The Secret Second Enemy Limit of Super Mario Maker Explained!
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2018
- There are certain Super Mario Maker mechanics which I never quite understood. Small mysteries, that simply didn’t make any sense to me. Until recently! Because as it turns out a lot of the weird Super Mario Maker mechanics have a very simple origin. There is a second, secret enemy limit in Super Mario Maker. The entity limit B, and as it turns out understanding this second entity limit allows us to create stuff in Super Mario Maker that was previously believed to be impossible!
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Heh. I love it. It's like physics, figuring out the rules and exploiting them to your advantage. Of course, in the real world, the physical principles underlying our technology are unlikely to be patched out in a future version of the universe.
I mean im pretty sure its an intentional feature, and nintendo doesn't do much with mario maker anymore anyways
Nah. This kind of thing, while probably not a bug, is not a feature either, but an implementation detail. They certainly never intended for level designs to be dependent on these specific numbers, which were probably chosen to strike a balance between design flexibility and frame-rate. The numbers will probably increase if the game is ever ported to a newer console.
Haven't you watched the trailer for Outside 2? They're changing physics so the mammal class can fly, and pass through walls. Its weird.
*Used when the level is "B"layed.*
🅱layed
That's what I thought!
Time to 🅱lay
bay blayed bay blayed let it rip
on that same screen , under ELA, it says ceation
If a blue platform falls off a track, and no one is around to see it, does it count towards the entity limit?
Yes! It would just remotely unload a thing from track memory.
Schrödinger’s platform
That's actually really complicated. Blue platforms work in a really strange way. While they are on a track they count, if they fall down they stop to count like expected, but if Mario comes close to it again the blue platform resets, and suddenly counts again. So to answer your question: I have no idea! (;
Zen
lol everyones taking this so seriously. its a joke on, "if a tree falls in the woods and no ones around to see it, does it make a noise?"
Great video, not only does it show so many creative things but you managed to explain it all in an understandable way! Genius of you to put the elb counter in the top right hand corner, i dont know how you came up with this without being able to see that!
I liek ur face
Science, of course!
9:07 and even more lucky for mario *HE WATCHED THIS VIDEO*
*[Time paradoxes intensify]*
I just wanted to say that you did a great job with the visuals on this, it really made understanding what was going on a lot easier.
Nice one, again, Ceave :)
Psycrow ceave is breaking the game without glitches i think ceave is breaking it more than u
Oh man! This feels like undiscovered treasure centuries after its burial! This is a huge step!
12:25
QUESTION: CAN YOU BUILD A SWITCH WITH THIS? I thought of like putting a blue plattform into the ground with a one space gap and if you trigger it, a bullet blaster shoots a pow. Then we just use the switch contraption from one of his previous videos.
Sorry for my bad english, I'm german...
What about big goombas? If you jump on those you’ll spawn 2 new ones. Would that overflow the ELB?
That's pretty clever! Probably yes!
Try loading 98 entitys on tracks then defeat a big ememy
And trigger a quick block
Question block dang autocorrect t
You should get the Nobel-Price in physics. Mario Maker physics.
jojo xD yyyaaaa
The truth isn't always funny.
Of course, in the real world, the physical principles underlying our technology are unlikely to be patched out in a future version of the universe.
ayy
jojo xD ja hi ich kenn dich doch von Domi's kommentaren
you are the purest mario maker channel
This is an AMAZING video. Also, what if one of your non mario maker friends watches this video. This would be so confusing for them.
...like me
but no I still get it
Wow. You are so amazing. How do you do this? Are you some kind of expert in Mario maker science? Are you like always in “the lab” conducting experiments on the game? HOW?!?
You are the best of super mario maker (smm)
Does the ELB change if you carry an item or have yoshi eat it? Also, is a goomba shoe in the ELB or ELC?
It is in the ELB
This is the best Super Mario Maker-related channel on RUclips. I love your videos!
It is truly amazing how much lies underneath the seemingly simple surface of Super Mario Maker. Maybe not much for making traditional levels, but the range of tools for making all sorts of unconventional mechanics are beyond numerous. It's really great you keep discovering stuff like this for us, Ceave. Never stop what you're doing.
2:36 “Ceation Mode Entity Limit”
I love the entity counter in the top corner! It helps so much with explaining this video! Love these videos!!!
I really hope they don't change how this works if they bring the Game to the Switch... Although i guess the then much larger Comunity would not understand what they have to do and hate the Levels instead of admiring their greatnes...
Ich meine mal ehrlich... Domtendo zum beispiel würde bei sowas ziemlich schnell den Verstand verlieren glaub ich...
EIN DEUTSCHER!!!!
This is revolutionary; nothing tiny about it. Your engineering is bringing something wonderful to this community. I carefully watch your videos.
This is awesome! So many things we could do with this! Can't wait to hear about ELC
I love your videos! You must know a lot about super Mario maker. You also come up with ideas that no one else would think about! You definitely deserve more subscribers. Keep it up!👍
11:28 "Next, we have currently *3* Thwomps, which donut-overload *4* block each. Which means, that we're donut-overflowing our current ELB-count by *15*."
Erm...no? 3 * 4 ≠ 15
Well, if now my brain wouldn't suck, I would not be sitting here, being embarrased af... Eitherway, thanks. Now I can sleep...
As a math tutor and a fan of video games, I love hearing people talk like this: with such passionate algorithms and joy for what they are doing.
Great explanation for sprite (entity?) limits! I actually figured out everything that's explained here a long time ago, I would add 3 more aspects though:
1) Bill blasters spawn one extra sprite ("entity") while shooting winged coins. It despawns as soon as the bill blaster stops shooting. Keep that in mind if you want to use the tech, it has already messed up sprite limit levels of mine.
2) Koopas in SMW style become two sprites when the Koopaling is pushed out of its shell (very useful!).
3) There is a hard entity limit B of 512 that cannot be exceeded at all and will even prevent One-Ways from spawning (and functioning) after coming in viewing range. Unfortunately this limit can to my knowledge only be reached by cheesing the entity limit A in the editor so you won't be able to upload it permanently anyway.
I think messing around with clown cars and putting things in them might create even more opportunities. Great video!
3:42. What's a "SYMBOLE"?
I think it's the German way of saying Symbol
but first we need to talk about parallel universes
I didn't knew that Mario Maker can be so complex :o I love your videos. It's so cool how much you can create by yourself in only one game and how you, Ceave, nearly create a new "science" with your videos. Ceave, the Mario Maker-scientist xD
I didn't want Mario Maker Switch until this video, because now that you discovered that, there are so much new things we can do!
The most mind blowing SMM video ive ever seen, still, its cool how you explain the mechanics and their uses, you deserve more subs
How far can you overload the ELB then?
Let's see: 100 big thwomps on donut blocks bring the count up to 500. Then we could add 8 doors in total, and have mario stand on two additional donut blocks. Oh, and we could bring a pow block from the underworld. So 511 is definitely possible!
Ceave Gaming wow! Thanks man!
Someone Different wow yeah...
Someone Different you could, but as ceave said above, using thwomps on donuts is better since you could have 6 entities in one
Ceave Gaming There is still the Black hole glitch
I dunno why but for some reason the content you upload is just so addicting to watch xD
I messed around on the 3ds, i found heavy lag, but also a simple trick to having one way walls disappear
how?
ItsYee You make 99 enemies on tracks at the start of the level, go ahead a screen or so and make a one way gate, place an unreachable door behind it, go another screen further and place a goomba in a ? Block. Then add another enemy on track at the start, in play mode go to the goomba and free it. come back to the one way gate and it should have disappeared!!! You can now enter the door!!!
?
ItsYee I'll make a video and upload it tomorrow
ok
You really are an extremely edutaining. Keep up the great work, I can't wait to see entity limit c!
Hey! I'm currently trying to figure out a way to create a breath mechanic for underwater stages in super Mario maker, where you have to keep swimming to the top of a stage. I think this could be possible using a timer that only counts when Mario is at the bottom of a stage, but reloads when Mario swims up to the top and back down again. Hopefully you could make a video on this (if it makes sense). If I end up making a stage using this mechanic, I'll send you the id.
Thanks
Edit: I made a small stage showing the don't drown mechanic the id is:
F2D100003A18737
Hi Ceave, I noted something very interesting about "Koopers" in the SMW theme. If it loses its shell and you give it a shell of a different color/size, the "Kooper" will adjust its shoe color and size to fit the new shell. Pretty sure this could be used for some cool puzzles.
Just an idea for the next video. I feel like track memory may in some way be able to re-create the beat blocks from MG2, and I feel like that would have some cool level ideas.
Nice to see your videos again! I've been gone for a while.
Holy crap ceave. This is absolutely insane, and you can do so many things with this new found knowledge. You could even make a fake glitch level of sorts, if you know how you want to do it. Good job allowing us to "break the game" with stuff Nintendo made on purpose.
This is revolutionary. If you are able to control if things spawn or not with simple donut blocks, that opens up CRAZY possibilities. And if what you said is true, being that ELC and ELB can be combined in some way, it would just blow my mind. The best part about this, however: it's actually suprisingly simple!
The Living Graveyard
Entity limit B cpuld be used as an Exp system, and ELC could be used as a money system maybe.
I remember when this was amazing, now everyone know about it and it is really simple.
Two days in a row again!
Someone stop this mad lad!
A few weeks ago I made a simple "avoid the stars" level based on what you're calling Entity Limit C. It's pretty straightforward. You're trapped in a small arena with three stars bouncing around; you're safe as long as you avoid them, but if you touch any of them, the floor soon turns to coins. It works by having 97 powerups spawned off-screen, which, combined with the 3 stars, fills the limit of 100 powerups. There's an inaccessible bullet blaster set to shoot mushrooms, but it won't fire as long as all 100 powerups remain spawned. Collecting a star despawns it, allowing the blaster to fire a mushroom - which indirectly triggers a P switch, killing poor Mario.
3B71-0000-039B-6586 if anyone cares.
Man this is awesome! I hope they take this to a hopefully existing switch version so that more people can play around this idea, great video clearly explained and easy to understand! Keep it up!
What's that 134 in the top left at 10:00 for?
Wow, how'd you even notice that?
I honestly have no clue
I think it’s just part of that background he uses. Some gears and other tools in blueprints will have numbers to represent them so they won’t have to write out the entire name. I assume that that’s what that is.
It's showing how many dolla bills he gets for getting to 10 mins
YOU FOUND A EASTER EGG!
Dunno if anyone has said it but you basically just discovered Super Mario Maker quantum mechanics... So good job. :)
Seriously an awesome video !
Keep it up man !
6:55 That boi is having the time of his life
This is just an idea for a future video about locks. I have an idea for a one way lock. Using spawn loading tricks, a hardload/door after a P-Switch can load a shelmet and a spring which can trigger a POW Block, but there has to be an invisible block in front of the POW Block. This way, the shelmet can trigger the POW Block and the invisible block that unloads the POW Block the next time the area is loaded.
If this kind of thing was more easily available and mentioned, Imagine all the crazy things that could be made, even without videos like these
This is completely insane. I can't even believe you found all of this out wow.
Hey Ceave, i found a neat little trick in Mario Maker that might be useful- and, to my knowledge you havent made a video including it, so i suppose you dont know about it. If you use those moving platforms (that go up and down) in a castle level, and put them in the lava/or one block over the lava (both works) and put an enemy on it, the enemy dies once the platform goes into the lava (and so does Mario.) Except Dry bones, they actually survive this. This could be useful with levels where you have to bounce of big Dry Bones when the floor literally turns into lava.
Edit: okay, i decided to test it further, and Bill Blasters, Cannons and Munchers dont die either.
Two things:
12:30 You can just move enough to the left to make only pipe and mouncher load. Your example got busted!
13:45 Little?! LITTLE?! This video is much longer that the usual! most videos (at least last few) are shorter that 10 minutes! Anyway I still think you're a complete genius and should get a huge respect from entire SMM community for this video! Wait, no! For your entire channel!!
I can’t actually believe this. Please do a video on entity limit c. Then can you do a video combining all 3. Also, if you were to create a level using elb and elc, can you put both limits in the corner when you play it as it would really help put this is context.
Where's the most complicated way of triggering a P?
The P didn't spawn cos the ELB was 100
MC Dimension u didn't even understands what he said
KuliceeDaDerp I did but I allow myself to make a joke
I made a really cool level that compiles a bunch of mechanics that I didn't know what to do with. Here's the code: 44A4-0000-03A1-277E. I hope you enjoy it!
AMAZING WORK!!! Give it up for Ceave, singlehandedly pushing the met!!!
Please keep it up ceave!
Oh my gosh, I do contraptions all the time, and I never thought of this! Nice job, you've been doing this for a while! Also, what was your first video, and I love your voice, and the videos are amazing! I subscribed.
Also how do you get your tv screen to fit perfectly in the camera?
I’ve been taking a lot inspiration from your videos lately, I may leave some level ID’s for you to play
Can't wait for the entity limit Q video!
0= this video is just amazing, It must of taken ages to make, I'm going to subscribe!
EDIT: nvm I am subscribed already
Can't Wait For the Video on Entity Limit C!
This puts SMM as one of those games that have many unintentional secrets dug up by fans put to good use, similar to Super Mario 64 Melee, and Paper Mario, perhaps?
Could I please ask you (Ceave Gaming) a question? What video editor do you use? I would really like to know...
This is by far the best ceave video yet! WOW!
11:30 How is there 12 donut blocks on screen but 15 on the ELB and as you say?
The three thwomps count as well!
Thonk.
Also, something real quick, using this concept, it's REALLY easy to replicate keys!
So if keys were never introduced,
You technically made the opportunity to use them.
Ceave Gaming wait... Ceave replies to comments? Ok...
Three entity limits? Are you kidding me?
Hey, at least it's not four!
Am I right?
(Am I right....)
Daniel David Well, bowser and bowser Jr. Are seperate, i think
@@Luaporleafcutterant there are five, entity limit (a+b) items limit (c+d) Block limit creation (e)
this was insanely complicated and now this game is gonna be BOSS!!!
i have an idea if you overflow the ELB you have to defeat 3 Bowsers to hit te question block which gives you a key to end the level!
and i think the doors could be able to reset the question block
Don't bowsers count into a different entity limit?
idk
bowsers are loaded earlier than other entity's, but only move when 'fully' loaded.
I'm here to tell you that you have cursed me, every time I see or hear 'hooray' I hear you saying it in my head.
Neat stuff! May I suggest a change in terminology? Poorly named variables are the programmer's bane. I have some suggestions for more descriptive names.
Entity Limit A -> Maker Entity Limit
Entity Limit B -> Play Entity Limit
Entity Limit C -> Play Powerup Limit
Wow. They actually managed to capture this part of "making a early Nintendo" game. The hardware/engine limits you can use to do impossible stuff?
Yay part 2! Was wondering how it works :D
“Shiny, but deadly coins” is your Cleave gaming’s new catchphrase!
Ceave*
NOW, OTHER PPL, DON'T YOU DARE CORRECT THE SAME THING I JUST CORRECTED!!!
From my experience this is not the case for 3DS version (just if people are curious)
It matches what I've tested so far on my 3DS version. And there's no lag on a *New* 3DS system. At least, not on the New 2DS XL.
Yeah I tested out on new 3DS XL
Ceave! You are a complete genius! How much time do you spend on all this research!!! Eventually we will have the ELZ7 and we will be able to make items invisible! Great job! You are amazing!
Leave it to Ceave to discover that there are 3 entity limits! This is why you are my 4th favorite youtuber, you can discover or create entierly new and groundbreaking things in supermario maker.
I am so overwhelmed to find out that there are still more and more things I don't know about Super Mario Maker even so long after its release.
It's not a game anymore it's science!
I hope, Nintendo will announce Super Mario Maker 2 in the near future!
So....
now we can make forced boss fights without a key door or some other convoluted mechanism?
God you do a very good job at making thumbnails!
You can make a puzzle with this! Just place 99 entities (on a track if you want them to stay there) and question blocks. You can make people guess which question block is the correct one to hit! Make anything the key
Hey Ceave, do you plan on making any SMM3DS videos? The 3DS version has quite a lot of differences.
We need an update video on this for SMM2, mostly regarding changes to what counts towards it.
Ceave: I hole you enjoyed this little video
Me: This little video that completely changes Super Mario Maker.
Put a enemy (or anything) on a blue platform and make sure the enemy doesn't fall off the blue platform and you get an item that doesn't unload.
Welcome to entity limit K, today I will be explaining.......
parallel universe spamming?
Does this make speedrun levels with checkpoints possible?
I feel like better names than A B and C would be ones relating to what type of entity they track. Maybe have A be EL:EP for Entity limit: Enemy Placement, because you it only affects how many enemies you can place in create mode. ELB could be called EL:(I'm honestly not sure, but I'll edit if I get any good ideas). ELC could be EL:P-U for Entity limit: power-ups. I just feel it would be easier to remember.
And to shorten saying them maybe pronounce them as words, and not abreviations.
I really hope that there are going to be a ton of puzzle levels by this trick
There's not a doubt in my mind that SMM Switch is going to be a thing, but I have to wonder what the game will be like. It would make sense to code a new game that offers more tools than this game, but many fascinating, complex, and creative designs rely on manipulating this game's loading logic and entity limits. So if those changed, we might lose some of the greatest designs in SMM.
You truly are the smartest person in the world. I don’t know how you figured this out? You’re a genius
Hey, where the heck is the SM64-fileselect-theme?!?
This is INSANE! We are still discovering things about this game 2 1/2 years after its release! Nintendo please make MM2
It shouldn't be "stop to count," it should be "stop counting..." Stop to count is more like, stop _and_ count.
For maximum confusion, how about this: I was on a road trip, and I stopped driving to take a break.
Sorry to fixate on a tiny detail of this fascinating video. You sort of said the opposite of what you meant!
Wow! A entity limit C! Can't wait for entity limit D
You are so creative. I could never do something like this!
Now watching this for a second time now I think you should create “don’t touch the blue platforms”. Just a suggestion