What few people seem to be talking about is the fact that the Abrams keeps getting heavier - which IRL is obviously justified by the additional armour etc - but in war thunder there is LITERALLY no benefit for this magical extra weight
@@ThatSpecificIndividualI think you’re talking about demonstrators with weight simulator slabs… I don’t think that’s armor that’s like having a fake turret made of lead on top of a prototype hull. It’s made to simulate the mobility with added weight.
@@BARelement Think he was talking about SEPv2 test with pictures of slats to simulate weight. Anyway Abram hull armor denied even though we have sources for it lol
@@ThatSpecificIndividual they add plates and change the composition inside the armor (behind the outer plate) because abrams is a large tank so there's plenty of space left unlike in T tanks when they need to add-on the armor outside but apparently for gaijin if the visuals outside dont change then there is no additional armor lol (they just dont understand the concept and doctrinal differences between western tanks and their ((russian)) tanks)
@@dvls2945 I think they understand the doctrinal difference, but refuse to accept that American/western doctrine absolutely slaps Soviet doctrine. That’s why the Abrams has the worst armor at top tier, and top tier Soviet air gets the best missiles
@@MrWorldwide00 Probably because something like a T-72 has like half the volume? You do realize that a Russian tank is a lot smaller than an Abrams and houses less crew with a more compact design? Which means that it having the same or more armor for less weight is pretty obvious.
It’s also kinda just, even if you got the hull armor, it wouldn’t matter. Literally no one shoots there anyways. It’s either turret ring or using the fuel armor plates to spall the entire turret crew if it’s even slightly angeled
@@PAUL-ESNEED Uh-huh, sure pal. It's almost like we don't know Russian composite armor arrays are almost two generations behind which is why they've invested so heavily in ERA development...oh wait. It also almost like the several different versions of the M1 added something to the tank that gradually has made it over ten goddamned tons heavier than it was back in 1979...oh wait. There's literally no excuse for the missing hull and turret armor packages. If you're defending it you're a bot, a shill, a troll, or an idiot.
@@georges.patton4241 Until the Russian Army destroys an Abrams and captures it, then releases the Armor scheme like they did with Leopard we may never know...
@@interpl6089even that wouldn’t be reliable, there’s no way the U.S would send DU Abrams to Ukraine when the likely hood that they will get captured and studied is so high.
@@ilikepies4877 bingo. we did not send DU Abrams over, nor our newer rounds. They won't get to see those in person unless Uncle Sam starts a victory parade in the red square.
You can buff the reload speed and other crap all you like but until the Abram’s gets a realistic armor package AND American teams stop being full of 1 death leavers the problem will still remain.
Doesn't change anything, Abrams is going to be shit regardless of it having premium spam or not. USA doesn't win unless it's carried most of the time by Russia or Germany. USA has been dead weight for a while now on whatever team it's on. You have to play the Abrams like a shitty light tank and be a pussy sitting in corners with your engine off so you can't be heard from across the map, as well as using everyone else as armor because yours is garbage.
If anything, the clickbait is driving the win rate down even more because newer players are buying it, with nothing else in their lineup. Last night a Clickbait on my team died, and he rolled out a jumbo 76, and then a duster. It was a sad day all around.
As far as I can recall, I have never had a good experience either with a M1A1 AIM/Clickbait player. It truly is like the least skilled/worst attitude people get those tanks. It’s getting very hard to find any valid reason that I can put understanding towards anymore.
The artificial reload buff to Challie 2's gradient (5s aced) is one of the most horrendous balancing changes Gaijin has done recently, they perfectly knew what would happen after the addition of the AIM and Clickbait. Abrams' have now the same reload as the british for EIGTHTEEN shells compared to british only four!
I saw in a forum post today about how Gaijin does not intend to increase the Abrams' armor protection cause they don't know if it was put on production vehicles (sure buddy), and it really pissed me off. It's just straight up unreasonable how shafted the tank is getting right now compared to what it should be. They did talk about adding M829A3 to the SEP V2, which they claimed wouldn't really change anything (it absolutely should). If they're not going to increase the hull protection to at least close to what it should be to match their contemporaries, then shells like DM53 and M829A3 should be given their IRL ability to resist ERA degradation to at least bring down the effectiveness of Russian armor arrays.
You can see at 3:31 that the ERA on the side consists of 2 separate modules- most people appear to only look at the terracotta roof tile looking stuff on the outside, but under that is another layer of ERA bricks.
Justin- snaps onto the pixel of an enemy tank and predicts their location behind foliage Me- staring at a t-80BVM with a bush on its head wondering why that tree has a barrel PS: love the video, I’m your sub now! I hope I can learn a thing or to from you. 9.0 and below is a breeze but above has me wondering where to shoot. You make the abrams look good, I just wish I could pull those moves off
gaijin be like "unless we see classified documents that we arent legally allowed to see or use in the game we have to go off our own estimates" meanwhile russian tanks have a billion mm of protection
Check the armor analysis, there’s literally no change to the armor on the sides, except a few extra mm on the sepv2 from the ERA on the side The armor is the same
One of my squad mates recently got banned for cheating. It was actually quite funny tbh. He was in a match with our Squadron leader and few other of our discord members around the time the 40k cheaters were banned. And while in match he suddenly got disconnected. Without saying a single word apparently he left the vc, the discord, and blocked half of the members and when checking the replays of him it was extremely clear he was using some sort of cheat.
I don’t think anybody realizes this, but the abrams upgrades like the SEP ( system enhancement package) and TUSK (tank urban survival kit) extra side protection is based off fighting terrorists who mainly would fire at the side of the tank from an alley using RPGs and IEDs. The very few tanks they fought against were t54s and t62s from old Russian warehouses. Something to keep in mind when comparing the abrams to other modern MBTs
I don't believe that the M1 with 120mm guns ever received upgraded armor on their later production models. I only accept sources that prove me wrong and I also refuse to accept any sources that prove me wrong. It's the fact because i believe it so. ~Gaijin
this "buff" Gaijin decided to finally add is actually a standard in the US Army the Abrams Tank Crew Gunnery Skills Test requires the crew to be able to engage 12 targets in 1 minute, so basically the loader needs to reload the main gun in under 5 seconds
Top tier USA isn't worth playing until the vehicles get their respective mods and buffs they should've had in the first place. Plus with the current win rates, playing America is putting yourself in an automatic disadvantage and its not fun
They gave the Abrams a slight buff only to reload as their way of being "nice" about "leave us alone about liners" because they truly flat out refuse to buff the US since bias is only thing that matters
That and how loud they are in game. You could be on the other's ideas of a context box and it would sound like a normal 7 ton on the other side. Yet for some God knows reason they make them louder than a jet engine.
@@gavinlightfoot5521 the higher pitch does make them louder... if you're literally next to it further than like 15-30m+ it's quieter but it's almost negligible
Taking out my new IS2 as totally stock, I lost my turret ring. Put out a repair request and had no less than SIX teammates, over the next 10 minutes, stop right next to me and play peek-a-boom, but not one bothered to help me repair. I normally refer to WT players as crayon eaters, but I think that's making the assumption they're smart enough to feed themselves.
I wish they buff the Challenguer 2s now, I mean, the good thing of the Challys was 5 second reload for 4 shells, now M1 is the good version of the Chally, with 5 seconds but a lot more shells.
The challenger 2s are just shafted at every corner. Gaijin thinks adding spall liners negates their issues, it doesn’t. Until the armour is fixed, ready rack increased and acceleration is improved, they will continue to suck in game.
The reload buff is fantastic for the Abrams. But since it was given to all the 120mm Abrams it still doesn’t give any reason to play the bulky SEPv2 over the SEP and standard M1A2.
M1A2 is arguably better than both the SEPs, it has significantly better mobility and is far less vulnerable to HE, in exchange for much better thermals and better HEAT protection, which is arguably useless.
This isnt a buff. Its the revocation of a nerf. This was the original fire rate of the abrams based on the same data sets they claim doesnt justify an increase in armor.
According to several sources, and the book “Tanks Inside and Out” and I believe the other by the same author, “The World’s Greatest Tanks” both state that the M1a1 Heavy Common and later (starting in 1987-88) received DU armour packages, and in 1988, the M1 gained an additional module of Depleted Uranium in its lower hull. There are documents you can find online that are official, but are older and do not specify how much DU is in the turret and hull. But it’s been known for a while the hull is protected by copious amounts of DU. Also, the upper hull also may even reinforced with DU or composite. I’d bet it is as well. There’s so much that’s classified though.
honestly i think thats quite unrealistic. yes you can load a 120mm gun in 5s but not 10 times in a row. ask a tanker. also by this argument every tank with a 120mm should be able to reload in 5s. The abrams absolutely needs a buff but i think its the wrong way. i can actully also understand gaijins decision regarding the hullarmor. if they would add it to the abrams for example the leopard should get alot more two because they kinda messed up the hull there two
M829a3 designed to penetrate relikt- gaijin: yeah M82a3 wouldn’t change much Also gaijin: yeah we see no increase in armor on production line M1 abrams Me with one Google search: “yeah so they’re full of shit”
Lol they wont give shit to the m1 , if you give it a better round so what? They wont let it just lul pen there fav tanks, just quit the game, hurt there pockets and then and only then will they fix top tier
@@Rono99 Yeah I am letting my premium run out and probably never renewing. It's not worth playing a game where the creators nationalist beliefs interfere with how a fuckin' game plays. Gotta love Russians :)
Gaijins refusal to add in at least some armour buff despite the mountains of evidence showing that the Abrams has better armour but immediately take propaganda numbers of Russian tanks at face value is so infuriating. Plus all the other issues this game has makes me wish some one will make a better version of this game (Or I if I had the funds,)
I'm a USA main, if the Abrams is getting a reload buff then every 120 mm manual reloaded tank should get a reload buff. Gaijin needs to stop making excuses on why to not fix the Abrams armour, by the way Italy, France and Israel are getting spall liners in their MBTs before America and not to mention how a single Russian tank getting a spall liner was enough now they're just giving up on the rest of the tanks for the time being 🗿 They seriously added spall liners in the worst way possible, all they had to do was just 1 tank of every nation for this update instead of doing 1 nation at a time, we'll probably be waiting well into 2024 for every nation to get spall liners on the proper vehicles
The reload buff is not enough to make any of the Abrams good. Much more is needed. Plus while they're at it they need to give the Stryker it's missing 3° of depression and correct it's reload rate to 6.5s and not 7.5s; as well as give the M1 Abrams M833 so it can have a round that's actually appropriate for its fucking BR, and the XM-1 M774 at the very least for that pile of garbage tank if they won't give it the missing smoke launchers.
The CROWS can mount the Mk19 and a Javelin. Doesn't have to be a machine gun (.50cal or M240B). For the Top Tier American Tech Tree, it helps to remember that Gaijin is 100% aware they underhand the Abrams, but they do so in the name of balance.
The sepv2 was made for urban warfare against infantry and light vehicles in middle east, so for a game that does not have those elements, it is literally the same as sep with bigger profile.
The A1, HC, A2 and SEPv1 (without TUSK) really benefitted from the reload buff, they can still be somewhat sneaky (Abrams means if you get hit you die) and are decently mobile. The SEPv2 however is still in a shitty spot. It's less mobile than the others, meaning that you have less benefit from the reload. It also has the twin towers mounted on the rear of the turret so it can't benefit from the reload using stealth. And with the DU hull armor not coming the SEPv2 is pretty much useless.
I would rather have a better shell or the proper armor on the m1 than 5 second reload..which by the way is what real m1 crews do in real life.. it should get 5 second reload du armor and the m833 round..
It can pretty much be summarized that despite the snail’s efforts, not every vehicle is 100% faithful to irl, im an actual abrams tanker and a lot of the things that make it bad in game are dont reflect it irl.
Thermals IRL -are- disrupted by mist and fog. Kinda. It's almost always better than visible light, but there is distortion. It happens for 2 reasons: 1. "Thermals" actually see infra-red light, and while it penetrates differently than visible light, it does get reflected or blocked by water. 2. Fog and mist have their own temperature and radiate their own IR, which can sometimes be similar to the temperature of ground or of the colder parts of vehicles, but not always. IRL the distortion isn't usually bad, but it's something you need to be aware of for those rare moments where it becomes bad. It's not as significant as thermal crossover, which happens around an hour after sunrise or sunset, when the warming or cooling ground is briefly the same temperature as other materials. IRL you can work around it by adjusting settings, but things can just vanish for 5 or 10 minutes.
I think this needs to be said: the first M1a2/naked V1 are the best Abrams you’ll get. The trend of NATO mbts in general is that all the “improved protection” variants are slight downgrades of the first real top tier you get. There’s really no reason to use your V2, TES, Azur, B+, etc once they’re spaded if you care purely about performance
Not to mention the whole DU fiasco, but they also stated they do not believe M829A3 is any more effective against modern armor and ERA, a round specifically designed for Kontakt-5.
They would probably buff the frontal armor like the lower plate if the US Army revealed the real life m1a2 sep v2, m1a2 sep v3's information like the armor profile and the firepower, something like that
Gajin is scared to add the M829A3 APFSDS because its to overpowered gajin upped Sweden, Germany and Russian and Chinese bias because almost all my lower frontal hit are always bouncing off at direct hits
I think another big update they could give to the Abram’s that would really help would be reducing engine noise. In real life the Abram’s engine is not nearly as loud as in game. I swear you can hear an enemy Abram’s coming from over half a kilometer away. They are by far the loudest top tier tank
Making the spall liners destructible is alright, but I feel like it was a missed opportunity to balance out shell types. They could bring in later higher penning Tungsten sabots which would act like AP solid shot in the lower tiers, and then model the ionized gas produced from self-sharpening for the lower penning DU rounds already found in game and add DM33 PELE to act as APHE. That way there is a tactical tradeoff for either more pen or lethality.
Abram’s has to be the most artificially nerfed mbt in the game. Doesn’t get its accurate round or armor or even reload. Although the reload is a lot better now…
once i saw the nametag in that helicopter in the first match i kinda screamed cuz i realised the Justin was playing with both Carterthegrand AND Elite Death
hey man, keep up the good work! About the reduction on the reload, it's that is wrong. 5 sec is way too big of an advantage, let's say both tanks screw up their shot, automatically Abram's have the upper hand. if they want to fix it they can add more armor, but not a crazy amount like they are asking. overalll its a game it has to have some balance
i am not even playing warthunder sincr i am busy, but seeing your content somewhat i feel that i am playing the game again, its so much fun watching your videos
Not going to lie, back when I first got to top tier I thought all of the Abrams had 5 seconds reload since IPM had. They felt like there was nothing going for em and that 5 seconds reload felt like that one thing they were good at, firerate
14:15 Not sure if you're aware of it, but the F-15A is infamously flimsy in this game, if you have ANY payload over 400 kg (full fuel load/a single rack of bombs) it makes the F-15A wing rip at anything over 6G lateral (aka going left/right, by rudder/rolling mid-turn, looping is the only one that doesn't tier) overload. seriously, the only way this doesn't happen is if you have a full missile loadout with no bombs. (this is supposed to "balance" it.... lol, makes it worse at CAS than an F-16C while ALSO being worse at air superiority) (update) Omg... the entire missile dodging run at 20:00 is just exceptional, the way you're so cagey with your moves is just such a treat to watch!
IRL the Abrams Loader can Load a round the max speed someone did it in the military was 3.8 secs the avg is 4.7 secs new Loaders get it around 6-8 secs this all depends on how good the breach is oiled so its smooth and the Abrams lower plate can withstand 530mm of KE and 900 of chem also for for question about haze environments no It doesn't mess with Military Grade thermals not even sandstorms
Thermal sights are generally bad, as in they're not realistic. They're just some kind of a color filter swap thing. This is why mist is still mist, kicked up dirt still is dirt that blocks thermal sights, and you have half of the map bright white and other normal when the sun is positioned low on one end. You can google thermal camera images pointed at the sun, it's not an overbearing glow. I used to use green hot originally, because it's more authentic. But then they did some change, and green hot is just blinding, everything is on fire, trees, buildings, a piece of wooden bridge over the creek. White hot is the only playable scheme.
How about type 90 again? At 11.0 is quite something :) Or maybe STB-2? Apds only is quite painful with the dmg right now Also a fact, type-90 has a lot of spall liner in the tank... There's a document about it :) hut that's all i can say :)
"Some Glory"...... not the glory it deserves... but if Gaijin follows through, we could be seeing spall liners added to all Abrams, and maybe even M829A3
Reload buff was an attempt by gaijin to shut up American mains about armor and spall liners. A poor attempt. I haven't actively played America in 2 years and I can't be bothered because how squishy the Abrams are and the lack luster vehicles at rank 7/8. Only vehicles I actually enjoy is the ADATS and the Stryker. Probably the IPM1. America top tier is boring and not fun. Japan, France, and my absolute favorite nation, swedish, are way funnier. Swedes have variety and really fun tanks at top tier, France is more tanky and generally more mobile, and Japan is very mobile with insane reload. Russia is Russian bias and that's still more fun despite the Russian bias crutch.
It’s just sad how bad the snail shits on the abrams. They could’ve added du armor inserts as a upgrade instead of the new sep. And the whole spall liner being put in center tanks is probably the worst thing the snail has done as far as bias goes.
11 months later is still like that. Most users don't know what they're doing. Gaijin prohibited me from cussing out teammates. The tanks are really good, it's the players that don't learn the tanks.
Justin. I remember at some point you had sent Gaijin an 8 page document regarding all the information you had managed to dig up in your research on the HSTV-L. Did you ever make that document public. I would love to read it.
Obviously the M1s deserve proper armor, and yes this reload buff is an excuse not to give them their proper armor. However, this reload buff is actually a lot bigger deal than people realize, now a top tier cannon with top tier amnunition can fire off 17 rounds with a 5 second reload, which is clearly unmatched by any competitor. Not to mention that the M1 has good turret armor, and excellent mobility, and amazing gun handling. The reload buff will have far more in game impact than increasing the hull and turret armor, as the turret is already immune to everything and the DU hull will still be penetrated by top tier APFSDS.
Either top tier leo was soo good Or current US team are filled with new player/bad german main who get bored and switch tech tree Feels bad for US team rn
Everyone talking about the static armor needing buffing, but IMO, the worst offender is the ERA ARAT 1 is said by the manufacturer, to be able to stop 30mm APDS rounds from 500 yards ARAT 2 is supposed to be able to stop 35mm APFSDS rounds from 500 yards But gaijin, in their infinite wisdom, gives them a combined Kinetic protection of 30mm That’s freaking autistic It should be 100-120mm of kinetic for ARAT 1, and around 150-170mm for ARAT 2 Actually moronic that that’s closer to the chemical protection that Gaijin has given them, even tho ARAT 2 can defend against TOW missiles But no, they give it less then 1/2 of its actual protection I think everyone would be fine with a 7 second reload if the tank had the protection it really has Especially since the T-90M gets insane protection, while the Leo 2A7V and challenger 3 also don’t get squat for armor upgrades
i feel like the reload buff is gonna be used as an excuse to not buff the armor
Im done with warthunder. grinded to the top of the tech tree and I get 6 essentially identically shit tanks, Ill sink my time into reality now
Yeah check the forum post from today. Exactly what they did
@@aidonger42069good 🙏
@@aidonger42069 I noticed how nobody plays the T-90M over the T-80BVM....because the BVM is better.
@@aidonger42069 top tier sucks, US top tier is unplayable
What few people seem to be talking about is the fact that the Abrams keeps getting heavier - which IRL is obviously justified by the additional armour etc - but in war thunder there is LITERALLY no benefit for this magical extra weight
You can see IRL that the newer Abrams has an extra plate welded on the front for protection but apparently it doesn't exist.
@@ThatSpecificIndividualI think you’re talking about demonstrators with weight simulator slabs… I don’t think that’s armor that’s like having a fake turret made of lead on top of a prototype hull. It’s made to simulate the mobility with added weight.
@@BARelement Think he was talking about SEPv2 test with pictures of slats to simulate weight. Anyway Abram hull armor denied even though we have sources for it lol
@@ThatSpecificIndividual they add plates and change the composition inside the armor (behind the outer plate) because abrams is a large tank so there's plenty of space left unlike in T tanks when they need to add-on the armor outside but apparently for gaijin if the visuals outside dont change then there is no additional armor lol (they just dont understand the concept and doctrinal differences between western tanks and their ((russian)) tanks)
@@dvls2945 I think they understand the doctrinal difference, but refuse to accept that American/western doctrine absolutely slaps Soviet doctrine. That’s why the Abrams has the worst armor at top tier, and top tier Soviet air gets the best missiles
Guys, Gaijin believes that abrams are glass cannons, lol Apparently all that weight goes nowhere and armor should stay like that
yet russian tanks are like 15 tonnes lighter and are somehow invulnerable. gaijin logic
Glorious Russia has better armour comrade!! Wadym where is that vodka????
@@MrWorldwide00 Probably because something like a T-72 has like half the volume? You do realize that a Russian tank is a lot smaller than an Abrams and houses less crew with a more compact design? Which means that it having the same or more armor for less weight is pretty obvious.
It’s also kinda just, even if you got the hull armor, it wouldn’t matter. Literally no one shoots there anyways. It’s either turret ring or using the fuel armor plates to spall the entire turret crew if it’s even slightly angeled
@@PAUL-ESNEED Uh-huh, sure pal. It's almost like we don't know Russian composite armor arrays are almost two generations behind which is why they've invested so heavily in ERA development...oh wait. It also almost like the several different versions of the M1 added something to the tank that gradually has made it over ten goddamned tons heavier than it was back in 1979...oh wait.
There's literally no excuse for the missing hull and turret armor packages. If you're defending it you're a bot, a shill, a troll, or an idiot.
Remember kids the snail believe the Abrams does not have enhanced armor on production models and M829A3 is not designed to pen modern ERA
a quick google search disproves their claim lol
@@casualspawnpeeking3680 this is also the same people that asked for exact numbers for the DU armor which is classified
@@georges.patton4241 Until the Russian Army destroys an Abrams and captures it, then releases the Armor scheme like they did with Leopard we may never know...
@@interpl6089even that wouldn’t be reliable, there’s no way the U.S would send DU Abrams to Ukraine when the likely hood that they will get captured and studied is so high.
@@ilikepies4877 bingo. we did not send DU Abrams over, nor our newer rounds. They won't get to see those in person unless Uncle Sam starts a victory parade in the red square.
You can buff the reload speed and other crap all you like but until the Abram’s gets a realistic armor package AND American teams stop being full of 1 death leavers the problem will still remain.
1 death leavers are a bigger proboem imho.
Agree, the devs ruined America
As if giving us a top-tier premium M1A1 was a good idea, knowing their winrates is practically at a all time low
Doesn't change anything, Abrams is going to be shit regardless of it having premium spam or not. USA doesn't win unless it's carried most of the time by Russia or Germany. USA has been dead weight for a while now on whatever team it's on. You have to play the Abrams like a shitty light tank and be a pussy sitting in corners with your engine off so you can't be heard from across the map, as well as using everyone else as armor because yours is garbage.
If anything, the clickbait is driving the win rate down even more because newer players are buying it, with nothing else in their lineup.
Last night a Clickbait on my team died, and he rolled out a jumbo 76, and then a duster. It was a sad day all around.
to be honest a duster as top tier tank destroyer could work@@TrepidDestiny
As far as I can recall, I have never had a good experience either with a M1A1 AIM/Clickbait player. It truly is like the least skilled/worst attitude people get those tanks. It’s getting very hard to find any valid reason that I can put understanding towards anymore.
@@TrepidDestinyat least they had other tanks unlike most. Also don't worry russia and germany are next on the top tier premium list i imagine.
The artificial reload buff to Challie 2's gradient (5s aced) is one of the most horrendous balancing changes Gaijin has done recently, they perfectly knew what would happen after the addition of the AIM and Clickbait. Abrams' have now the same reload as the british for EIGTHTEEN shells compared to british only four!
I saw in a forum post today about how Gaijin does not intend to increase the Abrams' armor protection cause they don't know if it was put on production vehicles (sure buddy), and it really pissed me off. It's just straight up unreasonable how shafted the tank is getting right now compared to what it should be. They did talk about adding M829A3 to the SEP V2, which they claimed wouldn't really change anything (it absolutely should). If they're not going to increase the hull protection to at least close to what it should be to match their contemporaries, then shells like DM53 and M829A3 should be given their IRL ability to resist ERA degradation to at least bring down the effectiveness of Russian armor arrays.
Lol gaijin’s vatnik cope is just pathetic at this point. As if we don’t see real time how shitty russian tanks actually are
Don’t play until Abrams are modeled correctly. Where is the spall liner, du inserts, 3rd gen thermals…
Exactly!
sepv2 didnt have 3rd gen thermals, but its supposed to have the best possible gen 2 thermals you can get which are comparable to gen 3
@@waldek7772 it feels like russian mbts have all the highest tier thermals which isn't very true to real life reality at all
Bro most tanks aren't modeled fully.
@@aidonger42069 the t80bvvm and t90m are from 2016-2019, the abrams sepv2 is from 2007, of course those tanks are gonna have better thermals
You can see at 3:31 that the ERA on the side consists of 2 separate modules- most people appear to only look at the terracotta roof tile looking stuff on the outside, but under that is another layer of ERA bricks.
Which only adds another 20mm of kinetic protection, as mentioned o.o
@@JustinPlaysTV Ah, my mistake- although, it should offer some protection against tandem, at least
admittedly not much, but some
@@fraser9580 it doesn't
Justin- snaps onto the pixel of an enemy tank and predicts their location behind foliage
Me- staring at a t-80BVM with a bush on its head wondering why that tree has a barrel
PS: love the video, I’m your sub now! I hope I can learn a thing or to from you. 9.0 and below is a breeze but above has me wondering where to shoot. You make the abrams look good, I just wish I could pull those moves off
On the new sepV2 the side turret armor is 13mm where on the m1a2 and sepV1 have 101mm. Very balanced
ye someone told me they nerfed the turret side armor and I couldn't believe until I saw it. absolute fake realism bullshit
gaijin be like "unless we see classified documents that we arent legally allowed to see or use in the game we have to go off our own estimates"
meanwhile russian tanks have a billion mm of protection
they're just being dicks at this point. I'm gonna stop giving gaijin my money@@MrWorldwide00
Check the armor analysis, there’s literally no change to the armor on the sides, except a few extra mm on the sepv2 from the ERA on the side
The armor is the same
@@MrWorldwide00 They think making Russian tanks better in game will stop their crews from becoming cosmonauts irl
One of my squad mates recently got banned for cheating. It was actually quite funny tbh. He was in a match with our Squadron leader and few other of our discord members around the time the 40k cheaters were banned. And while in match he suddenly got disconnected. Without saying a single word apparently he left the vc, the discord, and blocked half of the members and when checking the replays of him it was extremely clear he was using some sort of cheat.
I don’t think anybody realizes this, but the abrams upgrades like the SEP ( system enhancement package) and TUSK (tank urban survival kit) extra side protection is based off fighting terrorists who mainly would fire at the side of the tank from an alley using RPGs and IEDs. The very few tanks they fought against were t54s and t62s from old Russian warehouses. Something to keep in mind when comparing the abrams to other modern MBTs
I don't believe that the M1 with 120mm guns ever received upgraded armor on their later production models. I only accept sources that prove me wrong and I also refuse to accept any sources that prove me wrong. It's the fact because i believe it so. ~Gaijin
this "buff" Gaijin decided to finally add is actually a standard in the US Army
the Abrams Tank Crew Gunnery Skills Test requires the crew to be able to engage 12 targets in 1 minute, so basically the loader needs to reload the main gun in under 5 seconds
Top tier USA isn't worth playing until the vehicles get their respective mods and buffs they should've had in the first place. Plus with the current win rates, playing America is putting yourself in an automatic disadvantage and its not fun
whispering death is its nickname but for some reason in WT you can hear it from across entire map cuz it sounds like giant vacuum cleaner :D
Spall liners been in American MBTs since the M60… “yeah we don’t think the Abram’s ever had any extra protection”
it doesnt
@@TheKorejenit’s probably inside the actual armor
They gave the Abrams a slight buff only to reload as their way of being "nice" about "leave us alone about liners" because they truly flat out refuse to buff the US since bias is only thing that matters
Cool story bro
@@aidanriess4946I mean this makes it blatantly obvious and I’m not even a us main
@@thatoneguy1741 Damn, even cooler story bro
@@aidanriess4946As an Italian and Japanese main who gets shafted because we play "irrelevant countries" no, Gaijin is surely biased.
So wait, the only thing the Challenger 2 had going for it for it's 4 first stage rounds, now the Abrams has for it's much larger first stage? cool.
I have a couple of friends that went into the armored branch of the army, both laugh at how comically bad the abrams is in game.
That and how loud they are in game. You could be on the other's ideas of a context box and it would sound like a normal 7 ton on the other side. Yet for some God knows reason they make them louder than a jet engine.
@@Thebaconmurderergaijin doesn't realize that gas turbines really aren't much louder if louder at all than the diesel engines, just higher pitch
@@gavinlightfoot5521 the higher pitch does make them louder... if you're literally next to it further than like 15-30m+ it's quieter but it's almost negligible
@@daskollektiv4593 the sound fades out, from far away the tracks of the abrams are louder than the engine, close to it the engine is quite loud.
Taking out my new IS2 as totally stock, I lost my turret ring. Put out a repair request and had no less than SIX teammates, over the next 10 minutes, stop right next to me and play peek-a-boom, but not one bothered to help me repair. I normally refer to WT players as crayon eaters, but I think that's making the assumption they're smart enough to feed themselves.
I wish they buff the Challenguer 2s now, I mean, the good thing of the Challys was 5 second reload for 4 shells, now M1 is the good version of the Chally, with 5 seconds but a lot more shells.
The challenger 2s are just shafted at every corner. Gaijin thinks adding spall liners negates their issues, it doesn’t. Until the armour is fixed, ready rack increased and acceleration is improved, they will continue to suck in game.
Gaijin should buff the hull armor to the estimates people have made before someone actually leaks classified documents.
They think we gon forget that this variant has m829a3 and du inserts 🙎🏿♂️
I appreciate your content and Twitch streams man. Thanks for your deepdives and skill with the game.
Everyone complaining when the Abraham’s buff is not good enough … while the ariettes are getting nerfed 😂
Real
Hoping Ariete got fu*king 3 second reload
You know "reload is balanced factor"
The reload buff is fantastic for the Abrams. But since it was given to all the 120mm Abrams it still doesn’t give any reason to play the bulky SEPv2 over the SEP and standard M1A2.
America is noob time thats tha Probleme
M1A2 is arguably better than both the SEPs, it has significantly better mobility and is far less vulnerable to HE, in exchange for much better thermals and better HEAT protection, which is arguably useless.
I'd rather go with the SEP without tusk mounted @@cptflyingfort7147
This isnt a buff.
Its the revocation of a nerf. This was the original fire rate of the abrams based on the same data sets they claim doesnt justify an increase in armor.
They are trying to put realistic stats, so don't expect to buff a tank to stats that don't exist.
According to several sources, and the book “Tanks Inside and Out” and I believe the other by the same author, “The World’s Greatest Tanks” both state that the M1a1 Heavy Common and later (starting in 1987-88) received DU armour packages, and in 1988, the M1 gained an additional module of Depleted Uranium in its lower hull. There are documents you can find online that are official, but are older and do not specify how much DU is in the turret and hull. But it’s been known for a while the hull is protected by copious amounts of DU. Also, the upper hull also may even reinforced with DU or composite. I’d bet it is as well. There’s so much that’s classified though.
honestly i think thats quite unrealistic. yes you can load a 120mm gun in 5s but not 10 times in a row. ask a tanker. also by this argument every tank with a 120mm should be able to reload in 5s. The abrams absolutely needs a buff but i think its the wrong way. i can actully also understand gaijins decision regarding the hullarmor. if they would add it to the abrams for example the leopard should get alot more two because they kinda messed up the hull there two
M829a3 designed to penetrate relikt- gaijin: yeah M82a3 wouldn’t change much
Also gaijin: yeah we see no increase in armor on production line M1 abrams
Me with one Google search: “yeah so they’re full of shit”
its for kontakt 5 not relikt a4 is for relikt
Lol they wont give shit to the m1 , if you give it a better round so what? They wont let it just lul pen there fav tanks, just quit the game, hurt there pockets and then and only then will they fix top tier
@@Rono99what I did.
@@Honoer yep, im 2500 hour US main, stoped playing 4 months back
@@Rono99 Yeah I am letting my premium run out and probably never renewing. It's not worth playing a game where the creators nationalist beliefs interfere with how a fuckin' game plays. Gotta love Russians :)
Gaijins refusal to add in at least some armour buff despite the mountains of evidence showing that the Abrams has better armour but immediately take propaganda numbers of Russian tanks at face value is so infuriating.
Plus all the other issues this game has makes me wish some one will make a better version of this game (Or I if I had the funds,)
Literally
you have to be one the most friendly and happy war thunder player ever and you make incredible content
I'm a USA main, if the Abrams is getting a reload buff then every 120 mm manual reloaded tank should get a reload buff.
Gaijin needs to stop making excuses on why to not fix the Abrams armour, by the way Italy, France and Israel are getting spall liners in their MBTs before America and not to mention how a single Russian tank getting a spall liner was enough now they're just giving up on the rest of the tanks for the time being 🗿
They seriously added spall liners in the worst way possible, all they had to do was just 1 tank of every nation for this update instead of doing 1 nation at a time, we'll probably be waiting well into 2024 for every nation to get spall liners on the proper vehicles
they just said they refuse to fix the abrams
The fact that you are not on 100k yet is wierd. You are a great content creator man, keep it up and you will hit that 100k, ly❤
The reload buff is not enough to make any of the Abrams good. Much more is needed. Plus while they're at it they need to give the Stryker it's missing 3° of depression and correct it's reload rate to 6.5s and not 7.5s; as well as give the M1 Abrams M833 so it can have a round that's actually appropriate for its fucking BR, and the XM-1 M774 at the very least for that pile of garbage tank if they won't give it the missing smoke launchers.
The CROWS can mount the Mk19 and a Javelin. Doesn't have to be a machine gun (.50cal or M240B). For the Top Tier American Tech Tree, it helps to remember that Gaijin is 100% aware they underhand the Abrams, but they do so in the name of balance.
The sepv2 was made for urban warfare against infantry and light vehicles in middle east, so for a game that does not have those elements, it is literally the same as sep with bigger profile.
The A1, HC, A2 and SEPv1 (without TUSK) really benefitted from the reload buff, they can still be somewhat sneaky (Abrams means if you get hit you die) and are decently mobile.
The SEPv2 however is still in a shitty spot. It's less mobile than the others, meaning that you have less benefit from the reload. It also has the twin towers mounted on the rear of the turret so it can't benefit from the reload using stealth.
And with the DU hull armor not coming the SEPv2 is pretty much useless.
oh your reloads faster? here eat this dm53.
I would rather have a better shell or the proper armor on the m1 than 5 second reload..which by the way is what real m1 crews do in real life.. it should get 5 second reload du armor and the m833 round..
It can pretty much be summarized that despite the snail’s efforts, not every vehicle is 100% faithful to irl, im an actual abrams tanker and a lot of the things that make it bad in game are dont reflect it irl.
Thermals IRL -are- disrupted by mist and fog. Kinda. It's almost always better than visible light, but there is distortion. It happens for 2 reasons:
1. "Thermals" actually see infra-red light, and while it penetrates differently than visible light, it does get reflected or blocked by water.
2. Fog and mist have their own temperature and radiate their own IR, which can sometimes be similar to the temperature of ground or of the colder parts of vehicles, but not always.
IRL the distortion isn't usually bad, but it's something you need to be aware of for those rare moments where it becomes bad.
It's not as significant as thermal crossover, which happens around an hour after sunrise or sunset, when the warming or cooling ground is briefly the same temperature as other materials. IRL you can work around it by adjusting settings, but things can just vanish for 5 or 10 minutes.
I think this needs to be said: the first M1a2/naked V1 are the best Abrams you’ll get. The trend of NATO mbts in general is that all the “improved protection” variants are slight downgrades of the first real top tier you get. There’s really no reason to use your V2, TES, Azur, B+, etc once they’re spaded if you care purely about performance
As someone working my way through the US tanks, close air support is their redeeming factor.
Not to mention the whole DU fiasco, but they also stated they do not believe M829A3 is any more effective against modern armor and ERA, a round specifically designed for Kontakt-5.
They would probably buff the frontal armor like the lower plate if the US Army revealed the real life m1a2 sep v2, m1a2 sep v3's information like the armor profile and the firepower, something like that
Gajin is scared to add the M829A3 APFSDS because its to overpowered
gajin upped Sweden, Germany and Russian and Chinese bias because almost all my lower frontal hit are always bouncing off at direct hits
Usa top tier sucks because gaijin keeps releasing high tier premium usa vehicles for low level players
I think another big update they could give to the Abram’s that would really help would be reducing engine noise. In real life the Abram’s engine is not nearly as loud as in game. I swear you can hear an enemy Abram’s coming from over half a kilometer away. They are by far the loudest top tier tank
Making the spall liners destructible is alright, but I feel like it was a missed opportunity to balance out shell types. They could bring in later higher penning Tungsten sabots which would act like AP solid shot in the lower tiers, and then model the ionized gas produced from self-sharpening for the lower penning DU rounds already found in game and add DM33 PELE to act as APHE. That way there is a tactical tradeoff for either more pen or lethality.
Love the clouds and hazy environment.
im 95% sure the devs put large antenna on all Abrams so its impossible to crest without being spotted early
Abram’s has to be the most artificially nerfed mbt in the game. Doesn’t get its accurate round or armor or even reload. Although the reload is a lot better now…
“This was supposed to be a jumpcut” world famous words lol
Hey, stuff happens in between so I just say screw it and leave it in xP
@@JustinPlaysTV xD
once i saw the nametag in that helicopter in the first match i kinda screamed cuz i realised the Justin was playing with both Carterthegrand AND Elite Death
Now with the 5s reload, feels kinda like a middle ground between Type90 and Leo2.
hey man, keep up the good work! About the reduction on the reload, it's that is wrong. 5 sec is way too big of an advantage, let's say both tanks screw up their shot, automatically Abram's have the upper hand. if they want to fix it they can add more armor, but not a crazy amount like they are asking. overalll its a game it has to have some balance
i am not even playing warthunder sincr i am busy, but seeing your content somewhat i feel that i am playing the game again, its so much fun watching your videos
I finally gave up trying to play the SEP last night after losing 10 games in a row so I switched to the 2A6 and won every game I played lol
sepv2 looks hot though
And now buff leclerc to 5s reload.
Not going to lie, back when I first got to top tier I thought all of the Abrams had 5 seconds reload since IPM had.
They felt like there was nothing going for em and that 5 seconds reload felt like that one thing they were good at, firerate
14:15 Not sure if you're aware of it, but the F-15A is infamously flimsy in this game, if you have ANY payload over 400 kg (full fuel load/a single rack of bombs) it makes the F-15A wing rip at anything over 6G lateral (aka going left/right, by rudder/rolling mid-turn, looping is the only one that doesn't tier) overload. seriously, the only way this doesn't happen is if you have a full missile loadout with no bombs. (this is supposed to "balance" it.... lol, makes it worse at CAS than an F-16C while ALSO being worse at air superiority)
(update) Omg... the entire missile dodging run at 20:00 is just exceptional, the way you're so cagey with your moves is just such a treat to watch!
IRL the Abrams Loader can Load a round the max speed someone did it in the military was 3.8 secs the avg is 4.7 secs new Loaders get it around 6-8 secs this all depends on how good the breach is oiled so its smooth and the Abrams lower plate can withstand 530mm of KE and 900 of chem also for for question about haze environments no It doesn't mess with Military Grade thermals not even sandstorms
the fact that spall liners are one time use is a very good thing the leopard 2A7 would be WAY too powerfull with this
Thermal sights are generally bad, as in they're not realistic. They're just some kind of a color filter swap thing. This is why mist is still mist, kicked up dirt still is dirt that blocks thermal sights, and you have half of the map bright white and other normal when the sun is positioned low on one end. You can google thermal camera images pointed at the sun, it's not an overbearing glow. I used to use green hot originally, because it's more authentic. But then they did some change, and green hot is just blinding, everything is on fire, trees, buildings, a piece of wooden bridge over the creek. White hot is the only playable scheme.
How about type 90 again? At 11.0 is quite something :)
Or maybe STB-2? Apds only is quite painful with the dmg right now
Also a fact, type-90 has a lot of spall liner in the tank... There's a document about it :) hut that's all i can say :)
6:26 perfect rage moment while you kill one guy then 2 other tanks pop up while your team is sitting there with thumbs up their asses i love it...
I’m in this video 🔥🤙 we got a nuke in match I saw you though
"Some Glory"...... not the glory it deserves... but if Gaijin follows through, we could be seeing spall liners added to all Abrams, and maybe even M829A3
i feel like it has come to the point where we can make a compilation of clips where he says "this was supposed to be a jump cut"
"..Is in the BELIEF that the hull armor has NOT been reinforced.."
i love the abrams hull down its probably my favourite way to play it because it means i dont die to one shit infact i rarely ever die XD
Adding all these real life Abrams and them getting 1 shot in the game is literally Gaijin poking fun at American tanks
Tbh even if its a passing glance. Its still nice to hear CCs talk about cheaters.
I wish the snail could model how the Type 10 works with it's cool quirk
10:25 Hes right, FLIR can look straight through things like fog, blizzards, rain, etc.
Also smoke, but tank smoke grenades are like super dense or whatever, im not a scientist but theyre made to disrupt thermals
Reload buff was an attempt by gaijin to shut up American mains about armor and spall liners. A poor attempt. I haven't actively played America in 2 years and I can't be bothered because how squishy the Abrams are and the lack luster vehicles at rank 7/8. Only vehicles I actually enjoy is the ADATS and the Stryker. Probably the IPM1. America top tier is boring and not fun. Japan, France, and my absolute favorite nation, swedish, are way funnier. Swedes have variety and really fun tanks at top tier, France is more tanky and generally more mobile, and Japan is very mobile with insane reload. Russia is Russian bias and that's still more fun despite the Russian bias crutch.
People still are dying on the hill that there's no blatant Russian bias in this game lol
I know how it feels when you asking” where’s my team ?” It happens to me all the time when I’m playing with US team
"OHHHHH BALLLS! oh balls?" -
JustinPlays 2023
Looking forward to your VT-4A1 gameplay
It’s just sad how bad the snail shits on the abrams. They could’ve added du armor inserts as a upgrade instead of the new sep. And the whole spall liner being put in center tanks is probably the worst thing the snail has done as far as bias goes.
Gaijin has no idea how Chobham armor works and seems to have no interest in modeling it.
out of the 3 countries I have in top tier USA definitely feels the hardest to get wins on IMO
the 4k with f 15 was amazing how can i be so good like you hmmmm greetings from germany
"..........Huh?" I had the same reaction 😂
11 months later is still like that. Most users don't know what they're doing. Gaijin prohibited me from cussing out teammates. The tanks are really good, it's the players that don't learn the tanks.
I think map size is a huge problem, no tank is designed to take fin rounds point blank. Max br maps should be red desert size or larger
Justin. I remember at some point you had sent Gaijin an 8 page document regarding all the information you had managed to dig up in your research on the HSTV-L. Did you ever make that document public. I would love to read it.
Obviously the M1s deserve proper armor, and yes this reload buff is an excuse not to give them their proper armor. However, this reload buff is actually a lot bigger deal than people realize, now a top tier cannon with top tier amnunition can fire off 17 rounds with a 5 second reload, which is clearly unmatched by any competitor. Not to mention that the M1 has good turret armor, and excellent mobility, and amazing gun handling. The reload buff will have far more in game impact than increasing the hull and turret armor, as the turret is already immune to everything and the DU hull will still be penetrated by top tier APFSDS.
Germany having a dumb high win rate and abrams being weak af
Justin: “I’m gonna mop the floor against 2 leopards at the same time”
Either top tier leo was soo good
Or current US team are filled with new player/bad german main who get bored and switch tech tree
Feels bad for US team rn
Gaijin did not ban over 40k cheaters. Their official report states only around 10k
I just subscribed yesterday and I used to watch you every day😂
Everyone talking about the static armor needing buffing, but IMO, the worst offender is the ERA
ARAT 1 is said by the manufacturer, to be able to stop 30mm APDS rounds from 500 yards
ARAT 2 is supposed to be able to stop 35mm APFSDS rounds from 500 yards
But gaijin, in their infinite wisdom, gives them a combined Kinetic protection of 30mm
That’s freaking autistic
It should be 100-120mm of kinetic for ARAT 1, and around 150-170mm for ARAT 2
Actually moronic that that’s closer to the chemical protection that Gaijin has given them, even tho ARAT 2 can defend against TOW missiles
But no, they give it less then 1/2 of its actual protection
I think everyone would be fine with a 7 second reload if the tank had the protection it really has
Especially since the T-90M gets insane protection, while the Leo 2A7V and challenger 3 also don’t get squat for armor upgrades