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I honestly can’t wait to get my hands on it. Says ships early July so hopefully mid July I get it. I have the 1st iPad Pro and love it. I still have it but my brother’s dog pulled the cable and knocked it off the table and when I went to repair the screen it’s still messed up and opens/closes apps and act like I didn’t push the screen for something and acts like it’s possessed so my Father’s Day gift was this 12.9” version. I was a trucker so I used the iPad Pro for work because my company used an app for our logbooks and then of course with the cell service version I used it as my gps and entertainment screen. I always used Gmaps and had maybe 2 issues where I went on city roads not graded for the weight of the truck but I drove past it quick and was fine. Other than that, Spotify and gmaps were great then lunch and bedtime using it watching movies and tv shows were great since I used magnets to hold it on the dash of the truck in perfect view for me to see while driving if I needed a quick glance for directions and on the closet sidewall I put magnets and they were plenty strong enough to hold it while still in the otterbox case and just wish the screen wasn’t messed up or else I wouldn’t upgrade. My wife and I box got the airtags and upgraded to the iPhone 12s and so with the “newer” model of the MacBook pros the iPad upgrade was read and a perfect case so when we take our 2yo around we can use that screen to help with learning reading simple small books to beautiful bright movies like despicable me 2 and all those yellow and purple minions.
Of course they don’t want the iPad Pro to be a true Pro device because they still want you to buy a Mac. I completely agree with everything you’ve said here, sell your M1 iPad Pro. The iPad Pro is now nearly $3,000 which is $1,000 more than what I paid for my 27” 5K iMac. Apple just put the M1 in the iPad Pro for some clever marketing making people buy it in hopes that iPadOS 15 would be a game changer before disappointing everyone then it’s too late to return it. That’s why I didn’t buy an M1 iPad Pro and definitely won’t be buying a new iPad Pro for a good few years. Stick with the 2018.
Thank you for being one of the few people to evaluate Apple enthusiastically while still holding them accountable. Apple fanboys are why apple gets away with their restricted functionality.
Here here! Perfect comment. Yes, Thx for praise and criticism where due. This is THE BEST video on the subject. The nuance of tech details here just helped make my final decision. I've been waffling and researching for weeks. This compelled me to buy a Galaxy S7 or 8 or older iPad 11. I've felt for a few years that we're getting so much power we won't really have the need for it. 80% of normal use is fine with technology from even 5 years ago!
i think you ae correct but you could say the same thing about a car:). In my very humble opinion I think what has happened over time is this “apple tech” space has gotten so crowded that people are not thinking about buying a laptop or ipad, ect and thinking in my everyday work does this help me? In my world the ipad pro helps me with drawing, creating logos, ect. So to me it helps me make money and thats all that matrers. So many people get hung up on geekbench scores, ect that they think these computers are going to think for them. I will say it until the end of time. For not all but most people an ipad pro can be a computer replacement. It can. The issue is the people on ytube that really are the 5-10% it can not and will not. They hace the loudest voice and therefore here we are. His points on here are well taken and make sense do not get me wrong. I own an agency and we now have mba m1 and imac m1 and they kick ass. Super snappy and smooth editing video, designing magazines ect. It really feels sometimes like when I used to do commercial photography. People would get so ensnarled in the latest greatest lens, ect that they kinda forgot what they were actually doing an tbh alot of them were just pervs taking pictures of “models”. All this being said the max tech guy makes good points and again this is aimed at a small percentage of users BUT if that is true why not make it ok for them. Those types will still have a mac. To me the most exciting feature coming out of os 15 is universal control because as much as sidecar is nice when traveling the screen is mini me size and having the ability to draw on ipad and bring it over is great. Hopefully apple finally brings it all together.
@@andyH_England Ya you're right, this mentality can be applied to all tech and expensive products that's why the only ones worth buying are those that give you value and make you feel like you spent your money well.
My experience is that you need to think carefully of your needs before you purchase, ipad OS and a recent iPad Pro can fulfil most of my computer requirements, does it replace the Mac, No but then it does many tasks better than a Mac…
@@ArbitraryFilmings Ya Mr. Obvious, I'm referring to the last part of your speech as a rule of thumb. Paying more for performance is worth it only if you get value out if it...
I have felt the exact same way with my brand new iPhone 12. Fastest phone ever made, but in the end, I still can’t do anything new on it that I couldn’t do on my 8. It just feels artificially held back at this point.
At the end of the day what do u expect from a new phone? a better camera, display, a little bit faster performance and a few new quirky features here and there…
GRATEFUL? That person paid a lot of money for said device, they didn't steal it (I assume lol). Why would they be grateful for something that sounds amazing but in reality doesn't do anything special?
The biggest issue with iPads is that ultimately they create a conflict of interest for Apple. They have the potential to supersede MacBooks for students and professionals, but giving them that sort of capability and user experience would hurt Mac sales. So they build a tablet that’s perfectly capable of functioning as easily as a laptop, but they won’t give it to true user inexperience improvements to make that happen. Imagine an iPad with the laptop ambition of a Windows Surface. That would be the perfect machine. As it is, I’m keeping my MacBook.
Max is notorious for this. Just saw his video comparing this t the M1 MacBook Air. He was complimenting the iPad Pro so much and now watching this video, he's getting rid of it. He is also the guy who makes videos that start "Wait, we were wrong". He seems to be wrong a lot. Feel bad for the peeps who buy products based on his videos only to find out a month later that he was "wrong".
These “frustrated” people knew what they were buying and decided to shoot themselves in the foot. 🙄 should have just waited to see what ipados 15 was like if you were anticipating make it or break it features. Not to mention it doesn’t even officially release until fall, you don’t buy a $2k iPad to install developer beta software for “productivity”.
@@kepler22-b thats because everyone is complaining about the same thing. they want "pro" apps on the ipad, but bought the new m1 ipad at a time when what they wanted didnt exist. people are mad that they got what they paid for.
@@melvinbrookins6313 it’s more the fact that every review there’s one comment that’s identical to this, the comment is literally like look at me how smart I am with this extreme knowledge… not really it’s common sense ffs
I’m a student that will use this thing for taking notes and google classroom. Also watching movies. I’m also a person that really appreciates nice tech, like a mini led 120hz display. Ppl like me are who this is for
@@andyH_England the 2018 and 2020 iterations got plenty of criticism. Some of which lead to the improvements both devices now enjoy on the software side. Did RUclipsrs get WWDC massively wrong? Absolutely. But Apple also knowingly lead them on. Even if they did not promise anything, they knew what they’re doing. Hence why it’s still worth criticizing their product strategy because ultimately its not about what Apple is promising. It’s about users getting the best experience they can pay for. And history will show often criticism becomes a better product in the future. This is all coming from a happy 2020 iPad Pro user. But that does not mean there are still things I’d love to see expanded on the software side so I welcome the criticism.
@@czaynej1051 that I can understand. It can get quite repetitive. Then again some times it takes that kind of amplification in order for things to change. That remains to be seen in this case.
I also think that we need to remember that Apple is a corporation. We need to ask, why would Apple do such a thing? For instance, Since Apple sells a $6000 display, why would Apple sell something that would make their $6000 display irrelevant. If we think about these things then maybe we won’t be surprised when Apple makes these decisions.
@@alsoulmusic the answer is: it wouldn’t. People who needs a $6000 monitor will get it. People who can’t, well… after this instead of getting an iPad will maybe get an Asus Pro Art or something like it. People like you lacks common sense.
@@alsoulmusic I disagree strongly with this. A $6000 display is a much larger display than a tiny 12.9" display. Under no circumstance is a large $6000 display becoming "irrelevant" just because a tiny 12.9" display can do *some* of what it can. The heavy lift will still have to be done by a larger display, when the user is back home from the field.
I remember what Steve Jobs said when he released the first iPad. Mobile software is like baby software. iPad Pro m1 is no longer a baby it’s a full grown hardware now but still in its core there is a baby software
I had an iPad mini which was 8 years old so I upgraded to the iPad pro m1 and I gotto say it is the best purchase I ever made... the experience is better than my desktop
Sad that once this entire ecosystem got figured out and the iPad was ready to be the Computer of the Future, they were cowards and decided to play these games. Steve Jobs would be ashamed.
Somebody clearly didn’t watch the video, iPad does have the potential to be the computer of the future, but it definitely is not this iPad or at least not this version of iPadOS. Computer of the future implies most people have absolutely no reason to hop back to a mac, windows, or linux machine for certain tasks. Unless iPadOS competes with MacOS, Windows, or Linux in terms of functionality, this is still just a roided out tablet and I will still want it, but as a tablet.
@@FinnDarius some people are already living in the future. not me, not even 5% of me, though iPhone XS Max was a good upgrade from my iPhone 5, very happy, though would love to have had the magnets of iPhone 12, but then again, the iPhone 12 and everything that comes next is a brick if it gets damaged, and Apple will charge you and arm and a leg to fix it, 3rd party fixers will not be able to fix much at all ;-)
As an ipad pro 12.9 user myself. The thing tht i hate is even after many updates not all apps support horizontal view some app are vertical by default. The ipad is not tht light fyi so its kind of annoying
Maybe in future apple will add some extra features from mac os or just transfer macos to iPad. Imo this second cant be real because what would be difference between this both devices? Touch?..
Which is weird, since thats what apple was always about. Worse on paper, but better and fester in actual use. Now they flex their chip and do the same as the rest. Lets hope they get their shit together and make ios 16 better for ipads
That is the reason I prefer my Windows laptop for everyday work. Yes Windows PC are slower but functionality is better. It takes much less learning than iPadOS. Apple just like to introduce new features without explaining how to use it IN DETAILS. Productivity suffers when need to learn new workflow procedure. I love my iPad air 4 but I can’t use it for serious work.
Reason I actually am more happier with my iPad 9th Gen than when I got my iPad Pro. The Promotion display is nice but having to do exactly everything the iPad Pro does at much cheaper price is what makes owning a regular iPad so satisfying
Remember MKBHD's saying "do not buy a product based on the "promise' of future software updates. Buy it for what it is today". I purchased the 11" model, and compared to other options I was actually willing to pay for, the M1 was pretty much the best deal since I wasn't willing to buy an older model on Amazon and Best Buy didn't have the Apple education discount and the price of the 2020 model was the same. On the latest version of iPadOS 15 it still does everything I need/want it to do and don't really have any complaints. I do have a M1 MacBook Air though, which is a huge part of the reason its down sides are not an issue.
Frankly, all I'm waiting for is for Apple to release a device like this running the full-fledged macOS Big Sur. With support for full-fledged mouse/keyboard friendly macOS Desktop apps, pen/touch friendly iPadOS/iOS apps, and with a UI that transforms depending on which form the device is in (just like what Samsung offers on their Tab S line with DeX mode). The moment they do that, that will gladly be the true upgrade to my Surface Pro 2, and my first ever Mac/iPad. Can't settle for ANY mono device having experienced the Surface Pro line, and certainly can't settle for this oversized-iPhone experience.
No reason to hate your video, it is your opinion. But I do think Apple has realised long before many RUclips-Apple-vloggers that “pro” does not equal “video- photo- or music-producers”. As a self employed legal & ethics consultant I do think I am a pro. At least my bank account does. I ditched the MacBook years ago, as the iPad Pro just is way more efficient, way better at security, way more capable as a supporting device for my professional life. I don’t care if it is called a computer, a MacBook replacement or anything else. It is just way better than any laptop I can buy at the moment, and the 2021 edition has improved enough to have it replace my 2018 edition. 5G when I am on the road. Fantastic screen. 1TB of date. Easy to connect to any kind of network my corporate clients use. Near perfect note taking, word processing, powerpoint. And did I mention superb security? Great keyboard by the way. And it looks stunning. No, I am afraid the MacBook is just not a worthy iPad replacement for my professional use.
Wow... spoken as a true Apple fan. Apple must love you; and by you I actually mean your money. "[...] I do think I am pro. At least my bank account does"... just LOL. Thanks for the laugh. Just to be clear, I am not arguing against your points. If the iPad is what you truly enjoy using and it fits you, then by all means. But, once you try flexing on people with your bank account statement as justification for your purchase.. just lmfao.
Maybe it is a matter of English not being my first language, but I don’t see I justify anything with my bank account. I just think that I can claim to be a professional if I make my money by what I do. That is all I tied to say
@@abmk4157 every single person on the planet that makes money is called a professional with that logic. But when a device is specifically targeted towards professionals, they’re typically not talking about every single person on the planet that makes money lol. Rather it’s for device power users.
I still have my 2018 iPad Pro 11” and it still works perfectly fine. It’s my daily driver on the go and so far these new iPads don’t have any significant change other than the M1.
The price doesn't matter here. You get the same status bar on the $300 budget iPad. The extra $1700 you spent was for the hardware, so you don't get to complain about the software being the same.
@@Tom_Stevens617 No you do, the whole problem with the pro is software. The problem is explicitly that the hardware isn't being used to its "pro" capabilities. The 5gb RAM limitation makes this glaringly obvious, along with everything else mentioned in this video, and the lack of software flexibility provided by an actual computer. As ever, the iPad Pro fails to live up to being a professionally competitive device.
@@yeehaw9460 indeed it is, that’s why I did not call them the same thing. iPads being computer replacements still removes market share from Macs, and 2, I don’t think iPad can be a good computer replacement for similar reasons: I don’t think you can extend to multiple monitors (I think it only mirrors content for some reason). I also don’t think iPads have the full computer version of applications like Excel and R studio.
Over a year later, I am thankful for running across this info. I was considering the Pro because the M1 chip sounds powerful enough to handle large canvas sizes, but now knowing that a single app can't use the full capability of even the 8GB mem is really disappointing. Thanks for saving me the frustration and money.
@@bennydufresne8994 It’s only because apple forbids them from doing so? You understand they have a hard limit the devs are allowed to use which literally prevents developers from ever actually leveraging the tech. Therefore artificially throttling and limiting the performance on a desktop level chip.
I detect zero lies in anything he’s said. I’m still rocking the second Gen 12.9 iPad Pro and while it’s definitely aging it still gets the job done for my use case. I want more from the software and will wait to see if Apple unleashes the power of the M1 in the iPad. Thank you for this.
Second Gen iPad Pro shows no sign of age for me, but I primarily got it for the 120hz refresh rate and larger screen size so that side by side multitasking was usable. For my use case it’s performing just as well as the day I got it. I don’t see a reason to upgrade especially given the extortionately prices, but admittedly great magic keyboard. I like upgrading hardware often but I just can’t justify replacing the iPad Pro yet. I think the problem is a lot of Apples older devices are still more than good enough. I upgraded my iPhone 11 Pro Max to the iPhone 13 equivalent as a family member wanted by iPhone 11. The MagSafe charging is the only upgrade that makes a difference in my day to day use.
I have 10,5" pro and Im changing for M1 pro, because its throttling, touch is not as responsible as I would wish and the battery is kinda weird. Also my lovely rabbit did make sure that it fell on display and it's cracked now haha. I bought it like year ago used, and if it didn't have those problems, I would keep it as well, the performance is otherwise enough for my drawing. Guess it would make laptop replacement for my mom.
Having come from a 2nd generation 12.9 " iPad Pro I am more than happy with my 2021 MI iPad Pro. Absolutely beautiful combination of engineering and software.
We have to remember this tablet is still running the same OS as the other iPads in the lineup. Unless they create features that only the Pro/Air can tap into with their overpowered chips, they’ll be limited by older slower models.
@@andyH_England tht was becoz they were hoping ipadOS on the new PRO wud hv macOS-like capability considering it is running on the same chip n abt the price, yes it is true it is the price of the hardware, but wht is the point of having such a powerful hardware if you cant tap its potential ??
@@andyH_England bcs at that time it was just marketed as a tablet (despite whats a computer and that useless stuff) bcs it had the A series chip and it was great for what it was. The new one, though better than that, still sucks. It still has all those grt features, but then what is diff in this one except the M1, which cant even be taken advantage of?
@@andyH_England Pretty sure most of the complaints are about the high-end 12.9 inch. The ram complaint doesn't even make a ton of sense for the lower end iPad Pro... given the OS will chew a chunk of RAM itself, as well as holding some things in background, you would get like 5.9 or 6.something GB of RAM, for a single app, at most. the limits on the 16GB model are non-nonsensical. Most consumers think more is better. I have a buddy who games and decided he should put 64 GB of RAM in his system. There are people who will buy this and think they are getting some benefits of more RAM, and it is disingenuous for Apple to sell that configuration. I don't think anyone is suggesting the Air is a replacement for a 12.9" pro. This video recommended the 11" iPad Pro instead. Very fair suggestion.
Yes , any regrets about returning it now ? I have had the non-miniLED 11 inch M1 iPad Pro from launch, just got a M2 Pro MacBook Pro and finally getting to experience the miniLED display that has not come to the 11 inch iPad Pro to date.
By the way Max Tech I always look forward to your uploads and commentary, I rate it the highest and you always make very insightful, valid comments - a lot of replies , myself included, fail to mention this.
Wow. I had no idea that Apple limited the iPad Pro display to SDR when using it as an external display. I completely agree with you that doing this is absolutely inexcusable for Apple. I was thinking the same thing that you mentioned - that, instead of spending $6k on a XDR display to grade HDR content, I could use an iPad Pro. Why, Apple?! Apple makes great products but doesn’t allow them to be used to their full potential. Other tech companies make good products and are just begging for us to use them to their full potential. I don’t like spending a premium on a product with artificial limitations built in!
"Why, Apple?!" - You realise you've already answered that question right?? Because: "instead of spending $6k on a XDR display to grade HDR content, I could use an iPad Pro"
It’s definitely understandable if you are simply upgrading from a 2018 version of the pro, but for someone who hasn’t upgraded for over 4 years this upgrade isn’t bad
Yeah I have a desktop pc so most of my more hardcore stuff is done on that. I just wanted the iPad for on the go and I Remote Desktop into my pc if I need some of my engineering applications. I upgraded from a 2017 10.5 inch pro and it’s so much better
Right I seriously think review channels have a disadvantage in the fact they become numb to the new technology every year. Us with old iPads absolutely can appreciate the new M1 chip with better screens.
I'll never understand why people keep spending a ton of money to buy a top of the line product, with the sole purpose of using it as something else, and then being disappointed when it's not great at the thing it's not supposed to be in the first place. Laptops are still widely available, so this whole thing makes no sense. If a laptop is the tool you need, get a laptop.
The 12.9” iPad hardware is incredible, but the software is such a let down for no reason. Sold mine and moved to M1 MacBook Air for essentially half the price. I now picked up an iPad Mini to go with my MBA and it’s a very good combo, but would love to just be able to have an iPad Pro for everything.
If you actually want a tablet (a toy) for "everything" then you're an idiot because you can hardly even do the basics of computing on a tablet and this should be obvious to most people by taking one look at the form factor. I'm not surprised you wasted money on a 12.9 inch iPad and learned the hard way.
@@chiefjudge8456 I wanted to use it as more than a toy... I shoot with a Sony A7 siii and edit in FCP on my MBA now, but used LumaFusion on the iPad Pro and it just wasn't what I wanted. The file system (or lack thereof) was the biggest problem.
As I use iPad for most things the iPad Pro M1 12.9” has been a pleasure to use my version has 1tb of ssd and 16gb of ram with one of the best screens on any device
You should buy what you want without being influenced by someone else who bought it only to make a video which makes cash saying he wants to return it. It’s a game: and you are falling for it.
@@2004cyrusNah not really because the exact thing he’s saying he wants to return it for is the reason we don’t want to buy it bro lol We want to be able to use it as our main device but it’s limitations make that impossible. So another device would be needed no matter what which makes us just buy that device instead. The video is valid my guy it’s no “game” being played to “trick” into not getting what we want😂Nobody is being persuaded to not do what they want. We wanted some truthful facts about the product and got them. Why do people like you think everybody is being “played” all the time except you? Smh crazy world man ctfuuu
As a software engineer, I always advise:"Find the software you want to use, then buy the hardware that runs it." This way, you're never disappointed. You software claims are, somewhat, valid, but keep in mind that Apple never made any promises in that regard. Yes, the "potential" is there, but until it's a reality, you should never use something that was not intended to be used in such a way. I agree that Apple's prices are too far out, and though I own many of their products, I draw the line on certain things that make no sense. Like paying over $2000 for an iPad which I KNOW WILL NOT RUN THE SOFTWARE I WANT and, therefore, will not replace my MacBook Air, for example. With that said, I use an M1 iPad Pro 11" (base model) for "iPad stuff", but I must say that it you're mostly creating documents, editing photos, or maintaining a server or a website, on the go, the iPad Pro is more than capable. My wife has the base M1 iPad 12.9" which she uses exclusively for her work and is a perfect fit for what she does, including the screen real estate that she needs. These machines *can* do it all, but unless you have the proper form factor and software to compliment, they are worthless as anything, but what they are advertise as.
apple said "it has the same m1 chip", "16g of ram" and "look at the display specs" then artificially limited its use for no reason. yes, buyer beware but with apple they know the implications and specifically chose to make the ipad have poor software support.
I love when a RUclips channel first makes a video on why you should buy a product for a month later launch a video in why you should get rid of it. Thank you for your valuable service.
That’s awesome!! 😊 The only MAJOR issue with the Air 4 is it’s only $20 cheaper then the 11 Inch iPad Pro (assuming you go with 256GB over the 64GB option).
Cuz u could barely tell a difference between the new one and the 4th gen in most circumstances Which was NOT expected The screen only really gets better looking for hdr content, which is a rarity for me at least. And the os holds back the chip so much u could barely tell a difference from the a12z in EVERY scenario I’m not hating, I’m just waiting for oled iPad b4 Apple gets my money
The iPad is falsely advertised as a ‘computer replacement’. it’s all a marketing scam. I wish I could sell mine too, it doesn’t even have a file system.
We all know why: they are a fan of a product or manufacturer (or they own the same product) and when someone says something bad about their purchase decision, it feels bad. The ego gets hurt, they even take it as an attack. The reaction is defence. It’s natural.
some people associate themselves with Apple. they think they are a true 'Apple fan' who only believes in Apple way of doing things and innovating things. They found satisfaction and fetish in picking Apple brand as if they are living to support their favourite soccer/basketball team. and yea sometimes they sucks
That’s why I purchased an iPad 9 gen cause it can do everything what an I pad pro can do except for 120 fps gaming which doesn’t makes any sense on I pad.
this clip is the best Max ever made in my eyes, very objective and deep to point out the dilemma that Apple delievered with this M1 ipad pro, awsome hardware but awful software, it's not just a minor design issue, but a fundmental strategy chaos, well done!
Not a perfect solution for everyone, but the AppStore has Some options, like shiftscreen for example. It will remove the black bars when connected to an external display.
@@jacksmith5045 $1100 is not absurd for an ultra-thin and portable device which can rival the performance of some $1500 desktops and basically has a miniaturized version of a monitor worth 5 grand.
I have a 2018 model and I get frustrated during every conference when they act like their entire work flow goes through an iPad Pro. All I do watch videos and browse the web on mine lol
Perfect for an 11” base model I agree. (And we have a separate review for that) but for the 12.9” mode that goes up to $2750+tax with keyboard case, yea this isn’t just a tablet for media.
Yep i still keep my 2018 model, use it for media consumption and gaming only. And maaan realising it got released 3 yrs ago and still kicking almost any tablet today is mind blowing 🤯🤯
And the iPad Air 4 is perfectly adequate for that. The extra money for the pro gives you a slightly better display and slightly better speakers, neither of which you are likely to notice, and FaceID instead of TouchID, which some people prefer, some people don't.
My iPad Pro (12.9-inch, 5th Gen) is stuck on the Apple logo boot loop. The iPad is two years old and is in excellent condition. Apple said it is a hardware failure. I can't believe this is happening in Apple's product.
watching this made me feel the same about the Mac mini M1, other cool temps and great hardware performance, Tim has gone the route of Intel, little incremental upgrades to keep fanboys happy. You hit the nail on the head when you said they keep bragging about the fantastic hardware but fail to mention that they crippled the software so that you have to buy rhe entire lineup. This is terrible when many have lost jobs and need a do everything device that they can afford. Compared to Android, Apple is taking the best tech and giving them out evey Christmas and not cutting edge at all. Shame on Apple, only interested in digging more bucks from their loyal fan base!!
I’d return it too. The shadowy edges are a real eyesore as you naturally look at the content till the very edge on a mobile device. 16GB RAM is a con. iPadOS even works on iPad 2 so you’re getting a very basic OS running on just 2GB RAM.
@@29kalel It’s good that you are satisfied with your purchase but I run spreadsheets on my 11” and look at stats and numbers throughout the screen. Tried it on the 12.9” and it didn’t work out for me.
@@andyH_England You’ve seen Max Tech’s comparison tests right? I don’t think anyone is complaining about more RAM, people are disappointed that doubling the RAM doesn’t give any added boost to performance. User experience is practically identical for 95% of the tasks done. iPadOS is very good, I love it! It’s from a valuation stand point that I find the 12.9” expensive. Same OS as a basic iPad, just faster. People would rather have added software features to improve productivity but what we got are a better port and centrestage cam.
@@100xSbirro To be honest, I wish I did not find out, another tuber pointed it out and ruined it for me cos I couldn’t un see it anymore. I do not wish to ruin it for you so before you click “read more” below, this is your chance to turn away 😬 It’s honestly not an issue for most people but the backlight of the panel is dimmer along the edges of the entire display. My suspicion is that engineers could not squeeze anymore mini-leds right to the very end of the chassis so it’s noticeably dimmer all round.
@@andyH_England Thanks for pointing that out! Then it makes more sense however I have yet to find a youtuber posting a vid on this. I guess they were doing everything they could to fit the narrative 😎. Perhaps once iPadOS 15 rolls out in the Fall, more apps get upgraded to utilize more RAM, then we can see huge performance gains during multi tasking.
Literally watched a dozen reviews and no one talks about the limited usage of RAM! Thank you for your honest review. Maybe I'll go with the 11 inch version since I'd still be using my mac air.
@@JohnnyBravo42 There would be little difference in terms of productivity. It would undercut their MacBooks. More people would probably choose iPads for versatility and portability.
Legit video on this subject, thank you. For now, my Ipad pro-2020 6 gig ram is very efficient for all the video editing and stuff I do on it. Apple likes to give, show off and limit its capabilities, it's confusing at times. Yeah, for now, I'll stick with the 2020 version.
This was extremely helpful thank you - exactly what I needed to hear as a high volume photographer. They clearly want you to integrate fully into the apple ecosystem with the iPad pro’s limitations. Ugh.
This is just my personal take based on my routine and work: The iPad Pro is the most expensive media consumption device a person can buy, I can't do anything I usually do on a PC/Mac, despite having the same components as the M1 macs, and iPadOs apps will NEVER be at the level of professional environment software for production aside of photo or simple video editing, and that's just sad because the M1 iPad is an awesome device that could totally stand of its own, but apple decided it's mean to be just as a complementary device. Even people who fully adopted the iPad pro as their main device must deal with its artificial shortcomings that make them inevitably use or invest in a mac.
Yeah I know, I just want better software support tbh, clip studio paint for example is literally the desktop version but on ipad, and works wonderfully with the pen, even on 10-11inch screens. With many M1 Mac software now running natively, there's no excuse to not offer those on ipad if someone needs it. For me, technology is about having options, so apple's "my way or no way" of doing things and purposely tripping the ipad's potential really bugs me.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Apple got extremely close on the hardware end with the M1 unifying the iPad and Mac chips, as well as the ergonomic masterpiece (compared to the Surface keyboards, at least) that is the Magic Keyboard. It’s really a shame that the only reason why they can’t actually make it work is the software. And it’s not like Apple can’t do software right. Honestly speaking, if there’s anyone who can actually perfect a touch-cursor UI, it would be Apple. Their gigantic userbase, extreme vertical integration, ludicrous R&D budget, and lack of fear in implementing (or removing) features puts them in the best (and maybe the only) possible spot to experiment and mass-acclimatise people to a paradigm shift in UX and UI. Heck, they even tried doing a half-hearted attempt at this with the cursor support. And even that already went better than any of their competitors’ attempts. That’s proof that Apple is capable of destroying the competition if it simply tried. But they didn’t push through. They absolutely, in the most literal of senses, have no excuse for why they didn’t make the iPad the ultimate personal computing device like what they used to proclaim it is. iPadOS 15 was the perfect time to prove everyone wrong about the number one complaint for the iPad Pros. The ingredients were all chopped and ready, the oven’s been preheated, and the recipe’s been tried so many times that it’s practically memorised. All they have to do is APPLY what they have already invented. It’s the equivalent of having a dissertation all written up and just needing to press “submit”. But no. They chose to double down on the iPad’s weaknesses, at a time where it made the most sense (not only in terms of consumer benefit, but also in terms of finally implementing years of now-matured innovation) to improve the iPad to a new standard unrivalled by any portable device. Apple did not only their consumers, but also their own software and hardware engineering teams an extreme disservice by not improving on the iPad. It is an exceptionally rare occurence in the tech industry to have a device that is legitimately overpowered for what it can maximally do, especially when its basically for over the course of its entire lifespan. Unfortunately, the current iPad Pros are looking to be as such. The sad reality is that Apple has shown before that they are willing to neglect their products, almost at a whim. As such there is no precedent for a reality where the iPad could get major improvements in software. We could hope, but it’ll never be certain, or even just probable. Heck, there’s still no native calculator app for the iPad after all these years, and recent interviews directly bringing it up.
I mean PC is still better than MacOS but the proHD display is what the Ipad had going for it so if it had macOS support it might replace my windows laptop...
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Linux has better customization?? You obviously never tried installing a graphics card inside a linux system otherwise you wouldnt be saying that... Thing is Mac is great if you dont need pro features??
@@oogaboogachomp I did. Also, I ‘downgraded’ to the 11”. The 13” was just more than I wanted. My wife’s Air 4 felt much more enjoyable and ‘iPad like.’
@@dragngt just bought the 4th gen air 2 mins ago. Was going to get this one but saw reviews just like this one before making my decision. I of course went for the 256gb model. Glad to hear you say that 😂
@@TheRagingSun it is, I’ve already explain on another post why, even with the $50 difference, the 256 air was a good buy for me. I: didn’t want to break 1k, needed accessories which the $50 went to, got more space than the M1, doesn’t hurt, and the usable difference(as in difference the average user will notice) is not much. The 4th gen air has a hella good chip still and for what I do on my laptop(media surfing and art)that’s even overkill. So the M1 would be stupidly overkill 😂. In other words, for me there was no point in buying the pro when the air does the exact same thing. I don’t Transfer videos so I have no use for the thunder bolt. No one can even use the full power of the M1 because the OS doesnt even allow you to do that much(you’d have to run and transfer so much crap) There have also been benchmark test that showed when it comes to actual usability the 4th gen air is only slightly below the M1 in terms of power. Not raw power, just using power. That goes back to what I said about you not being able to fully use all of the M1s power. I am not knocking the m1 by any means. It’s a beast! Just a beast you can’t fully tame. Me buying the 4th gen air future proofs me just as much as the M1. iPads last longer than phones so either way I can easily push out 8+ years with this with no issues.
@@TheRagingSun so on paper, iPads last about 4 and a half years. But it’s not the hardware that kills it, it’s the IOS. We all know that one day our devices won’t be updated any longer. (Which sucks) The reason I say 8 years for this iPad is because it has features that are good enough for it to last 4 extra years past it being updated. There are still some people rocking 5+ year old iPads. So unless they actually change The Os for their products I 100% do not see myself buying another. I’m 20 now and this is my first ever iPad. For that same reason. I can’t see the next 3-4ipads being any more different than the 4th gen air or M1. Unless they change OS.
Your video confirms to me that the IPad Air 5th gen is the best solution. Almost the half of price with the same capabilities of Pro version (even the basic Mac Mini w/ M1)
I currently have the 12.9 model with the keyboard and pencil for school. This device makes me excited to learn and can use to for that purpose in a lot of different aspects than on a Mac or other laptop. I am using it as my full laptop replacement and I don’t have any issues so far. I enjoy using it and if i need to use more than one display i have a desktop anyways. I love this device especially since the amount of different ways i can use it motivates me to be more productive, its a lot of fun to use. But I understand the frustrations with the cap on apps like pro create and how other apps like photoshop are being held back at the moment. I’m not an extremely skilled artist or editor but i enjoy using it for that purpose and have heard positives about it from others. Basically i respect this guys opinion and can see why people who want to do things with this device other than what i do are frustrated and i am kind of annoyed at it since i spent this money and can’t even use all the power of it if i wanted to. But if you are a student that likes to do other things on the side like artwork and productivity work along with it then i HIGHLY recommend this device over a MacBook or anything else. I do all my schoolwork on this device, invest, draw, edit photos and stream stuff on this device as well as social media. I personally also recommend you get the 12.9 inch version even if you get an older one just because the typing experience with the magic keyboard is significantly better when i tried it at the apple store. I hope this helps for people still deciding! Sorry for the long comment just figured ppl should know as much as they can from others.
Love the detail level of this video and accurately describes the frustration that so many of us have with the “artificial limitations” imposed on iPads especially when using external monitors. There are a few specialized software that can take advantage of the full real-estate of external monitors, but these are very sparse. Apple should have included this or at some point update their support capabilities. Also the limitations of dealing with external storage drives are very un-Apple in my opinion. Not being able to format or eject drives, so many limitations. I can understand not having everything instantly when M1 iPads were released, but the updates should be coming / roadmap or something. I too was excited to upgrade to M1 iPad, but ended up returning mine after testing. Just not enough useful advantages over my existing 12.9 iPad Pro 4th gen. the new screen is incredible, but for day to day use, not watching HDR movies in a dark room, even side by side with my prior gen, it just was not as impressive as it should have been. Pros do pro work, and that is more than just watching movies or HDR content. Would have loved if at least some of the 1000 nit brightness could be utilized more readily, especially when using the iPad outdoors in bright sunlight or other harshly bright environments. Seems like 99% tasks are limited to ~600 nits just like my prior gen 12.9. I also like the comments about “we are not asking Apple to put macOS on the iPad” and I somewhat agree with that. I think Apple should at least explore the blended area more. If they would remove some of these limitations and have even only 1 iPad that was more of a MacBook capable replacement (this doesn’t mean full macOS), I think there are a large number of people that would pay an extra 1000 or whatever for that true hybrid type device. Or enough to make up for that small set of users that might not buy both an iPad and a MacBook [Pro] as well.
Apple always talks about the synergy between hardware and software…guess the two teams didn’t talk because of COVID. iPadOS 15 is a massive let down, like, what happened Apple? Hardware team comes out like a MASSIVE male lion and the software team shows up like a new born cub. Really sad.
I guess it’s because HW guys really have to work on place and there is nothing to hide. Software guys works from home these days so there is lack of even self control and coordination and management. And yep, I’m the guy who works from home as web developer, but with high level of self control and productivity. Actually, my new company is very happy with me. But it comes from people itself, somebody wants to work where the others are just able to talk about it. I think that is main reason Tim wants all employees back at work. It’s definitely managable to have software guys working from home, but there must be no excuses, no empty talks. If you can proof your results, fuck you, you are fired. Tim is too nice guy to be really tough on people and this is the result.
What did you expect iPadOS to have that’s a letdown? I find it’s the perfect tablet, better than any tablet out there. People get obsessed with replacing their laptop with this device, something Apple has never said they wanted to ever do. So when they don’t get something Apple never promised them, they get disappointed. As a tablet, it’s the best. As a laptop… well it isn’t a laptop. Why would you expect it to be?
@@techinrl9869 nobody says it is a laptop. But horrendous bugs like support for external devices not working many times, external display support entirely unusable, still horrible way to multitask on iPad Os etc makes this device somewhat dubious. One would welcome something like reversal Catalyst to easily migrate macOs apps to iPad Os. If you have that kind of power, yet no power apps to use, it makes sense that software is killing this great HW. You have plenty of horsepower yet nothing to be able to use it at all.
@@ZhuJo99 You’re talking about a beta 1 version of iPadOS. Back when iPadOS 14 came out, there were also a lot of drives that didn’t work with the USB-C port that did when the final version came out. Bugs will always be expected in beta software. If they’re still there when iPadOS 15 releases in September, then you’ll have a case. As for a laptop, EVERYBODY seems to call it a laptop. Have you not seen the 20 billion “Can the iPad Pro replace your laptop” videos? I’m sick of seeing them when Apple never promised a laptop. Sorry, but “What is a computer” does not equal “This is a laptop replacement”. It means it’s a serious computing device, not a toy, which at the time, many people considered it to be one. You claim nothing is available to use all that horsepower. There are tens of thousands of apps, including hundreds of games and pro apps that use the power of this system. If your favored app is not there, talk to the developers. That’s not on Apple to write other people’s apps for them. Consider the iPad Pro has been out for a month. Did you expect every possible app to be available before developers had even had a chance to get one? As for external display, many apps do use the full display with no black bars. Keynote is one of them and that’s by Apple. Developers can utilize an external any way they want, but they need a compelling reason to do so. Why is the desktop not extended? Because it’s a touch device where very few have a Magic Keyboard. Exactly how did you expect people to touch their icons on that external monitor? That’s also why most apps don’t use the second monitor because there’s no way to touch anything. When people ask for features, they simply don’t think it through as to whether it’s a good idea or not.
Unpopular opinion: People look at the iPad wrong, partly because of Apple's confusing marketing. But the Mac already is a product, there is no need for the more user friendly, simpler iPad to turn into a Mac. What people really want is a better Mac, not a better iPad, it seems.
Yeah, I somewhat agree with you, I think if Apple didn't out M1 on the iPad Pros then people would have been more than happy with iPadOS 15, but again... now someone can use all the adobe apps, luma fusion, procreate and stuff like that with greater power. I think Apple had planned to put M1 in iPad Pro when they launched iPad Air 4, because it was almost as good as the A12Z iPad Pro.
Buy one to use the affinity suite. It has the same features that on the i mac, not a mini version. So i can work at home and get my job outside. Ipad is not like a portable computer but i can draw directly on the screen. And because affinity is the same, it is ok for me
@@irig0ld Pro Max is three times the price and is slightly too large IMO, I'm happy with my Samsung S10e which I paid 100$ for. When the phone is too small and I don't feel like using my laptop or desktop, I use my iPad mini. The iPad mini has almost twice the screen area of an iPhone Pro max and is more useful when reading or consuming media, when it become too small i will use my desktop. This is just my preference, it's cost effective as well since my iPad, M1 Mac Mini and a phone cost less that the iPhone Pro max.
@@rumbecker5085 thanks for sharing your perspective. I've been checking peoples use cases here and there. After returning the 11 inch ipad pro and not being able to use it to somewhat replace my MacBook, I am now looking at an iPad air, MacBook combo, but I also want to get the iPhone 13 pro max. So now considering skipping the ipad altogether and just use the pro max and a MacBook. Not sure yet if I should just get the base MacBook air m1 or wait for the new 14 inch m1x's.
@@irig0ld I'm not a fan of iPad's in general, I feel the full sized iPad are just too big. The iPad mini is the perfect fit for me but even then I only bought it as I needed a backup for work just incase I lost internet. It was cheaper for me to get an iPad for cell back up at 5$ a month data plan vs 45$ if I got the same data plan with a phone. As for my next Phone, I might get the iPhone 12 mini, perfect size for me. Funny thing is, a years a go I pledged never to buy another apple product(2012 macbook air was the only apple product I had at the time), now I have an M1 Mini, iPad mini and looking to get an iPhone mini. As soon as the new air comes out I will probably buy that and give the M1 Mini to my son.
This is no doubt the smartest setup. Some people may not want to settle on their phone, but as far as bang for the buck, you are 100% spot on@@rumbecker5085The 12 pro max is tempting if it’s your ONLY mobile device, but I agree that a cheap phone and literally any iPad is better.
@@Shad0wchasers1 ya I’m excited for mine to come in the mail! I know people are unimpressed by software upgrade but I’m satisfied with getting just the hardware upgrade haha
Yeah I feel this. I got an iPad Pro about a week ago and it’s amazing but it’s so limited it’s not worth the price. Such a shame that such good hardware can be ruined by software. Luckily for me I can return it
If i would have watched this video when you wrote this i would have suggest you to Just change the pro for the ipad air, the ipad mini or ipad nine you still get a great tablet and maybe with that amount you spent you could get a Nice case for the ipad or a pair of air pods.
I spent an hour comparing the 4th and 5th gen pro’s display and could barely tell, then I put my iPhone 12 mini next to them…. Returned the iPad yesterday. Wait for the oled…
I don't have the 12 mini, but I totally found the LCD 'liquid retina?' display on the ipad pro 11 inch incredibly lacklustre. It feels like a cheap screen with a shiny glow coming from it that doesn't feel comfortable on the eyes.. I don't know why no one is talking about this. People just accept these things because its apple and since its 1k+ its good no matter what? I think you are right here and waiting for OLED is the right move.
@@irig0ld The best way I can describe it to people is taking an older iPhone like the 6s and comparing a video on it vs. one of the new 12 models. You can see the differences clearly and effectively. Same concept as the 11” screens vs. 12.9” mini LED.
The best iPad is.. still an iPad. It's limited by the iPadOS and until they introduce MacOS like features, it will never truly be a replacement for a MacBook.
Well I don’t own a extra screen and most stuff u mentioned that doesn’t work I would need to Google to understand what it is I am probably the topical iPad user sold my pc never missed it
Apple needs to get it together. The ram limits are unacceptable. Power users bought the device for its ram, and now they lock it to 5GB? Absolutely dumb.
@@29kalel, I didn’t say apps needed to use 100% of the ram. If the system needs roughly 2.7GB of ram (seems excessive for a tablet), that leaves a lot more than 5GB available on the 16GB models. Apps you use may be fine with minimal ram. For those working in 3D, more ram means more polygons in a scene. Having the ability to create more complex scenes on iPad would be great, and it’s what we expected from these iPads, and Apple intentionally made that impossible.
Apple has it together it’s the ecosystem. Never did Apple point out the iPad will be an alternative or some form of replacement for the MacBook, pple just speculated and hoped for that considering the amount of power the thing has. Business wise the move would have killed the MacBook Air. It would have been nice but business is profits.
@@gage8545 Unlike desktop OSes, iPad OS can't use virtual memory on disk, so apps have to fit completely into RAM. 8 GB on a MacBook goes a long way compared to an iPad.
I actually like the iPadOS 15 update but I have a $300 IPad 8. I would be pissed if I had a $2k configuration of a M1 iPad Pro, especially with that return period expiring. Apple is essential trying to Artificially raise demand for it’s MacBooks by limiting the M1 iPad Pro.
Oh god. I heard this same crap in the camera world about Canon crippling their camera line to raise demand for their cinema line garbage. Guess what, Apple is a business. Having tiers and markets is what business is all about. It's funny how many people seem to miss this in their every day life. Why is a VW not as good as a Porsche? Same thing dude - different price points and/or different markets. The iPad is not a macbook and a macbook is not an iPad. They work very differently. There is a reason that most all-in-one Windows laptops are neither great laptops, nor great tablets. They are just a compromise, and additionally, the companies that make them are failing at marketing in a way that Apple does not. Apple is one of the biggest tech companies on earth for a reason. I heard it all in the camera marketplace for years. People who need cinema cameras do not buy mirrorless cameras. Period. There is a reason why Canon is the biggest camera company in the world too. Take some years in Marketing and Finance in University and you'll understand how this all works, instead of resorting to conspiracy theories that most people do (lazy minded ones anyway).
Sigh. You just vocalized all the things I’ve been thinking. Unfortunately, I traded in my 2018 iPad Pro. i actually preferred it over this M1 iPad Pro. The fact that this one is slightly thicker and the body shaping is different makes it less satisfying to hold in the hand. And for the additional $1000 that I paid (i got $550 trade in credit for my old iPad), I don’t think it was exactly worth it. I don’t do anything that needs the additional power and even if I did, they haven’t unleashed the power of this baby anyway. The previous iPad was more than enough for me and I probably should have held on to it. Thanks for posting. I’m going to my room to listen to sad music on a youtube channel with my amazing m1 iPad Pro speakers and cry.
I think you made the right move and future proofed your workflow for many many years. Life is too short, enjoy the power. Ya it may not have the same feel but you’ll get used to it. And when Apple capitulates from the mass of anger from RUclipsrs you might get more the software you were hoping for.
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine most people buying ipads don't get them for drawing though, like half of tech youtubers are making videos such as "ipad for video editing?", that was my initial point. I understand that the touchscreen can be a strong reason to buy for many :)
@@yuanyuanintaiwan Gotcha. Yeah, video editors are clearly over-represented on RUclips when it comes to all things Apple. That said, if you want or need a touch-sensitive interface, there just isn't any alternative out there. That's clearly due to Tim's greed, and I hate it. God forbid 5 people were to forego an iPad purchase because their Mac already has touch. Tim's gonna starve for sure. Even though nothing would happen since they're completely different products with completely different usage scenarios, touch or not.
Beautiful, classiest rant I’ve seen. Very satisfying to see my own frustrations and more, expressed in 4K. Didn’t shy away from the nearly 20min length either. Thank you!
The software limitations is something I’ve learned a long time ago. The same reason you see a new apple product every year. They want to give themselves an excuse to put out a new phone or tablet each year and advertise how much improvements they made. There’s a reason why most people don’t upgrade their products until a couple years have passed and there’s noticeable differences.
Agree completely. After 2 months using iPad Pro 11” 2021 I’ve concluded it’s somewhat useless. It’s not really pro. Any 13 inch laptop can do better that it. What I hate the most of this iPad Pro 11 2021, is that I can’t make right click with the MagicKeyboard o the MagicMouse 2(it’s useless for many tasks that require to right click). I wish I’d bought a MacBook Air instead of it. I am also thinking on selling it.
Amazing in-depth video! I have a 2018 iPad Pro 11” 256gb with a Magic Keyboard and I still absolutely love it. Its probably my all time favourite device 👌🏼
Why??????? The iPad Pro is truly an awesome machine. I have to use it but recently bought a MacBook Pro for universal access. Everything does run well but now but didn’t before the MacBook Pro joined my family. Also I actually use 2 iPad Pro and universal access seamlessly connects them BUT it would have been grand if the two iPads could have had “hive mentality” without the MacBook Pro helping things along. My question: what if we jail break the iPad Pro??? Could we bypass some of the limitations OS15 chains on the iPad? Never did it so…thoughts?
When the M1 iPad Pro came out I had some buyers remorse after purchasing an iPad Air 4 when that first came out. No longer! I’m happy with the Air 4 and M1 MacBook Air combo that I have going on. 👍🏾
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ABSOLUTELY AGREED . GREAT REVIEW . Can you make a similar video of SAMSUNG S7+ or S8 about what can you do with it , as a laptop replacement
I honestly can’t wait to get my hands on it. Says ships early July so hopefully mid July I get it. I have the 1st iPad Pro and love it. I still have it but my brother’s dog pulled the cable and knocked it off the table and when I went to repair the screen it’s still messed up and opens/closes apps and act like I didn’t push the screen for something and acts like it’s possessed so my Father’s Day gift was this 12.9” version. I was a trucker so I used the iPad Pro for work because my company used an app for our logbooks and then of course with the cell service version I used it as my gps and entertainment screen. I always used Gmaps and had maybe 2 issues where I went on city roads not graded for the weight of the truck but I drove past it quick and was fine. Other than that, Spotify and gmaps were great then lunch and bedtime using it watching movies and tv shows were great since I used magnets to hold it on the dash of the truck in perfect view for me to see while driving if I needed a quick glance for directions and on the closet sidewall I put magnets and they were plenty strong enough to hold it while still in the otterbox case and just wish the screen wasn’t messed up or else I wouldn’t upgrade. My wife and I box got the airtags and upgraded to the iPhone 12s and so with the “newer” model of the MacBook pros the iPad upgrade was read and a perfect case so when we take our 2yo around we can use that screen to help with learning reading simple small books to beautiful bright movies like despicable me 2 and all those yellow and purple minions.
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Of course they don’t want the iPad Pro to be a true Pro device because they still want you to buy a Mac. I completely agree with everything you’ve said here, sell your M1 iPad Pro. The iPad Pro is now nearly $3,000 which is $1,000 more than what I paid for my 27” 5K iMac.
Apple just put the M1 in the iPad Pro for some clever marketing making people buy it in hopes that iPadOS 15 would be a game changer before disappointing everyone then it’s too late to return it. That’s why I didn’t buy an M1 iPad Pro and definitely won’t be buying a new iPad Pro for a good few years. Stick with the 2018.
@Traveler videos 23 🎥 The 11” iPad Pro will be a huge upgrade for you. I’d also consider the iPad Air 4.
They accidentally designed a real game changer, so they broke its legs to keep the old game going 😕
Perfect analogy!
I still think the real reason to use M1 in the iPad was supply.
Facts !
but made a $1m movie to sell the old game as the new game ;-)
@@Galgomite what do you mean?
Thank you for being one of the few people to evaluate Apple enthusiastically while still holding them accountable. Apple fanboys are why apple gets away with their restricted functionality.
@Laguna Bum where do you get the impression that I follow things I hate?
Here here! Perfect comment. Yes, Thx for praise and criticism where due. This is THE BEST video on the subject. The nuance of tech details here just helped make my final decision. I've been waffling and researching for weeks. This compelled me to buy a Galaxy S7 or 8 or older iPad 11. I've felt for a few years that we're getting so much power we won't really have the need for it. 80% of normal use is fine with technology from even 5 years ago!
Watching this video on my M1 IPad Pro 12.9’ 2 years later. Kept the IPad, sold the MacBook Pro it replaced.
Once the honeymoon phase passes with these super fast and expensive products, you realize how unnecessary they are and that you spent too much for it.
i think you ae correct but you could say the same thing about a car:). In my very humble opinion I think what has happened over time is this “apple tech” space has gotten so crowded that people are not thinking about buying a laptop or ipad, ect and thinking in my everyday work does this help me? In my world the ipad pro helps me with drawing, creating logos, ect. So to me it helps me make money and thats all that matrers. So many people get hung up on geekbench scores, ect that they think these computers are going to think for them. I will say it until the end of time. For not all but most people an ipad pro can be a computer replacement. It can. The issue is the people on ytube that really are the 5-10% it can not and will not. They hace the loudest voice and therefore here we are. His points on here are well taken and make sense do not get me wrong. I own an agency and we now have mba m1 and imac m1 and they kick ass. Super snappy and smooth editing video, designing magazines ect. It really feels sometimes like when I used to do commercial photography. People would get so ensnarled in the latest greatest lens, ect that they kinda forgot what they were actually doing an tbh alot of them were just pervs taking pictures of “models”. All this being said the max tech guy makes good points and again this is aimed at a small percentage of users BUT if that is true why not make it ok for them. Those types will still have a mac. To me the most exciting feature coming out of os 15 is universal control because as much as sidecar is nice when traveling the screen is mini me size and having the ability to draw on ipad and bring it over is great. Hopefully apple finally brings it all together.
@@roguewavecreative just FYI, it's "etc", not "ect". Not a flame, just that reading it throws off the sentence.
@@andyH_England Ya you're right, this mentality can be applied to all tech and expensive products that's why the only ones worth buying are those that give you value and make you feel like you spent your money well.
My experience is that you need to think carefully of your needs before you purchase, ipad OS and a recent iPad Pro can fulfil most of my computer requirements, does it replace the Mac, No but then it does many tasks better than a Mac…
@@ArbitraryFilmings Ya Mr. Obvious, I'm referring to the last part of your speech as a rule of thumb. Paying more for performance is worth it only if you get value out if it...
I have felt the exact same way with my brand new iPhone 12. Fastest phone ever made, but in the end, I still can’t do anything new on it that I couldn’t do on my 8. It just feels artificially held back at this point.
At the end of the day what do u expect from a new phone? a better camera, display, a little bit faster performance and a few new quirky features here and there…
At least be grateful. It has better features than the 8
I got an iPhone 12pro because I know I can use it for the next 3-5 years without worrying about if it'll work. That's Apple's new appeal.
@@sergioyichiong7269 I mean, that’s kinda my whole point.
GRATEFUL? That person paid a lot of money for said device, they didn't steal it (I assume lol). Why would they be grateful for something that sounds amazing but in reality doesn't do anything special?
The biggest issue with iPads is that ultimately they create a conflict of interest for Apple. They have the potential to supersede MacBooks for students and professionals, but giving them that sort of capability and user experience would hurt Mac sales. So they build a tablet that’s perfectly capable of functioning as easily as a laptop, but they won’t give it to true user inexperience improvements to make that happen. Imagine an iPad with the laptop ambition of a Windows Surface. That would be the perfect machine. As it is, I’m keeping my MacBook.
Every tech youtuber ever: "This is the best ____ ever".....Few weeks later when the release buzz is over "This is why im returning my ____"
You're right Serge. It's like they all took the same masterclass on how to get more viewers... Copycats! LOL
Max is notorious for this. Just saw his video comparing this t the M1 MacBook Air. He was complimenting the iPad Pro so much and now watching this video, he's getting rid of it. He is also the guy who makes videos that start "Wait, we were wrong". He seems to be wrong a lot. Feel bad for the peeps who buy products based on his videos only to find out a month later that he was "wrong".
@@ronin120 of course this channel is lacking in original idea
@@NCSTalkid What if he is original and others the copy cat?
lol so true
Never buy something for what it will be, buy something for what it is.
Someone said the same thing on another iPad pro review video.
These “frustrated” people knew what they were buying and decided to shoot themselves in the foot. 🙄 should have just waited to see what ipados 15 was like if you were anticipating make it or break it features. Not to mention it doesn’t even officially release until fall, you don’t buy a $2k iPad to install developer beta software for “productivity”.
I’m actually sick of seeing this comment, its on every single m1 review.
@@kepler22-b thats because everyone is complaining about the same thing. they want "pro" apps on the ipad, but bought the new m1 ipad at a time when what they wanted didnt exist.
people are mad that they got what they paid for.
@@melvinbrookins6313 it’s more the fact that every review there’s one comment that’s identical to this, the comment is literally like look at me how smart I am with this extreme knowledge… not really it’s common sense ffs
I’m a student that will use this thing for taking notes and google classroom. Also watching movies. I’m also a person that really appreciates nice tech, like a mini led 120hz display. Ppl like me are who this is for
I don’t understand why people would hate on this. Criticism is what leads to better products/product support.
@@andyH_England It's his channel, he can recommend or un-recommend anything he wants. Other thing is that your reasoning is way off.
@@andyH_England the 2018 and 2020 iterations got plenty of criticism. Some of which lead to the improvements both devices now enjoy on the software side.
Did RUclipsrs get WWDC massively wrong? Absolutely. But Apple also knowingly lead them on. Even if they did not promise anything, they knew what they’re doing.
Hence why it’s still worth criticizing their product strategy because ultimately its not about what Apple is promising. It’s about users getting the best experience they can pay for. And history will show often criticism becomes a better product in the future.
This is all coming from a happy 2020 iPad Pro user. But that does not mean there are still things I’d love to see expanded on the software side so I welcome the criticism.
@@andyH_England exactly... This max guy is a weird fanboy... He acts like a fanboy but then suddenly starts yelling what others say
😂😂
I think it’s partly in fact because there has been like 7 videos covering the same topic, that’s the only reason I’ve seen to hate
@@czaynej1051 that I can understand. It can get quite repetitive. Then again some times it takes that kind of amplification in order for things to change. That remains to be seen in this case.
I’m glad Chris Pratt’s brother has a RUclips channel.
Stomping… Koopas!
1.5x. Thank me later
Thank you my friend, I actually pumped the speed to 2X as well.
He just yap
😂@@francisfielraquel3449
An awesome and very reasonable video. Feel like the statement; buy something for what it is and not what it could be is crucial here.
I also think that we need to remember that Apple is a corporation. We need to ask, why would Apple do such a thing? For instance, Since Apple sells a $6000 display, why would Apple sell something that would make their $6000 display irrelevant. If we think about these things then maybe we won’t be surprised when Apple makes these decisions.
@@alsoulmusic the answer is: it wouldn’t. People who needs a $6000 monitor will get it. People who can’t, well… after this instead of getting an iPad will maybe get an Asus Pro Art or something like it. People like you lacks common sense.
@@alsoulmusic The display is 5 grand, not 6.
@@alsoulmusic I disagree strongly with this. A $6000 display is a much larger display than a tiny 12.9" display. Under no circumstance is a large $6000 display becoming "irrelevant" just because a tiny 12.9" display can do *some* of what it can. The heavy lift will still have to be done by a larger display, when the user is back home from the field.
@@Tom_Stevens617 It's slightly over $8,000USD in Norway.
I remember what Steve Jobs said when he released the first iPad. Mobile software is like baby software. iPad Pro m1 is no longer a baby it’s a full grown hardware now but still in its core there is a baby software
I had an iPad mini which was 8 years old so I upgraded to the iPad pro m1 and I gotto say it is the best purchase I ever made... the experience is better than my desktop
Sad that once this entire ecosystem got figured out and the iPad was ready to be the Computer of the Future, they were cowards and decided to play these games. Steve Jobs would be ashamed.
iPad could truly be the computer of the future. Everything you will ever need in one device.
Somebody clearly didn’t watch the video, iPad does have the potential to be the computer of the future, but it definitely is not this iPad or at least not this version of iPadOS.
Computer of the future implies most people have absolutely no reason to hop back to a mac, windows, or linux machine for certain tasks. Unless iPadOS competes with MacOS, Windows, or Linux in terms of functionality, this is still just a roided out tablet and I will still want it, but as a tablet.
@@FinnDarius some people are already living in the future. not me, not even 5% of me, though iPhone XS Max was a good upgrade from my iPhone 5, very happy, though would love to have had the magnets of iPhone 12, but then again, the iPhone 12 and everything that comes next is a brick if it gets damaged, and Apple will charge you and arm and a leg to fix it, 3rd party fixers will not be able to fix much at all ;-)
Steve Jobs was the master of these games.
As an ipad pro 12.9 user myself. The thing tht i hate is even after many updates not all apps support horizontal view some app are vertical by default. The ipad is not tht light fyi so its kind of annoying
Moral of the story:
Specs don't really matter. Functionality is King.
Maybe in future apple will add some extra features from mac os or just transfer macos to iPad. Imo this second cant be real because what would be difference between this both devices? Touch?..
Which is weird, since thats what apple was always about. Worse on paper, but better and fester in actual use. Now they flex their chip and do the same as the rest. Lets hope they get their shit together and make ios 16 better for ipads
That is the reason I prefer my Windows laptop for everyday work. Yes Windows PC are slower but functionality is better. It takes much less learning than iPadOS. Apple just like to introduce new features without explaining how to use it IN DETAILS. Productivity suffers when need to learn new workflow procedure. I love my iPad air 4 but I can’t use it for serious work.
Reason I actually am more happier with my iPad 9th Gen than when I got my iPad Pro. The Promotion display is nice but having to do exactly everything the iPad Pro does at much cheaper price is what makes owning a regular iPad so satisfying
Moral of the story: only an idiot would buy a tablet expecting to get real work done.
Remember MKBHD's saying "do not buy a product based on the "promise' of future software updates. Buy it for what it is today". I purchased the 11" model, and compared to other options I was actually willing to pay for, the M1 was pretty much the best deal since I wasn't willing to buy an older model on Amazon and Best Buy didn't have the Apple education discount and the price of the 2020 model was the same. On the latest version of iPadOS 15 it still does everything I need/want it to do and don't really have any complaints. I do have a M1 MacBook Air though, which is a huge part of the reason its down sides are not an issue.
6:40 is when the bad news starts
Ty! Ppl like this always talk 2 much
Thank you so much!
Thx
You’re the real MVP
Good Bless Pimp
Finally someone who is as frustrated as I am. Spent so much money, "for a large IPhone"
Lol, so damn true🥲
Unless you live in 2017 or something, this is definitely more than a 'large' iPhone.
Lolz apple gonna regret when half of the people who brought this thing returns it or sells it lol...
lArgE iPhoNe get a new phrase troll
Frankly, all I'm waiting for is for Apple to release a device like this running the full-fledged macOS Big Sur. With support for full-fledged mouse/keyboard friendly macOS Desktop apps, pen/touch friendly iPadOS/iOS apps, and with a UI that transforms depending on which form the device is in (just like what Samsung offers on their Tab S line with DeX mode).
The moment they do that, that will gladly be the true upgrade to my Surface Pro 2, and my first ever Mac/iPad. Can't settle for ANY mono device having experienced the Surface Pro line, and certainly can't settle for this oversized-iPhone experience.
My iPad Air 2 😂 still working at its best 🤣 no problem at all I bought it in 2015 October brand-new still going nice and strong 💪 ❤❤🎉
Tim Cook: "No more soup for you"
@@techandy1747 what? What?
@@techandy1747 I just had a stroke reading that
@@techandy1747 what kind of English is that?? GuguGaga??
@@techandy1747 H’mm... you don’t have to pay for ios software updates.
he's gonna retire no f's given
No reason to hate your video, it is your opinion. But I do think Apple has realised long before many RUclips-Apple-vloggers that “pro” does not equal “video- photo- or music-producers”. As a self employed legal & ethics consultant I do think I am a pro. At least my bank account does. I ditched the MacBook years ago, as the iPad Pro just is way more efficient, way better at security, way more capable as a supporting device for my professional life. I don’t care if it is called a computer, a MacBook replacement or anything else. It is just way better than any laptop I can buy at the moment, and the 2021 edition has improved enough to have it replace my 2018 edition. 5G when I am on the road. Fantastic screen. 1TB of date. Easy to connect to any kind of network my corporate clients use. Near perfect note taking, word processing, powerpoint. And did I mention superb security? Great keyboard by the way. And it looks stunning.
No, I am afraid the MacBook is just not a worthy iPad replacement for my professional use.
Pro Tik Tok creator here. Maybe you just sign documents all day long. Typical fanboy
Wow... spoken as a true Apple fan. Apple must love you; and by you I actually mean your money. "[...] I do think I am pro. At least my bank account does"... just LOL. Thanks for the laugh. Just to be clear, I am not arguing against your points. If the iPad is what you truly enjoy using and it fits you, then by all means. But, once you try flexing on people with your bank account statement as justification for your purchase.. just lmfao.
@@Poisoned2010 You’re right.
Maybe it is a matter of English not being my first language, but I don’t see I justify anything with my bank account. I just think that I can claim to be a professional if I make my money by what I do. That is all I tied to say
@@abmk4157 every single person on the planet that makes money is called a professional with that logic. But when a device is specifically targeted towards professionals, they’re typically not talking about every single person on the planet that makes money lol.
Rather it’s for device power users.
I still have my 2018 iPad Pro 11” and it still works perfectly fine. It’s my daily driver on the go and so far these new iPads don’t have any significant change other than the M1.
“We get a status bar on a tablet that costs 2 grand”
This sentence sums the whole vid.
The bigger problem for me is the TB speed. Why limiting it to a fraction of the Mac speed?
The price doesn't matter here. You get the same status bar on the $300 budget iPad. The extra $1700 you spent was for the hardware, so you don't get to complain about the software being the same.
@@Tom_Stevens617 No you do, the whole problem with the pro is software. The problem is explicitly that the hardware isn't being used to its "pro" capabilities. The 5gb RAM limitation makes this glaringly obvious, along with everything else mentioned in this video, and the lack of software flexibility provided by an actual computer. As ever, the iPad Pro fails to live up to being a professionally competitive device.
@@Tom_Stevens617 actually, of the software doesn't optimize the $1700 hardware, you can and should complain
@@courtenayblair2279 I agree, but then wouldn't optimized software for the M1 iPad Pro be too heavy to run on the budget iPad and iPad Mini?
It’s hilarious how they advertise IPad as a PC/computer replacement, yet limit it so it can’t be a Mac replacement…
Mac isn’t a “computer”, it’s a “mac” :)
If ipad could be a mac replacement what's mac then?
@@yeehaw9460 indeed it is, that’s why I did not call them the same thing. iPads being computer replacements still removes market share from Macs, and 2, I don’t think iPad can be a good computer replacement for similar reasons: I don’t think you can extend to multiple monitors (I think it only mirrors content for some reason). I also don’t think iPads have the full computer version of applications like Excel and R studio.
Dude they were iPad Pro is truly computer replacement,All what you have to do is buy MacBook first 😂 then use iPad as mirror boom 🤯 what’s a computer.
@@yeehaw9460 It's a computer please don't be disingenuous
Over a year later, I am thankful for running across this info. I was considering the Pro because the M1 chip sounds powerful enough to handle large canvas sizes, but now knowing that a single app can't use the full capability of even the 8GB mem is really disappointing. Thanks for saving me the frustration and money.
It’s actually a good thing! Means it’s so powerful the app developers haven’t caught up yet
@@bennydufresne8994 No, its not.
I want one not for the cpu, but for the size and screen. But it’s more of a want not a need, my 11 inch pro is still plenty for me to be honest
@@bennydufresne8994 It’s only because apple forbids them from doing so? You understand they have a hard limit the devs are allowed to use which literally prevents developers from ever actually leveraging the tech. Therefore artificially throttling and limiting the performance on a desktop level chip.
Since iOS 15 apps can use up to 12GB ram
I detect zero lies in anything he’s said. I’m still rocking the second Gen 12.9 iPad Pro and while it’s definitely aging it still gets the job done for my use case. I want more from the software and will wait to see if Apple unleashes the power of the M1 in the iPad. Thank you for this.
I also have a 2nd gen and honestly couldn't tell the age. I guess it depends on your use case but I use mine for research and photo editing.
I'm going to wait for thier m2 chip, which should come out this year and I'm keeping my Samsung 7+ tablet... just in case.
Second Gen iPad Pro shows no sign of age for me, but I primarily got it for the 120hz refresh rate and larger screen size so that side by side multitasking was usable.
For my use case it’s performing just as well as the day I got it. I don’t see a reason to upgrade especially given the extortionately prices, but admittedly great magic keyboard. I like upgrading hardware often but I just can’t justify replacing the iPad Pro yet.
I think the problem is a lot of Apples older devices are still more than good enough. I upgraded my iPhone 11 Pro Max to the iPhone 13 equivalent as a family member wanted by iPhone 11. The MagSafe charging is the only upgrade that makes a difference in my day to day use.
@@busyjt my sentiments exactly. It’s still my daily driver and as nice as the hardware is on the M1’s the 2nd Gen is still a strong performer. Cheers!
I have 10,5" pro and Im changing for M1 pro, because its throttling, touch is not as responsible as I would wish and the battery is kinda weird. Also my lovely rabbit did make sure that it fell on display and it's cracked now haha. I bought it like year ago used, and if it didn't have those problems, I would keep it as well, the performance is otherwise enough for my drawing. Guess it would make laptop replacement for my mom.
Having come from a 2nd generation 12.9 " iPad Pro I am more than happy with my 2021 MI iPad Pro. Absolutely beautiful combination of engineering and software.
I am planning to buy the m1 ipad pro
0:18 You could’ve returned if you had bought it from Costco, with their 90 day return for full refund policy
Well said, Max. Couldn’t have said it better. Apple is being greedy and limiting this tablet on purpose.
They've been doing this from the start.
iPads were never as good as macs.
We have to remember this tablet is still running the same OS as the other iPads in the lineup. Unless they create features that only the Pro/Air can tap into with their overpowered chips, they’ll be limited by older slower models.
Thinking the same actually, for the demand on pro users they would need to make iPad ProOS 🤷♂️
Don’t they already do that to an extent on Macs and iPhones?
www.google.ca/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2021/06/14/ios-15-exclusive-features-newer-iphones/amp/
@@andyH_England tht was becoz they were hoping ipadOS on the new PRO wud hv macOS-like capability considering it is running on the same chip
n abt the price, yes it is true it is the price of the hardware, but wht is the point of having such a powerful hardware if you cant tap its potential ??
@@andyH_England bcs at that time it was just marketed as a tablet (despite whats a computer and that useless stuff) bcs it had the A series chip and it was great for what it was.
The new one, though better than that, still sucks. It still has all those grt features, but then what is diff in this one except the M1, which cant even be taken advantage of?
@@andyH_England Pretty sure most of the complaints are about the high-end 12.9 inch.
The ram complaint doesn't even make a ton of sense for the lower end iPad Pro... given the OS will chew a chunk of RAM itself, as well as holding some things in background, you would get like 5.9 or 6.something GB of RAM, for a single app, at most.
the limits on the 16GB model are non-nonsensical. Most consumers think more is better. I have a buddy who games and decided he should put 64 GB of RAM in his system. There are people who will buy this and think they are getting some benefits of more RAM, and it is disingenuous for Apple to sell that configuration.
I don't think anyone is suggesting the Air is a replacement for a 12.9" pro. This video recommended the 11" iPad Pro instead. Very fair suggestion.
Now that they announced Final Cut Pro on iPad, you going back?
Yes , any regrets about returning it now ? I have had the non-miniLED 11 inch M1 iPad Pro from launch, just got a M2 Pro MacBook Pro and finally getting to experience the miniLED display that has not come to the 11 inch iPad Pro to date.
By the way Max Tech I always look forward to your uploads and commentary, I rate it the highest and you always make very insightful, valid comments - a lot of replies , myself included, fail to mention this.
Wow. I had no idea that Apple limited the iPad Pro display to SDR when using it as an external display. I completely agree with you that doing this is absolutely inexcusable for Apple. I was thinking the same thing that you mentioned - that, instead of spending $6k on a XDR display to grade HDR content, I could use an iPad Pro. Why, Apple?! Apple makes great products but doesn’t allow them to be used to their full potential. Other tech companies make good products and are just begging for us to use them to their full potential. I don’t like spending a premium on a product with artificial limitations built in!
"Why, Apple?!" - You realise you've already answered that question right?? Because: "instead of spending $6k on a XDR display to grade HDR content, I could use an iPad Pro"
It’s called being a for profit company and one with shareholders who expect year over year growth.
Still rocking my 2018 11in iPad Pro. No need to upgrade. It was stupid powerful when it launched and it still doesn't skip a beat.
Le me: who just bought the iPad Pro yesterday and this video got recommended to me
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EXACTLY!
Dude you are super good at summerizing.
It’s definitely understandable if you are simply upgrading from a 2018 version of the pro, but for someone who hasn’t upgraded for over 4 years this upgrade isn’t bad
same. Being my first ipad, I'd rather still go for the m1 one over last year despite the price.
Exactly. I went from a 2017 256gig model to a m1 1tb and I love it. I use it more than I did before, the pro keyboard really makes a huge difference.
I upgraded from the 11” 2018 pro to the M1 12.9”. It feels like a huge upgrade to me. No regrets
Yeah I have a desktop pc so most of my more hardcore stuff is done on that. I just wanted the iPad for on the go and I Remote Desktop into my pc if I need some of my engineering applications. I upgraded from a 2017 10.5 inch pro and it’s so much better
Right I seriously think review channels have a disadvantage in the fact they become numb to the new technology every year. Us with old iPads absolutely can appreciate the new M1 chip with better screens.
I'll never understand why people keep spending a ton of money to buy a top of the line product, with the sole purpose of using it as something else, and then being disappointed when it's not great at the thing it's not supposed to be in the first place. Laptops are still widely available, so this whole thing makes no sense. If a laptop is the tool you need, get a laptop.
This is why I am keeping my 2018 11 inch pro for another year, and probably for another 2-3 years :). Great video by the way, spot on!
Wifi or wifi + cellular?
The 12.9” iPad hardware is incredible, but the software is such a let down for no reason. Sold mine and moved to M1 MacBook Air for essentially half the price. I now picked up an iPad Mini to go with my MBA and it’s a very good combo, but would love to just be able to have an iPad Pro for everything.
Do you like the mini?
@@b_4bricks yes, it’s a great secondary device.
If you actually want a tablet (a toy) for "everything" then you're an idiot because you can hardly even do the basics of computing on a tablet and this should be obvious to most people by taking one look at the form factor. I'm not surprised you wasted money on a 12.9 inch iPad and learned the hard way.
@@chiefjudge8456 I wanted to use it as more than a toy... I shoot with a Sony A7 siii and edit in FCP on my MBA now, but used LumaFusion on the iPad Pro and it just wasn't what I wanted. The file system (or lack thereof) was the biggest problem.
I just got the 12.9” Pro to watch movies because of the miniLED and left the M1 Mac for homework.
As I use iPad for most things the iPad Pro M1 12.9” has been a pleasure to use my version has 1tb of ssd and 16gb of ram with one of the best screens on any device
this is what the tech world needs.... practical day to day scenarios...not just some good-looking B-rolls
Keeping my 2018 12.9 pro, till it no longer powers on.
Yeah
2018 ipad pro is slightly better than sd 888
Remember to always have Sync on. I had the 2nd gen iPad and a logic board popped and it took over 200 unsaved artworks down with it. Save your data…..
My 2018 just broke 😒 I don’t wanna buy a new one 😌
Don’t care. LOVE my 12.9” iPad Pro.
I loved how honest and practical this long term review was. Really helped me avoid making a purchase mistake.
Apple does this with all its software. You only have to look at the'notch' and the ipod designs to know they are ripping people off.
You should buy what you want without being influenced by someone else who bought it only to make a video which makes cash saying he wants to return it. It’s a game: and you are falling for it.
@@2004cyrusNah not really because the exact thing he’s saying he wants to return it for is the reason we don’t want to buy it bro lol We want to be able to use it as our main device but it’s limitations make that impossible. So another device would be needed no matter what which makes us just buy that device instead. The video is valid my guy it’s no “game” being played to “trick” into not getting what we want😂Nobody is being persuaded to not do what they want. We wanted some truthful facts about the product and got them. Why do people like you think everybody is being “played” all the time except you? Smh crazy world man ctfuuu
As a software engineer, I always advise:"Find the software you want to use, then buy the hardware that runs it." This way, you're never disappointed. You software claims are, somewhat, valid, but keep in mind that Apple never made any promises in that regard. Yes, the "potential" is there, but until it's a reality, you should never use something that was not intended to be used in such a way. I agree that Apple's prices are too far out, and though I own many of their products, I draw the line on certain things that make no sense. Like paying over $2000 for an iPad which I KNOW WILL NOT RUN THE SOFTWARE I WANT and, therefore, will not replace my MacBook Air, for example. With that said, I use an M1 iPad Pro 11" (base model) for "iPad stuff", but I must say that it you're mostly creating documents, editing photos, or maintaining a server or a website, on the go, the iPad Pro is more than capable. My wife has the base M1 iPad 12.9" which she uses exclusively for her work and is a perfect fit for what she does, including the screen real estate that she needs. These machines *can* do it all, but unless you have the proper form factor and software to compliment, they are worthless as anything, but what they are advertise as.
apple said "it has the same m1 chip", "16g of ram" and "look at the display specs" then artificially limited its use for no reason.
yes, buyer beware
but with apple they know the implications and specifically chose to make the ipad have poor software support.
I love when a RUclips channel first makes a video on why you should buy a product for a month later launch a video in why you should get rid of it.
Thank you for your valuable service.
This video makes me feel better about me buying the iPad Air 4
The iPad Air is a great device the pro is for more niche users in my opinion
That’s awesome!! 😊 The only MAJOR issue with the Air 4 is it’s only $20 cheaper then the 11 Inch iPad Pro (assuming you go with 256GB over the 64GB option).
I don’t understand why people hate on someone for their own buying decisions or reasoning.
Cuz u could barely tell a difference between the new one and the 4th gen in most circumstances
Which was NOT expected
The screen only really gets better looking for hdr content, which is a rarity for me at least. And the os holds back the chip so much u could barely tell a difference from the a12z in EVERY scenario
I’m not hating, I’m just waiting for oled iPad b4 Apple gets my money
The iPad is falsely advertised as a ‘computer replacement’. it’s all a marketing scam. I wish I could sell mine too, it doesn’t even have a file system.
We all know why: they are a fan of a product or manufacturer (or they own the same product) and when someone says something bad about their purchase decision, it feels bad. The ego gets hurt, they even take it as an attack. The reaction is defence. It’s natural.
Truth hurts
some people associate themselves with Apple. they think they are a true 'Apple fan' who only believes in Apple way of doing things and innovating things. They found satisfaction and fetish in picking Apple brand as if they are living to support their favourite soccer/basketball team.
and yea sometimes they sucks
That’s why I purchased an iPad 9 gen cause it can do everything what an I pad pro can do except for 120 fps gaming which doesn’t makes any sense on I pad.
it’s scary that my iPad 8 + Macbook Air M1 combo is cheaper than this iPad Pro setup 😂
Yup
what do u need that kind of setup for
@@talkhtw55 just got the iPad for college, there’s little use for it though.. i use sidecar, apple pencil sketching and that’s about it
@@ArminNemeth99 i wanted to get it for university but then thought like..meh why
@@talkhtw55 yeah, we’ll see, i got it to complete the ecosystem 😂, still for $300 it’s not bad
this clip is the best Max ever made in my eyes, very objective and deep to point out the dilemma that Apple delievered with this M1 ipad pro, awsome hardware but awful software, it's not just a minor design issue, but a fundmental strategy chaos, well done!
I bought one today as I saw its potential on the spot. Wish Steve was still alive ..
Still not being able to have full screen external monitor support immediately makes the iPad feel less "Pro"
Not a perfect solution for everyone, but the AppStore has Some options, like shiftscreen for example. It will remove the black bars when connected to an external display.
You should need no extra app for functionality for a device that costs that much. It’s absurd, apple has dropped the ball
Only if you really think you need to plug a beautiful screen into another screen.
@@jacksmith5045 $1100 is not absurd for an ultra-thin and portable device which can rival the performance of some $1500 desktops and basically has a miniaturized version of a monitor worth 5 grand.
@Tweed Penguin Other than file management, iPadOS is still leagues ahead of Tab Android.
I have a 2018 model and I get frustrated during every conference when they act like their entire work flow goes through an iPad Pro. All I do watch videos and browse the web on mine lol
Perfect for an 11” base model I agree. (And we have a separate review for that) but for the 12.9” mode that goes up to $2750+tax with keyboard case, yea this isn’t just a tablet for media.
Yep i still keep my 2018 model, use it for media consumption and gaming only. And maaan realising it got released 3 yrs ago and still kicking almost any tablet today is mind blowing 🤯🤯
Same haha who wants to do all their work on an iPad. I don’t even understand 13” laptops they’re too small
And the iPad Air 4 is perfectly adequate for that. The extra money for the pro gives you a slightly better display and slightly better speakers, neither of which you are likely to notice, and FaceID instead of TouchID, which some people prefer, some people don't.
@@katrinabryce im using iPad Air 2 and it still works perfectly for browsing and streaming 😂
My iPad Pro (12.9-inch, 5th Gen) is stuck on the Apple logo boot loop. The iPad is two years old and is in excellent condition. Apple said it is a hardware failure. I can't believe this is happening in Apple's product.
watching this made me feel the same about the Mac mini M1, other cool temps and great hardware performance, Tim has gone the route of Intel, little incremental upgrades to keep fanboys happy. You hit the nail on the head when you said they keep bragging about the fantastic hardware but fail to mention that they crippled the software so that you have to buy rhe entire lineup. This is terrible when many have lost jobs and need a do everything device that they can afford. Compared to Android, Apple is taking the best tech and giving them out evey Christmas and not cutting edge at all. Shame on Apple, only interested in digging more bucks from their loyal fan base!!
There are cheap do-everything devices out there, they are called foldable windows laptops 👌
Well apple is only playing money game
I’d return it too. The shadowy edges are a real eyesore as you naturally look at the content till the very edge on a mobile device. 16GB RAM is a con. iPadOS even works on iPad 2 so you’re getting a very basic OS running on just 2GB RAM.
@@29kalel It’s good that you are satisfied with your purchase but I run spreadsheets on my 11” and look at stats and numbers throughout the screen. Tried it on the 12.9” and it didn’t work out for me.
@@andyH_England You’ve seen Max Tech’s comparison tests right? I don’t think anyone is complaining about more RAM, people are disappointed that doubling the RAM doesn’t give any added boost to performance. User experience is practically identical for 95% of the tasks done. iPadOS is very good, I love it! It’s from a valuation stand point that I find the 12.9” expensive. Same OS as a basic iPad, just faster. People would rather have added software features to improve productivity but what we got are a better port and centrestage cam.
@@sweealamak628 sorry what do you mean with “shadowy edges”?
@@100xSbirro To be honest, I wish I did not find out, another tuber pointed it out and ruined it for me cos I couldn’t un see it anymore. I do not wish to ruin it for you so before you click “read more” below, this is your chance to turn away 😬
It’s honestly not an issue for most people but the backlight of the panel is dimmer along the edges of the entire display. My suspicion is that engineers could not squeeze anymore mini-leds right to the very end of the chassis so it’s noticeably dimmer all round.
@@andyH_England Thanks for pointing that out! Then it makes more sense however I have yet to find a youtuber posting a vid on this. I guess they were doing everything they could to fit the narrative 😎. Perhaps once iPadOS 15 rolls out in the Fall, more apps get upgraded to utilize more RAM, then we can see huge performance gains during multi tasking.
Literally watched a dozen reviews and no one talks about the limited usage of RAM! Thank you for your honest review. Maybe I'll go with the 11 inch version since I'd still be using my mac air.
Hopefully apple sees this and finally figure their shit out hahahah
If jobs was alive right now he would get rid of MacBooks and put macos on iPads
They've already figured this out long ago. That's why they're doing this bs. Money, money, money
If they put macos to iPad what would be difference between both devices?
@@JohnnyBravo42 they want you to buy an ipad and a mac
@@JohnnyBravo42 There would be little difference in terms of productivity. It would undercut their MacBooks. More people would probably choose iPads for versatility and portability.
Legit video on this subject, thank you. For now, my Ipad pro-2020 6 gig ram is very efficient for all the video editing and stuff I do on it. Apple likes to give, show off and limit its capabilities, it's confusing at times. Yeah, for now, I'll stick with the 2020 version.
This was extremely helpful thank you - exactly what I needed to hear as a high volume photographer. They clearly want you to integrate fully into the apple ecosystem with the iPad pro’s limitations. Ugh.
No apple wants you to spend more money 😂
@@cjones9773 that’s what he said
This is just my personal take based on my routine and work:
The iPad Pro is the most expensive media consumption device a person can buy, I can't do anything I usually do on a PC/Mac, despite having the same components as the M1 macs, and iPadOs apps will NEVER be at the level of professional environment software for production aside of photo or simple video editing, and that's just sad because the M1 iPad is an awesome device that could totally stand of its own, but apple decided it's mean to be just as a complementary device.
Even people who fully adopted the iPad pro as their main device must deal with its artificial shortcomings that make them inevitably use or invest in a mac.
Absolutely agree!!! The experience of using it is incomparable…
Yeah I know, I just want better software support tbh, clip studio paint for example is literally the desktop version but on ipad, and works wonderfully with the pen, even on 10-11inch screens.
With many M1 Mac software now running natively, there's no excuse to not offer those on ipad if someone needs it. For me, technology is about having options, so apple's "my way or no way" of doing things and purposely tripping the ipad's potential really bugs me.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Apple got extremely close on the hardware end with the M1 unifying the iPad and Mac chips, as well as the ergonomic masterpiece (compared to the Surface keyboards, at least) that is the Magic Keyboard.
It’s really a shame that the only reason why they can’t actually make it work is the software. And it’s not like Apple can’t do software right. Honestly speaking, if there’s anyone who can actually perfect a touch-cursor UI, it would be Apple. Their gigantic userbase, extreme vertical integration, ludicrous R&D budget, and lack of fear in implementing (or removing) features puts them in the best (and maybe the only) possible spot to experiment and mass-acclimatise people to a paradigm shift in UX and UI. Heck, they even tried doing a half-hearted attempt at this with the cursor support. And even that already went better than any of their competitors’ attempts. That’s proof that Apple is capable of destroying the competition if it simply tried.
But they didn’t push through. They absolutely, in the most literal of senses, have no excuse for why they didn’t make the iPad the ultimate personal computing device like what they used to proclaim it is. iPadOS 15 was the perfect time to prove everyone wrong about the number one complaint for the iPad Pros. The ingredients were all chopped and ready, the oven’s been preheated, and the recipe’s been tried so many times that it’s practically memorised. All they have to do is APPLY what they have already invented. It’s the equivalent of having a dissertation all written up and just needing to press “submit”.
But no. They chose to double down on the iPad’s weaknesses, at a time where it made the most sense (not only in terms of consumer benefit, but also in terms of finally implementing years of now-matured innovation) to improve the iPad to a new standard unrivalled by any portable device.
Apple did not only their consumers, but also their own software and hardware engineering teams an extreme disservice by not improving on the iPad. It is an exceptionally rare occurence in the tech industry to have a device that is legitimately overpowered for what it can maximally do, especially when its basically for over the course of its entire lifespan. Unfortunately, the current iPad Pros are looking to be as such.
The sad reality is that Apple has shown before that they are willing to neglect their products, almost at a whim. As such there is no precedent for a reality where the iPad could get major improvements in software. We could hope, but it’ll never be certain, or even just probable. Heck, there’s still no native calculator app for the iPad after all these years, and recent interviews directly bringing it up.
I mean PC is still better than MacOS but the proHD display is what the Ipad had going for it so if it had macOS support it might replace my windows laptop...
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Linux has better customization?? You obviously never tried installing a graphics card inside a linux system otherwise you wouldnt be saying that... Thing is Mac is great if you dont need pro features??
Pro Tip: Best Buy has a 45 day return policy for Elite members. I returned mine with the keyboard for full refund and no restocking fee. 👍
So I should get last years model instead at a massive discount?
@@oogaboogachomp I did. Also, I ‘downgraded’ to the 11”. The 13” was just more than I wanted. My wife’s Air 4 felt much more enjoyable and ‘iPad like.’
@@dragngt just bought the 4th gen air 2 mins ago. Was going to get this one but saw reviews just like this one before making my decision. I of course went for the 256gb model. Glad to hear you say that 😂
@@TheRagingSun it is, I’ve already explain on another post why, even with the $50 difference, the 256 air was a good buy for me. I: didn’t want to break 1k, needed accessories which the $50 went to, got more space than the M1, doesn’t hurt, and the usable difference(as in difference the average user will notice) is not much. The 4th gen air has a hella good chip still and for what I do on my laptop(media surfing and art)that’s even overkill.
So the M1 would be stupidly overkill 😂. In other words, for me there was no point in buying the pro when the air does the exact same thing. I don’t Transfer videos so I have no use for the thunder bolt. No one can even use the full power of the M1 because the OS doesnt even allow you to do that much(you’d have to run and transfer so much crap)
There have also been benchmark test that showed when it comes to actual usability the 4th gen air is only slightly below the M1 in terms of power. Not raw power, just using power. That goes back to what I said about you not being able to fully use all of the M1s power. I am not knocking the m1 by any means. It’s a beast! Just a beast you can’t fully tame. Me buying the 4th gen air future proofs me just as much as the M1. iPads last longer than phones so either way I can easily push out 8+ years with this with no issues.
@@TheRagingSun so on paper, iPads last about 4 and a half years. But it’s not the hardware that kills it, it’s the IOS. We all know that one day our devices won’t be updated any longer.
(Which sucks)
The reason I say 8 years for this iPad is because it has features that are good enough for it to last 4 extra years past it being updated. There are still some people rocking 5+ year old iPads. So unless they actually change The Os for their products I 100% do not see myself buying another. I’m 20 now and this is my first ever iPad. For that same reason. I can’t see the next 3-4ipads being any more different than the 4th gen air or M1. Unless they change OS.
Your video confirms to me that the IPad Air 5th gen is the best solution. Almost the half of price with the same capabilities of Pro version (even the basic Mac Mini w/ M1)
You became one of the most honest reviewers and that’s a good thing 😎
I currently have the 12.9 model with the keyboard and pencil for school. This device makes me excited to learn and can use to for that purpose in a lot of different aspects than on a Mac or other laptop. I am using it as my full laptop replacement and I don’t have any issues so far. I enjoy using it and if i need to use more than one display i have a desktop anyways. I love this device especially since the amount of different ways i can use it motivates me to be more productive, its a lot of fun to use. But I understand the frustrations with the cap on apps like pro create and how other apps like photoshop are being held back at the moment. I’m not an extremely skilled artist or editor but i enjoy using it for that purpose and have heard positives about it from others. Basically i respect this guys opinion and can see why people who want to do things with this device other than what i do are frustrated and i am kind of annoyed at it since i spent this money and can’t even use all the power of it if i wanted to. But if you are a student that likes to do other things on the side like artwork and productivity work along with it then i HIGHLY recommend this device over a MacBook or anything else. I do all my schoolwork on this device, invest, draw, edit photos and stream stuff on this device as well as social media. I personally also recommend you get the 12.9 inch version even if you get an older one just because the typing experience with the magic keyboard is significantly better when i tried it at the apple store. I hope this helps for people still deciding! Sorry for the long comment just figured ppl should know as much as they can from others.
Thank you. How much storage do you have?
If you are a student that needs it for school work, there's no need to upgrade to macbook. Heck, you can even get by with just chromebook tbh.
Love the detail level of this video and accurately describes the frustration that so many of us have with the “artificial limitations” imposed on iPads especially when using external monitors. There are a few specialized software that can take advantage of the full real-estate of external monitors, but these are very sparse. Apple should have included this or at some point update their support capabilities. Also the limitations of dealing with external storage drives are very un-Apple in my opinion. Not being able to format or eject drives, so many limitations. I can understand not having everything instantly when M1 iPads were released, but the updates should be coming / roadmap or something. I too was excited to upgrade to M1 iPad, but ended up returning mine after testing. Just not enough useful advantages over my existing 12.9 iPad Pro 4th gen. the new screen is incredible, but for day to day use, not watching HDR movies in a dark room, even side by side with my prior gen, it just was not as impressive as it should have been. Pros do pro work, and that is more than just watching movies or HDR content. Would have loved if at least some of the 1000 nit brightness could be utilized more readily, especially when using the iPad outdoors in bright sunlight or other harshly bright environments. Seems like 99% tasks are limited to ~600 nits just like my prior gen 12.9. I also like the comments about “we are not asking Apple to put macOS on the iPad” and I somewhat agree with that. I think Apple should at least explore the blended area more. If they would remove some of these limitations and have even only 1 iPad that was more of a MacBook capable replacement (this doesn’t mean full macOS), I think there are a large number of people that would pay an extra 1000 or whatever for that true hybrid type device. Or enough to make up for that small set of users that might not buy both an iPad and a MacBook [Pro] as well.
i liked watching his autocorrect try to sort out the gibberish he was typing in his demo😂
hahah :)
Apple always talks about the synergy between hardware and software…guess the two teams didn’t talk because of COVID. iPadOS 15 is a massive let down, like, what happened Apple? Hardware team comes out like a MASSIVE male lion and the software team shows up like a new born cub. Really sad.
I guess it’s because HW guys really have to work on place and there is nothing to hide. Software guys works from home these days so there is lack of even self control and coordination and management.
And yep, I’m the guy who works from home as web developer, but with high level of self control and productivity. Actually, my new company is very happy with me. But it comes from people itself, somebody wants to work where the others are just able to talk about it.
I think that is main reason Tim wants all employees back at work. It’s definitely managable to have software guys working from home, but there must be no excuses, no empty talks. If you can proof your results, fuck you, you are fired. Tim is too nice guy to be really tough on people and this is the result.
it’s all driven by Marketing and Executive decisions. I blame Tim and Marketing, not the engineers.
What did you expect iPadOS to have that’s a letdown? I find it’s the perfect tablet, better than any tablet out there. People get obsessed with replacing their laptop with this device, something Apple has never said they wanted to ever do. So when they don’t get something Apple never promised them, they get disappointed. As a tablet, it’s the best. As a laptop… well it isn’t a laptop. Why would you expect it to be?
@@techinrl9869 nobody says it is a laptop. But horrendous bugs like support for external devices not working many times, external display support entirely unusable, still horrible way to multitask on iPad Os etc makes this device somewhat dubious. One would welcome something like reversal Catalyst to easily migrate macOs apps to iPad Os. If you have that kind of power, yet no power apps to use, it makes sense that software is killing this great HW. You have plenty of horsepower yet nothing to be able to use it at all.
@@ZhuJo99 You’re talking about a beta 1 version of iPadOS. Back when iPadOS 14 came out, there were also a lot of drives that didn’t work with the USB-C port that did when the final version came out. Bugs will always be expected in beta software. If they’re still there when iPadOS 15 releases in September, then you’ll have a case. As for a laptop, EVERYBODY seems to call it a laptop. Have you not seen the 20 billion “Can the iPad Pro replace your laptop” videos? I’m sick of seeing them when Apple never promised a laptop. Sorry, but “What is a computer” does not equal “This is a laptop replacement”. It means it’s a serious computing device, not a toy, which at the time, many people considered it to be one. You claim nothing is available to use all that horsepower. There are tens of thousands of apps, including hundreds of games and pro apps that use the power of this system. If your favored app is not there, talk to the developers. That’s not on Apple to write other people’s apps for them. Consider the iPad Pro has been out for a month. Did you expect every possible app to be available before developers had even had a chance to get one? As for external display, many apps do use the full display with no black bars. Keynote is one of them and that’s by Apple. Developers can utilize an external any way they want, but they need a compelling reason to do so. Why is the desktop not extended? Because it’s a touch device where very few have a Magic Keyboard. Exactly how did you expect people to touch their icons on that external monitor? That’s also why most apps don’t use the second monitor because there’s no way to touch anything. When people ask for features, they simply don’t think it through as to whether it’s a good idea or not.
I used my apple products differently 😉
Iphone for work’ , ipad for reading and study , mac for creating 😉😉😉
Apple played us...they took an iPad chip and put it in the macbook...then took that chip and placed it back into the iPad..And we lost our minds 😂😂😂
😂
Unpopular opinion: People look at the iPad wrong, partly because of Apple's confusing marketing. But the Mac already is a product, there is no need for the more user friendly, simpler iPad to turn into a Mac. What people really want is a better Mac, not a better iPad, it seems.
thank you!! finally someone usderstands
Yeah, I somewhat agree with you, I think if Apple didn't out M1 on the iPad Pros then people would have been more than happy with iPadOS 15, but again... now someone can use all the adobe apps, luma fusion, procreate and stuff like that with greater power. I think Apple had planned to put M1 in iPad Pro when they launched iPad Air 4, because it was almost as good as the A12Z iPad Pro.
Check out our 11” review 😉
@@MaxTechOfficial nah now shoo 😂
Buy one to use the affinity suite. It has the same features that on the i mac, not a mini version. So i can work at home and get my job outside. Ipad is not like a portable computer but i can draw directly on the screen. And because affinity is the same, it is ok for me
Personally, I would get a macbook air and an iPad Mini
Why iPad mini if you can get a pro max iphone? For what tasks would you pick the mini over a pro max iphone?
@@irig0ld Pro Max is three times the price and is slightly too large IMO, I'm happy with my Samsung S10e which I paid 100$ for. When the phone is too small and I don't feel like using my laptop or desktop, I use my iPad mini.
The iPad mini has almost twice the screen area of an iPhone Pro max and is more useful when reading or consuming media, when it become too small i will use my desktop. This is just my preference, it's cost effective as well since my iPad, M1 Mac Mini and a phone cost less that the iPhone Pro max.
@@rumbecker5085 thanks for sharing your perspective. I've been checking peoples use cases here and there.
After returning the 11 inch ipad pro and not being able to use it to somewhat replace my MacBook, I am now looking at an iPad air, MacBook combo, but I also want to get the iPhone 13 pro max. So now considering skipping the ipad altogether and just use the pro max and a MacBook. Not sure yet if I should just get the base MacBook air m1 or wait for the new 14 inch m1x's.
@@irig0ld I'm not a fan of iPad's in general, I feel the full sized iPad are just too big. The iPad mini is the perfect fit for me but even then I only bought it as I needed a backup for work just incase I lost internet. It was cheaper for me to get an iPad for cell back up at 5$ a month data plan vs 45$ if I got the same data plan with a phone.
As for my next Phone, I might get the iPhone 12 mini, perfect size for me. Funny thing is, a years a go I pledged never to buy another apple product(2012 macbook air was the only apple product I had at the time), now I have an M1 Mini, iPad mini and looking to get an iPhone mini. As soon as the new air comes out I will probably buy that and give the M1 Mini to my son.
This is no doubt the smartest setup. Some people may not want to settle on their phone, but as far as bang for the buck, you are 100% spot on@@rumbecker5085The 12 pro max is tempting if it’s your ONLY mobile device, but I agree that a cheap phone and literally any iPad is better.
Lol I’m upgrading from iPad 6th gen so I’m happy with the purchase!!
Big upgrade
Going from an older generation iPad to an iPad Pro device is a massive update, and you'll definitely see a lot of bang for your buck.
@@Shad0wchasers1 ya I’m excited for mine to come in the mail! I know people are unimpressed by software upgrade but I’m satisfied with getting just the hardware upgrade haha
@@cafecozumel7 Enjoy! More power to you!
@@JapanPlayASMR thanks!
I use my iPad Pro for nearly everything now and don’t often need to get out my MacBook these days.
Yeah I feel this. I got an iPad Pro about a week ago and it’s amazing but it’s so limited it’s not worth the price. Such a shame that such good hardware can be ruined by software. Luckily for me I can return it
If i would have watched this video when you wrote this i would have suggest you to Just change the pro for the ipad air, the ipad mini or ipad nine you still get a great tablet and maybe with that amount you spent you could get a Nice case for the ipad or a pair of air pods.
@@sarizonana yeah the new mini is cool, but I ended up getting a ThinkPad x12
I spent an hour comparing the 4th and 5th gen pro’s display and could barely tell, then I put my iPhone 12 mini next to them….
Returned the iPad yesterday. Wait for the oled…
I did the same thing! I too have the 12 Mini
I don't have the 12 mini, but I totally found the LCD 'liquid retina?' display on the ipad pro 11 inch incredibly lacklustre. It feels like a cheap screen with a shiny glow coming from it that doesn't feel comfortable on the eyes.. I don't know why no one is talking about this. People just accept these things because its apple and since its 1k+ its good no matter what? I think you are right here and waiting for OLED is the right move.
@@irig0ld The best way I can describe it to people is taking an older iPhone like the 6s and comparing a video on it vs. one of the new 12 models. You can see the differences clearly and effectively. Same concept as the 11” screens vs. 12.9” mini LED.
Kudos to you. For years I had thought you were an Apple hack but you have rationally talked me out of buying the 12.9 M1 and gotten a new subscriber.
The best iPad is.. still an iPad. It's limited by the iPadOS and until they introduce MacOS like features, it will never truly be a replacement for a MacBook.
And it shouldn't be. MacBook is the MacBook... period. iPad is a home entertainment system you can take on the road.
Think I’ll stick with my 2018 iPad 11 Pro for a while longer - thanks for the review
Well I don’t own a extra screen and most stuff u mentioned that doesn’t work I would need to Google to understand what it is I am probably the topical iPad user sold my pc never missed it
Apple needs to get it together. The ram limits are unacceptable. Power users bought the device for its ram, and now they lock it to 5GB? Absolutely dumb.
@@29kalel, I didn’t say apps needed to use 100% of the ram. If the system needs roughly 2.7GB of ram (seems excessive for a tablet), that leaves a lot more than 5GB available on the 16GB models.
Apps you use may be fine with minimal ram. For those working in 3D, more ram means more polygons in a scene. Having the ability to create more complex scenes on iPad would be great, and it’s what we expected from these iPads, and Apple intentionally made that impossible.
The only problem with 16GB RAM is you will pay for it to have a TB storage but you don't need it.
@@29kalel did you snack on lead paint as a child?
Apple has it together it’s the ecosystem. Never did Apple point out the iPad will be an alternative or some form of replacement for the MacBook, pple just speculated and hoped for that considering the amount of power the thing has. Business wise the move would have killed the MacBook Air. It would have been nice but business is profits.
@@gage8545 Unlike desktop OSes, iPad OS can't use virtual memory on disk, so apps have to fit completely into RAM. 8 GB on a MacBook goes a long way compared to an iPad.
Apple didnt limit the ipad os, they literally murdered it.
I agree
Expectations way too high… one must realize this is the start of becoming a laptop replacement. In fact Mac OS takes its cues directly from iPadOS.
I actually like the iPadOS 15 update but I have a $300 IPad 8. I would be pissed if I had a $2k configuration of a M1 iPad Pro, especially with that return period expiring. Apple is essential trying to Artificially raise demand for it’s MacBooks by limiting the M1 iPad Pro.
Oh god. I heard this same crap in the camera world about Canon crippling their camera line to raise demand for their cinema line garbage.
Guess what, Apple is a business. Having tiers and markets is what business is all about. It's funny how many people seem to miss this in their every day life. Why is a VW not as good as a Porsche? Same thing dude - different price points and/or different markets.
The iPad is not a macbook and a macbook is not an iPad. They work very differently. There is a reason that most all-in-one Windows laptops are neither great laptops, nor great tablets. They are just a compromise, and additionally, the companies that make them are failing at marketing in a way that Apple does not. Apple is one of the biggest tech companies on earth for a reason.
I heard it all in the camera marketplace for years. People who need cinema cameras do not buy mirrorless cameras. Period. There is a reason why Canon is the biggest camera company in the world too.
Take some years in Marketing and Finance in University and you'll understand how this all works, instead of resorting to conspiracy theories that most people do (lazy minded ones anyway).
@@77dris Sorry I only read RUclips comments that are 1 paragraph or less in length. Anything longer is usually a troll rant.
@@77dris i defend the company not the consumers
Sigh. You just vocalized all the things I’ve been thinking. Unfortunately, I traded in my 2018 iPad Pro. i actually preferred it over this M1 iPad Pro. The fact that this one is slightly thicker and the body shaping is different makes it less satisfying to hold in the hand. And for the additional $1000 that I paid (i got $550 trade in credit for my old iPad), I don’t think it was exactly worth it. I don’t do anything that needs the additional power and even if I did, they haven’t unleashed the power of this baby anyway. The previous iPad was more than enough for me and I probably should have held on to it. Thanks for posting. I’m going to my room to listen to sad music on a youtube channel with my amazing m1 iPad Pro speakers and cry.
I think you made the right move and future proofed your workflow for many many years. Life is too short, enjoy the power. Ya it may not have the same feel but you’ll get used to it. And when Apple capitulates from the mass of anger from RUclipsrs you might get more the software you were hoping for.
I don't understand the need for 12.9inch ipad. If I want a big device I would get a macbook...
Art
Yeah, those touchscreens on MacBooks never fail to deliver. Oh, wait...
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine most people buying ipads don't get them for drawing though, like half of tech youtubers are making videos such as "ipad for video editing?", that was my initial point. I understand that the touchscreen can be a strong reason to buy for many :)
@@yuanyuanintaiwan Gotcha. Yeah, video editors are clearly over-represented on RUclips when it comes to all things Apple. That said, if you want or need a touch-sensitive interface, there just isn't any alternative out there. That's clearly due to Tim's greed, and I hate it. God forbid 5 people were to forego an iPad purchase because their Mac already has touch. Tim's gonna starve for sure. Even though nothing would happen since they're completely different products with completely different usage scenarios, touch or not.
Beautiful, classiest rant I’ve seen. Very satisfying to see my own frustrations and more, expressed in 4K. Didn’t shy away from the nearly 20min length either. Thank you!
I returned mine after a week. It was too big and did nothing more than my 2020 iPad Pro did.
Why would you even get the m1 iPad Pro when u already had then 2020 version
I just have the smaller one which is better to take around than the 12.9
@@CH-gt4nj Because I was stupid! Lol
@@CH-gt4nj because he’s not a peasant
@@swaggettiyolonese2373 Because he is murican
The software limitations is something I’ve learned a long time ago. The same reason you see a new apple product every year. They want to give themselves an excuse to put out a new phone or tablet each year and advertise how much improvements they made. There’s a reason why most people don’t upgrade their products until a couple years have passed and there’s noticeable differences.
Agree completely. After 2 months using iPad Pro 11” 2021 I’ve concluded it’s somewhat useless. It’s not really pro. Any 13 inch laptop can do better that it. What I hate the most of this iPad Pro 11 2021, is that I can’t make right click with the MagicKeyboard o the MagicMouse 2(it’s useless for many tasks that require to right click). I wish I’d bought a MacBook Air instead of it. I am also thinking on selling it.
Amazing in-depth video! I have a 2018 iPad Pro 11” 256gb with a Magic Keyboard and I still absolutely love it. Its probably my all time favourite device 👌🏼
Why??????? The iPad Pro is truly an awesome machine. I have to use it but recently bought a MacBook Pro for universal access. Everything does run well but now but didn’t before the MacBook Pro joined my family. Also I actually use 2 iPad Pro and universal access seamlessly connects them BUT it would have been grand if the two iPads could have had “hive mentality” without the MacBook Pro helping things along.
My question: what if we jail break the iPad Pro??? Could we bypass some of the limitations OS15 chains on the iPad? Never did it so…thoughts?
When the M1 iPad Pro came out I had some buyers remorse after purchasing an iPad Air 4 when that first came out. No longer! I’m happy with the Air 4 and M1 MacBook Air combo that I have going on. 👍🏾
Does you Air download software? As a music producer im looking to get the air or mac mini
I’m literally still using my 2018 iPad. And the more and more I see these updates, the less and less I’m willing to upgrade.
I just bought the IPad Air 2022!
Couldn’t decide but the price made perfect sense for my budget! Thanks for your video!