Cabbage Hill, with no brakes!
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2016
- I have gone down this hill with no engine brake, and did not get my brakes hot. The biggest take away, pick the gear you want before you start down, don't wait till you are on the hill to figure out you need to down shift.
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I've been driving for almost 25 years, we need more true drivers like you.
just trying to do it the right way and not hurt or kill anyone. be safe out there driver.
Outdoor Dave. that is the only way it needs to be done. One never knows when something is gonna go wrong and it's scary as f#(€ once it does
Whatever gear you go up in, go down in 1 or 2 gears less.
bangagong most of the time i would probably agree with you, however, this engine allows me to climb hills, most of the time, as fast as i want, regardless of the load.
Replacing brakes is a bit spendy!
I was a cross-country truck driver for 20 years. this is a basic essential skill that every truck driver must have. but most of them do not. and that was my goal to get down the hill without touching my brakes. for every hill I was successful doing that I'd buy myself a giant steak dinner as a reward.
runner4eg1
Go buy yourself another steak dinner for your 20 years of service. I'd do it but I'm on the other side of the internet. Hats off!
runner4eg1 80000 pds is nothing compare to 85000 or 90000 or even 1000000 going down hills never lost a load and it was hay so this little nonsense you guys call load is lame be a real driver and check out about hauling hay did this for 25 yrs started when i was 13 hello
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I was a careful driver : gave up my right of way, knew who was on my back, left and right , always had a predetermined ‘way out ‘ planned, obeyed the speed limit and was watching for the unexpected. People would ‘drag race’ me to cut me off ahead for the right exit instead of drifting behind my right side and making a safe lane change. They would pull out right in front of me ( did they not see the big semi truck or think that 84,000 pounds could stop 🛑 on
a dime ) ? Pulling in front of me and slowing down was the norm. I have had drivers pass and charge lanes in front of me so that I could not see them over the hood.? One time I was making a right turn and the following pickup tried to pass me on the right??? He totaled out my truck, my trailer ( a loaded Kilbrew ) , his truck and trailer. I was going about 5 miles per hour and he knocked my truck and trailer ( 79,000 pounds) 60 feet to my left. He was driving a 3/4 pickup truck and his trailer weighed 18,000 pounds?? He tried to sue me because “ I HURT HIM “ ??? In court he stated that he was only going 50 miles per hour when he hit me ( you go and figure that). The next time I was parked at a truck stop eating my brunch and a dump truck backed into my front end.
I give up, not to drive an eighteen wheeler again.
EIDIET drivers can have my spot on the road from now on !🤬😰😤😤😡🤔😈🤮.
Amed Tajan You are a lucky asinine driver. I have hauled over 200,000 pounds in one day without incident ( back and forth) from field to silo. I have ‘ burned ‘ $10,000 of fuel in one month without incident. One is not a pansy if caught up in an incident. Edits can make your life miserable no matter what you can do. Be great full that you are OK ; Instead of being judgmental towards your brother truck drivers , you pompous _itch. Be ashamed
It annoys me seeing so many people saying you don't know what your doing when its obviously quite the opposite... Thank you for driving safely and sharing this information with others
Mr. Cool everybody jas their own way of doing things, this is how i do it, everytime. Thank you for your support and stay safe out there driver
reminds me of the time I was on brakes hill with no cabbage
Lmao 😂
That's a hell of a place to be with no cabbage!?😂🤣
They were giving cabbage away at the Mexico side of the border if you bought two Chiclet you get one head of cabbage.
Many moons ago, I'm retired now. My first mountain I went down had a sign said TRUCKS 25MPH MAX. So I was new and obeyed. About 3/4 of the way down a JB Hunt flew by me with brakes smoking like hell. He made it to the bottom, but couldn't see his truck for smoke. Ever since I stuck to the hold the truck back in the proper gear. Jakes help alot as well after i finally got one, No load is worth your life. I'm still here after 45 years of driving, so I did something right. What Dave gives you for advice is like a rule. Anyone who doesn't heed that rule is a fool.
yessir, and if you don't go by some rules, you can get hurt real bad or killed.
Mike pech 45 years my Ass!
Got anymore bullshit stories you wanna tell us?
@@gearjammer4779 Use your real name dipshit!! And my granddad drove until he was in his mid eighties and after drove illegal for fun until he was 92!! You're talking 70 years of driving so have some respect and shut up.
@@gearjammer4779 yea im 102 and still running from fla to cali 2 times a week
@ Thanks Mathew. I started driving truck at 20. I retired at 68th birthday. So actually 47 years. Am still hauling my boat at 74 with my pickup. I didn't even bother answering the uneducated wannabe computer game gearjammer.
Wish the I-70 trucker drove like this. 4 more people would still be with us today.
That's very sad. That accident was preventable. That truck was flying down that hill like a bat out of hell. Plus he didn't use any of the runaway truck ramps.
@@ladonna1902 When and what was this? I've heard nothing about it.
@ this accident happened about two weeks ago. West of Denver, CO. It was all over the news and RUclips.
Passed a 65 mph "trucks" sign going 35. You're lucky there wasn't a cop behind you.
@@mattkrieger4395 No cop would care... that's called "maximum speed". There was no minimum speed. I've never seen a minimum speed posted for 65mph. 45mph minimum speed sign is the most common and even then they don't post that on mountain passes. That would be insane.
my hands and feet were sweating at seeing how fast the others were going lol
rialbb makes me nervous too. Thanks for watching amd supporting my channel, be safe out there driver
You ain't lying and that's crazy.
It really depends on weight. I run down that hill every week with only 20,000 lbs at 50mph without touching the brakes so some of those trucks could be light.
If their load is light maybe their speed is appropriate
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Me too! I've been on that road(I'm not a truck driver) & it's pretty scary. even in good road conditions..
quit driving after 22 years, I get ask "do you miss it?" and if I ever have the thought "maybe" I just go to you tube and re-visit places. great job and I wish more driving schools /trucking companies were turning out drivers with even this basic knowledge
Wolfgang Vonblack I know exactly what you are saying about the new drivers. I am not ready to come off the road yet. I still love what I do. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there brother.
I quit at 33 yrs driving. Sorry but the newbies were too scary. I miss it sometimes but I was not going to do e-logs either.
Best thing I’ve seen so far. Glad so to see another trucker being safe. It really worries me how fast these other truckers are going slow and low is key
He's doing exactly what your suppose to do with that size load on that particular grade. That's what you call safety and taking advantage off what your rig will allow you to do. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽great vid.
JuiceOg1 thank you for the kind words and support for my channel, be safe out there driver
Technically he could go faster with tapping the brakes. But this video is about going down with touching the brakes.
My dad would be impressed. He's been a trucker for 20 years, and I'm sure he'll like you.
The closest I have ever come to dying is coming down Cabbage fully loaded and in too high of a gear. Luckily I was
able to use my brakes just enough to keep my speed under control enough to not to off the road on the corners. I have seen many trucks off on the runaway truck ramps and with brakes smoking, glowing and on fire. I applaud this driver and his care in not putting himself and others at risk. I know there are negative comments but from my experience on this hill numerous times he is correct.
I did the same thing. One time and one time only did I come down it too fast! After that I always pulled into the rest area, took a deep breath and started the desent in the right gear. It was a lesson learned!
My first trip down I flew with the Angel's. I thanked the good Lord for protection and learned a lesson...be safe drivers.
Very sound advice. I wouldn't want that much weight pushing me down a grade like that without an exhaust brake.
i have been down it grossing around 70,000, with out an engine brake, and by applying the nethid that i use, i never got the beakes hot.
I always learned that when driving big equipment, I should drive in a way that I avoid using the brakes at all. Of course you need them in cities and in emergencies, but I always drive with very good distance from the vehicle infront and always start engine braking early into corners and downhills.
American truck drivers are very professional at what they do. Not saying others are not. For over million miles traveled I can only say that I apriciate the advice and guidence when I first started driving. I have learned from some of the best honest and hard working people out there. God Bless and be safe evryone.
Kudos to you man, I came down that mountain pass last week at 35mph and my load was 78600 glad to see you made it down safely.
Jovan9603 i am glad to hear from you, great job on cominf down the hill
Jovan9603 I would've went down and I think I have gone down that hill several times. about 35-40mph running rpm's up to about 1650-1700 full Jake's in about 7th gear
I am not a trucker, though appreciate my friends who are/were. I cannot understand some of the comments here about 'going too slow/hazard.
With your almost 40 tonne load... down-hill... I think that was a beautiful, safe, and well controlled descent , and an excellent little video.
Not enough people appreciate common sense imho, but I sure enjoyed the vicarious ride!
Thanks!
Lotsa moron who think they know better out there. Just disregard the couch jockey's. Brainless.
This is actually the way I like to go down a steep grade, nice and easy plus you don’t overwork or damage your equipment. Sometimes we gotta go back to basics. Take care and keep being safe driver, bless
I ran all 48 states, variable routes, and Mid-Western Disturbution never knew what a jake brake or engine brake was. 290 Cummins engine and a 9 speed. Walk up them slowly and walk down them even slower, but did not burn brakes up and lived to talk about it. You learn real fast not to get in a hurry, but then the speed limit was only 55 mph nationwide. I wonder how many drivers recal Mid-Western Disturbution back in the mid to later 70's??? I remember being young, 20 south of Des Moines, IO, 20* below zero F. and my fuel lines slushing up, not enough additive in the fuel. Then there was all the blowing snow, but that was nothing, that is nothing like black ice. Driving on "Black Ice" is what makes a truck driver out of a boy. Hell yes, I miss it, that is in a good way. And still to this day I have no problems with hemoroids.
Aaron and Linda George 290 cumins 238 detroit good motores
Was even more going down on packed snow.
Spent years up and down cabbage with triples sets and 53 in all weather. The fog at night worse ever respect the mountain because it will bite ,lots of wreaks brakes on fire and my fav over the cliffs slow done you be ok.
Getting there and home is the most important thing. Doing it fast can make everything go bad really fast.
you filmed this is in 2016 and the state of Oregon has made this hill a little safer. no much but a little. there used to be many people, trucks and cars alike that have wrecked on this hill. I live about 35 miles from this hill and see it all the time. I tow a camp trailer up and down this hill several times a year and coming down can be scary. 3rd and 2nd gear in my pick up both ways. I am in no hurry
I drove OTR for four years during the mid-90's. The rule I was told was "Whatever gear it took to get up one side, That's the gear you use to down the other side". I never had any problems. Just drive smartly.
Ty to all the safe truckers like this guy. I appreciate it.
I think the government should make Jake breaks mandatory for all trucks its a beautiful view
Mary Wagner no big rig truck built after the 90’s doesn’t have an engine brake (jake brake)
Not true Jeff. At least if you count day cabs ,I can tell ya.
I worked for a company where the boss was so sure that the jake brakes burned more fuel that he had them all removed. Damn idiot.
Onearmedscissor & I'm just some weeb truck mechanic.. hoping to get into a truck driving career in the next year or two.
I dont know of any truck made in the year 2000 and newer that ain't got one
It’s after that last curve when the road straightens out and it’s still easily 6-7% where people get in trouble. They think the hill is over and then they start gearing up... then... oops, they miss gears and loose control of their speed
It is a very deceiving hill for sure.
That is precisely what I did a few hours ago. Not to make excuses, but it was dark and by way of comparison that final straight stretch *looks* safer and less of a grade- as you mentioned. Thankfully, I was able to brake enough to safely reengage the jake before things got bad. Pay attention folks- the curves are dangerous, yes, but until you’re at the casino you’re still at risk...
Jake brake can surely be your best friend on hills like this. I don't live too terribly far from Cabbage Hill, and have smelled hot brakes several times down this. You just find the right gear & jake setting until it holds you. Don't let the engine wind up. I've seen drivers ride their service brakes down this hill!! Great video for teaching people how to do it the right way! :-)
40yrs on the road and still remembered being told the rule of thumb is to go downhill in the same gear needed to climb it, and I'd fitters saying that they'd not seen brake shoes lasting as long on my truck. :)
You did excellent dave. As for mike bacon....turn in your keys your fired. Speed limit here is better to follow than grabbing your ass on a corner as you head for a dirt nap. Your in the correct lane with flashers on and going posted limit. DOT will pass you up and chase the idiots flying by in a heartbeat. Just cuz you can go 50mph doesnt mean its worth it to go 50mph. Ive done that pass for 30 yrs. As for slowing traffic talk to the engineers who stated that as limit.......wonder why?
Thank you for the kind words. I will continue to go down them this way, if it isn't broke, I am not going to try and fix it. be safe out there driver.
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Late to this video and I know nothing about driving a truck. Back in the 90’s though my husband and I had a logging company. He’d sheer the trees and they’d be chipped right into the semi, and I’d have our kids in that cab and drive the truck to the mill - all on logging roads and a quick drive. It was a blast.
Coincidentally, the year the first the Cummins diesel came out in the Dodge pickup, we bought one brand new at the fairgrounds and drove it home. We had it custom stretched into a crew cab - it was beautiful and had a cb radio of course.
The good ole days in my life 😊
Ran that hill a lot both with and without a Jake. You are so right about getting into the correct gear before going down. Also, don't do what everybody else does. An old truckdriver told me, when I first started out.... you drive your truck and let them drive theirs. Enjoy your channel. Stay safe (as you obviously are). I miss the old days.
Love the smell of baked brakes in the morning.
Like biscuits and gravy.
I haul a heavy load every week from Virginia to Utah West Virginia had some hell of a hills your doing it right I'm glad to see a real professional driver.
I appreciate videos like this. When I was over the road I traveled the same route on I-77 every week and saw so many guys smoke up their brakes on the 7% grades. Picking the right gear ahead and using my engine brake like my life depended on it is what got me to the bottom every time. Pick a safe lane according to your speed, use the 4 ways if necessary and have the patience for it all. Use your head.
Excellent video. I wish more people drove like you do. Everybody is in too much of a damn hurry.
petry knapele i jave slowed down a lot 0ver the years, through the grace of God, i have been fortunate that i learned lessons with out wrecking anyone, or anything. thanks for watching amd supporting my channel
Been up and down Cabbage Hill dozens of times. The first right when you actually get on the grade can bite you and they have the reduced speed lefts(cars)that give Cabbage it's challenge. Oh and if you truckers don't already know this, Oregon's finest love to sit at the bottom and literally time you from top to bottom. So if you're planning on flying down her, it may be more than your brakes that you burn up. You may end up burning up some money too.
I'd rather get bitched out for being 30 minutes late taking a hill like this than for wrecking the brakes and going off the highway or for hitting someone and killing them.Thank you,sir for advocating safety!
Tim Danby just tryimg to be as safe as i can, thank you for your support, be safe out there driver
I know this hill and many others. You did a great job of demonstrating crucial skills. That motor, Jake and transmission work so well together they should be mandatory for all trucks. Fat chance, I know. Have a great day and as always, be safe. You are an excellent driver!
Nice job. In over 30 yrs and 3 million miles of driving, only smoked brakes one time on I 5 north bound from California into Oregon. Came down too fast. My father taught me to have great respect for steep grades.
Good advise I've been driving for almost 41 years, been down that hill a few times. Not bad just take your time like he said. The last 28 years just been running dedicated from northwest Arkansas to Dallas area and back twice a week. I love my job, home in weekends home Tuesday night, Thursday night then Friday night Saturday and Sunday then back to work about 8 AM Monday.
I pulled double trailers for Fed Ex Ground up and down Cabbage many times. We never had heavy loads compared to most trucks but I always used the Jake brake and used caution while driving. It's not worth getting killed or worse out there. Good video.
Several of the companies I drove for were to cheap to buy Jake's. I had to learn to get down without them. If you didn't t want to become part of the landscape you had better keep it in low. I have been over most of the bad ones without Jake's but Don t recommend it. I quit because I got lucky and was offered a good job off the road and there were way to many idiots getting started out there then. When I started in 86 it was still mostly old school type drivers. I left our in 98 and it was a completely different mind set out there. I feel bad for the good guys out there now that have to drive with 70 % idiots.
Great job and info. I see and smell trucks all the time that should take a look at your video. Thanks.
In 19 years driving I never was lucky enough to get a truck with a jake brake so his technique was used with a little twist.decide what gear would be suitable to go down the hill and then use one gear lower instead.ive slightly smelled my brakes but never smoked them and not very often at that.
I'm never over 50mph going down cabbage even when empty. Lived in Pendleton for 4 years and have seen 6 semis burn up just past the Arrow Head on ramp to the highway. 2014 7 drivers died in 2 weeks from dense fog and ice half way down the mountain. Cabbage saint no joke.
A lot of people underestimate hills and grades because they get comfortable.
So cool...Beautiful country..thanks for the ride-a-long..
Haha, when I drove to from Az to Va and back I always smelled the breaks from the trucks going down the hills and it was bad!! Great video again Dave!!
like i said, i loke the smell of warm brakes, just not on my truck. I do not like the smell of really hot brakes though.
Excellent! I absolutely get the jitters when down Cabbage Hill, going up is no picnic either especially in the winter!
I have a hard time downshifting on a downhill. You are such a good driver.Thanks for replying.
Darlene Young the key to going down hill, is, pick the gear you want at the top. You can go down a hill 1000 times too slow, you only go down once too fast. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver
Down shifting on a hill is dangerous. If you miss that gear and start picking up speed youll be in trouble. Like he said pick it before you start down. Too slow isnt a problem. Too fast is
You don't downshift ON the hill. You downshift BEFORE you start down. and you run down all the way one or two gears lower than you went up! Believe me, the load will take care of all the acceleration that you can handle! There's a good reason they call this "Deadman Pass"
Thank you for confirming that. I am training on Class 1.
Darlene Young the steep part of the grade starts just before the right hander past the vista point. Driver here had this rig slowed down while still on top.
The Cummins ISX is the best Jake Brake I have ever operated, hands down! I've used them on 299 in Northern California where you have 4 passes to negotiate in all types of weather. Very good control. Great video.
The new Cummins x15 is supposed to work even better.
You make me miss driving, thsnks for the video!
This pass is one of my favorite passes to go down. Slow and steady wins the race on this hill. I've heard it called emigrant hill also.
Cody Mcpherson yep, definitely one of the most scenic too.
It's been called at least three names over many years: Cabbage Hill; Emigrant Pass; Dead Man Pass. I drove it twice a week in the 1960's
before jake brakes .......or even CB radios. We ALWAYS crawled down the hill slower than we went up.........especially in the winter time
through the snow and ice. Great memories. My brother trucked all his life. I left the trucks in the mid 60's; but, they never left me.
Good driviing, good advice, good video. Of your "three choices" for those "DRIVERS" blowing past you, I only recognize one: IDIOTS
One of our best friends , going down Cabbage, fried his brakes, lost his pull trailer in a curve which hit a car and killed people. He lost his CDL and ruined his life.
Back in the early 1980's I used to go off cabbage every morning with a 1974 KW 290 Cummings 13 speed and no Jake brake. The brake check area had no scales in it and we used it every morning to adjust our brakes, usually about 15 to 20 miles an hour with 5lbs brake pressure, smoked my brakes one time and a lesson was learned. Most drivers today haven't a clue about mountain driving or driving period they know enough to be dangerous. You video is right on thank you for representing what a true driver should be.
Great video and thank you so much for driving safe my brother.
Thanks for sharing. I've only done that hill twice in a truck (I've driven almost exclusively local in the Puget Sound area). Was pretty scared first time but followed this same strategy and got down just fine....not even a blip.
That was awesome!!!!! a critical driving lesson for the new driver that has an ear to hear!!
Pretty cool man thank you for sharing that
I drove up and down that hill many times in the 80s, but I grew up hearing the story of my father losing his brakes going down the mountain. The story ends thankfully with him alive sitting on the side of the hwy at the bottom shaking from fear. Close call.
Excellent video. Thanks.
In my truck has a warning that you can't use the engine brake when it's wet so what would you do if it's wet
I do safety training ad compliance I would love to have your permission to use this film in my training
Richard Wilson absolutely, if it helps please, by all means. thank you for your support
Hopefully not for Swift
Cowboy Kody That's the problem. SWIFT should be the first to finish training, oh and get real training.
@@cowboykody6775 🤣😂 Dick! 🤣😂
Your a very good driver, & your grossing over 78Tons, Awesome we need more safe drivers like you!
Received a call one day from a former driver trainee thanking me for forcing him to learn to downshift going downhill. I didn't permit the use of engine brakes until I was certain trainees had SOLID command of the basics...and then only when they were ready to test. (k, sometimes I relented when they progressed very well. ;-) )
The training wasn't designed to buck the conventional wisdom of selecting the "proper" gear before descending grades loaded, but to know what to do if you're in the wrong gear and you don't have the luxury of a jake to help you. The day he called he was pulling a set of Rocky Mountain doubles in Colorado when he lost his jake brake on a downhill. Remembered his training, he did...
I totally agree, there is no substitute for proper training.
Perfect job!Perfect lesson!
What if it’s slick conditions, do you turn down the engine brake? I would pick a much lower gear, and run the engine brake on stage 1 and tap my brakes only when needed. Is that the proper technique for slick conditions, ie wet road/snow or ice?
Road conditions dictate how you go down hills. Slick road conditions, I would have to feel it out, but yes slower speed would be the big factors.
This should be a national teaching video for how to go down that Hill..
I live in Oregon and am acquainted with that scenario / Road..
Not as a trucker but a four wheeler.
It was the way I was taught, and so far, it has worked out well for me. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there
I am learning a lot from you and other seasoned drivers out there. I am hoping to get my cdl in June. I have heard to steer clear of some trucking schools, so I am going through the technical college here and hoping I can learn more as I go. I have a pristine car driving record and hope to continue that. My dad always said "Never be in a hurry to die."
probably one of the biggest rukes out here, there is nothing in that trailer worth dying for. take your time, listen to some of the older drivers, they have years of knowledge. Be safe out there future driver.
also, check out Allie Knight, she has a channel on here as well
What gear did you ride her down in? Is jake break/low gear required for riding down all mountains and hills?
congrats ! my dad was a trucker from the USA to Costa Rica and never had am accident ! because A. it was his KW. 2. He knew that same thing and 3. He was a heck of responsible driver just like you! drivers in accidents are all you said ! nice day !
i utilize this as well when driving in canada in the summer. How do you do the same hill in the winter?
Would like to see a video of the whole hill I used to ride with my grandfather up and down for several years during all four seasons he was a trucker for almost 62 years
Nice driving what great clip good break safety i drive trucks in new Zealand. Great trucking top man
Thank you sir. Be safe out there brother.
Helllo from Michigan, USA. I'm long retired now, I drove over the Smoky Mountains with my dad but my first solo included the Big Horn mountains, part of the Rockies. I went down the west side with a (late 60s) red 5+2-speed Ford cherry picker with a sleeper, 40' trailer packed with Michigan produce. That's about all I knew about that tractor except I was so damn proud to be sitting up there with the Macks, Petes, Freightshakers and KWs. Back then you would wave your left hand sideways as you passed another truck going in the opposite direction on the two-lane highways to signal there was a cop ahead of him. That meant to slow down. Fast forward twenty years; (wait, don't pay any attention to all the shit I did in that time.}. Climbing, the foothills, climbing on the eastern side, I had to stop for a herd of free-range cattle just meandering across the road. Nothing you can do but set your brakes and nap or eat or play with yourself. Winding back, forth, up, down, looking over the edge of the road which had no guardrails, at night I could see the the lights of cars and trucks on the road a hundred feet below. Anyway, when I got to the foot of the Big Horns, early in the morning, I stopped in the first little town I came to. I ordered coffee and breakfast, then asked the waitress "Where am I?" She said "You're in Tensleep, Wyoming. You OK?" I ate breakfast, took a dump, and started on my trip again. Using low gears and intermittent braking kept me healthy for the rest of my 36 year career driving trucks. Thanks, Dad.
Donner was the first mountain and scared to death everyone told me take it easy , but these days you have 22 year olds out there with millions of miles that think they know everything lol, stay safe out there .
Wise advice this is. I like how he thinks. The point of no return can be avoided. Not for ourselves but for whoever is sharing our path
safety first..good job!I respect safe long distance truck drivers...all you truckers be safe out there! ⚠😉🚙🚚🚛
I was born and raised in Oregon. My first truck was a *Detroit Diesel Silver 92* 475HP (so while it had a Jake, it was rather weak). I pulled a flatbed 5 western states before the *spotted owl BS* (then switched to Van, 48 states).
Like most new drivers in the 90s I went to school to get my CDL, then got hired on by a small outfit with seven trucks. Growing up as I had, I already knew that the mountains could kill ya if you were dumb, and that school had only taught me enough to get me my job. As I was raised polite, I learned and listened and played follow the leader a lot.
Funny, I never did ever pass anyone on Cabbage, or Fancy Gap, or Donner...
My theory of going down a hill, if I use my brakes twice that's once too many ! Thanks for showing the right way to go down a grade
Everytime I start my truck and put it in gear, I only get 1 chance to get it right. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there brother.
Thank you for the info. This is probably similar to why we have downhill speed limits on our trains. But we will actually have our brakes on the whole way, and using the dynamics to maintain the speed.
Im in CDL school now is there a rule of thumb for choosing a gear to go down a hill? Thank you brother.
It's truly sad how many drivers today do not know how to go down without that Jake. Everyone companions the Jake ain't strong enough. If you're in the right gear, you don't even need it, drivers just are not taught correctly these days. 😧😞
William Stover i have been down that hill, in a truck without Jakes on it, did not smoke the brakes.
Outdoor Dave I believe it. They really should teach these students how to drive the old traditional way. Stop being so dependent on technology. Technology can fail, physical gears (unless broken teeth) will not. Teach them the old way in case the new ways don't work.
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I always go down that hill exactly as he does. Even more so, I permit extra heavy on 5 axles. Went down that hill grossing 96,000 but in low range and at 10mph. The bottom of that hill (and many others) will always wait for me, and I have brakes for when I need them to stop ASAP.
They'll always pull into that truck stop casino at the bottom with smoking brakes. I haven't been over cabbage in over two years, I loved taking loads up that way.
I have rarely been down that hill that I haven't smelled warm brakes
@@outdoordave6304 I've gone down that hill in a Volvo I shift grossing over 75000 without touching the brakes. The I shift did a pretty good job downshifting to the right gear and holding that speed with the engine brake. I agree the Cummins ISX has a great engine brake. Quiet too.
You said "you love taking loads " Pervert! Bahaha! Just messing with ya brother. Be safe out there.
@@joystickricksherrell774 hey! I ain't no JB Hunt driver! 🤣
does it make a difference if your not loaded going down the hill?
This reminds me of a scene from black dog "remember what I told ya about gearing down and braking just right?" Tsk tsk
I love that movie!
Been across it 3 times, fortunately it was in summer time. Was glad to get my but back home to my Hoosier state. LOL
Michael Jones i have been acrossed it quite a gew times, its not bad as long as you remember where you are. Thanks for watching amd supporting my channel. Be safe out there driver. I also am from Indiana
Outdoor Dave me2
Some of the drivers going by are grossing a lot lighter. Some aren't. It's foolish to roll down a grade at speeds that if something goes wrong there will be a price to pay. 20 years going down grades the safe way. Slow and easy. My first truck, no jakes. Learned by gear selection and light use of brakes. 18 months of it. Nowadays, three stage jakes, I rarely use my brakes. Don't need-em. Thousands of miles doing it the right way. It only takes one time to wreck it all.
I read up on accidents a lot. Speeding is always involved, most of the time. Be smart people. Be ever learning. Gain wisdom, knowledge is powerful. God bless you all.
love it u did it the right way!! there are alot of twisted and turns down that hill
I drive an automatic, and my mentor never had me go down grades NOT using the jake brake, so now when its icy, or rainy and I'm going down grades I get nervous because I'm not 100% sure what to do...or what gear to be in...
Hey Dave that looks fun. Like your list at the end and I would say most are a C. some act like they need a unt after that option though. I ran alot between Vancouver and Toronto with my previous job and the Crowsnest is a fun one in winter. It is nice to see guys like you still exist out there being smart on the hills. I live by one rule and this rule only. If you think you cannot learn anymore then its time to get out of the job. most guys out there think they know it all and are the ones ending up in more problems than needed. Stay safe and Have fun. by the way i do like your vids
Thank you. And yes, when i get to the point where i start getting careless and think i can't learn anymore it will be time to park the truck. Be safe out there driver.
I love the sound of jakes! I rarely touch the brakes going down the mountains ether.
just wondering... it's not hard on the breaks but howabout the engine, I would think it's not hard on the engine, but what do the pros think?
They are divided on it. Some will say it's hard one the engine, and others will say it's what it was designed for. Personally, it's the way I like to go down the hills, and save the breaks for emergencies.
How do I drive past steep/deep embankments on the road without going over? I see trucks actually stop and park on the shoulders with extremely deep embankments. Not sure how you guys do it.
Pllm30 it's all about understanding the size of your vehicle, a lot of times things look a lot closer than they actually are. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver.
Hello, what the spec on your truck see it has a long slide. Like headrack. Im planning on getting one for flatbed use any advice ill be grateful. Thank you.
Nelaon
Nelson Feliciano It has a 300 inch wheel base, the headache rack that I chose is a 3 door by sturdy lite. Cummins ISX 15, 550 horse, 3.36 rear gears with an 18 speed Eaton transmission
That’s exactly the way I used to do it bud. I’m retired now, but still love truckin. Did it for 35+ years. Anyway great video. Take care and have a good one. 👍
yep, thats how your suppost to do it... I always did it in 8th gear, on a 10 speed, just got to know when, and how to break, and they wont smoke up.
I came down that hill one night, with extream dense fog... couldnt see but two zipper lines... I ran that at 10 to 15 mph, and damn near shit myself, hoping noone would run into me... That fog just snuck up on me out of no where...
innocently insane I learned early, respect the hills, and weather. On lighter loads I do roll faster, that particular load felt really pushy, if that makes sense. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver.
we need more true drivers like you
Hey Dave. Would you be willing to tell me what factors helped you decide to go with a factory engine in your new truck verses a glider such as Fitzgerald? Thanks.
The big one is warranty. We went with these because of the re-gen system, so we could get back into California. we basically were wanting them to be turn key, ready to go.
Outdoor Dave thanks a lot. I learn a lot from your videos and appreciate the time you put into them.
+Mike W. thank you
I used to run midwest to west coast hauling swinging beef. Never less than 43k with a1979 Peterbilt 352 cabover, 290 cummins 9 speed. No Jake brake. This was back in the mid 80's. I just had to hold on every once in a while. Going up in about 3rd gear and coming down in george overdrive. Miss those days.
Sheeewww boy! Brings back some memories. I hope I never have to go up that hill again let alone come down it. Used to haul 50,000 pounds of beer down that hill each week. I always came down it just like you. Hell they have a sign for recommended speeds per weight at the top. Most drivers that flew by me just like they did you I doubt ever really considered that sign. Good to know I'm not the only one driving down that hill like you did.
I like your method for geting down the big mountain.
It works for me. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel.
Great video! Well done!
Thank you