Debussy's Underrated Piano Concerto that you haven't heard of
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- (pr. Martha Argerich)
(yes, this is not a concerto, but it's close enough to call it one)
Not to lie, I have been listening to this piece everytime I do homework or study, it's not distracting and helps to focus. But in general, I find this piece very beautiful. This "Concerto" was actually premiered AFTER Debussy's death in 1919, since he never got the chance to premier it himself in his lifetime.
This is Fantasie! So officially not defined as concerto by him. Fantasie pour le piano et orchestre!
To me, it sounds a bit cinematic (almost as if it could accompany some Disney cartoon). I recognize some elements which come back in other Debussy pieces.
IYLTYL _Noches en los jardines de España_ G. 49, Manuel de Falla.
Debussy wasn't just an impressionist, he wrote some excellent late Romantic works and this is one of them.
Why consider you this as romantic ?
also he had strong relations with symbolist literates and intellectuals, and he refused the "impressionist" tag. It is also correct to locate this piece in his earliest phase, in which he had just started experimenting with harmonic solutions distant from tonal harmony (after the Exposition Universelle in Paris in 1889).
Thank you for uploading this gorgeous piece! The sound sensations are incredible. This is a beautiful concerto. The piano solo in itself is awesome but backed up with orchestra --it's very lovely.
It's interesting to me that you say that the Fantaisie is "underrated" and that people "haven't heard of" it. I've been familiar with it since I was a teenager. A friend of mine played it for a competition and won with it -- played it with our very excellent youth orchestra. I've heard it performed at least 2, maybe 3 times by different pianists and orchestras live, and have 2 recordings of it. It may not be as well known as other French works for piano and orchestra, but it isn't underrated or unknown.
Just because you're familiar with the piece, doesn't mean that everyone is. If a lot of people don't know about it and it's good, then it's generally underrated.
@@brent3522 Agreed. I think my point was just that this piece is much better known than the OP suggests.
I've been listening to classical music for 15 years and it's my first time hearing that Debussy wrote a piano "concerto". Usually, the most popular concerto of this time is the ones by Ravel (G and left hand).
@@jaypeej7830 Because it's NOT a concerto. Fantaisie is the best name for it--the piano is part of the orchestral fabric. It's also not comparable to the Ravel concertos--some of that composer's best music, written late in his career. The Fantaisie is not unattractive, but it's early Debussy and not as compelling or memorable as his mature music (Debussy decreed that it should not be published or performed during his lifetime).
Could you add details of the piece to the description? (It is the Fantaisie for piano and orchestra L.73, composed 1889/90.)
2 things :
1) this is not a concerto. It is a Fantaisie ! Debussy did not conceive this piece as a concerto (he was far away from the « concerto » thing). Scales and arpeggios does not mean concerto, the piano is not written in a soloistic manner, but it is a « part » of the orchestra.
2) he actually got a chance to play it in his lifetime ! But for various reasons it was never premiered.
Know this piece very well. This performance is a bit slow to my liking. If you like the music however check out Fauré’s Fantasy Op. 111 which makes a great companion to this.
I think it’s too fast but to each their own
During some bars it "smells" a bit like Rhapsody in blue. Beautiful piece. Loved it.
Date composition Fantaisie Debussy : 1889 ; date composition Rhapsody in Blue Gershwin : 1924 .... 35 years earlier
@@deodatdechampignac I didn't mean that it's plagiarism or anything like, but Gershwin surely used to hear to Debussy.
@@esojbar yes - perhaps ; but Gerschwin was used to say his main influence was Rubinstein...
1:20 Just a hint of something that was so far ahead of it's time it makes your ears perk up. This little bit of just a few seconds sounds like it would fit in a 90's sitcom theme. It's like seeing Fred Astaire coincidentally hitting a form of proto fortnite dance for a moment.
what the fuck
shit description tbh
@@stravinskyfanso mean
You should listen to poulenc, he uses that cadencial progression almost every other piece
Speak simply and understandably. Not in an highbrow way. There no shame in that !
Thank you for sharing this piece. I got back into Ravel recently, after many months of just Rach, and thought about Debussy as well, but the pieces I know didn't have great pianism, like Rachmaninoff concerto's or even the Ravel piano trio. This piece is just what I needed to get back. It sounds wonderful, not too Debussy-ish, and definitely sounds like a big concerto to me 😅.
I don't usually comment, but this is too big of a discovery to me. Thank you.
If you're into Rachmaninoff, I'd recommend checking out Xaver Scharwenka. He too wrote 4 piano concerti and they're all spectacular. Or the compositions of Ignacy Jan Paderewski: his violin sonata is one of the greatest works in the genre.
@@classicallpvault8251 That's right ! Paderewski's violin sonata is brilliant, and his piano concerto is wonderful - the 2nd movement one of the most beautiful I've heard.
I'm so happy the lifelong works of Rachmaninoff, Ravel, and Debussy can provide fodder for your cycles of attention. Please let us know what is next.
I remember first hearing this piece when I was a teenager, it was in a CD I borrowed from my grandma. It was Zoltan Kocsis's performance of this, included in the "Greatest Pianists of the XX Century" series. Like most of the pieces that I loved back then, I listened to it dozens (if not hundreds) of times, and it's lodged in my subconscious forever. Nowadays, though, my go to recording of this piece is Aldo Ciccolini's.
It's too short to qualify as a concerto. It could in theory be a slow movement of a piano concerto. Debussy either disliked or hid sonata form, which made him generally averse to long works.
I think this is just the first movement
This is the ‘fast’ first movement which is clearly in sonata form and the next to movements continue to follow the traditional properties of a concerto. If ever a piece not called a concerto could have borne the title of concerto, this one is it. It’s an early work of his and thus not very representative of what became Debussy’s style and was only performed after his death. We can only speculate as to why he chose to call it a Fantaisie. It may have to do with the nature of the material which does sound rather like a ‘fantasy’ or the cyclic elements (but then these arguments could be made for Liszt’s concertos as well). Or it may have to do with the the fact that Debussy was aware that this piece was very much not in line with the concertos written at that time which tended to follow the model of Brahms in its proportions and Liszt in virtuosic display.
1) I’ve heard of it; and
2) Is this actually Argerich? It’s not her recording with Barenboim.
I understand his dissatisfaction with the piece, as it seems a forced composition. It was also a competition entry-on a deadline I believe. It is not the artist with relaxed mind we like to see, following his fancy, but rather in a workhorse mode.
Fantaisie for piano & orchestra
Timing 20 minutes
Piece name?
Fantasie for piano and orchestra
Stop saying underrated
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its a pretty common word, what else are they supposed to use lmao
apparently, underrated is an overrated word
cease uttering "stop saying"
What a factBore. Truly boring why did he even publish this nonentity???Pianists dont care for it nor do conductors and audiences haven't Ever cared for it. Debussy Ballade is forgotten and it doesn't Ever incite interest. Faures Ballade has had more success. The recording here does it no favors .Has todays FrancoisGuy Lortat,Aimard recorded or eve programmed it. Did Casadesus,SamsonFrancoir,Cortot,Boulangerie,YvesNat,Just listen to it !Aint nothing and i mean nuttin dere!@@HenChongmingDeRen
8:26 - What happened there? Why is there a glitch in the recording?
it a rather old recording, so I think that might have to do with it, but I don't really know.
@@HenChongmingDeRen- No problem, thanks anyway for the video!
@@HenChongmingDeRen Argerich played and recorded it in 2018. If this is an old recording, it's not hers.
Only a little less boring than the more recorded'more programmed Ballade Debussy wrote. Maybe when it was new its perfumed atmosphere,languorous melodies that feel like afterthoughts meant something to nonmusicians. Ive heard it many times and always and I Do Mean always find something bettah To DO!
You are a jerk.
Interesting Sound World.
So what is the official name of this work?
Fantaisie pour piano et orchestre
What is the name of the piece? You didn't tell us!
Literally just search up Debussy Piano Concerto
It’s the Fantasie for piano and orchestra by Claude Debussy. Great piece and is effectively a concerto, but without that title. Enjoy :)
It's called "The Not as Good as Ravel Concerto".
Why was the orchestral reduction not included?
Why didn't this free RUclips video that you edited in your free time not contain something I wanted to see? You sound so entitled.
This sounds like Debussy, but also it doesn't. My guess is that it is an early piece.
You’re right. Early Debussy does already have a well developed (and in my opinion worthy of our attention) and unique ‘sound’ as your comment suggests, even though he moved away from it. Much like Scriabin.
@@ChristovanRensburg Thanks, I suppose what I meant is it sounds a bit derivative, (eg. a little bit of Rachmaninov here and there). He has not found his complete voice.
@companyomidayendeh5325 I suppose what I mean is that it sounds a bit like a piano concerto, and I don't really associate Debussy with piano concertos, so in that respect it doesn't sound like Debussy, it sounds a bit like the music of an earlier generation of composers who wrote piano concertos. But everything else about it sounds like Debussy.
But whats the name???
フォーレのファンタジーOp.111の方が好きです。
It is unknown because it is bad.
Why do so many pianists play trills that way? It sounds like hiccups
Go ahead, teach Martha Argerich how to correctly play trills
@@brent3522 it's a performance practice I can't agree with, that oddly timed pause right at the end of the trill or a scale.
It’s underrated because it’s not a good piece. Sorry.
It’s a great piece. Sorry.
What is this rubbish ?
You must be one of the underraters.