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Remind you Horus fear me even if he was full of chaos energy that's why he try to keep me far from Terra and if my brother Sanguinius didn't fight a Titan,khabanda and angron back to back Horus would be death at hands of Sanguinius
Hello Majorkill, Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
Angron being banished via being bludgeoned by the Emperor's shield isn't a detriment against him in the slightest. Even stated that a single hit from Angron would've sliced the Lion in half which is just insane.
Hm yes he has raw power, but he lacks skill for the most part. Though i could, to an extent, say the same about Mortarion. Morty took a solid bit of damage against Guilliman and i can't imagine him shaking that off without warp powers so easly as he did in canon.
Also they couldn't really have the Lion lose as he would be perma-killed by Angron, whereas Angron can just rez after 8 weeks 8 days and 8 hours, so the writers had little choice in the matter.
Failure and suicide. No other Loyalist has the strategic or tactical capability on the scale that Guilliman had. He not only solved shittons of bureaucracy issues, but he also singlehandedly coordinated the largest intergalactic campaign since the Great Crusade.
Angron: "You fight good." Mortarion: "I said no. Get out of my... ooo shiny glove!" Magnus: "If Aaron Dembski-Bowden remembered how to write, I would kill you in five different dimensions." Fulgrim: "Yay! Slannesh body pillow!" Lorgar: "I'll join you if you listen to my sermon." Pertuabo: "You're going to war with mankind? Say less."
Man honestly, the books where its just obviously an incompetent author ruining an otherwise great storyline hurt so bad in 40K the second oltyx novel still haunts me
@leonhardable They had to make the story unfold to keep every Primarch potentially alive and still end up where they do in 40k. They had to write backwards you have to realize the primarchs are the chicken and the Marines are the eggs and the Eggs came before the Chickens. So you get these demi gods making weird and stupid decisions so that things unfold properly to not actually affect anything
I like to think Perturabo is actually just a massive obliterator and as such is exceptionally powerful without truly being possessed by chaos. This would also let him be powerful enough to stand against the other traitor primarchs without really being a daemon primarch.
@@abdullahirfan9991 I expect we'll find out he and Vashtorr have a pact. Not swearing his soul to him like the others did, more mutually benificial cooperation.
@@stankgangsta4105it also the most victorious legion besides the first do well to remember that also. The Iron Warriors never got recognized for their victories.
Yeah, and he wasn't even the Primarch Khorne wanted. The Blood Gods prefered choice was Sanguinius, whose rage wasn't artificially induced like Angrons.
So I have a theory that one of the lost primarchs was the proto primarch the terrible angel and his counterpart was angron his empathy was meant to control him but since angron got the butchers nails he lost his aura meant to balance the two. So the emps quibotches the 2nd or 11th legions instead keeping angron as the lesser of 2 evils and since alpharius is now the 1st found son after finding omegon and discovering their twins decided it wasn't logical too have two of the same style legions and just combined both there respective legions into one and dispersing the rest throughout other legions the emperor gave Vulcan a type of psychic bomb meant to destroy the sol system I can't help but imagine that actually being the proto primarch who after being released goes apeshit on all thing warp tainted primarchs included
And please be there when that happens, don't be like the guy who wanted to have the Archaon vs Abbadon comparison and not make a peep when it premiered 😅
I feel like magnus could be the strongest, with tzeentch being the god of magic but because of the whole missing parts of his soul thing he is not as strong as he could be.
Not so sure. Tzeench is very fond of fucking up with his own servants, powerful or not. Unlike Khorne and Nurgle who are objective-driven or nice to their servants, the changer of ways always seeks to cause change, wether this is to his own troops detriment or benefit.
@@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf Tzeeentch is the god who wins by going "Grrr, this plan was foiled JUST AS PLANNED! Retreat, retreat I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME GADGET!
Pre-Heresy, Magnus and Vulcan were the two most OP Primarchs, one was the pinnacle of psychic might and the other the pinnacle of physical prowess. No one could hold a candle to these two
@@dontgetmarriedSangy was one of the strongest Primarchs in regular combat plus he could fly and and precognition. The only way Sangy doesn’t kick Vulkan out is bc Vulkan is immortal.
@@Lorddacenshadowind Yea. Sanguinius definitely had serious power to go with the "awesome guy" personality. His precog coupled to primarch power and flight made him probably the most dangerous to go up against. Hilarious scene in one of the books where he takes on a titan and three knights, kills the titan, strikes a pose silhouetted by explosions from the titan collapsing and scares the other three knights into running off with a "still think you can take me on?". Even Blood Angel's hearing about it are all "nah man, that can't have happened"
Guilliman’s reaction in Know No Fear was a good one. About the only time you’ll ever see a Primarch backpedaling with a look of horrified ‘WTF?!?’ on his face.
If I could make a request for a video. Are there any ‘Friendly’ daemons ? Or daemons that are pretty chill with working with humans or better yet who have sided with the humanity? I think the concept is very fascinating and since the setting been around for like 30 years or something there’s bound to be a story about the friendship between a human and a daemon. Also great video !
if by daemon you include gneric warp entities, yes. It's all in the definition I guess, as living saints and the legion of the dead work kinda like daemons.
It’s pretty weird lorgar is a bad psycher, I hope they buff his powers somehow when he comes out. Giving him different powers like mind compulsion and on the spot demon summoning would be cool
It would be nice if Lorgar at least was a decent schemer character who compensates for being weak by enacting galaxy brain strats. But no, he's weak and stupid so he really doesn't have much going for him.
This just got me really excited and hyped for Perty to hopefully be the next traitor to return with new models and lore etc. The lord of iron is easily the most interesting traitor and lord knows we need that after Angron’s mouth breathing rampaging
I like to think peterabo is sitting out because he is not a demon and is dealing with added disease ontop of his wound from dealing with mortarion using the exteme of his tech to fight the disease turning grey from it. I want to see perturabo go join the leagues of V and plug into one of their super construction computers as his body gives out more and give us proper chaos dwarves as he clearly is one. His personality is also 50% AM from "I have no mouth" already.
I like to think that Perty lost the battle against Mortarion coz he isnt really a demon prince. So that would explain why he lost despite him being a superior tactician and commander also making it in lore reazons with his characters prettyy cool. Coz he would never sell his soul to chaos.
I had never thought about it before but you make a good point, Morty is solid in every category and compared to most of his traitor brothers he seems easier to work with. Death Guard are probably valuable allies if you can ignore/survive the smell.
No way the original fulgrim will be, angron has a chance if the emperor decided to take him back then remove the B-nails, no way kurze will become loyalist again (yeah, he regrets everything but he hates everyone)perturabo is same as kurze. lorgar, magnus and mortarion are too far gone. Alpharius is dead (maybe omegon knows how to revive him since he's the other half of soul) and maybe omegon is playing both sides secretly (cypher).
@@ReverseBatman40k Doubt that. They couldn't remove the nails before, I doubt they would be able to now. Besides, Angron would never accept and the Emperor has no reason to redeem a primarch legion that's only known for it's bloodshed. I agree that the original Fulgrim is Lost. Kurze would only be possible if Emps somehow would be able to remove the visions from Kurze's genes/teach him how to handle them + invested hundreds of years to try and make amends to Kurze for not being there for him like he was there for other primarchs. Kurze would maybe accept reconciliation as he doesnt care about his legion anyway. Again, What goal would it serve to the Emperor, who is not really known for his great ability of self reflection. Perty will never accept. Mortarion could be redeemed, Emps said so himself, but I doubt Mortarion would do so out of loyalty, more likely to get back at Nurgle and Typhus for enslaving him and his legion. Lorgar is mad. He could be redeemed I think, but as a zealot. Something Emps hated before. Maybe if Emps embraced his godhood status and would have need for faith/prayer/rituals etc etc Lorgar would be useful to him. Lorgar would probably also only redeem himself if the Chaos Gods are defeated and the warp has been cut off. (But where does that leave the emperor as a warp god?) Magnus can be redeemed if he has all his soul shards and I am sure Emps would have a use for him. Emps would need a way to fix the gene issues of the thousands sons though. Maybe Cawl made a stock of primaris marines that could house the spirits of the rubric marines, showing Magnus and Ahriman there is a future without the risk of turning into warpspawn. Alpharius/Omegon is a brain breaker. I do think at least 1 of the 2 remained loyal, but i dont know which one of them died or if they died at all to begin with.
I would love to know what your theory would be If perturabo and the iron warriors stayed loyal and how that would change the setting and congrats of 500k
@@someperson1829 Yet they almost did Had Meros not disobeyed his Primarch and entered the Rage casket then Sanginius would have gone in and be corrupted Chaos easily wins the Heresy
@@christiandauz3742 That's a wishful thinking from a chaosite. lol. But there's no reason in denying that Chaos won the Heresy, Chaos won just by the fact that it happened.
The seeming mindlessness of Angron is also a strength, he doesn't hold back ever. The fact that he does not fear death - in fact he WANTS to die so he can finally know peace - is also a huge red flag that he is not to be messed with.
Great video MK, personally I'd give the top spot to Mortarion though. It was mentioned how Mortarion caused a corrosive plague that withered away at the iron warriors & how Angron gets beaten by "being a fucking retard" 😂 Way I see it is Mortarion would put his flight to better use, his pistol ("the lantern" I think it's called) as well as causing plagues & disease to debuff, corrode, sicken & overall influence the angry fuckhead would combo up. If angron doesn't win in a short fight I think 9 times out of 10 Mortarion can endure & carve him down. Angrons best bet would be to end it quick, that's where the wings matter (yes they both have them but morty isn't cooked enough to let himself get pummelled). Distance shots, plague & flight. After that, attrition.
@christiandauz3742 Since I posted my comment I've learnt more about the Iron Warriors & Perturabo. I'd say they're a stronger force than Angron & his legion. I can fully believe that in a war Perturabo could beat Mortarion however I do think that battle can go either way depending on external factors & such.
I think its also worthy of note that Perty still has Ferrus’ hammer Forgebreaker, but with added daemonic shenanigans and improvements. Also Perty was mentally powerful enough to resist Fulgrim’s attempts at sacrificing him. I think he’d definitely be a beast if we saw him get off his chair.
I wonder in the form of Warp Manipulation would this change anything, like that is Lorgar's speciality, that yes in the overall categories Lorgar looses but against each other, finding out how to counter their Daemon essence like how he beat Fulgrim. Speaking of really think when Fulgrim comes back he should kill Khaldor Drago, taking out a big enough powerful lore character part of the Imperium raises the stakes, and it being one infamous for beating a Daemon Primarch would be fitting.
I'd probably have put mortarion over angron because command power is, at least in my eyes, more valuable than all others. I mean look at macharius, he wasn't even a primarch but did more than most of those for the imperium. So if you'd have gone for "the strongest" I'd give it to angron, but the most powerful (over all) to mortarion. But I agree it is a tough one, I also agree with the rest of the ranking.
I dunno, I feel like Fulgrim, Angron and Mortarian are almost like a rock, paper scissors situation. Though I think it comes down between Fulgrim and Angron, Morty is just too slow for me to think he'd be able to Tank enough of Fulgrim's hits before he goes down, the two of them are both tough thanks to their healing abilities, but if Morty lost to Jaghatai while Daemon Ascended, speed and skill with a blade seems like something he struggles against besides raw power. Out of the strongest Primarch Duelists Fulgrim was always up there with Leman, Lion, Sanguinius and Conrad, but especially now I think he's well suited to take Mortarian down if he really tried. As far as who I think would win between Angron and Fulgrim, honestly I dunno! Angron is devastating if he can land a hit, but thats the thing, I don't know if he'd be able to land enough hits on Fulgrim consistently enough to slow him down before he can regenerate or before all the cuts he'd get for each over swing starts to add up. Personally I'd give Fulgrim the win in terms of a 1v1 situation between the traitors.
He'd be way more powerful than anyone. He once took on six Space Wolves dreadnoughts and won. He's been only defeated via hacks due to his many many weaknesses.
I am convinced that when the emperor was looking for warp gods, he came upon Xochipilli, the Aztec God of Homosexual Prostitution, and he was just in a hurry, already did the other 19, and just said fuck it. How bad can it turn out. That's how we got lorgar.
What kind of powerups are the loyalist Primarchs showing? Corvus got his raven form, The Lion got his forest walk warp travel - any others been shown or hinted at?
Lorgar fought Girlyman to a stalemate before Daemonhood. Not to mention he is probably the most gifted Pysker besides Magnus. I know you exaggerate for humor but there is probably a legitimate Argument for Lorgar.
@@Goblinhandler fair enough, although I'll maintain that the nails have overridden so much of what he was supposed to be that I have trouble seeing him otherwise
@@sl33pyhollow they took away most of his primarch abilities (although some seem to remain) And most lore channels seem to think the WE hate Angron, when it’s just some of Terran born veterans that do They love to overblow how bad he really was Atleast MK backtracked and said Fulgrim was the worst
@@Goblinhandler that's what I'm saying. Angron has lost A LOT of his primarch abilities due to the damn nails. And even with that, he was still tough as hell and was one of the best when it came up to actual combat. However he's still brain fried (really why I like the roboutian heresy, even if fan made it gives us a theory of how he could have been even greater)
Majorkill, what about a video stating what Malcador's duties and responsibilities in the imperium were? Every time I look it up all I can find is that he was the emperor's advisor and friend.
Before watching the video I'm predicting that magnus is the weakest one, he took so many Ls since he came back, even if he should be the strongest one in terms of raw power. I'm convinced tzeentch made him weaker to mess with him or something.
I would find interesting, Majorkill's description of the Primarchs's brief childhood. How their pods crashed and found, their first interaction with Humans (or lack thereof) and how these brief formative years would shape their character.
Man I love listening to Majorkill videos that’ve stacked up over the week on my Wednesdays off. Just doing house chores while listening to the absolute Chad Beast. ❤️💀🖤
I'm keen to see GW do something with Perty and Lorgs, in both current literature and minis. But I assume that Fulgrim will be the next Daemon primarch to be focused on in the lore as Emperors Children are an established traitor legion on the tabletop while Word Bearers and Iron Warriors are pretty much simply paint schemes. I personally think it would be cool if Abaddon was able to orchestrate the fall of one of the loyalist primarchs in the current setting. Would do a bit to erase his 13 failures while elevating a Big Bad. Like, imagine a fallen Vulcan...
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Hmmm, we haven’t seen anything from Lorgar. But the only thing I can say that’d give him an edge over his brother’s is if he knew their true daemon name. That would be his only saving grace I’d argue
Something I would like to point out about the Perty v Morty - Perterabo is a LOT more range combat oriented than he is geared towards close quarters/melee. Does this make him a slouch in a brawl? Not at all. But I think if he had been allowed to play more to his strengths during that fight, it might have been more of a stalemate. Or, at the very least, it wouldn't have been as one sided
Before watching i would like to think either angron because of his insane resurrection or pertrabo as he may be a primarch tier dreadnaught post video: did not expect fulgrim to be as highly ranked, and forgot mortarion being so powerful possible video: could the deamon primarchs enter age of sigmar and what would happen
Hello Majorkill, Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
Not sure if Fulgrim’s loss to Rogal should be counted in this. Fulgrim was in his “Normal Primarch Form” during the duel. Just not sure that should be counted in a 1v1 against his fellow daemon primarchs. Unless we are going with the pride weakness show during that fight, that is definitely his greatest weakness
You got me good with that intro joke xD. Hi im just starting my way into 40K and ive been consuming your content more than chaos consumed baldie boi horus. Anyways love the content man!
The Lion and Fulgrim meet Lion: I heard you slit my brother Guillimans throat. Fulgrim: uhhh, I thought you were dead... Lion: I heard you can't die, good. I have A LOT of anger to release, about 10,000 years of it. Fulgrim: uh oh.
Passages from "Angel Exterminatus" and "Slaves To Darkness" reference that Perturabo's soul is being siphoned in a way that resembles what happens to the Drukhari. Some theorize that Perturabo has been missing from the setting, because he didn't ACTUALLY go daemon. In his refusal to bend to Chaos, he's been spending his time trying to stop, or circumvent that siphoning. Essentially turning himself into a Dreadnought. Others say that he just kind of decided, "fukkit" and went daemon because it was the only way. Backed into a corner, similarly to Magnus and Mortarion. But the quote about how Perturabo and The Iron Warriors want to force order upon Chaos really reminded me of a different theory. There's that one theory that talks about how the Emperor was ACTUALLY actively seeking Godhood. He wanted to become a fifth Chaos God, and basically be a Chaos God of "Order" This is such a tin-foil hat, cooked conspiracy, that I think could be somewhat correct for no other reason than the fact that it is so insanely, "wtf" But here it is; I would open up the theory by referencing to the fight between Guilliman, and Mortarion. Where the Emperor basically possessed Guilliman's body to completely dunk on Mortation. The biggest thing that pressed Perturabo to go traitor, was his jealousy and anger towards Dorn. By the time we get to the Siege of Terra, Perturabo is kind of done with everybody's bullshit. But just stayed traitor because he was just kind of way too invested at this point. He was over all of the bullshit, so he busted up the palace and basically said, "Alright, cool, I've fulfilled my oath, I upheld my end of the bargain, I don't really have anything else for y'all, GLHF." withdrawing all of his forces and ragequitting. Perturabo regretted going traitor after he saw how far his brothers plunged into madness. But it isn't like he could ever come back to the Imperium. I would also like to note the Fulgrim clone. The Fulgrim clone was perfect. Since his original body got yoinked by the daemon. And then there was the Horus clone. The Horus clone was a little piece of shit. But the Fulgrim clone was LITERALLY him. The Primarchs are not their bodies. The Primarchs are their souls. Perturabo's soul is being siphoned / eaten away. And he regrets going traitor. Perturabo and the Emperor have such a hardcore anti-god/anti-warp mindset. What if Perturabo comes back as like, an "avatar of order", the Emperor is filling the gap of Perturabo's soul. Emperor is channeling himself through Perturabo in a way. Or similarly to the Sanguinor, what if Perturabo comes back as like, "an imperial daemon"? Writing this has also made me consider another conspiracy that is a MILLION times more cooked. Vashtorr is such an interesting Chaos entity. This dude doesn't play around. He doesn't do deceptive-daemon shit. He just has a good time being the arms dealer of Chaos. Just chilling at The Forge Of Souls making stuff, and the Chaos Gods don't really mess with him, cause I mean, he literally makes their shit, so they can't really get rid of him. The warp is completely unstable.The Chaos Gods have to begrudgingly accept his existence because of how influential he is. This lad literally binds lesser daemons to his will via contract. And Perturabo is known for his expert craftsmanship, and innovation. Vashtorr owes no allegiance to anything but himself. Even the high and mighty all-powerful pantheon of Chaos is essentially stuck kneeling to The Arkifane due to his purpose. What if Perturabo found a way to master the Warp...? What if he truly found a way to dominate it? What if Vashtorr IS Perturabo? Vashtorr is just a version of Perturabo from the future, finding Vashtorr in the current setting due to a combination of time shenanigans, and warp spaghetti. Or Vashtorr is a version of Perturabo from an alternative universe/timeline/reality. Or at the very least, due to the soul drainage it might not be Perturabo COMPLETELY, but what if there are just pieces / remnants of Perturabo within Vashtorr? Kind of like how Magnus was shattered into the various shards. Those shards are incredibly powerful, with Malcedor literally creating The Gray Knights using them. So what if it's something somewhat similar?
Magnus and Lorgar are the only ones capable of unleashing catastrophes that could devour solar system to entire galactic regions. Magnus through sheer sorcerous knowledge and energy pool and Lorgar through demonic knowledge from the Chaos Gods and the unique powers granted through their worship. • Ruinstorm blockading entire regions of space. • The entire Fang system turned desolate. • Literally transporting a planet from deep in the warp and into real space etc. (Insane energy output, tearing apart the reinforced fabric of real space due to the pylons and even piercing through the volatile sea of the warp!) - Imagine if this apocalyptic level energy was directed into a killing ray pointed at a system. • Magnus being the only one to directly assault the Emperor spiritually during the Siege of Terra, and having Vulkan needed to get rid of him to lessen the burden on Emps.
I still say perturabo. Mortaran win was mainly his rot making the planet not worth the effort. Also from his conversation with honsu, he seems more like his pre herarcy self and a lot more introspection.
How I think it would go: Lion - He would do well in terms of battle and with a united Dark Angels he would definitely smash a few of the threats better but he would be a lot less tolerable than Guilliman and would struggle with The High Lords and Inquisition and especially the God-Emperor worship. Fulgrim - if it was Fulgrim before he discovered his favourite penis sword then he would do well. He would struggle like many with the ecclesiarchy but he was a strong and bold commander who could have done very well in the battles. Perturabo - He would have been in his element. With The Imperium beseiged on all sides and so many armies to utilise he would secure the defences. Maybe being the only primatch around would make him less spicy but I doubt it. Jaghati Khan - He would ignore all the politics and just travel from enemy to enemy slicing them up before moving on leaving the rest to the people already in charge. Leman Russ - He would struggle quite a bit. His fury at what the Imperium has become would be very strong. I imagine he would have many internal battles aswell as fighting enemies across the galaxy. Rogal Dorn - Mister no nonsense himself would hate being alone. He would definitely go to war with the ecclesiarchy but would be successful stopping a lot of the Imperiums threats. Konrad Kurze - Wouldn't know what to do. He would activate Space Batman Mode and go on mass killing sprees. Like before the heresy. Sanguinius - His heart would break seeing what The Imperium has become but his love and compassion for humanity would help him unite everyone. His crusades would be legendary. Ferrus Manus - Similar in a way to Rogal his no nonsense approach and hard-headed nature would lead to him fighting the enemy without and within to restore what he thought for. Angron - Would just kill anything in his way till the nails blew his brains up. Mortarian - Always a jack of all trades in terms of primarch abilities. He would survive and help the Imperium but not to the same extent as others. Magnus - His psychic gifts would batter Chaos forces and help push them back but his arrogance would probably lead him to doing something stupid. Horus - The stress he felt as Warmaster would be trebled but he would be able to survive it. He would struggle knowing the Emperor is wasting away on the throne. Lorgar - Despite being weak in terms of primarchs he would be excellent bringing a massive new wave of belief in the God-Emperor granting him big power boosts like the Sisters of Battle get. Vulkan - Would give everyone a massive hug accidently crushing them to pulp and exterminating all races he came in contact with. Corvus Corax - He would be similar to Jsghati as he would go off and do his own thing for the Imperium. Alpharius/Omegon - They would sort the internal issues within the Imperium easy enough but may struggle more with the multiple races trying to obliterate mankind. To conclude the only one I think could potentially stand a chance of doing as good a job as Bobby G is maybe Lorgar.
Remember kids, no matter how girthy the Chaos Gods make you - the Lion and Sanguinius can still bend you over and eviscerate your rectal orifice
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Remind you Horus fear me even if he was full of chaos energy that's why he try to keep me far from Terra and if my brother Sanguinius didn't fight a Titan,khabanda and angron back to back Horus would be death at hands of Sanguinius
It is canon now that returned Lion looks and sound just like buff Charles Dance in space
@@thelion2751 Deamons should fear Angels.
Hello Majorkill,
Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
@@thelion2751 FOR THE LION!!!
Malcador and his relationship with each primarch i would love to know that. Thanks majorkill congrats on 500k!
We all want this video
That's actually a really good one
Yes!!! This is a great idea. EVERYONE LIKE COMMENT
Ngl, I can see Malcador as the drunk uncle, but not the cool one, the one that creeps out everyone
Yes
Angron being banished via being bludgeoned by the Emperor's shield isn't a detriment against him in the slightest. Even stated that a single hit from Angron would've sliced the Lion in half which is just insane.
Hm yes he has raw power, but he lacks skill for the most part. Though i could, to an extent, say the same about Mortarion. Morty took a solid bit of damage against Guilliman and i can't imagine him shaking that off without warp powers so easly as he did in canon.
@@bloodangel19i mean, when you Can just regenerate and ignore all pain, you’d probably adopt a very strange fighting style
Also they couldn't really have the Lion lose as he would be perma-killed by Angron, whereas Angron can just rez after 8 weeks 8 days and 8 hours, so the writers had little choice in the matter.
I love when he was throwing tanks at Lion.
if you have angron his great crusade era skill, he would have done some shit to the lion he wouldn’t like
How each loyalist would act in G mans place would be dope.
ohh this is a good one
Thank you for continuing to carry the torch brother , sometimes I don't get to the top , but someone always does
Failure and suicide. No other Loyalist has the strategic or tactical capability on the scale that Guilliman had. He not only solved shittons of bureaucracy issues, but he also singlehandedly coordinated the largest intergalactic campaign since the Great Crusade.
Idk why he’s been ignoring this for so long. Has he not seen the suggestion or is he just not interested?
@@yining200 idk i can remember people asking for as long as i have been subscribed to him
Angron: "You fight good."
Mortarion: "I said no. Get out of my... ooo shiny glove!"
Magnus: "If Aaron Dembski-Bowden remembered how to write, I would kill you in five different dimensions."
Fulgrim: "Yay! Slannesh body pillow!"
Lorgar: "I'll join you if you listen to my sermon."
Pertuabo: "You're going to war with mankind? Say less."
abbadon: “hey-“
perty: “say no more.”
The magnus one killed me haha
Man honestly, the books where its just obviously an incompetent author ruining an otherwise great storyline hurt so bad in 40K
the second oltyx novel still haunts me
Will not accept ADB slander
@leonhardable They had to make the story unfold to keep every Primarch potentially alive and still end up where they do in 40k. They had to write backwards you have to realize the primarchs are the chicken and the Marines are the eggs and the Eggs came before the Chickens. So you get these demi gods making weird and stupid decisions so that things unfold properly to not actually affect anything
I like to think Perturabo is actually just a massive obliterator and as such is exceptionally powerful without truly being possessed by chaos. This would also let him be powerful enough to stand against the other traitor primarchs without really being a daemon primarch.
Going off of that, what if the Obliterator virus was created by Perty to fix himself and he let it get loose amongst his former Techmarines?
What if he's a gaint obliterator with his armor being like a daemon engine
@@abdullahirfan9991 I expect we'll find out he and Vashtorr have a pact. Not swearing his soul to him like the others did, more mutually benificial cooperation.
@@brettwood1351 perty: **shoves daemon in a random piece of machinery** ,how about that?
Vashtorr: your hired!
@@1krani that isn't really far from what he would do,after he got infected in his Mind the litany of iron really started to give him ideas
Peterabo’s strength seems not to come from his own girth, but from his really powerful legion
Same with Guilliman. Hardly the best fighters, but their other skills make them S tier primarchs
Rogal: "hello Peter"
It is the most defeated Legion there is besides maybe the Night Lords.
He can still crack Lorgars spine with ease.
@@stankgangsta4105it also the most victorious legion besides the first do well to remember that also. The Iron Warriors never got recognized for their victories.
Getting a video about how each of the pre hetssy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation as imperial regent would be great ngl.
The Lion got a lesson from Imperium secundus and created his own protectorate.
Khorne: "Angron. Vibe check the universe, my loyal servant."
peter turbo takes the cake for me to be honest, he's not only the smartest of them all, but is also a fucking primarch dreadnought
"Peter turbo" lmfao
Grimdank Enjoyer
Perdophile
GW needs to write in a character named Peter Turbo. Omg 🤣🤣🤣
I really like the theory of Perturabo not really being a daemon, and just faking it with technology.
And to think, Angron was supposed to be a healer.
Angron: i changed classes
@@bloodangel19 Brain Damage and Butchers Nails will do that to you. I can't help but wonder how things would have gone with bro Angron.
While alive as a primarch angron could not even break out of a low tech jail cell. That is pathetic.
Yeah, and he wasn't even the Primarch Khorne wanted. The Blood Gods prefered choice was Sanguinius, whose rage wasn't artificially induced like Angrons.
So I have a theory that one of the lost primarchs was the proto primarch the terrible angel and his counterpart was angron his empathy was meant to control him but since angron got the butchers nails he lost his aura meant to balance the two. So the emps quibotches the 2nd or 11th legions instead keeping angron as the lesser of 2 evils and since alpharius is now the 1st found son after finding omegon and discovering their twins decided it wasn't logical too have two of the same style legions and just combined both there respective legions into one and dispersing the rest throughout other legions the emperor gave Vulcan a type of psychic bomb meant to destroy the sol system I can't help but imagine that actually being the proto primarch who after being released goes apeshit on all thing warp tainted primarchs included
Perturabo's greatest strength is being unerestimated.
Nice video Major. I think a video about how each of the primarchs would react to the modern imperium if they were in Guillimans place would be cool
Damn that really is a good idea 😎
And please be there when that happens, don't be like the guy who wanted to have the Archaon vs Abbadon comparison and not make a peep when it premiered 😅
@@christianleocastelo342 lol bet
He got folded by Perturabo tho
Corax would not like it... I can say that much for sure.
I feel like magnus could be the strongest, with tzeentch being the god of magic but because of the whole missing parts of his soul thing he is not as strong as he could be.
Not so sure.
Tzeench is very fond of fucking up with his own servants, powerful or not.
Unlike Khorne and Nurgle who are objective-driven or nice to their servants, the changer of ways always seeks to cause change, wether this is to his own troops detriment or benefit.
Also Vulcan killed his ass
@@Gary_a_normal_human_being Well Vulkan also couldn't die and took full advantage of that.
@@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf Tzeeentch is the god who wins by going "Grrr, this plan was foiled JUST AS PLANNED! Retreat, retreat I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME GADGET!
@@brettwood1351 da da da inquisitor eisenhorn da da da da hoo hoo
Perturabo - because he refused to take the chaos blunt and is literally too stubborn/made of metal to die
He is a demon primarch. He didn’t just take the blunt of chaos, he did a whole line of chaos off Fulgrim ass and liked it.
Iron Warriors and Death Guard fought in the warp and Mortarion won the duel against Perturabo.
Pre-Heresy, Magnus and Vulcan were the two most OP Primarchs, one was the pinnacle of psychic might and the other the pinnacle of physical prowess. No one could hold a candle to these two
Sanguinius maybe
@@Lorddacenshadowind true, I think he'd be the pinnacle of passion? His emotions and compassion did give him great power
Maybe the lion or fulgrim
@@dontgetmarriedSangy was one of the strongest Primarchs in regular combat plus he could fly and and precognition. The only way Sangy doesn’t kick Vulkan out is bc Vulkan is immortal.
@@Lorddacenshadowind Yea. Sanguinius definitely had serious power to go with the "awesome guy" personality.
His precog coupled to primarch power and flight made him probably the most dangerous to go up against.
Hilarious scene in one of the books where he takes on a titan and three knights, kills the titan, strikes a pose silhouetted by explosions from the titan collapsing and scares the other three knights into running off with a "still think you can take me on?".
Even Blood Angel's hearing about it are all "nah man, that can't have happened"
Malcador's relationship with the primarchs would be dope or what other loyalist primarchs would be like in g-man's place in the current setting
Would love to see each primarchs first reaction to chaos and demons or if and how they knew before
Guilliman’s reaction in Know No Fear was a good one. About the only time you’ll ever see a Primarch backpedaling with a look of horrified ‘WTF?!?’ on his face.
If I could make a request for a video.
Are there any ‘Friendly’ daemons ?
Or daemons that are pretty chill with working with humans or better yet who have sided with the humanity?
I think the concept is very fascinating and since the setting been around for like 30 years or something there’s bound to be a story about the friendship between a human and a daemon.
Also great video !
Argel Tal and other Word Bearers who got possessed by Demons, but it was mutually beneficial.
cherubael is chill with eisenhorn cause eisenhorn has massive balls
I guess Tzeentch at times but theres always a caveat to their deals they make.
if by daemon you include gneric warp entities, yes. It's all in the definition I guess, as living saints and the legion of the dead work kinda like daemons.
@@gabrielnasc6322 I always enjoy the conservations that Cherubael has with other characters.
I like how Majorkill takes no hostages when describing Lorgar's power level :D
Yet Lorgar can kill DOZENS of Smurfs with Lightning INSTANTLY and WITHOUT LOOKING AT THEM during the Heresy!!!
Could you do the 5 best last stands in Warhammer next :)
Cadia #1
Cadia
Hellsreach
Istvaan
Rylanor
Sanguinius on the eternity gate
@@Crusher888 Rylanor Should Be On That List.
@@slayer6498 REAL
The unimaginable power one must gain from Papa Khorne's back rub.
Great video Major
It’s pretty weird lorgar is a bad psycher, I hope they buff his powers somehow when he comes out. Giving him different powers like mind compulsion and on the spot demon summoning would be cool
It would be nice if Lorgar at least was a decent schemer character who compensates for being weak by enacting galaxy brain strats. But no, he's weak and stupid so he really doesn't have much going for him.
@@joshuakim5240 in desperate need of a buff
@@xavier84623
He killed several Ultramarines without even looking at them with Magic Lightning!
@@christiandauz3742 it would make sense if he was second only to magnus in terms of being a caster.
@@xavier84623
Lorgar uses Psyker Lightning. A much more powerful version
That was during the Heresy
Corax has been failing to beat him for 10k years
This just got me really excited and hyped for Perty to hopefully be the next traitor to return with new models and lore etc. The lord of iron is easily the most interesting traitor and lord knows we need that after Angron’s mouth breathing rampaging
Morty is so strong they had to asspull the comatose emperor coming back so he wouldnt kill the main character of the empire of man
I think Purty has the obliterator virus and is actually low key the most powerful.
Guess you don't read the novels then
Hint: He didn't create the virus
@@christiandauz3742 ah yes because has=create.
Guess you didn't graduate from preschool then
@@thebighoney9034so what makes you think he has the virus? Rather than being a demon primarch?
@@jacoboddie5364 so what makes you think he had a contract with one of the gods? Rather than being inflicted by the virus on his own accord?
@@thebighoney9034he’s chaos undivided. That or they could change it to him making a bargain with Vashtor
I like to think peterabo is sitting out because he is not a demon and is dealing with added disease ontop of his wound from dealing with mortarion using the exteme of his tech to fight the disease turning grey from it. I want to see perturabo go join the leagues of V and plug into one of their super construction computers as his body gives out more and give us proper chaos dwarves as he clearly is one. His personality is also 50% AM from "I have no mouth" already.
Halfbreed CONFIRMS he's a Daemon Prince
How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be a cool video idea
I like to think that Perty lost the battle against Mortarion coz he isnt really a demon prince. So that would explain why he lost despite him being a superior tactician and commander also making it in lore reazons with his characters prettyy cool. Coz he would never sell his soul to chaos.
I had never thought about it before but you make a good point, Morty is solid in every category and compared to most of his traitor brothers he seems easier to work with. Death Guard are probably valuable allies if you can ignore/survive the smell.
Him and Perty but Perty has been afk for thousands of years while Mortarion has been very proactive as far as Daemon Primarchs go.
What will happen if traitors primachs get redeem and the reaction of the universe would be great
No way the original fulgrim will be, angron has a chance if the emperor decided to take him back then remove the B-nails, no way kurze will become loyalist again (yeah, he regrets everything but he hates everyone)perturabo is same as kurze. lorgar, magnus and mortarion are too far gone. Alpharius is dead (maybe omegon knows how to revive him since he's the other half of soul) and maybe omegon is playing both sides secretly (cypher).
@@ReverseBatman40k Doubt that. They couldn't remove the nails before, I doubt they would be able to now. Besides, Angron would never accept and the Emperor has no reason to redeem a primarch legion that's only known for it's bloodshed. I agree that the original Fulgrim is Lost. Kurze would only be possible if Emps somehow would be able to remove the visions from Kurze's genes/teach him how to handle them + invested hundreds of years to try and make amends to Kurze for not being there for him like he was there for other primarchs. Kurze would maybe accept reconciliation as he doesnt care about his legion anyway. Again, What goal would it serve to the Emperor, who is not really known for his great ability of self reflection. Perty will never accept. Mortarion could be redeemed, Emps said so himself, but I doubt Mortarion would do so out of loyalty, more likely to get back at Nurgle and Typhus for enslaving him and his legion. Lorgar is mad. He could be redeemed I think, but as a zealot. Something Emps hated before. Maybe if Emps embraced his godhood status and would have need for faith/prayer/rituals etc etc Lorgar would be useful to him. Lorgar would probably also only redeem himself if the Chaos Gods are defeated and the warp has been cut off. (But where does that leave the emperor as a warp god?) Magnus can be redeemed if he has all his soul shards and I am sure Emps would have a use for him. Emps would need a way to fix the gene issues of the thousands sons though. Maybe Cawl made a stock of primaris marines that could house the spirits of the rubric marines, showing Magnus and Ahriman there is a future without the risk of turning into warpspawn. Alpharius/Omegon is a brain breaker. I do think at least 1 of the 2 remained loyal, but i dont know which one of them died or if they died at all to begin with.
@@aljrvh no way I'm gonna read that
@@aljrvh emperor is godly yeah he can fix the butcher's nails, making celestine a demon prince is easy for him so fixing angron is piece of cake
I would love to know what your theory would be If perturabo and the iron warriors stayed loyal and how that would change the setting and congrats of 500k
Angron vs Sangy is a fun read because it really put into perspective how strong sangy is.
Imagine if Chaos had succeeded in corrupting him
@@christiandauz3742 Chaos would have better chance corrupting Big E. lol. The angel was the purest soul in the galaxy.
@@someperson1829
Yet they almost did
Had Meros not disobeyed his Primarch and entered the Rage casket then Sanginius would have gone in and be corrupted
Chaos easily wins the Heresy
@@christiandauz3742 That's a wishful thinking from a chaosite. lol. But there's no reason in denying that Chaos won the Heresy, Chaos won just by the fact that it happened.
@@someperson1829
Uh, you don't read the novels do you?
Meros is the sole reason Horus lost the Heresy
Fulgrim: We believe in nothing, Lebowski. And tomorrow we come back and we cut off your Johnson.
The seeming mindlessness of Angron is also a strength, he doesn't hold back ever. The fact that he does not fear death - in fact he WANTS to die so he can finally know peace - is also a huge red flag that he is not to be messed with.
The fight between Perturabo and angron was a classic. Basically leashed the beast
Great video MK, personally I'd give the top spot to Mortarion though.
It was mentioned how Mortarion caused a corrosive plague that withered away at the iron warriors & how Angron gets beaten by "being a fucking retard" 😂 Way I see it is Mortarion would put his flight to better use, his pistol ("the lantern" I think it's called) as well as causing plagues & disease to debuff, corrode, sicken & overall influence the angry fuckhead would combo up. If angron doesn't win in a short fight I think 9 times out of 10 Mortarion can endure & carve him down.
Angrons best bet would be to end it quick, that's where the wings matter (yes they both have them but morty isn't cooked enough to let himself get pummelled). Distance shots, plague & flight. After that, attrition.
The Iron Warriors and their Traitor Titans killed a lot of DG during the Rust and Ruin
@christiandauz3742 Since I posted my comment I've learnt more about the Iron Warriors & Perturabo.
I'd say they're a stronger force than Angron & his legion.
I can fully believe that in a war Perturabo could beat Mortarion however I do think that battle can go either way depending on external factors & such.
I wanna see Fulgrim back in the mix. One of the only true Primarch killers, id love to see the EC get a line refresh and some time in the light.
Slaneesh and her ilk suffer from the same thing the lgbt+×÷% community. Their identity is far too dependent upon their method.
I think its also worthy of note that Perty still has Ferrus’ hammer Forgebreaker, but with added daemonic shenanigans and improvements. Also Perty was mentally powerful enough to resist Fulgrim’s attempts at sacrificing him. I think he’d definitely be a beast if we saw him get off his chair.
I wonder in the form of Warp Manipulation would this change anything, like that is Lorgar's speciality, that yes in the overall categories Lorgar looses but against each other, finding out how to counter their Daemon essence like how he beat Fulgrim.
Speaking of really think when Fulgrim comes back he should kill Khaldor Drago, taking out a big enough powerful lore character part of the Imperium raises the stakes, and it being one infamous for beating a Daemon Primarch would be fitting.
I'd probably have put mortarion over angron because command power is, at least in my eyes, more valuable than all others. I mean look at macharius, he wasn't even a primarch but did more than most of those for the imperium. So if you'd have gone for "the strongest" I'd give it to angron, but the most powerful (over all) to mortarion. But I agree it is a tough one, I also agree with the rest of the ranking.
Morty does have an actual functional legion.
I dunno, I feel like Fulgrim, Angron and Mortarian are almost like a rock, paper scissors situation.
Though I think it comes down between Fulgrim and Angron, Morty is just too slow for me to think he'd be able to Tank enough of Fulgrim's hits before he goes down, the two of them are both tough thanks to their healing abilities, but if Morty lost to Jaghatai while Daemon Ascended, speed and skill with a blade seems like something he struggles against besides raw power.
Out of the strongest Primarch Duelists Fulgrim was always up there with Leman, Lion, Sanguinius and Conrad, but especially now I think he's well suited to take Mortarian down if he really tried.
As far as who I think would win between Angron and Fulgrim, honestly I dunno! Angron is devastating if he can land a hit, but thats the thing, I don't know if he'd be able to land enough hits on Fulgrim consistently enough to slow him down before he can regenerate or before all the cuts he'd get for each over swing starts to add up.
Personally I'd give Fulgrim the win in terms of a 1v1 situation between the traitors.
I don’t even need to watch the whole video too know this is gonna be good
Honestly, if Magnus hadn't lost a lot of his shards and was actually whole, I fully believe he would be one of the strongest primarch
He'd be way more powerful than anyone. He once took on six Space Wolves dreadnoughts and won. He's been only defeated via hacks due to his many many weaknesses.
@@paimonisfood4986You mean he was defeated because ADB always prays on his downfall
I am convinced that when the emperor was looking for warp gods, he came upon Xochipilli, the Aztec God of Homosexual Prostitution, and he was just in a hurry, already did the other 19, and just said fuck it. How bad can it turn out.
That's how we got lorgar.
What kind of powerups are the loyalist Primarchs showing? Corvus got his raven form, The Lion got his forest walk warp travel - any others been shown or hinted at?
Lorgar fought Girlyman to a stalemate before Daemonhood. Not to mention he is probably the most gifted Pysker besides Magnus. I know you exaggerate for humor but there is probably a legitimate Argument for Lorgar.
Always good to see the lobotomized giant demon with anger issues and the smelliest primarch of them all get some love. Underrated as hell imo
He’s not really lobotomized, he just has constant brain hemorrhages and headaches
He can still think and talk
Love seeing Morty being appreciated!
@@Goblinhandler fair enough, although I'll maintain that the nails have overridden so much of what he was supposed to be that I have trouble seeing him otherwise
@@sl33pyhollow they took away most of his primarch abilities (although some seem to remain)
And most lore channels seem to think the WE hate Angron, when it’s just some of Terran born veterans that do
They love to overblow how bad he really was
Atleast MK backtracked and said Fulgrim was the worst
@@Goblinhandler that's what I'm saying. Angron has lost A LOT of his primarch abilities due to the damn nails. And even with that, he was still tough as hell and was one of the best when it came up to actual combat. However he's still brain fried
(really why I like the roboutian heresy, even if fan made it gives us a theory of how he could have been even greater)
Majorkill, what about a video stating what Malcador's duties and responsibilities in the imperium were? Every time I look it up all I can find is that he was the emperor's advisor and friend.
Ironically the most dangerous is probably Lorgar.
His knowledge of Chaos and its nature is beyond anyone’s probably even beyond the Emperor’s.
Can you do a video about the feast of Blades?
Magnus can brain pop entire planets with a thought.. nobody else even comes close to magnus
Lorgar is stronger than Magnus at this point psychically.
@@therealistintheboot8822you mean more powerful than individual fragments of magnus*
I can only hope Perturabo looks as cool as he does in the illustration you used, the second one.
A good video would be how cato sicarius whent from a meme to character development, mainly his severe PTSD.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT
Before watching the video I'm predicting that magnus is the weakest one, he took so many Ls since he came back, even if he should be the strongest one in terms of raw power. I'm convinced tzeentch made him weaker to mess with him or something.
Nah just loyalist space marine plot armor
@@iTxip True, but both mortarion and angron did a lot more damage overall
I would find interesting, Majorkill's description of the Primarchs's brief childhood. How their pods crashed and found, their first interaction with Humans (or lack thereof) and how these brief formative years would shape their character.
Top 5 easter eggs in 40k, like how mount rushmore still exists, soviet era gear was found in 40k that sort of thing
FULGRIM FOLDED EVERYONE, SO HE BETTER BE FIRST or 3rd
Luv the iron warriors hate the imperal fists
A video about all Tau auxiliaries would be great content and give some deserved attention to Xenos.
You're going to have to reassess this when Konrad comes back as a Drukhari Demon Flesh crafter.
First purchase of the Merch Shop was the Singlet, and I’m excited for when it shows!! Thanks for the merch drop Major!!😂🥳🤩🤩
The art you put of Corvus fighting Lorgar is so cool
Per usual, nicely done man.
Man I love listening to Majorkill videos that’ve stacked up over the week on my Wednesdays off.
Just doing house chores while listening to the absolute Chad Beast. ❤️💀🖤
I like fulgrim the most of those 6! Love snakes and demons. Great combination and the best god
We know very well why Perturabo isn't active. He just doesn't give a toss and just wants to sulk in his room and do what he wants.
I'm keen to see GW do something with Perty and Lorgs, in both current literature and minis. But I assume that Fulgrim will be the next Daemon primarch to be focused on in the lore as Emperors Children are an established traitor legion on the tabletop while Word Bearers and Iron Warriors are pretty much simply paint schemes.
I personally think it would be cool if Abaddon was able to orchestrate the fall of one of the loyalist primarchs in the current setting. Would do a bit to erase his 13 failures while elevating a Big Bad.
Like, imagine a fallen Vulcan...
Never thought id see a majorkill tierlist vid that placed Angron at the top. Oh how times change.
juwt wanted to say congrats on the merch drop success and the 500k bro! love the streams too. sorry i couldnt pick things up have life things. not in anyway a backhanded comment. cant wait for future content and merch! the beer cozy is still goin strong haha
Hmmm, we haven’t seen anything from Lorgar. But the only thing I can say that’d give him an edge over his brother’s is if he knew their true daemon name. That would be his only saving grace I’d argue
Really diggin the hair-do, Major! HOO-HA! 💪
Loved the Video. Yous should do the Red Gobbo next!
Something I would like to point out about the Perty v Morty - Perterabo is a LOT more range combat oriented than he is geared towards close quarters/melee. Does this make him a slouch in a brawl? Not at all. But I think if he had been allowed to play more to his strengths during that fight, it might have been more of a stalemate. Or, at the very least, it wouldn't have been as one sided
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BRO!
As someone who is slowly getting into Warhammer I appreciate all of these videos.
Before watching i would like to think either angron because of his insane resurrection or pertrabo as he may be a primarch tier dreadnaught
post video: did not expect fulgrim to be as highly ranked, and forgot mortarion being so powerful
possible video: could the deamon primarchs enter age of sigmar and what would happen
"Johnny Bravo hair"
Major really showing his age there.
Hello Majorkill,
Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.
Not sure if Fulgrim’s loss to Rogal should be counted in this. Fulgrim was in his “Normal Primarch Form” during the duel. Just not sure that should be counted in a 1v1 against his fellow daemon primarchs. Unless we are going with the pride weakness show during that fight, that is definitely his greatest weakness
He got bored and left lol
You got me good with that intro joke xD. Hi im just starting my way into 40K and ive been consuming your content more than chaos consumed baldie boi horus. Anyways love the content man!
I think that Perty is like Corvus he has spent so much time in the warp that he’s been refined and has actualized his mental self
I really hope Perturabo is the next Traitor to reenter the setting
Same
Damn, last time I was this early Timmy was still a reoccurring character
Now that's what up, angron has proven that his nuts are made of skulls and that's all we need to know
The Lion and Fulgrim meet
Lion: I heard you slit my brother Guillimans throat.
Fulgrim: uhhh, I thought you were dead...
Lion: I heard you can't die, good. I have A LOT of anger to release, about 10,000 years of it.
Fulgrim: uh oh.
THIS IS THE VIDEO WE NEEEDED THANKS BRO
Passages from "Angel Exterminatus" and "Slaves To Darkness" reference that Perturabo's soul is being siphoned in a way that resembles what happens to the Drukhari. Some theorize that Perturabo has been missing from the setting, because he didn't ACTUALLY go daemon. In his refusal to bend to Chaos, he's been spending his time trying to stop, or circumvent that siphoning. Essentially turning himself into a Dreadnought. Others say that he just kind of decided, "fukkit" and went daemon because it was the only way. Backed into a corner, similarly to Magnus and Mortarion.
But the quote about how Perturabo and The Iron Warriors want to force order upon Chaos really reminded me of a different theory. There's that one theory that talks about how the Emperor was ACTUALLY actively seeking Godhood. He wanted to become a fifth Chaos God, and basically be a Chaos God of "Order"
This is such a tin-foil hat, cooked conspiracy, that I think could be somewhat correct for no other reason than the fact that it is so insanely, "wtf" But here it is;
I would open up the theory by referencing to the fight between Guilliman, and Mortarion. Where the Emperor basically possessed Guilliman's body to completely dunk on Mortation. The biggest thing that pressed Perturabo to go traitor, was his jealousy and anger towards Dorn. By the time we get to the Siege of Terra, Perturabo is kind of done with everybody's bullshit. But just stayed traitor because he was just kind of way too invested at this point. He was over all of the bullshit, so he busted up the palace and basically said, "Alright, cool, I've fulfilled my oath, I upheld my end of the bargain, I don't really have anything else for y'all, GLHF." withdrawing all of his forces and ragequitting. Perturabo regretted going traitor after he saw how far his brothers plunged into madness. But it isn't like he could ever come back to the Imperium. I would also like to note the Fulgrim clone. The Fulgrim clone was perfect. Since his original body got yoinked by the daemon. And then there was the Horus clone. The Horus clone was a little piece of shit. But the Fulgrim clone was LITERALLY him. The Primarchs are not their bodies. The Primarchs are their souls. Perturabo's soul is being siphoned / eaten away. And he regrets going traitor. Perturabo and the Emperor have such a hardcore anti-god/anti-warp mindset. What if Perturabo comes back as like, an "avatar of order", the Emperor is filling the gap of Perturabo's soul. Emperor is channeling himself through Perturabo in a way. Or similarly to the Sanguinor, what if Perturabo comes back as like, "an imperial daemon"?
Writing this has also made me consider another conspiracy that is a MILLION times more cooked. Vashtorr is such an interesting Chaos entity. This dude doesn't play around. He doesn't do deceptive-daemon shit. He just has a good time being the arms dealer of Chaos. Just chilling at The Forge Of Souls making stuff, and the Chaos Gods don't really mess with him, cause I mean, he literally makes their shit, so they can't really get rid of him. The warp is completely unstable.The Chaos Gods have to begrudgingly accept his existence because of how influential he is. This lad literally binds lesser daemons to his will via contract. And Perturabo is known for his expert craftsmanship, and innovation. Vashtorr owes no allegiance to anything but himself. Even the high and mighty all-powerful pantheon of Chaos is essentially stuck kneeling to The Arkifane due to his purpose. What if Perturabo found a way to master the Warp...? What if he truly found a way to dominate it? What if Vashtorr IS Perturabo? Vashtorr is just a version of Perturabo from the future, finding Vashtorr in the current setting due to a combination of time shenanigans, and warp spaghetti. Or Vashtorr is a version of Perturabo from an alternative universe/timeline/reality. Or at the very least, due to the soul drainage it might not be Perturabo COMPLETELY, but what if there are just pieces / remnants of Perturabo within Vashtorr? Kind of like how Magnus was shattered into the various shards. Those shards are incredibly powerful, with Malcedor literally creating The Gray Knights using them. So what if it's something somewhat similar?
The comment about hair was not necessarry but now that you mention it.. :D much fun to look at :D
Cool vid wondering this for a while
Magnus and Lorgar are the only ones capable of unleashing catastrophes that could devour solar system to entire galactic regions.
Magnus through sheer sorcerous knowledge and energy pool and Lorgar through demonic knowledge from the Chaos Gods and the unique powers granted through their worship.
• Ruinstorm blockading entire regions of space.
• The entire Fang system turned desolate.
• Literally transporting a planet from deep in the warp and into real space etc. (Insane energy output, tearing apart the reinforced fabric of real space due to the pylons and even piercing through the volatile sea of the warp!) - Imagine if this apocalyptic level energy was directed into a killing ray pointed at a system.
• Magnus being the only one to directly assault the Emperor spiritually during the Siege of Terra, and having Vulkan needed to get rid of him to lessen the burden on Emps.
I still say perturabo. Mortaran win was mainly his rot making the planet not worth the effort. Also from his conversation with honsu, he seems more like his pre herarcy self and a lot more introspection.
Majorkill i think we need a video on that workout routine.
Didn't you ask about this yesterday? Damn you make content quick, I'm jealous.
majorkill plz do a video about how each pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guilliman's situation
How I think it would go:
Lion - He would do well in terms of battle and with a united Dark Angels he would definitely smash a few of the threats better but he would be a lot less tolerable than Guilliman and would struggle with The High Lords and Inquisition and especially the God-Emperor worship.
Fulgrim - if it was Fulgrim before he discovered his favourite penis sword then he would do well. He would struggle like many with the ecclesiarchy but he was a strong and bold commander who could have done very well in the battles.
Perturabo - He would have been in his element. With The Imperium beseiged on all sides and so many armies to utilise he would secure the defences. Maybe being the only primatch around would make him less spicy but I doubt it.
Jaghati Khan - He would ignore all the politics and just travel from enemy to enemy slicing them up before moving on leaving the rest to the people already in charge.
Leman Russ - He would struggle quite a bit. His fury at what the Imperium has become would be very strong. I imagine he would have many internal battles aswell as fighting enemies across the galaxy.
Rogal Dorn - Mister no nonsense himself would hate being alone. He would definitely go to war with the ecclesiarchy but would be successful stopping a lot of the Imperiums threats.
Konrad Kurze - Wouldn't know what to do. He would activate Space Batman Mode and go on mass killing sprees. Like before the heresy.
Sanguinius - His heart would break seeing what The Imperium has become but his love and compassion for humanity would help him unite everyone. His crusades would be legendary.
Ferrus Manus - Similar in a way to Rogal his no nonsense approach and hard-headed nature would lead to him fighting the enemy without and within to restore what he thought for.
Angron - Would just kill anything in his way till the nails blew his brains up.
Mortarian - Always a jack of all trades in terms of primarch abilities. He would survive and help the Imperium but not to the same extent as others.
Magnus - His psychic gifts would batter Chaos forces and help push them back but his arrogance would probably lead him to doing something stupid.
Horus - The stress he felt as Warmaster would be trebled but he would be able to survive it. He would struggle knowing the Emperor is wasting away on the throne.
Lorgar - Despite being weak in terms of primarchs he would be excellent bringing a massive new wave of belief in the God-Emperor granting him big power boosts like the Sisters of Battle get.
Vulkan - Would give everyone a massive hug accidently crushing them to pulp and exterminating all races he came in contact with.
Corvus Corax - He would be similar to Jsghati as he would go off and do his own thing for the Imperium.
Alpharius/Omegon - They would sort the internal issues within the Imperium easy enough but may struggle more with the multiple races trying to obliterate mankind.
To conclude the only one I think could potentially stand a chance of doing as good a job as Bobby G is maybe Lorgar.
Lmfao "Aids Ragu" is definitely a part of my vocabulary now, thank you for that one
Lorgar would crush all the other traitors into a ball of 1mm with his telekinesis!
Cool as always.