Weston in a previous video you mentioned out of your mile stone boots only your Alden boots fit, so you’ve spent thousands of dollars worth of boots that do not fit you but you are giving sizing advice
My first pair of boots were ariat ramblers for Midwest winters..always hurts to wear so i never wore them Moved to Florida recently, my jim green vellies are in the mail
Here's my tip for new boots and blisters. Duct tape. If you find yourself in a situation with boots that are causing blisters and you have to continue wearing them, put a strip of duct tape across the blisters. Of course this requires that you HAVE some duct tape, so add it to your kit. I'm sure Red Green would agree. The duct tape won't slide around, and it will eliminate the hot spots that are causing the blisters. As your feet sweat the adhesive will become far less sticky, but it will still stay in place, and when you go to remove the duct tape it will pretty much fall off. I used that trick when serving as an infantryman (about a million and a half years ago) and it works great. My $.02
I know they sell stuff specifically for that but duct tape sounds like a good alternative. Especially since everyone pretty much has that readily available
@@SteelKreel There was some stuff called Mole Skin years ago that was for this purpose, and a lot of guys used it. Duct tape works better, and you don't have to be stingy with it. Pop the blister and take a strip 4 or 5 inches long and run it across the ball of your foot, or across your heel, or wherever you're blistering. It's really pretty amazing. The pain goes away like magic. The first time I used it was on a 35 mile movement (in a single day) that was partially road marching and partially cross country. I decided to break in a new pair of Corcorans that had an added Vibram sole on that little walk in the country, and they were eating me up at about the 15 mile mark. Slapped on some duct tape and did another 20 miles with no pain at all. That made a believer out of me.
I don't know how youtube works; however, I think anytime someone searches for a boot review then, this video should pop up. It will save us quality boot novices from making some expensive mistakes. Thank you!
Something that i always tell people looking to buy their first pair of leather boots is to keep in mind that they will not be perfect, especially the ones that are mostly handmade. just because it might not look aesthetically perfect does not mean its not well made. I've seen way too many post on reddit from first time buyers of any brand complain about "cosmetic flaws" that are due to the boots being handmade
Hundred percent agree. What i’d add to this is don’t buy boots if the price is at all a consideration. The cause of this complaining about little things imo is people spending $500 on a pair of shoes when they’ve never previously spent 100. From that persons perspective it seems a 500 pair should be a perfect product engineered to nasa specifications.
Right!? I wear a pair of wingshooters with a composite safety toe and wedge sole for work (I work at Lowe’s in the garden center so the waterproofing has helped a ton and it’s the main reason I got them other than just the looks) and they are amazing! I swapped out the insoles bc I wasn’t the biggest fan of their standard insole but other than that, these boots have been so good and I really want to see what’s inside
@@TheWhiteTaco from what I can tell with mine, the Wingshooters actually have a leather welt correct? Where the Ashby’s I’m pretty sure don’t and use a plastic/rubber welt
I bought a pair of those Chippewa Apaches when I got promoted to a supervisor at my job 20 years ago. They looked like shoes but were rugged enough for work in a warehouse. They were horrendous to break in but were incredibly tough. Once broken in they were great and aged well.
When measuring your foot size make sure you have had a decent day on your feet. Your feet expand during the day. So dont take your foot measurements in the morning, after a long drive, or working in a office. Make sure you have had a long walk or been on your feet most of the day. I use to work in a boot shop and i could measure my feet in the morning and after a long day on my feet and could have a difference of near half a size or full width.
Those chippewas were my first heritage style boots as well. I've had them for about 10 years and they've held up incredibly and are very comfortable. Still my favorite boots for riding ky motorcycle
I enjoyed the hunting story, wish I could draw an elk tag. I appreciate the wealth of information and passion you bring to boots. You have a laser like focus on what is and is not working in footwear. As someone who: 1. wears boots 2/3rds of my life and 2. likes to be an informed consumer; I have learned so much from your channels over the last few years.
Drawing a good elk tag in Utah, Nevada, Arizona is going to take 10-30 years honestly it sucks. I buy otc tags in some states but it’s not as good of a hunt
The sizing point is the best imo, I went into Red Wing and they sized me at 9.5 which is 2 whole down from sneakers. So had I bought online and not gotten sized I would’ve completely screwed myself on an expensive purchase.
Honestly Jim Green’s are my go to’s now. Got a double deal on the African ranger and Chelsea basically new on eBay and I’ve been wearing them nonstop. Great info!
stockman or the other one? are they ok in the ankle? i'm planning to buy them, but they will be my first chelsea style boots I don't know how should they fit
Ah yeah, sorry folks. I got the Stockman. I honestly love them and the fit is pretty nice. My only personal complaint is that the instep is a little bit low and causes a high pressure point, but I deal with that on all my non-custom shoes. If your instep doesn’t give you trouble in other boots and shoes, then you should be good!
My first pair was also Chippewa service boot and 11 years on they still look great in fact I remember about 5 years ago throwing them at rocks and what ever I saw to age the things
Elk dude was just chilling, hanging out with his babies, scraping with the boys, and here comes uncle Kyle and the whole morman squad slinging led, ruining the vibe
I got Wolverine 1000 miles on sale for around $280 for my first heritage style boot. I thought they were more office wearable than others and I do wear them to the office. They are defiantly more clunky than a casual dress shoe but they look badass.
From my own personal xp I totally agree with you. I work on a farm. Last year my cheap boots failed and I needed a new pair asap. I got a pair of Iron Rangers because, I thought, I could use them now and when I had moved on from this job, I would have them after for personal wear. They are great boots. However, because they're so nice, I have long felt that I should have gone with something more entry level.
The way I used to breakin new combat boots is a short force march, and before folks call me crazy, the pain of unbroken in boots comes with standing for me more than walking. Walking with a heavy load for like 10 minutes the extra mass means you slide less, less blisters, and your foot pad presses down harder on the insole. After take them off and let them dry. Two or three times I they are set and I can go all day in them.
I've watched a few hours from content from you and I feel I have a pretty good grasp of the basics. Now I get why my 10 year old timberlands still look and function decent in the leather parts and have fallen away everything else. Great channel man.
Yeah my timberland Men's Chocorua Waterproof Mid Hiker Boots fell apart at the soul other shoe and the inside material rubbed away so it's all shredded and crappy. I'm looking at JK boots and Red wing for my starter mid/ high grade boots. I'm still trying to get opinion for my use case though
I just bought and got in my African Rangers (got the regular instead of barefoot because I wanted that steel shank support) and they feel great. Had a little hiccup with UPS getting them to me, but I wore them for the first time today. Immediately put insoles in them, and I think they're gonna break in just fine. Thanks for awaring me to these.
@TravisHi_YT theyre going great. I've been wearing them as my primary shoe/boot. I haven't put miles and miles in them because I wear other shoes for work, but aside from putting insoles in them (just some Dr Scholl's Heavy Duty Support) they still feel great and look great for all day wear. I dont regret this purchase at all.
First pair of dress boots: Born Chelsea boots. love them still use to this day. First pair of work boots: Redwing Irish Setters. Very narrow, destroyed both pinky toes. Donated after a month. First pair of Heritage style boots: Jim Green Baobabs, love them still in the break-in process. Best feeling on the sole out of all Jim Green Boots so far. Current work boots: Jim Green Razorbacks with Safety Toe (9)/Keen Cincinnati with Composite Toe(9W)
My first pair was a pair of lineman 2904 from redwing. I got it for 30 bucks at a thrift shop. I've been researching boots for 2-3 years at that point and was knowledgeable enough but didn't really have the money to spend at the time. So when I saw that I jumped on it like a wild animal. Sometimes it pays to be a nerd.
I got a pair of Thursday Captains after your first review, I agree these are a great pair of boots. I really wanted the slim silhouette and they look sharp! Thanks for your reviews, man, they definitely have helped me find exactly what I was looking for and I appreciate you. 🙏🏼
I'm glad you had a good experience.The speed hooks popped out of my Thursdays after less than 100 wears. $200+ boots and they wouldnt fix thier crap quality control.
@@LCo4874 geez, that’s pretty terrible. Hopefully that was just an isolated incident, but that’s pretty awful that they didn’t want to repair it. I’m sure it’s a cheap fix at a cobbler, though, right?
For me Thursdays just weren’t comfortable. They were too narrow and felt weird. Then, after reading multiple good reviews, I thought that it just my weight foot, and I gave a Thursday gift card to my friend. He also bought a pair, then changed size, but also ended up returning them. Recently I gave them the last chance and bought a pair for my wife. And guess what? After three size exchanges we just gave up. No more Thursdays for me. Btw, I have about 10 different boots, from White’s and Trumans to Iron Rangers. But only Thursdays didn’t work out for me.
@@kosta2177 that really stinks. I do have narrow feet and ankles, they honestly fit me perfectly, I guess I just got lucky. Well, I hope your boot adventures since have been more successful
I am glad Weston put out a video like this. There are many ideas we might have about boots that are incorrect. Regarding construction, I thought a leather or hard rubber outsole is best, combined with a cork or leather, midsole, and a leather insole/foot bed. While these are very tough and durable, they are not comfortable to be. I wore a pair of Red Wing moc toe boots casually for almost a year. They had the leather footbed and even a foam-ish outsole. While they were very tough and durable and the leather insole did conform to my foot like it was supposed to, the lack of rebound or give from the leather was uncomfortable to me. I ended up selling those boots (also, buying second hand boots can save you money!). I tried a pair of Thorogood moc toe boots. They also have a foam rubber outsole, but a foam insole. So dang comfortable from the first step out of the box. A lot of rebound and give. Sooooo, know what features and characteristics to look for in a boot. Also, find a store where you can try on multiple brands and styles. You may think you want one type, but a different brand or style may feel better on your foot.
I bought my first pair of leather boots almost 3 years ago. I had no clue what I was supposed to look for. But the use case was for all year-round everyday boots. I live in Nothern Europe where the weather swings a lot, 25C in summer, -25C, and a lot of snow. There happened to be this one very small local LP and hand-made clothing stockist store. At the time, I did not know they were also stockist for Solovair. While doing my research found this channel and also found that Solovair is a decent brand for the price. I still ended up buying those Solovairs from that store, just to support local businesses and skip the hassle with taxes, customs, and possible returns. Because of the previously mentioned harsh winter conditions, I ended up buying half-size up from my usual to have room for thick wool socks. During summer, I have an extra thick insole. That wool sock test is definitely my new standard when looking for winter boots.
Helpful video. I have spent thousands over the past decade from Army to public safety and to bow hunting and beyond. I think I have tried just about every brand under 300 and now own a few Nick’s boots. I remember Garmont service boots where my go to in Army. Only to get a leather duty boot in black leather. I have wide feet and that boot was not wide. A painful lesson. Boots do not stretch as much one thinks. You said it well. One thing I have learned is a good paid of Merino wool socks can make a huge difference.
Great story on that hunt. Those two young bulls owe you !! Another great idea is to check factory seconds of some of the mid-high brands. Some good deals there.
First time I've heard a RUclipsr tell a hunting story like I or my friends would tell each other. Love the channel man, thanks for helping me make more informed boot purchases.
I bought my first pair of whites 25 years ago I own 6 pair of whites 3 different styles. 1 pair of Wesco, 1 pair of drews I love them all 1 pair of my whites I had rebuilt by Frank's and had them lined for the winter my next pair will be Frank's they do very good work
For baristas out there, be aware you need oil resistant soles. If espresso or some syrup gets on the tile floor it will make night and day difference. Deanite, Grant Stone and Thursday soles dont work there unfortunately. Vibram 430 mini lug, v bar, doc Martin soles and cork soles work great. Tgis is one area where docks and solovare are good value though they are hated by many boot enthusiasts
As a Brazilian who newly arrived in Toronto for a living, I'm pretty new to the 'boot world' so this kind of video is so helpful. I always liked this kind of roughed style of men's wear (that's why I've subscribed to your first channel for so long), but in the warm weather in Brazil is just not practical. I'm planning on acquiring my first boot, Blundstone is so popular here, but being a long-time subscriber, I just can't pull the trigger 😆 I'm going try some Canada West Boots or Thursdays to start it all, maybe in winter, I'll have to run to a 6-inch Timberland 'cause of the insulation and all of that.
As a Montrealer, I highly recommend Canada West! I got a pair of their Romeos (not insulated) and wear them throughout the winter with 2 pairs of socks (cotton and wool). And I've never had a problem with freezing toes 😊 They also sell insulated ones though, if you're planning on being outside all day in the winter.
@@annebojko9863 thank you so much for the feedback! The only problem is that they are hard to find haha but I'm gonna search for them here in TO. Do you have any suggestions for a rugged Chelsea-style boot other than Thursday and Blundstone for this price range?
For the HVACR mechanics, the 34317 boot from Canada West has really been a changer from Dewalt Nitrogen's. Long hours, in an out of trucks, roofs, ladders, boxes, salt, snow, water, they've been great for the year that i've had them.
As usual, Rose Anvil gives great, well researched, comprehensive content. But unless he has cut the boots open that you’re considering, it’s impossible to know the inner workings/construction of said boots unless the maker’s specify in their description especially in the x
I love my Danner Quarry boots. I've had them at least 8 years, wearing them daily a high percentage of the time. Time broke them in. I've a pair of Blundstone. I like them a lot for what they are (very easy to put on to take the dog out.) I put mink oil on them when it started getting we outside and they instantly looked different. I'd say drastically, and interestingly. At first I thought I ruined them instead of protecting them, but I actually like the look a lot. I'd worn them a decent amount, and gotten them wet a few times - the mink oil highlighted the folding in the leather, and some burnishing. I got a pair of Georgia boots a few years back. I'ven't really worn them much. They look so pristine compared to all the other clothes I wear that they almost bother me. Thus, I was looking in to if I could do something to tone down the appearance without harming them. I wouldn't rate them as a highly functional work boot, so that's another reason they have sat around. I think the Danner are a very good boot. I'd been recalcitrant about spending over $300 on footware, but knowing how other guys have had their Danners over 20 years made me feel good about trying them out. They'll put new bottoms on if you need them for a hundred bucks, so there's ease of mind.
I liked that you told the story about the elk hunt to illustrate what you were looking for, awesome that you got a tag. Still trying to get one myself. I first got a pair of Iron Rangers, and I broke those in by wearing them with two pairs of thick wool socks. The breakin was pretty rough. I overconditioned them that first year so the amber harness colour is more of a very dark brown now, but they've got a nice patina to them (they're going on nine years of life!). I recently started adding some Thursday boots into my collection too, with a pair each of Captains, Vanguards, and Presidents. Those were a lot easier to break in, though the Vanguards were probably the worst of the lot breakin-wise (but probably my favourite pair of the three). Looking forward to being able to get a pair of Viberg service boots in shell cordovan one of these days!
I was like you I have worn Chippewa and redwings as a Wild firefighter and when before I became a mechanic I asked my friend if by a pair of bucks was worth it he said “yes” from then I saved for them and bought them for my every day and everything boot I just got mine yesterday and I have to say while the brake in is slightly painful they are very comfortable when I’m just walking. I understand why and these boot will allow me to do everything that I used to have two or three boots to the same job
My brannock size was 14 on one side and 13 on the other. I buy my boots in 11.5 it's crazy. I like a good snug fit. The guy at Red Wing sold me a size 13 and it was comically oversized. I took them back and got my 11.5 and was super happy.
For any Canadians looking for a budget heritage style boot, try to track down some Canada West boots. Their sales model is a little weird and doesn't quite help them get many boots out, but they're made in Winnipeg, are priced pretty comparably with the rest of the non-heritage boots from major retailers, they have a pretty wide range of styles with a good selection of CSA triangles, and I've had zero complaints about their durability. I'm a HD mechanic and I got four years of work out of my first pair, and I only replaced them because I caught a sharp edge and cut most of the way through the side of one of them, but not all the way. My workplace's boot allowance would let me get a new pair every year and I just haven't needed to, unlike the guys who just go to Marks, spend roughly the same amount of money, and do need another pair when that time of year rolls around again. And after four years my boots didn't stink like theirs do by the end of summer.
Great video and very informative! In the budget segment of boots I recommend trying to find a boot with a leather insole or (more likely) a leather-topped insert. Standing directly on leather is (in my opinion) awesome! :) It's cooler than foam and does not stink.
Just gotta say, great channel man! I’ve thoroughly enjoyed a nd benefitted from your channels for a couple years now. I loved the story of that monster bull you got! I always enjoy when you throw in mentions of your hunting and wildland fire life. Would love to hear more of that. The first pair of boots I had was a “semi-heritage” pair of Red Wings. Then I got into wildland fire with my brothers worn out Nicks. Then I got my own White’s 12” elk tan roughouts for my second season (and beyond. Have one rebuild on them). I’m not in fire full time anymore so now for the past six years I’ve had a pair of Red Wing 10877 moc toes. So basically 3 1/2 pairs of boots in my 25 years of labor on the farm, in excavating, in wildland fire, and now as a forester. I can’t say enough about high quality boots being worth it, based on my own experience, but your channel has taught me a lot as I look to get a rebuild done combing the wedge sole and moc toe styling of my Red Wings, and the high arch, support, and comfort of my White’s. Thanks so much for the awesome work you do! Keep it up! And keep the fire and hunting stories coming!
Thanks for all you do. I used your videos when I was looking for my first pair of high quality boots. I chose a pair of Red Wings and I love them. I followed Red Wings recommendation of a half size down and they are the best fitting shoe/boot that I've ever worn. (After I finally got them broken in that is)
I’ve bought two pairs of boots in my life. One was some $120 pair in the mall that had a zipper. The second was the Thursday Captains. Love my Captains and will buy a couple more Thursdays before moving up a tier. Prob get a pair of Iron Rangers
Wesley, you put together a nice guide on how to buy your first boot. I am not familiar with all of the earlier boots that you cut in two, so I am giving this suggestion in the dark. I think it would be helpful for those starting their journey into informed boot buying if you would dissect entry level boots. I think it would be helpful for entry level boot buyers if you made a priority list of boot construction features - like if the purpose of buying a pair of boots is to: be on your feet a long time/ have the cheapest re-solable/etc, then you’ve got to have (fill in the feature) and you can put (fill in the feature) a little further done the list of what you want in your boot. I am a gal with small wide feet who love barefoot shoes and I wish that there were more boot makers that would make men’s size 4 boots. Would you be able to highlight boots and boot makers that I could buy from?
Hello fellow wide footed gal! Redwings and nicks are two brands he has reviewed the women's versions of. They have the sizing that would work for you at two different price points. For a more barefoot style check out lems boulder boot, also reviewed on the rose anvil channel and has women's sizing with a wide footprint. Hope that helps!
@@Drwhitecloud I have the waterproof Chelsea boots from Lems. I really like them but wish the outer sole was more suited for hiking. I just wish there were more boot makers that would have sizing appropriate for small wider feet.
i still wanna see the battle of the big box store boots. every time im like "ima get a really nice set of boots" i end up getting the 40$ special from walmart "Brahma Men's Alpha Waterproof 6" Steel Toe Work Boots" honestly i want a nice boot, but i can't try them on. I get scared to buy a 200-500 dollar boot that i cant feel on my feet first. but these bragma's are at least not a bad boot. i use them for work / welding in. they last about a year. the sole will basically get grinded off in about a year and the insole will fall apart after 4ish months of hard working or 6ish months of light work. then i just replace that insole and laces as the laces are just junk in general but i wont replace something that aint broke right away. my other issue is like you said in this video. my show size can be a 9.5 or a 10... while my boots can be a 9 or a 9.5, i just dont want to spend all that money for a boot that might not fit and have to send back. also my feet are not the same size. my right foot's pinky toe sits much farther up then my left foot making my left foot in this weird position that feels like i have a clown shoe on at some times. im just torn cause i want a nice every day boot like a jim green or a chippewa. i just can't pull the trigger on it... damn i ranted to long im sorry
My first pair of Boots in 2009 were RW 8146 for the Winter, than followed an Iron Ranger 8111, the third a RW 875, and the last till know a RW Weekender in Hawthorne Muleskinner, in November I will look for a blacksmith 3345. I wear them the whole year every day.
For break ins, what I try to do is plan the purchase of a pair of these type of boots around a camping trip. Get the boots, put ‘em on for the camping trip and don’t take them off for anything. I broke in my first heritage boots (iron rangers like 7-8 years ago) in a week camping in the Ouachita mountains through a tropical storm. My ankles took a beating, but those boots fit like a glove by the end of the week, and they’re still going strong to this day with a couple of resoles
This is a good video. Mid range boots like Chippewa and Carolina are still good even if some of the components are iffy. As long as the leather is full grain and outsole is Vibram can’t really go wrong. Poron instead of cork isn’t all bad.
I bought my first boots when I'm still in highschool and hasn't work yet, I pick it solely because the leather is nice cuz I don't know anything about design and construction yet. it's not the best but it's enough to accompany me until I have a job and able to buy better boots, to my surprise it's still hold itself together after years, got some damages. But still serviceable
I bought my first good boot, Chippewa Modoc comp toe, based on your first videos. They've been great for over three years of steady winter use. Until they are destroyed, I won't be wearing my ND1's for anything... messy 😂
One thing I can say as a tip is that you can buy some of these boots 2nd hand and refurbish them yourself. Clean them, condition them, new insole, new laces and if you do not like them sell them again. I found Vibergs, Whites, Red Wings and Trumans for a fraction of the retail and they look and feel fantastic.
I wear a lot of Alden's boots. Here are my tips for new folks looking at boots: 1. Wear big thick socks when you buy them. Think like wool thick winter socks. It will help you size them correctly. 2. Get cedar shoe tree's and use them every time you take off the boots. I leave new boot's in trees for a month just to stretch as I find it helps the new boot's break-in faster with less stress to my feet once I start wearing them. Also replace the cedar shoe tree's every year or so. Some people say you can sand the tree's to bring them back to life. I have tried and didn't think that worked. 3. Use a pencil to crease the boot along where your toes flex to get a straight and solid flex joint across the toe box. It helps make thick leather boots break in faster and lets you control where the leather is flexing at. 4. Once you get a boot you like and are wearing daily. BUY ANOTHER and do the same break in procedure you did with the first one. I know it's expensive but I have found that if you alternate boots everyday they last 4 times as long. You are still going to have to resole both pairs but I have found that you can resole them an additional few times which allows you to squeeze some more use out of them. I also find the interior of the boot's stay fresher longer. Just remember you have to put cedar shoe trees in them once you take them off everyday. 5. I always replace the laces on my boot's with kevlar laces off ebay. I have used waxed laces and leather laces before I found the kevlar laces. The waxed and leather laces use to always break after about 3-6 months on me. I have had kevlar laces for 5 years and they still look new and haven't needed to be replaced. 6. Keep them clean and keep them hydrated. I use saddle soap to clean my boots with simple 99 cent toothbrush and a rag. Then use Venetian Shoe Cream and rub that in really well then rub the excess off with a dry clean rag. I do that about every month ish. If you do all those things your boot's have a good chance to last years if not a decade before needing to be replaced.
Lots of great info! I sadly bought a pair of Doc Martens in 2017 that are still in good shape, but I'm a bit disappointed that they are not really good quality. I've learned a lot here, and will definitely apply it when I want to buy a pair of boots to replace the Docs. I'd love to have a pair of boots that I could keep for the rest of my life, resoling if needed. I'm not a worker that needs such footwear, so they'd probably last a really long time for me.
I wear 12 in Nike/Jordan, and they fit me very snuggly, but not too tight, exact fit. That being said I used to get my USA made boots a size down, 11, but recently I have changed my philosophy. Now I just get all of my footwear in 12. I do this because for the boots, which obviously have a roomier/bigger fit than sneakers, it leaves extra room for thick socks which I like to wear with boots. Also, with durable boots also being very tough and difficult to break in, it puts less compression on my toes and allows my feet to spread out into their natural shape in the boot. Before I was picky about having my toes right at the edge of my toe box, but with staying “true to size” now I have about a half inch of extra room between my toes and the end of the toe box which I realized does not bother me at all in daily use, and it’s nice because when I put forward pressure on them, my toes don’t get shoved up and compressed against the tip of the toe box like before. So that’s my new philosophy, to actually get the same size that I get in sneakers as boots.
I got a pair of these in 11EE (more EE sizes in all shoes later) for $55 on crazy sale and wore them for years. Then I had Brian the Bootmaker relast them to my measurements and resole them to v100 with a storm welt. They're pretty incredible now.
I’d like to see more on boots like the redwing 402, 2245, 595 and 952. I’ve used a pair of the 2245 for rigging where we walk steel beams and kick steel and shackles all day. I’m three to fours years in and they’re still have not a stitch undone, and no separation at all in the soles, tough boot. I have a pair of 952’s that I can pair with jeans or khakis and wear to church. They have poron insoles but they hold up very well with no deterioration as far as I’ve seen. And they’re an unlined leather boot (besides the vamp) which works in Fl. They can be found at stores (or ordered), on line or eBay and for much less money. Just a good overlooked boot. I’ve even seen some resoles of the 952 etc that look fantastic.
My go-to work boots are by Georgia low heel lace-to-toe. I keep them in my Amazon cart and get notice when there's a price drop. Just got my last pair for $105 shipped. A couple of tricks I've learned... Quality control always has some holes. If I'm ordering with a free return I'll get 2 pair and keep the 2 best boots and return the other set. I always get leather laces , kilties, and insoles from Nicks to upgrade. The contrast if you lace up the kilties rough side up looks great, especially with a lace-to-toe style. Understanding the difference between how much width you need and how much volume you need goes a long way to dialing in your fit. I need wide boots but they almost always feel sloppy until I add the leather insoles to take up the extra space.
Timberlands are okay for work boots, they are not heritage boots, but budget friendly for construction. Redwing is another quality boot along with Irish Setter. I bought the Ashby Moc toe Irish setter to beat up, and the Irish Setter Wingshooters Moc toe for my better work boots and casual wear in a soft toe. The wingshooters are going back for the Redwing model 2440 or 2441. Those are part of the work wear line, vintage style, made in Vietnam, waterproof lining models, wedge sole, dedicated heels, etc. The Redwing classics are made in the USA and they are $60-$100 more, heavier leather, old school classics and higher quality throughout. Also a longer break in period. The Iron Ranger is one of the boots in that lineup.
Had a lot of boots finally got my hands on a couple pair of whites. Don’t think I’m going back to redwing or anything less anytime soon. Nicks next more than likely
I believe the new 2.0 version of the Chippewa boots are now imported instead of made in USA. I hope you will get a pair to cut in half to see how they compare to the previous version. I’m thinking about getting some for Christmas. I have two pair of the ones made in the USA. I’m glad they brought them back.
I bought a pair of Red Wing Blacksmiths after watching your Red Wing video and thanks they are my favorite shoes and I can tell you why now. Waiting for a review of some of the Missouri Leatherworks Civil war re-enacting boots.
I've had various styles of boots in the past with various difficulties in breaking in, but nothing could have prepared me for a brand new pair of iron rangers. Even have their shaped comfort footbeds to get the sizing right. First I wore them at home for a couple days and didn't think they were that bad, but the first time I went out in them, I wore them just for a couple kilometers around town and my heels were already ready to break into blisters and my shins were sore for a couple days afterwards. I learned that I'm definitely going to be using an extra pair of socks for a while, I really need to tighten them down properly so that my heel stays put, and still I'm gonna start with very short walks in them until we get along better.
I’m going to say that for your first time wearing a boot you definitely wanna go 8 inch especially with the logger styles. It takes time to get used to wearing a heel and a tightly torqued 8 inch boot will offer your ankles unparalleled support and stability. I weigh about 280 and I stand on some really spidery ankles given my upper mass ( I always suffer ankle problems when I hike or go off-road ). The 8 inch or higher tied tightly actually helps to hold me up. Anyways I have a few cheap pairs vs a good pair cause I wanted to try the 6 inch out l I’ve got a pair of golden fox service boots that I really like. Helps that the crepe rubber sole is 1/2 an inch thick and should hold up for years. Try the cheap ones out too cause mine are holding up fine. Now eventually I do plan to score a pair of iron rangers or 1000 mile boots for my at home shoes ( the 1000 milers and the iron rangers in black can and probably will go to the office a few times a week too since I can now get both in black). Regardless don’t sleep on the golden foxes. They’re cheap enough to buy 2 pairs in 2 different colors like I did
My first affordable goodyear welt boot was a Wilcox Kern boot that came with a black wedge sole. It is a pretty comfortable boot and still looks great after wearing it every week this past year. I think my Jim Green african ranger is my most comfortable boot after i put a new insole with high arch support. Those are my cheapest boots now and I still love them both. I have since acquired boots with better materials but I still wear those two boots frequently because they are great boots, especially my african rangers, those are my rehab boots when I need to rest my feet in a really comfortable boot.
Here’s an idea for the Rose Anvil Builds channel. Test out some Carolina & Georgia (Gravel Gear from Northern Tool could be a substitute for either) unlined logger boots for a bit. Resole and upgrade them to have higher quality leather insole, midsole, leather welt, and heal stack instead of the fiberboard, plastic/rubber welt, and one piece outsoles. Then test the upgraded versions for a period of time. It would be interesting to see how their affordable more heritage style boots stack up to quality ones initially. The biggest point of interest would be to see if they would be worth the expense of buying for less then investing in the upgrades to bring them more in line with mid-tier or better heritage footwear like Iron Rangers or 1000 milers. The Wyatt and dad cobbler channel has done an upgrade on the Georgia, and Trenton & Heath have upgrade a few fiberboard boots. I haven’t seen a trial to see if it might be worth it to get a more affordable boot and pay for the internal component upgrades to make it nicer though. That sounds perfect for y’all to try though.
This is a super helpful video. I have a pair of Redwing Moc Toe that I have owned for years and love. I want a pair of PNW boots but live in the UK so it is super expensive to buy something you can't try on. This video gives me some other options so when I pull the trigger on those, I know I will get the size right.
Hey man, I love watching/learning from your channel. With all the newfound knowledge comes even more options and difficulty in buying a boot. Please steer me in the right direction. Please forgive me ahead of time for my lengthy message. My current work boots are close to 30 years old. Other than the last 4 years of using them about 50-60 hours a week, they were used for about 25 hours a week. They’ve been resoled a couple of times and haven’t needed much more than maintenance until now. They need some stitching. I’ve probably got about 25 years left to work and want a new pair of boots that will be as comfortable as my current boots with more life in them. I have been back to Red Wing but they don’t have anything that I LOVE and I don’t want to spend good money on something that I don’t love. I’d rather spend a little more to be thrilled with my purchase. I have pretty particular desires and they can’t match those desires. My boot hasn’t been made in some time. They look similar to 1907. They have 3 D-rings on the bottom and 2 speed hooks on top. 5” boot I believe and I can very very easily get my foot in and out of the boot. I realize that no one uses D-ring anymore so I have to surrender to that loss. I am currently looking at the Wood Butcher. I want these mostly for work (I hunt iguanas for a living) but also would like to wear them out casually. Please help. Thank you in advance
Thanks, this was helpful. I’ve never bought boots before but would like to have a shoe for more than a year. Unrelated but your celebrity twin is Hozier.
Thank you so much for this video. I really appreciate this sort of overview information, especially concerning that list of entry level price range bootmakers. I recently commented on another video suggesting a look at the brand Golden Fox as in would a sub $200 boot be worth investigating. While not included in this video, it feels like you've definitely addressed my interests by providing this info on some other brands other than the obvious ones many already know.
my impulse to break in leather has always been to just wear em all the time. in high school we joked about "hazing" our feet breaking in boat shoes, but that's like little league in comparison. just try to be careful and know your limit on break in: a couple mile walk can leave your feet aching for days if you're not careful early in the break in. but once you do get em to the place you want, it's kind of an accomplishment. and even if they're still harder than sneakers, fit like a glove in the end
To avoid blisters on your heels I can recommend gel-lined socks. Everywhere else try something like layers of kenesiotape, fixomull, duct tape, or moleskin patches to build up cushioning to prevent blisters.
MUGGS QUESTION: how to store my MUGGS during a Los Angeles summer?? I store seasonal stuff in vacuum bags w/ desiccant packets. Bad for leather? What about bugs? What conditioner to use? 1yr fan. VERY Excited 2 receive my MUGGS 📦! Most I’ve spent 💵 on footwear. Expect to enjoy for many decades. Video idea: what makes a good 🥾 cobbler? What to ask and request? Video idea: how to make leather shoe at home? Ur enthusiasm for leather & footwear is infectious and educational. With so much fast & cheap fashion, it’s nice to learn how to purchase something that will last. Thank you!
Jim Green is doing some really cool stuff. Probably the best in their segment for build quality and durability. I have some Thursdays and some Jim Greens and I'm far more impressed with the Jim Green boots.
I bought vivo magna esc, not sure if it's good but I wanted wide barefoot and flexible, well it wasn't as wide as I wanted even when I went for largest size on amazon 12.5. but it got streached overtime
I'm glad you mentioned Beckett Simonon. I know they have a fake Goodyear welt but are blake stitched. I don't completely know what is in them. I think cork and I believe they say the insole is "leather lined" so ill have to see of you cut one. Otherwise id definitely like to see cause i work for a living and have my boots for work, actually the thorogood you cut last year, just cleaned them too. But i want a nice dressier boot for church or going to a gathering cause i have my nice clothing even like 4 pairs of Japanese raw denim selvedge jeans and I wanted the Thursdays boot made in USA, not the logger,but with the waxed flesh Horween leather, or a pair of Beckett Simonon. They sold out of the Thursdays in my size but I spent a bit too much on shirts and pants from N&F recently, so i can wait. I have a pair of chukkas that are okay i don't normally like that style but they made these okay looking. Fake welt. But they have a shank some leather thats lined, very thin but they get me by and were $25 at a second hand store. I should go to more of those in the more stylish neighborhoods when I can.
Much appreciated video, I learn a lot about choosing the right boots on your channel - even though not all of these brands are available on Europe. I don't know how common are German or Italian hiking boot brands in the US, but they share a lot of similarities with the more premium US brands you mentioned (handmade boots, goodyear or norvegian welted soles, full leather lining etc). I would love to see your analysis on a Hanwag Grünten / Meindl Badile / Zamberlan Latemar or similar in the future! :)
Stitchdown or Welts are the way. Merino wool socks are the light (Darn Tough). I will never own a cloth/fabric lined boot again in my life. If you dig the upgrade in quality/ruggedness/comfort from glued together junk to a $200-350 boot, you're going to fall in love with the handmade full leather offerings (Nicks, JK, etc.). Wish I'd have learned about them sooner, myself.
I have been in love with Harness Boots since I was a kid (my dad had a pair) they are widely ignored among boot channels and I am here to almost beg for a video on what are some great brands to buy. Is there anyway that you could do a Harness boot episode?
Honestly I have thorogood flyways and eventually while I do want to step up at some point, I'm perfectly happy with running these through ground first. They're just comfortable.
Regarding boots not stretching, this is anecdotal and I'm not confident I understand all that's going on here, but this is my experience. I've been in the Marines for 15 years, have hiked/backpacked for 25+, and the only two magical pairs of boots I've had were an undersized/tight pair of Corcoran Jump Boots from 2003 and a pair of Danner RATs from 2013, both of which had leather uppers that had to stretch to conform to my big wide feet. I have a pair of Iron Rangers that were sized to fit and they are not comfortable despite breaking them in over a ton of road time and hunting in the bush and swamp. Based on my experience, I would buy a pair that is a bit too narrow if going with a traditional boot with a full leather upper, with the expectation the leather upper would stretch half a size to accomodate and form-fit to my feet. It goes without saying that a narrow or short toe-box is a non-starter.
After 20 years of buying every boot under the sun and probably wasting thousands of dollars I finally broke down and ordered a custom pair of JK's which I suspect will last the rest of my life. Boot soles usually last me 4 to 5 years before needing a resole so I hope it's the last pair I will every have to buy
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Weston in a previous video you mentioned out of your mile stone boots only your Alden boots fit, so you’ve spent thousands of dollars worth of boots that do not fit you but you are giving sizing advice
What about Golden receiver boots
Or ever boots for cheap work boots
nah im same size in all footwear
I'm just trying to find a good hiking boot
My first pair of boots were ariat ramblers for Midwest winters..always hurts to wear so i never wore them
Moved to Florida recently, my jim green vellies are in the mail
Here's my tip for new boots and blisters. Duct tape. If you find yourself in a situation with boots that are causing blisters and you have to continue wearing them, put a strip of duct tape across the blisters. Of course this requires that you HAVE some duct tape, so add it to your kit. I'm sure Red Green would agree. The duct tape won't slide around, and it will eliminate the hot spots that are causing the blisters. As your feet sweat the adhesive will become far less sticky, but it will still stay in place, and when you go to remove the duct tape it will pretty much fall off. I used that trick when serving as an infantryman (about a million and a half years ago) and it works great. My $.02
I've used gauze pads and medical tape, but duct tape is a great idea.
I know they sell stuff specifically for that but duct tape sounds like a good alternative. Especially since everyone pretty much has that readily available
@@SteelKreel There was some stuff called Mole Skin years ago that was for this purpose, and a lot of guys used it. Duct tape works better, and you don't have to be stingy with it. Pop the blister and take a strip 4 or 5 inches long and run it across the ball of your foot, or across your heel, or wherever you're blistering. It's really pretty amazing. The pain goes away like magic. The first time I used it was on a 35 mile movement (in a single day) that was partially road marching and partially cross country. I decided to break in a new pair of Corcorans that had an added Vibram sole on that little walk in the country, and they were eating me up at about the 15 mile mark. Slapped on some duct tape and did another 20 miles with no pain at all. That made a believer out of me.
Red Green. Now that’s a show I haven’t seen in a long time. 😂
@@aj_sanjuan It's getting to the point where you have to be like at least 50 to get my jokes. I'm glad SOMEBODY got it. Lol
I don't know how youtube works; however, I think anytime someone searches for a boot review then, this video should pop up. It will save us quality boot novices from making some expensive mistakes. Thank you!
Agreed, recently discovered this gentleman and I now have almost 10 boot brands websites open now lol
Yep best information so far 🎯
Something that i always tell people looking to buy their first pair of leather boots is to keep in mind that they will not be perfect, especially the ones that are mostly handmade. just because it might not look aesthetically perfect does not mean its not well made. I've seen way too many post on reddit from first time buyers of any brand complain about "cosmetic flaws" that are due to the boots being handmade
Hundred percent agree. What i’d add to this is don’t buy boots if the price is at all a consideration. The cause of this complaining about little things imo is people spending $500 on a pair of shoes when they’ve never previously spent 100. From that persons perspective it seems a 500 pair should be a perfect product engineered to nasa specifications.
Same with milltary stuff... Like if you don't have losse theads you haven't worn it yet.
I still can't wait to see an Irish Setter boot or boots cut in half. They do make two popular moc toe models and October is around the corner 🤞
Right!? I wear a pair of wingshooters with a composite safety toe and wedge sole for work (I work at Lowe’s in the garden center so the waterproofing has helped a ton and it’s the main reason I got them other than just the looks) and they are amazing! I swapped out the insoles bc I wasn’t the biggest fan of their standard insole but other than that, these boots have been so good and I really want to see what’s inside
Ashbys?
@@throwmypackage yes, Ashby's and Wingshooters. Both are fairly popular on the job site
@@TheWhiteTaco from what I can tell with mine, the Wingshooters actually have a leather welt correct? Where the Ashby’s I’m pretty sure don’t and use a plastic/rubber welt
@@jarenbosman9769 yes the Ashby's have a plastic welt so the Wingshooter should be easier/cheaper to resole
I bought a pair of those Chippewa Apaches when I got promoted to a supervisor at my job 20 years ago. They looked like shoes but were rugged enough for work in a warehouse. They were horrendous to break in but were incredibly tough. Once broken in they were great and aged well.
When measuring your foot size make sure you have had a decent day on your feet. Your feet expand during the day. So dont take your foot measurements in the morning, after a long drive, or working in a office. Make sure you have had a long walk or been on your feet most of the day. I use to work in a boot shop and i could measure my feet in the morning and after a long day on my feet and could have a difference of near half a size or full width.
Those chippewas were my first heritage style boots as well. I've had them for about 10 years and they've held up incredibly and are very comfortable. Still my favorite boots for riding ky motorcycle
I enjoyed the hunting story, wish I could draw an elk tag.
I appreciate the wealth of information and passion you bring to boots. You have a laser like focus on what is and is not working in footwear. As someone who: 1. wears boots 2/3rds of my life and 2. likes to be an informed consumer; I have learned so much from your channels over the last few years.
Drawing a good elk tag in Utah, Nevada, Arizona is going to take 10-30 years honestly it sucks. I buy otc tags in some states but it’s not as good of a hunt
@@Lexidezi225 Yea, I'll probably be shooting deer for the rest of my life.
Was a great story, I have even more respect now for Weston. 🫵
The sizing point is the best imo, I went into Red Wing and they sized me at 9.5 which is 2 whole down from sneakers. So had I bought online and not gotten sized I would’ve completely screwed myself on an expensive purchase.
I would rather get it too big the first time
Honestly Jim Green’s are my go to’s now. Got a double deal on the African ranger and Chelsea basically new on eBay and I’ve been wearing them nonstop. Great info!
How do you like the Chelsea’s? Are they the stockman? I like the idea of those but don’t see many reviews of them
stockman or the other one? are they ok in the ankle? i'm planning to buy them, but they will be my first chelsea style boots I don't know how should they fit
Ah yeah, sorry folks. I got the Stockman. I honestly love them and the fit is pretty nice. My only personal complaint is that the instep is a little bit low and causes a high pressure point, but I deal with that on all my non-custom shoes. If your instep doesn’t give you trouble in other boots and shoes, then you should be good!
My first pair was also Chippewa service boot and 11 years on they still look great in fact I remember about 5 years ago throwing them at rocks and what ever I saw to age the things
Elk dude was just chilling, hanging out with his babies, scraping with the boys, and here comes uncle Kyle and the whole morman squad slinging led, ruining the vibe
I got Wolverine 1000 miles on sale for around $280 for my first heritage style boot. I thought they were more office wearable than others and I do wear them to the office. They are defiantly more clunky than a casual dress shoe but they look badass.
From my own personal xp I totally agree with you. I work on a farm. Last year my cheap boots failed and I needed a new pair asap. I got a pair of Iron Rangers because, I thought, I could use them now and when I had moved on from this job, I would have them after for personal wear. They are great boots. However, because they're so nice, I have long felt that I should have gone with something more entry level.
The way I used to breakin new combat boots is a short force march, and before folks call me crazy, the pain of unbroken in boots comes with standing for me more than walking. Walking with a heavy load for like 10 minutes the extra mass means you slide less, less blisters, and your foot pad presses down harder on the insole. After take them off and let them dry. Two or three times I they are set and I can go all day in them.
I've watched a few hours from content from you and I feel I have a pretty good grasp of the basics. Now I get why my 10 year old timberlands still look and function decent in the leather parts and have fallen away everything else. Great channel man.
Yeah my timberland Men's Chocorua Waterproof Mid Hiker Boots fell apart at the soul other shoe and the inside material rubbed away so it's all shredded and crappy. I'm looking at JK boots and Red wing for my starter mid/ high grade boots. I'm still trying to get opinion for my use case though
I just bought and got in my African Rangers (got the regular instead of barefoot because I wanted that steel shank support) and they feel great. Had a little hiccup with UPS getting them to me, but I wore them for the first time today. Immediately put insoles in them, and I think they're gonna break in just fine. Thanks for awaring me to these.
How are they going, I was thinking of getting some Jim Greens as my first leather shoes too.
@TravisHi_YT theyre going great. I've been wearing them as my primary shoe/boot. I haven't put miles and miles in them because I wear other shoes for work, but aside from putting insoles in them (just some Dr Scholl's Heavy Duty Support) they still feel great and look great for all day wear. I dont regret this purchase at all.
First pair of dress boots: Born Chelsea boots. love them still use to this day.
First pair of work boots: Redwing Irish Setters. Very narrow, destroyed both pinky toes. Donated after a month.
First pair of Heritage style boots: Jim Green Baobabs, love them still in the break-in process. Best feeling on the sole out of all Jim Green Boots so far.
Current work boots: Jim Green Razorbacks with Safety Toe (9)/Keen Cincinnati with Composite Toe(9W)
My first pair was a pair of lineman 2904 from redwing. I got it for 30 bucks at a thrift shop. I've been researching boots for 2-3 years at that point and was knowledgeable enough but didn't really have the money to spend at the time. So when I saw that I jumped on it like a wild animal. Sometimes it pays to be a nerd.
I got a pair of Thursday Captains after your first review, I agree these are a great pair of boots. I really wanted the slim silhouette and they look sharp! Thanks for your reviews, man, they definitely have helped me find exactly what I was looking for and I appreciate you. 🙏🏼
I'm glad you had a good experience.The speed hooks popped out of my Thursdays after less than 100 wears. $200+ boots and they wouldnt fix thier crap quality control.
@@LCo4874 geez, that’s pretty terrible. Hopefully that was just an isolated incident, but that’s pretty awful that they didn’t want to repair it. I’m sure it’s a cheap fix at a cobbler, though, right?
For me Thursdays just weren’t comfortable. They were too narrow and felt weird. Then, after reading multiple good reviews, I thought that it just my weight foot, and I gave a Thursday gift card to my friend. He also bought a pair, then changed size, but also ended up returning them. Recently I gave them the last chance and bought a pair for my wife. And guess what? After three size exchanges we just gave up. No more Thursdays for me. Btw, I have about 10 different boots, from White’s and Trumans to Iron Rangers. But only Thursdays didn’t work out for me.
Same exact story here, Loving these Captains!
@@kosta2177 that really stinks. I do have narrow feet and ankles, they honestly fit me perfectly, I guess I just got lucky. Well, I hope your boot adventures since have been more successful
I am glad Weston put out a video like this. There are many ideas we might have about boots that are incorrect. Regarding construction, I thought a leather or hard rubber outsole is best, combined with a cork or leather, midsole, and a leather insole/foot bed.
While these are very tough and durable, they are not comfortable to be. I wore a pair of Red Wing moc toe boots casually for almost a year. They had the leather footbed and even a foam-ish outsole.
While they were very tough and durable and the leather insole did conform to my foot like it was supposed to, the lack of rebound or give from the leather was uncomfortable to me. I ended up selling those boots (also, buying second hand boots can save you money!).
I tried a pair of Thorogood moc toe boots. They also have a foam rubber outsole, but a foam insole. So dang comfortable from the first step out of the box. A lot of rebound and give.
Sooooo, know what features and characteristics to look for in a boot. Also, find a store where you can try on multiple brands and styles. You may think you want one type, but a different brand or style may feel better on your foot.
I bought my first pair of leather boots almost 3 years ago. I had no clue what I was supposed to look for. But the use case was for all year-round everyday boots. I live in Nothern Europe where the weather swings a lot, 25C in summer, -25C, and a lot of snow. There happened to be this one very small local LP and hand-made clothing stockist store. At the time, I did not know they were also stockist for Solovair. While doing my research found this channel and also found that Solovair is a decent brand for the price. I still ended up buying those Solovairs from that store, just to support local businesses and skip the hassle with taxes, customs, and possible returns. Because of the previously mentioned harsh winter conditions, I ended up buying half-size up from my usual to have room for thick wool socks. During summer, I have an extra thick insole. That wool sock test is definitely my new standard when looking for winter boots.
Helpful video. I have spent thousands over the past decade from Army to public safety and to bow hunting and beyond. I think I have tried just about every brand under 300 and now own a few Nick’s boots. I remember Garmont service boots where my go to in Army. Only to get a leather duty boot in black leather. I have wide feet and that boot was not wide. A painful lesson. Boots do not stretch as much one thinks. You said it well. One thing I have learned is a good paid of Merino wool socks can make a huge difference.
Wow what an elk. Great shot. They are such cool animals.
Great story on that hunt. Those two young bulls owe you !! Another great idea is to check factory seconds of some of the mid-high brands. Some good deals there.
First time I've heard a RUclipsr tell a hunting story like I or my friends would tell each other. Love the channel man, thanks for helping me make more informed boot purchases.
I bought my first pair of whites 25 years ago I own 6 pair of whites 3 different styles. 1 pair of Wesco, 1 pair of drews I love them all 1 pair of my whites I had rebuilt by Frank's and had them lined for the winter my next pair will be Frank's they do very good work
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For baristas out there, be aware you need oil resistant soles. If espresso or some syrup gets on the tile floor it will make night and day difference. Deanite, Grant Stone and Thursday soles dont work there unfortunately. Vibram 430 mini lug, v bar, doc Martin soles and cork soles work great. Tgis is one area where docks and solovare are good value though they are hated by many boot enthusiasts
Same goes for chefs or kitchen hands I guess.
Yeah I discovered Dainite is good for wet floors, but not wet floors with some moss or algae on it
As a Brazilian who newly arrived in Toronto for a living, I'm pretty new to the 'boot world' so this kind of video is so helpful. I always liked this kind of roughed style of men's wear (that's why I've subscribed to your first channel for so long), but in the warm weather in Brazil is just not practical. I'm planning on acquiring my first boot, Blundstone is so popular here, but being a long-time subscriber, I just can't pull the trigger 😆 I'm going try some Canada West Boots or Thursdays to start it all, maybe in winter, I'll have to run to a 6-inch Timberland 'cause of the insulation and all of that.
As a Montrealer, I highly recommend Canada West! I got a pair of their Romeos (not insulated) and wear them throughout the winter with 2 pairs of socks (cotton and wool). And I've never had a problem with freezing toes 😊 They also sell insulated ones though, if you're planning on being outside all day in the winter.
@@annebojko9863 thank you so much for the feedback! The only problem is that they are hard to find haha but I'm gonna search for them here in TO. Do you have any suggestions for a rugged Chelsea-style boot other than Thursday and Blundstone for this price range?
@KMVS8686 first time
What size u fit, I am Torontoian , would like to sell my chewppawa , 1000 miles brand new. Forget about blundstone cannot compare heritage boot.
For the HVACR mechanics, the 34317 boot from Canada West has really been a changer from Dewalt Nitrogen's. Long hours, in an out of trucks, roofs, ladders, boxes, salt, snow, water, they've been great for the year that i've had them.
As usual, Rose Anvil gives great, well researched, comprehensive content. But unless he has cut the boots open that you’re considering, it’s impossible to know the inner workings/construction of said boots unless the maker’s specify in their description especially in the x
Man loved the story and the way you put this all together keep it up
I love my Danner Quarry boots. I've had them at least 8 years, wearing them daily a high percentage of the time. Time broke them in.
I've a pair of Blundstone. I like them a lot for what they are (very easy to put on to take the dog out.) I put mink oil on them when it started getting we outside and they instantly looked different. I'd say drastically, and interestingly. At first I thought I ruined them instead of protecting them, but I actually like the look a lot. I'd worn them a decent amount, and gotten them wet a few times - the mink oil highlighted the folding in the leather, and some burnishing.
I got a pair of Georgia boots a few years back. I'ven't really worn them much. They look so pristine compared to all the other clothes I wear that they almost bother me. Thus, I was looking in to if I could do something to tone down the appearance without harming them. I wouldn't rate them as a highly functional work boot, so that's another reason they have sat around.
I think the Danner are a very good boot. I'd been recalcitrant about spending over $300 on footware, but knowing how other guys have had their Danners over 20 years made me feel good about trying them out. They'll put new bottoms on if you need them for a hundred bucks, so there's ease of mind.
I liked that you told the story about the elk hunt to illustrate what you were looking for, awesome that you got a tag. Still trying to get one myself.
I first got a pair of Iron Rangers, and I broke those in by wearing them with two pairs of thick wool socks. The breakin was pretty rough. I overconditioned them that first year so the amber harness colour is more of a very dark brown now, but they've got a nice patina to them (they're going on nine years of life!). I recently started adding some Thursday boots into my collection too, with a pair each of Captains, Vanguards, and Presidents. Those were a lot easier to break in, though the Vanguards were probably the worst of the lot breakin-wise (but probably my favourite pair of the three). Looking forward to being able to get a pair of Viberg service boots in shell cordovan one of these days!
This is almost the same story as mine.
I was like you I have worn Chippewa and redwings as a Wild firefighter and when before I became a mechanic I asked my friend if by a pair of bucks was worth it he said “yes” from then I saved for them and bought them for my every day and everything boot I just got mine yesterday and I have to say while the brake in is slightly painful they are very comfortable when I’m just walking. I understand why and these boot will allow me to do everything that I used to have two or three boots to the same job
My brannock size was 14 on one side and 13 on the other. I buy my boots in 11.5 it's crazy. I like a good snug fit. The guy at Red Wing sold me a size 13 and it was comically oversized. I took them back and got my 11.5 and was super happy.
For any Canadians looking for a budget heritage style boot, try to track down some Canada West boots. Their sales model is a little weird and doesn't quite help them get many boots out, but they're made in Winnipeg, are priced pretty comparably with the rest of the non-heritage boots from major retailers, they have a pretty wide range of styles with a good selection of CSA triangles, and I've had zero complaints about their durability.
I'm a HD mechanic and I got four years of work out of my first pair, and I only replaced them because I caught a sharp edge and cut most of the way through the side of one of them, but not all the way. My workplace's boot allowance would let me get a new pair every year and I just haven't needed to, unlike the guys who just go to Marks, spend roughly the same amount of money, and do need another pair when that time of year rolls around again. And after four years my boots didn't stink like theirs do by the end of summer.
Great video and very informative!
In the budget segment of boots I recommend trying to find a boot with a leather insole or (more likely) a leather-topped insert. Standing directly on leather is (in my opinion) awesome! :)
It's cooler than foam and does not stink.
Yep. And once it does break in it's more comfortable, imo.
I started with Danner, then Thorogood, Thursday boots, and currently in LOVE with Truman Boots.
Enjoying all channels real good information. This is a much needed video 👍🏾👍🏾
Thank you for all your videos and knowledge you have passed along to us all. My knowledge for boots has risen 10 fold because of you
Just gotta say, great channel man! I’ve thoroughly enjoyed a nd benefitted from your channels for a couple years now. I loved the story of that monster bull you got! I always enjoy when you throw in mentions of your hunting and wildland fire life. Would love to hear more of that. The first pair of boots I had was a “semi-heritage” pair of Red Wings. Then I got into wildland fire with my brothers worn out Nicks. Then I got my own White’s 12” elk tan roughouts for my second season (and beyond. Have one rebuild on them). I’m not in fire full time anymore so now for the past six years I’ve had a pair of Red Wing 10877 moc toes. So basically 3 1/2 pairs of boots in my 25 years of labor on the farm, in excavating, in wildland fire, and now as a forester. I can’t say enough about high quality boots being worth it, based on my own experience, but your channel has taught me a lot as I look to get a rebuild done combing the wedge sole and moc toe styling of my Red Wings, and the high arch, support, and comfort of my White’s. Thanks so much for the awesome work you do! Keep it up! And keep the fire and hunting stories coming!
Thanks for all you do. I used your videos when I was looking for my first pair of high quality boots. I chose a pair of Red Wings and I love them. I followed Red Wings recommendation of a half size down and they are the best fitting shoe/boot that I've ever worn. (After I finally got them broken in that is)
Bought the Vince Summit Suede Lug Boot. They're fine. I like the way they look. No need to overthink it.
Congratulations on the awesome Elk hunt. I still waiting to get my first boots. Love your videos!
I’ve bought two pairs of boots in my life. One was some $120 pair in the mall that had a zipper. The second was the Thursday Captains. Love my Captains and will buy a couple more Thursdays before moving up a tier. Prob get a pair of Iron Rangers
Wesley, you put together a nice guide on how to buy your first boot. I am not familiar with all of the earlier boots that you cut in two, so I am giving this suggestion in the dark. I think it would be helpful for those starting their journey into informed boot buying if you would dissect entry level boots.
I think it would be helpful for entry level boot buyers if you made a priority list of boot construction features - like if the purpose of buying a pair of boots is to:
be on your feet a long time/ have the cheapest re-solable/etc, then you’ve got to have (fill in the feature) and you can put (fill in the feature) a little further done the list of what you want in your boot.
I am a gal with small wide feet who love barefoot shoes and I wish that there were more boot makers that would make men’s size 4 boots. Would you be able to highlight boots and boot makers that I could buy from?
Hello fellow wide footed gal! Redwings and nicks are two brands he has reviewed the women's versions of. They have the sizing that would work for you at two different price points. For a more barefoot style check out lems boulder boot, also reviewed on the rose anvil channel and has women's sizing with a wide footprint. Hope that helps!
@@Drwhitecloud I have the waterproof Chelsea boots from Lems. I really like them but wish the outer sole was more suited for hiking. I just wish there were more boot makers that would have sizing appropriate for small wider feet.
i still wanna see the battle of the big box store boots. every time im like "ima get a really nice set of boots" i end up getting the 40$ special from walmart "Brahma Men's Alpha Waterproof 6" Steel Toe Work Boots" honestly i want a nice boot, but i can't try them on.
I get scared to buy a 200-500 dollar boot that i cant feel on my feet first. but these bragma's are at least not a bad boot. i use them for work / welding in. they last about a year. the sole will basically get grinded off in about a year and the insole will fall apart after 4ish months of hard working or 6ish months of light work. then i just replace that insole and laces as the laces are just junk in general but i wont replace something that aint broke right away.
my other issue is like you said in this video. my show size can be a 9.5 or a 10... while my boots can be a 9 or a 9.5, i just dont want to spend all that money for a boot that might not fit and have to send back. also my feet are not the same size. my right foot's pinky toe sits much farther up then my left foot making my left foot in this weird position that feels like i have a clown shoe on at some times. im just torn cause i want a nice every day boot like a jim green or a chippewa. i just can't pull the trigger on it... damn i ranted to long im sorry
My first pair of Boots in 2009 were RW 8146 for the Winter, than followed an Iron Ranger 8111, the third a RW 875, and the last till know a RW Weekender in Hawthorne Muleskinner, in November I will look for a blacksmith 3345. I wear them the whole year every day.
For break ins, what I try to do is plan the purchase of a pair of these type of boots around a camping trip. Get the boots, put ‘em on for the camping trip and don’t take them off for anything. I broke in my first heritage boots (iron rangers like 7-8 years ago) in a week camping in the Ouachita mountains through a tropical storm. My ankles took a beating, but those boots fit like a glove by the end of the week, and they’re still going strong to this day with a couple of resoles
This is a good video. Mid range boots like Chippewa and Carolina are still good even if some of the components are iffy. As long as the leather is full grain and outsole is Vibram can’t really go wrong. Poron instead of cork isn’t all bad.
I bought my first boots when I'm still in highschool and hasn't work yet, I pick it solely because the leather is nice cuz I don't know anything about design and construction yet. it's not the best but it's enough to accompany me until I have a job and able to buy better boots, to my surprise it's still hold itself together after years, got some damages. But still serviceable
I bought my first good boot, Chippewa Modoc comp toe, based on your first videos. They've been great for over three years of steady winter use. Until they are destroyed, I won't be wearing my ND1's for anything... messy 😂
My first pair of heritage boots was some red wing iron rangers . 8085 and I’m super happy I got them
One thing I can say as a tip is that you can buy some of these boots 2nd hand and refurbish them yourself. Clean them, condition them, new insole, new laces and if you do not like them sell them again. I found Vibergs, Whites, Red Wings and Trumans for a fraction of the retail and they look and feel fantastic.
4:30 🤣Im dead man!
9:40 You are killin the edits fam! Hahahah
Please do the Chippewa classic 2.0s. I loved my original pair and am glad to see them come out with these, but let’s see inside!!!
I wear a lot of Alden's boots. Here are my tips for new folks looking at boots:
1. Wear big thick socks when you buy them. Think like wool thick winter socks. It will help you size them correctly.
2. Get cedar shoe tree's and use them every time you take off the boots. I leave new boot's in trees for a month just to stretch as I find it helps the new boot's break-in faster with less stress to my feet once I start wearing them. Also replace the cedar shoe tree's every year or so. Some people say you can sand the tree's to bring them back to life. I have tried and didn't think that worked.
3. Use a pencil to crease the boot along where your toes flex to get a straight and solid flex joint across the toe box. It helps make thick leather boots break in faster and lets you control where the leather is flexing at.
4. Once you get a boot you like and are wearing daily. BUY ANOTHER and do the same break in procedure you did with the first one. I know it's expensive but I have found that if you alternate boots everyday they last 4 times as long. You are still going to have to resole both pairs but I have found that you can resole them an additional few times which allows you to squeeze some more use out of them. I also find the interior of the boot's stay fresher longer. Just remember you have to put cedar shoe trees in them once you take them off everyday.
5. I always replace the laces on my boot's with kevlar laces off ebay. I have used waxed laces and leather laces before I found the kevlar laces. The waxed and leather laces use to always break after about 3-6 months on me. I have had kevlar laces for 5 years and they still look new and haven't needed to be replaced.
6. Keep them clean and keep them hydrated. I use saddle soap to clean my boots with simple 99 cent toothbrush and a rag. Then use Venetian Shoe Cream and rub that in really well then rub the excess off with a dry clean rag. I do that about every month ish.
If you do all those things your boot's have a good chance to last years if not a decade before needing to be replaced.
Lots of great info! I sadly bought a pair of Doc Martens in 2017 that are still in good shape, but I'm a bit disappointed that they are not really good quality. I've learned a lot here, and will definitely apply it when I want to buy a pair of boots to replace the Docs. I'd love to have a pair of boots that I could keep for the rest of my life, resoling if needed. I'm not a worker that needs such footwear, so they'd probably last a really long time for me.
I went to Annapurna base camp in DMS and nearly broke my neck. So slippery, got wet too. Absolute garbage.
Jk boots at 350 dollars are good. Pay the extra if you can. It's gonna last.
I wear 12 in Nike/Jordan, and they fit me very snuggly, but not too tight, exact fit. That being said I used to get my USA made boots a size down, 11, but recently I have changed my philosophy. Now I just get all of my footwear in 12. I do this because for the boots, which obviously have a roomier/bigger fit than sneakers, it leaves extra room for thick socks which I like to wear with boots. Also, with durable boots also being very tough and difficult to break in, it puts less compression on my toes and allows my feet to spread out into their natural shape in the boot. Before I was picky about having my toes right at the edge of my toe box, but with staying “true to size” now I have about a half inch of extra room between my toes and the end of the toe box which I realized does not bother me at all in daily use, and it’s nice because when I put forward pressure on them, my toes don’t get shoved up and compressed against the tip of the toe box like before. So that’s my new philosophy, to actually get the same size that I get in sneakers as boots.
I got a pair of these in 11EE (more EE sizes in all shoes later) for $55 on crazy sale and wore them for years. Then I had Brian the Bootmaker relast them to my measurements and resole them to v100 with a storm welt. They're pretty incredible now.
I’d like to see more on boots like the redwing 402, 2245, 595 and 952. I’ve used a pair of the 2245 for rigging where we walk steel beams and kick steel and shackles all day. I’m three to fours years in and they’re still have not a stitch undone, and no separation at all in the soles, tough boot. I have a pair of 952’s that I can pair with jeans or khakis and wear to church. They have poron insoles but they hold up very well with no deterioration as far as I’ve seen. And they’re an unlined leather boot (besides the vamp) which works in Fl. They can be found at stores (or ordered), on line or eBay and for much less money. Just a good overlooked boot. I’ve even seen some resoles of the 952 etc that look fantastic.
My go-to work boots are by Georgia low heel lace-to-toe. I keep them in my Amazon cart and get notice when there's a price drop. Just got my last pair for $105 shipped. A couple of tricks I've learned...
Quality control always has some holes. If I'm ordering with a free return I'll get 2 pair and keep the 2 best boots and return the other set. I always get leather laces , kilties, and insoles from Nicks to upgrade. The contrast if you lace up the kilties rough side up looks great, especially with a lace-to-toe style. Understanding the difference between how much width you need and how much volume you need goes a long way to dialing in your fit. I need wide boots but they almost always feel sloppy until I add the leather insoles to take up the extra space.
Love the format and channel. You're helping me understand and appreciate boots a lot more
Timberlands are okay for work boots, they are not heritage boots, but budget friendly for construction. Redwing is another quality boot along with Irish Setter. I bought the Ashby Moc toe Irish setter to beat up, and the Irish Setter Wingshooters Moc toe for my better work boots and casual wear in a soft toe. The wingshooters are going back for the Redwing model 2440 or 2441. Those are part of the work wear line, vintage style, made in Vietnam, waterproof lining models, wedge sole, dedicated heels, etc. The Redwing classics are made in the USA and they are $60-$100 more, heavier leather, old school classics and higher quality throughout. Also a longer break in period. The Iron Ranger is one of the boots in that lineup.
Had a lot of boots finally got my hands on a couple pair of whites. Don’t think I’m going back to redwing or anything less anytime soon. Nicks next more than likely
I believe the new 2.0 version of the Chippewa boots are now imported instead of made in USA. I hope you will get a pair to cut in half to see how they compare to the previous version. I’m thinking about getting some for Christmas. I have two pair of the ones made in the USA. I’m glad they brought them back.
I bought a pair of Red Wing Blacksmiths after watching your Red Wing video and thanks they are my favorite shoes and I can tell you why now.
Waiting for a review of some of the Missouri Leatherworks Civil war re-enacting boots.
I have 5 pair of Chippewa service boots in different colors and they are some of my favorites. I wear them more than my Red Wing Iron Rangers.
I've had various styles of boots in the past with various difficulties in breaking in, but nothing could have prepared me for a brand new pair of iron rangers. Even have their shaped comfort footbeds to get the sizing right. First I wore them at home for a couple days and didn't think they were that bad, but the first time I went out in them, I wore them just for a couple kilometers around town and my heels were already ready to break into blisters and my shins were sore for a couple days afterwards. I learned that I'm definitely going to be using an extra pair of socks for a while, I really need to tighten them down properly so that my heel stays put, and still I'm gonna start with very short walks in them until we get along better.
I’m going to say that for your first time wearing a boot you definitely wanna go 8 inch especially with the logger styles. It takes time to get used to wearing a heel and a tightly torqued 8 inch boot will offer your ankles unparalleled support and stability. I weigh about 280 and I stand on some really spidery ankles given my upper mass ( I always suffer ankle problems when I hike or go off-road ). The 8 inch or higher tied tightly actually helps to hold me up. Anyways I have a few cheap pairs vs a good pair cause I wanted to try the 6 inch out l I’ve got a pair of golden fox service boots that I really like. Helps that the crepe rubber sole is 1/2 an inch thick and should hold up for years. Try the cheap ones out too cause mine are holding up fine. Now eventually I do plan to score a pair of iron rangers or 1000 mile boots for my at home shoes ( the 1000 milers and the iron rangers in black can and probably will go to the office a few times a week too since I can now get both in black). Regardless don’t sleep on the golden foxes. They’re cheap enough to buy 2 pairs in 2 different colors like I did
I would say go with a brand of boots that you can trust, for me personally it’s always been red wing
That elk hunt is awesome. Nice job.
My first affordable goodyear welt boot was a Wilcox Kern boot that came with a black wedge sole. It is a pretty comfortable boot and still looks great after wearing it every week this past year. I think my Jim Green african ranger is my most comfortable boot after i put a new insole with high arch support. Those are my cheapest boots now and I still love them both. I have since acquired boots with better materials but I still wear those two boots frequently because they are great boots, especially my african rangers, those are my rehab boots when I need to rest my feet in a really comfortable boot.
Here’s an idea for the Rose Anvil Builds channel. Test out some Carolina & Georgia (Gravel Gear from Northern Tool could be a substitute for either) unlined logger boots for a bit. Resole and upgrade them to have higher quality leather insole, midsole, leather welt, and heal stack instead of the fiberboard, plastic/rubber welt, and one piece outsoles. Then test the upgraded versions for a period of time.
It would be interesting to see how their affordable more heritage style boots stack up to quality ones initially. The biggest point of interest would be to see if they would be worth the expense of buying for less then investing in the upgrades to bring them more in line with mid-tier or better heritage footwear like Iron Rangers or 1000 milers.
The Wyatt and dad cobbler channel has done an upgrade on the Georgia, and Trenton & Heath have upgrade a few fiberboard boots. I haven’t seen a trial to see if it might be worth it to get a more affordable boot and pay for the internal component upgrades to make it nicer though.
That sounds perfect for y’all to try though.
My first heritage boot was also the Chippewa Apache! 129.99 on Amazons 2013 black Friday sale!
Thanks for sharing that awesome once in a life story. Definitely every boot comes with a story
This is a super helpful video. I have a pair of Redwing Moc Toe that I have owned for years and love. I want a pair of PNW boots but live in the UK so it is super expensive to buy something you can't try on. This video gives me some other options so when I pull the trigger on those, I know I will get the size right.
Hey man, I love watching/learning from your channel. With all the newfound knowledge comes even more options and difficulty in buying a boot. Please steer me in the right direction. Please forgive me ahead of time for my lengthy message. My current work boots are close to 30 years old. Other than the last 4 years of using them about 50-60 hours a week, they were used for about 25 hours a week. They’ve been resoled a couple of times and haven’t needed much more than maintenance until now. They need some stitching. I’ve probably got about 25 years left to work and want a new pair of boots that will be as comfortable as my current boots with more life in them. I have been back to Red Wing but they don’t have anything that I LOVE and I don’t want to spend good money on something that I don’t love. I’d rather spend a little more to be thrilled with my purchase. I have pretty particular desires and they can’t match those desires. My boot hasn’t been made in some time. They look similar to 1907. They have 3 D-rings on the bottom and 2 speed hooks on top. 5” boot I believe and I can very very easily get my foot in and out of the boot. I realize that no one uses D-ring anymore so I have to surrender to that loss. I am currently looking at the Wood Butcher. I want these mostly for work (I hunt iguanas for a living) but also would like to wear them out casually. Please help. Thank you in advance
Thanks, this was helpful. I’ve never bought boots before but would like to have a shoe for more than a year.
Unrelated but your celebrity twin is Hozier.
Thank you so much for this video. I really appreciate this sort of overview information, especially concerning that list of entry level price range bootmakers. I recently commented on another video suggesting a look at the brand Golden Fox as in would a sub $200 boot be worth investigating. While not included in this video, it feels like you've definitely addressed my interests by providing this info on some other brands other than the obvious ones many already know.
my impulse to break in leather has always been to just wear em all the time. in high school we joked about "hazing" our feet breaking in boat shoes, but that's like little league in comparison. just try to be careful and know your limit on break in: a couple mile walk can leave your feet aching for days if you're not careful early in the break in. but once you do get em to the place you want, it's kind of an accomplishment. and even if they're still harder than sneakers, fit like a glove in the end
To avoid blisters on your heels I can recommend gel-lined socks.
Everywhere else try something like layers of kenesiotape, fixomull, duct tape, or moleskin patches to build up cushioning to prevent blisters.
MUGGS QUESTION: how to store my MUGGS during a Los Angeles summer?? I store seasonal stuff in vacuum bags w/ desiccant packets. Bad for leather? What about bugs? What conditioner to use?
1yr fan. VERY Excited 2 receive my MUGGS 📦! Most I’ve spent 💵 on footwear. Expect to enjoy for many decades.
Video idea: what makes a good 🥾 cobbler? What to ask and request?
Video idea: how to make leather shoe at home?
Ur enthusiasm for leather & footwear is infectious and educational. With so much fast & cheap fashion, it’s nice to learn how to purchase something that will last. Thank you!
Jim Green is doing some really cool stuff. Probably the best in their segment for build quality and durability. I have some Thursdays and some Jim Greens and I'm far more impressed with the Jim Green boots.
How are the Jim Greens after a month?
@TravisHi_YT I've had my African rangers for a year now and have loved them
I bought vivo magna esc, not sure if it's good but I wanted wide barefoot and flexible, well it wasn't as wide as I wanted even when I went for largest size on amazon 12.5. but it got streached overtime
You should do a video like this for the different styles of boots, like do one like this for mock toes.
Dude that trophy elk is beautiful
Congrats man
I bought first pair boots last month. Red wing 1907. Great boot. Although might want to swap the sole for something more rugged.
I'm glad you mentioned Beckett Simonon. I know they have a fake Goodyear welt but are blake stitched. I don't completely know what is in them. I think cork and I believe they say the insole is "leather lined" so ill have to see of you cut one. Otherwise id definitely like to see cause i work for a living and have my boots for work, actually the thorogood you cut last year, just cleaned them too. But i want a nice dressier boot for church or going to a gathering cause i have my nice clothing even like 4 pairs of Japanese raw denim selvedge jeans and I wanted the Thursdays boot made in USA, not the logger,but with the waxed flesh Horween leather, or a pair of Beckett Simonon. They sold out of the Thursdays in my size but I spent a bit too much on shirts and pants from N&F recently, so i can wait. I have a pair of chukkas that are okay i don't normally like that style but they made these okay looking. Fake welt. But they have a shank some leather thats lined, very thin but they get me by and were $25 at a second hand store. I should go to more of those in the more stylish neighborhoods when I can.
A boot that I can wear casually but also use on a serious hunt is exactly what I’m looking for.
Grant Stone. The obvious ootion albeit at the 300 -350 range. Super comfortable boots and high quality construction.
The elk story was great man. Thanks for sharing.
Much appreciated video, I learn a lot about choosing the right boots on your channel - even though not all of these brands are available on Europe.
I don't know how common are German or Italian hiking boot brands in the US, but they share a lot of similarities with the more premium US brands you mentioned (handmade boots, goodyear or norvegian welted soles, full leather lining etc).
I would love to see your analysis on a Hanwag Grünten / Meindl Badile / Zamberlan Latemar or similar in the future! :)
Stitchdown or Welts are the way. Merino wool socks are the light (Darn Tough). I will never own a cloth/fabric lined boot again in my life. If you dig the upgrade in quality/ruggedness/comfort from glued together junk to a $200-350 boot, you're going to fall in love with the handmade full leather offerings (Nicks, JK, etc.). Wish I'd have learned about them sooner, myself.
I have been in love with Harness Boots since I was a kid (my dad had a pair) they are widely ignored among boot channels and I am here to almost beg for a video on what are some great brands to buy. Is there anyway that you could do a Harness boot episode?
Honestly I have thorogood flyways and eventually while I do want to step up at some point, I'm perfectly happy with running these through ground first. They're just comfortable.
Regarding boots not stretching, this is anecdotal and I'm not confident I understand all that's going on here, but this is my experience. I've been in the Marines for 15 years, have hiked/backpacked for 25+, and the only two magical pairs of boots I've had were an undersized/tight pair of Corcoran Jump Boots from 2003 and a pair of Danner RATs from 2013, both of which had leather uppers that had to stretch to conform to my big wide feet. I have a pair of Iron Rangers that were sized to fit and they are not comfortable despite breaking them in over a ton of road time and hunting in the bush and swamp. Based on my experience, I would buy a pair that is a bit too narrow if going with a traditional boot with a full leather upper, with the expectation the leather upper would stretch half a size to accomodate and form-fit to my feet. It goes without saying that a narrow or short toe-box is a non-starter.
After 20 years of buying every boot under the sun and probably wasting thousands of dollars I finally broke down and ordered a custom pair of JK's which I suspect will last the rest of my life. Boot soles usually last me 4 to 5 years before needing a resole so I hope it's the last pair I will every have to buy