"What can we do for Italy for the "Air Superiority" update? Give Ariete its real protection? Leopard2A7HU? Altay? Centauro B1?" "Move the Ariete AMV to Rank VIII"
@@thybonheng1485 Okay, so where is the Centauro B1 then? Since Turkiye is coupled with Italy, Gaijin could have given them the Altay, or one of those crazy M60 upgrade kits(not really for top tier, but still). Italy only got the 10.3 AMX plane and i'm quite unhappy about it
@@kalashnidoge gaijin only care about the market of the game didn't just put a premium Hungary tiger in the Italy tree When it come to gaijin money come first that why they love US and Russian so much
Italy has sooo many vehicles left to be added now that Hungary is a sub nation of theirs. 40M Turàn (both variants), Strela, Gripen, Eurofighter, F35, Leo 2A7HUN, upgraded Ariete, Cent 2, Leopard 2A8. I think the Hungarians also used the Panther during WW2 but I have to research that one more
Yes we used it. The Romanians switched side so the Panthers what the Germans sendt them got stoped in Hungary and with German permission we used if i remember correctly 5(edited) Panther with great success ,but Germans wants the Panthers back so we give them back. Fun fact we want buy the licence for manufacturing Panthers but the Germans want a ridiculous price for the plans (1.000.000DRM /pc) Best allies tbh
What also helps the Ita winrate is the fact, that I rarely see them alone in a match. Normally when someone plays italian tanks, they are in a squadron with at least one other play that is playing a different nation
Ya I usually see them queue’d up with GER or SWE. Which is smart lol I do the same when I’m playing Israel since I tend to get matched with USA without a squadmate
Great video and commentary. Here's my thoughts on the subject: Italy is primarily played by more dedicated players who tend to play well and as you said, understand its shortcomings more as well as not being inundated with severe amounts of premium players, casuals and just generally low skill people who buy the Click-Bait or KVT, S238, etc etc, who bring down win rates by their lack of skill and lack of line ups. In a way, the high win rate is unfortunate because it signals to Gaijin not to address Italy's top tier issues which should be addressed. For the MBT line, while you suggested something like Spain, I wouldn't mind this (way more than Hungary tbh) but it is ignoring the fact Italy has a decent amount of yet to be added additions as well as a lot of incomplete vehicles to be buffed. As far as improving the already existing vehicles, fixing the Ariete's hull armor and the WAR kit would be decent changes to the tank; not revolutionary but enough that it would elevate the Ariete's poor armor to more "mid" armor which can add a lot of value especially with awkward MBT shots and autocannon fire. The WAR should be improved to stop mango which it was designed to do as well be applied to the AMV with PSO (one of the main objectives to the improved engine was the ability to add both armor packages at the same time); this along with some roof mounted MG42s would make the AMV a more worthwhile tank currently and not some barebones sidegrade. The Freccia should be given it's JANUS commander sight which, paired with it's SPIKES would elevate the vehicle further. Something like the OTOMATIC should be downtiered possibly to 10.3 as it's really not suitable to top tier. Now as far as additions go,; we could see the Ariete AMV PT2 which would be an AMV with better optics, gen 3 thermals and faster turret traverse, the B2 Centauro which should be added probably next patch as it was somewhat leaked and was probably supposed to be added last patch, the Ariete Hitfact Mk2 which is the B2 turret (autoloader) on an Ariete hull, down the line we could see the Leopard 2A8 as that's been ordered for the Italian military, the Dardo and Freccia OWS variants with unmanned turrets, 30mm cannons and spikes. For SPAA I could see a few possible options like a Polyphem missile carrier which is both anti-tank and anti-air (30 km range!), the DRACO prototype which is an updated OTOMATIC which is smaller, on a Centauro I hull and can shoot guided DART munitions as well as possibly an ADATS on a Centauro frame which is a moreso a paper vehicle but is not too outside the realm of possibility if Gaijin is limited. As for close air support, I think just waiting for the Eurofighters is the only real option as well as the fact that Gaijin needs to decompress BRs which is a whole other can of worms.
They talked about adding the Draco a long time ago then someone said it was fake and never happened. That the oictures are photoshopped so they scrapped the idea. It apparently had less ammo as well and no search radar (?)
The Ariete AMV is objectively the worst 11.7 MBT, but I still like it, I find it fun to play, I just play it like a light tank basically, using its 2A4-like mobility
@@BlackHawk21ification yeah but those tanks at least have something going for them (the Leclercs are a decent jack of all trades, master of none, while the Type 90 and Type 10s all have amazing reload and good mobility), there really isnt a reason to play the Ariete AMV if you have other top tier MBTs
@@Optimusprime56241 you're just wrong. Abrams is still objectively better than most of the other top tier MBTs. I'd rather play it than anything from israel, italy, france, UK, china or russia.
The biggest problem with the model for the ariete is its missing 300mm of composite armour, as it is right now it would weigh closer to 47t irl but in the game its 52t for no reason
Hello Justin, thank you very much for this video! As an italian main it always warm my heart to see a big creator using these vehicles. I think the main issue of the italian tanks tree is that it is very much unforgiving compared to some other nations, you got to play your vehicles as ambush/support tanks and prioritise good map positioning as most of time you'll get eaten in one shot by quite everything. So I also think that's why not a lot of players do play italy in top tier, but when seeing one they rarely do bad, the players that still play italy top tiers are for the biggest part, experienced players. As for the KF41 I truly think it is a waste of time grinding it for players, I personally prefer to stay with the dardo to go with the freccia. So yeah completely agree with the things you say!
Sir. Just discovered your channel recently. And, I am now a subscriber! As an Italian, and italian main in WT, thank you for feeling and talking of our pain. I look forward to the Centauro 2 lol. Thank you for your content. I'm exploring your back log. Grazie mille, signore.
Honestly Justin, I really enjoyed the variety gameplay from you on this video! I would love to see it for other nations and battle ratings if anything :D
@@JustinPlaysTV longer vids are good as im a truck driver and spend long hours on the road between destinations and i chuck your videos on and just listen to it over the trucks stereo since you tend to explain what your fighting and your plans to fight it and your strategies for the map your on and your descriptions of the vehicle your playing
I would highly recommend the an grb line up that consist of: ariete (p), freccia and the AMX. AMX is a very powerfull CAS plane and the ariete (p) is good for its br, + I gave you the freccia to play with.😉
I can't wait to get the rest of the 10.3 lineup, they get so much cool stuff at that BR. Great Heli, AMX is a great plane, Freccia is a great IFV with a good autocannon and missiles etc
i honestly really enjoy this kind of video, have you considered making a "The State of Top Tier [INSERT COUNTRY] " for other nations too? just giving your oppinion on the mbts / lights / helis / jets they get access to and showing a game or so in each?
thx for expose the italian situation i very appreciate by been italian ... and playing the game avoiding my nation cuz gaijin tends only to nerf it in ground and NAVAL aswell :)
Great video, would love for this to be the start of a "The State of Top Tier " series that goes over each countries performance overall at top tier, and how each vehicle in their top tier lineup performs against the competition.
3 things: 1 You're absolutely right that the spike change was a massive nerf. SPIKEs were not good per se before the change but theyre dramatically worse now. Before theyd go for the driver optic 100% of the time (even if side on) now they may miss the vehicle conpletely. 2. The mistral change isn't working right. Sometimes the missiles just dont even pull more than 2 Gs then other times they definitely pull 16 or more. Something is wrong 3. The otomatic's locking radar is a band that many things (such as russian helis) cant detect. So feel free to lock them
Id love to see the Italian top tier do better. I honestly think that they will receive the Leo 2A7. But hear me out! Since the Hungarian sub tree has been so rushed and honestly semi complete, it it likely theyll add the Leopard 2A7HU to top tier since Italy really would benefit. Not to mention that CAS-wise in the future it is possible theyll get a Hungarian Gripen and even further down the line the Eurofighter. Fingers crossed it does come true!
For Italy at top tier we could also get the Spanish Leopard 2A6E and Romania Abrams (if they purchase it) as we already have Spanish and Romania vehicles in the tech tree.
I noticed recently, the Arietes have blowout panels when that isnt possible (from what i know). It destroyed my main ammo except for the 4 random rounds and im perfectly fine. It kind of glitches out the ariete but hey youre alive!
to fix the Italian tech tree only one thing would be enough, stop the gaijin's unjustified hatred towards this tech tree...a few new vehicles or small modifications to existing vehicles would be enough to fix it...the Ariets mount the composite armor of a 2A4 but it has less armor than the 2A4 on war thunder...or for example the VBM Arrow which has been deprived of the commander's optics (JANUS) which would be enough to use the spikes more easily
My biggest complaint t is the otomatic. 11.3 is INSANE where the 2s38 even though it has worse velocity is a 10.0 is a joke when it also can carry as much of whatever ammo it wants where oto is stuck with twelve darts. It's blatant not giving a F by gaijin.
In my opinion the only things to grind for in the Italian tree are the unique IFVs they have in the 9.0 area. Past that it seems like a waste of time tbh
The only thing is is that if you pay for the premium high tier I mean tank wise it’s still good I have a line up of two main attacking tanks and one AA but my helicopters are my start at the beginning of the game using dumb rockets firing off long range and returning back to base back to back over and over until I’ve helped enough or killed enough then I’ll probably just full send as I use my turret after firing off my salvo
I disagree with saying that Italian air is bad at CAS. The AV-8B+ gets 10 gbus which is insane but you can also run 2 mavs and 6 gbus for some spaa fighting.
Hey Justin, you try to get your hands on the Av8b+ and use the 10×500lb paveways or the 6×500lb and 2 mavericks. Because its one of the best ground striker in the game and a nightmare in a downteir
By the way Justinplays, ever considered to do a early 2024 Top Tiers list country's Ground/air (i know air is not your forte)? I mean, i consider your opinion on this matters, because ur veary honest and brutal speaking the truth and i love it, but would be great to see you doing one.
Yeah the nerf to the Spikes really hurt. When aiming for a Pantsir or Ito/FlakBus it tends to either hit about a meter away or only hit the drivers cabin which leaves everyone else to survive.
HOLY, this has to be your bigget video by far, I'll admit I went to the gameplay part though! Personally, I think Italy is a fine nation for 1 good reason, no top tier squadron vehicle and no top tier premium like the US, Russia, Germany and even Britain and should Gaijin decide to not add anything for Italy in the foreseeable future that's not necessarily a bad thing.
sorry for saying that, but I love the long intro and I watch the videos mostly because of it hehe. I don't like watching long gameplays anymore, the only gameplays I like to watch are the ones with a lot of edit like Dollar, Malzi, Voyager and Thiccyoroi. So keep it up with the long intro bro, Im sure a lot of people love it just like me!
The AMV is a 10.0/10.3 mbt with dm 53 but without all the armor package/roof mounted machineguns that should have and the proof that gaijin hate italy and it's doing all in his power to keep it the least played nation.
I think the win rate is just a combination of low player count and thus being paired with other good nations that can't fill a team by themselves, in other words, playing against USA
i been using otomatic, dardo, freccia and vcc-80/30 with t129 and boy, i love it, i had british top tier too but italy has something more i would say xD
I have Britain and Italy top tier, as well as working towards France, China and Israel. As the entire lineup I would prefer Italy over Britain because I like the playstyle more, but I like certain British vehicles over Italian ones as well.
@@arrcadedus2293 2C38 "Derivacia PVO" and OTOMATIC have +/- same gameplay. But 2c38 can take lot of apdsf when oto took only 12 apdsf. OTO br is 11.3, 2c38 is 10.0. OTO have more move speed, but it scale is bigger than 2C28. Gaijin think OTO effective as "Pancir-S" (at close ranges yes (heli, CASing planes), but at distance more than 3 km plane is very hard target), but his br will be maximum 10.7 if look to 2C38 (or up 2c38 br, or down OTO br) "Derivacia-PVO" is one of most selling premium tank in soviet tree. One time I saw a full team with 2c38 in they first respawn. And a lot of players want to put it higher BR (it stay at 10.0 more than 2 years, when OTO nerfs)
Surprising that the ariete AMV holds the highest KPG and the second highest KD out of top tier, albeit the datas were definitely inflated(as proven by the Russian guy). I mean, I often has 5ks to 6ks per game on the AMV and a handful of 8k+ matches in the centauro 120, pretty rare, but there are times that I found myself in a carrying position. It feels way too ungenuine to bully people at 10.3, as it then plays like playing Sweden or Russia at top tier and winning without skills.
The problem with KF41 missiles is that the launcher is angled upwards. It just doesn't work on most maps. Freccia doesn't have this problem. This M1 KVT kill is the example. Wouldn't work on KF41.
Hello my friend, Italy will have the Leopard 2A8 in the future given that in reality it will purchase a hundred of them, AMV C1 and has already been updated with PSO and Trophy armour.
The Italian Top Tiers are made intentionally bad by the devs, they refuse to give Ariete its composite armor despite the overwhelmingly amount of evidence it has it, in fact the manufacturer even stated it has better armor than most Leopard 2 variants because Ariete has composite armor on the front AND SIDES with composite screen on top of that. By all accounts Ariete is supposed to be the most heavily armored Western Tank which is why the devs refuse to give it at least SOME composite armor
Italy has been getting a much needed refresh of its tech trees, sadly the top tier ground tech tree was given IFVs with gimmick missiles the Dardo is still better at a lower BR while all the Arietes were nerfed just for the fun of it. The win rate for Italy is simply because every Italian main knows they are punching up and there is no luxury like armour to allow us to hold W into the enemy spawn, while you're all playing a combat game the Italian has been grinding 8 ranks of survival horror.
gaijin should give helis the ability to lay down smoke cover like the AH1G did in vietnam. would prove helpful for blinding enemies and given allies the cover needed to push up onto cap points
On one hand, this could be pretty interesting on larger maps... On the other hand, my teamates cant even be trusted with ESS, there is no way they wouldnt fuck up smoke rockets
I wonder if the otomagic can run full apfsds? I don't mind it being 11.7 if it gets a higher number of APFSDS. Heck I don't mind it being redesignated as a TD.
Technically it cant apparently. The dart is stored sepererately from the rest of the ammo. I heard someone say its too long to fit in the regular autoloader. HOWEVER, we have the 2s38 which can run full dart and we dont know if that is true. They might as well give the Oto full dart by now. Its needs it to be 11.3
Centauro 120 is the goat. Ariete PSO is my go-to ariete because at least you can survive SOME autocannons or heat ammunition, which is better than nothing and the Harrier is way better than tornado. It might not be supersonic but you get AGMs to destroy SPAAs more safely (when they decide to work of course), you get access to Zunis, which are great for low altitude CAS even at top tier, Aim-9Ms and good speed, climb rate, acceleration and maneuverability. It's not an F-16C or a Gripen but hey. It gets the job done. The spike helicopter is overrated. I have an average of around 12 spike launches/kill, meaning i have to rearm at least once just to get a kill. They're great against other helicopters but other than that you're better off using Hellfires. Other than that, freccia is inconsistent with the Spikes but the cannon is great, for which I in fact use the dardo woth Tow2Bs instead of the freccia. Way more reliably damages opponents, even the tankiest swedish strvs. Basically you have decent CAS capabilities, good flanking/sniping vehicles but you have no exceptional vehicle. The best thing in the lineup is the Centauro 120, which is the best AFV in the game hands down, but generally speaking it's still nothing exceptional considering what your opponents have.
the thing happening to top tier Italy is the same thing that lead to french 7.3/7.7 to be unplayable. tanks like the Lorraine 40t, AMX 50 were good. Maybe too good. So Gaijin increased progressively their BR. First at 6.7, they ended up at 7.7. Instead of fighting very early cold war tanks, they ended up fighting stabilized platforms with APFS-DS rounds. Some of them being immune to their 100mm shell frontally (mostly russian MBTs like the T-55 AM-1). People that were not super good at the game got CLAPPED and just stopped playing it. People that were able to play the game well continued to get good results. That drove the winrates up. Gaijin thought about increasing the BR, but at this point they couldn't put those tanks at 8.0 without it being obvious. So they increased the repair cost. They increased the repair cost again. and again. and again. and again. What started as a 6.7 tank with a repair cost of around 6k stock ended up being a 7.7 tank with a stock repair cost of around 18k and a spaded repair cost just shy of 25k. What did that do? That made the people that were okay at the game stop playing it. Only people that were still able to play that tank were either people with a shit load of money in game and / or exrtremely good players that were able to either not die, or get enough kills in a game to still be able to pay off the repair cost without loosing money. That of course, increased the K/D ratio of that tank to completely absurd levels, and the winrate of France at 7.7 at that time was higher than any other nation in this BR range. Only because the only people playing those tanks were the absolute best players in the game that didn't have their stats brought down by inexperienced / worse players like pretty much everfy other tank in teh game. I'm sure if you check the winrates of every minor nation at top tier in WT right now, those that have a hard as fuck lineup to play, I'm pretty sure those get a damn good winrate just because the population of players of those nations is overall just abtter players
17:25 you dont even need good headphones if you set your audio correctly, i use 25€ bluetooth headphones and they work perfectly fine, not the best surround quality, but honestly, if you have at least some map knowledge you dont need the best surround sound and quality, so dont worry about buying expensive headphones if you dont have the money
The state is depressing as our military IRL. Ye, we have some good stuff, as hardware and people in the various Regiments, Brigades and such of the Army, Navy and Air Force, but there is very little as to hope for the WT counterpart; as for true top tier vehicles there are just the final model of the AMV (renamed "C2" but honestly is truly a "C1.5"...), the B2 Centauro and what Hungary can snatch up in the future. We have firmed an agreement to produce/get the Leopard 2A8 but we are still too far from a true Leopard 2A8ITA (or IT). We'll see, for sure nothing of game breaking will happen for us, not as a minor nation😶
Italy is one of the most OP nations in WT just like France. Look at their win rate. Leclerc and Ariete need a nerf, they are ruining the fun for USSR and US mains in top tier.-------- Gaijin, January, 2024.
Leopards need a nerf or a rework or just take off spall liners from the game, I mean they don’t even work on any tank that isn’t the leopards, it’s ridiculous that 1 on 1 the leopards can kill any tank in the game with one shot while the same cannot be said for its counterparts and in situation when it’s hull down it’s unkillable unless you overpreassure the roof with HE which many nations don’t have
"What can we do for Italy for the "Air Superiority" update? Give Ariete its real protection? Leopard2A7HU? Altay? Centauro B1?"
"Move the Ariete AMV to Rank VIII"
And increase their weight without armor
Leopard 2A7hu only arrive in Hungary 3 week ago dude
@@thybonheng1485 Okay, so where is the Centauro B1 then? Since Turkiye is coupled with Italy, Gaijin could have given them the Altay, or one of those crazy M60 upgrade kits(not really for top tier, but still). Italy only got the 10.3 AMX plane and i'm quite unhappy about it
@@kalashnidoge gaijin only care about the market of the game didn't just put a premium Hungary tiger in the Italy tree
When it come to gaijin money come first that why they love US and Russian so much
@@thybonheng1485 yeah, they also go back on their promises a lot
Now all Gaijin needs to do is add the Palmaria 155mm SPH to the Italian tech tree, and things will be better. Not perfect, but getting better.
Fingers crossed that it might come this year.
As I know Argentine bought some OTO Palmaria - i fear what gayjin put it to germany 💀
@@ДималонОсобай No, we want our Panzerhaubitze 2000. But you never know what the snail is up to😅
Italy has sooo many vehicles left to be added now that Hungary is a sub nation of theirs. 40M Turàn (both variants), Strela, Gripen, Eurofighter, F35, Leo 2A7HUN, upgraded Ariete, Cent 2, Leopard 2A8. I think the Hungarians also used the Panther during WW2 but I have to research that one more
Speculative af
How so? @@BARelement
Yes we used it.
The Romanians switched side so the Panthers what the Germans sendt them got stoped in Hungary and with German permission we used if i remember correctly 5(edited) Panther with great success ,but Germans wants the Panthers back so we give them back.
Fun fact we want buy the licence for manufacturing Panthers but the Germans want a ridiculous price for the plans (1.000.000DRM /pc) Best allies tbh
Cool! Thank you for the reply. Didn't the Hungarians use a couple of Panzer 4 too? Both short gun and long gun iirc
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@@Runner357_TV which panther license did you wanted the ww2 one or the new one
Add the Leopard 2A7HU to the hungarian subtree for italy and it will be the ultimate gamechanger and redemption for Italian top tier performance
Italy is placing Leopard 2A8 on order this year so maybe they'll get even more if it goes through in time
Yesssss!!!!!!!
no more leopards i beg(shit us main)
The hungarian leopard, maybe romanian future abrams and the current romanian TR 85M1??? Idk i dont play the game anymore😂😂😂
that would be so lame and lose the charm of an unique tech tree
Much love from one of the few 🇮🇹 mains! May the Otomagic guide you.
Agreed! Great to find another Italy main in the wild!
me too
What also helps the Ita winrate is the fact, that I rarely see them alone in a match. Normally when someone plays italian tanks, they are in a squadron with at least one other play that is playing a different nation
Ya I usually see them queue’d up with GER or SWE. Which is smart lol I do the same when I’m playing Israel since I tend to get matched with USA without a squadmate
Great video and commentary. Here's my thoughts on the subject: Italy is primarily played by more dedicated players who tend to play well and as you said, understand its shortcomings more as well as not being inundated with severe amounts of premium players, casuals and just generally low skill people who buy the Click-Bait or KVT, S238, etc etc, who bring down win rates by their lack of skill and lack of line ups. In a way, the high win rate is unfortunate because it signals to Gaijin not to address Italy's top tier issues which should be addressed. For the MBT line, while you suggested something like Spain, I wouldn't mind this (way more than Hungary tbh) but it is ignoring the fact Italy has a decent amount of yet to be added additions as well as a lot of incomplete vehicles to be buffed. As far as improving the already existing vehicles, fixing the Ariete's hull armor and the WAR kit would be decent changes to the tank; not revolutionary but enough that it would elevate the Ariete's poor armor to more "mid" armor which can add a lot of value especially with awkward MBT shots and autocannon fire. The WAR should be improved to stop mango which it was designed to do as well be applied to the AMV with PSO (one of the main objectives to the improved engine was the ability to add both armor packages at the same time); this along with some roof mounted MG42s would make the AMV a more worthwhile tank currently and not some barebones sidegrade. The Freccia should be given it's JANUS commander sight which, paired with it's SPIKES would elevate the vehicle further. Something like the OTOMATIC should be downtiered possibly to 10.3 as it's really not suitable to top tier.
Now as far as additions go,; we could see the Ariete AMV PT2 which would be an AMV with better optics, gen 3 thermals and faster turret traverse, the B2 Centauro which should be added probably next patch as it was somewhat leaked and was probably supposed to be added last patch, the Ariete Hitfact Mk2 which is the B2 turret (autoloader) on an Ariete hull, down the line we could see the Leopard 2A8 as that's been ordered for the Italian military, the Dardo and Freccia OWS variants with unmanned turrets, 30mm cannons and spikes. For SPAA I could see a few possible options like a Polyphem missile carrier which is both anti-tank and anti-air (30 km range!), the DRACO prototype which is an updated OTOMATIC which is smaller, on a Centauro I hull and can shoot guided DART munitions as well as possibly an ADATS on a Centauro frame which is a moreso a paper vehicle but is not too outside the realm of possibility if Gaijin is limited. As for close air support, I think just waiting for the Eurofighters is the only real option as well as the fact that Gaijin needs to decompress BRs which is a whole other can of worms.
Well said
As for down tiering, the sidam 25 should not be 8.3. Low ammo, no radar, but .3 higher than the zsu23.
They talked about adding the Draco a long time ago then someone said it was fake and never happened. That the oictures are photoshopped so they scrapped the idea. It apparently had less ammo as well and no search radar (?)
The Ariete AMV is objectively the worst 11.7 MBT, but I still like it, I find it fun to play, I just play it like a light tank basically, using its 2A4-like mobility
same buth with the leclerc and type 10 - tkx, i either sit back and snipe with the good thermals & reload or if the map allows it flank.
@@BlackHawk21ification yeah but those tanks at least have something going for them (the Leclercs are a decent jack of all trades, master of none, while the Type 90 and Type 10s all have amazing reload and good mobility), there really isnt a reason to play the Ariete AMV if you have other top tier MBTs
@@BlackHawk21ification the 4 second reload and suspension adjustment put the type 10/TKX leagues above ariete and leclerc
Still would rather play it over the sep v2 lol
@@Optimusprime56241 you're just wrong. Abrams is still objectively better than most of the other top tier MBTs. I'd rather play it than anything from israel, italy, france, UK, china or russia.
The Italian ministery of defense has just bought 125 Leopard 2A8 so when it is introduced in War Thunder it should also come in the Italian tech tree.
The biggest problem with the model for the ariete is its missing 300mm of composite armour, as it is right now it would weigh closer to 47t irl but in the game its 52t for no reason
Hello Justin, thank you very much for this video! As an italian main it always warm my heart to see a big creator using these vehicles. I think the main issue of the italian tanks tree is that it is very much unforgiving compared to some other nations, you got to play your vehicles as ambush/support tanks and prioritise good map positioning as most of time you'll get eaten in one shot by quite everything. So I also think that's why not a lot of players do play italy in top tier, but when seeing one they rarely do bad, the players that still play italy top tiers are for the biggest part, experienced players. As for the KF41 I truly think it is a waste of time grinding it for players, I personally prefer to stay with the dardo to go with the freccia. So yeah completely agree with the things you say!
Sir.
Just discovered your channel recently. And, I am now a subscriber! As an Italian, and italian main in WT, thank you for feeling and talking of our pain. I look forward to the Centauro 2 lol.
Thank you for your content. I'm exploring your back log.
Grazie mille, signore.
Honestly Justin, I really enjoyed the variety gameplay from you on this video! I would love to see it for other nations and battle ratings if anything :D
The length woul dneed to be adjusted for sure as this one was WAAY too long, but I will definiteyl consider it :D
@@JustinPlaysTV longer vids are good as im a truck driver and spend long hours on the road between destinations and i chuck your videos on and just listen to it over the trucks stereo since you tend to explain what your fighting and your plans to fight it and your strategies for the map your on and your descriptions of the vehicle your playing
I would highly recommend the an grb line up that consist of: ariete (p), freccia and the AMX. AMX is a very powerfull CAS plane and the ariete (p) is good for its br, + I gave you the freccia to play with.😉
I can't wait to get the rest of the 10.3 lineup, they get so much cool stuff at that BR. Great Heli, AMX is a great plane, Freccia is a great IFV with a good autocannon and missiles etc
Recently got a nuke in the AMV. It’s just such an enjoyable vehicle and the extra HP makes a huge difference
i honestly really enjoy this kind of video, have you considered making a "The State of Top Tier [INSERT COUNTRY] " for other nations too? just giving your oppinion on the mbts / lights / helis / jets they get access to and showing a game or so in each?
Man the italian crew voices go hard.
Idk why this dude hasn’t got more than 100k subs. He is so underrated and deserves more than he’s getting.
thx for expose the italian situation i very appreciate by been italian ... and playing the game avoiding my nation cuz gaijin tends only to nerf it in ground and NAVAL aswell :)
Great video, would love for this to be the start of a "The State of Top Tier " series that goes over each countries performance overall at top tier, and how each vehicle in their top tier lineup performs against the competition.
3 things: 1 You're absolutely right that the spike change was a massive nerf. SPIKEs were not good per se before the change but theyre dramatically worse now. Before theyd go for the driver optic 100% of the time (even if side on) now they may miss the vehicle conpletely.
2. The mistral change isn't working right. Sometimes the missiles just dont even pull more than 2 Gs then other times they definitely pull 16 or more. Something is wrong
3. The otomatic's locking radar is a band that many things (such as russian helis) cant detect. So feel free to lock them
Id love to see the Italian top tier do better. I honestly think that they will receive the Leo 2A7. But hear me out! Since the Hungarian sub tree has been so rushed and honestly semi complete, it it likely theyll add the Leopard 2A7HU to top tier since Italy really would benefit. Not to mention that CAS-wise in the future it is possible theyll get a Hungarian Gripen and even further down the line the Eurofighter. Fingers crossed it does come true!
Spanish F/A 18 too
prefer a new b2 centauro other than a Hungarian leo，gaijin need to stop plugging those leo everywhere
For Italy at top tier we could also get the Spanish Leopard 2A6E and Romania Abrams (if they purchase it) as we already have Spanish and Romania vehicles in the tech tree.
I noticed recently, the Arietes have blowout panels when that isnt possible (from what i know). It destroyed my main ammo except for the 4 random rounds and im perfectly fine. It kind of glitches out the ariete but hey youre alive!
they took away the blowout,now we die
to fix the Italian tech tree only one thing would be enough, stop the gaijin's unjustified hatred towards this tech tree...a few new vehicles or small modifications to existing vehicles would be enough to fix it...the Ariets mount the composite armor of a 2A4 but it has less armor than the 2A4 on war thunder...or for example the VBM Arrow which has been deprived of the commander's optics (JANUS) which would be enough to use the spikes more easily
My biggest complaint t is the otomatic. 11.3 is INSANE where the 2s38 even though it has worse velocity is a 10.0 is a joke when it also can carry as much of whatever ammo it wants where oto is stuck with twelve darts. It's blatant not giving a F by gaijin.
In my opinion the only things to grind for in the Italian tree are the unique IFVs they have in the 9.0 area. Past that it seems like a waste of time tbh
Pro tip: use the optical tracker on the otomatic, it's way more accurate and does not give RWR warning
The only thing is is that if you pay for the premium high tier I mean tank wise it’s still good I have a line up of two main attacking tanks and one AA but my helicopters are my start at the beginning of the game using dumb rockets firing off long range and returning back to base back to back over and over until I’ve helped enough or killed enough then I’ll probably just full send as I use my turret after firing off my salvo
I disagree with saying that Italian air is bad at CAS. The AV-8B+ gets 10 gbus which is insane but you can also run 2 mavs and 6 gbus for some spaa fighting.
To add on, the RUclipsr Hunter has a great video on using Italy at top tier including the harrier
2000 Hours in one year is crazy over 5h a day in just one game
The snail got your life man
KF41 got kinda buffed man. Got a spare set of Spikes, the gun and APS feel better, too.
Hahaha I was literally reading your community post of this video being made when the release notif popped up! Talk about timing eh?
Hey Justin, you try to get your hands on the Av8b+ and use the 10×500lb paveways or the 6×500lb and 2 mavericks. Because its one of the best ground striker in the game and a nightmare in a downteir
He has no idea how menacing the av8b+ is 😂 Justin usually is in point but he’s wilding for not noticing how good top tier CAS is for Italy.
Oh the av-8b+ I was so right getting it before the f-16 and people getting scared about our f-18 RWR 😂😂😂😂
By the way Justinplays, ever considered to do a early 2024 Top Tiers list country's Ground/air (i know air is not your forte)? I mean, i consider your opinion on this matters, because ur veary honest and brutal speaking the truth and i love it, but would be great to see you doing one.
You need to turn on IRST manually on otomatic to get faster lock without radar.
Yeah the nerf to the Spikes really hurt. When aiming for a Pantsir or Ito/FlakBus it tends to either hit about a meter away or only hit the drivers cabin which leaves everyone else to survive.
HOLY, this has to be your bigget video by far, I'll admit I went to the gameplay part though! Personally, I think Italy is a fine nation for 1 good reason, no top tier squadron vehicle and no top tier premium like the US, Russia, Germany and even Britain and should Gaijin decide to not add anything for Italy in the foreseeable future that's not necessarily a bad thing.
All good, the intro simply outlines what I think of the Italian top tier in its current state xP
Games were fun, surprisingly!
@@JustinPlaysTVwhat’s the user skin u have for the ariete, I want it
@@JustinPlaysTVactually all of them look really good
@@bokoblinlogic1619 E Sports skin found in the marketplace I believe
@@JustinPlaysTVk thanks
you gotta use irst when using the otomatic. not just by turning off the radar, either use a keybind or the multi function menu to swap modes
sorry for saying that, but I love the long intro and I watch the videos mostly because of it hehe. I don't like watching long gameplays anymore, the only gameplays I like to watch are the ones with a lot of edit like Dollar, Malzi, Voyager and Thiccyoroi. So keep it up with the long intro bro, Im sure a lot of people love it just like me!
The AMV is a 10.0/10.3 mbt with dm 53 but without all the armor package/roof mounted machineguns that should have and the proof that gaijin hate italy and it's doing all in his power to keep it the least played nation.
Talking about the Kf41, A 14.5mm from a T80 can go through the turret ring frontally.
26:17 we ain't gonna talk about a heli computer doing actual bombing runs in 11.3???
You should do more videos like this with other top tier nations where you use a variety of vehicles
otomatic needs to go down in BR
I think the win rate is just a combination of low player count and thus being paired with other good nations that can't fill a team by themselves, in other words, playing against USA
Generally Italian players are better as they’ve had to suffer for so long with bad vehicles
@@cameron1999cam indeed
i been using otomatic, dardo, freccia and vcc-80/30 with t129 and boy, i love it, i had british top tier too but italy has something more i would say xD
I have Britain and Italy top tier, as well as working towards France, China and Israel. As the entire lineup I would prefer Italy over Britain because I like the playstyle more, but I like certain British vehicles over Italian ones as well.
Red breach can somtimes fire the shell that's loaded but then is completely black after, Orange breach may fire or not multiple times
I agree on the tornado, but the Otomatic is great, I love it. Ok 11.3 is a bit high.
To this day i still don't know how the Otomatic is at 11.3 and some how the Tunguska is at 10.7
OTOMATIC is at 11.3, 2C38 is at 10.0
No, russian bias and wallet warriors... 💀
@@ДималонОсобай not sure why your comparing those two and not sure what your point
@@arrcadedus2293 2C38 "Derivacia PVO" and OTOMATIC have +/- same gameplay. But 2c38 can take lot of apdsf when oto took only 12 apdsf. OTO br is 11.3, 2c38 is 10.0. OTO have more move speed, but it scale is bigger than 2C28. Gaijin think OTO effective as "Pancir-S" (at close ranges yes (heli, CASing planes), but at distance more than 3 km plane is very hard target), but his br will be maximum 10.7 if look to 2C38 (or up 2c38 br, or down OTO br)
"Derivacia-PVO" is one of most selling premium tank in soviet tree. One time I saw a full team with 2c38 in they first respawn. And a lot of players want to put it higher BR (it stay at 10.0 more than 2 years, when OTO nerfs)
@@ДималонОсобай you do realise i am comparing the oto ( italian AA ) to the Russian AA not the premium light tank right ?
@@ДималонОсобай What are you smoking, i am comparing the AA tanks not a AA and a LT, the Oto VS the Tunguska (2S6) not the Stupid 2S38
5:17 I think that's a bug for all 30 mm / 25 mm cannons at the moment. As Bradley, PUMA, Vilkas, VBCI MCT etc suffer from it.
Surprising that the ariete AMV holds the highest KPG and the second highest KD out of top tier, albeit the datas were definitely inflated(as proven by the Russian guy). I mean, I often has 5ks to 6ks per game on the AMV and a handful of 8k+ matches in the centauro 120, pretty rare, but there are times that I found myself in a carrying position. It feels way too ungenuine to bully people at 10.3, as it then plays like playing Sweden or Russia at top tier and winning without skills.
The problem with KF41 missiles is that the launcher is angled upwards. It just doesn't work on most maps. Freccia doesn't have this problem. This M1 KVT kill is the example. Wouldn't work on KF41.
Hello my friend, Italy will have the Leopard 2A8 in the future given that in reality it will purchase a hundred of them, AMV C1 and has already been updated with PSO and Trophy armour.
I see photo with C1 AMV prototype with Chentauro 2 turret - it looks weird and funny) Wait it as premium :3
Headphones are absolute must it seems.. I feel like it's the one thing that hurts me the most. locating by sound alone is tough on the TV
Until this update Britain was probably worse off than Italy, but the CR3 and Gripen CAS have revived the old girl back a bit
Barely, British TT still needs light support vehicles for fast movement and flanking
i trust red breach. and i normally push orange breaches, i do die quite often but alot of the times... most of the time it works.
Same, I've died countless times after shooting the breech orange just to die thinking they can't fire.
As much as I love gameplay, I just love Justin's talking heads
The Italian Top Tiers are made intentionally bad by the devs, they refuse to give Ariete its composite armor despite the overwhelmingly amount of evidence it has it, in fact the manufacturer even stated it has better armor than most Leopard 2 variants because Ariete has composite armor on the front AND SIDES with composite screen on top of that. By all accounts Ariete is supposed to be the most heavily armored Western Tank which is why the devs refuse to give it at least SOME composite armor
Italy needs Centauro 2. Maybe armour will still be weak, but at least it would have high firerate and great mobility.
Italy has been getting a much needed refresh of its tech trees, sadly the top tier ground tech tree was given IFVs with gimmick missiles the Dardo is still better at a lower BR while all the Arietes were nerfed just for the fun of it. The win rate for Italy is simply because every Italian main knows they are punching up and there is no luxury like armour to allow us to hold W into the enemy spawn, while you're all playing a combat game the Italian has been grinding 8 ranks of survival horror.
Yeah, most of italian mains know how to play with their tech (have skill)
gaijin should give helis the ability to lay down smoke cover like the AH1G did in vietnam. would prove helpful for blinding enemies and given allies the cover needed to push up onto cap points
On one hand, this could be pretty interesting on larger maps...
On the other hand, my teamates cant even be trusted with ESS, there is no way they wouldnt fuck up smoke rockets
Do you make use of any special setting in your headsets software like for example Spartial surround sound?
GAIJING WILLING, italy's future could only improve with the list of veichles already mentioned in this comment section.
I honestly enjoy italian top tier. Just wish Italy had a better spaa that can reach out and touch things like the flakrads or ito.
KF41 optical lock LOS location is located at the floor, gaijin.............. you need direct LOS from tank floor to aircraf to get lock...............
I wonder if the otomagic can run full apfsds? I don't mind it being 11.7 if it gets a higher number of APFSDS. Heck I don't mind it being redesignated as a TD.
Technically it cant apparently. The dart is stored sepererately from the rest of the ammo. I heard someone say its too long to fit in the regular autoloader. HOWEVER, we have the 2s38 which can run full dart and we dont know if that is true. They might as well give the Oto full dart by now. Its needs it to be 11.3
Centauro 120 is the goat. Ariete PSO is my go-to ariete because at least you can survive SOME autocannons or heat ammunition, which is better than nothing and the Harrier is way better than tornado. It might not be supersonic but you get AGMs to destroy SPAAs more safely (when they decide to work of course), you get access to Zunis, which are great for low altitude CAS even at top tier, Aim-9Ms and good speed, climb rate, acceleration and maneuverability. It's not an F-16C or a Gripen but hey. It gets the job done.
The spike helicopter is overrated. I have an average of around 12 spike launches/kill, meaning i have to rearm at least once just to get a kill. They're great against other helicopters but other than that you're better off using Hellfires.
Other than that, freccia is inconsistent with the Spikes but the cannon is great, for which I in fact use the dardo woth Tow2Bs instead of the freccia. Way more reliably damages opponents, even the tankiest swedish strvs. Basically you have decent CAS capabilities, good flanking/sniping vehicles but you have no exceptional vehicle. The best thing in the lineup is the Centauro 120, which is the best AFV in the game hands down, but generally speaking it's still nothing exceptional considering what your opponents have.
Imagine @JustinPlays IF Gaijin place Centauro DRAGO. Hybrid between OTOMATIC and Centauro I.
11:00 and 13:15 you killed my friend!
I didnt realize we had the same headset
Just a curious question. On what graphics are you playing ?(as in: on high, medium, ...)
the thing happening to top tier Italy is the same thing that lead to french 7.3/7.7 to be unplayable.
tanks like the Lorraine 40t, AMX 50 were good. Maybe too good. So Gaijin increased progressively their BR. First at 6.7, they ended up at 7.7. Instead of fighting very early cold war tanks, they ended up fighting stabilized platforms with APFS-DS rounds. Some of them being immune to their 100mm shell frontally (mostly russian MBTs like the T-55 AM-1).
People that were not super good at the game got CLAPPED and just stopped playing it. People that were able to play the game well continued to get good results. That drove the winrates up. Gaijin thought about increasing the BR, but at this point they couldn't put those tanks at 8.0 without it being obvious. So they increased the repair cost. They increased the repair cost again. and again. and again. and again.
What started as a 6.7 tank with a repair cost of around 6k stock ended up being a 7.7 tank with a stock repair cost of around 18k and a spaded repair cost just shy of 25k. What did that do? That made the people that were okay at the game stop playing it. Only people that were still able to play that tank were either people with a shit load of money in game and / or exrtremely good players that were able to either not die, or get enough kills in a game to still be able to pay off the repair cost without loosing money.
That of course, increased the K/D ratio of that tank to completely absurd levels, and the winrate of France at 7.7 at that time was higher than any other nation in this BR range. Only because the only people playing those tanks were the absolute best players in the game that didn't have their stats brought down by inexperienced / worse players like pretty much everfy other tank in teh game.
I'm sure if you check the winrates of every minor nation at top tier in WT right now, those that have a hard as fuck lineup to play, I'm pretty sure those get a damn good winrate just because the population of players of those nations is overall just abtter players
The level of disrespect towards the OTOMATIC and AV-8B+ is unwarranted Justin. I’d take HEVT over stingers any day of the week
i know that italy made an order for 125 Leopard 2A8 , so i am waiting for that to arrive to the game
The nerf at their mobility was a killer....
Lock-on systems are bugged af. As they always were. Radars still suck too.
I think Gaijin has absolutely no idea what to do with them.
Imagine being outclassed by a type 93
I have more air kills with it than the otomatic, that says alot.
8:50 not bringing the OTOMATIC is an acceptable crime.
Italian CAS I think the Av-8b plus is what you should use, I think it has Mavericks but it has lots of Gbus sooo ?
If AA weren’t able to kill tanks that easily I bet the brs of them would change drastically
17:25 you dont even need good headphones if you set your audio correctly, i use 25€ bluetooth headphones and they work perfectly fine, not the best surround quality, but honestly, if you have at least some map knowledge you dont need the best surround sound and quality, so dont worry about buying expensive headphones if you dont have the money
The state is depressing as our military IRL.
Ye, we have some good stuff, as hardware and people in the various Regiments, Brigades and such of the Army, Navy and Air Force, but there is very little as to hope for the WT counterpart; as for true top tier vehicles there are just the final model of the AMV (renamed "C2" but honestly is truly a "C1.5"...), the B2 Centauro and what Hungary can snatch up in the future.
We have firmed an agreement to produce/get the Leopard 2A8 but we are still too far from a true Leopard 2A8ITA (or IT). We'll see, for sure nothing of game breaking will happen for us, not as a minor nation😶
Was grinding the Italian tree just because of the Freccia a good idea?
11:48 chicken what ?
Chicken nugget?
Don't go looking for stuff that isn't there.
which would you say is the better vehicle between a 105 Centauro and a Type-16? I imagine they're extremely similar
Honestly for top tier CAs the AV8 isn’t that bad
Been 2 years and we still havent got a tech tree version of the A6.
Justin you need to make a video of your eq settings and graphical settings.
Italy is one of the most OP nations in WT just like France. Look at their win rate. Leclerc and Ariete need a nerf, they are ruining the fun for USSR and US mains in top tier.-------- Gaijin, January, 2024.
As my friend says, "I play Italy, so I can complain about Italy..."
Well at least he's not lying
BESALIO CORPITO!!! i dont know why but i laugh everytime i hear that
Still waiting for the devs to update AMV armor like said they would do when the vehicle released
Unfortunately, the otomatic was created to counter helis, not planes
Arietes with adon kits got a weight increase consisting of uh heavy air it seems
Leopards need a nerf or a rework or just take off spall liners from the game, I mean they don’t even work on any tank that isn’t the leopards, it’s ridiculous that 1 on 1 the leopards can kill any tank in the game with one shot while the same cannot be said for its counterparts and in situation when it’s hull down it’s unkillable unless you overpreassure the roof with HE which many nations don’t have
What camo do you run on your tanks?
Imo they should move otomatic down to 11.0 or 10.7
hahaha I am JXZ111 who killed you while in my f15!!! No way!