Ruger LCP II .22lr 5000 Round Review
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- A 5000 round update on my Ruger LCP 2 .22lr semi-automatic pistol. Overall, a great little pistol, but it's main shortcoming is ammo sensitivity. I go into detail on that issue, and describe what has and hasn't worked for me over the past 5500 or so rounds. I also discuss it's viability as a self-defense weapon, and why it may or may not be a wise a choice.
My original 4000 Round review can be found here: • Ruger LCP II .22lr 400...
Enjoyed your video 👍
I have seen more people killed with a .22 rimfire than any other cartridge . The autopsies can be a little difficult trying to locate the bullets, even with the help of the x'rays. Even the .22 shorts work . The high majority were non hollow points.
Just my opinion after 32 years of full time LE .
Thank you, sir!
I've heard the term used many years ago that .22 cal round can be a surgeons nightmare. I believe most sane people would love to avoid any kind of confrontation as possible. Again it's sad when you have someone that has no record with the law wanting to try to be as law biding as possible get raked over the coals for trying to defend themselves.
FBI statistics agree with your assessment. 22lr rounds are responsible for over 52% of all firearm deaths. However, since his video seems to be originally intended to cover the ammo type best used in the Ruger LCP II 22lr, my problem is with the number of misfires, light strikes and feed issues regardless of the ammo. I ran several thousand rounds of the Federal ammo through my Ruger 10/22 rifle and my Heritage revolver with rarely a light strike --- BUT in the LCP, it doesn't like that ammo at all -- and that appears to me to be a firing pin/spring problem.
It kills the most people simply because its the only affordable round. So it's misleading to say what you said.
@@MajorGrandpa I've heard there is a spring upgrade that will take care of a lot of those issues for around $20-30. May be worth a look.
Nice to hear someone who is sane, mature and pragmatic. Rare among gun enthusiasts!
I hated this gun at first. Misfired at least once every magazine. I kept running all different kinds of ammo through it and after about 500 rounds, it ran everything perfectly fine.
How often did you clean it?
@@cra2cra226 I clean it around 500 rounds. It’s still ran great since. Get around 1 light primer strike every 500
I just got it. I've got about 400 rounds in and 5 misfires. I re-cycled all of those rounds and they fired, so not sure if it goes towards the ammo or the pistol. But I'm satisfied with it's performance so far. Good to know it gets better as it breaks in.
By chance did U git 2 try any REmington Viper ammo? TY
@@kipperwhite2976 no I’ve never tried that. So my first day after range I took it home and literally broke the whole gun down. There was brown gunky grease or something they used from factory. Like the guide spring and firing pin looked rusted. I cleaned all that and the whole striker channel and I believe that’s what actually made it function perfect from then on.
One of the best gun reviews i have see. Your logic on 22 use is perfect. Good job!
Thank you, sir!
For me this was a must have gun..I have around 4500 rounds through mine..had a broken firing pin at around 4000..It still was shooting good even with the pin broken.. Ruger sent me a new one for free ..shot all 4500 rounds through the mag that came with the gun.. definitely would buy again..so much fun for the money!
Ruger's customer service is second to none. I had a problem with my LCP Max that I plan to discuss in an upcoming video. They did me right, for sure.
@@johnnyshootsalot like the looks of that and the max9
@@jpdaddy678 I love the LCP Max for every day carrying. It's virtually the same size as the LCP II. If you practice some with it, it's a respectable shooter that can go anywhere with you. I have handled the Max 9, but have not shot it. I suspect it's a lot more enjoyable at the range, and ammo is certainly cheaper.
@@johnnyshootsalot I got a sw bodyguard I like alot.. thankfully ammo is starting to come back down some
The original mag that came with the pistol seem to run well.. but the double pack of spare mags you buy from Ruger have proven to be garbage in my experience
22 is a great option for self defense. It’s cheap to buy, cheap to buy ammo for, cheap to practice with and you will be very accurate with it. No one steps away from a head and heart shot.
Agreed. The follow-up accuracy of a pistol with very light recoil is often overlooked. As is the ultimate concealability of a small gun like the lcp. Yes, there's the lcp and lcp max in 380, but those are far harder to handle and score 4 or 5 shots quickly in a critical location with. Even for experienced shooters.
That’s what John Hinkley used to attempt to kill Pres Regan put 4 men in the hospital didn’t kill anybody, but he tried.
Great down to earth review and commentary. I have .38s, 9mm and .22s and call me crazy but I prefer to carry a .22. There are all kinds of videos that put down the .22 for self defense but I will carry one.
As do I. Lcp2 in .22lr
I plan to pocket carry my LCP 2 as long as it is reliable.
I plan on daily caring sr22
Agree
There is a philosophy which is to use the minimum amount of force necessary to achieve the desired result. I think this also applies to self defense. A .22 will probably achieve the desired result in most situations. The downsides for a .22 I see are reliability and barrier penetration.
This is my every day carry gun here in Florida during the summer. It took me a while to find suitable ammo for it and after spending many hours at the range, CCI Stingers are far and away the best choice for me. Thanks for the video.
I had some problems with the stingers and their oversized brass. But glad you've had good luck with them.
Mine did not and still doesn’t like stingers for some reason. But after installing a spring kit from galloway precision it eats everything else with no problems.
I agree! I have sore hands from martial arts and sports over the years and even my .38 kills my hands. I carry a TX .22 and can hit a quarter from 10 yards and that is all I need. Yes legal folks say .38, .380 or .22 is less likely to look bad in court. I am a retired Teacher and Criminal Justice Specialist and have seen it first hand.
Your explaination of legally defending yourself after you use your weapon in self defense is spot on. One of my instructors at my CPL class was a lawyer and he assured us you will be arrested after the shooting, you may not be charged but will be arrested. Then you will be looked at very close by the prosecutor for anything that can be used against you. A .22 will be easier to prove you did not mean to kill than a .45
My brother is 300 lb 6 ft tall he was shot three times in the leg with a 22 and it dropped him immediately!
I think people are unrealistic about the damage you 22 can do. I also have many different calibers to choose from if I'm in Brown Bear country I'm not grabbing my 22 but in most circumstances I think 22 will deal with the two-legged problem just fine!
I agree 👍
Hands down my favorite gun to tote when I can't get away with my full sized stuff, or to the gym, or as a backup. Also, surprisingly fun to shoot just for the heck of it. lol Good review man, glad to see other folks I know enjoying the LCP II 22.
I have found that Armscor 36 Grain High Velocity Hollow points run great in mine. The Aguila Copper Plated 38 Grain Hollow points run great in it too. The gun I will want to have with me if I have to use it to save my life would be my .357 Magnum. What I will probably have one me at the time will be a 22LR. Shot placement and rapid follow ups are key, and it is really cheap to practice with it and get good at it. You right, I am not law enforcement or Military. I am just a fat dude trying to go about his life, and if things go bad I just want to break contact and get away, and then let the police go find the person.
Agreed 👍
I bought one of these in January 24 and had job related delays getting to the range. Finally, I got a chance to test it in late April. I cleaned and lubed it before going to the range. I shot 150 rounds of CCI mini mag 36gr solid point @ 1235 fps and had 18 light primer strikes, and 2 failure to extract. I then shot 100 rounds of Aguila 40gr solid point 1255 fps. I had 3 fail to extract and 2 light primer strikes. I had already ordered some parts from Galloway and Mcarbo that are supposed to cure whatever problems this pistol has but, I decided to try it stock, right out of the box before installing anything. I contacted Ruger and told them about my issues with the pistol. They said to send it back to them for "evaluation and repair." Turn around was about 7 days. When I got it back, there was no paperwork stating what was done to the pistol, which was disappointing to say the least. I haven't fired it yet.
In my opinion, one shouldn't have to install aftermarket parts to make a gun function properly. Hopefully, mine will function with 100% reliability without the parts... if not, I guess I'll install them. This is my choice for EDC and I'm determined to make it function 100%.
Despite all the ammo specific malfunctioning, this is still my favorite new purchase.
A spring kit offered by galloway precision can fix the pickiness. Put one in mine and it just eats now.
@@frederickjeremy Awesome to hear. I bought a set actually, but I haven't installed them yet. Can't wait until next range day!
I have had a similar experience with the Winchester 22lr ammo. I inherited a 500 round box of Winchester Wildcat from my Dad that was about 20 years old and had 0 issues with it. I bought a new new 100 round box of Winchester with problem after problem. Thanks for the video and keep shooting 👍.
I went through about every kind of bulk and readily available ammo I could get my hands on, and what I found is if you get a good quality round nose 22, with at least 1200 fps, you should have good success. CCI, federal round nose, Aguila all worked well in mine. Flat nose like Winchester did not work, standard velocity did not work…
Even though my lcp is quite ammo sensitive, I still enjoy shooting it. It's become one of my favorites. (I think the light spring has something to do wtih the ftf.) As far as politics is concerned, the center is the only place to be.
Check out the spring kit from galloway precision. It will fix your lite primer strikes and ammo pickiness
From my experience, the wax from the Aguila builds a film along the follower on the magazine and could potentially be the reason for the FTF. Wipe it down and see if that could be the case.
I disassembled all my mags and cleaned them with Maxima suspension cleaner. None had any unusual wax build up, though there was more than usual on the frame from the last range session, but all had more powder residue than I find acceptable. In addition, after further research, it seems that there is a history of these magazines having problems. I am a major Ruger fan, but they have also had some issues with the other LCP mags. However, I am not sure what the point of failure actually is.
Yeah, in my experience, heavily waxed .22 ammo is good for long term conservation but it can cause some problems with semi-auto firearms. Definitely causes the gun to be dirty more quickly.
And most .22 semi-autos need to be well cleaned and lubed yo work well.
And yes, I totally agree on the fact that a reliable good .22 pistol that you can shoot well and quickly can be a good choice for a self defense gun. Better than a 9mm that you absolutely can't shoot well...
I bought an AR7 for my survival backpack. Im wanting this since they share ammo. Been spending too much but this is next up
You are absolutely on point with your opinion on carrying a .22, the law in Michigan will protect you only if you are trying to stop the threat, not blow a hole in someone the size of a baseball. To many gun owners seem to have the attitude that real men only carry .45 caliber hand guns.
Well said, brother. I have a comment on the lethality of 22 LR. When I was in the 6th grade a friend of mine was killed instantly during the Christmas Holidays. He was changing seats in the family car when a 22 discharged. One discharge and he was dead.
That's a harsh reality that we all need to be aware of.
Thanks for your voice of sanity with your commentary on self defense. I feel exactly the same way. I actually walked out of a gun store a couple weeks ago while over hearing one of the employees drone on over all the reasons why the 20 something in front of him "needed" to arm himself with a 10mm. The human body is not the armored fortress some seem to imagine. It is actually quite fragile. Most of us civilians will never actually need to even draw our carry gun... those of us who actually, consistently carry. Most of us will never need to shoot our way out of a "hollywood" scenario, or through a few terrorists wearing Level III body armor. Most at your local gun ranges don't even practice with the same gun or ammo they claim to carry..... let alone at realistic potential self defense distances. From the legal angle, most don't seem to consider the fact that should the need arrise, the idea of the cops showing up, giving you a pat on the back after a few questions and allowing you to go about your life..... is unlikely. Youre going to be grilled up one side and down the other, most likely have your carry gun at least temporarily confiscated for forensics processing and ballistic analysis, and you may need legal counsel and worst case.... may need to defend every single choice you made to include your type of ammo you decided to load into your carry gun in front of a likely to be ignorant jury.
Your average non gun friendly person is more likely to see a pistol like this and it's small, less intimidating ammo as a more relatable choice... especially in a legal defense scenario, than they would a larger "tactical" branded and looking gun.... and some of the defense branded ammo on the market.
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately, managing the aftereffects of having to defend oneself is a major concern in today's America. No doubt, the .22lr isn't the most effective round at putting away a threat entirely, but if you look at the statistics, and use some common sense, you're not likely to need anything else in an urban encounter. And I can only imagine what kind of legal gymnastics you'd have to do to justify a shooting with a 10mm or 44mag. Now, if I'm in the woods and I'm also worried about animals, I'm packing something with a lot more killing force.
Am on my second one. Sold first one to my brother, as he shot it and basically wouldn’t give it back. Current one I own, I have shot 450 rounds of Federal AutoMatch only. I had two duds that wouldn’t fire even after turning them and a retry. They wouldn’t shoot in my Glock 44 either. Each dud had 4 good primar strikes. Note, I keep it very clean, pristine, as it gets dirty after round 50-75 rounds. I pay special attention to the extractor and feed ramp. Also, extractor seems too weak, so before I shot it replaced the extractor with Galloway extractor spring, not the full kit. I’ve had very good luck with these guns, amazingly so. I have never had a failure in the first 50 rounds on either gun. My duds on my current gun popped up at around 100 rounds. They seem to like HV round nosed ammo, preferably copper.
Awesome! 👍
Tell him to give it back wtf ?😅
Just picked one of these up, so thanks for the ammo suggestions. I can’t wait to get some range time with it.
I'm a big fan of Aguila in the two Taurus TX22'S that my wife and I own. Thanks for all the videos on the Ruger, I am probably going to add one to my collection.
Literally, can't go wrong with Ruger. They don't necessarily make my favorite guns of all time, and many of their firearms are relatively expensive, but I know they will take care of any issues with their products in the most professional way possible. And that's rare these days...
I appreciate your comments,
Amen on the 22 for self defense. I have been saying that for years. The needs of a civilian and the needs of military and police are much different. Your self defense and pursuit of bad people is much different. My theory has always been that a 22 in a crowded room is much better than say a 357. Not that having a 357 is bad, it is just that you are responsible for all of the rounds you send down range. 22's are more dependent on shot placement if you know what I mean. And 22's stay in the intended target. My intension is to stop the threat, death is not always necessary to meet that goal.
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LCP 2 22lr and LCP Max 380 is all you need.
They are both very good performers and easy to carry. 👍
They just put through the ban on magazine capacity of over 10 as of July here in WA State. I needed a new gun to pocket carry as my work has changed out attire and I would print pretty heavily with my Shield and M&P 2.0c. I ended up having to choose between the LCP II 22lr or the S&W Bodyguard .380... due to the trigger of the boudyguard and the idea of a snappy small gun I chose the LCP. I hope it was a good choice. Also I impulse purchased a Glock 19 Gen 5.
I picked up CCI Standard rounds, Mini Mags, Stingers and Velocitors. Hopefully one of those rounds will be reliable enough to carry.
For me, mini mags and Velocitors have been pretty solid. Try the Aguila 38 grain hollow points too. (But mine DOES have mini mags in it right now...)
I agree...the .22 will serve well...but if you are worried about the aftermath of legitimately protecting yourself...you don't need to be carrying. The reason to carry is to PROTECT yourself...regardless of what happens afterward.
Lol that would be a wonderful world to live in. Unfortunately, we do not.
VERY GOOD VIDEO SIR! I AGREE 110 PERCENT! I LOVE MY LCP II 22 LR! 6400 ROUNDS THROUGH MINE AND ONLY A FEW MISFIRES THAT WERE BULK CHEAP (WINCHESTER) AMMO RELATED AND ZERO OF ANY OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THE GUN! 👍
I have several thousand rounds through mine. Mine really likes Aguila ammo. I have discovered that it does produce a thick build up on the interior of the foreword part of the slide rails. I am always careful to clean it thoroughly.
I also recently had some FTF issues, and it looked like the follower of one of my mags was out of alignment. Replaced the mag and problem solved.
I'll be doing a 7500 round update soon, and testing mag related failures is on the agenda.
First time viewer. I dig your commentary, honesty and common sense approach man, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Mine is opposite everything I hear about the pistol. Mine loves Thunderbolt and cheap bulk box. It loves Aguila and CCI blazer.
It doesn't like stingers, punch or other high velocity round. I'm am just shy of 4000 rounds
The Stingers are actually a very strange .22lr round due to the extended length of the case. Their cases are about 2mm longer than any other .22 round I have, and that's probably causing the ejection hang-ups that most of us experience with them in this particular gun. I assume it's due to an increased powder load that CCI uses to get the higher velocity from them. I have several other .22 pistols and rifles that run them without any problems, and I like the round, overall. I have also had good results with the Remington T-bolts, but had several dead rounds out of the 150 Blazers I shot.
I agree on the effectiveness of a 22. If you put a couple of 22s into the chest of a human or a large dog the danger level should improve.
There is a spring kit being sold that I got last year that improved reliability in mine a ton. So far I have shot 240 Remington Thunderbolt bulk ammo (500) without a single failure. 240 for 240!
A spring kit for what - the gun or the mag? Where is it available?
tell us where you got it!
Yes, from Galloway Precision 'Sigurd spring kit', it drastically improved mine as well. Just look it up by model.
I ordered this kit up from Galloway. Interested in seeing if it changes much.
I second this. Look like im late to the party
Re: your comments at about 8:45 min. mark. I believe in situational awareness, deterence and disengagement. The wild west quick draw shootout Bonanza thing is pushed too much. People need more training than target ranges where they are not on the receiving end. Paper target, bottles and gongs are not shooting back. So, people need some type of shoothouse training with shoot / don't shoot choices. Perhaps you could do a shoothouse video, or a simulation of the Quantico range, so people have a more realistic idea of why you conceal carry and what to do when it is needed. Thnx for your vids, will check out your music. I am just an old guy who has a slightly different way of looking at things.
There's a time and place for everything, but in America in 2023, if you want to shoot first and ask questions later, you're most likely going to jail. Now, in competition scenarios, the quick draw bonanza is right at home.
I had a problem with Aguila super extra 40 grain, as well as CCI velocitors. They would make my slide lock back with rounds still in the magazine. I even took it apart and bent the slide stop spring so that it wouldn’t lock back on an empty mag, and it still locked back when firing those. So, I completely removed the slide stop lever, but kept the spring in because it holds the take down pin in place. Now it works flawlessly. It doesn’t lock back when empty of course. The ejector is part of the slide stop lever (and might be the reason for premature lock-back), but the empties still eject fine without it. Also, I have the Galloway spring kit in it. Before I put in the stronger hammer spring, I got a lot of light strikes. Now there are none. The little gun has a bunch of design flaws, but I think of it as a project gun.
slide back lock is the only real issue i have as well. how did you remove the slide stop lever? I also got the galloway spring kit in and it did cure a lot of the other issues so just the slide lock back thing is what I'm trying to fix.
@@oldtwinsna8347 I know it’s been a while, so you may have figured it out, but you need to take the frame out of the grip. It can be a pain, but there are vids on here that explain it much better than I can here.
I owen LCP 22 as well I found that Remington was the Best for me
I've had pretty good luck with Thunderbolt 40g.
I have one magazine - the original mag had issues with failure to feed. 4 other mags - no issues.
I made some adjustments to the mag I was experiencing problems with and it seemed to make a difference. Bending the upper tabs to exactly match the other mags I had, and taking a commenter's advice and stretching the spring a little appears to have done the trick. I haven't had a malfunction with that mag since.
Liked your vibe from the first video I saw. Great stuff, man. I hope we can all come together and focus on the real problems. You are part of my research for my first self protection gun purchase. I am 65 and would like to protect myself, my wife, and the innocent if necessary and I don’t have the physical capacity to do what I used to. STILL…trying to decide between semi-auto and wheel. And now, as you might expect, I really think .22 makes sense. Now I need to decide if wheel or semi.
If budget is not a primary concern, (in other words, if you can afford $700+) get the Ruger LCR .22 revolver. Hands down. It's a really high quality piece that is nearly infallible, has 8 round capacity, and is a Ruger... It's expensive, but it's also well worth it. If you don't have years of experience shooting, a malfunction with a semiautomatic pistol is not the easiest thing to handle in a stressful situation. But the revolver can just roll on over to the next round. The biggest drawback to the .22lr is that occasionally you get one that just doesn't go off. A wheel gun more or less solves that problem. And thanks for watching and commenting! I greatly appreciate it.
@@johnnyshootsalot and. Really appreciate your advice on this, thanks!
Mine didn't like Norma after about 80 rounds. It has a gummy lubricant material on it and it gummed up the pistol and mags. And it absolutely hated Aguila super extra. With 30-40% malfunction rate locking back mag before empty and stove pipes. It ran Remington thunderbolts 100% and cci standard velocity 100%.
I wasn't a fan of the norma .22lr rounds either.
Our's likes the thunderbolts, too...those and 36gr mini-mags been the most reliable...but if we carry .22 it is always a revolver, never our lcp ll...we simply don't trust it 101%...
Great review, and as far as everything else well said brother.
Thank you, sir.
Dude... I thought that I was the only reasonable, normal human being that reviewed firearms and EDC gear... I am humbled by you bro 👊 this is what I aspire my channel to be
You should explore installing a spring replacement kit from Galloway Precision.
I'll look into that
Just started watching your reviews. I like your style. Sort of laid back and you make sense with what you say. Style of music in the videos is my kind of music. SUBSCRIBED
Awesome! Thank you! I've got several more in the works.
I agree with down gunning I used to carry larger pistols when I was younger now I stick to smaller pistols and be more aware of my surroundings either a J frame or a glock 43 but I have been looking into a LCP max in 380 or a lcp 22
Thanks for sharing so much info on this gun. I recently got one and love it.
I have to agree... the worst 22 ammo I've used is Winchester. That wide hollow point is awful, they are also inconsistent with the powder charge and priming. I only use them now in a chiappa single shot, as it will not cycle or eject in anything reliably.
Great video. I would never say a 22 lr is perfect or optimal but I damn sure don’t want to be shot with one and I’m pretty sure no one else does either. The late great Jeff Quinn said that most folks say that a 22 won’t get the job done and isn’t enough to hurt anybody but there’s a lot of dead folks that’ll tell ya different !! That’s not exact but pretty close. I miss ole Jeff’s wisdom and his videos and I’m sure he would have liked this one.
Yea, I've heard a lot of different stats and takes. But no doubt, a .22 is a useful tool if used correctly.
Love your tech mat on your work bench!! Glock Perfection..👍💪
2, being my favorite number, i wish you a 02/22/2022 😇 Wholesome and informative 😁
Really like my LCP2. Also got a Kahr P380 which is also good but hard to rack.
I polished the little sight windows on my magazine, the edges on the sight windows were sharp. I used 600 gritt emery cloth and smoothed the edges. My thought was that the sharp edges were causing drag on the rim of the 22 cases.
Federal automatic works the best in my .22 lever action Henry. It's very low power, therefore it is terrible for semi automatic. Golden Remington works fairly well since it's a little hotter but can be somewhat inconsistent. CCI's are usually the best all around for reliability and price for semi autos. Bolt action, lever action, or revolvers you can get away with anything.
I have had my LCP II 22lr for about a little over a year, fired about 250-300 CCI mini mags through it and it broke. I couldn't pull the trigger., it was like it never reset. Sent it back to Ruger, got it back in less than ten days. They said the trigger bar was replaced. I fired it yesterday (total rounds since I got it back was about 250 -300) and, IT BROKE AGAIN. Same issue, trigger felt like it never reset. Anyone else have these issues? I think Ruger is more intent on getting guns out the door rather than making quality guns. It wasn't like this when Bill Ruger was alive.
I love my lcp2 in 22 lr. So much in fact I bought a second one lol. I own some Kahr arms pistols, other Ruger pistols, Glock pistols and H&K pistols. I absolutely love this little gun. Btw I shot 300 rounds of the Winchester super X anniversary edition and has maybe one or two rounds not go bang it off my lcp2
That is literally the only positive report I've heard about the Winchester ammo. Was it new production or a stash from yesteryear?
@@johnnyshootsalot yea i thought It was strange to. According to the lot number it was made in December of last year and I bought it in January of this year. But the bulk box of 300 ran like a charm through my LCP2.
Curious how you feel about these 2 things on a Kahr that I found off putting. I still don’t know what I’ll get but thinking a 22lr S&W J Frame and an LCP II 22lr. The Kahr CW380 spring was so tight the gun store clerk (6ft 2in, 250 lbs) visibly struggled a bit to pull it back. Then the female clerk 5ft 3in about 150 lbs could hardly get it pulled back without changing hand positions from normal racking she uses. Plus the stippling on the front of the grip was way aggressive and felt like on such a small weapon it would tear up my hands. Wondering what your thoughts are as a Kahr owner? Thanks!
You put 11 .22 rounds into the biggest tuff guy out there and they will either break contact with you or you will be able to beat the snot out of them with that empty pistol if they don’t. With that, I always have my .22lr Beretta in a pocket when at home or as a backup when I have a larger caliber gun on me.
Agreed. Or, even more likely, they will simply drop dead where they stand. I think a lot of the folks with the Rambo fetishes disregard how easy it is to put a whole handful of these .22's on the mark very quickly. I'm fast with a .44 mag and my 1911, but can put 20 rounds out of this LCP on a 6 inch plate at 10y in a matter of seconds.
I like my DeStanis SuperFly pocket holster.
If that gun is malfunctioning whether it be because the actual firearm or because poor quality ammo(mainly because it’s rimfire)then it is a gun you should NOT carry with you for protection. Just get the 380, same size and 380 is centerfire and will shoot.
Every gun malfunctions at some point. Even the best rated, military and police adopted, firearms have failure rates. There is no machine man has ever built that runs perfectly forever. .380 is also not the most reliable centerfire cartridge, and is hard to control in a gun the size of the lcp for a lot of people. Everything is a trade off. Realistically, if your main concern is only functional reliability, it would be extremely hard to argue against only carrying revolvers. And in that case, there are many in .22 calibers that carry 9+ in their cylinder.
Lol..just bought one I have 20 rounds through it.. ha ha .. just wanted to see if it cycled.. but I am happy.. no issues and hitting a steel 9 inch plate at about 100ft straight out of the box.. way beyond self defense range in court
Norma, Tac 40 Cheap and great. Thanks for the video.
That ammo didn't work for me at all in the lcp. But I do like norma stuff in general.
Police officers and military run towards gunfire. Civilians try to get away from danger. In civilian hands the defensive firearms purpose is to break contact. To help you get away from the dangerous situation. A reliable 22 will probably be adequate for that purpose.
Also. Same thing another RUclips channel said. Has 3 mags started having problems marked the mag and even his wife told him the same thing just that one mag with any ammo.
Check out my recent 7000 round update
i like the lcp 22lr and the taurus tx 22 but like you i carry the lcp max because for me its as large a gun as i feel comfortable to carry,also i use underwood 380 68 +p ammo[also have a faulty lcp2 mag] good vid
Thanks, William!
I've been having alot of problems with the Ruger LCP 22LR replacement mags. The replacement mags do not push the top round all the way up flush against the feed lips.. the tip of the bullet comes up correctly, but the back of the casing tends to stick and sink down a hair. This allows the bolt to ride over the top of the round and dent the casing. If and when it actually strips the sunken round, the round tends to point left or right of the chamber causing it to miss the hole. This can be attributed to the loose and sloppy feed lips that don't assist in guiding the round straight forward
I know some girls with loose and floppy feed lips....
Yes Aguila ammo work good in the Ruger lcp2 22lr.
Which águila ammo and how many Grains
@@joeyc1866 Aguila super extra hollow point 38 grain, i picked up 500 round box for $35.
You mentioned that you don't think using the LCP2 22lr as a training firearm, and then carrying a larger caliber. I understand your viewpoint, but you could still work on the basics like drawing, holstering, or or other techniques to get the muscle memory down. Then you can work on recoil management later.
Please run an extended test using the Federal .22LR Punch. I just bought a Ruger LCP II .22LR and it was suggested to use this ammo. I’ve heard that it is exceptionally reliable. And my little experience with it seams to bare that out. But, I’d like to hear from some one who has the ability to run 1000+ rounds through it. Thanks!
I am currently in the process of doing just that. Those rounds were hard to come by for a while, but I got a few hundred not too long ago.
Im a little over 500 in, no failures to fire, or eject. One failure to feed, think that was a fluke one time thing. I do have a spring kit in mine from galloway precision. Happy plinking!
In my opinion Aguila is trash. Too many FTF and FTE in my .22 pistols. Try CCI mini mags, Federal Punch or CCI “Stangers.” Those work well in my .22 pistols.
Also great for protection against dangerest animals.
I think I would opt for a larger caliber if I was concerned with animals. In 2022 you don't necessarily want to kill PEOPLE with your defensive firearm due to all those laws and regulations and such. We aren't fighting a war, we're just trying to get home. But a bear is another story, and if I need to blow a 6" hole out his ass to keep him from ripping my arms off and eating me alive, I'm kewl with that and my .44mag will do just that.
A civilian needs a self defense gun to get away from their assailant. It's simply a get off me gun. In that role a dependable .22 should be adequate.
Nice to see someone with a non-polarized common sense political view especially regarding guns. I bail on a lot of gun reviews immediately when I get a strong political slant in it. I'm so tired of it.
Agreed. And thanks!
I have one of these little gems too. 3000 rounds to date, with a total of 10 documented fails, according to my range report that I roll up into an Excel spreadsheet. I’m very happy with that. Question, have you noticed the guide rod and spring walking over the slot where they fit on the frame insert? Mine has some wear, not much. I dab it with Slide Glide. Plus, I keep this gun very clean and oiled. One person has reported the wear issue here on RUclips - but he had over 6000 rounds on his. Just curious.
10 total failures is very good! 👏 I have not experienced that guide rod issue with mine. I have a couple of spots on the slide showing some minor wear, but not in that area. I have almost 7000 rounds through this one now, and will be doing another update soon at 7500 showing a detailed view of the innards and a report on the Galloway spring kit I recently installed. (But my damn motherboard died and I have had to completely build a new PC... I have several new videos ready to edit and upload, though.)
@@johnnyshootsalot Thanks for the quick response. I purchased the spring kit too, so far only installing the stronger extractor spring. Makes a difference. After installation, shot 150 rounds, no fails, with Aguila - same ammo you shoot. Best of luck with that motherboard.
Do you still have the factory extractor in the gun? My 10/22’s, pc carbine and 22/45 lite ALL run MUCH more reliably with improved after market extractors installed on a variety of ammo types. Ruger is notorious for poor quality control on the stamped extractors.
Ugh, just bought some super x. Figured the velocity would help it run better.
I had high expectations as well...
Interested in more updates on this.22. Subbed 👍😃✌️🇺🇸
Thanks for the sub! I've got more updates coming. I put 250 more rounds through it today, actually. And I also have installed the Galloway spring kit, and I'll be discussing the pros and cons of that soon.
Try polishing the sharp edges on the magazine including the windows to reduce drag from sharp edges.??
This LCP 2 is a good dog gone shooter.It loves bucket of rem bulk ammo.Im gonna try the Aguila because I I like the Aguila in my rifle but haven’t tried any in this lcp yet.out of a whole bucket of bullets I only had one bad round and it was out of the rifle where it didn’t shoot.Thats not bad outta 1400 rounds.Anyhow great video and I love the lcp 2, I got a cool looking leather made holster on eBay for it.
I had good success with the bucket 'o bullets as well. Aguila 38g hollow points have been the most consistent for me.
@@johnnyshootsalot I like those super hollows too.I love the smell of Aguila gunsmoke inthe morning lol
Great review! What cleaner and oil do you use to keep it going? Thanks
Thank you! I use ballistol to clean and lube the barrel and Lucas oil extreme duty gun oil for the slide rails. The only thing I do that may be unusual is I have one of the Wilson tools for cleaning slide rails that I use every time I clean. And I clean it pretty well every single time I shoot.
Mini mags work the most consistently in my lcp
I've had good results with the mini mags as well.
I have this same pistol, out of the box it was a little ammo picky. Installed a spring kit from galloway precision and have not found an ammo it wont gladly eat since short of the ones that like you have run into that had no priner and would not have fired in any gun.
Had to put my original comment midway through your video before i watched it all. I agree with alot of what you say, we need more people with your mentality before we eat ourselves as a country. Hope this makes it to you cause it sounds like you only had one issue with the pistol. That spring kit fixed mine. I discovered aguila while figuring out what this pistol liked. Have since moved them closer to my favorite being the golden bullets have been unobtainable for reasonable prices during the madness known as the 2020’s thus far. Happy plinking!!!!
Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
If u shoot agila 40 grain round nose .22LR SPRAY a little automotive degreaser on rag and wipe bullet. U will not get jamming. This gets rid of the wax. Thanks
Can you take off the base plate on the mag which you think is troublesome? Is so do that and clean the interior of the mag, stretch the spring a little and clean the follower. Additionally take a look at the ears on the mag and make sure they aren't bent. FTF most of the time its the mags. Good video
Yes. I did that as soon as I had finished shooting this video. Inside of the mag wasn't too dirty, but I have had some issues with a variety of Ruger mags the last couple of years. Stretching the spring is a good idea, tho
Thanks man.
Thanks for watching!
I sure liked this one. The most right thing is the Winchester Super X being the box of failures, not to mention its just about the most expensive box of bulk ammo you can buy and I'm hardly interested in buying it at all at this point. At over 40 bucks a box of 300 it'll stay until the bs gets itself straight. Thanks for the video, looking forward to more 22lr stuff you got.
Yep. That Winchester .22lr ammo is garbage.
well said my friend i say the same things to people
Good common sense review. I carry one for the very reasons you described.
Has anyone come out with a method to remove that safety lever? If not, do you think it could be filed down?
Good talk, man!
Thanks!
I have one and I’ve installed a belt clip on the side of it so I can clip it on to everything including basketball shorts and and swim trunks 😆
Which clip did you use on your LCP? This seems like a great way to carry it.
You make some great points. I could argue with a few of them, but I also would have no trouble carrying a 22LR for self defense under certain circumstances. I've got more trigger time on my Beretta 21A Bobcat than on my LCP II 22LR. The Beretta is a bit envious of the three round advantage that the LCP has. There are features on the Beretta that I just like better. They are simply due to my past firearms experience and are by no means objective criteria. It is actually very difficult to get objective metrics for defensive shootings. Statistics are widely available. Reliable ones are not.
You spoke about the 22LR being used as a trainer. I simultaneously agree and disagree with what you said. If the trainer has the same manual of arms, it is more viable. I have a 22LR conversion kit for my Beretta 92A1. That gets me about as close as you can get. But there are some differences. I'm also looking to pick up a S&W 43C & S&W M&P340, hopefully this week. They should be even closer. Obviously the recoil will be different. And recoil management is most definitely a very important thing. I think the way to practice in the training model is you run your trainer for the basics of marksmanship. Then you switch to your actual carry gun to make sure you are properly managing the recoil. Obviously choose a carry ammo that you can do that with.
All that said, there is really nothing better than training with the exact firearm and ammunition you carry. 22LR is still the cheapest out there and it is most certainly capable of forcing a break in contact with a bad guy.
As far as training goes, I think, for the majority of shooters, managing recoil is the greatest obstacle in a defensive pistol learning curve. Most folks don't have the accuracy and wherewithal to put a single shot in the exact right place when it counts. Due to that, and this is only my opinion, follow-up shots, and putting 3-5 bullets on a broader target in a second or two is a paramount concern. I don't know of any training philosophies that focus on practicing for a single head-shot. Most seem to be telling us how to put several rounds in a general area quickly. With that in mind, if you practice a lot with a .22lr and then all of a sudden have a compact 9mm or tiny .380 and need to put 5 rounds in an 8" plate from any distance, shots 2-3-4-5 are likely to be increasingly less accurate.
@@johnnyshootsalot You're not wrong. The recoil from small, lightweight guns shooting powerful calibers can be a wake up call. My thought process is that trigger control is quite important and might be learned and maintained better without the nasty slap at the end. I could be wrong of course. Another factor in my thinking is that 22LR is a lot cheaper than the other calibers currently. I'm not advocating for an immediate attempt at a headshot. I am advocating quality trigger time.
@@Fudmottin I agree with all of that
Great video
Thanks!
I shot my wife's lp2 this weekend and almost every other round was a misfire or failure to feed, while using the Winchester 22lr
The new Winchester ammo is garbage.
Winchester SuperX is terrible! I've had trouble with every semi-auto rifle or pistol I've tried them in. I wish Winchester would WAKE-UP!
One of the funniest guns I have ever shot at the range
No doubt 👍
I jus got a box of aguilas too an they had a shitload of waxy coating on em too , had failure to feed , failure to fires , gonna wipe em down sometime an see wut happens .
I've had the odd box of Aguila here and there that were just sloppy coated with wax too. And with this gun, it's not helpful. I imagine with a bolt action or something it would not pose any problem, but the LCP 2 is a sensitive animal.
An assailant with a couple of tiny little holes in their lungs may very well decide they should leave you alone and seek medical help. 22s are super cheap to practice with which is highly recommended.