Two major takeaways from this video - First, Being able to restart without the AMR Safety Team means less yellows, which makes for better racing. Second, Hinch is a natural born narrator.
Hinch is so good for Indy. If he’s not with Fox next year I hope Indy themselves ramp up the content and he can take on more of a Will Buxton/Jolyon Palmer role.
Bunching up the field under yellows makes racing more exciting. Love it or hate it, yellows are huge part of why the product is so much more entertaining than anything else on four wheels.
@@riccicrozzie8204The starter motor is bad for these very high performance race cars for multiple reasons. It's mainly because it adds a lot of extra weight that is almost never used. Even a few kilograms more is already a detriment to the handling.
The extra HP is great (but comes at a weight penalty), but being able to re-start after a stall is HUGE!!! This should eliminate countless, painfully long cautions. Thank you IndyCar, Honda, Chevrolet.
@@jamesvoneschen6603 It was a concern of some fans because the F1 regeneration system being based off the turbo and exhaust that made them sound like vacuum cleaners.
Anyone who's seen sportscar racing in the past decade, as well as WRC in the past couple of years, will be able to attest to just how cool hybrid power units in motor racing can be. The acceleration and boost of power on full deploy is really fun to watch, and a blast for the drivers too. And producing so much power, while being more fuel-efficient than ever, is the exact reason hybrids are so important to racing's future - especially when combined with synthetic/e-fuels. If you want internal combustion engines to live on, both on the track and on the road? This is how they'll do it. Very excited for this :)
Oh boy, another techno-nerd. Technology for technology's sake. Overly complex, heavy, serves no purpose and adds nothing to the show. Put the latest NASCAR engines in a modern formula car and that would be a show.
Genuinely, I think Hinch could be the Indycar Martin Brundle. That is no mean feat and I am here for it. And thid hybrid system absolutely slaps. How have indycar managed to get me excited about electricity?
@@danabuch324Fuel savings has been and still is an integral part of any motor racing. Heck, even NASCAR has some fuel saving strategy going on. Sure, going full throttle all the time may make you the fastest but it also means you will also have less distance reached over a single tank of fuel compared to others and you have to pit earlier than others. It also means you will take longer time just to refuel which makes your "advantage" gone.
As long as it still sounds like a race car(which it does) I don’t care what it is. My biggest thing is the starters. Hopefully now cautions will be thrown only when warranted and not held off to ensure everyone pits before it’s thrown. Now cautions should only be thrown for contact which means throw the yellow immediately.
We shall see. I like the reference to 800 HP for the first time in 20 years. 😅 We didn't know how good we had it back then. But in all seriousness indycars should be fast af. I hope this works out.
most excited to see this on ovals - no longer will Indy (fresh baths excluded) be limited to one-lane choo choo trains - everyone behind the leader will be generating hybrid power and waiting for a perfect time to gun it and make a pass
I don't even care about the sustainability part, I'm excited to see Indycars absolutely shatter lap records, already starting to see CART era laptimes on most tracks, and with the added power we may see a time in the near future in comparison to F1's 2026 regulations to a time where Indycar will be the fastest motorsport all around! Looking forwards to that.
Indycar would need to gain about 250 hp to be on par with F1 in terms of pure power and much more aero to be faster on non-ovals, I doubt this will happen.
@@ThatwasJuli Their 2026 regs are going to make the current F1 car laptimes comparable to F2 cars, supposedly, whereas Indycar just gets faster and faster
@@ThatwasJuli Look at the times at Indy, look at the lap records that have been shattered at Laguna Seca, modern day Indycar is starting to surpass CART speeds, as a privateer friendly series, that's impressive.
@JonDoe-ln6nl I know, at the halfway point, it makes no sense. What happens if some of the points leaders' cars start having issues. You'll see a lot of complaints, and it won't end well
@@rap4thahood that is exactly why they delayed the introduction to the halfway point, because at the beginning of the season, when it was supposed to be introduced, it was not reliable enough. But they have to bring it at some point, and now that they feel it is ready, is as good a time as any. There is no point in waiting another half year.
@@rap4thahood Best case scenario: nothing changes. Worst case scenario: it shakes up the points race. Don’t see why this is a bad thing. Plus everyone knew at the start of the season that the hybrid unit was coming mid season so it’s not like this was just thrust on them out of nowhere
I didnt know that the hybrid would allow a driver to get going after a run off etc where alot of the time the car would stall and need the bump start , eliminates needles yellows. LOVE THAT
Are hybrids are gonna be used on ovals? Bcs I think that they will run out of battery fast bcs there is no braking on ovals. Or is it true that they can push the button to manually charge the battery without braking?
Yeah, one scenario that's been brought up is at the Indy 500 if you get a big draft but don't want to pass yet, instead of lifting off the throttle you could charge your ESS, which means you also get to keep your turbos spinning quickly to help you set up a pass for the NEXT corner.
Will be used on ovals and can recharge without braking The drivers behind the leader are already not at 100% throttle all the time, with this instead of lifting they can charge up. Don't remember the exact numbers but I heard a full charge should only take a few seconds since you can dump so much energy into a super capacitor all at once
800 hp, huh? Seems like a lot of cost, weight, and complexity goes into producing those ponies. Or, now hear me out, we build a small displacement (2.5L or less), cheap V8 and strap a couple of turbos to it and make even more hp.
More weight, more cost, more complexity. Invisible to the fans during the race (assuming it works). It's a shame Indycar can't afford to do a new car and/or differentiate bodywork among teams.
Current IC engines have ~620hp and this will add ~60hp (that's what Honda's CEO said), so we end up with 680hp, not 800hp. They love to exaggerate things.
And you don’t listen too well … That 800 hp was quoted in the context of this hybrid unit (60 hp) PLUS the added power of the push-2-pass (60 hp). That still doesn’t come to 800 using your 620 hp figure, which Hinch doesn’t mention here. HP for IndyCar engines is contingent on the boost level, which varies by regulation between 1.3 and 1.5 bar, with P2P system, where utilized, allowing an additional .15 bar boost pressure.
I'm not sure this is the way to go for green engines in the future. Sustainable fuels is a greener solution. I'd prefer an open engine formula but with a stipulation on using sustainable fuels. This would attract more engine manufacturers and more investment in the sport.
As @zedexish said, IndyCar already uses 100% renewable fuel. And as for attracting engine manufacturers? Take a look at the explosion in popularity of GTP/Le Mans Hypercar in recent years. You have an open engine formula, sustainable fuels, *and* hybrid powertrains all combined, and as a result manufacturers are falling over themselves to get involved - including existing IndyCar engine manufacturers Honda and Chevrolet (well, Cadillac - a sister GM brand), alongside giants like Toyota, Ferrari, Peugeot, Lamborghini, Porsche, Alpine, and soon to be Aston Martin and potentially Hyundai if rumours are to be believed. And of course F1 is updating its existing hybrid powertrains for 2026, and bringing in new manufacturers like Audi and Ford in the process too. With road cars moving more and more towards hybrid - especially as an alternative to going fully electric - it makes sense that racing adapts in the same way.
Rather than being leaders, IndyCar has decided to be followers, and copy F1? I think this will be more detrimental to the series future than good. I don't know why people think a "starter" is such a cool and marvel idea? Yes, the safety factor is a good one, but they could have design a starter motor into the package years, and years ago. I don't like the idea of MGU-H.....I want brute power, not finessed power.
I get it, yall are desperate for a new manufacturer but yet again look at nascar there going strong without hybrids " cough" "cough " for now " cough" "cough".
Exactly, here it’s going to be a nightmare. The added complexity for the smaller teams will only make it easier for Penske & Ganassi. The reliability is going to suffer too
It all looks and sounds great ... but soooooo late to the party. The rest of the motorsports world is already considering moving on from hybrid electric to the next phase of sustainability.
There is literally nothing wrong with the chassis. The design is back to being a modernized version of the 90s chassis design which is what people WANTED. It seems like people are trying to create a narrative here.
Toyota used supercapacitors in their 2012-13 TS030 and 2014-15 TS050 before ditching that inferior storage method for lithium-ion. Not very innovative, Indycar.
0:20 "...but in racing no one done it like this". Are you living under a rock? Have you ever heard of Formula 1 or WEC? FYI: Super capacitors have been used by Toyota in Le Mans around 12 years ago. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_TS030_Hybrid) What comes next? A flywheel? 🤔
So basically you didnt develop a new chassis and had to bastardize the car with technology that toyota failed to make work at lemans and instead thought making a none road relevant tech with highly questionable endurance was a better idea than go make the right thing to attract new manufacturers....well and truly the dumbest train of thought i ever saw and am an engineer talking from an engineering and relevance point of view
@@goodshipkaraboudjan an application is as good as its core technology, super capacitors have been replaced by super high recharge and discharge batteries like the ones we see in Mercedes E performance AMG cars and has been developed in F1 and LMP1 era, Toyota tried the technology in its TS030 and TS040 and its failed because yes it yielded high recharge and discharge but lack of longer bursts of energy which means lack of storage capacity and being pretty much the same weight as normal high recharge and discharge batteries meant it was not efficient to use with all the disadvantages of the other system. So yes am an engineer that likes realism in spending time and money on something.
What racing series was running hybrids in the 90's? It took the 2000's and 2010's for hybrids to get sorted out for racing, and all of those are still using heavy battery packs instead of capacitors for storage and deployment.
@@danielhenderson8316 the person you're replying to was talking about raw engine power ... even the video says they're returning to 800HP for the first time in 20 years. I don't know much of the history but apparently the 90s CART vehicles had a significantly more powerful engine than today's cars. 🤷♂
@@goodshipkaraboudjan from the FIA yes they have they have the exclusive right to be the only fully electric series but that obviously doesn’t apply outside the FIA
@@blakecharles4501 They don't own the right to how series are powered, there are other fully electric series, albeit smaller, that aren't FIA sanctioned. Universities racing against each other in EVs etc. There is also a rally series in the US that isn't FIA sanctioned. They don't hold the rights to how other series compete that they don't sanction - Indycar being a good example.
Get ready for tedious practice and quali sessions while drivers trundle around recharging and getting in the way of those on push laps. There's a bigger chance of yellow and red flags during these sessions cause inevitably someone is going to rear end a slower car - hopefully not fatally.
This is kind of like the 2024 Corvette E-Ray. You can travel about 13 miles before the battery goes dead and you are back on gas. I don't know what this will prove except how quickly you can recharge the capacitors. Both of these are a waste of time in racing.
Technology for technology's sake. Overly complex, heavy, serves no purpose and adds nothing to the show. Gee, NASCAR engines already make over 850 hp without all the gimmicks. Remember F5000 was faster than F1. A modern formula car with a NASCAR V8 would mop the racetrack with an Indy car. Always remember and never forget, It's the show stupid.
TF u yapping about the engine didn’t change and the cars still sound the same. Everything added just made it better. You’re getting confused with electric. Good thing you won’t notice when we go racing again since you have terrible reading comprehension.
Two major takeaways from this video - First, Being able to restart without the AMR Safety Team means less yellows, which makes for better racing. Second, Hinch is a natural born narrator.
Unfortunately the hybrid restart resolution won’t matter anyways bcs Sting Ray Robb is in the field so we’ll have endless cautions regardless 💔
Hinch is so good for Indy. If he’s not with Fox next year I hope Indy themselves ramp up the content and he can take on more of a Will Buxton/Jolyon Palmer role.
Bunching up the field under yellows makes racing more exciting. Love it or hate it, yellows are huge part of why the product is so much more entertaining than anything else on four wheels.
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial to an extent sure. Like the yellows at Detroit this year got kind of annoying tbh.
Yes Hinch is great! Hopefully he is in the Fox Indycar broadcast booth next season.
Being able to have the drivers restart the cars will be a god send.
Current ICE tech js trash. Drivers restarting I'm there engine is old tech and shouldn't even need hybrid tech.
If only someone would invent the starter motor.
@@riccicrozzie8204The starter motor is bad for these very high performance race cars for multiple reasons. It's mainly because it adds a lot of extra weight that is almost never used. Even a few kilograms more is already a detriment to the handling.
The extra HP is great (but comes at a weight penalty), but being able to re-start after a stall is HUGE!!! This should eliminate countless, painfully long cautions. Thank you IndyCar, Honda, Chevrolet.
They also reengineered the transmission housing to save some weight.
The added weight is only about 30 kg, so it's not awful. Should be a pretty fun new system.
We desperately need the new chassis and aero regulations to snip the weight a bit.
@@seancca Yeah, changes should be smoother now, less grinding and stalling and reversing should be easier in the rare chance it's necessary.
Best part is it doesn't affect the exhaust sound.
Everything sounds like a 1972 Toyota now anyways.
why would it?
@@jamesvoneschen6603 It was a concern of some fans because the F1 regeneration system being based off the turbo and exhaust that made them sound like vacuum cleaners.
No MGU-H here.
Anyone who's seen sportscar racing in the past decade, as well as WRC in the past couple of years, will be able to attest to just how cool hybrid power units in motor racing can be. The acceleration and boost of power on full deploy is really fun to watch, and a blast for the drivers too. And producing so much power, while being more fuel-efficient than ever, is the exact reason hybrids are so important to racing's future - especially when combined with synthetic/e-fuels. If you want internal combustion engines to live on, both on the track and on the road? This is how they'll do it. Very excited for this :)
Can you tell me who won the last Formula E championship?
Jake Dennis, it was a fun season, went down to the last race. It isn't my favorite category but I liked it. But Hybrids > Electric...
@@jaguatiricaimediata5305 So you are the one. There were rumors that you were real.
Ya the hybrid engines have really taken F1 up a level the cars sound so great compared to before...
Oh boy, another techno-nerd. Technology for technology's sake. Overly complex, heavy, serves no purpose and adds nothing to the show. Put the latest NASCAR engines in a modern formula car and that would be a show.
Genuinely, I think Hinch could be the Indycar Martin Brundle. That is no mean feat and I am here for it.
And thid hybrid system absolutely slaps. How have indycar managed to get me excited about electricity?
Hinch does a great job
The master of fuel saving smiles... You know who i'm talking about 😂
I asked Scott Dixon and he said he didn't know.
Fuel savings should have nothing to do with racing.
@@danabuch324 yeah you are right... I don't like this hybrid Greenpeace nonsense...
@@danabuch324 It does and has for decades now.
@@danabuch324Fuel savings has been and still is an integral part of any motor racing. Heck, even NASCAR has some fuel saving strategy going on.
Sure, going full throttle all the time may make you the fastest but it also means you will also have less distance reached over a single tank of fuel compared to others and you have to pit earlier than others. It also means you will take longer time just to refuel which makes your "advantage" gone.
Can't wait to see these power units in action. Way to go NTT Imdycar!! 👍👍
Man, I sure miss the 2.65 liter turbo V8s!
Drivers can restart? FINALLY
As long as it still sounds like a race car(which it does) I don’t care what it is. My biggest thing is the starters. Hopefully now cautions will be thrown only when warranted and not held off to ensure everyone pits before it’s thrown. Now cautions should only be thrown for contact which means throw the yellow immediately.
We shall see. I like the reference to 800 HP for the first time in 20 years. 😅 We didn't know how good we had it back then. But in all seriousness indycars should be fast af. I hope this works out.
most excited to see this on ovals - no longer will Indy (fresh baths excluded) be limited to one-lane choo choo trains - everyone behind the leader will be generating hybrid power and waiting for a perfect time to gun it and make a pass
I don't even care about the sustainability part, I'm excited to see Indycars absolutely shatter lap records, already starting to see CART era laptimes on most tracks, and with the added power we may see a time in the near future in comparison to F1's 2026 regulations to a time where Indycar will be the fastest motorsport all around! Looking forwards to that.
Yay! Only took 20 f'ing years! And no way they ever eclipse F1. Not happening.
Indycar would need to gain about 250 hp to be on par with F1 in terms of pure power and much more aero to be faster on non-ovals, I doubt this will happen.
@@ThatwasJuli Their 2026 regs are going to make the current F1 car laptimes comparable to F2 cars, supposedly, whereas Indycar just gets faster and faster
@@cookowa3256 "faster and faster" - you mean getting a faster car for the 1st time since 2012?
@@ThatwasJuli Look at the times at Indy, look at the lap records that have been shattered at Laguna Seca, modern day Indycar is starting to surpass CART speeds, as a privateer friendly series, that's impressive.
0:19 Toyota had a super capacitor hybrid in their LMP1 twelve years ago. 😉
welcome to the new era
But 4 cylinder Offy IndyCar engines in 1972 made 1,100HP. Jerry Grant did 245 MPH on the straightaways at OMS, in Calif. I WAS THERE and 14 years old.
it's so funny how being able to start up the car again after a spin is what people are most excited about
spectacular engineering 🙌
Honestly, this car should debut next season. Fresh start on the championship
It was supposed to debut THIS season.
@JonDoe-ln6nl I know, at the halfway point, it makes no sense. What happens if some of the points leaders' cars start having issues. You'll see a lot of complaints, and it won't end well
@@rap4thahood that is exactly why they delayed the introduction to the halfway point, because at the beginning of the season, when it was supposed to be introduced, it was not reliable enough.
But they have to bring it at some point, and now that they feel it is ready, is as good a time as any. There is no point in waiting another half year.
@hannesgroesslinger what about with the points leaders? Why not wait until 2025 and have everyone start off on equal grounds with zero points?
@@rap4thahood Best case scenario: nothing changes. Worst case scenario: it shakes up the points race. Don’t see why this is a bad thing. Plus everyone knew at the start of the season that the hybrid unit was coming mid season so it’s not like this was just thrust on them out of nowhere
If the hybrid brings better fuel efficiency, it could bring some very interesting pit strategies.
Nice work from IndyCar.
Innovation. Several other series already do this.
Só precisa dar uma reduzida no peso, está pesado o conjunto mas é apenas o início
Thanks, Mayor!
Si hay más potencia, me alegro.
I didnt know that the hybrid would allow a driver to get going after a run off etc where alot of the time the car would stall and need the bump start , eliminates needles yellows. LOVE THAT
Awesome thank you!
Very cool!
Nice!
Sounds great 👍👍👍
some numbers would nice like capacity and maybe a comparison to f1
Are hybrids are gonna be used on ovals? Bcs I think that they will run out of battery fast bcs there is no braking on ovals. Or is it true that they can push the button to manually charge the battery without braking?
they can charge without breaking.
@@nothanks3590 cool then. Maybe F1 should try those kind of hybrid engine
Yeah, one scenario that's been brought up is at the Indy 500 if you get a big draft but don't want to pass yet, instead of lifting off the throttle you could charge your ESS, which means you also get to keep your turbos spinning quickly to help you set up a pass for the NEXT corner.
Will be used on ovals and can recharge without braking
The drivers behind the leader are already not at 100% throttle all the time, with this instead of lifting they can charge up. Don't remember the exact numbers but I heard a full charge should only take a few seconds since you can dump so much energy into a super capacitor all at once
@@skojuzija Theres no need in F1 as they dont race on ovals.... F1 have had hybrid engines since the 2014 season
Are they randomly dropping a hybrid power unit in the middle of the season???
It's been delayed for ages already.
@@LittleBigMediaCo yeah but still seems weird to start using it during an ongoing championship
@@frontrowviews honda talked about leaving the series if the hybrids didn't get implemented quickly enough.
not randomly tho
hybrid😮
Sounds like the system developed by Steve Farkley.
The line over 800 hp, first time in 20 years is not as impressive as they think it is😅
Highly, highly skeptical. I just became an Indycar fan this year. Hope it goes well.
Why do this halfway through the season
800 hp, huh? Seems like a lot of cost, weight, and complexity goes into producing those ponies. Or, now hear me out, we build a small displacement (2.5L or less), cheap V8 and strap a couple of turbos to it and make even more hp.
It's 680 hp actually
@@Ariespradana13You missed my point, but then again, you likely never watched CART in the early 90s…..
well...Honda has some experience working with the hybrid system thru F1.....
wait, why are they using supercapacitors?
Lighter.
Mostly because it's a 12 year old chassis at this point, and they couldn't fit a battery into it without extensive redesigns.
Quick energy transfer
They're lighter, smaller and can charge and deploy more energy and faster compared to batteries.
More weight, more cost, more complexity. Invisible to the fans during the race (assuming it works). It's a shame Indycar can't afford to do a new car and/or differentiate bodywork among teams.
Current IC engines have ~620hp and this will add ~60hp (that's what Honda's CEO said), so we end up with 680hp, not 800hp. They love to exaggerate things.
And you don’t listen too well … That 800 hp was quoted in the context of this hybrid unit (60 hp) PLUS the added power of the push-2-pass (60 hp).
That still doesn’t come to 800 using your 620 hp figure, which Hinch doesn’t mention here. HP for IndyCar engines is contingent on the boost level, which varies by regulation between 1.3 and 1.5 bar, with P2P system, where utilized, allowing an additional .15 bar boost pressure.
Honda's BEV IS a GM vehicle, rebranded, ROFL
More hype for a slow spec series.
I'm not sure this is the way to go for green engines in the future. Sustainable fuels is a greener solution.
I'd prefer an open engine formula but with a stipulation on using sustainable fuels.
This would attract more engine manufacturers and more investment in the sport.
Indycar already uses 100% renewable fuel. No new engine manufacturers in sights.
As @zedexish said, IndyCar already uses 100% renewable fuel. And as for attracting engine manufacturers? Take a look at the explosion in popularity of GTP/Le Mans Hypercar in recent years. You have an open engine formula, sustainable fuels, *and* hybrid powertrains all combined, and as a result manufacturers are falling over themselves to get involved - including existing IndyCar engine manufacturers Honda and Chevrolet (well, Cadillac - a sister GM brand), alongside giants like Toyota, Ferrari, Peugeot, Lamborghini, Porsche, Alpine, and soon to be Aston Martin and potentially Hyundai if rumours are to be believed. And of course F1 is updating its existing hybrid powertrains for 2026, and bringing in new manufacturers like Audi and Ford in the process too. With road cars moving more and more towards hybrid - especially as an alternative to going fully electric - it makes sense that racing adapts in the same way.
@@HeyItsAJOmega I don't think this account is even real, just look at the account.
@@HeyItsAJOmega I hope you are right however I am not convinced that the electrical components are recyclable and therefore sustainable.
@@zedexish Has a very specific engine formula.
Apple level 'we've done this first'... haha
What about push to pass?
It will still be available
This IS the new push to pass. 10 fewer horsepower, and much heavier, but the same concept.
Rather than being leaders, IndyCar has decided to be followers, and copy F1? I think this will be more detrimental to the series future than good. I don't know why people think a "starter" is such a cool and marvel idea? Yes, the safety factor is a good one, but they could have design a starter motor into the package years, and years ago. I don't like the idea of MGU-H.....I want brute power, not finessed power.
Bootleg F1 hybrid system 😉. In all seriousness, looking forward to seeing how it'll perform on track
Now the radio comms wil be "My unit broke", "My unit died", "Something wrong with my unit".
Right because reliability has never been an issue in racing before...
Do i understand correctly, you're going to start running a new engine halfway through the season? Why not wait until next season?
Not a new engine
Look at all the positive bot account comments 😂
Wonder how this will work on ovals
Still no answer to this question after months of uncertainty 😕
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial Read MPs mailbag on Racer, he's gone into some depth answering how it will work on ovals.
Instead of lifting on draft they can regenerate and deploy to pass at the following corner.
I get it, yall are desperate for a new manufacturer but yet again look at nascar there going strong without hybrids " cough" "cough " for now " cough" "cough".
Hybrids have been a huge disappointment in F1, not expecting anything else here.
Exactly, here it’s going to be a nightmare. The added complexity for the smaller teams will only make it easier for Penske & Ganassi. The reliability is going to suffer too
If innovation has always been integral to IndyCar why are you still using 12 year old chassis
It all looks and sounds great ... but soooooo late to the party. The rest of the motorsports world is already considering moving on from hybrid electric to the next phase of sustainability.
Other series are late to the party with Indycar in other aspects, 100% sustainable fuel being one.
All #indycar needs is a new chassis. Not this BS
There is literally nothing wrong with the chassis. The design is back to being a modernized version of the 90s chassis design which is what people WANTED. It seems like people are trying to create a narrative here.
Now go kick some a** Team Chevy & Team Penske!
Do they think racing fans are stupid....this is not innovative, its copying what the other major racing series have already been doing for years...
They system itself and the way it works is innovative, as is having two major manufacturers collaborate.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Toyota had this in their Le Mans car 12 years ago.
@@burddog0792 In an entirely different discipline and application.
Toyota used supercapacitors in their 2012-13 TS030 and 2014-15 TS050 before ditching that inferior storage method for lithium-ion. Not very innovative, Indycar.
Lithium Ion is a lot heavier and a LMP1 has a lot different application on track to an Indycar.
What is the point of bringing in such a major change half way through a season?
0:20 "...but in racing no one done it like this". Are you living under a rock? Have you ever heard of Formula 1 or WEC?
FYI: Super capacitors have been used by Toyota in Le Mans around 12 years ago. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_TS030_Hybrid)
What comes next? A flywheel? 🤔
Because endurance racing and an open wheel series are exactly the same thing right?
This is nice but, don't make it all electric
Cut the damned disco tunes …
So basically you didnt develop a new chassis and had to bastardize the car with technology that toyota failed to make work at lemans and instead thought making a none road relevant tech with highly questionable endurance was a better idea than go make the right thing to attract new manufacturers....well and truly the dumbest train of thought i ever saw and am an engineer talking from an engineering and relevance point of view
An engineer that can't recognise engineering progress over a decade in a completely different application?
@@goodshipkaraboudjan an application is as good as its core technology, super capacitors have been replaced by super high recharge and discharge batteries like the ones we see in Mercedes E performance AMG cars and has been developed in F1 and LMP1 era, Toyota tried the technology in its TS030 and TS040 and its failed because yes it yielded high recharge and discharge but lack of longer bursts of energy which means lack of storage capacity and being pretty much the same weight as normal high recharge and discharge batteries meant it was not efficient to use with all the disadvantages of the other system. So yes am an engineer that likes realism in spending time and money on something.
But since it's a spec series, everybody has the same issues (theoretically).
800 HP for a few seconds, with E-boost. So cringe.
Whilst F1 Drops a boat anchor in their engines and uses their v6 just to charge it, Indy car makes the reasonable choice
never done before by toyota about 6 years ago?
Lmao.. restricted for decades and this "innovation" will bring you up to speed, to the 1990s🤣
What racing series was running hybrids in the 90's? It took the 2000's and 2010's for hybrids to get sorted out for racing, and all of those are still using heavy battery packs instead of capacitors for storage and deployment.
@@danielhenderson8316 the person you're replying to was talking about raw engine power ... even the video says they're returning to 800HP for the first time in 20 years. I don't know much of the history but apparently the 90s CART vehicles had a significantly more powerful engine than today's cars. 🤷♂
@@danielhenderson8316 Egg on face moment for you Daniel ...
F1, IMSA, WEC and WRC were all more powerful in the past, what's your point?
F1 did this already stop! Plz stop!
I know one fan doesn’t count for much. But for me when this series goes EV I’m out. (This comment somehow disappeared the first time)
There is zero indication they're going EV. That's Formula E territory.
hasn't formula e reserved the right to be the only fully electric racing series
@@salamipitza No, there is the offroad series and many university series around the world. No one owns the "right" to power sources in motorsport.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan from the FIA yes they have they have the exclusive right to be the only fully electric series but that obviously doesn’t apply outside the FIA
@@blakecharles4501 They don't own the right to how series are powered, there are other fully electric series, albeit smaller, that aren't FIA sanctioned. Universities racing against each other in EVs etc. There is also a rally series in the US that isn't FIA sanctioned. They don't hold the rights to how other series compete that they don't sanction - Indycar being a good example.
Unnecessary
It is necessary to keep both manufacturers involved and interest a third.
Get ready for tedious practice and quali sessions while drivers trundle around recharging and getting in the way of those on push laps. There's a bigger chance of yellow and red flags during these sessions cause inevitably someone is going to rear end a slower car - hopefully not fatally.
This is kind of like the 2024 Corvette E-Ray. You can travel about 13 miles before the battery goes dead and you are back on gas. I don't know what this will prove except how quickly you can recharge the capacitors. Both of these are a waste of time in racing.
But it's politically expedient. Hopefully, at the worst, it's just ballast.
Technology for technology's sake. Overly complex, heavy, serves no purpose and adds nothing to the show. Gee, NASCAR engines already make over 850 hp without all the gimmicks. Remember F5000 was faster than F1. A modern formula car with a NASCAR V8 would mop the racetrack with an Indy car. Always remember and never forget, It's the show stupid.
NASCAR makes 750 hp and is literally full of gimmicks 😂
I hope they make a special series for these cars and not make them the engine of the future. Indy racing will die a slow death if this happens.
What are u talking about. The system adds torque HP and engine restarts.
@@zedexish I will watch it again then.
TF u yapping about the engine didn’t change and the cars still sound the same. Everything added just made it better. You’re getting confused with electric. Good thing you won’t notice when we go racing again since you have terrible reading comprehension.
It's part electric or battery operated. The only advantage I see is the car can be restarted if stalled. And get a little boost.
@@kcbroncohater nope not electric nice try tho the engine is still the same