You’re reviews are so refreshing! Additionally as a developer using Linux for all my work having you test at least basic Linux capabilities on the laptops you review is huge. Thank you. Glad I stumbled onto your channel.
but are you satisfied with th keyboard ? Is it also so slick as in T490 ? And what about half-size arrow keys - I cannot stand using them on my T490. If they don't restore it to full size, I will switch all units back to Dells in my company.
My ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 1 (yes Gen 1) from 2012 is still showing no signs of giving up ghost (recently replaced cooling fan and upgraded SSD). I don't do video editing or gaming so it serves me just fine. Every year I say "Maybe this is the year... " but the thing just won't die Lol. I may still retire it at some point and use it as a music and media server. I have my eye on the new Yoga Titanium and Gen6 X1 Yoga!
Yes but I saw other reviewers saying amd zen 2 architecture is still relevant and showing benchmarks that it actually beat the tiger lake but lost only in graphics test I really want to see what josh thinks about the laptop
Maybe because the 4k panel supports more brightness it was consuming less power at equal brightness. Also, the latest processors are so powerful that they can render 4k content without consuming much more compared to fullHD. It would be interesting to see if this is the case with AMD cpus as well.
The problem with this review is that the power consumption for office work / programming on the UHD+ must be much higher due to tiger lake being very inefficient in that field vs FHD. I tested around quite a lot on a LG Gram 16 with the 1165g7, and while watching video the resolution practically doesn't matter. However for surfing, typing in notepad++ or microsoft office if I decrease the resolution from 2560x1600 to 1280x800 I get about 30% higher battery life. I do believe that IGZO panels don't matter about resolution anymore for power consumption, in many cases higher resolution panels even consuming less, because they have a much higher budget to produce them as they sell for a premium. And tiger lake is really efficient on video playback, plus resolution then kinda depends on the video only, not on the screen it's played back fullscreen. Actually it's clearly now the CPU that is burning through your battery. NVME with HIPM/DIPM activated, the display panel and so on are really efficient. The lg gram 16" idles at 1.8w with usably low screen brightness. it only goes up to around 4.3w on max luminance. So I guess the display panel uses about 0.5w to 3w per hour depending on brightness. However while surfing or productivity work I get 6-7 watt power consumption at low brightness. Hence for seemingly easy tasks the CPU will consume a lot of power. Actually Kaby Lake R and Comet Lake were much better in this regard. Ice Lake a disaster and tiger lake just improved on Ice lake. I feel for intel we need to wait for Alder lake to get good actual battery life outside of watching videos. So the lg gram caneasily playback video in edge via wifi for 20-25 hours with good brightness if the videos are long enough - because as soon as you leave fullscreen and scroll around or watch many short clips it consumes more power (around 250 I guess, 80%) thanks to the efficient screen. But for work I only get about 12-14 hours. And well that is with that big 80wh battery. Apple M1 shows that office work or watching video is no difference. Same for smartphones. Intel needs to catch up here. and they announced so for Alder lake. Those numbers are with optimized windows meaning services not needed disabled, throttlestop optimizing and so on... Oh yeah and I would guess i5 needs maybe 5-10% less power than i7. So I will exchange my lg gram with i7 to an lg gram with i5 processor (my lg gram came with defective hardware - so I have to exchange anyhow so I will just return and reorder with i5).
@@JustJoshTech Good review. I was actually looking at this laptop as a dev machine. How feasible is it for that with the i7 and 32 GB of RAM (backend java dev, enterprise apps, docker, microservices etc). I really want a Ryzen, and I found the one you recommended, the Yoga Slim 7 Pro with a Ryzen 5900HX, but with 16 GB of RAM soldered, and I feel that is not enough as a dev machine. How would you think these 2 would compare, and how would the X1 Carbon Gen 9 hold up as main dev machine. Pretty hard to decide, with flaws on all sides
Because of this guy i bought idea pad 5 with Amd ryzen 7 4700U , thank you so much for the reviews , only downside is the display tho but its still good
Constructive criticism Josh your chanel is growing and I've been here for a while. I'd love to see more text on screen that helps the person stay engaged You can see why that also helps in crowd retention as well if u do some searches here and there You might as well even watch how LTT does their text edits. And also would love if u change the way you organize your tests for the viewer and present them Some times more information is less
Also my comment regarding the scores presentation isn't mainly for this video, it's for others (this one is fairly simple with two variables most of the time
Hey Josh - Two things want to know : a. Thinkpad or Dell Precision (Especially Built Quality) b. i7-1185g7 vs i7-10870h (All for non gaming purpose, basically Heavy Excels / Visualization Tools etc)
great review. I wish X1 Carbon gen 9 had 2560x1600 as a happy medium. X1 extreme has a 2560x1600 display. its perfect. 1600p would be perfect for a 14 inch panel size too.
Thanks for this one. Just reminded me to go back to my HP ZBook 14U G6 and 15U G6, all components equal except the display (FHD vs 4K) and battery (50 Whr vs 56 Whr).
A discussion whose time has come, thank you for this. Hopefully, you will keep revisiting this topic every few months as it's a choice any notebook consumer faces upon initial purchase. Ravi Peiris M.D.
TL:DR i5 and i7 doesn't mean anything anymore - look at core count and frequency differences, see what the GPU is. Decide based on that Anything up to 15 inches 1080p or 1440p, 1440p or 4k for 17 inches. I've tried all possible configs because I'm a system tester. If you're gaming, 1080p or 1440p screen. 4k is too difficult to run, and downscaling isn't optimal. 4k screens are about 2-3 times as power hungry as 1080p screens, and GPU load is increased.. So be ready to suffer a 30% battery life drop just for that alone.
Buying a Windows laptop is SO hard. There’s a lot of options and a lot of pros and cons. I discovered this channel looking for the best 13.3 or 14 inch laptop I could buy for my sister for no more than $600 and I ended up getting a deal in a Dell Inspiron 14 5000 with the 11th gen i5, 512GB NVMe SSD and Intel Iris Xe graphics for $529 + TAX (regular price is like $700). In my case is way easier, I just sold my mid 2014 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro and I’m getting a M1 MacBook Air right away without having to choose
Since I intend to keep my laptop for at least five years, I always try to go for the best specs I can - especially now that everything is always soldered on. i7-1165G7 and 32 GB RAM I've already decided on, but I keep going back and forth on the display. I adore matte displays, but I'm also definitely the kind of person who'll cram as much as possible on there. I assumed I'd prefer the FHD because battery life is so important to me, but the difference is so small... Why can't they have a matte 4K option!
As others said, 4k has marginal improvement on 14" screens - that extra money will be better spent elsewhere. And about the difference being small in this video: there are a number of variables to consider. The i7 may have helped reduce overall power consumption for example, because more capable processors generally don't need to run as much as less capable processors.
6:54 Both Dell and HP use 78Wh batteries on their 14" 2-in-1 laptops that are X1 Carbon/Yoga equivalents, which can last up to 13hrs with their optional 1W FHD panels. 8hrs on a Flagship ultrabook isn't too impressive, nor is it "the longest runtime", just the bare minimum work-day runtime(9-5). So this is pretty misleading information.
I love the videos you make man and i am no expert but your videos are like a long lecture at times that i want to attend but mid way through i get distracted, still massive respect for your time and effort will keep supporting you.
Good topic and some surprising results with 4K battery life. Wish they had a Matte version. ..I'm over glossy displays. What are your thoughts re: lite 4K video editing on 11th gen i7? Doable? or Too painful?
Another really informative video thanks for sharing! I have been wondering whether to change laptop recently as the display on my ThinkPad P43s is a basic 14in 250 nits FHD display which ruins the experience if you are mobile with it (though the anti glare on it makes it work better than some 300 nit glossy screens in bright light). The processor comparisons and FHD+ vs 4k in this video have got me thinking more...
I'm looking into an X1 Yoga 6th gen. My 2nd gen i7 literally is taking off when I run Zoom plus Miro simultaneously. Unbearable fan noise. As little as about 10% overall CPU load is enough to start the fan. I think I'll go for the i5 + 4k after having seen this vid. Thank you!
Hey Josh! Would love to hear your opinion on, dell inspiron 14 7000 i7 11th gen 16gb ram, nvidia mx350 16:10 ratio and dell xps 13 i5 11th gen 8 gb 512 ssd and Intel iris graphics. which one would pick if they were the same price ?
Hey Josh will you be reviewing portable laptops in the future? Something like a 14 inch and below, also if we should stick with the new 5000 ryzens over the intels? This will be a purchase for me later in the year, since my current hp pavilion 15.6 is just massive and not light due to the metal finish.
Hey Josh! Interested to see I’d you can do a review of the Asus Expertbook b9 with 11th gen Intel evo i7. Seems like a direct competitor to the X1 Carbon and Nano but with better I/o
Hey Josh! About that AMD vs Intel, idk about the video editing part but, I've actually tabulated around 35 games running on the Ryzen 7 5700U and the i7 1165G7. Even I considered the Iris Xe iGPU to be better than the AMD Radeon iGPU, but the new 5000 series really overthrows the intel tigerlake. Idk if its due to better processing power or the GPU but I actually got 10 to 20 Frames more in the ryzen than the i7 on similar settings. Tho it was equal in some games like Forza Horizon and CSGO but still, overall ryzen fared much better. and honestly speaking, pricewise the 5700u is closer to the i5 1135G7 than the i7. What do u think about this??
Hi Josh. Just discovered this channel and I already love it. I'm looking for a new laptop and I need a notebook for University: as I am going to have programming courses, I am not so sure whether getting an i7 or an i5 (or maybe an AMD Ryzen 7??). Moreover, is 8GB RAM enough or should I headed to 16GB?? Thanks
Highly informative. Thank you. Sadly, I now know a lot more but am just as unclear as before as to which screen to go with, whether to get the news Dell XPS 17" i7 laptop with the FHD+ non-touch matte screen or the UHD+4k touch glossy screen. So confused, so many factors to way. I don't do gaming or video/music editing, or for that matter much spreadsheet work, but I do work from home, with some mobile, and I do spend long hours online 5-7 days per week and frequent on and off evenings and weekends, normal stuff, including lots of streaming of stock quotes, youtube reviews (and movies), Internet searches and research, that sort of thing. Any suggestions to help me decide? It's a tough one. Dell does say their UHD+ screen does have ant-reflective treatment of some kind though I've heard it really doesn't do much.
@@lohbut2 I actually haven't made the purchase yet. Put it off. May within the next few months. I did notice that the big discounted prices around the start of the year are gone, and even the 2021's are priced higher now than then, almost as much as the new 2022's now. Oh well. One thought. I had thought the 2022's might greatly increase the battery life, making getting the 4k screen an easier decision, but best I can tell, though the chips in the new 2022's are improved, battery life apparently is not. Oh well again.
@@Nate-zy5ce I placed four orders and cancelled three. Current order is i7, FHD+, 3060. Minimum ram/SSD because I upgrade myself. I have the XPS 9500 and decided I want 17. Let’s see how long before I cancel again. Lol
@@lohbut2 Don't know if you'll see this, it has been almost a year, but I still haven't bought the new laptop yet but am about to. Care to share your experiences, good and bad, with the choice you made? And here's an update about what I am trying to decide about in case you have any added thoughts about any of it: Maybe you can share some updated thoughts regarding the choice I am facing here in 2023. I am going to get the Dell XPS 17 9730 with the Intel gen 13 i7 chip (maybe the i5), the 4050 or 4060 graphics card (leaning towards 4060 though don't know if I need that), 16GB RAM and 512GB SSDI (both upgradeable), and Windows 11 home. Am torn between the FHD+ or the 4k UHD+ display (leaning towards the 4k HUD+). I would like the better battery life of the FHD+, but everything else seems to suggest the 4k UHD+ display. I notice in some 15" display comparisons that the clarity of the 4k is much greater, no little lines seen as with the FHD+ in the close up shots. And I'm thinking there might be an even bigger difference in the 17" displays. I do not do gaming or video or music editing, just a lot of normal stuff online, streaming stock quotes and charts, streaming movies, many chrome tabs open, youtube while other things stream in the background that I click back and forth between often, and long hours 7 days a week on the laptop. And though it will be plugged in the majority of the time, I am expecting to do more mobile going forward, not most but more than in the past. I could save a lot of money getting the gen 13 i5, the 4050 and the FHD+, but the sweet spots seems to be the gen 13 i7, either the 4050 or 4060, and the 4k UHD+ display. Help. I'd welcome your or anyone's thoughts on any of this. I'm pretty set on the i7, but the 4050 (with 6 cores) and the 4060 (with 8 cores) is my biggest question mark. I wonder for instance if the 4060 is even necessary for my use cases, I'm thinking what I do is more single core activity than multi core so the jump from 6 to 8 cores may be irrelevant to me, and that maybe the 4050 might run cooler and get better battery life, with almost similar or similar performance for my use cases. Any thoughts on the 4050 vs 4060 choice, and the FHD+ vs 4k UHD+, when it comes to the larger 17" display size?
Josh, thank you for the detailed review. I do have a question though. I have x1 carbon 7th gen with 10th gen i7 and a 4K display, and I feel the general lag when using chrome(scrolling, etc). It seems like a common issue among other 4k users, but I was wondering if you experience matches with mine. Can you tell us the performance on chrome compared to FHD model?
Does this difference apply to all series of the lenovo thinkpad laptops..? I am a medical professional and needed a laptop mostly for data science.. I would be highly thankful ❤if you'd suggest me on choosing between the thinkpad e15 gen 2 intel i7 and the i5. 🤗
Do you use or recommend a 4K display as an alternative to one built into the laptop? I do a lot of text editing and want a device that will make this easier for me. But if I'm going to be doing most productivity work indoors at home, I think it might be better just to get a 4K monitor instead. A FHD/FHD+ panel is good enough for simple on-the-go tasks right?
Hey Josh, I had your site up waiting for the new video. I've been following you for sometime. You make fantastic reviews. I would like to ask you to review 15/15.6" laptops and provide recommendations for what to buy. I was going to buy the Lenovo Ideapad 5 15" last year after you gave it a terrific review, but it sold out globally. I have literally been waiting for you to recommend a 15/15.6" since then. I am REALLY hanging out for it. I have a 5 year old budget laptop that is slow and freezes, and takes ages to boot up. It's driving me crazy. I live in Australia, so I have to translate your recommendations to Australian models, and what can be sourced locally. We don't have the prices and range you guys in the US have. Hope you can help me out soon. Cheers Mate. Peter.
Thanks Peter for the nice comment. I'm actually traveling right now so content is a little slower than normal. I have a very interesting laptop in for review next week with a larger screen
Cool comparison! I myself did get a X1C9 i7-1185G7 with 32GB RAM and 4k+ display. I am wondering if you have experienced any thermal throttling on your i7 device? Can you give your experience on that? I am experiencing heavy thermal throttling kicks in within seconds after i start a heavy workload especially when the iGPU is also involved. Any experience on that? Would appreciate your feedack since the i7 1185g7 and the i7 1165g7 are quite similar... thanks!
I am looking at the x1 yoga gen 6. I was wondering if you can tell me if the 4K display in that model is matte? It really doesn’t say. It says anti reflective. What’s the difference between anti glare and anti reflective?
how do you think programming is like on the 7i? I'm curious because I was planning on getting the yoga 7i for uni because I'm going to study computer science.
Hi, I was wondering how to replace my working laptop Lenovo Y700-17 (I use it for graphics - I don't play games) with a new model. But I don't know what to look at, I have already a 27 inch Dell UP2720Q monitor and a separate system unit with Rizen 9. I need a laptop with only 17 screens, I took 15.6 top-end Apple Pro (it heats up and makes noise, which is just horrible), sold it! I'm looking at Dell G7 17 (7700) on Intel Core i9 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER. For me, the power to work with video work and graphics is important and 100% SRGB, and close ADOBE RGB 100% Budget 3000 $
Hi Josh, thanks a lot for your time and effort you put into these videos. I was following your recomendation and went for the i7 model pairing it with 32gb of ram, full hd screen. Unfortunatelly - coming from the x1 gen 8 with i5, 16gb and full hd, the gen 9 is just incredibly bad in terms of fan noise and heat. It is just no comparision. Even with no task at all or light tasks the gen 9 fan is running like crazy, whereas the gen 8 is not even to hear doing some adobe stuff - incredible! Do you have any suggestions, wheter I have a faulty unit or do I have to do someting with the settings? Bios is up do date! This status quo is just not bearable and ridiculous also considering the price. Not even my x230 was that loud! Thanks for your help.
Hello Tobias, I experienced the same with the campus model (32gb of ram, i7, full hd). Also I have coil whine, really annoying. Do you also hear coil whine out of the top left speaker?
@@hanspeter1486 Hi ! I don't have coil whine, as far as I can hear it. But I contacted Lenovo and received already my DOA sheet. I also did a Bios update again and set everything to default via Bios. The fan is improving, but I probably just exchange the unit.
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You’re reviews are so refreshing! Additionally as a developer using Linux for all my work having you test at least basic Linux capabilities on the laptops you review is huge. Thank you. Glad I stumbled onto your channel.
but are you satisfied with th keyboard ? Is it also so slick as in T490 ? And what about half-size arrow keys - I cannot stand using them on my T490. If they don't restore it to full size, I will switch all units back to Dells in my company.
Interesting to see this comparison. Also I like how you say "but it also makes my mum happy" 😁
I was dead in a second lol
*Sudden Surprise Wholesome*
it’s lame
This channel is so well tuned. You do such a good job of giving real analytical takes on these things without just listing off the technical jargon.
Yes, he does a good job of criticizing a manufacturer for not being able to do something no other manufacturer can do.
@@aratosm ok.
Just the video I was looking for ❤️
My ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 1 (yes Gen 1) from 2012 is still showing no signs of giving up ghost (recently replaced cooling fan and upgraded SSD). I don't do video editing or gaming so it serves me just fine. Every year I say "Maybe this is the year... " but the thing just won't die Lol. I may still retire it at some point and use it as a music and media server. I have my eye on the new Yoga Titanium and Gen6 X1 Yoga!
I was waiting when this will be out.
Was just watching your channel waiting for a new video. Thanks Josh
Omg was looking for this! Josh gets it again!
Best quality laptop reviews on the whole of RUclips.
i would love to see a review of microsoft surface laptop 4 with AMD version
Yes but I saw other reviewers saying amd zen 2 architecture is still relevant and showing benchmarks that it actually beat the tiger lake but lost only in graphics test I really want to see what josh thinks about the laptop
Josh askin the real questions thanks a bunch man!
If only 5:4/3:2/16:10/21:9 aspect ratios were the standard...
16:9 is the worst average of all these ratios.
you are a hero , glad I found this channel.
Your videos helped me choose my x1 yoga 6th gen, thank you Josh. I ended up going with the i5 and 4k screen and I am really happy with my purchase.
How is the glare on the screen? I'm undecided between i7 4k or the HD anti glare. I hate the glare and reflection on screens
@@gabrielbuatois6951 how did you decide?
@@thanhattran9361 ended up going with a yoga 9i 2.8k display. Very happy with it
Maybe because the 4k panel supports more brightness it was consuming less power at equal brightness. Also, the latest processors are so powerful that they can render 4k content without consuming much more compared to fullHD. It would be interesting to see if this is the case with AMD cpus as well.
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Thank you for the video.
THANK YOU FOR THAT!
The problem with this review is that the power consumption for office work / programming on the UHD+ must be much higher due to tiger lake being very inefficient in that field vs FHD. I tested around quite a lot on a LG Gram 16 with the 1165g7, and while watching video the resolution practically doesn't matter. However for surfing, typing in notepad++ or microsoft office if I decrease the resolution from 2560x1600 to 1280x800 I get about 30% higher battery life.
I do believe that IGZO panels don't matter about resolution anymore for power consumption, in many cases higher resolution panels even consuming less, because they have a much higher budget to produce them as they sell for a premium. And tiger lake is really efficient on video playback, plus resolution then kinda depends on the video only, not on the screen it's played back fullscreen. Actually it's clearly now the CPU that is burning through your battery. NVME with HIPM/DIPM activated, the display panel and so on are really efficient. The lg gram 16" idles at 1.8w with usably low screen brightness. it only goes up to around 4.3w on max luminance. So I guess the display panel uses about 0.5w to 3w per hour depending on brightness. However while surfing or productivity work I get 6-7 watt power consumption at low brightness. Hence for seemingly easy tasks the CPU will consume a lot of power. Actually Kaby Lake R and Comet Lake were much better in this regard. Ice Lake a disaster and tiger lake just improved on Ice lake.
I feel for intel we need to wait for Alder lake to get good actual battery life outside of watching videos. So the lg gram caneasily playback video in edge via wifi for 20-25 hours with good brightness if the videos are long enough - because as soon as you leave fullscreen and scroll around or watch many short clips it consumes more power (around 250 I guess, 80%) thanks to the efficient screen. But for work I only get about 12-14 hours. And well that is with that big 80wh battery. Apple M1 shows that office work or watching video is no difference. Same for smartphones. Intel needs to catch up here. and they announced so for Alder lake. Those numbers are with optimized windows meaning services not needed disabled, throttlestop optimizing and so on...
Oh yeah and I would guess i5 needs maybe 5-10% less power than i7. So I will exchange my lg gram with i7 to an lg gram with i5 processor (my lg gram came with defective hardware - so I have to exchange anyhow so I will just return and reorder with i5).
How do you feel about these two displays vs the 2k panel on the Nano? It feels like they should have just done a non-glossy 2k standard on this model.
Thank you, Josh! It's a joy watching your videos! That's how it should look like. It's evident you are used using your head :-)
Thanks mate
@@JustJoshTech Good review. I was actually looking at this laptop as a dev machine. How feasible is it for that with the i7 and 32 GB of RAM (backend java dev, enterprise apps, docker, microservices etc). I really want a Ryzen, and I found the one you recommended, the Yoga Slim 7 Pro with a Ryzen 5900HX, but with 16 GB of RAM soldered, and I feel that is not enough as a dev machine. How would you think these 2 would compare, and how would the X1 Carbon Gen 9 hold up as main dev machine. Pretty hard to decide, with flaws on all sides
Love the screen comparisons!!!!!!
Because of this guy i bought idea pad 5 with Amd ryzen 7 4700U , thank you so much for the reviews , only downside is the display tho but its still good
Constructive criticism
Josh your chanel is growing and I've been here for a while. I'd love to see more text on screen that helps the person stay engaged
You can see why that also helps in crowd retention as well if u do some searches here and there
You might as well even watch how LTT does their text edits. And also would love if u change the way you organize your tests for the viewer and present them
Some times more information is less
Also my comment regarding the scores presentation isn't mainly for this video, it's for others (this one is fairly simple with two variables most of the time
Hey Josh - Two things want to know :
a. Thinkpad or Dell Precision (Especially Built Quality)
b. i7-1185g7 vs i7-10870h (All for non gaming purpose, basically Heavy Excels / Visualization Tools etc)
Very informative! Thank You Josh!
Thank You Josh !!!!!!!
great review. I wish X1 Carbon gen 9 had 2560x1600 as a happy medium. X1 extreme has a 2560x1600 display. its perfect. 1600p would be perfect for a 14 inch panel size too.
Great review! Does the 4K panel has the PWM flickering problem?
Josh, you're the MVP! This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so very much! 🙇♂️
Just what was wishing for, great work!!!!!!
The X1 9th Gen has a low power 4k display, hence has better battery performance than expected.
Superb Video. I see few weeks of hard work!!
Well done Josh...it is always a pleasure to see such informative video 👍
thanks as always. Please do one comparing Surface Laptop 4 Intel i7 vs AMD Ryzen 7
Great review Josh, but pity that you didn't clarify situation with 4K model regarding PWM. 2 previous 4K models had PWM, so no go for many peoples.
The 4k panel in the X1 gen 9 doesn't use PWM
Thanks for this one. Just reminded me to go back to my HP ZBook 14U G6 and 15U G6, all components equal except the display (FHD vs 4K) and battery (50 Whr vs 56 Whr).
Love your intro. Gotta say
Good video as usual. ONE NOTE: The UHD+ (3840 x 2400) display does NOT come with a touchscreen option....
Awesome, Thank You!!
A discussion whose time has come, thank you for this. Hopefully, you will keep revisiting this topic every few months as it's a choice any notebook consumer faces upon initial purchase.
Ravi Peiris M.D.
A 2k+ matte color-accurate display will a perfect sweet spot. Don't know why they don't have it.
What an outstanding result regarding the 4k monitor! I didn't expect this
I would love to see an X1 carbon with a QHD+ screen like the legion 7pro
Very helpful. Battery life with 4K was my biggest concern before decided to buy X1 Carbon Gen9. Reflection, I am a MacBook user now, you understand.
How about PWM on the 4K display?
The 4k doesn't use PWM
This answers a ton of questions many months later!!
Great Review :)
Great video!
Josh is the best.
TL:DR
i5 and i7 doesn't mean anything anymore - look at core count and frequency differences, see what the GPU is. Decide based on that
Anything up to 15 inches 1080p or 1440p, 1440p or 4k for 17 inches. I've tried all possible configs because I'm a system tester. If you're gaming, 1080p or 1440p screen. 4k is too difficult to run, and downscaling isn't optimal.
4k screens are about 2-3 times as power hungry as 1080p screens, and GPU load is increased.. So be ready to suffer a 30% battery life drop just for that alone.
Buying a Windows laptop is SO hard. There’s a lot of options and a lot of pros and cons. I discovered this channel looking for the best 13.3 or 14 inch laptop I could buy for my sister for no more than $600 and I ended up getting a deal in a Dell Inspiron 14 5000 with the 11th gen i5, 512GB NVMe SSD and Intel Iris Xe graphics for $529 + TAX (regular price is like $700).
In my case is way easier, I just sold my mid 2014 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro and I’m getting a M1 MacBook Air right away without having to choose
Since I intend to keep my laptop for at least five years, I always try to go for the best specs I can - especially now that everything is always soldered on. i7-1165G7 and 32 GB RAM I've already decided on, but I keep going back and forth on the display. I adore matte displays, but I'm also definitely the kind of person who'll cram as much as possible on there. I assumed I'd prefer the FHD because battery life is so important to me, but the difference is so small...
Why can't they have a matte 4K option!
4k doesn't really matter too much on a laptop display imo. Even my 1080p 24" monitor is plenty sharp enough
Wait for the gen 10, it will have a 2k+ matte display.
As others said, 4k has marginal improvement on 14" screens - that extra money will be better spent elsewhere.
And about the difference being small in this video: there are a number of variables to consider. The i7 may have helped reduce overall power consumption for example, because more capable processors generally don't need to run as much as less capable processors.
Quite accurate Review... I trust this channel..
fantastic topic
6:54 Both Dell and HP use 78Wh batteries on their 14" 2-in-1 laptops that are X1 Carbon/Yoga equivalents, which can last up to 13hrs with their optional 1W FHD panels.
8hrs on a Flagship ultrabook isn't too impressive, nor is it "the longest runtime", just the bare minimum work-day runtime(9-5). So this is pretty misleading information.
I love the videos you make man and i am no expert but your videos are like a long lecture at times that i want to attend but mid way through i get distracted, still massive respect for your time and effort will keep supporting you.
Again excellent in attention to details 👍👍👍
Josh please go for surface 4, 15 inch 🌺🌺
Good topic and some surprising results with 4K battery life. Wish they had a Matte version. ..I'm over glossy displays. What are your thoughts re: lite 4K video editing on 11th gen i7? Doable? or Too painful?
I'd say if videos are short (sub 8 minutes) and very basic i.e. not many video or audio tracks, few effects like warp stabalizer then you are good
@@JustJoshTech Awesome ...thanks Josh!
After watching this video, I still can't decide whether to go with FHD+ or 4K...i want the 4K but worried about the glossy
What’d you decide?
Also curious about what you decided on, pulled the trigger on the gloss boss today
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Another really informative video thanks for sharing! I have been wondering whether to change laptop recently as the display on my ThinkPad P43s is a basic 14in 250 nits FHD display which ruins the experience if you are mobile with it (though the anti glare on it makes it work better than some 300 nit glossy screens in bright light). The processor comparisons and FHD+ vs 4k in this video have got me thinking more...
I'm looking into an X1 Yoga 6th gen. My 2nd gen i7 literally is taking off when I run Zoom plus Miro simultaneously. Unbearable fan noise. As little as about 10% overall CPU load is enough to start the fan. I think I'll go for the i5 + 4k after having seen this vid. Thank you!
Hey Josh! Would love to hear your opinion on, dell inspiron 14 7000 i7 11th gen 16gb ram, nvidia mx350 16:10 ratio and dell xps 13 i5 11th gen 8 gb 512 ssd and Intel iris graphics. which one would pick if they were the same price ?
Hey Josh will you be reviewing portable laptops in the future? Something like a 14 inch and below, also if we should stick with the new 5000 ryzens over the intels? This will be a purchase for me later in the year, since my current hp pavilion 15.6 is just massive and not light due to the metal finish.
The battery life on the 4K one is interesting and really good !
How can you tell if I have a bad trackpad?
I have the 4k model and I don't think I have the sense to tell the difference
Josh, you should see if the X1 with the i7 is worth repasting. Could be a very interesting change in performance.
How did you know all my questions? God your reviews are amazing!
is it me or did josh get more jacked ?
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Hey Josh! Interested to see I’d you can do a review of the Asus Expertbook b9 with 11th gen Intel evo i7. Seems like a direct competitor to the X1 Carbon and Nano but with better I/o
Can you get 2021's TUFs with Rtx 3060 and compare them? The Rtx 3070 configs no one is gonna buy due to low wattage and high price.
Sir i want to buy a laptop for video editing premiere pro so which one performs better or they are almost same please sir ?
Hey Josh!
About that AMD vs Intel, idk about the video editing part but, I've actually tabulated around 35 games running on the Ryzen 7 5700U and the i7 1165G7. Even I considered the Iris Xe iGPU to be better than the AMD Radeon iGPU, but the new 5000 series really overthrows the intel tigerlake. Idk if its due to better processing power or the GPU but I actually got 10 to 20 Frames more in the ryzen than the i7 on similar settings. Tho it was equal in some games like Forza Horizon and CSGO but still, overall ryzen fared much better. and honestly speaking, pricewise the 5700u is closer to the i5 1135G7 than the i7.
What do u think about this??
Hi Josh. Just discovered this channel and I already love it. I'm looking for a new laptop and I need a notebook for University: as I am going to have programming courses, I am not so sure whether getting an i7 or an i5 (or maybe an AMD Ryzen 7??). Moreover, is 8GB RAM enough or should I headed to 16GB?? Thanks
Hey great video💫
You will make a rewiew with Lenovo 5 pro? I think is a good competition for Omen
Hey, Josh! Could you please do a video on how to take care of your laptop battery?
Highly informative. Thank you. Sadly, I now know a lot more but am just as unclear as before as to which screen to go with, whether to get the news Dell XPS 17" i7 laptop with the FHD+ non-touch matte screen or the UHD+4k touch glossy screen. So confused, so many factors to way. I don't do gaming or video/music editing, or for that matter much spreadsheet work, but I do work from home, with some mobile, and I do spend long hours online 5-7 days per week and frequent on and off evenings and weekends, normal stuff, including lots of streaming of stock quotes, youtube reviews (and movies), Internet searches and research, that sort of thing. Any suggestions to help me decide? It's a tough one. Dell does say their UHD+ screen does have ant-reflective treatment of some kind though I've heard it really doesn't do much.
I’m exactly where you were five months ago. What did you decide?
@@lohbut2 I actually haven't made the purchase yet. Put it off. May within the next few months. I did notice that the big discounted prices around the start of the year are gone, and even the 2021's are priced higher now than then, almost as much as the new 2022's now. Oh well. One thought. I had thought the 2022's might greatly increase the battery life, making getting the 4k screen an easier decision, but best I can tell, though the chips in the new 2022's are improved, battery life apparently is not. Oh well again.
@@Nate-zy5ce I placed four orders and cancelled three. Current order is i7, FHD+, 3060. Minimum ram/SSD because I upgrade myself. I have the XPS 9500 and decided I want 17. Let’s see how long before I cancel again. Lol
@@lohbut2 Don't know if you'll see this, it has been almost a year, but I still haven't bought the new laptop yet but am about to. Care to share your experiences, good and bad, with the choice you made? And here's an update about what I am trying to decide about in case you have any added thoughts about any of it: Maybe you can share some updated thoughts regarding the choice I am facing here in 2023. I am going to get the Dell XPS 17 9730 with the Intel gen 13 i7 chip (maybe the i5), the 4050 or 4060 graphics card (leaning towards 4060 though don't know if I need that), 16GB RAM and 512GB SSDI (both upgradeable), and Windows 11 home. Am torn between the FHD+ or the 4k UHD+ display (leaning towards the 4k HUD+). I would like the better battery life of the FHD+, but everything else seems to suggest the 4k UHD+ display. I notice in some 15" display comparisons that the clarity of the 4k is much greater, no little lines seen as with the FHD+ in the close up shots. And I'm thinking there might be an even bigger difference in the 17" displays. I do not do gaming or video or music editing, just a lot of normal stuff online, streaming stock quotes and charts, streaming movies, many chrome tabs open, youtube while other things stream in the background that I click back and forth between often, and long hours 7 days a week on the laptop. And though it will be plugged in the majority of the time, I am expecting to do more mobile going forward, not most but more than in the past. I could save a lot of money getting the gen 13 i5, the 4050 and the FHD+, but the sweet spots seems to be the gen 13 i7, either the 4050 or 4060, and the 4k UHD+ display. Help.
I'd welcome your or anyone's thoughts on any of this. I'm pretty set on the i7, but the 4050 (with 6 cores) and the 4060 (with 8 cores) is my biggest question mark. I wonder for instance if the 4060 is even necessary for my use cases, I'm thinking what I do is more single core activity than multi core so the jump from 6 to 8 cores may be irrelevant to me, and that maybe the 4050 might run cooler and get better battery life, with almost similar or similar performance for my use cases. Any thoughts on the 4050 vs 4060 choice, and the FHD+ vs 4k UHD+, when it comes to the larger 17" display size?
So does the 4k us PWM? That was the reason why I didn't go for what would have been the cheaper 4k, can't stand flicker.
The 4k in the X1 carbon gen 9 doesn't use PWM
Josh, thank you for the detailed review. I do have a question though. I have x1 carbon 7th gen with 10th gen i7 and a 4K display, and I feel the general lag when using chrome(scrolling, etc). It seems like a common issue among other 4k users, but I was wondering if you experience matches with mine. Can you tell us the performance on chrome compared to FHD model?
Don’t forget to add subtitles in your videos!!
I would love to see a review of huaweis Matebooks! They seem pretty interesting to me, especially for their price!
Awesome work, keep going!
Does this difference apply to all series of the lenovo thinkpad laptops..?
I am a medical professional and needed a laptop mostly for data science..
I would be highly thankful ❤if you'd suggest me on choosing between the thinkpad e15 gen 2 intel i7 and the i5.
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Do you use or recommend a 4K display as an alternative to one built into the laptop? I do a lot of text editing and want a device that will make this easier for me. But if I'm going to be doing most productivity work indoors at home, I think it might be better just to get a 4K monitor instead. A FHD/FHD+ panel is good enough for simple on-the-go tasks right?
Yes. I am using a Dell XPS 9500 with FHD+ matte panel, it looks very good.
Exactly the type of comparison I was looking for. Can’t decide if I want i7 or ryzen 7 and if I want regular screen or Oled for my next laptop.
Hey Josh, do you recommend the Lenovo Ideapad 3 Gen 6 17-inch or 15-inch ? Hope you could anwser this.
Hey Josh, I had your site up waiting for the new video. I've been following you for sometime. You make fantastic reviews. I would like to ask you to review 15/15.6" laptops and provide recommendations for what to buy. I was going to buy the Lenovo Ideapad 5 15" last year after you gave it a terrific review, but it sold out globally. I have literally been waiting for you to recommend a 15/15.6" since then. I am REALLY hanging out for it. I have a 5 year old budget laptop that is slow and freezes, and takes ages to boot up. It's driving me crazy. I live in Australia, so I have to translate your recommendations to Australian models, and what can be sourced locally. We don't have the prices and range you guys in the US have.
Hope you can help me out soon. Cheers Mate. Peter.
Thanks Peter for the nice comment. I'm actually traveling right now so content is a little slower than normal. I have a very interesting laptop in for review next week with a larger screen
Just a follow up addition. I'm not a gamer, programmer or videographer. Just productivity and the usual youtube, browsing etc.
@@JustJoshTech amazing. I'm in the same situation and would also be looking forward to the video next week
Cool comparison! I myself did get a X1C9 i7-1185G7 with 32GB RAM and 4k+ display. I am wondering if you have experienced any thermal throttling on your i7 device? Can you give your experience on that? I am experiencing heavy thermal throttling kicks in within seconds after i start a heavy workload especially when the iGPU is also involved. Any experience on that? Would appreciate your feedack since the i7 1185g7 and the i7 1165g7 are quite similar... thanks!
Hi,
Do you see pixels grid on the FHD+ at a near viewing distance ?
thank you
Great content! Is it possible to do a review on the x13 gen2 as well!?
The glare on the 4k screen is almost a deal breaker. Makes a good mirror!
I am looking at the x1 yoga gen 6. I was wondering if you can tell me if the 4K display in that model is matte? It really doesn’t say. It says anti reflective. What’s the difference between anti glare and anti reflective?
Josh can you review the Lenovo P14s Workstation? I'm interested to know about this one
Josh, please review the msi prestige 15 a11scx 🙌🙌
Go with the i7 version for future proofing. Just keep in mind the faults with the version and prepare for it.
how do you think programming is like on the 7i? I'm curious because I was planning on getting the yoga 7i for uni because I'm going to study computer science.
Hi, I was wondering how to replace my working laptop Lenovo Y700-17 (I use it for graphics - I don't play games) with a new model.
But I don't know what to look at, I have already a 27 inch Dell UP2720Q monitor and a separate system unit with Rizen 9.
I need a laptop with only 17 screens, I took 15.6 top-end Apple Pro (it heats up and makes noise, which is just horrible), sold it!
I'm looking at Dell G7 17 (7700) on Intel Core i9 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER.
For me, the power to work with video work and graphics is important and 100% SRGB, and close ADOBE RGB 100%
Budget 3000 $
Just one suggestion, can you also see how does ryzen 5 vs 7 compare as well
Which x1 carbon gen 9 screen would you buy and would you buy the carbon or the x1 nano after your experience?
I would be interested too
Me too like to know
@@davidm71 I personally ended up buying the X1CG9. I'm happy with it. I went for the FHD+ screen for better battery life and no gloss.
@@colinmsmall Thanks for input. The glossy screen is too glossy for my likes as well. If it wasnt for the glare I would have kept it.
I just had this question in mind😂 and was also looking at the same laptops!!! Love this guy
Hi Josh, thanks a lot for your time and effort you put into these videos. I was following your recomendation and went for the i7 model pairing it with 32gb of ram, full hd screen. Unfortunatelly - coming from the x1 gen 8 with i5, 16gb and full hd, the gen 9 is just incredibly bad in terms of fan noise and heat. It is just no comparision. Even with no task at all or light tasks the gen 9 fan is running like crazy, whereas the gen 8 is not even to hear doing some adobe stuff - incredible! Do you have any suggestions, wheter I have a faulty unit or do I have to do someting with the settings? Bios is up do date! This status quo is just not bearable and ridiculous also considering the price. Not even my x230 was that loud! Thanks for your help.
Hello Tobias,
I experienced the same with the campus model (32gb of ram, i7, full hd). Also I have coil whine, really annoying. Do you also hear coil whine out of the top left speaker?
@@hanspeter1486 Hi ! I don't have coil whine, as far as I can hear it. But I contacted Lenovo and received already my DOA sheet. I also did a Bios update again and set everything to default via Bios. The fan is improving, but I probably just exchange the unit.