that just to get more Gastrodon forms
I guess it wouldn't be obscure but when you mentioned 2nd shiny forms I thought you were gonna talk about how we're all mad that we still haven't gotten pink Butterfree
The collosem and gale of darkness ones are actually justified. Prior to gen 6, all shinies was designed using an algorythm, which meant that no humans designed them. This applies Colloseum and XD, and because they were in 3d with a different color pallete, the algorythm didn't behave the same and gave most pokemon the wrong coloration
Arceus' alternate form most likely doesn't exist anymore. Many pieces of lore in Legends, especially in the original Japanese game, suggest that the Arceus we catch is indeed a piece of the original, but so are Palkia, Dialga, Arceus, Giratina, Mesprit, Uxie and Azelf. To have an Arceus "Origin Form", if it is even possible, the universe would basically cease to be, as Time and Space would be undone and the Distortion World would merge with the regular universe.
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I think it's important to clarify: colusium and XD are main series pokemon games! Let's get down what a main series game is. A main series game is 1 that you play as a trainer catching pokemon*, filling in a pokedex, & playing through a story. *those pokemon have to be able to be moved to what is now pokemon home. Obvious exceptions for partner pikachu/eevee, scruffy pichu, and cosplay pikachu. With different types of games like sun & moon, PLA, and let's go E/P which each respectively lack gyms, an elite four & badge system at all, & wild encounter battles we need to reclarify and redefine what a main series poke on game is and pokemon colusium and XD are as much a respect to the main series as any of those other deviant games and are actually vital to completing your origional gen 3 pokedexs.
minus colosseum and XD in stadium 1 and 2 there was a possibility of of a shiny to show up mainly in stadium 1 with multiple colored pikachus, and then eggexecute having a graphic error on the "yolk" on the broken egg and loads of others via from the player ID from the games as well as pikachu actually saying it's name in stadium, and stadium 2 if it's the pikachu from yellow put onto the game from the gbpak thingy for the back end of the controller.
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if onix isn't in scarlet/violet or can't become terastalize water type that would be a huge missed opportunity to finally bring the crystal onix into the games
They literally HAVE TO now! They have no choice in the matter 💎 🐍
@@Kento617 actually, they do have the choice to do that or not
i feel like onix is in most regions so itll prolly be there
@@bidoof367 that’s what I’m hoping for. With that Crystal Onix being in the first season, it would just be great for it all to come full circle.
@@Kento617 it was the 2nd season, the orange islands was season 2
Arecus not getting a Ultimate Form in Pokemon Legends Arceus was a missed opportunity because the only detail we have is in a Pokedex entry saying that Arecus has over 1,000 arms! Seening Arecus in its true form would have been so awesome!
The Pokedex also claims Tentacruel has 80 tentacles
@@bri1085 anime has shown really big ones? Maybe?
I think it's possible that Arceus have a form for every gimmick and maybe some other forms it has that aren't tied to any gimmick.
I think it’s better that we didn’t see it. Arceus is literally God so it makes sense that we wouldn’t be able to comprehend it’s true form. Although i agree the origin forms are trash haha
I wrote this before that segment of the video played and then realized hoops basically said this word for word hahaha
They made Light Toxtricity for the 25th anniversary. They went back to old gimmicks from the TCG and reprinted them with new Pokémon (Zacian Lvl. X, Dragapault Prime, Mimikyu Delta Species)
Speaking of the tcg, another feature in there that seems like it inspired an addition to the main series games would be the delta pokemon. From what I recall, they were basically pokemon with types that were different than what they normally were, and there was a whole storyline within the cards that talked about how they were all found in a specific special region. You could say that this was what eventually brought about regional variants.
I got a fire type milotic once and I thought it was a mistake!
That and EX seems to have inspired the frenzied Pokemon in Legends arceus
Me waiting for a delta species main series game in the holon region
You know what’s really funny about you pointing that out Cynadquils line in the delta cards were the ghost/poison/psychic type when those were released. And PLA has Typhlsion become half ghost type
@@digidrveKJ Ghost or Psychic type. That umbrella didn't encompass the Poison type until Gen 4, during Gen 3 it was the Grass type that was the big umbrella that housed bug, poison, and grass.
Which is funny because Paldean Wooper and Quagsire are poison typed.
The ancient gastrodon form is actually such a good idea for a paldean gastrodon since the whole theme is past & future.
Surprised we never got it for legends arceus
What if the form of gastrodon was really hisui Goodra but was thought to be gastrodon
Or as a paradox form
My image for true arceus is the beta sprite. The beta sprite was ethereal, and inconceivable kinda like how God of Judeo-Christian religions is described (this extends to the biblically accurate angels we all know and love)
Beta Arceus is also seemingly fluid and that can be interpreted as a being that's omnipresent which is the way I interpret the countless arms. If it had a much more detailed artwork, maybe sprinkle in some nebulas and starfire on it to signify that it is a heavenly being (kinda like league's Aurelion Sol), that it is the one above all
I get you but the judeo Christian god was not ever described as anything like the beta are us sprite. His appearance is never described at all I bribe but man was said to be made in gods image implying god looks like a human and would therefore be bipedal.
Real missed opportunity for an origin form
I've always interpreted the "Countless Arms" as "Countless Avatars" aka what you catch and meet any time you "meet Arceus". Also in Legends Arceus files, there was a cry (and maybe sprite? I forget) for a Mega Arceus that went unused.
Man, seeing that Dark Jolteon card again reminds me of why Jolteon is my favorite Eeveelution.
I'm so mad, my ex stepmother threw away my collection years ago. I had dark, light, and other versions of jolteon as well as a ton of other cards, some worth quite a bit today.
@@Cowboy-ms4hx you could call her anything other than step mother then.
@@DeadIris eh it's shorter than typing "the bitch that my dad chose over mom just because she was younger and naive that broke apart my family, caused alot of trauma and in the end cheated on my dad multiple times so even my dad hated her in the end" so ex stepmother is whatever.
One of my favorite instances of this is in Pokémon stadium and Pokémon stadium 2 when you give certain nicknaming conventions to Pokémon it changes their color- but doesn't make them shiny
Scyther’s alternate color was red in pokemon stadium and i really wish we got that instead of the shiny we have today, a real missed opportunity
@@greasygurl9386 that’s funny because Scyther canonically (anime) hates the color red and it makes it angry.
This was one of my favorite details Stadium did. I wish they would add it to new games as well.
@@greasygurl9386 Scyther goes rabid over the colour red tho, so it tries to kill Scizor unless they're shiny.
Light Pokémon! They brought them back in Pokémon GO a few years ago. If you catch and purify a shadow Pokémon it essentially turns into a “light” form with altered stats and a cool glowy white aura around it.
I swear us pogo players don’t get enough attention in the Pokémon multiverse
They had "purified" Pokémon in XD Gale of Darkness as well
Light Pokémon remind me a lot of purified Pokémon which you can see a lot of in Pokémon Go after purifying a shadow Pokémon. It’s basically the counterpart to them there.
This is exactly what I was thinking
Also go really stole the mechanic from the old N64 and GCN games
@@swipeslogjack_tgaming9472 "stole" lol. Everything Pokemon in the main series games, trading cards, etc. all comes from other pokemon titles, so it's not stealing when you're pulling directly from source material that was made by the Pokemon Company (partnered with Niantic to make Pokemon Go)
Purified pokemon also have more health
I was hoping that if you get all the Unknown alphabet, you could fuse it to Arceaus to make a ultimate form.
I feel very strongly that what we know as Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark had an even earlier form. My guess is possibly it was fairy type at that point. The dex entries and lore definitely imply this to me.
I'm pretty sure the original forms of Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark are just Unovan Zorua and Zoroark. We know that people inhabit Unova by the time period Legends Arceus takes place in, since Professor Laventon brought an Oshawatt to Hisui, and Unovan Zorua and Zoroark already have mystical powers of illusion. They seem to be in that category of Dark types that are in the type more because people mistrust them than anything they do, like Absol. It's possible that there was another form, but I don't know what piece of lore makes you think it existed or was a fairy type.
@@kimberlyramin the timeline argues that Dark type Zorua and Zoroark came about later, not previously. And certainly not concurrently.
If we then allow the Pokédex entries to speak for themselves:
Hisuian Zoroark and Zorua came about because of humans abusing it. It died and came back as this form. The abused partly dead form is normal/ghost. It only stands to reason that as time continues it would shift from half ghost to full Dark with continued fear and abuse from humans. Therefore it would also stand to reason that whatever form it was before it was abused and died to become Normal/Ghost, it wasn’t those before. You don’t corrupt a Dark type and make it less Dark. Dark would be the darkest it gets. It makes zero sense to imagine a Dark type Zorua was abused, died, and became less Dark. It only makes sense going the other direction.
@@cairneoleander8130 There isn't really a timeline to argue over, since we don't know the state of affairs in the Unova region during the Hisui period. We know the Sinnoh region's timeline in a very broad, vague sense, but we don't know the wider world's status, including the full list of existing pokemon and forms.
As for the typing, Zoroark's line is Dark type because humans mistrust it, in the same way that Absol is Dark type because humans think it causes disasters. Zoroark actually has similar, if more powerful abilities than Stantler, creating illusions and causing confusion. If humans didn't hate Zoroark, it easily could've been Normal or Psychic type. But they do, so humans abused and probably killed a number of the pokemon, resulting in the angriest and most stubborn of them becoming vengeful undead. Ghost type isn't a corruption, it's just the state of lingering after death. Now that Zoroark is undead, it's a ghost type. It's more the normal type that would mean the original wasn't Dark type, which i can believe. I just don't think it would've been Fairy.
I think the original Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark were normal types, maybe normal ice. It's possible this was the original species, and events played out differently for it in Unova and Hisui, resulting in the spilt. In Hisui, the pokemon was unable to avoid the exploring members of Galactic, so it created a scary illusion to chase them away. The people then became too scared of the pokemon, their emotions went full circle into hatred, and a decision was made to hunt them so they couldn't hurt them anymore. This resulted in the terrible events that created the Hisuian form we know today. Meanwhile in Unova, the Zoroark may have been better at hiding, or better at creating their illusions, and were able to exist on the periphery of human awareness for a very long time, like those shadows you spot out the corner of your eye, but then you look and it's gone. People became paranoid about the dark forests that zoroark lived in, especially since they could never find their way in certain areas. These emotions were felt and absorbed by the Zoroark of Unova for a long time, and gradually turned them into the Dark type we know now, since again, Dark type isn't exclusively evil, it's also the type of pokemon that are simply mistrusted because of their nature or abilities.
@@cairneoleander8130 also, I'm sorry my responses are always so long, I just gotta get all my thoughts out at once or I forget them.
Light Toxtrixity getting a promo card in the 25th anniversary TCG set that's explicitly celebrating every mechanic in the games history makes total sense. We have a Dark Sylveon. An owner's Pokemon. We had a Zacian Lv X. The only thing we didn't get was a new ex, EX and GX card.
I was hoping deltas would be mentioned, but I'm not sure if they're well known or not, they were my introduction to the TCG (and responsible for me being wrong about many types), and they're actually very fascinating because there was a whole lore and region surrounding them with the Holon region! I wonder if that might work for an obscure regions video, Southern Islands is another obscure TCG-only region. I wish they'd do that in the TCG again because as a kid it was fun to piece together this little region that only existed in the card games haha
Was that the one with the orange archipelago and that island with pink Pokémon or the giant pokemon one?
@@wnrr2696 You're thinking of the Orange Islands in the anime! This set didn't come with any alternative forms, but the cards had connected artwork
I was wondering if Delta pokemon would have come up as well. I was always fond of delta species as a concept and thought it was really cool.
@@UnclearMotives I am unfamiliar with these
@@wnrr2696 I don't really know much about the specifics myself other than the basic premise. Was never a huge follwer in the tcg space. Though after some thought I wonder if itwas a source of inspiration for regional forms as it shares the whole "This species has a different type in this region." concept.
This reminds me I have a spiky ear pichu and Pikachu-colored pichu locked away on Soul Silver, because they lose their form if they get moved to another generation.
I wish some future gen will give each Arbok from different regions their corresponding hood. In case some of you don’t know, Arbok have different hoods depending on the region they are from.
Except arbok only has one form and zero regional forms
@@JustinAdamson270 Arbok can be done like Vivillon. Nothing but the pattern on his hood is what changes.
@@allhailme8457 oh you want it to be a thing lol I read it as it already was I actually would love that
Fun fact: the Colorless type in the TCG was given to not just Normal but also _Dragon_ type Pokémon! Early cards like Dratini and its evos were Colorless as well
Square shiny Pokémon are another special shiny that people often don’t know about. In SwSh, there’s a small chance that a shiny Pokémon has “square” sparkles rather than the star shaped ones.
It’s a percent chance on a (slightly easier) shiny chance! It’s crazy that square shinies were introduced so nonchalantly
So when it comes to the Colosseum shinys I believe its more of a technical limitation rather then a error by the developers. When it comes to 3D graphics it's not the mesh (the actual 3D model) that has a large file size but rather the textures themselves are. I assume they couldn't justify giving every Pokemon 2 separate textures so most had a filter applied to them or otherwise had their texture changed though code for their shiny forms.
This Shelled Gastrodon sounds a lot like a throwback to the back sprites seen in the Generation 3 games, where its head seems more armoured compared to the two we got today
Except gastrodon isn't gen 3 at all
@@JustinAdamson270 beta content, check bulbapedia
Can we just take a moment to really appreciate the beauty of what Hysherey did for Arceus true form? That is beautiful
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@@chimuoma390 this is a Pokémon video tho so digimon doesn’t matter here
No.
I was interested in it so I searched up other Arceus True Forms.......
Turns out its a mega, still cool tho
My take on Arceus’ true form was always a humanlike bipedal thing. I was inspired by the old Sinnoh myth that humans and Pokemon were once one and the same, and so I think it only makes sense that Arceus would carry the essence of all life with it and be both human and Pokemon.
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I'm sort of surprised with all the talk about the TCG he didn't touch on Delta Pokémon (gaining Steel or Electric type/moves) not to mention the original Pokémon Stadium's 'personalization' colors for nicknamed Pokémon.
I've played Pokemon TCG for many years and I used to collect the cards and I remember the light pokemons, the dark pokemons and the crystal pokemons.
I think it would be an interesting concept for a game to have pokemon being either corrupted or purified by dark or light energy (kinda like in Gale of Darkness or Pokemon 4Ever).
Wasn't there a crystal onyx in the anime?
@@jaye4157 Yes there was. It was season 2 episode 7.
I think light pokemon are really similar to totem pokemon, both are coated in the light of the region, which boosts their bulkiness, hp, and doesn't change their appearance other than, well, light
In the card game there are both dark and light pokemon, not types but something else entirely, I would like to see them in the games.
The form design for the Pokemon looks pretty cool,the entry does give interesting info
I can defintely imgaine Arceus's true form being like the Beta Version for Arceus that was found in the datamine for Diamond and Pearl since you can't distinguish it's true form as upon trying to will probably kill them
In the TCG theirs also Delta pokemon that are Steel Type exclusive mostly, in others the typing do change
Speaking of crystal/terrestalize Pokémon, in the anime there’s a special crystal Onix that lives in the water.
Love that shelled Gastrodon. ❤
If Light pokemon appear one day, it had BETTER be in a remake/revisit of Colosseum & XD, make it so Nintendo!
For #4, Light Pokemon kinda exist in Go through purified Pokemon. They have higher base stats and possible CP, can know the powerful move Return, and take 5% less candy to evolve.
For #1, they’re hue shifts just like the sprites. But hue shifting for textures is a whole other story than hue shifting pixels.
I think a game with Light/Dark pokemon would be pretty cool. Could have another Black/White situation where both legendaries show up in the main story with your Evil Team Rival getting one. One legendary having the power to corrupt pokemon (Dark) and another that purifies them (Light) depending on which version you get.
The gastrodon sounds like hisuian goodra, it goes from purple to pink and blue makes sense and it has a hard metal shell. Must have just evolved off of it.
I was thinking that maybe they’d forgotten Gastrodon and slapped that bit of lore into Hisuian Goodra as I watched this 😂
Been watching these types of videos for years and still enjoy them even when I know the facts but this was all new to me! Amazing video man keep it up!
If Gastrodon does have an ancient alternate form then Pokemon really missed the mark by not including it in Legends Arceus. Tho I wonder if said form was mistaken by the people of Sinnoh for Goodra.
When you talked about the canonical shelled Gastrodon, my first thought was a _conical_ shelled Gastrodon so now that's my head canon
In regards to Arceus: in Arceus and the jewel of life, Arceus gives a character three of it's plates to make a jewel, the jewel of life which are pieces of arceus's life. Arceus is incomplete without them. Additionally, some dex entries speak of arceus using it's 1000 arms. This suggests that those parts that arceus gave could be like in the movie, or that the arms are the part that are unseen. I therefore don't think arceus giving 'parts' of itself means it has a different form.
Anyone else love that this exclusively pokemon channel is and has always been called "Hoops and Hiphop" but neither of those 2 topics are ever spoken of on the channel?
I hope Shellos and Gastrodon get the North and South Sea form as well as the shelled form version, so who knows tbh
Can’t wait for Legenda: Celebi and we get to see Dark Lucia and the Dark bird trio emerge 😍😍😍
So the Arceus we catch was actually just like a zygard core lol
Or A 10% Zygarde
I feel like the Delta Species Pokémon from the TCG need an honorable mention here!
4:07 when I was a kid I had a dark celebi card that was grass type but also counted as dark type.
The theory of Arecus being a hand makes a lot more sense after watching your videos.
Such a missed opportunity for that Gastrodon form to not appear in Legends: Arceus. Would've added one more Hisuian form to the roster.
Oh, the Light Pokémon might be referenced in Purified Shadow Pokémon in Go; they shine with a unique light
He said they're not in the main series
1) Gastrodon (with a bigger shell)
2) "light" Pokémon from the TCG (opposed to "shadow" Pokémon like from the GameCube game)
3) Arceus (since we have only ever had a fragment of itself, plus in the pokedex it mentions Arceus and its "thousands arms")
4) "Crystal type" Pokémon from the TCG (like the Terastalization in Gen 9?)
5) second type of shiny Pokémon from the GameCube games
My friend's older brother had a huge Pokemon card collection that contained tons of light and dark Pokemon! I'm sure he had a couple Crystal ones too!
I entirely forgot about Light Pokemon, thanks for reminding me. I think I've seen that Light Machamp card artwork somewhere before, but I cannot remember if I actually owned the card at some point in the past, or I saw it in a book or on the Internet and just quickly forgot about it
It would indeed be cool if "second shinies" or alternately colored pokemon were a thing in the mainline pokemon games. One can only hope that it will actually happen in a future pokemon game! If it did happen, that would be a revolutionary pokemon game, and makes it unique in it's own way. If I had to guess where something like that would occur, my guess would be a region of Japan that hasn't been made into a traditional pokemon region yet. Or maybe it would happen on one of those Orange Island equivalents. It would be cool if they made the Orre region a mainline pokemon region. It has a lot of potential. Or if they could rerelease XD Gale of Darkness or Colluseum again on the switch, that would be great. But I guess I shouldn't get my hopes up, as per usual. I suppose as long as they make great pokemon games going forward, I'll be happy.
I have had the same thoughts, they might implement it when they run out of ideas or try to recapture player base. They kinda introduced it with square shinies.
i really wish they'd make light an actual type though tbh. most types that we have have a counterpart or are in a trio of some sorts, and it would fit so perfectly. examples being:
fairy/dragon
ghost/normal
fighting/psychic
grass/water/fire.... etc.
it only makes sense to have dark/light
In the games the Fairy type effectively acts as a Light type
Dark is a counterpart to fighting. Dark is based on underhanded or dirty fighting tactics, and is actually “evil” in Japanese. So its match is the heroic fighting type
The true form of arceus was probably shown as the ball of light at the beginning of the game
I'm disappointed that we never saw any other forms of gastrodon because the pokedex entries say they have all different colors and looks depending on the locations and regions but we only ever see the gastrodon from sinnoh...
The bike theme song is great. Thanks for making it.
If you’re comparing Terastal to crystal pokemon, there’s yet another easy connection. Delta Pokémon. Literally the same type changing ability.
Lol you almost got be there towards the end! Thought you were going to say square shinies
There’s also some thing like:
Faux groudon
Faux Kyogre
Corrupted celebi(and other dark ball ‘mons)
Multiple patterns of arbok
Elite fours specially trained Pokémon
Thufizer
Primal palkia
Primal dialga
Delta Pokemon from the TCG. One of my all time favorite concepts.
I think it’s safe to say that the Arceus we see is just a physical extension of its entirety.
They just wanted to make Diglett a pickle.
Imagine if there was a hidden string of codes that demands you to have 32 boxes full of arceus and it would all combine into one and create "true arceus". That would be not only a tedious job to do but would be crazy. Obviously it doesn't exist since we have an awesome team of hackers/dataminers. But just imagine that was a hidden way to get it and had been hidden all this time lol. I miss when games had obscure unlockable secrets
It was a big let down that they did not show the ancient shelldon in legends.
i’m surprised that shelled gastrodon didn’t appear in legends arceus!
Well the first introduction of crystal pokèmon was in 1999 for me before the tcg released there’s on the crystal onix episode, so I guess people forgot bout that huh. As for the arceus form well bird keeper Toby I do believe came up with a theory on that one, aside from them good vid
“Hey we got our new Pokémon games taking place in ancient sinnoh , should we give gastrodon its shell ?”
“Nah give it to Goodra”
All these forms are interesting. I would like to see Arceus true form in a Pokémon game.
It’s almost like they were afraid to go all out with arceus. I would love it if there was an actual present day sinnoh sequel series set in modern day with arceus as one of the featured legendary
I think with XD and colosseum, I believe the devs have never played a Pokémon game before developing those titles(can't remember if it was both or one or the other) so most likely they told the devs that Pokémon can have alternate colours, and since they've never played a Pokémon game before they just went with whatever they thought fit
What if Lumina phomonimon are light Pokemon from the new Pokemon Snap?
A second shiny form or RANDOMISED shinys with differences would be epic.
12:48 Your Diglett evolved into Larry the Cucumber!
You missed the Pokémon Stadium 2 alternate shinies! Mewtwo has a black tail and stomach instead of green, and I wish it was the shiny form they went with!
Honestly, you could probably do a whole video just on how nicknames affect the coloration of Pokémon in the Stadium games. There's spreadsheets on the Web that show how it works!
The phrase "over 20 years ago in 2001" hit me like a freight train
From gens 2 to 5, Game Freak made the shiny forms by using a color wheel algorithm, and the company that made Colosseum and XD did the same thing, it just didn't translate well on 3D models, and it was over looked. If they had manually made the shiny models like they did in gen 6, then those exclusive shinies wouldn't exist.
It was already disproven that GF used some kind of algorithm for the shiny colorations.
My pokesona as a child to adulthood was a gray Sandshrew and it took me until last year to realize it was gen2 and colosseum shiny.
I feel like the Light vs Dark Pokémon is more of a reflection of how the player builds the Pokémon’s move set; with the Light being more defensive and strategic and the Dark being more offensive and unga-bunga beat down.
Gastrdon with a shell reminds me a bit of how Slugma evolves into Magcargo, and gains a shell made from molten rock.
The gastrodon one makes me wonder if there was a connection between them & the sligoo line
Technically, there's "Light" pokemon in GO; it's what you get when you purify a shadow pokemon in that game. It's distinct from a non-shadow pokemon, notably.
North Sea & South Sea Shellos & Gastrodon needs to happen
That wouldn't make sense. The forms are like that because Mt. Coronet divides Sinnoh into an eastern and western half. There's no geographical formation dividing it into north/south.
Of course they could always make a region with such a feature, but I doubt they'd do that just to get more Gastrodon forms
@@asterlyons8564 Who said it has to be in Sinnoh
I never did know about Crystal Pokemon, but I knew the idea had to come from somewhere
I can't be the only one that thinks The cyndaquil line shiny forms in colosseum are insanely good looking.
With Arceus that makes perfect sense. Arceus is above all pokemon so the thought of being able to REALY catch it is ludicrous.
I think a very obscure form of a pokemon would be cannon forme golurk
Is that when it flies like a rocket?
❤I really like this video! besides only a possibility of a game giveaway. what if we already support your Spotify? either way great work
I turned myself into a pickle, Trainer! I'm Picklett!
Light pokemon didn’t even really make sense 20 years ago either 😂 No explanation was given for them, we just had to accept it.
How funny would it be if the shelled gastrodon actually ended being hisuian goodra and the one who wrote the info was prof. Laventon
I guess it wouldn't be obscure but when you mentioned 2nd shiny forms I thought you were gonna talk about how we're all mad that we still haven't gotten pink Butterfree
The collosem and gale of darkness ones are actually justified. Prior to gen 6, all shinies was designed using an algorythm, which meant that no humans designed them. This applies Colloseum and XD, and because they were in 3d with a different color pallete, the algorythm didn't behave the same and gave most pokemon the wrong coloration
Arceus' alternate form most likely doesn't exist anymore. Many pieces of lore in Legends, especially in the original Japanese game, suggest that the Arceus we catch is indeed a piece of the original, but so are Palkia, Dialga, Arceus, Giratina, Mesprit, Uxie and Azelf. To have an Arceus "Origin Form", if it is even possible, the universe would basically cease to be, as Time and Space would be undone and the Distortion World would merge with the regular universe.
I’m gonna stop you right there the inspiration for Terastilization wasn’t Crystal Pokémon it was Paper Mario Sticker Star.
I made a “light” form in a fan made game concept I’ve been working on for a while lol
I've been listening to your remixes and I have to say N's Farewell has to be my favorite. Love your videos and keep up the good work. I would also love if you could react to some Australia based regions I would love it. Bye
Pretty sure that the hisuian Goodra was a refrence to the shelled gastrodon.
we have to remember that Corphish has another variant mentioned in the pokedex
I think it's important to clarify: colusium and XD are main series pokemon games!
Let's get down what a main series game is.
A main series game is 1 that you play as a trainer catching pokemon*, filling in a pokedex, & playing through a story.
*those pokemon have to be able to be moved to what is now pokemon home. Obvious exceptions for partner pikachu/eevee, scruffy pichu, and cosplay pikachu.
With different types of games like sun & moon, PLA, and let's go E/P which each respectively lack gyms, an elite four & badge system at all, & wild encounter battles we need to reclarify and redefine what a main series poke on game is and pokemon colusium and XD are as much a respect to the main series as any of those other deviant games and are actually vital to completing your origional gen 3 pokedexs.
minus colosseum and XD in stadium 1 and 2 there was a possibility of of a shiny to show up mainly in stadium 1 with multiple colored pikachus, and then eggexecute having a graphic error on the "yolk" on the broken egg and loads of others via from the player ID from the games as well as pikachu actually saying it's name in stadium, and stadium 2 if it's the pikachu from yellow put onto the game from the gbpak thingy for the back end of the controller.