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feel like this was just an ad with a lil bit of lore content, same as the last video first 2 min "here's an ad that has nothing to do with the video that takes up a good chunk of time" at least put that shit at the end
@@HWilson98 hey, man's been making lore vids for like 5 or 10 years now? And the recent 'thing' with the lion and... ocd guy who's name I can't spell happened like over a year ago? Give the bastard a break. Hard to stay original after That many videos. Not to say the content wasn't shit filler though, it was lol just not his fault. Shit on him if he does that with fresh content available in 40k
And what makes the Iron Warriors so dangerous, is not only did they retain their dicplin and command structure, but from what I understand they're the only Traitor Legion that has bothered to maintain and impove upon their logistics as well. Even now they're still able to replace their loses at a rate on par to how they could during the Great Crusade. The Black Legion themselves are known to petition and make bargains with the Iron Warriors for major logistical aid at times. From stealing Gene Seed in real space, to supplying the Black Legion with new war gear and Demon Engins for their wars - something that the other Traitor Legions lack the recources to do like the Iron Warriors can.
The Iron Warriors are at such a strong position they work as mercinaries, you don't command them, you buy their service, which they can discontinue at any point if they feel you're pushing it. They also have full autonomy while being in service to someone, so once you buy their service you still don't command them, you give them a task and they complete it their way.
Here are some ideas for consideration: What if every Astartes Legion staged a coup on the Emperor and took over the Imperium? How would they rule it and how successful would it be, compared to the canon Imperium? (this is all legions on the same side with minimal Chaos influence on events) What if 2 Primarchs held the Warmaster position cooperatively, under the assumption that those who would take issue at one Warmaster would respect the other one more and they could thus overall be more productive? Which nonhuman species would be the best fit for Chaos to take over and attain galactic dominance? If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors? What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes? What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium? What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged? How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire? What if one of the Primarchs landed on a xenos world and was raised by them? What if the Eldar managed to kill Angron before he was enslaved? What if another power rose to power during M31 instead of the Imperium, such as the Ullanor Orks, the Rangdan, or the Necrons via the Silent King returning early? What if the Beast Orks grew to threaten the Imperium before the Heresy could happen? What if the Tyranids arrived in M31, before the Heresy could happen? What if all of the Perpetuals stayed loyal to the Emperor and led the Great Crusade?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged? All the countermeasures created for when the I, VI, XIII legions arrived or even a suicidal attack by the sons of the Gorgon as revenge but this surpasses him to avoid a war on 2 fronts, a war that not even he with all the gifts of the gods of chaos at his mercy could win Horus knows that he has no more time, he will only have to attack the golden throne with all his forces "fix the teleportation to the door of eternity" "but father we have not yet managed to conquer the door. Sanguinius has killed Angron and his sons have entered a murderous rage that distinguishes us between allies and enemies" answers one of his sons anguished "do as I say" Horus prepares to strike the blow that will end his father's empire
I don't think the Legiones Astartes would have been able to maintain unity even if they got rid of the Emperor. Assuming they turn him into a giant battery and use him in much the same way the current Imperium does, the Primarchs were simply too divided and hated eachother too much to actually maintain a galaxy-spanning empire for long. After a few hundred, a few thousand years, there'd be breakaway empires run by individual Primarchs, perpetually at war with eachother.
I think about this scenario way more than would be healthy. I think Angron didn't really consider victory an option, simply decided that dying while fighting off the oppressor is better than being a slave. If the Emperor just annihilated the threat for Angron, it would be similar to Mortarion's situation, and thus Angron would resent Emps. However, if the Emperor gave the rebellion weapons and they actually succeeded, Angron's philosophy would sort of need a reset. His main goal in life was hurting the High Riders as much as possible before they kill him. Actually succeeding in overthrowing them would leave him asking "What now? I didn't think I would get this far" and so he would be very susceptible to Emperor's offer of recruitment. I think a being as intelligent as Emps could come up with arguments like "You faced unimaginable odds, simply wanting to die fighting your oppressor. Look what you managed to achieve instead. I can promise you, a death you desire is still your fate, but the oppressor you shall face will be much more vile than the High Riders. Before that, there's countless planets awaiting for you to free them from similar oppressors." I think Angron would accept that, even if begrudgingly. The World Eaters would operate a bit differently, perhaps focusing more on sacrifice for the righteous goal. Angron himself could potentially see his existence with the Nails embedded as a sacrifice he's constantly making, as he is still needed to better the state of the galaxy. He was promised a meaningful death fighting a particularly dire oppressor, and he awaits it impatiently. I think it would be extremely satisfying for Angron to die at Istvaan V as a loyalist, causing absolute carnage on the battlefield, his Nails already soon to finish him off. He kills hundreds upon hundreds of Traitors, until Horus himself teleports in to face him, pummelling him like a mad dog. Angron sees the other Shattered Legions escaping thanks to the carnage he caused with the XIIth, and understands Horus to be the oppressor destined to slay him. As they duel, Angron thinks back to Nuceria, to his gladiatorial brothers and sisters, he thinks of his Legion and feels at peace with his fate. He is slain by Horus, but manages to wound him as well. Bonus point of order: Ferrus Manus, although pissed at Fulgrim, sees Angron charge into the fray first, and decides "nah, if Angron does it, it's too reckless", which allows the Iron Hands to actually have some interesting plot development lmao
It depends- if the "help" comes at Angron's last stand against the slavers, we would have a timeline with him dying in peace and his legion could end up as loyalist. If we want to make it interesting, the "help" should arrive before he gets the nails so we can have a healthy Angron to rise up to his full potential.
@@jakubgodlewski9104I like to think that had the butchers nails not been implanted he became the Empath primarch he was meant to be. The emperor aids as opposed to left his people to die and that this inclines Angron more to fight for the Imperium. Wild that he was an empath that could take others suffering, but on a Primarch level. He is summoned to save Horus when he is stabbed by the Kinebrach Anathame. He does so and then it would diverge into many potential points. 1. He saves Horus but it's too late, chaos have corrupted and convinced him to turn traitor. Angron sensing this due to his immense empath ability, whilst empathising, tries to talk him down and becomes the first casualty in the heresy 2. He reaches and saves Horus and due to his empath ability understands and agrees with Horus. Then uses his empath abilities to turn other Primarchs to the heresy 3. He arrives too late, senses what's about to happen and knowing Horus is super juiced on chaos love sauce, is able to slip away and warn everyone earlier. I do like your point about him viewing Horus as another oppressor and being one to have more of a dog in the fight so to speak.
Angerboy is the most pathetic. He should have killed old dude; but he was too much of a p@ssy, and got the nails and had to do it anyway. If each primark is an aspect of the emperor, angron was his vagina.
@jakubgodlewski9104 He wasnt mad because he wasn’t allowed to die but instead he was furious that the emps let all of his friends die and took him without permission(which is fair. Pretty shtty dad). If he didn’t just blast them from orbit but instead joined the fight and won together with Angron, Angron probably would be insanely grateful but still would hate him in time since serving him in his army is basically the same as being the gladiator and a slave
In the Word Bearers Omnibus, it's said that the Black Legion is *ten times* larger than the Word Bearers! This was before the 13th Crusade though, and from an older novel at that. So I'm not sure how well this figure holds up today. It's still a lot though!
which is bonkers considering the Word Bearers were the second largest legion in the heresy an didn't really take too many loses, I'd say they're around 100k atm
@@lokensicarius9347 @lokensicarius9347 A 100k legion? Fighting a galactic war? Make it 10m, thus with 100m for Black Legion and bump up Imperial forces. There HAS to be about / more than quadrillion (1,000,000,000,000,000) Guardsmen in a f***ing GALAXY-scale conflict!
What I find interesting about the world eaters is in the book Angron the red angel(I think that's the title), tens of thousands of them gathered to fight with Angron,but the book described it as so many marines in different shades of armour who were world eaters at heart .
The recent Alpha Legion novel and GW recent annoucenent hint that the Alpha Legion is slowly uniting under the Harrow Master. The new united Alpha Legion may not have the number to match the Iron Warriors nor the Word Bearer, but they likely having more access and resources for the subterfuge.
Just listened to that book Monday (harrow master) if I recall at the end they say that the alpha legion has chapter numbers but has other cool stuff like a few titians. But this is only in the segmentum ultima it's unclear what the alpha legion numbers look like in the other segments
Not really a fan of Harrowmaster Solomon. He's just a bit lacking in the intrigue and insane deceptions that the old Alpha Legion was famous for. Hope that Omegon comes back sooner rather than later.
Hi majorkill, I love all of your vids. Been watching you for a long time. You made me love 40k. Helped me understand it, and helped convince me to go down the crazy path of tackling the books lol 😂 thank you for all that you do!! Keep at it brother. Much love.
DAY 92: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.
actually the traitor half of the alpha legion had a big moment recently a member of them found alpharius,s spear and reunitet a lot of them so they are more dangerus than ever. i think the book was called Harrowmaster or somthing.
This take on the Alpha Legion is my favorite and I think you're the first youtuber who shares my idea on what they're actually doing, very divided with loyalist and traitor elements.
1. Black Legion (overwelming numbers, said to be 10x the size of the Word Bearers who are likely the second largest legion.) 2. Word Bearers (second largest legion with a living daemon primarch. They're also extremely united and organized.) 3. Deathguard (very united, still a huge fighting force, and a living primarch.) 4. Iron Warriors (not very united and have lower numbers compared to top 3, but are very efficient and have a living primarch.)
Hmm, the emperor children's are growing in numbers lately, and Fulgrim is not far behind at all. I wonder what GW plans for the Fulgrim and emperor children to do in the settings?
Considering that EC is about to get their own codex in the very near future, I feel it's safe to say that they're about to have some kind of big impact to the setting.
The real reason the Alpha Legion under Omegon are so scarce is bc he's trying to come up with a cool name. He's probably a bit disappointed somebody already rocked up with the Omega Marines (unless that's just his side hustle).
I know I've been told it wouldn't work, but I still think a video about 'What if one of the Chaos gods turned good' would do well. I want Majorkill to hype up the niche fan theory that Ceogorach's ultimate plan/meme is to trick slanesh into becoming the Eldars greatest hope.
There was an equally powerful, if not large, force that didn't turn to the curse. Scions, Sisters, etc. All the Elites and Zealots, basically. Once Angron was gone they, and the DA with the Lion, mopped up pretty easily one would assume... or they called MORE Grey Knights and Inquisition forces to do so before moving on. Abbadon himself told that arch-daemon that Angron was the ONLY factor that would carry the day, and they went knowing they didn't have the supply lines, nor the forces, nor the element of surprise - nor much of a plan at all, beyond Angron merely existing.
Some of my ideas for video What if Abaddon died during the Siege of Terra? Worst thing each Primarch has done. What if Lorgar became a new Warmaster during Heresy?
One thing I noticed, or thought about. How the Death Guard for example, are very durable, but from the POV of other Astartes, they are very slow. Not that slow, but well slow enough for another Astarte. That these corruption long term might just be hindrances, not help.
Quoth TV Tropes. "Unlike other Chaos Space Marines, the Iron Warriors don't use psykers, Chaos magic, daemons or such other Warp trickery as part of their arsenal, nor do they possess heavy mutations that could give them an edge over Loyalist Space Marines (they indeed make it a point to replace mutations with cybernetics so as to stay as physically uncorrupted as is possible for a servant of Chaos). Instead, they fight strictly with strategy and rather standard equipment at the level of Loyalist Space Marines. Despite (or perhaps even because of) this fact, the Iron Warriors are arguably the most dreaded and feared of the Traitor Legions, since they don't need such tricks, instead just being so coldly efficient, strategically brilliant, thoroughly destructive and obscenely brutal against their enemies that the forces of the Imperium would rather face any of the other forces of Chaos before they ever did them. The Iron Warriors are just really fucking good at morale-destroying wholesale slaughter." And another passage states. "The first rule of siege warfare is "whatever works, works" and the Iron Warriors have taken this to heart. Infiltration, cannon fodder, secret passages, tunnels, taking advantage of traitors, and bringing in the big guns whenever they can are just a few of the myriad unpleasant ways the Iron Warriors will crack open a fortress and kill everyone inside." Not to mention, the Iron Warriors also make use of (horrifying) but effective technology, probably from Vashtorr's influence.
It’s also worth noting that as long as goatvus goatrax is in the corner of the warp watching lorgar, the word bearers probably won’t be united anytime soon
From Iron, cometh Strength. From Strength, cometh Will. From Will, cometh Faith. From Faith, cometh Honour. From Honour, cometh Iron. This is the Unbreakable Litany, and may it forever be so
9:07 To that end, I'm curious how you think Abaddon would actually hold up against a Primarch in combat. Obviously against the Lion or Corvus, he'd get absolutely *bodied,* but what about Guilliman? Do you think Abaddon would even have a chance of winning, or of even surviving more than a few seconds?
Prolly not. There have been many instances where the movements of a Primarch were so fast, that they looked instant to space marines. Granted, Abbadon has defeated an imperfect clone of Horus, but since it has no soul it was a massive pushover. So unless Abbadon get a shitton of buffs from all chaos gods he shouldn't survive. Maybe will hold for a little but, but no chance if win in a 1v1
So glad to see this upload schedule. I've been here since the autistic hedgehog days. I was there when the first Warhammer lore video was written. I'll be here for the lore video that marks a million subs. Youve been in the backdrop of YEARS of my life majorkill your videos have been with me through the brightest and darkest days. Thanks for each and every one of them sir.
Thousand sons also brought an entire planet from the warp into real space and are building a psychic empire. As far as numbers, didn’t they just create a bunch of robot daemon engines out of the old heresy battle automaton?
Won’t be surprised if the Emperors Children vault up to top 3 soon. Return of Fulgrim and Eidolon along with Fabius Bile acquiring a bunch of EC gene seed and the knowledge to make or even improve upon primaris marines. Spicey times are coming
Iron Warriors are my favourite traitors, just bellow would Black legion and Death Guard, all three were amazing pre and post heresy mainly because they actually work together to get the job done. Even when they fail it's not because they were fighting, it's either over confidence causing them to mess up or plot armour from their opponents!
I still think the coolest villain they could bring to the setting would be Lorgar who in an attempt to resurrect Horus in his prime state accidentally got himself possessed by the spirits of Konrad Curze. You would have a twin Primarch soul that hot swaps between the calm preacher and the violent lunatic, much like the Gal Vorbak, who would be too powerful for any one Primarch and could command the forces of two chaos legions.
Ave Dominus Nox, u have to read/listen to the new Morvenn Vahl Book, the Antagonist is a Night Lord by the Name Kol Rakhul the Death of Saints. He launched an fullout attack on Ophelia VII. Maybe its a good sign that Night Lords are coming back and Decimus is also out there gathering the Legion.
This video just confirms my theory that instead of whole legions in a great crusade, Each expeditionary fleet should have been task force of 1 company from each legion
hey majorkill, omegon actually very well might have made an appearance in one of the new novels. bequin novel i think. he's bumming around with eisenhorn and told an inquisitorial acolyte when asked who he really is "i am alpharius" which he did take up the name alpharius omegon after alpharius was killed by dorn.
From a leadership sense, it would be Imotekh, since he is the most competent and skilled Necron military officer currently active and is in charge of the largest and most successful galactic-native Necron Empire, that being the Sautekh and their vassals. Additionally, Imotekh knows how to use the Necrontyr honor codes to turn other Necrons lords to his side. In terms of pure physical power, then it would be Ahmontekh, who was stated to have been so powerful that he fought directly at the side of the C'tan during the War in Heaven, killed at least one Eldar god in personal combat (the kind that were meant to stand to to toe against unbroken C'tan) and who could break apart an entire planet with a single hit of his scythe. He's currently kept in stasis though, since he malded so hard against a rival dynasty that when he was awakened in the current era due to his tomb world (which is dimensionally hidden inside of a star) receiving a distress call from that same rival dynasty, his rage overwhelmed a good portion of the tomb world's network and destroyed a bunch of other Necrons and tech.
Death Guard I feel should be the largest. Following Nurgle means chaotic recruits do not need to worry about organ rejection from gene seed inplantation.
If they release a demon primarch Pertuabo it will fir surr be the first model i even buy. (I missed out of the Massive Big E model you did ny like 2 days because paycheck got held up.)
If i remember correctly, since the rift happened, the IW have made something like a empire (ultramar sized) in a part of the galaxy. Chaos and loyalists are not ready...💀
He wouldn’t, him implanting the nails in himself and the other world eaters was his idea. No want from Kharn for butcher nails, no butchers nails innovation to create their own for space marines, thus no nailed space marines.
@@petrrozsival8554 Eeeeeeeee... The guy was already knocked out by his son's during the said rebellion without Kharn backing them up, so I'm pretty sure they'll be able to do the exact same thing they already did with the help of the strongest space marine world eater by their side.
Side note about the sons of Horus There now Thrice Cursed Traitors while a few handfuls of warbands they do still exist The true sons are the best example so they're not entirely gone
What about red corsairs? If I'm not mistaken their numbers are second largest and recruitment is not an issue. Also Huron despite being a little crippled is still a great leader and could potentially rival abandon in the right circumstances.
Currently listening to Fulgrim (the book in Horus Heresy series, not the pervert Primarch), Isstvan 5 battle happening now but IDK when it hits the fan for the loyalists.
I don't agree with the World eaters. They have a very efficient recruit system with the flesh-vats. Where they throw in normal warriors and out comrs a berzerker.
Maybe it’s relevant maybe it isn’t but Alpha legion has recently acquired Primaris technology so who knows when and how they will employ this resource.
As much as how far the Black Legion have gone, and Abadon pumping more gear, the last thing the Imperium needs is the Imperial Fist equivalent of Chaos getting unified and stronger. Also Lorgar still smells of "true antagonist" smell, and I think even they could pose a bigger threat than the Black Legion.
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Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
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Angron the Red Angel confirms Khorne provides new Marines and Ammo to the World Eaters Post-Heresy!!!
7:37 What happned to timmy BTW? always wondered why he's absent? Did he die from malnourishment in your basement?
feel like this was just an ad with a lil bit of lore content, same as the last video first 2 min "here's an ad that has nothing to do with the video that takes up a good chunk of time" at least put that shit at the end
@@HWilson98 hey, man's been making lore vids for like 5 or 10 years now? And the recent 'thing' with the lion and... ocd guy who's name I can't spell happened like over a year ago? Give the bastard a break. Hard to stay original after That many videos. Not to say the content wasn't shit filler though, it was lol just not his fault. Shit on him if he does that with fresh content available in 40k
And what makes the Iron Warriors so dangerous, is not only did they retain their dicplin and command structure, but from what I understand they're the only Traitor Legion that has bothered to maintain and impove upon their logistics as well. Even now they're still able to replace their loses at a rate on par to how they could during the Great Crusade.
The Black Legion themselves are known to petition and make bargains with the Iron Warriors for major logistical aid at times. From stealing Gene Seed in real space, to supplying the Black Legion with new war gear and Demon Engins for their wars - something that the other Traitor Legions lack the recources to do like the Iron Warriors can.
Word bearers also have a steady supply of logistics, though this comes from having their own forge worlds rather than making it themselves
Even 10 thousand years after the heresy, the Iron Warriors are still carrying the Traitor Legions.
The Iron Warriors are at such a strong position they work as mercinaries, you don't command them, you buy their service, which they can discontinue at any point if they feel you're pushing it.
They also have full autonomy while being in service to someone, so once you buy their service you still don't command them, you give them a task and they complete it their way.
@@NyghtkingSo they fulfilled what they want since the Great Crusade Era. Unionization.
@@littlejohn8435 I'd say the Iron Warriors came out of the Horus Heresy better and stronger than they were during the Great Crusade.
Perterabo better be planning something, or else the writters really fucked up
My boy Perty is cool af.
I hope they have a good plan for him when he returns in force
He has been playing Chess for 41,000 years to prepare for his championship match with Hanzo. Hansou? His psycho son
Lol 😂other chaos beg peterabo for help
Now THIS is chaos content.
Shall we call the inquisition?
@@winterknight4307 Perhaps. Time will tell.
@@winterknight4307 inquisition needs to come around to study it, information is king
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Iron within, iron without! They dont beg "gods" for scraps of power, they cram them into batteries and take it!
- I HATE ALL YOUR MERE EXISTENCE!
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!
IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT
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Here are some ideas for consideration:
What if every Astartes Legion staged a coup on the Emperor and took over the Imperium? How would they rule it and how successful would it be, compared to the canon Imperium? (this is all legions on the same side with minimal Chaos influence on events)
What if 2 Primarchs held the Warmaster position cooperatively, under the assumption that those who would take issue at one Warmaster would respect the other one more and they could thus overall be more productive?
Which nonhuman species would be the best fit for Chaos to take over and attain galactic dominance?
If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors?
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes?
What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire?
What if one of the Primarchs landed on a xenos world and was raised by them?
What if the Eldar managed to kill Angron before he was enslaved?
What if another power rose to power during M31 instead of the Imperium, such as the Ullanor Orks, the Rangdan, or the Necrons via the Silent King returning early?
What if the Beast Orks grew to threaten the Imperium before the Heresy could happen?
What if the Tyranids arrived in M31, before the Heresy could happen?
What if all of the Perpetuals stayed loyal to the Emperor and led the Great Crusade?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
All the countermeasures created for when the I, VI, XIII legions arrived or even a suicidal attack by the sons of the Gorgon as revenge but this surpasses him to avoid a war on 2 fronts, a war that not even he with all the gifts of the gods of chaos at his mercy could win
Horus knows that he has no more time, he will only have to attack the golden throne with all his forces
"fix the teleportation to the door of eternity"
"but father we have not yet managed to conquer the door. Sanguinius has killed Angron and his sons have entered a murderous rage that distinguishes us between allies and enemies" answers one of his sons anguished
"do as I say"
Horus prepares to strike the blow that will end his father's empire
I don't think the Legiones Astartes would have been able to maintain unity even if they got rid of the Emperor. Assuming they turn him into a giant battery and use him in much the same way the current Imperium does, the Primarchs were simply too divided and hated eachother too much to actually maintain a galaxy-spanning empire for long. After a few hundred, a few thousand years, there'd be breakaway empires run by individual Primarchs, perpetually at war with eachother.
He did make a video sorta like this . A reverse heresy basically
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I think about this scenario way more than would be healthy.
I think Angron didn't really consider victory an option, simply decided that dying while fighting off the oppressor is better than being a slave. If the Emperor just annihilated the threat for Angron, it would be similar to Mortarion's situation, and thus Angron would resent Emps. However, if the Emperor gave the rebellion weapons and they actually succeeded, Angron's philosophy would sort of need a reset. His main goal in life was hurting the High Riders as much as possible before they kill him. Actually succeeding in overthrowing them would leave him asking "What now? I didn't think I would get this far" and so he would be very susceptible to Emperor's offer of recruitment. I think a being as intelligent as Emps could come up with arguments like "You faced unimaginable odds, simply wanting to die fighting your oppressor. Look what you managed to achieve instead. I can promise you, a death you desire is still your fate, but the oppressor you shall face will be much more vile than the High Riders. Before that, there's countless planets awaiting for you to free them from similar oppressors." I think Angron would accept that, even if begrudgingly.
The World Eaters would operate a bit differently, perhaps focusing more on sacrifice for the righteous goal. Angron himself could potentially see his existence with the Nails embedded as a sacrifice he's constantly making, as he is still needed to better the state of the galaxy. He was promised a meaningful death fighting a particularly dire oppressor, and he awaits it impatiently.
I think it would be extremely satisfying for Angron to die at Istvaan V as a loyalist, causing absolute carnage on the battlefield, his Nails already soon to finish him off. He kills hundreds upon hundreds of Traitors, until Horus himself teleports in to face him, pummelling him like a mad dog. Angron sees the other Shattered Legions escaping thanks to the carnage he caused with the XIIth, and understands Horus to be the oppressor destined to slay him. As they duel, Angron thinks back to Nuceria, to his gladiatorial brothers and sisters, he thinks of his Legion and feels at peace with his fate. He is slain by Horus, but manages to wound him as well.
Bonus point of order: Ferrus Manus, although pissed at Fulgrim, sees Angron charge into the fray first, and decides "nah, if Angron does it, it's too reckless", which allows the Iron Hands to actually have some interesting plot development lmao
It depends- if the "help" comes at Angron's last stand against the slavers, we would have a timeline with him dying in peace and his legion could end up as loyalist. If we want to make it interesting, the "help" should arrive before he gets the nails so we can have a healthy Angron to rise up to his full potential.
@@jakubgodlewski9104I like to think that had the butchers nails not been implanted he became the Empath primarch he was meant to be.
The emperor aids as opposed to left his people to die and that this inclines Angron more to fight for the Imperium.
Wild that he was an empath that could take others suffering, but on a Primarch level.
He is summoned to save Horus when he is stabbed by the Kinebrach Anathame. He does so and then it would diverge into many potential points.
1. He saves Horus but it's too late, chaos have corrupted and convinced him to turn traitor. Angron sensing this due to his immense empath ability, whilst empathising, tries to talk him down and becomes the first casualty in the heresy
2. He reaches and saves Horus and due to his empath ability understands and agrees with Horus. Then uses his empath abilities to turn other Primarchs to the heresy
3. He arrives too late, senses what's about to happen and knowing Horus is super juiced on chaos love sauce, is able to slip away and warn everyone earlier.
I do like your point about him viewing Horus as another oppressor and being one to have more of a dog in the fight so to speak.
Angerboy is the most pathetic. He should have killed old dude; but he was too much of a p@ssy, and got the nails and had to do it anyway. If each primark is an aspect of the emperor, angron was his vagina.
@jakubgodlewski9104 He wasnt mad because he wasn’t allowed to die but instead he was furious that the emps let all of his friends die and took him without permission(which is fair. Pretty shtty dad). If he didn’t just blast them from orbit but instead joined the fight and won together with Angron, Angron probably would be insanely grateful but still would hate him in time since serving him in his army is basically the same as being the gladiator and a slave
In the Word Bearers Omnibus, it's said that the Black Legion is *ten times* larger than the Word Bearers!
This was before the 13th Crusade though, and from an older novel at that. So I'm not sure how well this figure holds up today.
It's still a lot though!
GW can't into numbers
which is bonkers considering the Word Bearers were the second largest legion in the heresy an didn't really take too many loses, I'd say they're around 100k atm
@@lokensicarius9347tbf the black legion is on a constant recruitment drive
@@lokensicarius9347 @lokensicarius9347 A 100k legion? Fighting a galactic war?
Make it 10m, thus with 100m for Black Legion and bump up Imperial forces. There HAS to be about / more than quadrillion (1,000,000,000,000,000) Guardsmen in a f***ing GALAXY-scale conflict!
What I find interesting about the world eaters is in the book Angron the red angel(I think that's the title), tens of thousands of them gathered to fight with Angron,but the book described it as so many marines in different shades of armour who were world eaters at heart .
The recent Alpha Legion novel and GW recent annoucenent hint that the Alpha Legion is slowly uniting under the Harrow Master. The new united Alpha Legion may not have the number to match the Iron Warriors nor the Word Bearer, but they likely having more access and resources for the subterfuge.
Just listened to that book Monday (harrow master) if I recall at the end they say that the alpha legion has chapter numbers but has other cool stuff like a few titians. But this is only in the segmentum ultima it's unclear what the alpha legion numbers look like in the other segments
@willyschwerin don't forget the spear.
Not really a fan of Harrowmaster Solomon. He's just a bit lacking in the intrigue and insane deceptions that the old Alpha Legion was famous for. Hope that Omegon comes back sooner rather than later.
Hi majorkill, I love all of your vids. Been watching you for a long time. You made me love 40k. Helped me understand it, and helped convince me to go down the crazy path of tackling the books lol 😂 thank you for all that you do!! Keep at it brother. Much love.
Yeah! This bastard is my sleep-medicine along with Wes. Cheers Big dogs
7:35 What I learned from this video is that Corvus Corax is hard countering the entire Word Bearers Legion by himself 😂
"Never more (will the word bearers ever be a problem)."
- Corvus Corax, around 020 M31
That isn't lore accurate.
I mean, everyone is entitled to their headcannons so...
@@Kristian.B.KristiansenAlright, Buzzkillington
@@clint-thenormalguy-rockwell365 Lore accuracy is important to me. You knew it was a joke, but many doesn't.
Well the emperor's children section aged well now fulgrims back
finally Warsmith Honsou getting some respect
DAY 92: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.
actually the traitor half of the alpha legion had a big moment recently a member of them found alpharius,s spear and reunitet a lot of them so they are more dangerus than ever. i think the book was called Harrowmaster or somthing.
This take on the Alpha Legion is my favorite and I think you're the first youtuber who shares my idea on what they're actually doing, very divided with loyalist and traitor elements.
7:37 TIMMY!!!😲
Yes, we all miss Timmy
2:00 for video start
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1. Black Legion (overwelming numbers, said to be 10x the size of the Word Bearers who are likely the second largest legion.)
2. Word Bearers (second largest legion with a living daemon primarch. They're also extremely united and organized.)
3. Deathguard (very united, still a huge fighting force, and a living primarch.)
4. Iron Warriors (not very united and have lower numbers compared to top 3, but are very efficient and have a living primarch.)
Perfect list
Hmm, the emperor children's are growing in numbers lately, and Fulgrim is not far behind at all. I wonder what GW plans for the Fulgrim and emperor children to do in the settings?
Considering that EC is about to get their own codex in the very near future, I feel it's safe to say that they're about to have some kind of big impact to the setting.
The real reason the Alpha Legion under Omegon are so scarce is bc he's trying to come up with a cool name. He's probably a bit disappointed somebody already rocked up with the Omega Marines (unless that's just his side hustle).
Forgot to rank the Dark Angels
Easy, they are the most powerful loyalist.
@NANA-lq5md Dark angels? Loyalist? HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
@@CF-or3ci loyalty is it's own reward.
Oof. They almost got us to forget.
Why do people think that the Dark angels are traitors I’ve seen this joke so many times but I’ve never got it
The iron warriors are also allied with Vashtorr, as we have seen them with him in his assault of the Rock.
I know I've been told it wouldn't work, but I still think a video about 'What if one of the Chaos gods turned good' would do well. I want Majorkill to hype up the niche fan theory that Ceogorach's ultimate plan/meme is to trick slanesh into becoming the Eldars greatest hope.
If Fulgrim returns and Eidolon keeps his shit together, then Emperor's Children might not be irrelevant anymore. ;)
I love Angron’s backstory so much, tragic as hell but just wonderful in a grim way
I’d love to see more Perty, especially if he’s been interred in a dreadnought by now.
What happened to all the forces the World Eaters gained during the Arks of Omen event?
Going out on a limb, I’m guessing Lion El’Johnson happened.😅
That was a huge force and even included Khornate Primaris 🤷🏻 He got Angron, but the rest?
There was an equally powerful, if not large, force that didn't turn to the curse. Scions, Sisters, etc. All the Elites and Zealots, basically. Once Angron was gone they, and the DA with the Lion, mopped up pretty easily one would assume... or they called MORE Grey Knights and Inquisition forces to do so before moving on.
Abbadon himself told that arch-daemon that Angron was the ONLY factor that would carry the day, and they went knowing they didn't have the supply lines, nor the forces, nor the element of surprise - nor much of a plan at all, beyond Angron merely existing.
Some of my ideas for video
What if Abaddon died during the Siege of Terra?
Worst thing each Primarch has done.
What if Lorgar became a new Warmaster during Heresy?
My Calendar Arrived today, I appreciate the nice message that was on it.
This should be more popular dawg
One thing I noticed, or thought about. How the Death Guard for example, are very durable, but from the POV of other Astartes, they are very slow. Not that slow, but well slow enough for another Astarte. That these corruption long term might just be hindrances, not help.
I love how the post-Heresy era of World Eaters can just be boiled down to them being regarded.
@@Juel92 if I can't fight it or kill it. What the fak do you want me to do with it!?!?!
Quoth TV Tropes.
"Unlike other Chaos Space Marines, the Iron Warriors don't use psykers, Chaos magic, daemons or such other Warp trickery as part of their arsenal, nor do they possess heavy mutations that could give them an edge over Loyalist Space Marines (they indeed make it a point to replace mutations with cybernetics so as to stay as physically uncorrupted as is possible for a servant of Chaos). Instead, they fight strictly with strategy and rather standard equipment at the level of Loyalist Space Marines.
Despite (or perhaps even because of) this fact, the Iron Warriors are arguably the most dreaded and feared of the Traitor Legions, since they don't need such tricks, instead just being so coldly efficient, strategically brilliant, thoroughly destructive and obscenely brutal against their enemies that the forces of the Imperium would rather face any of the other forces of Chaos before they ever did them. The Iron Warriors are just really fucking good at morale-destroying wholesale slaughter."
And another passage states.
"The first rule of siege warfare is "whatever works, works" and the Iron Warriors have taken this to heart. Infiltration, cannon fodder, secret passages, tunnels, taking advantage of traitors, and bringing in the big guns whenever they can are just a few of the myriad unpleasant ways the Iron Warriors will crack open a fortress and kill everyone inside."
Not to mention, the Iron Warriors also make use of (horrifying) but effective technology, probably from Vashtorr's influence.
It’s also worth noting that as long as goatvus goatrax is in the corner of the warp watching lorgar, the word bearers probably won’t be united anytime soon
Love this guy, keep doing what makes you happy
I really missed that timmy reference. Timmy is alive !!!
From Iron, cometh Strength. From Strength, cometh Will. From Will, cometh Faith. From Faith, cometh Honour. From Honour, cometh Iron. This is the Unbreakable Litany, and may it forever be so
You forgot about Solomon Akurra trying to reunite the Alpha Legion under his Ghost legion banner.
9:07 To that end, I'm curious how you think Abaddon would actually hold up against a Primarch in combat. Obviously against the Lion or Corvus, he'd get absolutely *bodied,* but what about Guilliman? Do you think Abaddon would even have a chance of winning, or of even surviving more than a few seconds?
Prolly not. There have been many instances where the movements of a Primarch were so fast, that they looked instant to space marines. Granted, Abbadon has defeated an imperfect clone of Horus, but since it has no soul it was a massive pushover. So unless Abbadon get a shitton of buffs from all chaos gods he shouldn't survive. Maybe will hold for a little but, but no chance if win in a 1v1
1:52 is the timeline you want to skip to my friends.
So glad to see this upload schedule. I've been here since the autistic hedgehog days. I was there when the first Warhammer lore video was written. I'll be here for the lore video that marks a million subs. Youve been in the backdrop of YEARS of my life majorkill your videos have been with me through the brightest and darkest days. Thanks for each and every one of them sir.
Not an OG legion, but I feel like the Red Corsairs deserved an honorable mention. They would actually rank pretty decently I reckon.
Agreed. They are definitely a force to be reckoned with
GW likely won't have Perturabo do anything until the scouring series confirms his current state.
Nice lookin cut bro!
a video idea could be who the strongest out ofnthe chaos gods ir or if khaine is khorne, i love ur rankings
Random question Majorkill, can you share what exercises, weight etc you use for traps? Looking legendary
Here's a video idea!
What chaos faction would the loyalist primachs join (chaos undivided not an option, they have to choose one of them)
Thousand sons also brought an entire planet from the warp into real space and are building a psychic empire. As far as numbers, didn’t they just create a bunch of robot daemon engines out of the old heresy battle automaton?
Have you done a vid on chaos knights?
So Major, whats your thoughts on the new Eldar models? The new Phoenix Lord models, the Warp Spiders and the upcoming 10th edition codex?
Just watched the whole thing in 12x speed, just amazing
Emperors children sitting in the corner shouting “we are back and better than ever!”
They aren't one of the original legions, but it would be good to see something about the Red Corsairs, there's so much depth to them.
Yess more chaos/heretic astartes content pls!!!
I’m calling it, when Perturabo returns, Dorn returns. If Dorn returns, then Perturabo will return.
Won’t be surprised if the Emperors Children vault up to top 3 soon. Return of Fulgrim and Eidolon along with Fabius Bile acquiring a bunch of EC gene seed and the knowledge to make or even improve upon primaris marines. Spicey times are coming
Iron Warriors are my favourite traitors, just bellow would Black legion and Death Guard, all three were amazing pre and post heresy mainly because they actually work together to get the job done. Even when they fail it's not because they were fighting, it's either over confidence causing them to mess up or plot armour from their opponents!
I still think the coolest villain they could bring to the setting would be Lorgar who in an attempt to resurrect Horus in his prime state accidentally got himself possessed by the spirits of Konrad Curze. You would have a twin Primarch soul that hot swaps between the calm preacher and the violent lunatic, much like the Gal Vorbak, who would be too powerful for any one Primarch and could command the forces of two chaos legions.
Curze hates lorgar.. And corax will tear him apart the moment lorgar dares to venture out
Ave Dominus Nox, u have to read/listen to the new Morvenn Vahl Book, the Antagonist is a Night Lord by the Name Kol Rakhul the Death of Saints. He launched an fullout attack on Ophelia VII. Maybe its a good sign that Night Lords are coming back and Decimus is also out there gathering the Legion.
Happy to see a new vid
This video just confirms my theory that instead of whole legions in a great crusade,
Each expeditionary fleet should have been task force of 1 company from each legion
Do the same for loyalist legions, would be a great video!
hey majorkill, omegon actually very well might have made an appearance in one of the new novels. bequin novel i think. he's bumming around with eisenhorn and told an inquisitorial acolyte when asked who he really is "i am alpharius" which he did take up the name alpharius omegon after alpharius was killed by dorn.
Do the same video for Craftworlds, septs, regiments etc
I'm a simple man; I see a Majorkill video, and I watch and like it. Sometimes I even comment.
Could you do a video on the military forces of the Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum/ and the Mechanicus
Pretty please do a video on the Psyker disciplines plzz
I think you should go over Messages for Dad. The fanfic had evolved to the point it has as much lore as the Roboutian Heresy.
Video idea: the Consortium explained.
Damn, been a while since you mentioned Timmy
First! Also, you should cover which Necron Overlord is the most powerful or at least which one is capable of challenging Silent King
From a leadership sense, it would be Imotekh, since he is the most competent and skilled Necron military officer currently active and is in charge of the largest and most successful galactic-native Necron Empire, that being the Sautekh and their vassals. Additionally, Imotekh knows how to use the Necrontyr honor codes to turn other Necrons lords to his side.
In terms of pure physical power, then it would be Ahmontekh, who was stated to have been so powerful that he fought directly at the side of the C'tan during the War in Heaven, killed at least one Eldar god in personal combat (the kind that were meant to stand to to toe against unbroken C'tan) and who could break apart an entire planet with a single hit of his scythe. He's currently kept in stasis though, since he malded so hard against a rival dynasty that when he was awakened in the current era due to his tomb world (which is dimensionally hidden inside of a star) receiving a distress call from that same rival dynasty, his rage overwhelmed a good portion of the tomb world's network and destroyed a bunch of other Necrons and tech.
Ok, I know that this video specifies traitor “legion.” But how do the Red Corsairs fit into this ranking?
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
Death Guard I feel should be the largest. Following Nurgle means chaotic recruits do not need to worry about organ rejection from gene seed inplantation.
If they release a demon primarch Pertuabo it will fir surr be the first model i even buy. (I missed out of the Massive Big E model you did ny like 2 days because paycheck got held up.)
Day 146 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy
I love the world eaters especially the iron butchers fan chapter
If i remember correctly, since the rift happened, the IW have made something like a empire (ultramar sized) in a part of the galaxy. Chaos and loyalists are not ready...💀
You forgot Blood Angels *hiss hiss!* so spoooky and dark! 🦇🧛🏻♂️
What If Kharn joined the anti nails rebellion.
He wouldn’t, him implanting the nails in himself and the other world eaters was his idea. No want from Kharn for butcher nails, no butchers nails innovation to create their own for space marines, thus no nailed space marines.
Angron would kill him and push the nails in anyway
@@petrrozsival8554 Eeeeeeeee... The guy was already knocked out by his son's during the said rebellion without Kharn backing them up, so I'm pretty sure they'll be able to do the exact same thing they already did with the help of the strongest space marine world eater by their side.
Angron was hoping that all world eaters reject the nail but they were scared to say no
@@Firas-xii they did so to try to become closer to their primarch/father and it was a horrible idea as Angron never wanted them to begin with.
Video starts 2:02
Considering Christmas, details on your chain
More chaos content please 🙏
Good evening Mr Major
Majorkill, you need to develop a space marine workout channel for nerds to buff up.
Side note about the sons of Horus
There now Thrice Cursed Traitors while a few handfuls of warbands they do still exist
The true sons are the best example so they're not entirely gone
What about red corsairs? If I'm not mistaken their numbers are second largest and recruitment is not an issue. Also Huron despite being a little crippled is still a great leader and could potentially rival abandon in the right circumstances.
Currently listening to Fulgrim (the book in Horus Heresy series, not the pervert Primarch), Isstvan 5 battle happening now but IDK when it hits the fan for the loyalists.
I don't agree with the World eaters. They have a very efficient recruit system with the flesh-vats. Where they throw in normal warriors and out comrs a berzerker.
We'll see the Iron Warriors ride out from Medrengaard and deal the Imperium a massive blow.
2 minute of intro and ad, i think thats a new record for a 9:37 vid :D
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Maybe it’s relevant maybe it isn’t but Alpha legion has recently acquired Primaris technology so who knows when and how they will employ this resource.
As much as how far the Black Legion have gone, and Abadon pumping more gear, the last thing the Imperium needs is the Imperial Fist equivalent of Chaos getting unified and stronger. Also Lorgar still smells of "true antagonist" smell, and I think even they could pose a bigger threat than the Black Legion.
I think the nightlords that followed decimus was around 3 thousand and probably another 3 thousand didnt even show up to the war gathering
And just like that, we are back on top, baby! Iron Warriors for the win