I do rather enjoy listening to how they, the galaxy’s worst narcissists who act like everyone’s ex-wife get “it” handed to them. Looking forward to the Nightlords skinning Bill-Tan
it would actually work pretty well as an 4 person extraction sort of shooter because you could have differing types of species work in the mercenary outfit. rouge trader forces in it for the money, inqusitorial forces striking a deal with the craftworld, tau mercenaries, dark eldar, eldar harlequins, even possibly ork blood axes would work as a great rag tag group of soliders going into hell itself for the dollar. honestly the more i think about it this honestly sounds way cooler than darktide if done correctly
Eldrad believes that the Eldar can only survive if they work with the Imperium. Neither will if they don't. It's why he ordered Guilliman to be awoken.
Imagine being part of an Eldar expedition to a Crone World only to meet Kharn, Ahriman, Typhus, Lucius or Khayon That's a lot of dead Eldar and no Spirit Stones gained
I have a good question. Can the eldar even _be_ better players in the galactic stage? I'm using this video as reference: ruclips.net/video/3uAQPIsvd-g/видео.html (And I really want a collab between Majorkill and Chrono. That would be wildly entertaining. ^^)
GW needs to give Eldar a win in lore. They are so stagnant now that they totally ruined the Ynnari storyline. Just bc their motif is “dying race” doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get a real win that’s not just surviving. An Eldar book where the Eldar recover their version of an STL that gives them access to making new Craftworlds would be an amazing book and lore addition without breaking them as a faction.
In Dominion Genesis, one of the newer Mechanicus books, the goal of the main characters and their Eldar rivals was a Old Ones terraformer station that could terraform dead worlds into paradise planets. Unfortunately, the terraformer gets destroyed at the end of the book.
I bet Grey Knights could make easy work out of retrieving Spirit Stones from Crone Worlds. An easy side hustle that would be enormously profitable with the Eldar as the customer
This is one of those things where, if the setting didn't require almost everyone to make the worst possible decision at all times, it should be happening already. This may be my bias for the Eldar and Grey Knights talking but seriously, everyone except Chaos wins.
Dude I've been watching a lot of your 2-3 year old videos lately, and it's cool to see how the quality production, and your confidence has gone up over time. Keep up the good work brotha
Absolute victory or defeat for either would ruin the Great Game that we and Games Workshop play. So no one can win or lose as long as their models sell.
*_"We are like echoes in a cave, or waves upon the water: performing our part every time we are called. We who have glimpsed into the flow of time see that it is exactly such vast confluence, paths crossed and re-crossed. All are swept along. And we Eldar, masters of hindsight, insight, and foresight are bound that much more tightly to our duty than the ignorant, the belligerent, the blind."_* *_"When one truly understands fate as it is, myriad branching paths, then one can truly see that duty is cleaving to a particular fate, and glory is the accomplishment of duty’s ends. When we are true to the nature of the Eldar, we cannot fail."_* *- Farseer Caerys of Craftworld Ulthwe* Damn, _Dawn of War_ has some great Eldar quotes. ^^
1:11 Too detailed for table top- absolutely true. As someone who has pained (and fields) 3dArtGuy's Omegon and Tyberos, it was almost too much and they were my most difficult paints yet.
Everytime a Space Marine Almost Killed a Primarch like when Khan got stabbed by a bunch of Death Guard or when Guilliman was brought to his knees by Kor Phaeron
Majorkill you should take a look at Trench Crusade! It's grimdark and it takes place in 1914 in an alternate reality where corrupted Knights Templars opened a portal to Hell and the forces of Heaven and Hell have been fighting for dominance for centuries! It's a Kickstarter right now, and there are a few recognizable Black Library authors that are part of this. Just wanted to bring it to your attention! Love the videos, and keep up the good work! 😊
DAY 78: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.
I’m a pretty new subscriber and warhammer fan in general, but I just want to say keep up the good work! You’re an amazing warhammer content creator, your upload schedule is one of the most consistent I’ve ever seen for a lore channel of any franchise and the amount that you contribute to the community via your minis and commissioned artwork goes criminally unrecognized. Thank you for all you do for the Warhammer fanbase
Man is literally what got me to stop hating Warhammer lore. Not got me into it. Got me to stop hating it. For all the reasons you said above. He's a boon to this whole community.
Nice video. Something interesting to think about is that it's only been like one eldar generation since The Fall...there are still living elder who remember the time before the fall...
Ayyyyyy 3rd time being early for a vid! Video on different space marine types would be awesome vid m8. Also, keep the good work up Majorkill, videos are getting more mint by the week!
I may have a suggestion. What about a "every type of Squig" video. You may only jot down the notable ones only because, some like the Hairsquigs are a little ridiculous although you can if you want to.
That was an awesome and very nuanced take on the situation. Very much enjoyed it! Only thing I will say is that there are ALOT of Craftworlds. And some can be reclaimed. Just when you said “More than a dozen left” doesn’t really begin to cover it as there are a lot of Eldar left. But yeah, the Eldar aren’t really ‘dying’ but rather ‘losing’. Exodite Army When? 😭
GW really needs to make the Exodar a fully fledged faction of Eldar that is actually thriving. Space wood elves! Wraithwood tech and armor... genetically engineered dinosaurs as vehicles and mounts.... tree ships.... the shit writes itself GW come on
@8:00 one really has to wonder if the reason the Ynnari got SO screwed in their own books is that someone at GW realized that just their existing as a faction could solve every problem the Eldar face.
I think the Eldar just need a but of a soft reboot, and to get away from Gav Thorpes characterization. He writes them more like angsty teenagers than warriir seers, and the battles he puts them in feel to small for whats at stake. I think that Ynneads birth should have taken Slaanesh by surprise as it ripped open the chaos gods stomach, stole many souls, and potentially stirred the powers of the old Pantheon. Slaanesh could have driven Ynnead off, and become much more aggresive for awhile as she seeks revenge. Ynnead can reveal that it isnt strong enough yet, and that it needs allies. Eldrad and the Ynnari could then work with Robute as zealous allies as they search for ways to defeat chaos together. It seems like many fans want an alliance between the Eldar and Imperium, but GW wont let anything last as they wont let the Eldar utilize common sense. Theres always some petty, stupid betrayal that must happen because reasons.
Dear majorkill!! Please make the videos another minute or two longer to make up for the 2 min intro, i love the content but HATE HOW FAST IT IS GOES RAAAHHH
Eldar: Judging humanity for being savages Also Eldar: Ignoring that the vast majority of their species are the *Dark Eldar!* Even before the fall the majority of the species was so horrible they murderfucked a chaos god into existance...
@nikogarcia201 I think you misunderstood the point of my comment. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of the Eldar calling humanity savages, despite the majority of their own species being far worse.
Also for the camera situation another example of them being hit hard was from rouge trader. We don’t know what outcome is canon yet but. In one situation (wich probably will be canon) a good chunk of cameran gets imploded. Meaning if this is true their is now a giant hole in the middle of cameran
Majorkill, this is think the 3rd video I've heard you say "something 2: electric boogaloo" I'm curious is that a Minus the Bear reference as they have a song called "get me naked 2: electric boogaloo"?
Honestly it depends, on one hand the Imperium will begrudgingly protect the Eldar if it’s convenient and helps in destroying Chaos, on the other hand chaos is anathema to the Eldar and presents the most destructive threat to them and if the imperium loses the Eldar go with them, we’ve got hella problems right now:
That's one great looking titan. Thoughts on new fuegan model? Hehey, there's John Stone(the incubus art), tho he might have been shown earlier here(dorn vs alpharius duel perhaps), can't remember now. One more recommend for an artist , Vukasin Ivkovic a.k.a. vookasheen(if you watched siege of vraks and badab war presented by arch warhammer(suck grapefruit, gw), vook did several of artworks there for him). Plus he's a fellow south-slav(our countries are neighbors).
@yaqbulyakkerbat4190 I am, but neither Robute, nor Yvraine have ever given a hint to such a development. People are like drugging themselves with this tired meme.
Well even if they managed to grow into the size of imperium, bur knowing you will end up into a super hell or momentary purgatory after death will make you feel doomed.
I'm not even an eldar fan but that titan is one of the best models I've ever seen.
They are genetically disposed to be A-Holz.
Yeah same here but unfortunately they are currently sold out and I really want to get one 😢
@@liamapps2881yep that was pretty dissapointing. It was sold out before I could even reach the website...
Pancreas busting his pancreas seeing the space elves:
Pancreas busting his pancreas seeing the bretonians
You mean knife ears
@@grouplelakibersekutu lutin in the corner just watching with an intense stare, while Slaneesh tickles Weshmer’s toes with a feather.
I'm glad you brought up the Eldar. We don't get enough of them in lore.
I do rather enjoy listening to how they, the galaxy’s worst narcissists who act like everyone’s ex-wife get “it” handed to them.
Looking forward to the Nightlords skinning Bill-Tan
Aren’t they one of the most popular factions in the game though
lol fr
they dont even have their own campaign in bfg2
which every other races has
eldar is having the middle child treatment
You get 7 minutes of Eldar content this year.
@@ngkngk875 no
Ngl a survival shooter about a croneworld (idk how it's written) where u have to retrieve spirit stones and other objectives would be absolutely sick
Dude. YES!
it would actually work pretty well as an 4 person extraction sort of shooter because you could have differing types of species work in the mercenary outfit. rouge trader forces in it for the money, inqusitorial forces striking a deal with the craftworld, tau mercenaries, dark eldar, eldar harlequins, even possibly ork blood axes would work as a great rag tag group of soliders going into hell itself for the dollar.
honestly the more i think about it this honestly sounds way cooler than darktide if done correctly
@@sovietunion7643 There is already a lot of characters to pick from just using the Aspect Warriors... But mercenaries sound cool too!
This sounds so cool.
But Xenos and so we will be waiting for the heat death of the universe before that happens.
Billions of options and narratives for 40k video games... kinda want a Skyrim esque rpg 40k game 😅 dlc could be different worlds idgaf
Eldrad believes that the Eldar can only survive if they work with the Imperium. Neither will if they don't. It's why he ordered Guilliman to be awoken.
Eldrad was always a bro and saw humanity's potential to be on par with the Eldar.
Eldrad: Fulgrim we need oh fuck.... uhhhh@@chiefkeef74
@hathawayishere relax, we still have Clonegrim.
I personally would love an Eldar/Imperium alliance, all heresy jokes aside. I can see it being real cool
Imagine being part of an Eldar expedition to a Crone World only to meet Kharn, Ahriman, Typhus, Lucius or Khayon
That's a lot of dead Eldar and no Spirit Stones gained
Eldar desperatly needs more lore, especially Harlequins. Give my elven clussy some love James Workshop!
I have a good question. Can the eldar even _be_ better players in the galactic stage?
I'm using this video as reference: ruclips.net/video/3uAQPIsvd-g/видео.html
(And I really want a collab between Majorkill and Chrono. That would be wildly entertaining. ^^)
clussy is the end state of being. me, you, some guy at the park some woman trying to shop at walmart. getting clowned on is the meaning of life.
"Got it, more space man lieutenants"
YOUR ELVEN WHAT?
BAZINGA
GW needs to give Eldar a win in lore. They are so stagnant now that they totally ruined the Ynnari storyline. Just bc their motif is “dying race” doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get a real win that’s not just surviving.
An Eldar book where the Eldar recover their version of an STL that gives them access to making new Craftworlds would be an amazing book and lore addition without breaking them as a faction.
In Dominion Genesis, one of the newer Mechanicus books, the goal of the main characters and their Eldar rivals was a Old Ones terraformer station that could terraform dead worlds into paradise planets. Unfortunately, the terraformer gets destroyed at the end of the book.
@@pll3827 as it usually does.
Hey I’m convinced a writer that liked the elder enough would definitely have them raid the fuck out of the dark princes realm
I bet Grey Knights could make easy work out of retrieving Spirit Stones from Crone Worlds. An easy side hustle that would be enormously profitable with the Eldar as the customer
Explain it to them as hurting chaos, badly.
“It would fuck with chaos”
“I’m in”
This is one of those things where, if the setting didn't require almost everyone to make the worst possible decision at all times, it should be happening already.
This may be my bias for the Eldar and Grey Knights talking but seriously, everyone except Chaos wins.
@@Pyre Another idea would be to have Blanks gather the soul stones. The Eldar would hate them, but they would be the best bet.
Dude I've been watching a lot of your 2-3 year old videos lately, and it's cool to see how the quality production, and your confidence has gone up over time. Keep up the good work brotha
For real. But BOW TO ME is still chillen
It's funny how humans and aeldari are in this constant state of absolute victory/endangerment
Absolute victory or defeat for either would ruin the Great Game that we and Games Workshop play. So no one can win or lose as long as their models sell.
I'm throbbing
Creamy
Throbby
I can feel it from here.
And dripping
Cream pie are food
*_"We are like echoes in a cave, or waves upon the water: performing our part every time we are called. We who have glimpsed into the flow of time see that it is exactly such vast confluence, paths crossed and re-crossed. All are swept along. And we Eldar, masters of hindsight, insight, and foresight are bound that much more tightly to our duty than the ignorant, the belligerent, the blind."_*
*_"When one truly understands fate as it is, myriad branching paths, then one can truly see that duty is cleaving to a particular fate, and glory is the accomplishment of duty’s ends. When we are true to the nature of the Eldar, we cannot fail."_*
*- Farseer Caerys of Craftworld Ulthwe*
Damn, _Dawn of War_ has some great Eldar quotes. ^^
All those who love life, fear the reaper.
1:11 Too detailed for table top- absolutely true. As someone who has pained (and fields) 3dArtGuy's Omegon and Tyberos, it was almost too much and they were my most difficult paints yet.
Keep it up MK, literally been watching every vid since the very beginning
Everytime a Space Marine Almost Killed a Primarch like when Khan got stabbed by a bunch of Death Guard or when Guilliman was brought to his knees by Kor Phaeron
Bro speaking gibberish 😂
@@SoulsThievelearn to read
@@xanx3572 learn to take a joke 😂😂
@@SoulsThieve learn to make jokes😂😂😂
I think the Ynnari story will make a return with getting that fixing Craftworld tech.
Pfffft
IF GW cares of course
MAJOR NOO PLEASE MY WALLET!!! JUST WAIT TILL END OF MONTH PLEASEEEE 😭😭😭😭
Dew it
@@theredaudi8875 I know what I must do but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it
naw bro how bad is inflation getting that even space marines can't make the rent 💀
@Xx_Malum_Caedo_xX the hardest choices require the strongest of wills DO IT
lol
How can they be endangered and the 'danger'?
Have you ever seen a wounded and cornered animal? A mother with her cubs? Or a starving wolverine?
Would be neat to have a video on each time all the major factions fought at once like Vigilus and Glorefore.
I really wish GW would’ve let Isha escape from Nurgle when The Emperor came and burned his realm.
I would love for some kind of alliance between a few craft worlds and the Imperium under the order of Guilliman and Eldrad
Majorkill you should take a look at Trench Crusade! It's grimdark and it takes place in 1914 in an alternate reality where corrupted Knights Templars opened a portal to Hell and the forces of Heaven and Hell have been fighting for dominance for centuries! It's a Kickstarter right now, and there are a few recognizable Black Library authors that are part of this. Just wanted to bring it to your attention! Love the videos, and keep up the good work! 😊
Starts at 2:12
DAY 78: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.
Video idea: Blood Bowl explained. You can do this when it's either football season 🏈 or during the Superbowl.
I’m a pretty new subscriber and warhammer fan in general, but I just want to say keep up the good work! You’re an amazing warhammer content creator, your upload schedule is one of the most consistent I’ve ever seen for a lore channel of any franchise and the amount that you contribute to the community via your minis and commissioned artwork goes criminally unrecognized. Thank you for all you do for the Warhammer fanbase
Man is literally what got me to stop hating Warhammer lore.
Not got me into it. Got me to stop hating it. For all the reasons you said above.
He's a boon to this whole community.
7:11 hmmm a Roanoke listener 😂😂 I can’t hear it without thinking about him
I really think they should reunite. Having a super powerful focus in the universe that isn't chaos would shack up the setting in a positive way
Nice video.
Something interesting to think about is that it's only been like one eldar generation since The Fall...there are still living elder who remember the time before the fall...
Being a dying race feels like a fundamental part of any kind of fantasy elf.
Ayyyyyy 3rd time being early for a vid! Video on different space marine types would be awesome vid m8. Also, keep the good work up Majorkill, videos are getting more mint by the week!
I may have a suggestion. What about a "every type of Squig" video. You may only jot down the notable ones only because, some like the Hairsquigs are a little ridiculous although you can if you want to.
Hello majorkill i love your content , keep up the good job
I'm writing my own Eldar Craftworld for my warhammer writing project
That was an awesome and very nuanced take on the situation. Very much enjoyed it!
Only thing I will say is that there are ALOT of Craftworlds. And some can be reclaimed. Just when you said “More than a dozen left” doesn’t really begin to cover it as there are a lot of Eldar left.
But yeah, the Eldar aren’t really ‘dying’ but rather ‘losing’.
Exodite Army When? 😭
Only ogs will know major made a vid about this 3yrs ago or so
Keeping my fingers crossed for a
"Angelic vampire lord" major mini (and I don't mean mephiston😉)
Wow those models look great
Your eldar mini's are on a different level 😮😮😮 nice job 👌💯
GW really needs to make the Exodar a fully fledged faction of Eldar that is actually thriving. Space wood elves! Wraithwood tech and armor...
genetically engineered dinosaurs as vehicles and mounts....
tree ships....
the shit writes itself GW come on
Skip to 2:09
You're welcome
I Apreciatte that a lot
A new video, a new hero…
Scrolled looking for this exact comment. Thank you kind person
@8:00 one really has to wonder if the reason the Ynnari got SO screwed in their own books is that someone at GW realized that just their existing as a faction could solve every problem the Eldar face.
Love the Eldar vids!
Those models are a treat! We definitely need more space elves, especially the shining lance phoenix lord ^^
Knowing your definitely going to hell if you die is terrifying. Living that long just increases the chance of something going wrong one day.
9:29 minute video,
almost 7mins of actual lore! youre squeezing it hard majorkill
Could we see more of these types of videos with the current state of each faction?
Great content as usual!
Video starts at 2:12
Thanks mate
0:00-0:34
Vid starts from 2:02 ur welcome
IIRC Comorragh has MULTIPLE dark suns, all of which are harnessed as energy sources. Which just makes it even harder to destroy.
I think the Eldar just need a but of a soft reboot, and to get away from Gav Thorpes characterization. He writes them more like angsty teenagers than warriir seers, and the battles he puts them in feel to small for whats at stake. I think that Ynneads birth should have taken Slaanesh by surprise as it ripped open the chaos gods stomach, stole many souls, and potentially stirred the powers of the old Pantheon. Slaanesh could have driven Ynnead off, and become much more aggresive for awhile as she seeks revenge. Ynnead can reveal that it isnt strong enough yet, and that it needs allies. Eldrad and the Ynnari could then work with Robute as zealous allies as they search for ways to defeat chaos together.
It seems like many fans want an alliance between the Eldar and Imperium, but GW wont let anything last as they wont let the Eldar utilize common sense. Theres always some petty, stupid betrayal that must happen because reasons.
I would unironically build an eldar army using all majorkill models
The Eldar: the reports of my death have been greatly exagerated
The ballad of our downfall is of most somber play.... The sins of our past have been our greatest dread for millennia
sounds like something a necron dinasty can whipe out in 2-3 business days
We need the orks taking control of a craft world.
Eldar fate depends on model sales...
Kinda, doomed to suffer for the perceivable future.
PLEASE MAJORKILL, DO A VIDEO ABOUT IF ANGRON WAS SAVED BY THE EMPEROR ON NUCERIA OR IF HE NEVER GOT THE BUTCHERS NAILS
I wish salesy mcsaleson would put his minis at the end of the video. I don't click on lore videos to see ads, even if they are cool
8:44 looks like Sindel from Midway Mortal Kombat.
Day 5 of reminding everyone to drink water and eat your vegetables, also its Friday, so eat some ice cream
Imperial guard minis when?
Well zoinks, Majorkill. Really leaning into those Shaggy vibes with that shirt.🤣🤣
Dear majorkill!! Please make the videos another minute or two longer to make up for the 2 min intro, i love the content but HATE HOW FAST IT IS GOES RAAAHHH
Correction : Commoragh doesn't have one captured sun. They have three.
I mean we can crossbre- *got shot by a boltgun
Damn you sneaky Australian it’s 5:00 am over here
I love your videos! I hope you cover some more renegade chapters like the relic hunters. Keep up the good work. :3
Looking smexy with that chain brother!!!!
That titan is fucking awesome, especially in contrast with the official model.
Finally got an aeldari video
A vid on how each faction would deal with the flood?
Eldar: Judging humanity for being savages
Also Eldar: Ignoring that the vast majority of their species are the *Dark Eldar!*
Even before the fall the majority of the species was so horrible they murderfucked a chaos god into existance...
They actually are fully aware and often clash with them.
@nikogarcia201 I think you misunderstood the point of my comment. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of the Eldar calling humanity savages, despite the majority of their own species being far worse.
Also for the camera situation another example of them being hit hard was from rouge trader.
We don’t know what outcome is canon yet but. In one situation (wich probably will be canon) a good chunk of cameran gets imploded. Meaning if this is true their is now a giant hole in the middle of cameran
I'm painting up a beil-tan wraith army right now. The proxy look amazing
Cool video idea Majorkill. How many custodes will it take to kill each of the primarchs
Majorkill, this is think the 3rd video I've heard you say "something 2: electric boogaloo" I'm curious is that a Minus the Bear reference as they have a song called "get me naked 2: electric boogaloo"?
Just getting into the tabletop and one of the armies I want to do is eldar, so thanks for the new models Majorkill! Although, my wallet hates you now.
This video is basically a 9 an half min advert init 😂
I'm still waiting for Majorkill to come out with a SoB related mini 🤔
Shaggy swapped ghosts and weed for demons and gym :O
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
Video idea what if The God Emperor created something similar to The Codex Astartes at the start of the Great Crusade
They can’t die, Guilliman needs his harem
interesting suggestion i had, what if the castigator titan never fell to chaos and continued to serve the imperium?
8:07 iirc Vect hates or tried to kill Yirvanie and her allies because he probably fears her influence
Honestly it depends, on one hand the Imperium will begrudgingly protect the Eldar if it’s convenient and helps in destroying Chaos, on the other hand chaos is anathema to the Eldar and presents the most destructive threat to them and if the imperium loses the Eldar go with them, we’ve got hella problems right now:
That's one great looking titan. Thoughts on new fuegan model?
Hehey, there's John Stone(the incubus art), tho he might have been shown earlier here(dorn vs alpharius duel perhaps), can't remember now.
One more recommend for an artist , Vukasin Ivkovic a.k.a. vookasheen(if you watched siege of vraks and badab war presented by arch warhammer(suck grapefruit, gw), vook did several of artworks there for him). Plus he's a fellow south-slav(our countries are neighbors).
Major minis are getting nuts (in a good way)
man i love there mechs? i think they should go the same way liek the sylvaneth in AoS, more soul, wraithbone minis and lore
Does go to show nice and clean the GW design actually are, when you see others make their versions of it.
No worries. Robute will be bolstering their number with his elf wife
There is 0 lore supporting that.
Some people just need to watch some adult movies to get it out of their system.
Chill down it's a meme
@@Shatterfury1871 You must be real fun at parties
@yaqbulyakkerbat4190
I am, but neither Robute, nor Yvraine have ever given a hint to such a development.
People are like drugging themselves with this tired meme.
The Eldar need a plan to restore them, in essence they and the empire need to stand together. Would love the Eldar to help save Dante
20% of video is adds, nice.
They live long but them having kids takes a lot longer too
We need a sister of battle major mini! That ornate elf proves it, we need it!
Meh
@sephiroaone-of-nine101 great comment
Well even if they managed to grow into the size of imperium, bur knowing you will end up into a super hell or momentary purgatory after death will make you feel doomed.
Please make exodite dinosaur riding models! Please!