Look, as far as *I'm* concerned (in other words, I'm only speaking for myself), John could literally commit Call Of Duty level war crimes and I'd still forgive him. But only on the condition that he eats more Caribbean food. Otherwise, he's going to get tortured worse than Griffith.
Wait, are you actually 60, or was that hyperbole? And if actually 60, I’m curious like you’re obviously keeping up with anime, have you always watched anime? Do you intend to keep up with it? What do you think of the direction and evolution of the medium in your life?
@@startingfromlevelone9510 nah, I'm 27. Though if you're curious about an old man's opinion on anime and manga,there is that WeebMD channel the boys have spoken about
I can believe the claims that "the Shibuya Incident isn't what could have been". I loved the Mahoraga vs Sukuna episode, but the Blu-Ray adding entire minutes of fight scene to that episode that were unfinished at time of release really made me realize what a clusterfuck was happening behind the scenes. Especially with how the legendary animator Hakuyu Go (who worked on that episode) is apparently donezo with Mappa after what went down.
Those reveals on Twitter absolutely sent me. They were so many little additions that made THE BIGGEST difference in making that fight in particular easier to follow. And the fight is supposed to be chaos but it’s crazy that it, and by proxy the entire season, could have been that much easier to digest had the animators had more time. Combine that with some of the issues the manga had, and it really does feel like JJK is cursed a little bit
I think Jon and Woolie have a special kind of friendship. I think we all want that friend who is excited to talk to you about literally anything you're interested in.
Idea for John/Woolie/editor/whoever reads this: For the Pantheon of greatness, could we have each entry coloured to correspond to who recommended it? Since John has a blue border, his recommendations could be blue, and Woolie's border is orange, so his recommendations are orange. It'll be a nice way to remember who submitted what, and also a cool way to visualise the "winner" of the table as it stands.
Watching the friendship era is like reading the golden age arc, because its so beautiful to watch these people open up to each other, and you just know that one little change in outlook is going to lead to horrible events
I really wanna thank John for doing the due dilligence of bringing up the awful working environment for the production of JJK season 2. Its great to have someone with your reach to discuss the ugly side of media with the seriousness you do.
I could write a full essay on how using the magical realism within the world of twin peaks to create an endearing and silly scene that also shortens the long crime procedural process of an investigation of all of the POIs is so genius
Woolie more or less bouncing off of Twin Peaks is very unsurprising to me. Woolie is someone who is VERY much focused on figuring things out and trying to know what’s going on at all times, which basically makes David Lynch his antithesis as a human.
I feel like John really isn't doing himself any favors on the "I'm not the Villain of this podcast!" front when he's rocking Malevolent Shrine on the thumbnail
So unbelievably hyped that you guys are talking Twin Peaks this time! I literally finished watching the show for the first time like 2 months ago. I absolutely loved it. One of the best shows I’ve ever watched. So ready for this!
3:07:37 Exactly! This is why the Choso fight is my favorite in the entire season, I just enjoy a lot more a well choreographed and directed fight scene than the spectacle of laser beams and shit being thrown around. Similar reason why my favorite fight of Mob Psycho 100 is the one with the Blind Teleporter Guy
Great podcast so far, but I think Mascara Snake-kuns mic might be off 'cause I'm not hearing him AT ALL, and that's a problem because he's my favorite host 🐍
@@-Fraud Oh absolutely, but him going "Oh yeah I know what's going on here." when I know for a fact that he can't and then makes up an explanation is very funny, especially by it supposing that Sukuna would ever care about protecting Yuji in any situation
It’s even more frustrating because there’s literally nothing to speculate about. It’s outright confirmed by the end of the season but I guess either they both weren’t paying attention or just completely forgot
@@31Moth13 I don't expect him to be correct until Mama Kenjaku is shown, but I also think going "Yeah here's what happened" when there's no possibility he could've known and then getting it wrong is just funny
Man they got into so much with the Shibuya Incident but barely touched on Nanami and Kugisaki's deaths, especially with how they lead into Todo's magnificent entrance.
Yeah, it felt kinda weird that they basically glossed over the entire Mahito fight. Which sucks, given how Mahito is an incredible villain and the perfect foil to Yuji
In Dale Cooper's defense, literally the entire world was like YOWZA seeing Sherilyn Fenn as Audrey. It helped that she was actually like 24-25 when they were filming.
In Dale Cooper's defense, the network tampered with her age and he was caught in a hold over plot line until his actor dragged him out because he thought it was inappropriate. It literally took the higher powers to pull him out of that metaphorical death spiral, not his fault.
As huge and impressive as the Shibuya Incident was, the pacing always felt to me like we missed an arc between what came before and Shibuya itself. I'm probably in the minority, but it kinda raced to clear the board of folks we could have used more time with.
@@pandagamer-hg5be As much as Akutami is a genuine talent, the series would have been better served by actually writing his characters with arcs rather than getting lost in the minutia of yet another power system.
Yeah it suffers from the same problem a lot of modern anime does in that it kind of seemed to want to race to the finish line. It could easily have ran as long as Naruto did or longer and still have had no filler. Think Shibuya would have been even more mind blowing if a few of the characters were more established
Sonething I really love about Twin Peaks that differentiates it even more from the TV shows at the time is it was shot on location. It gives so many more scenes so much more depth than they would have on a set. They're able to do so many more interesting camera angles and lighting than they would be able to if there weren't a 4th wall there.
I think one aspect of Twin Peaks that sadly often gets overshadowed by Lynch is Mark Frost. One the main reasons Twin Peaks doesn't feel as weird and far out as other Lynch works is partly his influence in both the production and the screen writing. Most of the parts of the show that aren't traditionally "Lynchian" are most likely his contribution and so it's a bit sad to barely hear him mentioned in discussions about the show and how most people assume this is just Lynch being held back or underdeveloped
Also I think people tend to play up Lynch's eccentricities as a writer/director. He definitely prefers the weird and abstract but he's also perfectly capable of writing a more straightforward grounded story.
Conversely the parts of season 2 that people issue caveats about are at least as much a product of Frost’s absence on account of/focus on other projects as Lynch’s. I mean, for one thing that’s the season where Lynch starts showing up as an onscreen character, you’d presume neither of them exactly checked all the way out!
I have no idea how Woolie comes to the conclusion that Sukuna's message to Jogo was "Sucks to suck" it is the EXACT OPPOSITE OF THAT. He steps into his death dream and goes "You were cool, actually. Good try."
@@wielderofthetriforce1934 There's nothing to interpret! Sukuna shows up and literally gases him up, he says NOTHING but compliments! He talks about how even in the Heian era Jogo would have been considered among the top Curses, that he had fun fighting him, and that he was strong! All with a completely straight face! It's one of the defining moments of Sukuna's character. It's the thing that makes him more than a mustach twirling villain, his positive trait is that he recognizes and acknowledges the virtues of others! I think we need to stop saying Woolie "Misinterprets" things. He doesn't. He just forgets how they happened and then makes up a story in his head that he thinks more or less sounds right.
@@fell5514 i guess he thought Sukuna might have been facetious, because of how much of a bastard he is. Not saying Woolie isn't still wrong in thinking that tho, with how Sukuna doesn't, at any point, pull any joke or trick during that moment to ruin Jogo's moment during death. He does that moment complete straight, giving the audience no reason to expect him to be disingenuous in the praise he was giving.
Uhh... I'm guessing you guys are just 'remembering' what happened and not watching what happened? Remember that whole part where he shows up and says "Oh you wanted to be human? Or just have their position or whatever? That's pretty stupid. You should have burned everything to the ground to get to Gojo. You weren't hungry enough to get what you wanted." That's how he *opens* that scene. I guess none of you remember that because you all seem to agree he didn't say it, but you can literally type that into RUclips and find the scene yourselves. It has to be easier to find that clip and watch it than write an essay about what you vaguely remember from the show.
1:02:33 Fun fact - Alex Hirsch originally wanted David Lynch to voice Bill Cypher. When they couldn't get him, Alex just did a David Lynch impression for the character voice.
I looked at the runtime for the first time when John reminded us this was the first triple-topic at 6:06 and holy crap, 4 hours of Versus Wolves??? We're eating good today folks
1:47:35 This is almost exactly why I hate the term "overrated". I'd qualify it with: overrated is trying to impose the idea that how people feel about something is objectively invalid instead of a subjective experience, to make the person exclaiming "overrated" feel like they're objectively right instead of just a subjective take that only goes as far as themselves. It's different than saying, "It's shit." because that means you hate it, and the subjectivity that it's your opinion is implied. "Overrated" implies other people are stupid.
An English lit professor I had described a character type as a "Vera" in a way that really aligned with Audrey I found. Smarter than they appear, more aware of things at their age compared to others, and really capable of knowing how they can manipulate people. Audrey's characterization shifts with the episodes thanks to that duck in and out with David's involvement in the show, but especially in that pilot episode where Audrey just fouls up her dad's business with fantastic tact, class-A "Vera" move.
I love Dale Cooper's techniques like the rock throwing. It reminds me of the Dirk Gently character from Douglas Adams' books (Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency and The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul). A private investigator who investigates based on the interconnectedness of all things. In one of the books you learn that his method of navigation when driving is to just pick another car and follow it, trusting that while it may not lead him to where he intends to go, it will lead him to where he needs to be.
Twin Peaks is the type of show that I am not surprised when people say they dont like it, but I do feel SORRY for them because BOY are you missing on the wildest ride ever. I didnt like it at all at first but eventually I forced myself to sit down and watch the entire first season and I am so glad I did. I only watched it some years ago and yet I feel a sense of nostalgia for it like I watched it back when it originally aired. My personal recommendation is to watch the first season, then power through season 2 with the knowledge that most of it wasnt written by Lynch, then go watch Fire Walk With Me regardless if you liked the TV show or not, and then finally go watch season 3 to experience pure Lynch kino. And if you want to know how really insane is what you experienced, you can go watch or read all the theories about Twin Peaks that people came up with.
One common and understandable mistake ppl make is thinking Sakuna did something to Choso. In that Scene, Sakuna is just expressing dissapointed that Yuji lost the fight. Yuji is actually legit one of Choso's brothers and Choso can feel when his brothers are on the brink of death. That's why he went all loopy because it's such a surprise that he would feel that way when he's about to kill yuji. Sakuna didn't do anything he was just watching Yuji die and was like bruh
I wish I did, but I know the animation is at least half the fun, so I'll happily tank the spoilers. ...Again, because I've already seen stuff about the Shibuya Incident.
Sad that Woolie already read Chainsaw Man before this podcast, the only person he ever gave his thoughts to was Pat who really didn't know anything about it. I guess there's always part 2 whenever it finishes if Woolie isn't keeping up with it.
1:40:15 I don't think this is Lynch hating his audience per say... more or less it was like, "OK, you think this murder mystery is fun and quirky but here's the thing; brutal murder IS brutal murder!" David was like; "here is what happened exactly. Do you feel better about what you've seen? Because this is the truth." FWWM is grim! Dark! And will hurt to watch; but it all makes sense... especially if you have seen the full series.
If I were to describe my notion of The Essential David Lynch Thing it’d be asking “How could you do this? Why would you do this?” - about evil acts but also lots of other human behavior - and not wanting to just dismiss it as inexplicable, feeling like if you burrowed down and earnestly pulled away as many veils as possible you’d arrive at true knowledge of some kind, and turning up a hell of a lot of compelling new datapoints in the process, but still feeling some sort of fundamental lack or mystery no matter how far you go. He achieves some world-record Vibes over the course of this process but I think every minute of it, however cute or nightmarish, is an attempt to document that essential inscrutability and our obligation to wade into it.
3:11:03 ok this is just wrong, Choso says that he can feel anything that happens to his blood related brothers so when Yuji near dies he senses him almost dying making him realize that Yuji is actually his brother, the memories don't have anything to do with sukuna it's literally just to visualize Choso seeing yuji alongside all of his siblings
Common misconception. When the manga dropped and even when the season was new people were still confused about all that. It took several more volumes before the twist stuck for a lot of people.
@@matehiqu9905 That's valid but the issue is that it's not a spoiler. You're supposed to take what Choso says at face value, the author just did a really bad job presenting it and opened the door to alternative explanations.
Man, as a kid who grew up in Toronto - where there's tons of Caribbean and West Indian Restaurants to choose from - I cannot stress enough how good West Indian Food is! If you like meat and broth served on rice (with a little big of a kick), do yourself a favor and try it out! It's Fantastic!
Hey Versus Wolves. I just wanted to say thank you. Its been a really rough month but through the power of anime, friendship, spite, and *legal and safe amounts of mind altering substances*, your podcast helped me get my depressed body out of bed on more than on occasion. But also now i have thoughts on twin peaks and im annoying everyone. But on the plus side an afro Carribean place opened up within walking distance and the roti is life changing.
One interesting thing about Mahoraga is its theorized that people in the Zenin clan like Toji, could probably help Ten-Shadow Users subjugate Mahoraga because he wouldn't "count" as being a part of the Ritual as he doesn't have any cursed energy. But because the Zenin's constantly ostracize people like Toji this never materializes.
Vibes are nice. Certainly part of Twin Peaks appeal. But they are also the seasoning. Seasoning needs to be applied to something. I just want to speak to one element of Twin Peaks, on behalf of one point of view. Not telling the audience anything? That's a good, fun, worthwhile thing. See there's something about a creator making something, handing it to the audience and going, hey, I promise there's an internal logic and through line here. Make of it what you will. Also I will never, ever, confirm or deny if you're "right or wrong" about any of it so long as I live. That's fun! That's engaging! You the audience get to play detective, get to take all the pieces and craft your own world view. That's super cool and worthwhile. At least that's a part of why I love Twin Peaks. And David Lynch in general. Oh, and yeah, insert obligatory, something something, Fromsoftware world building. Because that's exactly it too. Don't tell me. Show me the world, I'll figure it out myself. I don't care if I'm "right or wrong".
@@joedatiusending s2 at the series peak vs ending the manga with a kinda middling conclusion (I liked the end more than most but it was still nothing spectacular especially compared to everything before it and ESPECIALLY compared to Shibuya)
Choso's memory shenanigans were explained in series. They do not have to do with Sukuna. Choso can feel his connection to his brothers, especially when they die. He said in one of the final episodes he could feel that same connection as Yuji was about to be killed by him. This lead him to believe that they must be related by blood
I think that Jon should still check out Dune Part II out of his own volition. I think he would at least appreciate the historical context of it/just getting how much pop culture is derivative of the original Dune story and how much further Dune pushes its protagonists’ actions compared to its derivatives.
As someone who truly did not care for Dune Part 1, I have to disagree with Woolie. Dune Part 1 felt like the annoying kid in class was keeping me up until 4am reading an entire sci fi wiki. Part 2 finally introduced an emotional center I could connect with. So even tho I still felt a good bit lost about who was related to who and some of the more technical building blocks, the way that it spotlights Paul’s struggles and journey as he fights to decide what he wants to be in the world is why I have Dune Part 2 at the top of my rankings for all movies this year. I would absolutely recommend Jon and anyone who was iffy on Part 1 give Part 2 a shot. Def watch a quick recap video on Part 1 but I think you will enjoy Part 2 if you felt like Part 1 was too much world-building leading to nothing
I recently went through the first book and me and my friends will forever refer to it as the story with too many characters. I feel like you could cut half of them and it would change nothing.
Yuji vs Mahito is probably my favorite fight in the whole series, including what’s not animated yet. It’s just got everything, the choreography, the loss, Todo, everything is firing on all cylinders.
My favorite memory from video games as a kid was my mom coming by while my brother and I were playing Tenkaichi and she saw me lose a character to Hercule and made fun of me for it cause she knew Hercule from just seeing him randomly sometimes when we would watch DBZ
Ngl being Caribbean and seeing our food reduced to like 5 Jamaican dishes (if I'm generous enough to count those "patties" as actual patties lol) and put as low as #10 while a Jamaican/Grenadan offers no argument otherwise feels like a hate crime lmao
Shocked to see Jon bring up Re:Zero again for that fun little comparison about things people find overrated. I do still think what the story is actually about would be completely up his alley (it's probably one of the greatest stories of empathy, depression, and learning how to love yourself and others out there period.) but it's fair to be turned off before you get to that point or cus of other little things/personal tastes. These are still great as ever tho, friendship era is peak c:
I adore Re:Zero but I also have accepted that if someone bounces off of it that there's nothing anyone can say or do that will change thier mind. But that's ok since it's still able to reach those that are actually in need of its message.
@@PredictableEnigma Its one of those shows that you either hit or miss with. It really doesn't help that the main character is built to specifically shoot a kind of person in the face with "YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE" then *reload* and fire again with "AND YOU COULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF YOU TRIED"
I think Re:Zero has some AMAZING character moments, like Rem's confession or Bea's S2 library scene, and I love it for those. But it also makes you slog through things like the whale fight or try to figure out WTF is happening with the plot in S2, which felt like it lacked half the explanations needed for it to be cohesive. Also, did not like at all how they put one of its best characters in ice for all S2. Seems like they don't know how to keep the stakes high with her power around. I would not blame anyone for bouncing off for not feeling the Isekai themes or getting bored during the low points.
Love JJK but I also love in the comments when the major fans get the whiteboard out to explain why everything perfectly makes sense and you should’ve seen this coming or you’ll see it coming 20 chapters down.
I think what they missed is that Sukuna DOESN'T CARE if Yuji dies or not, he would let him die t the bathroom for being so weak as deserved. For him Yuji is a fun pas time until what ever he is plotting (didn't read the manga so no spoilers) happens. Torturing Yuji and trying to make him break while Sukuna and other demons mock that silly human is entertainment as someone messing with ants to get a kick. So far Sukuna has no empathy towards humans (at best he is interested in Megumi for some unknown reason) and the only one he had ANY respect so far was Jogo for, while silly in his way to go for his ideals, actually putting a good fight to the point Sakuna actually praises and acknowledges him as strong before passing on (don't get why Woolie thought the exact opposite of what happened there).
Kill Six Billion Demons gets so insanely hype, it is NOT fair to compare Shibuya Incident to the earliest book of KSBD. Before the dungeon crawl into a God's bank vault, before the Tournament, before the god kings fight, etc. All of the coolest shit is beyond where they read to
So the less Lynchian aspects of Twin Peaks is thanks to Mark Frost, the writer. He and Lynch collaborated in a heart-brain kind of way of writing the story.
kyle mclaughlin is great in whatever he does. He just has a very an interestingly stilted charisma that puts you on edge and at ease at the same time if that makes sense
I love that you can hear John’s mouth start to water when he starts talking about the curry goat snd oxtail. That’s how you know a cook has done their job. That meal has permanently imprinted itself in his brain.
3:10:50 I’m an anime only guy but my theory on the false memory thing is that combined with the fact we know the main villain in control of geto’s body is a body swapper and something is up with yuji’s parents so maybe that villain is literally him and the blood dude’s dad and they are related through him
First time I disagree THISSSS HARD with a ranking from John and Woolie. The shibuya incident is great, I love it, believe me, but it does NOT beat the classic gaming masterpiece that is Shigesato Itoi's Earthbound. Shibuya Incident is an arc, Earthbound is a whole adventure, THE VIBES MAN THE VIBEEEEES. I'm calling recency bias on this one.
I read JJK like two years ago including the Shibuya Incident back when the hype was there. I did not get the appeal. I found the story to be an incoherent mess. Sometimes the embers of a good idea light up but the author seems to be in a rush to make any moment linger. Whenever a character is half developed, their brains will be smeared across the pavement two chapters later. Powers are overexplained but by no means intuitive in understanding them. I see people all the time stating that "if you do a wiki deepdive, it actually makes a lot of sense!" But not only does it feel weak for a story if it has to meet that requirement, I also have yet to be convinced that the latter is actually true. I heard this untold praise and just had to give it another chance, just watched the anime last week. I STILL don't get it at all. Yes, the animation is absolutely wonderful and a real milestone. But it didn't help this arc feeling like a long string of vaguely connected bullshit. So many of its characters are nothing more than their design and some gimmick ability slapped upon them (like MeiMei). I generally wish the show was more about its own topic: Curses. I actually found myself enjoying JJK Zero more because the main character's curse is an actual curse with an interesting backstory. I wish the show in general focused more on that instead of making some Bleach knockoffs bang their heads against each other for hours. Here, I never find myself able to empathise with most curses or curse users (empathise meant really broadly. As in, I can empathise with Hisoka and his motivations, even if they are depraved. Contrast with Mahito's endless irritating cackling). Like, I will never understand how Woolie fails to grasp the core concept of Hunter X Hunter, but somehow is on board with this extremely vaguely defined ruleset and thematic focus. Look yes: I loved many of its awe-inspiring animated moments, but kept wishing that there was a story connected to it that had the ability to make me feel things. And to apply further nuance, I also really appreciate this podcast and your discussion on it. The enthusiasm did rub off on me to watch the show and also made me give it my all to let the story wash over me and see what resonated. I found myself loving Sukuna as an irredeemable POS, and I do like the dynamic where the good guys have their strongest ally in the form of Gojo. The bad guys do become at least somewhat more interesting by being on the backfoot like that. EDIT: To underscore why this show is confusing, just read the comments here about the Chose V Yuji fight. Literally everyone has a different explanation as to why those fake memories were triggered. There probably is a correct explanation, but if it is apparantly this confusing, then what is the point?
I have mothing to add to your point, but I have to point out that the reason Woolie gets nothing out of HxH is because 1. He watched the old, slow-as-molases show first, & saw nearly no Nen. And 2. When he watched the remake, only on John's prompting, hmit was tainted by Naruto having done the same thing but slightly different. HxH will always be "cartoony OOT Naruto" in his head.
@CosetteTape yeah and that's fair enough. I dont want to give the sense that I believe that Woolie "has" to like HXH or anything, that would be ridiculous and everyone can have their own preferences. I just have trouble 'getting' the show in the same manner that a lot of other people seem to be on board. They debate so many minutia in HxH but take so much of this show's baffling elements for granted that I just had to vent my frustrations, even if it feels like an "old man yells at cloud" moment from my end.
@@somniloguy12 Ohhh I misread your point. It's simple, then, actually: The fact that it rolls through its bullshit in a "childhood playground fight" manner is what makes it digestible to him. HxH spends entire episodes writing rulebooks for encounters that only get used for one fight, or even sometimes one EPISODE. That is what put him off early HxH, but Kaiji & Yorknew got him much more into it.
Hearing Woolie list off cool Shibuya stuff after reading the manga is a sad experience. Cause with everything cool that happens im like "yeah that goes nowhere" "yeah that was just rule of cool and didnt mean anything"
@@joedatius Difference is when Dragonball does rule of cool it's not presenting it as a mystery box or potential plot thread. Sukuna's Open Furnace being a "well known technique" for an example in the video
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I've always wondered how Twin Peaks, the Shibuya Incident, and Caribbean food stack up against each other. Glad someone finally hashed this out.
"Look, I'm gonna get more Caribbean food, I'm not fucking playing Policenauts again" © golden quotes of Versus Wolves
Look, as far as *I'm* concerned (in other words, I'm only speaking for myself), John could literally commit Call Of Duty level war crimes and I'd still forgive him. But only on the condition that he eats more Caribbean food. Otherwise, he's going to get tortured worse than Griffith.
@@antonhanna2423May his name be forgotten
@@StanNotSoSaint Amen to that, no questions asked. Casca deserved better than that, even by dark fantasy standards.
In some ways the friendship arc is infinitely more stressful than we started out with, because now we have something to lose.
All eras come to an end and every tine they call it the "Friendship era" it makes me nervous
when Woolie called Gurenn Lagann contemporary, i did an audible chuckle, then looked at the 60 year old man in the mirror.
Oh buddy. Wake up. We're old.
Wait, are you actually 60, or was that hyperbole? And if actually 60, I’m curious like you’re obviously keeping up with anime, have you always watched anime? Do you intend to keep up with it? What do you think of the direction and evolution of the medium in your life?
@@startingfromlevelone9510 nah, I'm 27. Though if you're curious about an old man's opinion on anime and manga,there is that WeebMD channel the boys have spoken about
I can believe the claims that "the Shibuya Incident isn't what could have been". I loved the Mahoraga vs Sukuna episode, but the Blu-Ray adding entire minutes of fight scene to that episode that were unfinished at time of release really made me realize what a clusterfuck was happening behind the scenes. Especially with how the legendary animator Hakuyu Go (who worked on that episode) is apparently donezo with Mappa after what went down.
Those reveals on Twitter absolutely sent me. They were so many little additions that made THE BIGGEST difference in making that fight in particular easier to follow. And the fight is supposed to be chaos but it’s crazy that it, and by proxy the entire season, could have been that much easier to digest had the animators had more time. Combine that with some of the issues the manga had, and it really does feel like JJK is cursed a little bit
@@mario98730 Would it be JJK if it's not, in some way or another, cursed?
I think Jon and Woolie have a special kind of friendship. I think we all want that friend who is excited to talk to you about literally anything you're interested in.
The type of friendship where a warm embrace is accompanied by knives held firmly at each other's throats 😂
A brothership some might say
it's so strong it survived woolie making john play omikron and a dokopon.
Woolie to Jon/Jon to Woolie: YOU ARE MY SPECIAL!!
And also have the ability to ruin their months at any given point for any reason through just forcing them to play omikron
The idea of someone asking if you "got" an Adam Sandler movie.
Only true cinephiles can grasp the deep message of Jack and Jill
to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand adam sandler
My parents did not get Uncut Gems.
"Oh yeah, it was really about the vacation he went on to the place he shot the scenes"
@SilverZephyr09 to me that doesn't count cuz he was only casted in it. For it to count he has to write and/or direct it imo.
Idea for John/Woolie/editor/whoever reads this: For the Pantheon of greatness, could we have each entry coloured to correspond to who recommended it? Since John has a blue border, his recommendations could be blue, and Woolie's border is orange, so his recommendations are orange. It'll be a nice way to remember who submitted what, and also a cool way to visualise the "winner" of the table as it stands.
Some might call the friendship era a Golden Age.
This Griffith guy is really cool I hope he and guts are friends forever
Uh oh
We all know the behelit John has in his pocket.
@@solomon9655 isn't it right, Evil Mascara Snake-kun?
I am not some
Watching the friendship era is like reading the golden age arc, because its so beautiful to watch these people open up to each other, and you just know that one little change in outlook is going to lead to horrible events
I really wanna thank John for doing the due dilligence of bringing up the awful working environment for the production of JJK season 2. Its great to have someone with your reach to discuss the ugly side of media with the seriousness you do.
when Jon said he went to Ruby Tuesdays for Caribbean food, i was like "UUUMMM SIR!?"
"this is not optional. you will go to Ruby Tuesdays."
-Jon S. Eyepatchwolf, 2024
Channeling all my mental pressure to have Woolie recommend that they BOTH catch up on Kill Six Billion Demons
I could write a full essay on how using the magical realism within the world of twin peaks to create an
endearing and silly scene that also shortens the long crime procedural process of an investigation of all of the POIs is so genius
It's so good because it's just straight-up telling the audience "pay attention to the weird doctor and Lou"
Woolie more or less bouncing off of Twin Peaks is very unsurprising to me. Woolie is someone who is VERY much focused on figuring things out and trying to know what’s going on at all times, which basically makes David Lynch his antithesis as a human.
No, that'd be David Cage
I want Woolie to be tied to a chair and forced to watch Inland Empire
Foxmar I love you for your editing it to line up with the lip synch at 3:18:12.
A little bummed they didn't mention Sukuna's "Stand proud. You're strong." to Jogo. Very humanizing little moment for him.
It's kinda difficult to humanize Mr. WHERE ARE THE WOMAN THE CHILDREN!???? 👹
@@Wulk Except the ending does and that's kinda the point of the series
I feel like John really isn't doing himself any favors on the "I'm not the Villain of this podcast!" front when he's rocking Malevolent Shrine on the thumbnail
He came in prepped to be the white haired bishie and he still chose violence
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So unbelievably hyped that you guys are talking Twin Peaks this time! I literally finished watching the show for the first time like 2 months ago. I absolutely loved it. One of the best shows I’ve ever watched. So ready for this!
It truely is one of the greatest. LOST was the only thing that filled the Twin Peaks shaped hole in my heart
I hope John gets an accurate list during the next recording
@@typhonyx_was_taken yeah, like what the hell
Next episode Berserk is going to be Number 8, and Dokapon will be in the Throne of Heaven
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Fun Fact: The composer for Twin Peaks, Angelo Badalamenti, was also the composer for Indigo Prophecy
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He also did A Nightmare on Elm Street 3 and Christmas Vacation as well as a bunch of other Lynch projects.
3:07:37 Exactly! This is why the Choso fight is my favorite in the entire season, I just enjoy a lot more a well choreographed and directed fight scene than the spectacle of laser beams and shit being thrown around. Similar reason why my favorite fight of Mob Psycho 100 is the one with the Blind Teleporter Guy
Great podcast so far, but I think Mascara Snake-kuns mic might be off 'cause I'm not hearing him AT ALL, and that's a problem because he's my favorite host 🐍
2:31:15 He's here! Our glorious Snake-Eyed King, after so long of being gone~ 👑 🐍
Watching Woolie speculate completely wrongly about why the Choso flashback happened is so funny
To be fair, it was unclear the episode it was shown but later it was explained lol
@@-Fraud Oh absolutely, but him going "Oh yeah I know what's going on here." when I know for a fact that he can't and then makes up an explanation is very funny, especially by it supposing that Sukuna would ever care about protecting Yuji in any situation
It’s even more frustrating because there’s literally nothing to speculate about. It’s outright confirmed by the end of the season but I guess either they both weren’t paying attention or just completely forgot
100% of the people reading/watching didn't get it correct because the actual answer is so out of left field.
@@31Moth13 I don't expect him to be correct until Mama Kenjaku is shown, but I also think going "Yeah here's what happened" when there's no possibility he could've known and then getting it wrong is just funny
Man they got into so much with the Shibuya Incident but barely touched on Nanami and Kugisaki's deaths, especially with how they lead into Todo's magnificent entrance.
Yeah, it felt kinda weird that they basically glossed over the entire Mahito fight. Which sucks, given how Mahito is an incredible villain and the perfect foil to Yuji
Appreciate y'all for bringing up the animation industry woes 🧡
The act of applause is an acclamation of the soul... and so i clap for this 4 hour peak.
In Dale Cooper's defense, literally the entire world was like YOWZA seeing Sherilyn Fenn as Audrey.
It helped that she was actually like 24-25 when they were filming.
Yeah, and I feel like the authority and costuming of the FBI makes him seem older, but Kyle MacLachlan was like 29 when they started filming
In Dale Cooper's defense, the network tampered with her age and he was caught in a hold over plot line until his actor dragged him out because he thought it was inappropriate. It literally took the higher powers to pull him out of that metaphorical death spiral, not his fault.
As huge and impressive as the Shibuya Incident was, the pacing always felt to me like we missed an arc between what came before and Shibuya itself.
I'm probably in the minority, but it kinda raced to clear the board of folks we could have used more time with.
Which also applies to the rest of the series afterward IMO
@@pandagamer-hg5be As much as Akutami is a genuine talent, the series would have been better served by actually writing his characters with arcs rather than getting lost in the minutia of yet another power system.
Yeah it suffers from the same problem a lot of modern anime does in that it kind of seemed to want to race to the finish line. It could easily have ran as long as Naruto did or longer and still have had no filler. Think Shibuya would have been even more mind blowing if a few of the characters were more established
49:00 You've heard of chess boxing now get ready for DOKAPON JIU-JITSU!
Alongside dance boxing battle on the side
These titles are some the greatest in all of RUclips.
Sonething I really love about Twin Peaks that differentiates it even more from the TV shows at the time is it was shot on location. It gives so many more scenes so much more depth than they would have on a set. They're able to do so many more interesting camera angles and lighting than they would be able to if there weren't a 4th wall there.
I think one aspect of Twin Peaks that sadly often gets overshadowed by Lynch is Mark Frost. One the main reasons Twin Peaks doesn't feel as weird and far out as other Lynch works is partly his influence in both the production and the screen writing. Most of the parts of the show that aren't traditionally "Lynchian" are most likely his contribution and so it's a bit sad to barely hear him mentioned in discussions about the show and how most people assume this is just Lynch being held back or underdeveloped
Also I think people tend to play up Lynch's eccentricities as a writer/director. He definitely prefers the weird and abstract but he's also perfectly capable of writing a more straightforward grounded story.
Conversely the parts of season 2 that people issue caveats about are at least as much a product of Frost’s absence on account of/focus on other projects as Lynch’s. I mean, for one thing that’s the season where Lynch starts showing up as an onscreen character, you’d presume neither of them exactly checked all the way out!
I have no idea how Woolie comes to the conclusion that Sukuna's message to Jogo was "Sucks to suck" it is the EXACT OPPOSITE OF THAT. He steps into his death dream and goes "You were cool, actually. Good try."
Classic case of Woolie misinterpreting something. At least this time it didn’t hinder his enjoyment
@@wielderofthetriforce1934 There's nothing to interpret! Sukuna shows up and literally gases him up, he says NOTHING but compliments! He talks about how even in the Heian era Jogo would have been considered among the top Curses, that he had fun fighting him, and that he was strong! All with a completely straight face!
It's one of the defining moments of Sukuna's character. It's the thing that makes him more than a mustach twirling villain, his positive trait is that he recognizes and acknowledges the virtues of others!
I think we need to stop saying Woolie "Misinterprets" things. He doesn't. He just forgets how they happened and then makes up a story in his head that he thinks more or less sounds right.
@@fell5514 i guess he thought Sukuna might have been facetious, because of how much of a bastard he is.
Not saying Woolie isn't still wrong in thinking that tho, with how Sukuna doesn't, at any point, pull any joke or trick during that moment to ruin Jogo's moment during death. He does that moment complete straight, giving the audience no reason to expect him to be disingenuous in the praise he was giving.
Uhh... I'm guessing you guys are just 'remembering' what happened and not watching what happened? Remember that whole part where he shows up and says "Oh you wanted to be human? Or just have their position or whatever? That's pretty stupid. You should have burned everything to the ground to get to Gojo. You weren't hungry enough to get what you wanted." That's how he *opens* that scene. I guess none of you remember that because you all seem to agree he didn't say it, but you can literally type that into RUclips and find the scene yourselves. It has to be easier to find that clip and watch it than write an essay about what you vaguely remember from the show.
@@SonicBoyster No? He said that BEFORE the death scene.
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Fun fact - Alex Hirsch originally wanted David Lynch to voice Bill Cypher. When they couldn't get him, Alex just did a David Lynch impression for the character voice.
I looked at the runtime for the first time when John reminded us this was the first triple-topic at 6:06 and holy crap, 4 hours of Versus Wolves??? We're eating good today folks
I'm so in this for all the parts! But I'm incredibly excited for the Twin Peaks part!
1:47:35 This is almost exactly why I hate the term "overrated". I'd qualify it with: overrated is trying to impose the idea that how people feel about something is objectively invalid instead of a subjective experience, to make the person exclaiming "overrated" feel like they're objectively right instead of just a subjective take that only goes as far as themselves.
It's different than saying, "It's shit." because that means you hate it, and the subjectivity that it's your opinion is implied. "Overrated" implies other people are stupid.
Also David Lynch I feel is more Yoko Taro than Hideo Kojima.
Like, "Why did you do this? "... "Beacuse!" Lmao 🤣
It's fascinating watching you guys address Americans directly, it gives me a sense of the world's impressions about Americans broadly.
The world's a big place! America's just the loudest. - Me, an American.
An English lit professor I had described a character type as a "Vera" in a way that really aligned with Audrey I found. Smarter than they appear, more aware of things at their age compared to others, and really capable of knowing how they can manipulate people. Audrey's characterization shifts with the episodes thanks to that duck in and out with David's involvement in the show, but especially in that pilot episode where Audrey just fouls up her dad's business with fantastic tact, class-A "Vera" move.
I love Dale Cooper's techniques like the rock throwing. It reminds me of the Dirk Gently character from Douglas Adams' books (Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency and The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul). A private investigator who investigates based on the interconnectedness of all things. In one of the books you learn that his method of navigation when driving is to just pick another car and follow it, trusting that while it may not lead him to where he intends to go, it will lead him to where he needs to be.
Omg the Twins of Peak are back again! So excited for this now that I’m caught up 💪💪
Twin Peaks is the type of show that I am not surprised when people say they dont like it, but I do feel SORRY for them because BOY are you missing on the wildest ride ever. I didnt like it at all at first but eventually I forced myself to sit down and watch the entire first season and I am so glad I did. I only watched it some years ago and yet I feel a sense of nostalgia for it like I watched it back when it originally aired.
My personal recommendation is to watch the first season, then power through season 2 with the knowledge that most of it wasnt written by Lynch, then go watch Fire Walk With Me regardless if you liked the TV show or not, and then finally go watch season 3 to experience pure Lynch kino. And if you want to know how really insane is what you experienced, you can go watch or read all the theories about Twin Peaks that people came up with.
I binged the entire vs series twice and listened to everything in the lounge. Right on time guys.
. . . Imma be bored AF tomorrow though
One common and understandable mistake ppl make is thinking Sakuna did something to Choso. In that Scene, Sakuna is just expressing dissapointed that Yuji lost the fight. Yuji is actually legit one of Choso's brothers and Choso can feel when his brothers are on the brink of death. That's why he went all loopy because it's such a surprise that he would feel that way when he's about to kill yuji. Sakuna didn't do anything he was just watching Yuji die and was like bruh
This podcast is an absolute highlight for me
Loving the Boxing Arc so far
"This is stupid, and we're idiots" Probably the closest I'll ever get resembling an apology out of John.
Lets goooooo! Got caught up on JJK for this episode! Hyped to listen 😊
I wish I did, but I know the animation is at least half the fun, so I'll happily tank the spoilers.
...Again, because I've already seen stuff about the Shibuya Incident.
I wish I still had the same uncompromised appreciation for JJK as you, but I made the decision to read the manga
@@RougeMephilesClone I mean, the Shibuya incident stops where the anime stops also
@@Bighomie39 Oh, same, dude. lol
@FeenieVonKarma Like, the finale isn't good or bad, it's just incredibly mid and unsatisfying
Sad that Woolie already read Chainsaw Man before this podcast, the only person he ever gave his thoughts to was Pat who really didn't know anything about it. I guess there's always part 2 whenever it finishes if Woolie isn't keeping up with it.
1:40:15 I don't think this is Lynch hating his audience per say... more or less it was like, "OK, you think this murder mystery is fun and quirky but here's the thing; brutal murder IS brutal murder!"
David was like; "here is what happened exactly. Do you feel better about what you've seen? Because this is the truth."
FWWM is grim! Dark! And will hurt to watch; but it all makes sense... especially if you have seen the full series.
If I were to describe my notion of The Essential David Lynch Thing it’d be asking “How could you do this? Why would you do this?” - about evil acts but also lots of other human behavior - and not wanting to just dismiss it as inexplicable, feeling like if you burrowed down and earnestly pulled away as many veils as possible you’d arrive at true knowledge of some kind, and turning up a hell of a lot of compelling new datapoints in the process, but still feeling some sort of fundamental lack or mystery no matter how far you go. He achieves some world-record Vibes over the course of this process but I think every minute of it, however cute or nightmarish, is an attempt to document that essential inscrutability and our obligation to wade into it.
3:11:03 ok this is just wrong, Choso says that he can feel anything that happens to his blood related brothers so when Yuji near dies he senses him almost dying making him realize that Yuji is actually his brother, the memories don't have anything to do with sukuna it's literally just to visualize Choso seeing yuji alongside all of his siblings
Tbf, I'm not surprised that confused them because the Bleach-esque convoluted way Yuji came to be has not been explained at all yet
Common misconception. When the manga dropped and even when the season was new people were still confused about all that. It took several more volumes before the twist stuck for a lot of people.
@@JoseRS1186 I remember people thinking Yuji's CT was memory manipulation because of Todo and Choso
they're both anime only and have no idea of what happens later, Woolie is doing a thing called "theorizing"
@@matehiqu9905 That's valid but the issue is that it's not a spoiler. You're supposed to take what Choso says at face value, the author just did a really bad job presenting it and opened the door to alternative explanations.
I thought John was doing a bit when he said Ruby Tuesdays lol
Man, as a kid who grew up in Toronto - where there's tons of Caribbean and West Indian Restaurants to choose from - I cannot stress enough how good West Indian Food is!
If you like meat and broth served on rice (with a little big of a kick), do yourself a favor and try it out! It's Fantastic!
1:21:49 best thing about Ed and Nadine is that the actors played the evil "Man and Woman" from Wes Craven's "The People Under the Stairs"
Hey Versus Wolves. I just wanted to say thank you. Its been a really rough month but through the power of anime, friendship, spite, and *legal and safe amounts of mind altering substances*, your podcast helped me get my depressed body out of bed on more than on occasion. But also now i have thoughts on twin peaks and im annoying everyone. But on the plus side an afro Carribean place opened up within walking distance and the roti is life changing.
Jon performing Malevolent Shrine, confirmed Villian of the Podcast
One interesting thing about Mahoraga is its theorized that people in the Zenin clan like Toji, could probably help Ten-Shadow Users subjugate Mahoraga because he wouldn't "count" as being a part of the Ritual as he doesn't have any cursed energy. But because the Zenin's constantly ostracize people like Toji this never materializes.
those guys really should of embraced Heavenly Restriction that shit is busted
Vibes are nice. Certainly part of Twin Peaks appeal. But they are also the seasoning. Seasoning needs to be applied to something.
I just want to speak to one element of Twin Peaks, on behalf of one point of view. Not telling the audience anything? That's a good, fun, worthwhile thing.
See there's something about a creator making something, handing it to the audience and going, hey, I promise there's an internal logic and through line here. Make of it what you will. Also I will never, ever, confirm or deny if you're "right or wrong" about any of it so long as I live.
That's fun! That's engaging! You the audience get to play detective, get to take all the pieces and craft your own world view. That's super cool and worthwhile.
At least that's a part of why I love Twin Peaks. And David Lynch in general.
Oh, and yeah, insert obligatory, something something, Fromsoftware world building. Because that's exactly it too. Don't tell me. Show me the world, I'll figure it out myself. I don't care if I'm "right or wrong".
People who have just watched the 2nd JJK season and people who have just read the JJK ending truly live in two completely separate worlds of emotions.
how so?
@@joedatiusending s2 at the series peak vs ending the manga with a kinda middling conclusion (I liked the end more than most but it was still nothing spectacular especially compared to everything before it and ESPECIALLY compared to Shibuya)
Choso's memory shenanigans were explained in series. They do not have to do with Sukuna. Choso can feel his connection to his brothers, especially when they die. He said in one of the final episodes he could feel that same connection as Yuji was about to be killed by him. This lead him to believe that they must be related by blood
I think that Jon should still check out Dune Part II out of his own volition. I think he would at least appreciate the historical context of it/just getting how much pop culture is derivative of the original Dune story and how much further Dune pushes its protagonists’ actions compared to its derivatives.
As someone who truly did not care for Dune Part 1, I have to disagree with Woolie. Dune Part 1 felt like the annoying kid in class was keeping me up until 4am reading an entire sci fi wiki. Part 2 finally introduced an emotional center I could connect with. So even tho I still felt a good bit lost about who was related to who and some of the more technical building blocks, the way that it spotlights Paul’s struggles and journey as he fights to decide what he wants to be in the world is why I have Dune Part 2 at the top of my rankings for all movies this year. I would absolutely recommend Jon and anyone who was iffy on Part 1 give Part 2 a shot. Def watch a quick recap video on Part 1 but I think you will enjoy Part 2 if you felt like Part 1 was too much world-building leading to nothing
I recently went through the first book and me and my friends will forever refer to it as the story with too many characters. I feel like you could cut half of them and it would change nothing.
Yuji vs Mahito is probably my favorite fight in the whole series, including what’s not animated yet. It’s just got everything, the choreography, the loss, Todo, everything is firing on all cylinders.
The Versus Wolves Friendship Era has the same vibe as ending a game of Mortal Kombat with a Friendship does.
Watching it feels like seeing a compilation of matches which always look like they aren't gonna end with friendships but still do
My favorite memory from video games as a kid was my mom coming by while my brother and I were playing Tenkaichi and she saw me lose a character to Hercule and made fun of me for it cause she knew Hercule from just seeing him randomly sometimes when we would watch DBZ
twin peaks the movie and season 3 are really my favorite parts of the whole thing. they're just so fucking good. powerful emotional stuff.
"Now I ask you, Woolie, is dracula flow 5 better than starting boxing?"
" Succession in real life "
So....the life of Vince McMahon?
@@brendanb2982 yeah, I was getting the vibes
I hope Ruby's business picked up after this.
The Caribbean delegation would like a recount
2:47:40 after the most recent episode im recognising this as the nervous scheming sip of a villain
NOOO THEY THINK SUKUNA HAS MEMORY POWERS, they did not pay attention to ep 22…. 😢
yeah it was just a visualization of his brotherly instincts visualised cause they are children of brainguy, like they literally say it lmao
Yea its cuz jjk kinda got mid writting
8:30 I haven't watched any further than this but this moment alone makes me think the friendship era will not survive this episode.
Ngl being Caribbean and seeing our food reduced to like 5 Jamaican dishes (if I'm generous enough to count those "patties" as actual patties lol) and put as low as #10 while a Jamaican/Grenadan offers no argument otherwise feels like a hate crime lmao
Shocked to see Jon bring up Re:Zero again for that fun little comparison about things people find overrated.
I do still think what the story is actually about would be completely up his alley (it's probably one of the greatest stories of empathy, depression, and learning how to love yourself and others out there period.) but it's fair to be turned off before you get to that point or cus of other little things/personal tastes.
These are still great as ever tho, friendship era is peak c:
I adore Re:Zero but I also have accepted that if someone bounces off of it that there's nothing anyone can say or do that will change thier mind. But that's ok since it's still able to reach those that are actually in need of its message.
@@PredictableEnigma Its one of those shows that you either hit or miss with. It really doesn't help that the main character is built to specifically shoot a kind of person in the face with "YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE" then *reload* and fire again with "AND YOU COULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF YOU TRIED"
In what part does he make that comparison ? Any timestamp
I think Re:Zero has some AMAZING character moments, like Rem's confession or Bea's S2 library scene, and I love it for those. But it also makes you slog through things like the whale fight or try to figure out WTF is happening with the plot in S2, which felt like it lacked half the explanations needed for it to be cohesive.
Also, did not like at all how they put one of its best characters in ice for all S2. Seems like they don't know how to keep the stakes high with her power around.
I would not blame anyone for bouncing off for not feeling the Isekai themes or getting bored during the low points.
@@Unit27 if you are talking about rem, then there's many more characters better than her that you will get to see getting spotlight in s3
Love JJK but I also love in the comments when the major fans get the whiteboard out to explain why everything perfectly makes sense and you should’ve seen this coming or you’ll see it coming 20 chapters down.
I think what they missed is that Sukuna DOESN'T CARE if Yuji dies or not, he would let him die t the bathroom for being so weak as deserved.
For him Yuji is a fun pas time until what ever he is plotting (didn't read the manga so no spoilers) happens. Torturing Yuji and trying to make him break while Sukuna and other demons mock that silly human is entertainment as someone messing with ants to get a kick.
So far Sukuna has no empathy towards humans (at best he is interested in Megumi for some unknown reason) and the only one he had ANY respect so far was Jogo for, while silly in his way to go for his ideals, actually putting a good fight to the point Sakuna actually praises and acknowledges him as strong before passing on (don't get why Woolie thought the exact opposite of what happened there).
Sukuna is literally just bored and goofing around. it aint that deep. Kenjaku is the actual antagonist while Sukuna is the optional super boss.
I got outside my comfort food and watched all of Twin Peaks for this
The boxing thing - as a sparrer myself is a ju jutsu kaisen parallel. You hit a black flash my boy!!!
Finished watching the Shibuya Incident last night, time to come back to the podcast
The way Woolie keeps bringing up the use of the narrator in JJK has me very excited for his time with the chimera ant arc lol
Kill Six Billion Demons gets so insanely hype, it is NOT fair to compare Shibuya Incident to the earliest book of KSBD. Before the dungeon crawl into a God's bank vault, before the Tournament, before the god kings fight, etc. All of the coolest shit is beyond where they read to
So the less Lynchian aspects of Twin Peaks is thanks to Mark Frost, the writer. He and Lynch collaborated in a heart-brain kind of way of writing the story.
The longest one yet!
And I am so early that there are no timestamps! ;-;
The pop-off when they 1st started talking about the Shibuya Incident arc was infectious as shit that it got me popping off lol
kyle mclaughlin is great in whatever he does. He just has a very an interestingly stilted charisma that puts you on edge and at ease at the same time if that makes sense
I love that you can hear John’s mouth start to water when he starts talking about the curry goat snd oxtail. That’s how you know a cook has done their job. That meal has permanently imprinted itself in his brain.
Trying to treat David Lynch like a math problem to be solved?
You’re gonna have a bad time.
3:10:50 I’m an anime only guy but my theory on the false memory thing is that combined with the fact we know the main villain in control of geto’s body is a body swapper and something is up with yuji’s parents so maybe that villain is literally him and the blood dude’s dad and they are related through him
First time I disagree THISSSS HARD with a ranking from John and Woolie. The shibuya incident is great, I love it, believe me, but it does NOT beat the classic gaming masterpiece that is Shigesato Itoi's Earthbound. Shibuya Incident is an arc, Earthbound is a whole adventure, THE VIBES MAN THE VIBEEEEES. I'm calling recency bias on this one.
None of this nerd weeb shit beats Caribbean food lmao
@Cwestlov that I can agree lmao
2:43:05 I like how Woolie says "The Zenin Dad" as Toji Fushiguro pops up
I binged season 2 of JJK and bought the twin peaks box set for this, lets go
I did not expect an episode this early. Let's fuckin go.
I read JJK like two years ago including the Shibuya Incident back when the hype was there. I did not get the appeal. I found the story to be an incoherent mess. Sometimes the embers of a good idea light up but the author seems to be in a rush to make any moment linger. Whenever a character is half developed, their brains will be smeared across the pavement two chapters later. Powers are overexplained but by no means intuitive in understanding them. I see people all the time stating that "if you do a wiki deepdive, it actually makes a lot of sense!" But not only does it feel weak for a story if it has to meet that requirement, I also have yet to be convinced that the latter is actually true.
I heard this untold praise and just had to give it another chance, just watched the anime last week.
I STILL don't get it at all. Yes, the animation is absolutely wonderful and a real milestone. But it didn't help this arc feeling like a long string of vaguely connected bullshit. So many of its characters are nothing more than their design and some gimmick ability slapped upon them (like MeiMei).
I generally wish the show was more about its own topic: Curses. I actually found myself enjoying JJK Zero more because the main character's curse is an actual curse with an interesting backstory. I wish the show in general focused more on that instead of making some Bleach knockoffs bang their heads against each other for hours.
Here, I never find myself able to empathise with most curses or curse users (empathise meant really broadly. As in, I can empathise with Hisoka and his motivations, even if they are depraved. Contrast with Mahito's endless irritating cackling).
Like, I will never understand how Woolie fails to grasp the core concept of Hunter X Hunter, but somehow is on board with this extremely vaguely defined ruleset and thematic focus.
Look yes: I loved many of its awe-inspiring animated moments, but kept wishing that there was a story connected to it that had the ability to make me feel things.
And to apply further nuance, I also really appreciate this podcast and your discussion on it. The enthusiasm did rub off on me to watch the show and also made me give it my all to let the story wash over me and see what resonated. I found myself loving Sukuna as an irredeemable POS, and I do like the dynamic where the good guys have their strongest ally in the form of Gojo. The bad guys do become at least somewhat more interesting by being on the backfoot like that.
EDIT: To underscore why this show is confusing, just read the comments here about the Chose V Yuji fight. Literally everyone has a different explanation as to why those fake memories were triggered. There probably is a correct explanation, but if it is apparantly this confusing, then what is the point?
I have mothing to add to your point, but I have to point out that the reason Woolie gets nothing out of HxH is because
1. He watched the old, slow-as-molases show first, & saw nearly no Nen.
And
2. When he watched the remake, only on John's prompting, hmit was tainted by Naruto having done the same thing but slightly different. HxH will always be "cartoony OOT Naruto" in his head.
@CosetteTape yeah and that's fair enough. I dont want to give the sense that I believe that Woolie "has" to like HXH or anything, that would be ridiculous and everyone can have their own preferences.
I just have trouble 'getting' the show in the same manner that a lot of other people seem to be on board. They debate so many minutia in HxH but take so much of this show's baffling elements for granted that I just had to vent my frustrations, even if it feels like an "old man yells at cloud" moment from my end.
@@somniloguy12 Ohhh I misread your point. It's simple, then, actually: The fact that it rolls through its bullshit in a "childhood playground fight" manner is what makes it digestible to him. HxH spends entire episodes writing rulebooks for encounters that only get used for one fight, or even sometimes one EPISODE. That is what put him off early HxH, but Kaiji & Yorknew got him much more into it.
Hearing Woolie list off cool Shibuya stuff after reading the manga is a sad experience. Cause with everything cool that happens im like "yeah that goes nowhere" "yeah that was just rule of cool and didnt mean anything"
Yyyyyep
You’re wrong
I dunno man most of JJK is about rule of cool
imagine going to dragon ball with that mentality.
@@joedatius Difference is when Dragonball does rule of cool it's not presenting it as a mystery box or potential plot thread. Sukuna's Open Furnace being a "well known technique" for an example in the video
Each time you guy do the "We Are..." my brain goes to the VR Troopers theme... it never fails x_X I hate my brain...
Those looking to find the video mentioned at 3:37:40 = Li Cree "I worked on Jujitsu Kaisen"