Brok says “Let’s drink” then while completely silent, he delivers said drinks. A man of principle. A man of discipline, sheer willpower and the value of his word. We all need a Brok in our lives
Odin didn't know about Atreus' secret escape spell because he and Sindri spoke outside the house at the time. That's why he slipped up in the next time he was Tyr because everything happened so fast.
He slips up a couple times in hindsight. He almost hits kratos and Atreus over the head a couple times with how obvious it is lol. But Odin did a tremendous job of picking and choosing his words very carefully while mimicking tyr. Even while playing Valhalla now and seeing how the real Tyr interacts, he’s really not that different from how Odin portrays him. Far less cowardly of course, but the mannerisms and the way he speaks is spot on the cadence is spot on.
@@SergioMendoza760 Well the people around Kratos (the Dwarves, Mimir, Freya) surely spent a lot of time around Tyr in the past so it was a no brainer for a guy as clever and manipulative as Odin that he needs to mimic the real Tyr as genuine as he can
That last line from Mimir made me think. All this time he’s been telling stories about events he learned about, but rarely did he actually witness a story-worthy event in person until he met Kratos. Now he probably has as many, if not more, stories than the ones he knew before meeting Kratos. And they’re all from an eye-witness account, himself.
I don't think that's entirely true. Mimir was in Odin's court for Starkadr's discrediting and death, and was at least present for Hrimthur's invite to Asgard (may have got the name wrong, but the one that fell on Thor).
I love how when Mimir said he doesn’t like Atreus going back to Asgard, Kratos almost turned around because someone agreed with him. But, as soon as Mimir said “but”, Kratos stopped because right then and there, he understood it’s their best shot no matter how much he hates it
I just realized. It’s not because Kratos thinks Atreus can’t do it. Kratos doesn’t want Atreus to leave him. He just got his son back. So he’s going to try and keep him close while he still can
Hell no wren sought to save his homeland hiemdall was an arrogant bastard who didn’t know humility plus instead of walking away and insulting and great hint Kratos and his son he died by his own hand not Kratos
On replaying the game, it's kind of crazy how literally every scene has a bit of Odin's character leaked into it. It was honestly so brilliant to have "Tyr" portrayed as a useless coward, no one would suspect him for not helping the group at all
Real quick, I love that Atreus confides in Mimir as well, to make sure he didn't miss any points and to make sure it's the best course of action (with their knowledge).
1:06 Odin still tries to redirect them from the Mask by claiming that his alter ego is out for payback instead but Atreus almost exposes his lies unwittingly.
There’s a small clue that Tyr is Odin here. He mentioned the peace “deal”, but the only people that knew about it were Kratos, Atreus, mimir, Thor, and Odin.
Kratos did talk with "Tyr" off scene in some instance in the Treehouse, he could have tried to have him catch up with the situation at some point. I believe mentioning Odin's visit at their house and the pact he tried to make was important for him to mention in order to show how urgent the matter was.
Heimdall's death was not what they wanted. Kratos gave him Multiple chances to walk away. Kratos *NEVER* gives chances. Heimdall died cause he's a stubborn @$$hole.
Kratos always gave chances. Just go replay the old games. In almost every interaction he gives everyone a chance to get out of his way. He almost never starts the fights he gets into.
Atreus made Odin's death nearly painless, almost merciful (despite the battle leading to his defeat). Death at Kratos's hands, enraged at the death of his son? Odin would've been turned inside-out ass first.
Tyr: “OH YEAH Atreus go back to Asguard. GREAT IDEA. I mean…. I don’t have a dog in this fight, I just want you to be safe…. But going back to asguard GREAT. I mean yeah that’s the idea I like the best…… no reason.”
@@tommoore2012it makes sense for him to be about 6'4 though. He was initially a spartan warrior, being 8ft doesn't work with a phalanx. His size has worked great in this series too. He imposed over Baldur, which made his reveal more shocking. And even though thor towers over him, he still stands tall and that shows layers to kratos. Thor should intimidate him, but we as the audience knows he's killed mountain sized titans
Freyr: How in all the nine realms did you manage to kill Heimdall? Kratos: I simply asked him to jump onto my spear, it was quite easy. Freyr: ….no seriously how- Kratos: This is Tuesday for me, killing gods is pretty much a hobby
I’ll always love the way Santa Monica flips these mythological stories and beings from the stories they’re based on. Loki’s the trickster and honestly his plans are pretty clever, but I love how none of that matters because Odin is just that next level. He’s just always one more step ahead, and I love how Odin presents himself as this doddering old man. But as soon as he gets going he’s like a bad ass level 20 DnD wizard😂
The whole time I knew it was Odin and not Tyr because I heard him “slurp slurp gawk gawk gawk” about Odin every second like he didn’t even care heimdall was killed
@@SweatyYolk but considering that only Atreus was the only one who could decipher it, it’s definitely a reference to Loki’s mask (if such a thing is in the mythology)
I'd say Atreus never really did anything for Odin, he gave him the mask to complete which Atreus ends up robbing, sets free Gorm unto the nine relams and ends up domesticating. Then at the end threw the mask he spent his life finding into a rift. Honestly Atreus was a menace to odin plans. 😂😂
waaait a minute, in what point of the game did Tyr know Odin swore no more Aesir blood would not spill? i may of forgotten but someone help refresh me memory
When i fiest watched this cutscene, i always wondered how tf did Tyr know about the deal Odin proposed to Kratos. Kratos never said shit but I thought it was an oversight in tbe writting. Boy I was wrong.
throught out gow4 - ragnarok kratos was so close to becoming just like sindri and freya, two people afraid of losing their loved ones so much that they technically curse them because of their obsession that it ends up driving them away but kratos learned what he was doing was wrong and driving atreus away only, and so they found to trust each other even more, and grow closer than ever
I wish this game had multiple endings which includes what happens if Atreus chooses wrong and dons the completed mask. I imagine he'll lose his sense of self from being overwhelmed by the well of infinite knowledge then Odin uses that chance to put him under his binding spell, turning the boy into his answering machine.
Knowing that basically almost everyone in this scene acknowledge that they should not trust any Odin's word yet "Tyr" believe about peace that Odin's asking for is a really big hint.
Its sad to think, but to make it less confusing when seeing Tyr in remembering when its a real Tyr and the guise Odin is using as Tyr, all you have to remember is the real tyr came after Odin's disguised as Tyr killed Brok, So you only see the real Tyr after Brok is dead.
How da fuq did Tyr knew what Odin swore 'exactly'? I haven't played the game so probably i missed some conversation between Tyr and Atreus.... Or maybe it was just another hint of who this (Tyr) really was.
This was recommended to me and I've been trying hard to avoid spoilers until this game drops for PC. So if this is a BIG spoiler....up yours man. It's in the title.
@VindictiveCollective seriously. Last game released on PC after how long? Really trying to wait that long again with 0 exposure to the game? Not even mentioning recommendations are based on watch history, so they HAD to have already seen some GOWR content
Gives us a pair of eyes on the enemies inner sanctum has a whole new meaning later on spoiler . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This is a fake Tyr (The devs intentionally wrote it incorrectly here) its actually Odin. He's keeping an eye on them by pretending to be someone they trust. When you meet the real one later on his name is spelt correctly
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It's been 8 months, bro pls don't start Ragnarok
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Brok says “Let’s drink” then while completely silent, he delivers said drinks. A man of principle. A man of discipline, sheer willpower and the value of his word. We all need a Brok in our lives
He does it so willingly, so natural. Youre right.
Brok is love, Brok is life, and Brok is gone 😢
@@sentboumaster3436 Brok is love, Brok is life, be like Brok
@@sentboumaster3436Brok was life
Hold on this writing is fire
Odin didn't know about Atreus' secret escape spell because he and Sindri spoke outside the house at the time. That's why he slipped up in the next time he was Tyr because everything happened so fast.
He slips up a couple times in hindsight. He almost hits kratos and Atreus over the head a couple times with how obvious it is lol. But Odin did a tremendous job of picking and choosing his words very carefully while mimicking tyr. Even while playing Valhalla now and seeing how the real Tyr interacts, he’s really not that different from how Odin portrays him. Far less cowardly of course, but the mannerisms and the way he speaks is spot on the cadence is spot on.
@@SergioMendoza760 tbf it's called good writing, otherwise, if they made him too different than the game wouldn't make sense.
good observe , they intended to do that as hints
@@SergioMendoza760 Well the people around Kratos (the Dwarves, Mimir, Freya) surely spent a lot of time around Tyr in the past so it was a no brainer for a guy as clever and manipulative as Odin that he needs to mimic the real Tyr as genuine as he can
2:22 The irony of “Tyr” saying “Giving us a pair of eyes in the enemy’s inner sanctum” is perfect
Does he actually have pair of eyes so?
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н When you know the truth you will realize why
@@ГригорийГ-ч4нhave you played the game
@@ГригорийГ-ч4нmuninn has 2 eyes
"Odin swore peace"
The sheer *_ABSURDITY_* in just three words.
Odin under the guise of Try subtly encouraging Atreus to go back to Asgard was such great foreshadowing.
Shoutout to Brok. "Happy Ragnarok everybody! Let's drink!" RIP BROK.
Welp. HAPPY RAGNAROK EVERYBODY:D...
Let's drink:/.
That last line from Mimir made me think.
All this time he’s been telling stories about events he learned about, but rarely did he actually witness a story-worthy event in person until he met Kratos.
Now he probably has as many, if not more, stories than the ones he knew before meeting Kratos.
And they’re all from an eye-witness account, himself.
I don't think that's entirely true. Mimir was in Odin's court for Starkadr's discrediting and death, and was at least present for Hrimthur's invite to Asgard (may have got the name wrong, but the one that fell on Thor).
TBF, mimir can practically recount the rise of the previous greek God of War into the nordic God of Hope.
Kratos is him
Mimir also was apparently literally there for the story of Macbeth
I love how when Mimir said he doesn’t like Atreus going back to Asgard, Kratos almost turned around because someone agreed with him. But, as soon as Mimir said “but”, Kratos stopped because right then and there, he understood it’s their best shot no matter how much he hates it
Its so subtle, but you're right. It's funny, for gods they act so human
@@shibasarecute Well Kratos was once a mortal.
He can't disagree to "Smartest man alive"
He knows his brother loves Atreus as much as he does, so if he’s saying that it’s the best move, then it’s the best move.
Brok and Freyr holding up their drinks while Atreus walks away. Respect!
And they both died, maybe that's a subtle foreshadowing
@@brushtooth6636well Freyr died in the og Norse anyway cause of Surtr too I think but yeah
"Well, HAPPY RAGNOROK EVERYBODY!"
Brokk is incredible. I'll miss the dude so much
Tyr: "And give us a pair of eyes in the enemy's inner sanctum"
You'd know all about that, wouldn't you?
and he would have gotten away with having a pair too, if not for that meddling mask
i literally said those exact words when he said that lol
It's surreal watching these Tyr scenes after the fact. How he's trying to convince Kratos to let Atreus go back to Asgard.
I just realized. It’s not because Kratos thinks Atreus can’t do it. Kratos doesn’t want Atreus to leave him. He just got his son back. So he’s going to try and keep him close while he still can
And you know, worried his son might get killed cuz Heimdall’s dead.
@@matthewriley7826 And also Mimir's been screaming "he's dangerous and a liar" for about 15 hours by this point in the game.
@@jmerridew124 And he's been right.
@@jmerridew124 Not to mention the prophecy. He's partly worried that Atreus will betrayus.
Specially after what happened with Hrungnir, the last guy who helped Odin
Kratos: I tried to but Heimdall was being a suicidal idiot
is Heimdall secretly Eren Jaeger?
Hell no wren sought to save his homeland hiemdall was an arrogant bastard who didn’t know humility plus instead of walking away and insulting and great hint Kratos and his son he died by his own hand not Kratos
I have never met a character so determined to be killed by Kratos.
@@TheDirtiestJoeHercules
Most of the Greeks really. Kratos bullied Zeus in melee combat, yet everyone tries to get in his way anyway.@@TheSilentT12
Funny how Tyr was the first one to try to convince everyone of Atreus’s plan is a good idea.
On replaying the game, it's kind of crazy how literally every scene has a bit of Odin's character leaked into it. It was honestly so brilliant to have "Tyr" portrayed as a useless coward, no one would suspect him for not helping the group at all
“He’s at risk where he stands, Kratos.”
“And give us a pair of eyes in the enemy’s inner sanctum.”
Fake Tyr’s lines hit *so different* in hindsight
Odin was clearly having lots of fun
1:10 Freyr telling brock to keep it coming 😂
LMAO that completely went over my head 🤣 Freyr is such an underrated character
Real quick, I love that Atreus confides in Mimir as well, to make sure he didn't miss any points and to make sure it's the best course of action (with their knowledge).
1:06 Odin still tries to redirect them from the Mask by claiming that his alter ego is out for payback instead but Atreus almost exposes his lies unwittingly.
There’s a small clue that Tyr is Odin here. He mentioned the peace “deal”, but the only people that knew about it were Kratos, Atreus, mimir, Thor, and Odin.
Kratos did talk with "Tyr" off scene in some instance in the Treehouse, he could have tried to have him catch up with the situation at some point. I believe mentioning Odin's visit at their house and the pact he tried to make was important for him to mention in order to show how urgent the matter was.
If they were the only ones who knew about it, why didn’t Freya, Freyr, Brok or Sindri speak up about it either? Are they all in disguise too?
Watching knowing now when Tyr said “yet he honored it” about the deal Kratos refused….
Heimdall's death was not what they wanted. Kratos gave him Multiple chances to walk away. Kratos *NEVER* gives chances. Heimdall died cause he's a stubborn @$$hole.
Kratos always gave chances. Just go replay the old games. In almost every interaction he gives everyone a chance to get out of his way. He almost never starts the fights he gets into.
I mean he was brutal too, but more times than not he did warn people at least. Lol
@@Tyler_Owen23 Tell that to the innocent people he's slaughter
I want a standalone game that tells us a hypothetical "what if" of what if Atreus got killed by Odin.
Would probably yield a similar result like GOW 3. Kratos butchering almost everyone and everything.
Atreus made Odin's death nearly painless, almost merciful (despite the battle leading to his defeat).
Death at Kratos's hands, enraged at the death of his son? Odin would've been turned inside-out ass first.
"then everyone died..."
There... that's what would happen.
well thats easy
replace the entity ragnarok with kratos
*Ghost of Sparta plays*
“Yet he honored it”
He thinks he’s right so bad
Tyr: “OH YEAH Atreus go back to Asguard. GREAT IDEA. I mean…. I don’t have a dog in this fight, I just want you to be safe…. But going back to asguard GREAT. I mean yeah that’s the idea I like the best…… no reason.”
It's sad that only Freyr and Brok were enjoying the drinks. They alway act so positive and supportive, goodbye our heroes
in the previous games, you cant really see how massive Kratos is... thats no man, he's a mountain...
He was above 8 feet now he is 6'4
@@maximus-go1um a good change imo. 8 feet is tyr levels of height. 6’4 is tall but not crazy tall
I think his canonical height is still over 8ft. Unless Cory Balrog or someone else said otherwise.
@@tommoore2012it makes sense for him to be about 6'4 though. He was initially a spartan warrior, being 8ft doesn't work with a phalanx.
His size has worked great in this series too. He imposed over Baldur, which made his reveal more shocking. And even though thor towers over him, he still stands tall and that shows layers to kratos. Thor should intimidate him, but we as the audience knows he's killed mountain sized titans
@@tommoore2012 My head canon is that after he lost part of his powers, he shrunk.
Freyr: How in all the nine realms did you manage to kill Heimdall?
Kratos: I simply asked him to jump onto my spear, it was quite easy.
Freyr: ….no seriously how-
Kratos: This is Tuesday for me, killing gods is pretty much a hobby
Freyr: ahhh...
Kratos: don't get into my bad side and we are good, for now
They are almost constantly keeping "Tyr" in the dark. Dang the foreshadowing in this game is top notch.
Brock yelling way too loud behind Freya and Freyr is just one of countless brilliant comedic moments in this game.
I’ll always love the way Santa Monica flips these mythological stories and beings from the stories they’re based on. Loki’s the trickster and honestly his plans are pretty clever, but I love how none of that matters because Odin is just that next level. He’s just always one more step ahead, and I love how Odin presents himself as this doddering old man. But as soon as he gets going he’s like a bad ass level 20 DnD wizard😂
His Int and Wis stats are so high he can loop around to fake being senile. It's glorious, honestly.
What impresses me most is that Odin is able to hide his anger and frustration pretty damm well while disguised as Týr
SPOILER WARNING
i love the fact that Tyr (Odin) backed up atreus on him going back to Asgard because he truly did want the mask to be completed.
tyr knowing the deal shoulda been the biggest giveaway. there is NO reason "tyr" coulda known odin even talked about that.
The whole time I knew it was Odin and not Tyr because I heard him “slurp slurp gawk gawk gawk” about Odin every second like he didn’t even care heimdall was killed
Brok and Freyr just raising their cups to him is the dudeliest thing.
BTW it's the same mask as Jim Carrey movie Mask in the lore.
That’s just a fan theory. The devs never said what the mask is or where it came from and what it does
@@SweatyYolk but considering that only Atreus was the only one who could decipher it, it’s definitely a reference to Loki’s mask (if such a thing is in the mythology)
0:16 me: it was easy lol
Odin played atreus like a fool 😮
Not just Atreus
I'd say Atreus never really did anything for Odin, he gave him the mask to complete which Atreus ends up robbing, sets free Gorm unto the nine relams and ends up domesticating.
Then at the end threw the mask he spent his life finding into a rift.
Honestly Atreus was a menace to odin plans. 😂😂
@@TheAzuregreenNot a menace, just Mischievous
@@no1z1bo1like a little Trickster as Odin once said.
@@5p33dy305his name is Loki after all
i thought the horn in the thumbnail was a fish and everyone was about to complain about kratos and his fishing skills 😂
Happy Ragnarok guys!
Atreus: "Odin trusts me."
""Tyr"" : See that's where your wrong buddy boy
That stare that kratos gives tyr after he backs up atreus would burn thru the coldest levels of helheim
Im guessing this dude like to spam runic by the looks of its armor.
Odin was a bit saddened by Heimdall death.
odin tried so hard to be Palpatine in this game but couldn't keep his cool to seal the deal
Rip brok 😢
Kratos's armor reminds me of warhammer 40k
waaait a minute, in what point of the game did Tyr know Odin swore no more Aesir blood would not spill?
i may of forgotten but someone help refresh me memory
It's foreshadowing
Cause hes odin
ok i realised how dumb the question sounds, but i gusss it adds to overlooked suspicions
That’s the thing. He couldn’t have known about it since Týr WASN’T THERE for it.
@luisalvarado754
Kratos told all of them that Odin made a peace offering. So it's something they would have talked about around fake Tyr.
"and give us some eyes in the enemy's inner sanctum"
The two people who silently cheered for Atreus with their mugs are also the ones who would die at the end.
Aesir : Stop killing us even though we keep starting the fights and trying to kill you!
Kratos: No
3:12 🍻 *CHEERS TO ATREUS!*
When i fiest watched this cutscene, i always wondered how tf did Tyr know about the deal Odin proposed to Kratos. Kratos never said shit but I thought it was an oversight in tbe writting. Boy I was wrong.
throught out gow4 - ragnarok
kratos was so close to becoming just like sindri and freya, two people afraid of losing their loved ones so much that they technically curse them because of their obsession that it ends up driving them away
but kratos learned what he was doing was wrong and driving atreus away only, and so they found to trust each other even more, and grow closer than ever
2:57 🥹 hooo, this is cute!
:56 tyr sounds like odin 🤣🤣
Heimdall death was to easy and not very spectacular. He was supposed to be unbeatable but then gets defeated in just one fight.
thats what happens when someone is so dependent on one skill that they dont get any backups if that one skill became useless
This god underestimated the guy Odin, the person he is entirely devoted to, calls “god killer”, can’t survive if you’re stupid
He’s supposed to be the most unbeatable in all of the nine realms.
Kratos isn’t from the nine realms.
There’s your answer.
@@brandenmarcum430well technically he is just far from where the locals would call Midgard
@@brandenmarcum430Kratos only won cuz he has Drapnir. If he didn’t have the spear then Heimdall would’ve played him like a fiddle
I wish this game had multiple endings which includes what happens if Atreus chooses wrong and dons the completed mask. I imagine he'll lose his sense of self from being overwhelmed by the well of infinite knowledge then Odin uses that chance to put him under his binding spell, turning the boy into his answering machine.
Mankind needs salvation
Its never enough
Happy Ragnarök everyone!
If it was the real Tyr he would’ve said let’s get him.
Knowing that basically almost everyone in this scene acknowledge that they should not trust any Odin's word yet "Tyr" believe about peace that Odin's asking for is a really big hint.
Press 1. You're welcome.
thankyou brother. Happy ragnarock to you as well.
Tyr was such a soy but I was pretty satisfied that it all made sense
2:23
Its sad to think, but to make it less confusing when seeing Tyr in remembering when its a real Tyr and the guise Odin is using as Tyr, all you have to remember is the real tyr came after Odin's disguised as Tyr killed Brok, So you only see the real Tyr after Brok is dead.
I had a fucking stroke reading this, dear god.
@@sanfordrussell8549LOL SAME, all of that to say “Tyr is odin in disguise until postgame”
HAPPY RAGNAROK 😊
How da fuq did Tyr knew what Odin swore 'exactly'? I haven't played the game so probably i missed some conversation between Tyr and Atreus....
Or maybe it was just another hint of who this (Tyr) really was.
I love brok
After playing Valhalla, i am absalutely disgusted on how odin potrays the badass that is tyr
This was recommended to me and I've been trying hard to avoid spoilers until this game drops for PC. So if this is a BIG spoiler....up yours man. It's in the title.
End result of a boss fight, dont read the rest of these comments. They're completely filled with major spoilers from the story.
@@hiaimrandom4629 Thanks
The game dropped months ago, spoilers are on you at this point
@VindictiveCollective seriously. Last game released on PC after how long? Really trying to wait that long again with 0 exposure to the game? Not even mentioning recommendations are based on watch history, so they HAD to have already seen some GOWR content
@@RatKingCerf There are unwritten rules about sharing these things, man. You don't put spoilers in the title.
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This is a fake Tyr (The devs intentionally wrote it incorrectly here) its actually Odin. He's keeping an eye on them by pretending to be someone they trust. When you meet the real one later on his name is spelt correctly
Seems too obvious to me I’m surprised they didn’t know that that Oden was impersonating tyr
I mean, it’s pretty obvious that he’s trying to manipulate the situation
Kratos could’ve took over Asgard if he really wanted too
God, looking back at this Tyr was such a Odin’s dickrider man
Lol
Hard to watch, knowing what I know
Tyr: yep i trust you boy😂