bangagong most of the time i would probably agree with you, however, this engine allows me to climb hills, most of the time, as fast as i want, regardless of the load.
It annoys me seeing so many people saying you don't know what your doing when its obviously quite the opposite... Thank you for driving safely and sharing this information with others
I was a cross-country truck driver for 20 years. this is a basic essential skill that every truck driver must have. but most of them do not. and that was my goal to get down the hill without touching my brakes. for every hill I was successful doing that I'd buy myself a giant steak dinner as a reward.
runner4eg1 80000 pds is nothing compare to 85000 or 90000 or even 1000000 going down hills never lost a load and it was hay so this little nonsense you guys call load is lame be a real driver and check out about hauling hay did this for 25 yrs started when i was 13 hello
I was a careful driver : gave up my right of way, knew who was on my back, left and right , always had a predetermined ‘way out ‘ planned, obeyed the speed limit and was watching for the unexpected. People would ‘drag race’ me to cut me off ahead for the right exit instead of drifting behind my right side and making a safe lane change. They would pull out right in front of me ( did they not see the big semi truck or think that 84,000 pounds could stop 🛑 on a dime ) ? Pulling in front of me and slowing down was the norm. I have had drivers pass and charge lanes in front of me so that I could not see them over the hood.? One time I was making a right turn and the following pickup tried to pass me on the right??? He totaled out my truck, my trailer ( a loaded Kilbrew ) , his truck and trailer. I was going about 5 miles per hour and he knocked my truck and trailer ( 79,000 pounds) 60 feet to my left. He was driving a 3/4 pickup truck and his trailer weighed 18,000 pounds?? He tried to sue me because “ I HURT HIM “ ??? In court he stated that he was only going 50 miles per hour when he hit me ( you go and figure that). The next time I was parked at a truck stop eating my brunch and a dump truck backed into my front end. I give up, not to drive an eighteen wheeler again. EIDIET drivers can have my spot on the road from now on !🤬😰😤😤😡🤔😈🤮.
Amed Tajan You are a lucky asinine driver. I have hauled over 200,000 pounds in one day without incident ( back and forth) from field to silo. I have ‘ burned ‘ $10,000 of fuel in one month without incident. One is not a pansy if caught up in an incident. Edits can make your life miserable no matter what you can do. Be great full that you are OK ; Instead of being judgmental towards your brother truck drivers , you pompous _itch. Be ashamed
Many moons ago, I'm retired now. My first mountain I went down had a sign said TRUCKS 25MPH MAX. So I was new and obeyed. About 3/4 of the way down a JB Hunt flew by me with brakes smoking like hell. He made it to the bottom, but couldn't see his truck for smoke. Ever since I stuck to the hold the truck back in the proper gear. Jakes help alot as well after i finally got one, No load is worth your life. I'm still here after 45 years of driving, so I did something right. What Dave gives you for advice is like a rule. Anyone who doesn't heed that rule is a fool.
Mike pech 45 years my Ass! Got anymore bullshit stories you wanna tell us?
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@@gearjammer4779 Use your real name dipshit!! And my granddad drove until he was in his mid eighties and after drove illegal for fun until he was 92!! You're talking 70 years of driving so have some respect and shut up.
@ Thanks Mathew. I started driving truck at 20. I retired at 68th birthday. So actually 47 years. Am still hauling my boat at 74 with my pickup. I didn't even bother answering the uneducated wannabe computer game gearjammer.
Some of the drivers going by are grossing a lot lighter. Some aren't. It's foolish to roll down a grade at speeds that if something goes wrong there will be a price to pay. 20 years going down grades the safe way. Slow and easy. My first truck, no jakes. Learned by gear selection and light use of brakes. 18 months of it. Nowadays, three stage jakes, I rarely use my brakes. Don't need-em. Thousands of miles doing it the right way. It only takes one time to wreck it all. I read up on accidents a lot. Speeding is always involved, most of the time. Be smart people. Be ever learning. Gain wisdom, knowledge is powerful. God bless you all.
I experienced no brakes on cabbage with no jake! 130 at the bottom and 5 miles to stop because of a truck pulling off the shoulder and using both lanes to get on the road!
Best thing I’ve seen so far. Glad so to see another trucker being safe. It really worries me how fast these other truckers are going slow and low is key
That's very sad. That accident was preventable. That truck was flying down that hill like a bat out of hell. Plus he didn't use any of the runaway truck ramps.
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@@ladonna1902 When and what was this? I've heard nothing about it.
@@Krieger0926 No cop would care... that's called "maximum speed". There was no minimum speed. I've never seen a minimum speed posted for 65mph. 45mph minimum speed sign is the most common and even then they don't post that on mountain passes. That would be insane.
quit driving after 22 years, I get ask "do you miss it?" and if I ever have the thought "maybe" I just go to you tube and re-visit places. great job and I wish more driving schools /trucking companies were turning out drivers with even this basic knowledge
Wolfgang Vonblack I know exactly what you are saying about the new drivers. I am not ready to come off the road yet. I still love what I do. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there brother.
Jake brake can surely be your best friend on hills like this. I don't live too terribly far from Cabbage Hill, and have smelled hot brakes several times down this. You just find the right gear & jake setting until it holds you. Don't let the engine wind up. I've seen drivers ride their service brakes down this hill!! Great video for teaching people how to do it the right way! :-)
Ran that hill a lot both with and without a Jake. You are so right about getting into the correct gear before going down. Also, don't do what everybody else does. An old truckdriver told me, when I first started out.... you drive your truck and let them drive theirs. Enjoy your channel. Stay safe (as you obviously are). I miss the old days.
He's doing exactly what your suppose to do with that size load on that particular grade. That's what you call safety and taking advantage off what your rig will allow you to do. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽great vid.
American truck drivers are very professional at what they do. Not saying others are not. For over million miles traveled I can only say that I apriciate the advice and guidence when I first started driving. I have learned from some of the best honest and hard working people out there. God Bless and be safe evryone.
I always learned that when driving big equipment, I should drive in a way that I avoid using the brakes at all. Of course you need them in cities and in emergencies, but I always drive with very good distance from the vehicle infront and always start engine braking early into corners and downhills.
Received a call one day from a former driver trainee thanking me for forcing him to learn to downshift going downhill. I didn't permit the use of engine brakes until I was certain trainees had SOLID command of the basics...and then only when they were ready to test. (k, sometimes I relented when they progressed very well. ;-) ) The training wasn't designed to buck the conventional wisdom of selecting the "proper" gear before descending grades loaded, but to know what to do if you're in the wrong gear and you don't have the luxury of a jake to help you. The day he called he was pulling a set of Rocky Mountain doubles in Colorado when he lost his jake brake on a downhill. Remembered his training, he did...
I am not a trucker, though appreciate my friends who are/were. I cannot understand some of the comments here about 'going too slow/hazard. With your almost 40 tonne load... down-hill... I think that was a beautiful, safe, and well controlled descent , and an excellent little video. Not enough people appreciate common sense imho, but I sure enjoyed the vicarious ride! Thanks!
It really depends on weight. I run down that hill every week with only 20,000 lbs at 50mph without touching the brakes so some of those trucks could be light.
This is actually the way I like to go down a steep grade, nice and easy plus you don’t overwork or damage your equipment. Sometimes we gotta go back to basics. Take care and keep being safe driver, bless
The closest I have ever come to dying is coming down Cabbage fully loaded and in too high of a gear. Luckily I was able to use my brakes just enough to keep my speed under control enough to not to off the road on the corners. I have seen many trucks off on the runaway truck ramps and with brakes smoking, glowing and on fire. I applaud this driver and his care in not putting himself and others at risk. I know there are negative comments but from my experience on this hill numerous times he is correct.
I did the same thing. One time and one time only did I come down it too fast! After that I always pulled into the rest area, took a deep breath and started the desent in the right gear. It was a lesson learned!
40yrs on the road and still remembered being told the rule of thumb is to go downhill in the same gear needed to climb it, and I'd fitters saying that they'd not seen brake shoes lasting as long on my truck. :)
Jovan9603 I would've went down and I think I have gone down that hill several times. about 35-40mph running rpm's up to about 1650-1700 full Jake's in about 7th gear
you filmed this is in 2016 and the state of Oregon has made this hill a little safer. no much but a little. there used to be many people, trucks and cars alike that have wrecked on this hill. I live about 35 miles from this hill and see it all the time. I tow a camp trailer up and down this hill several times a year and coming down can be scary. 3rd and 2nd gear in my pick up both ways. I am in no hurry
I drove OTR for four years during the mid-90's. The rule I was told was "Whatever gear it took to get up one side, That's the gear you use to down the other side". I never had any problems. Just drive smartly.
Nice job. In over 30 yrs and 3 million miles of driving, only smoked brakes one time on I 5 north bound from California into Oregon. Came down too fast. My father taught me to have great respect for steep grades.
In 19 years driving I never was lucky enough to get a truck with a jake brake so his technique was used with a little twist.decide what gear would be suitable to go down the hill and then use one gear lower instead.ive slightly smelled my brakes but never smoked them and not very often at that.
congrats ! my dad was a trucker from the USA to Costa Rica and never had am accident ! because A. it was his KW. 2. He knew that same thing and 3. He was a heck of responsible driver just like you! drivers in accidents are all you said ! nice day !
perfect operation of a downhill grade-and you can relax! the rigs going by you are not gaining time -there are traffic lights and traffic to deal with-as well they will now sit and wait somewhere to unload -and they are driving unsafe-as well as abusing the brakes on their truck-GOOD JOB!!
The Cummins ISX is the best Jake Brake I have ever operated, hands down! I've used them on 299 in Northern California where you have 4 passes to negotiate in all types of weather. Very good control. Great video.
Back in the early 1980's I used to go off cabbage every morning with a 1974 KW 290 Cummings 13 speed and no Jake brake. The brake check area had no scales in it and we used it every morning to adjust our brakes, usually about 15 to 20 miles an hour with 5lbs brake pressure, smoked my brakes one time and a lesson was learned. Most drivers today haven't a clue about mountain driving or driving period they know enough to be dangerous. You video is right on thank you for representing what a true driver should be.
Late to this video and I know nothing about driving a truck. Back in the 90’s though my husband and I had a logging company. He’d sheer the trees and they’d be chipped right into the semi, and I’d have our kids in that cab and drive the truck to the mill - all on logging roads and a quick drive. It was a blast. Coincidentally, the year the first the Cummins diesel came out in the Dodge pickup, we bought one brand new at the fairgrounds and drove it home. We had it custom stretched into a crew cab - it was beautiful and had a cb radio of course. The good ole days in my life 😊
Spent years up and down cabbage with triples sets and 53 in all weather. The fog at night worse ever respect the mountain because it will bite ,lots of wreaks brakes on fire and my fav over the cliffs slow done you be ok.
It’s after that last curve when the road straightens out and it’s still easily 6-7% where people get in trouble. They think the hill is over and then they start gearing up... then... oops, they miss gears and loose control of their speed
That is precisely what I did a few hours ago. Not to make excuses, but it was dark and by way of comparison that final straight stretch *looks* safer and less of a grade- as you mentioned. Thankfully, I was able to brake enough to safely reengage the jake before things got bad. Pay attention folks- the curves are dangerous, yes, but until you’re at the casino you’re still at risk...
Good advise I've been driving for almost 41 years, been down that hill a few times. Not bad just take your time like he said. The last 28 years just been running dedicated from northwest Arkansas to Dallas area and back twice a week. I love my job, home in weekends home Tuesday night, Thursday night then Friday night Saturday and Sunday then back to work about 8 AM Monday.
I am learning a lot from you and other seasoned drivers out there. I am hoping to get my cdl in June. I have heard to steer clear of some trucking schools, so I am going through the technical college here and hoping I can learn more as I go. I have a pristine car driving record and hope to continue that. My dad always said "Never be in a hurry to die."
probably one of the biggest rukes out here, there is nothing in that trailer worth dying for. take your time, listen to some of the older drivers, they have years of knowledge. Be safe out there future driver.
I know this hill and many others. You did a great job of demonstrating crucial skills. That motor, Jake and transmission work so well together they should be mandatory for all trucks. Fat chance, I know. Have a great day and as always, be safe. You are an excellent driver!
That’s exactly the way I used to do it bud. I’m retired now, but still love truckin. Did it for 35+ years. Anyway great video. Take care and have a good one. 👍
I pulled double trailers for Fed Ex Ground up and down Cabbage many times. We never had heavy loads compared to most trucks but I always used the Jake brake and used caution while driving. It's not worth getting killed or worse out there. Good video.
Several of the companies I drove for were to cheap to buy Jake's. I had to learn to get down without them. If you didn't t want to become part of the landscape you had better keep it in low. I have been over most of the bad ones without Jake's but Don t recommend it. I quit because I got lucky and was offered a good job off the road and there were way to many idiots getting started out there then. When I started in 86 it was still mostly old school type drivers. I left our in 98 and it was a completely different mind set out there. I feel bad for the good guys out there now that have to drive with 70 % idiots.
I appreciate videos like this. When I was over the road I traveled the same route on I-77 every week and saw so many guys smoke up their brakes on the 7% grades. Picking the right gear ahead and using my engine brake like my life depended on it is what got me to the bottom every time. Pick a safe lane according to your speed, use the 4 ways if necessary and have the patience for it all. Use your head.
Hey Dave that looks fun. Like your list at the end and I would say most are a C. some act like they need a unt after that option though. I ran alot between Vancouver and Toronto with my previous job and the Crowsnest is a fun one in winter. It is nice to see guys like you still exist out there being smart on the hills. I live by one rule and this rule only. If you think you cannot learn anymore then its time to get out of the job. most guys out there think they know it all and are the ones ending up in more problems than needed. Stay safe and Have fun. by the way i do like your vids
Thank you. And yes, when i get to the point where i start getting careless and think i can't learn anymore it will be time to park the truck. Be safe out there driver.
Back in the day driving a 1050s ERF truck no power brakes or steering and a crash gearbox. You made sure you got her into the right gear for the hill, before launching onto it. One hill had a sharp right turn at the bottom onto a single track bridge over a river, controlled by traffic lights for one way operation. There was a sand trap to the left that was so hard packed cars would stop in there to take the scene in.
I ran all 48 states, variable routes, and Mid-Western Disturbution never knew what a jake brake or engine brake was. 290 Cummins engine and a 9 speed. Walk up them slowly and walk down them even slower, but did not burn brakes up and lived to talk about it. You learn real fast not to get in a hurry, but then the speed limit was only 55 mph nationwide. I wonder how many drivers recal Mid-Western Disturbution back in the mid to later 70's??? I remember being young, 20 south of Des Moines, IO, 20* below zero F. and my fuel lines slushing up, not enough additive in the fuel. Then there was all the blowing snow, but that was nothing, that is nothing like black ice. Driving on "Black Ice" is what makes a truck driver out of a boy. Hell yes, I miss it, that is in a good way. And still to this day I have no problems with hemoroids.
I haul a heavy load every week from Virginia to Utah West Virginia had some hell of a hills your doing it right I'm glad to see a real professional driver.
What if it’s slick conditions, do you turn down the engine brake? I would pick a much lower gear, and run the engine brake on stage 1 and tap my brakes only when needed. Is that the proper technique for slick conditions, ie wet road/snow or ice?
I always go down that hill exactly as he does. Even more so, I permit extra heavy on 5 axles. Went down that hill grossing 96,000 but in low range and at 10mph. The bottom of that hill (and many others) will always wait for me, and I have brakes for when I need them to stop ASAP.
Would like to see a video of the whole hill I used to ride with my grandfather up and down for several years during all four seasons he was a trucker for almost 62 years
Cabbage Hill & Meacham are a real trip no matter the time of year. Closed many times during winter. I know cause lived in Eastern Oregon many years. My son was OTR and I have great respect for long haulers.
My Dad taught me to drive on Cabbage Hill back before it was 4 laned. He had an old Ford C1000 Square Box tractor with a 318 and a 13 speed. No Jake. We picked up a load of wheat in laGrande and took it to the port in Hermiston.
Li used to drive a truck that had no Jake brakes and I had to go over the Grapevine I California It's a 6% grade one the N. Bound side and I always made it down. The brakes would a little warm by the time I reached the bottom but I always made it. Jake brakes help a lot.
Haha, when I drove to from Az to Va and back I always smelled the breaks from the trucks going down the hills and it was bad!! Great video again Dave!!
Been up and down Cabbage Hill dozens of times. The first right when you actually get on the grade can bite you and they have the reduced speed lefts(cars)that give Cabbage it's challenge. Oh and if you truckers don't already know this, Oregon's finest love to sit at the bottom and literally time you from top to bottom. So if you're planning on flying down her, it may be more than your brakes that you burn up. You may end up burning up some money too.
It's been called at least three names over many years: Cabbage Hill; Emigrant Pass; Dead Man Pass. I drove it twice a week in the 1960's before jake brakes .......or even CB radios. We ALWAYS crawled down the hill slower than we went up.........especially in the winter time through the snow and ice. Great memories. My brother trucked all his life. I left the trucks in the mid 60's; but, they never left me. Good driviing, good advice, good video. Of your "three choices" for those "DRIVERS" blowing past you, I only recognize one: IDIOTS One of our best friends , going down Cabbage, fried his brakes, lost his pull trailer in a curve which hit a car and killed people. He lost his CDL and ruined his life.
petry knapele i jave slowed down a lot 0ver the years, through the grace of God, i have been fortunate that i learned lessons with out wrecking anyone, or anything. thanks for watching amd supporting my channel
I have done it,with an old volvo with basic hp 400 and very little torque at almost 80,000 lbs.8 gears.the trick is to select the proper gear before heading down.some of the trucks passing,they are carrying very little weight.and you have to relay weight to speed.the heavier the slowest,the lighter the faster,but not too fast,still a very long downhill.wildhorse casino and truck stop at the bottom to cool down and eat.ah and fuel up.😊nice video.
Thanks for sharing. I've only done that hill twice in a truck (I've driven almost exclusively local in the Puget Sound area). Was pretty scared first time but followed this same strategy and got down just fine....not even a blip.
There is a 10%down grade in Pennsylvania that is a mini version of Cabbage, only the truck speed is 10 MPH. IT is sharp and curvy, very steep and to the point.
Feel exactly the way you do Ive come down Fancy gap mountain and cloyds mountain both in southern va. too many times and seen too many trucks lose their brakes because they tried to come down those two mountains at way too great a speed. Id rather take a little longer and get too the bottom than reach the bottom in an ambulance or worse yet in a body bag
yep, thats how your suppost to do it... I always did it in 8th gear, on a 10 speed, just got to know when, and how to break, and they wont smoke up. I came down that hill one night, with extream dense fog... couldnt see but two zipper lines... I ran that at 10 to 15 mph, and damn near shit myself, hoping noone would run into me... That fog just snuck up on me out of no where...
innocently insane I learned early, respect the hills, and weather. On lighter loads I do roll faster, that particular load felt really pushy, if that makes sense. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver.
Darlene Young the key to going down hill, is, pick the gear you want at the top. You can go down a hill 1000 times too slow, you only go down once too fast. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver
Down shifting on a hill is dangerous. If you miss that gear and start picking up speed youll be in trouble. Like he said pick it before you start down. Too slow isnt a problem. Too fast is
You don't downshift ON the hill. You downshift BEFORE you start down. and you run down all the way one or two gears lower than you went up! Believe me, the load will take care of all the acceleration that you can handle! There's a good reason they call this "Deadman Pass"
Darlene Young the steep part of the grade starts just before the right hander past the vista point. Driver here had this rig slowed down while still on top.
I myself don't like coming down cabbage due to the ignorance of other drivers. Almost Everytime I go down I have to take the shoulder. Because they are not app attention to my four ways and some have missed me mere feet from smacking my trailer at 60+mph. Why should I have to fear for my life because I choose to do it the right way?
Dwayne Sanchez there are a lot of people that go down that way. I will c9ntinue to follow the speed limits and pray that the good Lord above takes care of me. Thanks for watching, and be safe out there driver
I remember years ago driving the old vintage trucks with no engine brake. Pipestone pass in Montana was a good experience pulling a lowboy loaded with potato equipment for North Dakota. I tell you it took forever to get to the bottom!
I used to run the hill back in 2002 and my thought me how to run down it. I use have other trucks fly by me and tell to kicked up but i felt safer the way i went down it plus i was heavier than the other truck's
Helllo from Michigan, USA. I'm long retired now, I drove over the Smoky Mountains with my dad but my first solo included the Big Horn mountains, part of the Rockies. I went down the west side with a (late 60s) red 5+2-speed Ford cherry picker with a sleeper, 40' trailer packed with Michigan produce. That's about all I knew about that tractor except I was so damn proud to be sitting up there with the Macks, Petes, Freightshakers and KWs. Back then you would wave your left hand sideways as you passed another truck going in the opposite direction on the two-lane highways to signal there was a cop ahead of him. That meant to slow down. Fast forward twenty years; (wait, don't pay any attention to all the shit I did in that time.}. Climbing, the foothills, climbing on the eastern side, I had to stop for a herd of free-range cattle just meandering across the road. Nothing you can do but set your brakes and nap or eat or play with yourself. Winding back, forth, up, down, looking over the edge of the road which had no guardrails, at night I could see the the lights of cars and trucks on the road a hundred feet below. Anyway, when I got to the foot of the Big Horns, early in the morning, I stopped in the first little town I came to. I ordered coffee and breakfast, then asked the waitress "Where am I?" She said "You're in Tensleep, Wyoming. You OK?" I ate breakfast, took a dump, and started on my trip again. Using low gears and intermittent braking kept me healthy for the rest of my 36 year career driving trucks. Thanks, Dad.
Sheeewww boy! Brings back some memories. I hope I never have to go up that hill again let alone come down it. Used to haul 50,000 pounds of beer down that hill each week. I always came down it just like you. Hell they have a sign for recommended speeds per weight at the top. Most drivers that flew by me just like they did you I doubt ever really considered that sign. Good to know I'm not the only one driving down that hill like you did.
I spent 28 years out there before I retired accident free,but my first time down fancygap,i burnt my breaks all the way down truck speeds up with you standing on breaks,like a trooper I didn't panic though was tough not too,past the Carolina inspection spot so fast it was a blur 100 plus,truck eventually slowed hehe,but never forgot it the whole time I drove,but that's the experience it takes to get through a career,be safe drivers,,,stir crazy
I drove a Hino flatbed 21 flatbed tow truck coming south down Monteagle that was limited to 71 dismal m.p.h. and if I left it on cruise riding empty it would always be going 86 or 88 downhill, never needed to touch the brake thankfully.
I've done it both ways too fast and nice and easy. I like your way a lot more. Very worth-while video. All beginners should have this as mandatory study.before gettin' behind the wheel. Nice concept.
I drove up and down that hill many times in the 80s, but I grew up hearing the story of my father losing his brakes going down the mountain. The story ends thankfully with him alive sitting on the side of the hwy at the bottom shaking from fear. Close call.
Thank you so much Sir for the video I was out with a trainer in West VA all he wanted to fly down those curves and hill and I was doing exactly what you was doing trying to take my time and take things slow then all of a sudden he complains about his fuel being burn up and wear and tear on truck because he is a owner operator guess what got off of his truck and got another trainer
Thanks for the video sir. I don't haul anything over 80,000 and that's in a vac truck. It's nerve wracking with a top heavy weight vehicle on that Hill! Slow and steady is the name of the game.
Back when I drove otr.... company trucks didn't have the ",Jake" system...all gears...and ..yes if you gear right ...the amount of times you have use your brakes can be counted on 1 hand...great driving driver... I do wish we'd have had Jake's though
I learned how to come down a mountain in a truck without a jake. you learn the proper way. I love hearing guys now I am scared cuz I don't have a jake brake. please. the driver instructor didn't teach you correctly. but I will say this. i had a cummins isx 600 and the jake was so good. the isx jake is so much stronger then the other brands. the c13 i have now it is like no jake compared to the cummins i had. and also cabbage can surprise a lot of people. first time i went down there was no warning like other places. find the right gear and it is fine.
I drive an automatic, and my mentor never had me go down grades NOT using the jake brake, so now when its icy, or rainy and I'm going down grades I get nervous because I'm not 100% sure what to do...or what gear to be in...
I remember that hill, first time ever to run it. If I am not mistaken that pull off back there would have had a sign telling you what gear to be in for the weight you had. Like you I had 76000# and I think it said I should run in 5th gear but you know us truckers. I went down in 7th, 3rd stage jake on a Cummins 350 twisted. I got passed left and right but I made it and like you the stink of brakes would burn your nose. Safe truck n driver
You’re safety driver keeping cool your brakes ready when you need it. Good job! I’m truck driver too, many people don’t understand the brakes in a heavy truck are for slow down not for stop maybe with double own weights that’s the reason for use the engine brake.
I'm never over 50mph going down cabbage even when empty. Lived in Pendleton for 4 years and have seen 6 semis burn up just past the Arrow Head on ramp to the highway. 2014 7 drivers died in 2 weeks from dense fog and ice half way down the mountain. Cabbage saint no joke.
I used to run midwest to west coast hauling swinging beef. Never less than 43k with a1979 Peterbilt 352 cabover, 290 cummins 9 speed. No Jake brake. This was back in the mid 80's. I just had to hold on every once in a while. Going up in about 3rd gear and coming down in george overdrive. Miss those days.
I was born and raised in Oregon. My first truck was a *Detroit Diesel Silver 92* 475HP (so while it had a Jake, it was rather weak). I pulled a flatbed 5 western states before the *spotted owl BS* (then switched to Van, 48 states). Like most new drivers in the 90s I went to school to get my CDL, then got hired on by a small outfit with seven trucks. Growing up as I had, I already knew that the mountains could kill ya if you were dumb, and that school had only taught me enough to get me my job. As I was raised polite, I learned and listened and played follow the leader a lot. Funny, I never did ever pass anyone on Cabbage, or Fancy Gap, or Donner...
Dam a real semi driver that know what he is doing, I am impressed, I grew up a heavy Construction family’s business tandem Dumps, mini. wheelers, 8 yard bucket payloaders, dirt pans single and double header, 24 yd semi dumps all before cell phones we had Motorola low band radios in all then trucks, we were big enough to do 12 of the then 16 over pass ramps on what was I -75, now I -275
This should be a national teaching video for how to go down that Hill.. I live in Oregon and am acquainted with that scenario / Road.. Not as a trucker but a four wheeler.
I drove that in a truck that had no jake brakes... and yes i was smoking halfway down as well. But that last downward straightaway makes your mind wonder how fast you would end up if you let it go... lol
My first year out they sent me wast of Denver with 76 GVW, I had no idea what I was in for being from Fl. An old driver helped me out and told me the same thing, you go down this hill 1 time fast or 1000 times slow, your choice kid. I learned the hard way but it was learned indeed.
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I've been driving for almost 25 years, we need more true drivers like you.
just trying to do it the right way and not hurt or kill anyone. be safe out there driver.
Outdoor Dave. that is the only way it needs to be done. One never knows when something is gonna go wrong and it's scary as f#(€ once it does
Whatever gear you go up in, go down in 1 or 2 gears less.
bangagong most of the time i would probably agree with you, however, this engine allows me to climb hills, most of the time, as fast as i want, regardless of the load.
Replacing brakes is a bit spendy!
It annoys me seeing so many people saying you don't know what your doing when its obviously quite the opposite... Thank you for driving safely and sharing this information with others
Mr. Cool everybody jas their own way of doing things, this is how i do it, everytime. Thank you for your support and stay safe out there driver
I was a cross-country truck driver for 20 years. this is a basic essential skill that every truck driver must have. but most of them do not. and that was my goal to get down the hill without touching my brakes. for every hill I was successful doing that I'd buy myself a giant steak dinner as a reward.
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Go buy yourself another steak dinner for your 20 years of service. I'd do it but I'm on the other side of the internet. Hats off!
runner4eg1 80000 pds is nothing compare to 85000 or 90000 or even 1000000 going down hills never lost a load and it was hay so this little nonsense you guys call load is lame be a real driver and check out about hauling hay did this for 25 yrs started when i was 13 hello
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I was a careful driver : gave up my right of way, knew who was on my back, left and right , always had a predetermined ‘way out ‘ planned, obeyed the speed limit and was watching for the unexpected. People would ‘drag race’ me to cut me off ahead for the right exit instead of drifting behind my right side and making a safe lane change. They would pull out right in front of me ( did they not see the big semi truck or think that 84,000 pounds could stop 🛑 on
a dime ) ? Pulling in front of me and slowing down was the norm. I have had drivers pass and charge lanes in front of me so that I could not see them over the hood.? One time I was making a right turn and the following pickup tried to pass me on the right??? He totaled out my truck, my trailer ( a loaded Kilbrew ) , his truck and trailer. I was going about 5 miles per hour and he knocked my truck and trailer ( 79,000 pounds) 60 feet to my left. He was driving a 3/4 pickup truck and his trailer weighed 18,000 pounds?? He tried to sue me because “ I HURT HIM “ ??? In court he stated that he was only going 50 miles per hour when he hit me ( you go and figure that). The next time I was parked at a truck stop eating my brunch and a dump truck backed into my front end.
I give up, not to drive an eighteen wheeler again.
EIDIET drivers can have my spot on the road from now on !🤬😰😤😤😡🤔😈🤮.
Amed Tajan You are a lucky asinine driver. I have hauled over 200,000 pounds in one day without incident ( back and forth) from field to silo. I have ‘ burned ‘ $10,000 of fuel in one month without incident. One is not a pansy if caught up in an incident. Edits can make your life miserable no matter what you can do. Be great full that you are OK ; Instead of being judgmental towards your brother truck drivers , you pompous _itch. Be ashamed
Many moons ago, I'm retired now. My first mountain I went down had a sign said TRUCKS 25MPH MAX. So I was new and obeyed. About 3/4 of the way down a JB Hunt flew by me with brakes smoking like hell. He made it to the bottom, but couldn't see his truck for smoke. Ever since I stuck to the hold the truck back in the proper gear. Jakes help alot as well after i finally got one, No load is worth your life. I'm still here after 45 years of driving, so I did something right. What Dave gives you for advice is like a rule. Anyone who doesn't heed that rule is a fool.
yessir, and if you don't go by some rules, you can get hurt real bad or killed.
Mike pech 45 years my Ass!
Got anymore bullshit stories you wanna tell us?
@@gearjammer4779 Use your real name dipshit!! And my granddad drove until he was in his mid eighties and after drove illegal for fun until he was 92!! You're talking 70 years of driving so have some respect and shut up.
@@gearjammer4779 yea im 102 and still running from fla to cali 2 times a week
@ Thanks Mathew. I started driving truck at 20. I retired at 68th birthday. So actually 47 years. Am still hauling my boat at 74 with my pickup. I didn't even bother answering the uneducated wannabe computer game gearjammer.
Some of the drivers going by are grossing a lot lighter. Some aren't. It's foolish to roll down a grade at speeds that if something goes wrong there will be a price to pay. 20 years going down grades the safe way. Slow and easy. My first truck, no jakes. Learned by gear selection and light use of brakes. 18 months of it. Nowadays, three stage jakes, I rarely use my brakes. Don't need-em. Thousands of miles doing it the right way. It only takes one time to wreck it all.
I read up on accidents a lot. Speeding is always involved, most of the time. Be smart people. Be ever learning. Gain wisdom, knowledge is powerful. God bless you all.
I experienced no brakes on cabbage with no jake! 130 at the bottom and 5 miles to stop because of a truck pulling off the shoulder and using both lanes to get on the road!
Best thing I’ve seen so far. Glad so to see another trucker being safe. It really worries me how fast these other truckers are going slow and low is key
Wish the I-70 trucker drove like this. 4 more people would still be with us today.
That's very sad. That accident was preventable. That truck was flying down that hill like a bat out of hell. Plus he didn't use any of the runaway truck ramps.
@@ladonna1902 When and what was this? I've heard nothing about it.
@ this accident happened about two weeks ago. West of Denver, CO. It was all over the news and RUclips.
Passed a 65 mph "trucks" sign going 35. You're lucky there wasn't a cop behind you.
@@Krieger0926 No cop would care... that's called "maximum speed". There was no minimum speed. I've never seen a minimum speed posted for 65mph. 45mph minimum speed sign is the most common and even then they don't post that on mountain passes. That would be insane.
quit driving after 22 years, I get ask "do you miss it?" and if I ever have the thought "maybe" I just go to you tube and re-visit places. great job and I wish more driving schools /trucking companies were turning out drivers with even this basic knowledge
Wolfgang Vonblack I know exactly what you are saying about the new drivers. I am not ready to come off the road yet. I still love what I do. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there brother.
I quit at 33 yrs driving. Sorry but the newbies were too scary. I miss it sometimes but I was not going to do e-logs either.
Jake brake can surely be your best friend on hills like this. I don't live too terribly far from Cabbage Hill, and have smelled hot brakes several times down this. You just find the right gear & jake setting until it holds you. Don't let the engine wind up. I've seen drivers ride their service brakes down this hill!! Great video for teaching people how to do it the right way! :-)
Ran that hill a lot both with and without a Jake. You are so right about getting into the correct gear before going down. Also, don't do what everybody else does. An old truckdriver told me, when I first started out.... you drive your truck and let them drive theirs. Enjoy your channel. Stay safe (as you obviously are). I miss the old days.
He's doing exactly what your suppose to do with that size load on that particular grade. That's what you call safety and taking advantage off what your rig will allow you to do. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽great vid.
JuiceOg1 thank you for the kind words and support for my channel, be safe out there driver
Technically he could go faster with tapping the brakes. But this video is about going down with touching the brakes.
reminds me of the time I was on brakes hill with no cabbage
Lmao 😂
That's a hell of a place to be with no cabbage!?😂🤣
They were giving cabbage away at the Mexico side of the border if you bought two Chiclet you get one head of cabbage.
My dad would be impressed. He's been a trucker for 20 years, and I'm sure he'll like you.
American truck drivers are very professional at what they do. Not saying others are not. For over million miles traveled I can only say that I apriciate the advice and guidence when I first started driving. I have learned from some of the best honest and hard working people out there. God Bless and be safe evryone.
I always learned that when driving big equipment, I should drive in a way that I avoid using the brakes at all. Of course you need them in cities and in emergencies, but I always drive with very good distance from the vehicle infront and always start engine braking early into corners and downhills.
Received a call one day from a former driver trainee thanking me for forcing him to learn to downshift going downhill. I didn't permit the use of engine brakes until I was certain trainees had SOLID command of the basics...and then only when they were ready to test. (k, sometimes I relented when they progressed very well. ;-) )
The training wasn't designed to buck the conventional wisdom of selecting the "proper" gear before descending grades loaded, but to know what to do if you're in the wrong gear and you don't have the luxury of a jake to help you. The day he called he was pulling a set of Rocky Mountain doubles in Colorado when he lost his jake brake on a downhill. Remembered his training, he did...
I totally agree, there is no substitute for proper training.
I am not a trucker, though appreciate my friends who are/were. I cannot understand some of the comments here about 'going too slow/hazard.
With your almost 40 tonne load... down-hill... I think that was a beautiful, safe, and well controlled descent , and an excellent little video.
Not enough people appreciate common sense imho, but I sure enjoyed the vicarious ride!
Thanks!
Lotsa moron who think they know better out there. Just disregard the couch jockey's. Brainless.
my hands and feet were sweating at seeing how fast the others were going lol
rialbb makes me nervous too. Thanks for watching amd supporting my channel, be safe out there driver
You ain't lying and that's crazy.
It really depends on weight. I run down that hill every week with only 20,000 lbs at 50mph without touching the brakes so some of those trucks could be light.
If their load is light maybe their speed is appropriate
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Me too! I've been on that road(I'm not a truck driver) & it's pretty scary. even in good road conditions..
This is actually the way I like to go down a steep grade, nice and easy plus you don’t overwork or damage your equipment. Sometimes we gotta go back to basics. Take care and keep being safe driver, bless
The closest I have ever come to dying is coming down Cabbage fully loaded and in too high of a gear. Luckily I was
able to use my brakes just enough to keep my speed under control enough to not to off the road on the corners. I have seen many trucks off on the runaway truck ramps and with brakes smoking, glowing and on fire. I applaud this driver and his care in not putting himself and others at risk. I know there are negative comments but from my experience on this hill numerous times he is correct.
I did the same thing. One time and one time only did I come down it too fast! After that I always pulled into the rest area, took a deep breath and started the desent in the right gear. It was a lesson learned!
My first trip down I flew with the Angel's. I thanked the good Lord for protection and learned a lesson...be safe drivers.
40yrs on the road and still remembered being told the rule of thumb is to go downhill in the same gear needed to climb it, and I'd fitters saying that they'd not seen brake shoes lasting as long on my truck. :)
Kudos to you man, I came down that mountain pass last week at 35mph and my load was 78600 glad to see you made it down safely.
Jovan9603 i am glad to hear from you, great job on cominf down the hill
Jovan9603 I would've went down and I think I have gone down that hill several times. about 35-40mph running rpm's up to about 1650-1700 full Jake's in about 7th gear
Very sound advice. I wouldn't want that much weight pushing me down a grade like that without an exhaust brake.
i have been down it grossing around 70,000, with out an engine brake, and by applying the nethid that i use, i never got the beakes hot.
you filmed this is in 2016 and the state of Oregon has made this hill a little safer. no much but a little. there used to be many people, trucks and cars alike that have wrecked on this hill. I live about 35 miles from this hill and see it all the time. I tow a camp trailer up and down this hill several times a year and coming down can be scary. 3rd and 2nd gear in my pick up both ways. I am in no hurry
I drove OTR for four years during the mid-90's. The rule I was told was "Whatever gear it took to get up one side, That's the gear you use to down the other side". I never had any problems. Just drive smartly.
Nice job. In over 30 yrs and 3 million miles of driving, only smoked brakes one time on I 5 north bound from California into Oregon. Came down too fast. My father taught me to have great respect for steep grades.
Fool's I have been down cabbage.Suppose you have to stop at the bottom. What you going to do. Glad to see a driver with some sense. Proud of you.
Excellent! I absolutely get the jitters when down Cabbage Hill, going up is no picnic either especially in the winter!
In 19 years driving I never was lucky enough to get a truck with a jake brake so his technique was used with a little twist.decide what gear would be suitable to go down the hill and then use one gear lower instead.ive slightly smelled my brakes but never smoked them and not very often at that.
congrats ! my dad was a trucker from the USA to Costa Rica and never had am accident ! because A. it was his KW. 2. He knew that same thing and 3. He was a heck of responsible driver just like you! drivers in accidents are all you said ! nice day !
Ty to all the safe truckers like this guy. I appreciate it.
perfect operation of a downhill grade-and you can relax! the rigs going by you are not gaining time -there are traffic lights and traffic to deal with-as well they will now sit and wait somewhere to unload -and they are driving unsafe-as well as abusing the brakes on their truck-GOOD JOB!!
Thank you sir.
The Cummins ISX is the best Jake Brake I have ever operated, hands down! I've used them on 299 in Northern California where you have 4 passes to negotiate in all types of weather. Very good control. Great video.
The new Cummins x15 is supposed to work even better.
Back in the early 1980's I used to go off cabbage every morning with a 1974 KW 290 Cummings 13 speed and no Jake brake. The brake check area had no scales in it and we used it every morning to adjust our brakes, usually about 15 to 20 miles an hour with 5lbs brake pressure, smoked my brakes one time and a lesson was learned. Most drivers today haven't a clue about mountain driving or driving period they know enough to be dangerous. You video is right on thank you for representing what a true driver should be.
Late to this video and I know nothing about driving a truck. Back in the 90’s though my husband and I had a logging company. He’d sheer the trees and they’d be chipped right into the semi, and I’d have our kids in that cab and drive the truck to the mill - all on logging roads and a quick drive. It was a blast.
Coincidentally, the year the first the Cummins diesel came out in the Dodge pickup, we bought one brand new at the fairgrounds and drove it home. We had it custom stretched into a crew cab - it was beautiful and had a cb radio of course.
The good ole days in my life 😊
Spent years up and down cabbage with triples sets and 53 in all weather. The fog at night worse ever respect the mountain because it will bite ,lots of wreaks brakes on fire and my fav over the cliffs slow done you be ok.
It’s after that last curve when the road straightens out and it’s still easily 6-7% where people get in trouble. They think the hill is over and then they start gearing up... then... oops, they miss gears and loose control of their speed
It is a very deceiving hill for sure.
That is precisely what I did a few hours ago. Not to make excuses, but it was dark and by way of comparison that final straight stretch *looks* safer and less of a grade- as you mentioned. Thankfully, I was able to brake enough to safely reengage the jake before things got bad. Pay attention folks- the curves are dangerous, yes, but until you’re at the casino you’re still at risk...
Good advise I've been driving for almost 41 years, been down that hill a few times. Not bad just take your time like he said. The last 28 years just been running dedicated from northwest Arkansas to Dallas area and back twice a week. I love my job, home in weekends home Tuesday night, Thursday night then Friday night Saturday and Sunday then back to work about 8 AM Monday.
I am learning a lot from you and other seasoned drivers out there. I am hoping to get my cdl in June. I have heard to steer clear of some trucking schools, so I am going through the technical college here and hoping I can learn more as I go. I have a pristine car driving record and hope to continue that. My dad always said "Never be in a hurry to die."
probably one of the biggest rukes out here, there is nothing in that trailer worth dying for. take your time, listen to some of the older drivers, they have years of knowledge. Be safe out there future driver.
also, check out Allie Knight, she has a channel on here as well
I know this hill and many others. You did a great job of demonstrating crucial skills. That motor, Jake and transmission work so well together they should be mandatory for all trucks. Fat chance, I know. Have a great day and as always, be safe. You are an excellent driver!
That’s exactly the way I used to do it bud. I’m retired now, but still love truckin. Did it for 35+ years. Anyway great video. Take care and have a good one. 👍
I pulled double trailers for Fed Ex Ground up and down Cabbage many times. We never had heavy loads compared to most trucks but I always used the Jake brake and used caution while driving. It's not worth getting killed or worse out there. Good video.
Several of the companies I drove for were to cheap to buy Jake's. I had to learn to get down without them. If you didn't t want to become part of the landscape you had better keep it in low. I have been over most of the bad ones without Jake's but Don t recommend it. I quit because I got lucky and was offered a good job off the road and there were way to many idiots getting started out there then. When I started in 86 it was still mostly old school type drivers. I left our in 98 and it was a completely different mind set out there. I feel bad for the good guys out there now that have to drive with 70 % idiots.
I appreciate videos like this. When I was over the road I traveled the same route on I-77 every week and saw so many guys smoke up their brakes on the 7% grades. Picking the right gear ahead and using my engine brake like my life depended on it is what got me to the bottom every time. Pick a safe lane according to your speed, use the 4 ways if necessary and have the patience for it all. Use your head.
Hey Dave that looks fun. Like your list at the end and I would say most are a C. some act like they need a unt after that option though. I ran alot between Vancouver and Toronto with my previous job and the Crowsnest is a fun one in winter. It is nice to see guys like you still exist out there being smart on the hills. I live by one rule and this rule only. If you think you cannot learn anymore then its time to get out of the job. most guys out there think they know it all and are the ones ending up in more problems than needed. Stay safe and Have fun. by the way i do like your vids
Thank you. And yes, when i get to the point where i start getting careless and think i can't learn anymore it will be time to park the truck. Be safe out there driver.
Back in the day driving a 1050s ERF truck no power brakes or steering and a crash gearbox. You made sure you got her into the right gear for the hill, before launching onto it. One hill had a sharp right turn at the bottom onto a single track bridge over a river, controlled by traffic lights for one way operation. There was a sand trap to the left that was so hard packed cars would stop in there to take the scene in.
I ran all 48 states, variable routes, and Mid-Western Disturbution never knew what a jake brake or engine brake was. 290 Cummins engine and a 9 speed. Walk up them slowly and walk down them even slower, but did not burn brakes up and lived to talk about it. You learn real fast not to get in a hurry, but then the speed limit was only 55 mph nationwide. I wonder how many drivers recal Mid-Western Disturbution back in the mid to later 70's??? I remember being young, 20 south of Des Moines, IO, 20* below zero F. and my fuel lines slushing up, not enough additive in the fuel. Then there was all the blowing snow, but that was nothing, that is nothing like black ice. Driving on "Black Ice" is what makes a truck driver out of a boy. Hell yes, I miss it, that is in a good way. And still to this day I have no problems with hemoroids.
Aaron and Linda George 290 cumins 238 detroit good motores
Was even more going down on packed snow.
I haul a heavy load every week from Virginia to Utah West Virginia had some hell of a hills your doing it right I'm glad to see a real professional driver.
What if it’s slick conditions, do you turn down the engine brake? I would pick a much lower gear, and run the engine brake on stage 1 and tap my brakes only when needed. Is that the proper technique for slick conditions, ie wet road/snow or ice?
Road conditions dictate how you go down hills. Slick road conditions, I would have to feel it out, but yes slower speed would be the big factors.
I always go down that hill exactly as he does. Even more so, I permit extra heavy on 5 axles. Went down that hill grossing 96,000 but in low range and at 10mph. The bottom of that hill (and many others) will always wait for me, and I have brakes for when I need them to stop ASAP.
Your a very good driver, & your grossing over 78Tons, Awesome we need more safe drivers like you!
Getting there and home is the most important thing. Doing it fast can make everything go bad really fast.
Would like to see a video of the whole hill I used to ride with my grandfather up and down for several years during all four seasons he was a trucker for almost 62 years
Cabbage Hill & Meacham are a real trip no matter the time of year. Closed many times during winter. I know cause lived in Eastern Oregon many years. My son was OTR and I have great respect for long haulers.
I like truck drivers like you. You are simply thinking of safety, not only for yourself but others. Better safe than sorry.
My Dad taught me to drive on Cabbage Hill back before it was 4 laned. He had an old Ford C1000 Square Box tractor with a 318 and a 13 speed. No Jake. We picked up a load of wheat in laGrande and took it to the port in Hermiston.
Li used to drive a truck that had no Jake brakes and I had to go over the Grapevine I California It's a 6% grade one the N. Bound side and I always made it down. The brakes would a little warm by the time I reached the bottom but I always made it. Jake brakes help a lot.
Haha, when I drove to from Az to Va and back I always smelled the breaks from the trucks going down the hills and it was bad!! Great video again Dave!!
like i said, i loke the smell of warm brakes, just not on my truck. I do not like the smell of really hot brakes though.
Been up and down Cabbage Hill dozens of times. The first right when you actually get on the grade can bite you and they have the reduced speed lefts(cars)that give Cabbage it's challenge. Oh and if you truckers don't already know this, Oregon's finest love to sit at the bottom and literally time you from top to bottom. So if you're planning on flying down her, it may be more than your brakes that you burn up. You may end up burning up some money too.
Great job and info. I see and smell trucks all the time that should take a look at your video. Thanks.
This pass is one of my favorite passes to go down. Slow and steady wins the race on this hill. I've heard it called emigrant hill also.
Cody Mcpherson yep, definitely one of the most scenic too.
It's been called at least three names over many years: Cabbage Hill; Emigrant Pass; Dead Man Pass. I drove it twice a week in the 1960's
before jake brakes .......or even CB radios. We ALWAYS crawled down the hill slower than we went up.........especially in the winter time
through the snow and ice. Great memories. My brother trucked all his life. I left the trucks in the mid 60's; but, they never left me.
Good driviing, good advice, good video. Of your "three choices" for those "DRIVERS" blowing past you, I only recognize one: IDIOTS
One of our best friends , going down Cabbage, fried his brakes, lost his pull trailer in a curve which hit a car and killed people. He lost his CDL and ruined his life.
Excellent video. I wish more people drove like you do. Everybody is in too much of a damn hurry.
petry knapele i jave slowed down a lot 0ver the years, through the grace of God, i have been fortunate that i learned lessons with out wrecking anyone, or anything. thanks for watching amd supporting my channel
I have done it,with an old volvo with basic hp 400 and very little torque at almost 80,000 lbs.8 gears.the trick is to select the proper gear before heading down.some of the trucks passing,they are carrying very little weight.and you have to relay weight to speed.the heavier the slowest,the lighter the faster,but not too fast,still a very long downhill.wildhorse casino and truck stop at the bottom to cool down and eat.ah and fuel up.😊nice video.
Thanks for sharing. I've only done that hill twice in a truck (I've driven almost exclusively local in the Puget Sound area). Was pretty scared first time but followed this same strategy and got down just fine....not even a blip.
There is a 10%down grade in Pennsylvania that is a mini version of Cabbage, only the truck speed is 10 MPH. IT is sharp and curvy, very steep and to the point.
Feel exactly the way you do Ive come down Fancy gap mountain and cloyds mountain both in southern va. too many times and seen too many trucks lose their brakes because they tried to come down those two mountains at way too great a speed. Id rather take a little longer and get too the bottom than reach the bottom in an ambulance or worse yet in a body bag
We get one chance to get it right, and it only takes a split second to change that forever. Be safe out there.
yep, thats how your suppost to do it... I always did it in 8th gear, on a 10 speed, just got to know when, and how to break, and they wont smoke up.
I came down that hill one night, with extream dense fog... couldnt see but two zipper lines... I ran that at 10 to 15 mph, and damn near shit myself, hoping noone would run into me... That fog just snuck up on me out of no where...
innocently insane I learned early, respect the hills, and weather. On lighter loads I do roll faster, that particular load felt really pushy, if that makes sense. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver.
I have a hard time downshifting on a downhill. You are such a good driver.Thanks for replying.
Darlene Young the key to going down hill, is, pick the gear you want at the top. You can go down a hill 1000 times too slow, you only go down once too fast. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there driver
Down shifting on a hill is dangerous. If you miss that gear and start picking up speed youll be in trouble. Like he said pick it before you start down. Too slow isnt a problem. Too fast is
You don't downshift ON the hill. You downshift BEFORE you start down. and you run down all the way one or two gears lower than you went up! Believe me, the load will take care of all the acceleration that you can handle! There's a good reason they call this "Deadman Pass"
Thank you for confirming that. I am training on Class 1.
Darlene Young the steep part of the grade starts just before the right hander past the vista point. Driver here had this rig slowed down while still on top.
I myself don't like coming down cabbage due to the ignorance of other drivers. Almost Everytime I go down I have to take the shoulder. Because they are not app attention to my four ways and some have missed me mere feet from smacking my trailer at 60+mph. Why should I have to fear for my life because I choose to do it the right way?
Dwayne Sanchez there are a lot of people that go down that way. I will c9ntinue to follow the speed limits and pray that the good Lord above takes care of me. Thanks for watching, and be safe out there driver
How about the Grape Vine in California, truck drivers delight.
I actually have a video of that one on my channel too.
I remember years ago driving the old vintage trucks with no engine brake. Pipestone pass in Montana was a good experience pulling a lowboy loaded with potato equipment for North Dakota. I tell you it took forever to get to the bottom!
I used to run the hill back in 2002 and my thought me how to run down it. I use have other trucks fly by me and tell to kicked up but i felt safer the way i went down it plus i was heavier than the other truck's
The ones that fly down it are driving on borrowed time.
Nice driving what great clip good break safety i drive trucks in new Zealand. Great trucking top man
Thank you sir. Be safe out there brother.
Helllo from Michigan, USA. I'm long retired now, I drove over the Smoky Mountains with my dad but my first solo included the Big Horn mountains, part of the Rockies. I went down the west side with a (late 60s) red 5+2-speed Ford cherry picker with a sleeper, 40' trailer packed with Michigan produce. That's about all I knew about that tractor except I was so damn proud to be sitting up there with the Macks, Petes, Freightshakers and KWs. Back then you would wave your left hand sideways as you passed another truck going in the opposite direction on the two-lane highways to signal there was a cop ahead of him. That meant to slow down. Fast forward twenty years; (wait, don't pay any attention to all the shit I did in that time.}. Climbing, the foothills, climbing on the eastern side, I had to stop for a herd of free-range cattle just meandering across the road. Nothing you can do but set your brakes and nap or eat or play with yourself. Winding back, forth, up, down, looking over the edge of the road which had no guardrails, at night I could see the the lights of cars and trucks on the road a hundred feet below. Anyway, when I got to the foot of the Big Horns, early in the morning, I stopped in the first little town I came to. I ordered coffee and breakfast, then asked the waitress "Where am I?" She said "You're in Tensleep, Wyoming. You OK?" I ate breakfast, took a dump, and started on my trip again. Using low gears and intermittent braking kept me healthy for the rest of my 36 year career driving trucks. Thanks, Dad.
Sheeewww boy! Brings back some memories. I hope I never have to go up that hill again let alone come down it. Used to haul 50,000 pounds of beer down that hill each week. I always came down it just like you. Hell they have a sign for recommended speeds per weight at the top. Most drivers that flew by me just like they did you I doubt ever really considered that sign. Good to know I'm not the only one driving down that hill like you did.
I spent 28 years out there before I retired accident free,but my first time down fancygap,i burnt my breaks all the way down truck speeds up with you standing on breaks,like a trooper I didn't panic though was tough not too,past the Carolina inspection spot so fast it was a blur 100 plus,truck eventually slowed hehe,but never forgot it the whole time I drove,but that's the experience it takes to get through a career,be safe drivers,,,stir crazy
I drove a Hino flatbed 21 flatbed tow truck coming south down Monteagle that was limited to 71 dismal m.p.h. and if I left it on cruise riding empty it would always be going 86 or 88 downhill, never needed to touch the brake thankfully.
I've done it both ways too fast and nice and easy. I like your way a lot more. Very worth-while video. All beginners should have this as mandatory study.before gettin' behind the wheel. Nice concept.
thank you
I drove up and down that hill many times in the 80s, but I grew up hearing the story of my father losing his brakes going down the mountain. The story ends thankfully with him alive sitting on the side of the hwy at the bottom shaking from fear. Close call.
Thank you so much Sir for the video I was out with a trainer in West VA all he wanted to fly down those curves and hill and I was doing exactly what you was doing trying to take my time and take things slow then all of a sudden he complains about his fuel being burn up and wear and tear on truck because he is a owner operator guess what got off of his truck and got another trainer
ThAt is very smart most drivers wouldn't think of just taking your time and let the truck do the work
Thanks for the video sir. I don't haul anything over 80,000 and that's in a vac truck. It's nerve wracking with a top heavy weight vehicle on that Hill! Slow and steady is the name of the game.
Back when I drove otr.... company trucks didn't have the ",Jake" system...all gears...and ..yes if you gear right ...the amount of times you have use your brakes can be counted on 1 hand...great driving driver... I do wish we'd have had Jake's though
My hat is off to you sir, your generation where real drivers. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there brother.
I learned how to come down a mountain in a truck without a jake. you learn the proper way. I love hearing guys now I am scared cuz I don't have a jake brake. please. the driver instructor didn't teach you correctly. but I will say this. i had a cummins isx 600 and the jake was so good. the isx jake is so much stronger then the other brands. the c13 i have now it is like no jake compared to the cummins i had. and also cabbage can surprise a lot of people. first time i went down there was no warning like other places. find the right gear and it is fine.
I drive an automatic, and my mentor never had me go down grades NOT using the jake brake, so now when its icy, or rainy and I'm going down grades I get nervous because I'm not 100% sure what to do...or what gear to be in...
I remember that hill, first time ever to run it. If I am not mistaken that pull off back there would have had a sign telling you what gear to be in for the weight you had. Like you I had 76000# and I think it said I should run in 5th gear but you know us truckers. I went down in 7th, 3rd stage jake on a Cummins 350 twisted. I got passed left and right but I made it and like you the stink of brakes would burn your nose. Safe truck n driver
You’re safety driver keeping cool your brakes ready when you need it. Good job! I’m truck driver too, many people don’t understand the brakes in a heavy truck are for slow down not for stop maybe with double own weights that’s the reason for use the engine brake.
I'm never over 50mph going down cabbage even when empty. Lived in Pendleton for 4 years and have seen 6 semis burn up just past the Arrow Head on ramp to the highway. 2014 7 drivers died in 2 weeks from dense fog and ice half way down the mountain. Cabbage saint no joke.
A lot of people underestimate hills and grades because they get comfortable.
I used to run midwest to west coast hauling swinging beef. Never less than 43k with a1979 Peterbilt 352 cabover, 290 cummins 9 speed. No Jake brake. This was back in the mid 80's. I just had to hold on every once in a while. Going up in about 3rd gear and coming down in george overdrive. Miss those days.
I think the government should make Jake breaks mandatory for all trucks its a beautiful view
Mary Wagner no big rig truck built after the 90’s doesn’t have an engine brake (jake brake)
Not true Jeff. At least if you count day cabs ,I can tell ya.
I worked for a company where the boss was so sure that the jake brakes burned more fuel that he had them all removed. Damn idiot.
Onearmedscissor & I'm just some weeb truck mechanic.. hoping to get into a truck driving career in the next year or two.
I dont know of any truck made in the year 2000 and newer that ain't got one
I was born and raised in Oregon. My first truck was a *Detroit Diesel Silver 92* 475HP (so while it had a Jake, it was rather weak). I pulled a flatbed 5 western states before the *spotted owl BS* (then switched to Van, 48 states).
Like most new drivers in the 90s I went to school to get my CDL, then got hired on by a small outfit with seven trucks. Growing up as I had, I already knew that the mountains could kill ya if you were dumb, and that school had only taught me enough to get me my job. As I was raised polite, I learned and listened and played follow the leader a lot.
Funny, I never did ever pass anyone on Cabbage, or Fancy Gap, or Donner...
Dam a real semi driver that know what he is doing, I am impressed, I grew up a heavy Construction family’s business tandem Dumps, mini. wheelers, 8 yard bucket payloaders, dirt pans single and double header, 24 yd semi dumps all before cell phones we had Motorola low band radios in all then trucks, we were big enough to do 12 of the then 16 over pass ramps on what was I -75, now I -275
Alexis DeVille thank you for watching and supporting my channel. I still catch deal from time to time for this.
Wise advice this is. I like how he thinks. The point of no return can be avoided. Not for ourselves but for whoever is sharing our path
So cool...Beautiful country..thanks for the ride-a-long..
Thank God we still have truck drivers with common sense God bless you brother
This should be a national teaching video for how to go down that Hill..
I live in Oregon and am acquainted with that scenario / Road..
Not as a trucker but a four wheeler.
It was the way I was taught, and so far, it has worked out well for me. Thanks for watching and supporting my channel, be safe out there
I love the sound of jakes! I rarely touch the brakes going down the mountains ether.
That was awesome!!!!! a critical driving lesson for the new driver that has an ear to hear!!
I drove that in a truck that had no jake brakes... and yes i was smoking halfway down as well. But that last downward straightaway makes your mind wonder how fast you would end up if you let it go... lol
That's nice you getting light loads. Our loads are normally around 100,000 pounds. With 8 axles and a cat 600 to pull the hills.
My first year out they sent me wast of Denver with 76 GVW, I had no idea what I was in for being from Fl. An old driver helped me out and told me the same thing, you go down this hill 1 time fast or 1000 times slow, your choice kid. I learned the hard way but it was learned indeed.