My problem with Panerai: 42mm Submersible PAM682
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2021
- The 1950 Luminor Submersible PAM00682 dive watch and my problem with Panerai.
Time Titans - www.timetitans.com
Wardrobe: H&M cotton twill shirt jacket, Bonobos lightweight flannel (plaid), Bonobos stretch cord shirt (green)
Another example with the poor case brushing: www.bernardwatch.com/Panerai/... 
Наука
That bezel wiggle made my heart sink. Truly a horological horror
I hope everyone feels that way and sells them and floods the used market with 42 subs. Then I can get one cheaper
I think you'll find that on most rotating bezels, but that to that degree
I am considering a submersible for my next daily. Is this common on all Panerai submersibles?
I own this watch with the Bianco dial. I also own a rolex sub. The Panerai bezel action is the most satisfying yet mechanical feeling. I absolutely love the bezel on this watch and prefer it over the sub
@@stefanopasquarelli6084 how on earth did you get one?!?! My AD said they weren’t even shipping them yet
Recently found this channel. Love the attitude of not taking this whole thing too seriously. The background music is always great and I love all of the vibrant colors. Another great video!
My jaw dropped at the bezel wiggle. For $8900 that kind of issue is unthinkable. The bezel on my $70 Casio Duro doesn't even do that.
With that said, *maybe* it's a defect they're willing to fix under warranty.
Mayyyyybe
@@YoureTerrificYes, make a warranty claim. If you have access to a Panerai AD, do the show and tell for them. They will have to agree that it is unacceptable.
@@jonathanl2748 It's not his watch.
@@gyang333 Ah, you’re correct.
the wiggle isn't nearly as bad in my 682, it's barely noticeable. so it's a case by case basis, but yeah Panerai needs to step up their QC.
I love this channel. Everyone can tell you love watches, and you're not remotely afraid to lean into the stereotypes and watch-nerd-ism's which makes for great, approachable, honest content. Keep it up my dude cause YoureTerrific...eh? eh? I'll see myself out...
Thanks so much. Glad my enthusiasm comes through.
You about covered it! I used to have 12 Panerai models, now down to 4 and counting. Selling off everything because of the repeated bad experiences I keep having with the brand. Not sure what is going on with Panerai anymore, but I had enough! Recently, Panerai damaged one of my watches on service and has still yet to resolve the issue. From sending the wrong size straps (how does that consistently happen?!) to the poor customer service received by their online concierge and the various boutiques I frequent....I AM DONE! Panerai will NEVER get another dime from me. Love your videos, happy new year!
Your best video yet! That music was so cool and fit this video/watch so well. I absolutely love this watch too. I picked up an Omega Seamaster Diver 300M for my "diver on rubber strap" category. But one day I may upgrade to the PAM. There's nothing quite like it.
2022 Christmas gift. thank you for the video. Went to hudson yard store to do a dry test, it fit like a glove. What a machine! Thinking of purchasing for myself as a gift.
For me, I have an endless supply of pitchforks in my quiver aimed at Panerai,for me! Happy New Year 🎆.
Love the soundtracks that you place over your content, this one may be the best yet. You need to bring out an album 👌
I TOTALLY agree with your review. I recently bought, after an arduous search of nearly 2 years, a PAM Submersible 1055. Same flaws as you pointed out. But I LOVE it!!!
It's not a flaw it's a manufacturing fault.
@@31hallite quality for Panerai is an OXYMORON. I have a 398 with THREE letter “e” engraved for the word STEEEL!!!
With you all the way, absolutely love this style, size and design, but how much, it’s absolutely mental, I simply can’t justify it in my mind/wallet. Thanks for another great video.
Yeah, no 9k watch should have those issues. The bezel wiggle is INSANE.
Perfect video as always!
My 47 mm Submersible homage exhibits the very same looseness in the bezel. I would never have thought that the folks over at Kimsdun would go to such lengths to treat me to such an authentic Submersible ownership experience for only $25 (including shipping all the way from China)!
Yes. It’s quite acceptable at $25, I have to agree. How much was the real thing again 🤔
You are totally right about the feeling of poor quality when you wear this watch. I am bummed I would like to have one but as soon as you pick one up the quality is a deal breaker for me. Spot on review.
Thank you for the video. Very well done. I own the 1209 42mm along with a 1312. At first I thought it was too small 7.75 inch wrist, but after some time the size has grown on me. All day comfort and still has some pop. My bezel doesn’t wiggle at all. Would definitely think that’s a warranty issue that should be fixed!
Man, Panerai makes such awesome looking and unique watches. I would love to own one someday. 42mm is also a very approachable size if you can pull of a Seiko turtle.
However, I have been hearing about small issues here and there about it and I appreciate you for pointing it out. You are also not being too harsh. That is unacceptable for the money you have to pay for it. Thanks for doing such a great job contrasting the good and bad.
I used to own one submersible titanium case 44mm but never had any of those issues with it. Was my favorite watch.
This was a perfect review. For me.
For us
@@YoureTerrific for me
Great video. I agree with you totally. I have a love/hate relationship with the brand. There are several problems with Panerai. First, their Q&A is terrible. When purchasing a new one you have to inspect it with a magnifier and have them open the case back. Second, Panerai has made false claims about their, so called, in house movements. Finally, they are extremely over priced for what they are. The watch you discussed should be at least half the price compared to other luxury watches (I.e., Omega seamaster and Tudor peragos). I’m also torn between loving and wanting one, on the one hand, and focusing on all their problems.
Another great video! I agree with you on every point. I really like this watch but not for $9K (for me).
Yep. For us.
Second-hand market will set real value.
LOOOOVE my PAM 683. The matte ceramic bezel pulled me in. no bezel wiggle thank jeebus for that. Great video!
Love it. I don't care that it has flaws. I bought the 42mm PAM 1223 and love it because its "for me!"
This watch looks stunning on your wrist, spot on lug to lug length and the strap does not have that annoying overhang.
I just watched a video so sick
It made my jaw drop and my brain tick
The visuals were fire, the beats were tight
I couldn't help but move my feet and ignite
The story was gripping, the message was clear
It left me inspired, without a fear
I'm telling you, this video was no joke
It was the best thing I've seen, no smoke
One of the best watch Channels on RUclips! The quality and delivery on a next level.
Thanks so much
I love the bianco dial with the green straps very much!
I've got a 683, bezel wiggles the same. But I do love it, its a charming watch
Great review as always, you're one of the best in the business. As for Panerai which I love and own, I've been thinking of selling mine because I just can't get over watches that aren't accompanied by great bracelets? Weird I know but I guess I'm just a bracelet guy. Also, at retail, Panerai are grossly overpriced from a value standpoint, however, on the secondary market, they're much better priced. Happy New Years 🎆
I love what you said: the movements are good but a little frail. The 3 day reserve is oscillating on keeping the day/second like a derailed tram.
It is cool for me too, and I share your frustration when seeing this lack of quality. I have seen cases where the bezel is not properly aligned too.
Thank you for calling out the QC issues, in my opinion many brands don’t take this serious enough!
I had a v serial 682 with the the exact same bezel wiggle. Panerai service center installed a bezel kit under warranty and that fixed the problem. It took about 6 weeks to get it back. For my inconvenience, they gave me a black Panerai alligator strap !!!
I really love the aesthetic of this watch and it’s even on my list to buy. The issues you pointed out are eye opening and unacceptable, given the high price point. These should be $5k max. I bought a new Omega SMP in 2020 for $4k and it had to go in for warranty TWICE within a year but the quality & value is still excellent. Panerai is only hurting themself with these QC issues, expensive prices, & horrendous marketing. Great video & Happy New Year.
I dont understand why you only have 35k subscribers. you deserve hundreds of thousands moreeee!!!
Thanks. But I’m happy and surprised that anyone watches these videos.
OOOOOOOOOF. QC-wise a shadow of the 00305 I handled around a decade ago. I adore Panerai's designs but I can only wrap my head around snapping up a base Radiomir and running away from them for reasons that have become a well beaten dead horse. Still beautiful and magical.
Hey Evan! Love your channel! I'm thinking about the brand new luminor quranta. Fits my wrist perfectly, but I don't know if it became too small for what panerai is supposed to be of if it became to feminine. Or if it's considered a real panerai?
I love it too, and agree totally about pricing. That loose bezel isn't acceptable, I would expect them to repair or replace that if I bought one like that.
Love this watch. I have a 42mm Luminor and I am really thinking of buying a Submersible 42. I heard from Panerai that the size 42 mm is going to be discontinued soon.
Pam683 here! Love it. One thing i noticed the rotating bezel is a bit loose feeling.
PAM 1223 - Purchased and love it. Its "for me"!
Another great video, Youre Terrific, thank you. So yeah, someone like me with my budget unfortunately value has to play a big part in purchase. Think even if I was rich, though, to be honest. Panerai kind of lost me when they took away sandwich dials on lower priced models. Your 111 is a definite keeper 🙂👍
I am a Paneristi. Sorry to hear about your problems with your 682. I have a blue dial Luminor Marina. It is 44mm and I love it. Anyway, I agree with you that Panerai should focus more on the $5000 price range.
Big money mate.
I see the issue you’re having.
If I dish out that sort of money I want to feel whole heartedly content, at one and completely blind sided by any OCD oddities…
For me….
Love you’re work mate.
Happy new year, for you.
For me 44mm is what I prefer otherwise I agree with your point of view. And like you the “value” is what has stopped me from adding a second Panerai to the collection. I have a 104 purchased new in 2004 and I recall it was about $4200. Couldn’t get a discount but the AD did let me pick out two additional straps. Right now I’m actually looking for another watch and have considered another Panerai but even on the pre-owned market the “value” is lacking IMO.
About pricing.. spot on!
Great watch for max $5k, or even better $4k price range (if you can get past quality issues).
For Rolex money? No way!!
Great review! Just subbed. Honest and refreshing. Still love and have my Pam312.
Great vid
The bezel has movement to allow for sand ,salt while diving and won't seize.
Well I learned a couple of things. That your wrist is actually 7.09 inches. Always a good reference point and even more important, that there actually is a chef’s kiss emoji. I love this watch. I was surprised when I tried it on that it did in fact fit me. But wow that brushing and the bezel wobble. That’s a bit of a shocker.
Tragic. If only it was ugly.
Just a fantastic review. Thanks!
Dude, that intro music had me cruising. Great video.
Been looking at this watch for month! I was really exited about the video.. Kinda still want the watch but that wiggle is horrible!
Is it a general problem or just the specific watch?
Can somebody tell me what was the heck with the Brooklyn bridge model and the P9200 model?? Explanations?????
“Anything smaller than an Italian wall clock is horological garbage.” Haha, brilliant.
Spot on in every way. Good stuff.
I’m wearing my 126610lv at the moment and I agree, this is a lot more watch than the pam. I purchased a submersible in the past but ended up selling it due to lack of wear. I’m a bracelet guy, and this watch needs a bracelet that can complete with the sub. As an aside, I really like the new submersible bianco. A cross between this and a polar explorer 2.
I love this watch. I also love that Italian watches are a lot like Italian cars: expensive, irrational, inexplicably crappy in some areas, and 100% totally awesome.
Haha. Good point. Though these have been made in Switzerland for many years.
Of course. But it will always have that MACHISMO.
Certo
buon appetito, buona fortuna e buon anno nuovo!!
Grazie!
Two questions: what is the background music you are using?!! Love it.
Next: did you notice any noise while wearing it. Like the rotor making excess noise when moving wrist? Mine does
Bravo to your honest opinion. Please keep up the good work!
For Panerai, I am disappointed and my money will go elsewhere....
Thanks
This review is spot on. I love my 42mm Submersible but there are many head scratchers for the money Panerai is pricing at. It is the polar opposite of a Sinn which is no-nonsense utilitarian approach but hey, we don’t purchase mechanical watches logically right? I wish Panerai would just give up trying to build the in-house movements (that’s not their forte), be open when they use outsourced ebauches, improve qc, and don’t take shortcuts on finishing (case and movement). This is $4-5k at most and even then, it’s a tough value prop against the likes of a Tudor Pelagos LHD.
Oh man, that watch is beautiful. Beautiful enough to overlook any QC issues? Maybe. I've overlooked many Seiko issues for this reason, so long as the issues were easily fixable in the comfort of my own home.
I know this is old, but thank you. Almost bit the bullet on this exact model today.
I loved this video and agreed with you on so many points, in fact all of them. Lol.
I don't think it's better than my Omega SMP, definitely not $4k better. However, I like this watch in 42mm so much that it's bound to find a way into the collection at some point. But not right now. For a bit more I'll wait on the list for a sub. I've also come to terms with the fact I'm going to have more than 1 diver in my collection. Too many good options to limit myself to 1 diver. haha.
I couldn't agree more. I have seen some high end knocks off have better quality, and Panerai wonder why no one wants them especially for this price and in the used market!? I love Panerai and this video said it all.
I asked my Italian friend (straight from Italy, he is) about Panerai. The first thing he remarked on was the lack of quality.
I spat my coffee out like a cartoon character when you said the price! Great vid as usual 👏🏼
Haha
Great video. Unfortunately, you’ve shown so much detail in this review that I’ve become compelled to purchase this watch. Which I very much look forward to. Best, future Paneristi
👍
I have to say, my 1980s Soviet Amphibia did not have that much play in the bezel. The movement worked just fine for 30 years and still does. Really not bad for a watch I paid DM 40 for.
in watches. I have two.
It’s still my favourite watch!!
Hello there. Have one myself. I went to my local dealer 4 years ago on the 21st of December. I thought I was not gonna like it. Man.... They ordered for me, as I asked if they had one, and they had one come from Madrid, once I saw it, dam, had to have it. Asked for 20% off. I would take immediately. They said yes. It's the best watch I have, and I have plenty. The finishing, is the best brushed watch I've seen so far. The difference you highlight between brushing near the lugs, is the way that brushing is done on the lugs, the handtool needs to over run the lug in order to be complete. You don't see it in other watches because the lugs are diferent, they are the continuation of the case. Panerai are not like that. Now, the bezel you are correct, I had stop myself from complaining under warranty, but wnt through the forums, and all watches are the same, so that would be a waste of time. Enjoy the watch. The bezel, is the best 60 secs bezel iv turned. Forget about the play it has radially. Coolest dive watch. Even the strap is incredible.
Does current models still have the bezel issue?
Alignment pitchforks go down and bezels that wiggle go up 😂 it looks fantastic on the wrist.
Hence my problem
Awesome video, thanks
I totally agree about the price. When I walked into a Panerai boutique for the first time, I have no clue about the prices of this brand, I thought it's close to Breitling or something, but I was shocked about the price for a watch not that impressive! It's a cool watch and all but not for $9000 or even half this price in my opinion.
I own the 42mm PAM01068 which comes with an interchangeable steel strap. I bought it under list and I think it’s one of the best watches that I’ve owned. I don’t care about the wiggle or the other minor details and it just feeds into the lets bash Panerai sentiment. Why would you wiggles the bezel anyway? 😀 The aesthetics and history of Panerai make it a compelling proposition and they now come with an 8 year guarantee. I just think some of these channels go overboard when they criticise these tiny and beautiful high precision instruments. Enjoy owning and wearing, and remember there is no such thing are a perfect watch. BTW.. I love your channel.
Lol at defending the indefensible because you have skin in the game. “Why would you wiggle the bezel”? Is that a comedy routine you are trying out? I hope that’s not a hill your willing to die on?
Love your style. 👍😉
this could be my first panerai, im just not sure how it would look with other straps
Fabulous video btw 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Completely agreed. I was at a boutique the other day ready to pull the trigger on a submersible, then the bezel wiggle happened and I couldn’t believe my own eyes. This should be illegal
Will they fix it under warranty?
Turn the bezel. And you'll experience the best turning bezel. 60 not 120. I have a seamaster, new one, white dial, no wiggle., no nothing, but I turn it and it just sucks. The sound is cheap.
@@MrDiogo282828 yup submersible bezels have this tactical feel to it that is difficult to explain. I don't have any issues with mine and the bezel wiggle is barely noticeable in my watch.
Beautiful watch! I'd get one 👈🏾👊🏾
At one time I had over a dozen Panerai watches. I have the same issues with my Bronzo, 1389 and 1305. I even had a carboteck diver. I have since moved them all along. I saw your vid on your 111
Excellent review! Of the 4 that I have left , my 911 and 779 are my favorite and will probably keep. You are spot on with your evaluation. Great job, Tony
I walked into an ad today and shockingly they actually had some Rolexs two Subs a Daytona two Yachmasters an Explorer II and Batman GMT on the jubilee aswell as a few others
Agreed completely. It's way too expensive. Sadly, I couldn't even pull it off. It's sad, really, because it does look great.
could you lmk what jacket you're wearing in this vid? :D
Check the video’s description
Love the video!
Quick question though. About the polishing on the bottom and top parts of the case. How do we know that it’s from Panerai themselves? Is this something that we’ve seen on multiple submersibles? How do we know that the watch wasn’t repolished by some person who didn’t do a good job before Time Titans put it for sale? Maybe the owner had it repolished by some guy before selling it to Time Titans? Just some thoughts.
Maybe. That’s why I linked to another example in the video’s description. It doesn’t prove anything, but is just more evidence.
Evan…after watching this review, I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the AP Offshore Diver. It is also a 42mm diver on a rubber strap, perfectly finished…but three times the price of this PAM.
At a certain point watches are worth the price only if you *think* they're worth the price. Honestly, that's the case at any level. I owned an Offshore. I thought it was beautiful, but it was so large and easy to bang on things that wearing it made me very nervous.
@@YoureTerrific thanks for the reply. I know what you mean about being worried I’m going to bang my Offshore on anything and everything. But it really does nail the luxury sports rubber strap package for those with a big wrist. I love the submersible as well. I just can’t imagine owning both.
Yeah man, that bezel wiggle is WHOLLY unacceptable. My sub-$1000 Halios doesn’t do that. Nor any Zelos watch I’ve ever held. Yeah…no. Like you, I love everything conceptually about the watch but those quality control issues have no business whatsoever on a watch listed at that price.
Agreed
Yep, the price tag is too high for that
Of course there are people out there that seek to hone in on one small issue to justify to themselves the junk they can afford because it doesn't do that one thing.
Alpina is just Great
That bezel movement does not occur with all examples of the 42mm Submersible. I tried one on at a boutique yesterday, and based on this review, I tried wiggling the bezel around. It had a tiny bit of play, which it needs to operate, but not nearly as pronounced as shown in the video. Maybe this example needed an adjustment/tightening of the bezel mechanism.
I remember browsing thru TTT watch folders when I was at the redbar. I'm the Asian guy with all OP including your dream 36mm yellow. lol
This watch with the white dial that was just released is on my list
That’s a beauty
@@YoureTerrific I don’t think it will stop me. I liked my other submersible but it was just to big. Only bought it because I got a good deal on it used but it never gave me the right feeling. Then they came out with the white and I’m sold. Total sucker for white dials.
@@YoureTerrific it didn’t stop me… just purchased it today.
what happened with the bezel?
3 days of power reserve? it is not by batteries?
Are you wearing the 114270 in this video ?
I want to love me a PAM, but the price, size, and issues (some of which highlighted in the video), it's a tough sell....I'd consider a duo, but water resistance is blech (especially with crown guards), but maybe in the future a radiomere, I do like the look and those those wire lugs....just need it for the right price.
Totally can relay to auch quirks. Panerai ist cool but agree they should have better performance in regards of the quality there. Never saw such a wiggle. Happy I went with my 914. Easy watch and with that not too much things to f*** up. Good vid as usual and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one. Did you check other models and find the same issue with the bezel?
The 914 is great.
Good review. Thanks
Is it a must your wedding ring is on most of the takes while reviewing a watch? I am glad you love your wife so much.
I actually own this particular watch, and since its a tool i dont mind the wiggle. The 42mm doesnt really feel any bigger than my submariner, which is wierd. Nonetheless I love it, and I matched it up with a metal bracelet that makes it look sooooo cool :)
That bezel looks solid and should be for the price. I have seen the wiggle in a a couple of of watches now in particular my black bay steel bezel and even Breitling has a little. Yours seemed to wobble far too much though. Beautiful piece though.