I was thinking the same thing. This would be great to put on the outside of the table to hold dice and tape measures for while playing games which fill the gaming space like Warhammer or Bolt Action
I think the "Tool Bar" thing needs to sit flush with the lip of the table. It being recessed from the lip and having that little drop down removes so much utility that could be had if it "extended" the existing surface out over the playing area. It would even maybe be big enough at that point combining the lip and the bar that it could fit a full size binder laying down for people's character sheets and whatnot. Just my opinion.
@@HighInquisitor35 That would be a nice boon for people looking to use it either as a tabletop, or for holding bits. I imagine a bit more cost involved/weight though.
Personally, I'll never buy one since I don't need/want one, but it is just so fun to watch every video. I don't even like table top gaming lol. The table and accessories are all too neatly organized for my liking. If my work station isn't in complete chaos then something is wrong or I just cleaned it and haven't touched it since then. also I can't afford it either right now rip
4:33 - Doug is absolutely correct. Having a versatile accessory like that is big enough to be a "catchall" is a great idea and needed at D&D games. Most of the other accessories don't account for note taking.
Tracker Module: Don't have horizontal dials at all. Through-cut the piece and mount vertically spinning wheel-style dials on a blind-drilled rod. Have each 'wheel' index magnetically, and they line up sequentially, like a padlock. You get more digits (dials) this way for the same surface area, and it's open to both sides of the tile so it can be flipped without moving any other pieces around.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm having trouble visualizing this, but if the dial were accessible from both sides then would the numbers be upside down on one side?
Doug is spot on. General/utilitarian, can do almost anything items, especially bigger, are more useful. As to a name, no fraking clue. Gamer's Wood Extension might sound kind of silly. :P Grats, on the baby Jason. December is the month to be born. ^_^ But um....Gus? Well, there are way worse names, so fair enough.
The trough supports people who already have purchased dice trays and stuff. I don't need/want another tray, I have one. I want space for the stuff i already own
One of the selling points of the "Tool Bar" would be having that higher back wall. It gives me a surface to bounce dice off of without worrying about them skipping off into the table. If i'm using it for crafts, that higher wall let's me keep more stuff on the Tool Bar and just remove the entire module without having to empty it. It sort of becomes a "Tool Box" instead of a "Tool Bar" at that point. I can just grab the entire box and slap it into my table and i'm ready for whatever craft/game I have stuffed in there.
As Bobby pointed out in the video, that surface is great for neatly laying out and organizing all the pieces for someone dismantling a knife or other creative activities. Wyrmwood already makes Rolling Trays, so clearly this should be called a "Knolling Tray"
when you introduced the trough / utility tray.. immediately that was the item out of this set that I wanted to get. definitely what i'm going to be ordering once its available.
As someone who has yet to lock in my MGT the trough or tool tray or whatever it gets called is 100% going on the top of my list for accessories i will purchase probably over even the player desk
That tray, if the surface could be brought flush with the table sides would be a fantastic solution to have the extra room for character sheets, and pencils and dice and everything. Absolutely interested in seeing it developed further. Nicer than having to get x number of player desks
The Hobby Tray/Gaming Trough is a BIG WIN, that screams being a standard accessory purchase for EVERYONE because of how useful it is in so many ways. I love when yall just work the problems out like this!
not sure of the dimensions on the Tool Bar, but looks a bit narrow on the video. Suggestions: 1. increase depth to allow enough space (including the table sides) to fit a standard sheet of paper without overhang on the table edge. 2. add accessory rail to the backside edge for further modularity
As soon as Doug mentioned quilting I could suddenly see so many more uses for the ‘trough’, like puzzle piece sorting and sewing or painting tools. Expanding out of gaming uses is a great idea and I loved the name hobby tray.
Talking to the camera is good and natural at this point for many of the folks you film so just do it. If the goal was to make viewers feel as present at the meetings as possible, it is a natural addition.
Here are some terrible names so you guys can feel better - Trayble Top - MGT Extendinator - MGTMGT (Modular Gaming Table's More Gaming Tray) - The Trench - The Doug Ditch - Flatter Platter - D:\\MGT\Desktop There now whatever you came up with beats the wyrmlings (unless someone made a really good suggestion)
When I ordered my table I thought the player desks were too big for my use, and hard to get to play table for shorter players/kids. I was thinking of making something exactly like that trough. That's exactly the accessory I'm looking for. It also should have card slots, a few accessory cut outs, pen slot, etc. And maybe an accessory slot on the outside so it could set into the inside rail and then still have another tray or accessory on the outside. I wonder if that is too much torque to support. Very interesting, but with or without rail, that's what I'm looking for.
Love the concept of the like "utility tray" type piece, I can definitely see myself using it as a way of allowing certain players to have tablets or laptops out along with housing dice, pencils, sheets, spell cards, minis... Really versatile
I have gotten so much better at communicating in my business just by watching you guys brainstorm in these videos. Thank you guys for being willing to show the process
The "tool bar" has an interesting value proposition for ttrpgs. Personally, I have always looked at the MGT from a DnD perspective and wondered "where would players/DM's put their stuff, though?" There was a desk accessory that seemed like it could do the job, but this is an interesting g alternative. The biggest thing I'd like to see in these videos, though, is how multiple Tool Bars affect the overall footprint of the table. In the video, just one was substantial in size (part of the attraction), but what happens when a DM and four players are all slapping one on for personal use around the inside of the table? Let's say that's two on a side and one an end. How much "available" table is left for the actual game? What happens if the Tool Bar attaches to the outside instead? Is table accessibility now an issue? Curious to see where this goes!
So no more stackable dice tower? That’s a shame I was really looking forward to making a huge tower and thought it was a better concept than the current magnetic tower.
The sound of the stacked tower is so much more satisfying. It truly sounds like an avalanche of death marching over your enemies. Or the wildebeasts stampeding over Mufasa in the gorge.
@@stewartsmalls2024 lol EXACTLY! The sound of those dice barreling down to the bottom was therapeutic. Definitely made it a lot more suspenseful and entertaining.
RE: the card holder. I think the SHAPE of the old one is phenomenal compared to the new. Why not just eliminate the pivoting aspect, and maybe the connection to the table a bit wider? For the tool shelf accessory, i like it, but my one note is i think it would benefit from being proud of, or flush with the tables' armrest. If it dips down, that edge becomes an obstacle to work around when actually using it to write in, work on, etc.
@@hopkinssm1 I feel like being an interior piece it would be easy to see other players cards. The fan only works when you keep cards near your body as every 5 year old will remind you. It should be an exterior piece except then the curve is funky and backwards. Better a square piece with a card placement curve. Maybe add an indent or felt for a draw pile or for non-fan card use?
Agreed, MGT Tool Bar sounds great. Either that or something like "The MGT Utility Bar", like Batmans Utility Belt. One bar for all your gaming and entertainment needs.
As a fellow business owner it is great to watch working through problem solving. Great communication and more importantly listening skills on your team.
as a factory worker, I am so glad to see you consulting the guys who will have to build stuff when you need to. far too often places fail to consider ease of manufacture in there product designs.
Corner clip for the Hex Tower! 5:20 Role straight out onto the table, or into a tray. No cluncky attachment plate or space lost on the inner rail, but still retains stability. (The Corner can be sketchy without anything holding it.) Probably clips on to the outside rail somehow to not interfere with the corner tray. Just a thought that came to mind.
Not all that into RPG and tabletops (although I want to get into more of them in the future) but development of game tables like this has peaked my interest in recent months. But, as a product designer myself, I loooooooove watching others work through the creative process and how ideas turn from concepts to final products. Keep this content up, its really compelling.
Hey guys, A+ on your brainstorming process. You work well together. Now I'm going to look at your whole product line, because I know you put a lot of thought into developing it.
Loved watching Dale running the production possibilities thru in his head and you could tell he was already considering what problems the machine would give him with such tight tolerances : )
I think with the “hobby tray” it could definitely have steps milled into a single piece of lumber, like what they were talking about at the very end of the video. However, one thing I would look into would be two steps of milling so it has the tongue to hook into the accessory rail, the shelf itself would be flush with the top of the edge to maximize usable real estate, which could also minimize the amount hangin over the game space. And the magnetic sides could hook over the table edge and extend all the way to the outer edge of the table.
Like the idea of Wyrmwood Work Tray (Shelf) but (as its modular) lessen the width. In a similar thought to the hex tray holder, could you have shelves that are themselves modular and have ends. Also mean you could introduce different types etc.
I think Bobby hit the name first shot; The MGT Toolbar, or something along those lines. You can use it as a general wide tabletop surface, whether you're a DM wanting a open platform, or you're a player with lot of individual components. A reason to keep the back lip higher might be to explore the option of allowing other MGT modules to clip on, facing whomever is using it; if you don't need to use all of the space, you can attach the specialized modules, facing you. That doubles the name "Toolbar"; you can add whatever apps/widgets to a computer toolbar, or leave it blank.
I’m sure I’m not the only one who was checking out the wood in the background and dreaming of things you could do with it if you had access to their shop. Also memories came back to when I got to rearrange the stock shelving in our shop, it’s identical to WW’s stock shelves
I like Bobby's suggested change to the craft utility tray. When Doug was extolling it's uses I was sitting there going "yeah it's useful but it's way to tall, it will get in the way of accessing the table surface". Cut it down to about a lip that's about the width of a pencil and it will do everything you need it to do, without getting more in the way of actually using the table.
Loved the narrative arc for Bobby in this video. 0:26 Bobby: I'm on the design team now? Doug: Uh.....we don't really have an option 12:12 Doug: Bobby got it [...] Gold star for Bobby! Bobby: Ding! :-D
I'd like to point out that even people who get a MGT would probably keep the toppers on for non-gaming related things rather than getting an additional toolbar. For gaming purposes it is kind of competing with the player desk system you already have.
However, this shelf would be a good opportunity for those that don't want to buy the toppers....the cost of those toppers really made it difficult to purchase
2:59 The “trough”. First thing I thought is book holder. Then I thought Tablet/ipad holder. It puts it low enough I can see over it to the main table/minis setup during rpg.
That tower looks great and has an interesting purpose, to turn and roll into various table accessories, but to me, it doesn't seem like a Wyrmwood product. If it was stand-alone, like the other tower, and still able to add more height, I think it could be great.
I agree. Another option, though I don't know how cohesive it would be for the whole system, is to create a stacking "riser" that goes underneath the base of the tower that allows people to raise the tower up to the level required to roll into one of the rail-mounted rolling trays. Then the tower assembly just sits inside the table vault.
Honestly, even from a gaming standpoint I really like the 'hobby shelf'. I handwrite pages upon pages of notes for about 4 games a week and having the extra space for pens/pencils, notebooks, and a character sheet would be fan-freaking-tastic. Also a huge fan of the game deck, have that for the DM. Wasn't a fan of the lap desk because it was too clunky and specific of a layout, I like the simple space of the hobby shelf so I can place things however I want.
tool bar is awesome, i like that it fits the player desk. It would also be a great mounting place for a DM screen instead of having to use the game deck or topper section. get all that stuff up out of the way so large maps can just be under it
stackable dice towers....i said before in the other video on them that you can sell stacks with different images engraved in them (upscale them). one stack can be heads, one stack can be torsos, one stack lower body. each side is a different image, so you can rotate each stack and create a unique monster. or create designs that mesh well no matter how you rotate the stacks.
I don't even own a WW table and the tray thing is an awesome idea. Especially its ability to snap on the outside edge of the table. That gives you a perfect place for decks and resources that clutter the play area. Perfect place for snacks as well!
Units need to be slightly raised on a simple jointed arm that allows them to swing out of the way (perpendicular to the table border) to open up the board space when not in use.
The word "Pocket" comes to mind when I look at the trough. If you're going to make it more specific to gamers, you could call it the Modular Gaming Pocket (MGP). If you're going with a generic/everything utilization, you could call it the Hobby Pocket. Hobbiest Pocket or Hobbiest Hole could work too. Hobbiest Nook Gamers Hollow Modular Gaming Hollow (MGH)
The "MGT Tool Bar" could comme with different inlay for those that want it flush with the table. You were talking about of taking appart a knife for maintenance. In could be useful to have an inlay or someting to secure the tiny screws or just making sure that things do not roll all over the place. Just some slot or holes that could be cut on the press for leather.
Doug is 100% on the long tray, my wife and i were both all about that to go with our Liliput. Shes a Knitter and instantly came up with a ton of ideas for it, and told me a few uses for myself too, i would absolutely get that if it went into production
Everything Doug is pitching on the MGT accessories is all worth buying. The big add on could be used by people coming over and having their own dice trays, laptops, and dice towers to use while playing D&D. I can also see a DM using that in collab with the corner dice tray and swivel dice tower. That way a DM can have his dice off to the side and roll without having it all over his notes and paper work.
I like the "Table Trough". It's like the "Game Deck" for players instead of the DM. The "Game Deck" provides enough room for the DM screen and all their DM supplies while the, what I'll call the "Game Deck Mini", provides the room needed by players for their dice tray, towers, reference books, and note taking.
I dont own a gaming table or any wyrmwood products (yet), but the moment that tool table came out, all I could think about is the number of artists who would probably appreciate a proper surface area for them to draw while they play.
the "tool bar" would be great for D&D people that use tablets and dont want to use a player desk. I personally would refer that over the player desk myself
So just got my Thief vault and tray, just wanted to say thanks to Wyrmwood and specifically DS and Jones as those are the names on the boxes, they turned out great, can't wait to put them through the paces over the holidays.
The large tray is nice but it feels like it's its own system in the making. You can have slots for coasters, a slot for cards, slots for containers for game bits, displays for miniatures, etc. I'd definitely love to see the next form of that shelf but it does feel like something "different" from the curved accessories.
I think Bobby nailed it twice there. One solid piece and calling it the tool bar is great. Maybe you can even sell felt / leather inserts that fit the inner area
The love the game trough, even the name. As a GM especially, it's always better to have large, flat areas that are reasonably hidden from players. I think a card line along the top would be great. You could display stuff on index cards like character names, initiative order, etc.
Alwyas loved this segment because you have Doug a family guy vs Bobby & Jason without children trying to figure out something meant more for anyone thats not them
Just binged watched all 9 seasons of Wyrmlife. I’m a bit sad now that I have to wait for episodes lol anyways keep up the great content guys. Merry Christmas! 🎅🏼
The end caps on the utility board look like the combo measuring tools for 40k, that what they need to do. Mark them up and have a 6-inch side, 4-inch side, 2-inch side, and a 1-inch side.
Couple of thoughts: - Would anyone connect two? Although nice, just having fixed end plates would save on a lot of production steps. - The board should be flush with the edge of the table, that would make for a lot more usable surface. - The 'lip' seems a bit too high, could easily be halved and still be functional. - CNC a small bowl on both sides would make for better storage of small items.
if the inside dial version is sized so when it's placed on the outside the dials are at most half covered by the lip, I think that's still functional, it might be nice and discrete/un-obtrusive
I like something like MGT Utility Tray. Calling it a Toolbar starts to give a connotation of what it's for, when its more versatile than just tools. Also, as someone who didn't buy the other modular accessories, I appreciate the non-funky shaped cup holders!
@4:26 My DM and fiance wants the trough (the shelf) because he can put all of his DM stuff within it, especially with a small table. the gap underneath can be used to put minis under. if there's a slot thick enough, not only can it hold cards, but maybe a standard cardboard DM screen? (Can you sell a DM screen? lol) It's also good for leveling out the table edge for bigger books such as the DM guide or a player's handbook. Have it with a leather topper and you sold us.
I love seeing the business development side of things. When Doug flipped over the dial tray it made me think "oh man, that would be badass if one accessory had two features depending on the orientation." Considering modularity, I think that would be a compelling idea that would both reduce the number of individualized items for yall to create while giving the customer a great sense of value. Why not have the divet tray on one side and a cardholder on the other? I love all the unique ideas for accessories, but as Jason said, some of them are competing with other products or solving a problem that doesn't exist. I think the reverse side of the accessories is something that should be considered as usable space as well.
As someone who bought a war gaming table, that "MGT Tool Bar" is exactly what I want
These accessories will launch before I get my war gaming table.
same boat, and I agree, would buy a bunch
My immediate thought was "I need that"
and the name is perfect
I was thinking the same thing. This would be great to put on the outside of the table to hold dice and tape measures for while playing games which fill the gaming space like Warhammer or Bolt Action
I think the "Tool Bar" thing needs to sit flush with the lip of the table. It being recessed from the lip and having that little drop down removes so much utility that could be had if it "extended" the existing surface out over the playing area. It would even maybe be big enough at that point combining the lip and the bar that it could fit a full size binder laying down for people's character sheets and whatnot. Just my opinion.
Trouble with it being flush it stuff will roll off / out of it.
I think a good solution is make it so if you flip it over it becomes flush with the table side so you can put paper on it or something
@@HighInquisitor35 That would be a nice boon for people looking to use it either as a tabletop, or for holding bits.
I imagine a bit more cost involved/weight though.
@@HighInquisitor35 Actually yeah, that would be perfect. Although it might make it harder to manufacture so I don't know if it's feasible.
if the left 30% of the tray remained recessed and maybe felted, the rest being flush with the top would be beautiful.
Me being genuinely invested in watching these people develop a table I will never be able to afford
I truely feel your pain, for me to afford even the cheapest table they have will cost me a chunk of my liver for a rich guys transplant XD
Those of us that can afford won't ever get. Because they can't deliver....
Even basic things are harder to get now with the exchange rate and postage
Personally, I'll never buy one since I don't need/want one, but it is just so fun to watch every video. I don't even like table top gaming lol.
The table and accessories are all too neatly organized for my liking. If my work station isn't in complete chaos then something is wrong or I just cleaned it and haven't touched it since then.
also I can't afford it either right now rip
It's almost as if only people who Wyrmwood sponsor can afford Wyrmwood ...
The counter could have card slots and it would be great for MtG.
douge actually mentioned addign a card slot along the back splash
really makes sense let them lean on the back
Big true that would actually be awesome
4:33 - Doug is absolutely correct. Having a versatile accessory like that is big enough to be a "catchall" is a great idea and needed at D&D games. Most of the other accessories don't account for note taking.
Catchall ain't a bad name...
Tracker Module: Don't have horizontal dials at all. Through-cut the piece and mount vertically spinning wheel-style dials on a blind-drilled rod. Have each 'wheel' index magnetically, and they line up sequentially, like a padlock. You get more digits (dials) this way for the same surface area, and it's open to both sides of the tile so it can be flipped without moving any other pieces around.
+
Ding.
that would be dope
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm having trouble visualizing this, but if the dial were accessible from both sides then would the numbers be upside down on one side?
@@greyborg3846 Think of it like turning the page of a book
“MGT Tool bar” has a nice ring to it…
MGTool Bar, even
The big tray could be used to house puzzle pieces while keeping the center of the table free for building the puzzle!
This is such a good call. I'll be using my MGT for puzzles sometimes and this is huge
Doug is spot on. General/utilitarian, can do almost anything items, especially bigger, are more useful. As to a name, no fraking clue. Gamer's Wood Extension might sound kind of silly. :P
Grats, on the baby Jason. December is the month to be born. ^_^ But um....Gus? Well, there are way worse names, so fair enough.
The Toolbar is a perfect name.
The trough supports people who already have purchased dice trays and stuff. I don't need/want another tray, I have one. I want space for the stuff i already own
Also congrats, Jason!
ooo especially if the hexy tabetop tiles fit
Love the idea of the “Tool Bar” or “the Shelf”
love "the shelf"
One of the selling points of the "Tool Bar" would be having that higher back wall. It gives me a surface to bounce dice off of without worrying about them skipping off into the table. If i'm using it for crafts, that higher wall let's me keep more stuff on the Tool Bar and just remove the entire module without having to empty it. It sort of becomes a "Tool Box" instead of a "Tool Bar" at that point. I can just grab the entire box and slap it into my table and i'm ready for whatever craft/game I have stuffed in there.
Doug is right! I love the MGT Toolbar! Would purchase.
I agree with Doug, I would get the gaming trough if I had the table. It would be great for players, DMs, and wargames.
As Bobby pointed out in the video, that surface is great for neatly laying out and organizing all the pieces for someone dismantling a knife or other creative activities. Wyrmwood already makes Rolling Trays, so clearly this should be called a "Knolling Tray"
the long cut of repeated clips of dale turning over the trough is so good
Utility tray should b in 2 foot increments so it goes well on the sides
or one foot and magnetted together
Does that include the magnetic end caps? or without?
when you introduced the trough / utility tray.. immediately that was the item out of this set that I wanted to get. definitely what i'm going to be ordering once its available.
In line with the “Game Deck” it could be called the “Game Shelf”
As someone who has yet to lock in my MGT the trough or tool tray or whatever it gets called is 100% going on the top of my list for accessories i will purchase probably over even the player desk
That tray, if the surface could be brought flush with the table sides would be a fantastic solution to have the extra room for character sheets, and pencils and dice and everything. Absolutely interested in seeing it developed further. Nicer than having to get x number of player desks
Especially if you have limited around table space for player desks to fit
The Hobby Tray/Gaming Trough is a BIG WIN, that screams being a standard accessory purchase for EVERYONE because of how useful it is in so many ways. I love when yall just work the problems out like this!
not sure of the dimensions on the Tool Bar, but looks a bit narrow on the video. Suggestions: 1. increase depth to allow enough space (including the table sides) to fit a standard sheet of paper without overhang on the table edge. 2. add accessory rail to the backside edge for further modularity
The first thing that popped in my head was "the Jack of all Trays" multi purposed 🤷🏻♂️ nice episode once again guys!
Doug gets me, he really gets me 4:43 I love the giant "MGT Toolbar". Definitely a must have accessory.
As soon as Doug mentioned quilting I could suddenly see so many more uses for the ‘trough’, like puzzle piece sorting and sewing or painting tools. Expanding out of gaming uses is a great idea and I loved the name hobby tray.
Talking to the camera is good and natural at this point for many of the folks you film so just do it. If the goal was to make viewers feel as present at the meetings as possible, it is a natural addition.
Here are some terrible names so you guys can feel better
- Trayble Top
- MGT Extendinator
- MGTMGT (Modular Gaming Table's More Gaming Tray)
- The Trench
- The Doug Ditch
- Flatter Platter
- D:\\MGT\Desktop
There now whatever you came up with beats the wyrmlings (unless someone made a really good suggestion)
Also:
- MySpace extender
- Player surface pro
“The Lair” - a place for your Wyrmlings to stash their hoard.
When I ordered my table I thought the player desks were too big for my use, and hard to get to play table for shorter players/kids. I was thinking of making something exactly like that trough. That's exactly the accessory I'm looking for. It also should have card slots, a few accessory cut outs, pen slot, etc. And maybe an accessory slot on the outside so it could set into the inside rail and then still have another tray or accessory on the outside. I wonder if that is too much torque to support. Very interesting, but with or without rail, that's what I'm looking for.
Yes! Nix the 5 accessories placed together and make the one board truly multi-functional…including a dice tower base!
Love the concept of the like "utility tray" type piece, I can definitely see myself using it as a way of allowing certain players to have tablets or laptops out along with housing dice, pencils, sheets, spell cards, minis... Really versatile
I have gotten so much better at communicating in my business just by watching you guys brainstorm in these videos. Thank you guys for being willing to show the process
I love how when they're talking about how unclear the trough is for its purpose it's like... Sirs, you are describing a table
The "tool bar" has an interesting value proposition for ttrpgs. Personally, I have always looked at the MGT from a DnD perspective and wondered "where would players/DM's put their stuff, though?" There was a desk accessory that seemed like it could do the job, but this is an interesting g alternative.
The biggest thing I'd like to see in these videos, though, is how multiple Tool Bars affect the overall footprint of the table. In the video, just one was substantial in size (part of the attraction), but what happens when a DM and four players are all slapping one on for personal use around the inside of the table? Let's say that's two on a side and one an end. How much "available" table is left for the actual game? What happens if the Tool Bar attaches to the outside instead? Is table accessibility now an issue? Curious to see where this goes!
Tray of holding.
Junk bunk.
Clutter caddy.
Kit catcher.
Hobby tray.
I love this channel so much, happy holidays!
So no more stackable dice tower? That’s a shame I was really looking forward to making a huge tower and thought it was a better concept than the current magnetic tower.
I think stackable dice tower is still being considered, just not a magnetic one for the table.
The sound of the stacked tower is so much more satisfying. It truly sounds like an avalanche of death marching over your enemies. Or the wildebeasts stampeding over Mufasa in the gorge.
@@stewartsmalls2024 lol EXACTLY! The sound of those dice barreling down to the bottom was therapeutic. Definitely made it a lot more suspenseful and entertaining.
RE: the card holder. I think the SHAPE of the old one is phenomenal compared to the new. Why not just eliminate the pivoting aspect, and maybe the connection to the table a bit wider?
For the tool shelf accessory, i like it, but my one note is i think it would benefit from being proud of, or flush with the tables' armrest. If it dips down, that edge becomes an obstacle to work around when actually using it to write in, work on, etc.
I think the curved aspect was one thing I liked about the old cardholder. It allows you to angle your cards from accidental view of those near you
@@hopkinssm1 I feel like being an interior piece it would be easy to see other players cards. The fan only works when you keep cards near your body as every 5 year old will remind you. It should be an exterior piece except then the curve is funky and backwards. Better a square piece with a card placement curve. Maybe add an indent or felt for a draw pile or for non-fan card use?
Agreed, MGT Tool Bar sounds great. Either that or something like "The MGT Utility Bar", like Batmans Utility Belt. One bar for all your gaming and entertainment needs.
As a fellow business owner it is great to watch working through problem solving. Great communication and more importantly listening skills on your team.
Watching you guys riffing on table accessories is seriously fucking compelling! I’m fully invested at this point.
"Utilitray" Utilitarian name for a utilitarian tray.
I love that Bennett has a well thought out reasonable answer for every question Doug asks. He's stellar!
If the trough can sit flush with the edges of the table, my instinct is that it's a great spot for my keyboard
Agreed!
If it fits flush I’d love to use it to lube switches when building keyboards
as a factory worker, I am so glad to see you consulting the guys who will have to build stuff when you need to. far too often places fail to consider ease of manufacture in there product designs.
I agree with Doug about the tray. I immediately went "Oooooo."
Corner clip for the Hex Tower! 5:20
Role straight out onto the table, or into a tray. No cluncky attachment plate or space lost on the inner rail, but still retains stability. (The Corner can be sketchy without anything holding it.)
Probably clips on to the outside rail somehow to not interfere with the corner tray.
Just a thought that came to mind.
Not all that into RPG and tabletops (although I want to get into more of them in the future) but development of game tables like this has peaked my interest in recent months. But, as a product designer myself, I loooooooove watching others work through the creative process and how ideas turn from concepts to final products. Keep this content up, its really compelling.
Always enjoy a Dale cameo, where he appears to be the level headed expert in everything.
Hey guys, A+ on your brainstorming process. You work well together. Now I'm going to look at your whole product line, because I know you put a lot of thought into developing it.
Loved watching Dale running the production possibilities thru in his head and you could tell he was already considering what problems the machine would give him with such tight tolerances : )
I think with the “hobby tray” it could definitely have steps milled into a single piece of lumber, like what they were talking about at the very end of the video. However, one thing I would look into would be two steps of milling so it has the tongue to hook into the accessory rail, the shelf itself would be flush with the top of the edge to maximize usable real estate, which could also minimize the amount hangin over the game space. And the magnetic sides could hook over the table edge and extend all the way to the outer edge of the table.
Like the idea of Wyrmwood Work Tray (Shelf) but (as its modular) lessen the width. In a similar thought to the hex tray holder, could you have shelves that are themselves modular and have ends. Also mean you could introduce different types etc.
I think Bobby hit the name first shot; The MGT Toolbar, or something along those lines. You can use it as a general wide tabletop surface, whether you're a DM wanting a open platform, or you're a player with lot of individual components.
A reason to keep the back lip higher might be to explore the option of allowing other MGT modules to clip on, facing whomever is using it; if you don't need to use all of the space, you can attach the specialized modules, facing you. That doubles the name "Toolbar"; you can add whatever apps/widgets to a computer toolbar, or leave it blank.
I’m sure I’m not the only one who was checking out the wood in the background and dreaming of things you could do with it if you had access to their shop.
Also memories came back to when I got to rearrange the stock shelving in our shop, it’s identical to WW’s stock shelves
Given how players store things on it and look over it to see the game or “battlefield”, I think it should be called the *Player Rampart* .
The Hobby Trough would be great for DMs who might want to put up a DM screen or something and have space for minis and things.
I like Bobby's suggested change to the craft utility tray. When Doug was extolling it's uses I was sitting there going "yeah it's useful but it's way to tall, it will get in the way of accessing the table surface". Cut it down to about a lip that's about the width of a pencil and it will do everything you need it to do, without getting more in the way of actually using the table.
Grats Jason and grats Gus on being born. Big win!
Loved the narrative arc for Bobby in this video.
0:26 Bobby: I'm on the design team now?
Doug: Uh.....we don't really have an option
12:12 Doug: Bobby got it [...] Gold star for Bobby!
Bobby: Ding! :-D
my heart breaks for bennet when you nixed the tower after all his work- thats the design life tho
I'd like to point out that even people who get a MGT would probably keep the toppers on for non-gaming related things rather than getting an additional toolbar. For gaming purposes it is kind of competing with the player desk system you already have.
However, this shelf would be a good opportunity for those that don't want to buy the toppers....the cost of those toppers really made it difficult to purchase
Even with the topper, you could still put it on the outside for storage if you wanted.
2:59 The “trough”. First thing I thought is book holder. Then I thought Tablet/ipad holder. It puts it low enough I can see over it to the main table/minis setup during rpg.
That tower looks great and has an interesting purpose, to turn and roll into various table accessories, but to me, it doesn't seem like a Wyrmwood product. If it was stand-alone, like the other tower, and still able to add more height, I think it could be great.
I agree. Another option, though I don't know how cohesive it would be for the whole system, is to create a stacking "riser" that goes underneath the base of the tower that allows people to raise the tower up to the level required to roll into one of the rail-mounted rolling trays. Then the tower assembly just sits inside the table vault.
It feels like an eyesore, it just hanging over the space like that.
Honestly, even from a gaming standpoint I really like the 'hobby shelf'. I handwrite pages upon pages of notes for about 4 games a week and having the extra space for pens/pencils, notebooks, and a character sheet would be fan-freaking-tastic. Also a huge fan of the game deck, have that for the DM. Wasn't a fan of the lap desk because it was too clunky and specific of a layout, I like the simple space of the hobby shelf so I can place things however I want.
The large tool tray should have the outside engraved like a stone castle, so when you add the dice tower it looks like a full on keep.
tool bar is awesome, i like that it fits the player desk. It would also be a great mounting place for a DM screen instead of having to use the game deck or topper section. get all that stuff up out of the way so large maps can just be under it
Congrats, Jason! I agree with Doug, having something utilitarian and versatile just makes sense.
Congratulations on the new baby!
stackable dice towers....i said before in the other video on them that you can sell stacks with different images engraved in them (upscale them). one stack can be heads, one stack can be torsos, one stack lower body. each side is a different image, so you can rotate each stack and create a unique monster. or create designs that mesh well no matter how you rotate the stacks.
I don't even own a WW table and the tray thing is an awesome idea. Especially its ability to snap on the outside edge of the table. That gives you a perfect place for decks and resources that clutter the play area. Perfect place for snacks as well!
Units need to be slightly raised on a simple jointed arm that allows them to swing out of the way (perpendicular to the table border) to open up the board space when not in use.
The word "Pocket" comes to mind when I look at the trough. If you're going to make it more specific to gamers, you could call it the Modular Gaming Pocket (MGP). If you're going with a generic/everything utilization, you could call it the Hobby Pocket. Hobbiest Pocket or Hobbiest Hole could work too.
Hobbiest Nook
Gamers Hollow
Modular Gaming Hollow (MGH)
The "MGT Tool Bar" could comme with different inlay for those that want it flush with the table. You were talking about of taking appart a knife for maintenance. In could be useful to have an inlay or someting to secure the tiny screws or just making sure that things do not roll all over the place. Just some slot or holes that could be cut on the press for leather.
Doug is 100% on the long tray, my wife and i were both all about that to go with our Liliput. Shes a Knitter and instantly came up with a ton of ideas for it, and told me a few uses for myself too, i would absolutely get that if it went into production
Everything Doug is pitching on the MGT accessories is all worth buying. The big add on could be used by people coming over and having their own dice trays, laptops, and dice towers to use while playing D&D. I can also see a DM using that in collab with the corner dice tray and swivel dice tower. That way a DM can have his dice off to the side and roll without having it all over his notes and paper work.
I like the "Table Trough". It's like the "Game Deck" for players instead of the DM. The "Game Deck" provides enough room for the DM screen and all their DM supplies while the, what I'll call the "Game Deck Mini", provides the room needed by players for their dice tray, towers, reference books, and note taking.
@3:45 those are two great accessories for the table, and they can go on the outside too? I like em.
I dont own a gaming table or any wyrmwood products (yet), but the moment that tool table came out, all I could think about is the number of artists who would probably appreciate a proper surface area for them to draw while they play.
the "tool bar" would be great for D&D people that use tablets and dont want to use a player desk. I personally would refer that over the player desk myself
Same, this would be wonderful for dms with laptops and dice!
So just got my Thief vault and tray, just wanted to say thanks to Wyrmwood and specifically DS and Jones as those are the names on the boxes, they turned out great, can't wait to put them through the paces over the holidays.
The large tray is nice but it feels like it's its own system in the making. You can have slots for coasters, a slot for cards, slots for containers for game bits, displays for miniatures, etc.
I'd definitely love to see the next form of that shelf but it does feel like something "different" from the curved accessories.
I think Bobby nailed it twice there. One solid piece and calling it the tool bar is great. Maybe you can even sell felt / leather inserts that fit the inner area
This trough is amazing!!!!! I love the versatility of it!!!
uuuuh nice. very happy to see another designing process. really love them.
Ya know what would be cool to go along with the Gaming Trough piece? Painting Minis and using that to hold my paint pots, brushes water cup etc.
The love the game trough, even the name. As a GM especially, it's always better to have large, flat areas that are reasonably hidden from players. I think a card line along the top would be great. You could display stuff on index cards like character names, initiative order, etc.
Alwyas loved this segment because you have Doug a family guy vs Bobby & Jason without children trying to figure out something meant more for anyone thats not them
Love the looks into the design process
If the hobby trough had some magnets underneath it’d be great as a small parts sorter. Plus you can have swappable top inlays for rolling and such.
Just binged watched all 9 seasons of Wyrmlife. I’m a bit sad now that I have to wait for episodes lol anyways keep up the great content guys. Merry Christmas! 🎅🏼
The end caps on the utility board look like the combo measuring tools for 40k, that what they need to do. Mark them up and have a 6-inch side, 4-inch side, 2-inch side, and a 1-inch side.
That Dale sequence at the end was so well played. I went on that journey.
Couple of thoughts:
- Would anyone connect two? Although nice, just having fixed end plates would save on a lot of production steps.
- The board should be flush with the edge of the table, that would make for a lot more usable surface.
- The 'lip' seems a bit too high, could easily be halved and still be functional.
- CNC a small bowl on both sides would make for better storage of small items.
if the inside dial version is sized so when it's placed on the outside the dials are at most half covered by the lip, I think that's still functional, it might be nice and discrete/un-obtrusive
I like something like MGT Utility Tray. Calling it a Toolbar starts to give a connotation of what it's for, when its more versatile than just tools. Also, as someone who didn't buy the other modular accessories, I appreciate the non-funky shaped cup holders!
@4:26 My DM and fiance wants the trough (the shelf) because he can put all of his DM stuff within it, especially with a small table. the gap underneath can be used to put minis under. if there's a slot thick enough, not only can it hold cards, but maybe a standard cardboard DM screen? (Can you sell a DM screen? lol) It's also good for leveling out the table edge for bigger books such as the DM guide or a player's handbook.
Have it with a leather topper and you sold us.
I love seeing the business development side of things. When Doug flipped over the dial tray it made me think "oh man, that would be badass if one accessory had two features depending on the orientation." Considering modularity, I think that would be a compelling idea that would both reduce the number of individualized items for yall to create while giving the customer a great sense of value. Why not have the divet tray on one side and a cardholder on the other? I love all the unique ideas for accessories, but as Jason said, some of them are competing with other products or solving a problem that doesn't exist. I think the reverse side of the accessories is something that should be considered as usable space as well.
I'd call it the BFT(Big F*cking Tray)
Doug is 1000% correct about that gamer trough. I would LOVE that thing.
That "ding" was ADORABLE!