ugh thats why Laptop buying is such a horrendous jungle. Specs are meaningless. you have to account and test the whole system, and comparing reviews are incredible rare.
Especially now when AMD 5900HX laptop cpu mops the floor with everything Intel has to offer in terms of price, performance, thermals and power consumption
@@battlebuddy4517 it performs great in the Asus Strix G15 as for the Zephyrus Duo 15 it got an update that made it more beastly and since the cpu doesn’t consume that much power u can use the msi vbios and get the tgp of the 3080 to 150W with no problems
@@HoodHussler that’s not what he’s saying at all. He’s saying things like how the SI designs thermals and does power optimization can be just as important as the specs themselves, so you can’t shop laptops by specs alone.
@@TheJacobshapiro that’s why I mentioned those 2 models because so far they provide the most out of the cpu but if we take a look at the blade17 pro it has the sweetest thermals and on paper it should perform way less than it does but in reality it’s a beast so again check it and the Zephyrus Duo 15 if u want the most out of ur system
@@fran2911 **comment explained** ==> a beast pc back in 1981 costed $1000+ in 1981 money and a beast pc today still costs $1000+ but in 2021 money. inflation is completely irrelevant here they both end up with the same price tag
@@fran2911 inflation also affects the parts, the performance is going to be more a heck of a lot more than a 3x multiplier. The point the commenter was making is that you are going to be paying topshelf pricing for top shelf performance no matter the day and age you are in.
I have been coming recently pretty often to Eber's reviews. They have that cozy and personal aura that makes you feel like you are at quiet home and a long time friend is calmly giving you buying advice, willing to answer even the most basic questions. 'Spend responsibly' is cherry on top in that case and encompasses that good willingness.
It has been the case since 3rd gen core for thin and light laptop lol(with the only exception of i7-10710u being 6 cores whereas i7-10510u and i5-10210u being 4 cores in the same generation)
Technically speaking this isn't new. Most I5's are I7's that failed to hit the engineering specifications of their I7 counterpart. For example a 6700k and 6600k are the same silicon, possibly from the same wafer even. But the 6700k passed its probe inspection for PPW and defect, while the 6600k failed to meet PPW expectation of the 6700k or a non-critical defect was detected. They then fuse off cores (if applicable, it wouldn't be in this comparison) and disable certain functions like HT, and have a 6600k if it at least meets the binning parameters of that spec.
As a PC guy with 3 razer laptops I have to say: new M1 macbooks are insane. The confidence in battery life is something else. For a gaming rig ryzen is phenomenal too. We need to let Intel dwell on their future and be better.
This video genuinely surprised me. Outside of gaming, seeing the i5 beat the i7 is trippy. They ought to state power limits as a bare minimum. 20W on both might mean a similar performance but there is also so much going on under the hood (as you said, larger cache size = more power draw) I checked the Intel site and compared them. The i5 and the i7 have similar TDP-up and TDP-down yet have different clock-speeds. It now sounds plausible that even with max wattage, the i5 would have beaten the i7 in productivity tests. This is trippy.
To your surprise i3 1125g4 is also 4 core 8 thread cpu and it's about 5% slower than i5 1135g7 because it's underclocked version of i5 and that's why i3 1125g4 is most power efficient.
My pc i5 10500h beats a i7 10750h, but both processors are beated up by i3 10100.. At the same time paired with good ram and good video combo, can reach i5 10500 dekstop. Crazy
The audio in this video is IMPRESSIVELY good! I know, weird comment lol, but the vocals were so good it sounded/looked like a voice over. Great content as well. I've seen a few vids from this channel over the last few weeks and finally subbed today. Keep up the good work!
Great video! Its a shame buying a laptop can be such a messy affair these days... I ended up getting a Lenovo ideapad 5 14", i5, 16gigs, 512 storage from costco for $600. Very happy with my decision.
I bought a laptop with the i5 1135g7 and 16GB of memory last month. Good to know it performs as well as the i7. The integrated Xe graphics is 3x the UHD 620 graphics performance in 8th gen intel chips.
@@mayankpriya6831 it might. I'm not sure how your particular laptop is otherwise configured, though. It either will help graphics about 20%, or not at all, but using apps should be smoother and more enjoyable with 16GB.
They probably knew that the i5 actually performed better, that's why they didn't even offer 16GB of memory for the i5 to try and stunt it's performance... The paltry 8GB of NON-UPGRADABLE memory that comes with the i5 model is very anti-consumer...
Yup. Absolutely similar trends and benchmarks were observed on my reviews too for the 2 different laptops running an Intel i5 and i7 11th gen respectively.
Great video, great idea. I think there is another thing that could bei interesting to look at: differences in perfomance of normal thin convertibles in clamshell vs. Tent mode. Asus and a lot of miners claim its better in tent mode
Hi, I ran into your video after trying to find a reasonably priced i7 in the market, and thanks to you I am now looking for an i5. Thank you so much for this information!
Thank you so much Eber! I have been thinking about this a lot because I'm looking to buy an ultraportable laptop soon and I was thinking if an i7 was worth the higher price or if I should just go with an i5 if it had 16 GB RAM. This video was a pleasant surprise and helped me a lot in making a decision. Now I'll definitely go with an i5 with 16 GB RAM (if I don't get a Ryzen laptop).
Great Presentation ... clear, concise and compelling. Thank you for your professional review, i.e., analytical exposition, critical context, and integrational conclusion.
8:04 So basically, the i7 throttled because of the limited Wattage. Give the i7 model about twice the Wattage (i.e 40W), and it could be a completely different story altogether.
Just found your channel yesterday and I'm loving your videos, they have excellent analysis and production. But I have to complain about the plots in this video, the constant switching of the i5 and i7 positions on the bar plots. Having to check which one was were every time a new plot was shown made it unnecessarily difficult to follow along the presentation while not adding any meaningful info to the visualization since the compassion of 2 items in trivial. This is not like the GamerNexus's temperature ranks with 20-ish items to keep sorted (and even then they highlight each item they mention to assist the viewer), but a small comparison of a handful of items. With so few qualitative values it would have been better to keep them in a consistent position / color. You could have used red bars for the i5 to maintain the colors of the time series plots. That's it, a small that you might consider in the future. Thank you all for this awesome content!
Same here. I'm not a fan of gaming laptops but I might have to pick one next time, as they are now the only ones left with 2 RAM slots for most brands (except Dell which still provides non-gaming laptops with 2 RAM slots).
@@popokatapetl6995 Now that's horrible news to me. My laptop is 8 years old, so I might need a new one in a few years, but at this rate I'm not sure if I'll be able to get one with 2 RAM slots by then. It's ridiculous we are going backward by greedy manufacturers eliminating upgradable parts one after another when hardware keeps getting more powerful.
I have the i5 model which works for my use case. Just to share about the weight difference it is because one has a touch screen and the other does not.
Did you @ 10:03 mix those i5 and i7 up or is this correct? Also. Please! If you do graphs - keep the placement consistent - i7 up and i5 down or vice versa but do not wiggle them around Overall really good overview and fair amount of details included. Thanks!
True, the inconsistent position of the CPU's made more difficult to keep up with the analysis and plots, having to constantly check which one was where everytime a new plot showed up.
I ended up getting the 1135G7 over the 1165G7 when speccing my Yoga S7i 13. Not only did I get pretty much an identical processor, just with a slightly less beefy iGPU but I saved a good amount of coin. Nice.
Absolutely agree with this review! I personally have i5 1135g7 but with 16 gigs of ram. It is almost on a par with i7 version and when it throttles in heavy load tasks the workink frequencies of both processors are pretty much the same. And battery mode is more suitable for gaming since there is no overheating as in plugin mode.
@@falseprediction nothing to do with Intel? Intel literally states that i7 base frequency is 400 Mhz higher, which, given the same TDP should mean that it clocks higher at maximum loads(binned chip), which we don't see here, so they are pretty much lying to their customers here, as they could have made the i7 clock higher than i5 at the same TDP, but even with noticeably higher price, it doesn't.
I both love and hate the laptop market right now: Want real Thunderbolt? Have to buy Intel. Want the best all rounder? Get M1 Mac. Get best value or gaming machine with the best performance? Get AMD. Want all 3? Doesn't exist.
Yup. I'm looking for a video editing machine. I like windows, but AMD machines suffer from poor build quality, and intel will probably be out muscled the M1x chips.
@@BrohemianLifestyle The Asus Flex X13 was such a big swing and a miss. I wouldn't have minded the proprietary cable so much if it was a standard eGPU enclosure instead of a non-upgradable mobile GPU module. If Asus makes an enclosure in the future with that same connector, I'd take a second look at the Flex X13.
The Apple M1 is one helluva powerhouse and efficiency madness. Sadly, most x86 applications that I require for my studies (engineering stuff like STAAD, LinPro, GeoSlope, etc) aren't optimized or even available for use on their ARM platform (won't even work with Rosetta 2). Running cloud services also wasn't a choice here in my country. Ended up buying a Lenovo Legion 5 with a Ryzen 7 4800h instead, it's a VERY good chip... but not an all rounder for me (Perf + Batt). Plus optimization on apple's part pretty much makes the use of dedicated GPU a non necessity and I'm also not a gamer/using any heavy workloads outside of school stuff. Sadly as you said, current laptop market aren't great. It'll take years for the ARM market to mature. Fingers crossed
As a summary i5 is very close to i7 and i7 is very expensive so get the i5 but also try getting 16gb ram which most laptops r not providing so try finding one with 16gb ram and not 8 gb(i can recommend u hp pavilion x360 u can upgrade the ram unlike other manufacturers, literally no other company offers upgradable ram)
The key point here is that Razer capped the power. This doesn't mean other manufacturers would use the same amounts. Just Josh compared two Dell XPS laptops and the i7 came out comfortably on top. He stated they initially drew 38W of power, where the graphs here show the Razer allowed 28W of initial power, which is the main difference. This is something I never would have thought to look for (not that I think you could) when shopping for a laptop.
I am trying to understand why the i5 is maintaining a higher clock speed than the i7 in long workloads. Is it possible that the voltage for the i7 is higher than the i5, and since they both have to stay inside a 20 watt TDP, the i7 is having to throttle its frequency more to stay inside the TDP?
It's crazy how i7 over i5 has been turning into a sham when talking about ultrabooks. Experiencing it since last 5 years. No way I'm getting a thin and light i7 laptop again.
Issue here is that unless you live in the US and have a good retailer around, it's near impossible to find the i5 with 16GB RAM SKUs anyway, so if you want higher end display and higher RAM, you default to i7 no matter what.
very insightful comparison, would be awesome to do the same comparison, showing 10th, 11th, and 12th Gen. Intel mobile laptop CPUs, with graphics, against AMD's 5000 and 6800 series setup
Good video, which illustrates how a PC manufacturers configuration choice can cripple the performance of i7 processor Vs its i5 counterpart. The new GPD Win 3 gaming handheld has two versions based on the exact same Intel Tiger Lake processors and both versions have 16 GB RAM, but the i7 was the clear winner on performance, except for the low power settings. The main difference between GPD and Razer is GPD allows you to adjust configuration of their devices CPU TDP in BIOS or using a utility such as QuickCPU, viz.15 - 20 W, 20 - 25 W or 25 - 28 W. Does QuickCPU work on the Razer Book 13?
Just a little suggestion, the graphs were all over the place. Stick to one spot for each processor, the graphs just kep shifting with 1165 on top (Legends) on one and 1135 on the other which felt annoying. It will be far easier to judge which one is faster
Sorry, but if you a frequent reader of notebookcheck you will know that since a couple of years back i5 is always the better value and performing chip than i7. It always comes back to thermal cooling capacity. The solution, which is not always applicable is to use Intel XTU to undervolt or even underclock.
0:05 I wish I was bombarded with tons of options, I can have 3 flavors of i5 10210u where I'm at right now in the forms of some trashy HPs, Dells and a Lenovo for 550 bucks
Man the Lenovo ideapads are a big trash garbages, much better are HP and Dell notebooks than the shities Lenovo garbages!! And i say that for my experience with shitty ideapads🤮🤧
Thanks this was helpful! I'm looking at LG Gram laptops with either i7-1165G7 or i5-1135G7 CPU's. Since I'm not a power user and both have 16Gb of RAM, I'm leaning toward i5. However, the i5 doesn't have a touchscreen, which seems silly to me.
Well we don't have H series Intel yet techincally all the 11th gen intel on the market are low power thin and light chips but yeah AMD>10th gen H>11th Gen thin and light
Differences in speed at any given power, especially sustained is all down to ASIC/quality/etc. of the CPU from the factory.. That i5 is likely requesting a decently lower VID (voltage) therefore less wattage is required for more speed vs the i7.. I've had two identical machines, both using the same i7 CPUs.. One was requesting lower VID and therefore boosting under sustained at at least 200mhz as well. This is why undervolt tuning is so important of which has been removed/taken away from a lot of machines these days :(
You know the manufacturers are aware of this because of the way they're packaging Dedicated GPUs with these CPUs: You can often only get the "Ti" or top-tier GPU if you also get an i7. When in reality you really would want the dGPU with an i5, for the best price/performance combo. :-(
Thanks for your review and your take on the difference between the i5-1165G7 and the i71165G7. I debated over these two and with a new Laptop concept call Framework Laptop, which you can configure with up to 64 Gig and over 1 TB Drive. I have debated over the i5 or the i7and really do I spend over $350 to $400 to upgrade to the i7-1165G7. I personally think like in this video I am better to upgrade the RAM and save on the CPU. At least for my usage, it is not worth it right now. Plus the Framework Laptop you can upgrade the CPU later.
It has weeks since I searching laptop to replace my old one, and 2021 is a year where a lot of options that makes it really hard to choose (at leqst for me) ..now after watching this review, I can't help but to reset my list, and starting put considerations for i5 too 😭 (would be easier if u just has budget to get top tier laptops) ..anyway, thank you for this, its 100% helpfull for us (the best value laptop hunters)
It would be interesting to compare two laptops with i7 of the 11th generation, one with and the other without nvidia graphics card. Especially to see the performance in video encoding.
In some ways laptops, although giving huge advantages in the portable streaks and all in one convenience - they can be a poor substitute for a desktop. If you're happy to have less convenience, an AiO system could be the reasonable compromise you can be happy with
Nice Analysis ; i need one quick advice. i need to take one laptop very soon. i found these choices. i would like to know which one is the better one to pick? 1) "i5 11th gen 16gb ddr4 with mx450 (gddr5)" hp pavilion eg series here in india (Vs) 2) "Ryzen 7 5700u" 8gb (4+4 ddr4 with 1 sodim slot to upgrade to 12gb) Asus flip 14 tm420ia (Vs) 3) "Ryzen 7 4800u" 8gb LPDDR4X (slim 7 4800u) which is the best choice among these three...??
I have that i7 in my Acer Aspire 3 paired with 20GB RAM and it's certainly snappy and a productivity powerhouse - it can also play games like LOL on max settings at 60fps like it's nothing. Looking at your video if I were someone else and I had gotten the i5 version I certainly wouldn't be bothered, seems to be a capable little chip, just maybe a little less futureproof.
very clear voice nice explanation really love u r words , like u r deep dig into power consumption and temperature levels under workload but wants know the real time performance or loading speed comparison when opening or working on IDE (vs or any) can u please provide the comparison o that perspective bcz it is very much needed as no body checking on running IDEs . waiting for ur ans
i'm surprised nobody knew this except for hardware canucks. Another thing is the fact that in geekbench 5, from i5 to i7, the single core speed going up by 200 means that even super fin has its flaws and there is a lot more performance which they need to squeeze out in their ++++++++ nodes. Its not that 14nm was bad, 6th gen- 7th gen was a good increase considering they were on the same node and same architecture but improved that node.
2 years late but I have to say that there is a solution. First, the problem - The manufacturer sets the PL1 power limit of this laptop to 20W no matter if it's the i7 or the i5. The solution - Use ThrottleStop and set the PL1 limit to 25W or 28W (if the temps are below 80c). this will give the processor the power it needs - it will run at 3.5-3.6Ghz and not 2.5Ghz.
cooling limitations, obviously. But Intel literally states that i7 base frequency is 400 Mhz higher, which, given the same TDP should mean that it clocks higher at maximum loads(binned chip), which we don't see here, so they are pretty much lying to their customers here, as they could have made the i7 clock higher than i5 at the same TDP, but even with noticeably higher price, it doesn't
Soo I guess it's time to return my Razer Book and find something else again. I feel like the power limit is because razer wanted the intel evo branding. They clearly have more headroom to push the CPU but they need to stay within a certain spec for the EVO designation. I could be totally wrong. Also the big price and weight different on the laptops isn't just the processor and ram but the touch screen on the i7 version.
@@sm1tty. you have a hard time with sarcasm, I see. Just saying, 8 gigs runs out fast for anyone who multitasks. I max out RAM on everything for this reason: future compatibility. I don't buy a new computer every two years, there is no need to at this time, the only things moving that fast are RAM usage and to some degree video rendering. What I spend this kind of money on, I expect to be relevant for five to ten years (upgradable as appropriate).
I guess total power to each is limited because of thermal constraints in laptops/notebooks and so both end up pretty much the same in terms of performance terms, much like having a 60mph speed limiter on a 3 litre twin turbo and a 1.6 litre normally aspirated engine, they both do 60mph. The efficient thermal design of the laptop is likely to be the limiting factor.
I love that my new Samsung Galaxy Book Pro with intel i5 Evo ($850) with only 8GB RAM feels faster than my 3-year-old MSI GS65 gaming laptop ($2300) in every way except for gaming and maybe video editing (which I have never tried on either). I really don't see a reason to go for i7 Evo or a gaming laptop with RTX 3000 series if the pc is only for watching youtube, Word, and normal internet usage which 90% of people use their laptop for.
ugh thats why Laptop buying is such a horrendous jungle. Specs are meaningless. you have to account and test the whole system, and comparing reviews are incredible rare.
Especially now when AMD 5900HX laptop cpu mops the floor with everything Intel has to offer in terms of price, performance, thermals and power consumption
@@HoodHussler not exactly In some cases intel performance is better then amd in laptops
@@battlebuddy4517 it performs great in the Asus Strix G15 as for the Zephyrus Duo 15 it got an update that made it more beastly and since the cpu doesn’t consume that much power u can use the msi vbios and get the tgp of the 3080 to 150W with no problems
@@HoodHussler that’s not what he’s saying at all. He’s saying things like how the SI designs thermals and does power optimization can be just as important as the specs themselves, so you can’t shop laptops by specs alone.
@@TheJacobshapiro that’s why I mentioned those 2 models because so far they provide the most out of the cpu but if we take a look at the blade17 pro it has the sweetest thermals and on paper it should perform way less than it does but in reality it’s a beast so again check it and the Zephyrus Duo 15 if u want the most out of ur system
The computer you want will always cost $2000, whether it is 1981 or 2021.
Nice quote.
$2000 in 1981 is $5,755 today tho
@@fran2911 **comment explained** ==> a beast pc back in 1981 costed $1000+ in 1981 money and a beast pc today still costs $1000+ but in 2021 money. inflation is completely irrelevant here they both end up with the same price tag
@@fran2911 inflation also affects the parts, the performance is going to be more a heck of a lot more than a 3x multiplier. The point the commenter was making is that you are going to be paying topshelf pricing for top shelf performance no matter the day and age you are in.
@@careyosoup274 oh, yeah lol
AMD has officially slapped Intel so hard they've swapped the labels on the i7 and i5.
LOL!!!
that slap was some time ago.
and they still felt that clap until today
Now that is a funny comment!
@zulfikangga Idk which area you living but granted my friend asking for recommendation Ryzen laptop which variable option and stock
@@micahdavis3437 That ain't a Zen3 cpu. so no stock issues.
I love that Eber says 'spend responsibly' at the end of every video. Most underrated advice especially in these days..
Agreed I have an i7 🤦🏻♂️
I have been coming recently pretty often to Eber's reviews. They have that cozy and personal aura that makes you feel like you are at quiet home and a long time friend is calmly giving you buying advice, willing to answer even the most basic questions. 'Spend responsibly' is cherry on top in that case and encompasses that good willingness.
Spending responsively would probably mean going with amd for portable systems lmao.
Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins.
So the i7 is basically a binned i5. Nice one Intel.
lol
binned i5? it's slower at prolonged loads lol, binned CPU-s don't act like that
It has been the case since 3rd gen core for thin and light laptop lol(with the only exception of i7-10710u being 6 cores whereas i7-10510u and i5-10210u being 4 cores in the same generation)
Technically speaking this isn't new. Most I5's are I7's that failed to hit the engineering specifications of their I7 counterpart. For example a 6700k and 6600k are the same silicon, possibly from the same wafer even. But the 6700k passed its probe inspection for PPW and defect, while the 6600k failed to meet PPW expectation of the 6700k or a non-critical defect was detected. They then fuse off cores (if applicable, it wouldn't be in this comparison) and disable certain functions like HT, and have a 6600k if it at least meets the binning parameters of that spec.
No, they are not binned i7's because of the three megs per core vs two megs for L3, plus the igpu cores difference.
This was probably one of the most useful review videos I watched comparing the i5 to i7. I ended up going with the i5 and 16GB memory.
Sooo Intel is not just slower than AMD they’re slower than themselves???
lol...yep
Hahaha
As a PC guy with 3 razer laptops I have to say: new M1 macbooks are insane. The confidence in battery life is something else. For a gaming rig ryzen is phenomenal too. We need to let Intel dwell on their future and be better.
insane , are you joking. got m1 and ryzen 3500 also
@Ice Bear-imnida m1 not perform as multi tasking. other will be reduce or suspend more background..
@@rebelsdeveloper367 M1 does a great job while multitasking. In fact it is one of its major strengths.
@@ksp3324 nope . maybe your workload doesnt yet crash .
As a guy with 3 (overprized) razor laptops you have a ton of money to waste and thats why you have no problem buying into the apple eco system lol
The naming is so bad that the description have a typo in it lol
What typo?
@@Moonlight-sj7qc I'm asking what the typo is.
@@dhilsiva he put i7-1156G7 instead of i7-1165G7
@@coolerdan446 oh ok.
This video genuinely surprised me. Outside of gaming, seeing the i5 beat the i7 is trippy. They ought to state power limits as a bare minimum. 20W on both might mean a similar performance but there is also so much going on under the hood (as you said, larger cache size = more power draw)
I checked the Intel site and compared them. The i5 and the i7 have similar TDP-up and TDP-down yet have different clock-speeds. It now sounds plausible that even with max wattage, the i5 would have beaten the i7 in productivity tests. This is trippy.
To your surprise i3 1125g4 is also 4 core 8 thread cpu and it's about 5% slower than i5 1135g7 because it's underclocked version of i5 and that's why i3 1125g4 is most power efficient.
trippy, dude, trippy.
Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins.
My pc i5 10500h beats a i7 10750h, but both processors are beated up by i3 10100.. At the same time paired with good ram and good video combo, can reach i5 10500 dekstop. Crazy
The audio in this video is IMPRESSIVELY good! I know, weird comment lol, but the vocals were so good it sounded/looked like a voice over.
Great content as well. I've seen a few vids from this channel over the last few weeks and finally subbed today.
Keep up the good work!
Great video! Its a shame buying a laptop can be such a messy affair these days... I ended up getting a Lenovo ideapad 5 14", i5, 16gigs, 512 storage from costco for $600. Very happy with my decision.
Que tal es la pantalla y duración de bateria quiero comprarme la lenovo ideapad 5i
I found this channel a few weeks ago because I'm looking for a new laptop. It's my "go to" channel now. 👍👍
Might wana check out Dave2D as he has a lots of laptop vids and reviews well from an average users perspective.
That guy is awesome too.
@@mxhusky5308 Just Josh and Jarrod'st tech are also both really good
+1 for Just Josh :)
Haha yeah me too
I bought a laptop with the i5 1135g7 and 16GB of memory last month. Good to know it performs as well as the i7.
The integrated Xe graphics is 3x the UHD 620 graphics performance in 8th gen intel chips.
I wanna ask, if I upgrade my ram to 16 GB, will the GPU perform better, mine is i7 1165g7.
@@mayankpriya6831 it might. I'm not sure how your particular laptop is otherwise configured, though. It either will help graphics about 20%, or not at all, but using apps should be smoother and more enjoyable with 16GB.
I'm thinking of buying an Ideapad 5 14 with the i5 1135g7 , XE Graphics and 16 GB Ram. It's 699€ now. Do you think I should get it?
@@Dan-sw8tg that's a good hardware configuration for a decent price, but I can't really tell you if you should buy it or not.
@@davidgunther8428 how is the single core performnce
They probably knew that the i5 actually performed better, that's why they didn't even offer 16GB of memory for the i5 to try and stunt it's performance... The paltry 8GB of NON-UPGRADABLE memory that comes with the i5 model is very anti-consumer...
Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins.
we've been trained to buy i7s if we can afford them.
This ☝️
The most soothing voice on RUclips - and great tech content, as well!
Corteks: bet
Have you ever watched mrwhosetheboss ?
@@DakshBabbar yes, he is amazing too. Both guys are really good but mrwhosetheboss has content that its not close to his.
Yup. Absolutely similar trends and benchmarks were observed on my reviews too for the 2 different laptops running an Intel i5 and i7 11th gen respectively.
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Great video, great idea. I think there is another thing that could bei interesting to look at: differences in perfomance of normal thin convertibles in clamshell vs. Tent mode. Asus and a lot of miners claim its better in tent mode
Hi, I ran into your video after trying to find a reasonably priced i7 in the market, and thanks to you I am now looking for an i5. Thank you so much for this information!
Thank you so much Eber! I have been thinking about this a lot because I'm looking to buy an ultraportable laptop soon and I was thinking if an i7 was worth the higher price or if I should just go with an i5 if it had 16 GB RAM. This video was a pleasant surprise and helped me a lot in making a decision. Now I'll definitely go with an i5 with 16 GB RAM (if I don't get a Ryzen laptop).
So, It's better to have a 16GB RAM Laptop than an i7 core instead of the i5?
Great Presentation ... clear, concise and compelling. Thank you for your professional review, i.e., analytical exposition, critical context, and integrational conclusion.
that Pikachu wallpaper, i need it , For reasons people will understand :D
I really don't
I want it as well
For Research purposes?
I need it too :((
Does anyone have a link for the wallpaper 😇
i think performance is set by the manufacturers to protect their product from overheating.
this is why we need more videos like this
subscribed
Sir, your voice is so soothing it almost feels unreal.
8:04 So basically, the i7 throttled because of the limited Wattage. Give the i7 model about twice the Wattage (i.e 40W), and it could be a completely different story altogether.
Coming from a core 2 duo, both of these would be a massive upgrade
Just found your channel yesterday and I'm loving your videos, they have excellent analysis and production.
But I have to complain about the plots in this video, the constant switching of the i5 and i7 positions on the bar plots. Having to check which one was were every time a new plot was shown made it unnecessarily difficult to follow along the presentation while not adding any meaningful info to the visualization since the compassion of 2 items in trivial.
This is not like the GamerNexus's temperature ranks with 20-ish items to keep sorted (and even then they highlight each item they mention to assist the viewer), but a small comparison of a handful of items. With so few qualitative values it would have been better to keep them in a consistent position / color. You could have used red bars for the i5 to maintain the colors of the time series plots.
That's it, a small that you might consider in the future. Thank you all for this awesome content!
I think this is due to a bad design decision from razer, they could have allowed more power for the i7 chip to use its power
How do they compare?
Ryzen 5 4500U vs Ryzen 5 5500U vs i5 1135G4 vs i7 1165G7.
I'll just never buy a laptop with soldered memory.
Same here. I'm not a fan of gaming laptops but I might have to pick one next time, as they are now the only ones left with 2 RAM slots for most brands (except Dell which still provides non-gaming laptops with 2 RAM slots).
If it's already 32 gb of ram, i don't care
@@legionator even gaming start solder one slot so in next year or two all memory will be soldered
@@popokatapetl6995 Now that's horrible news to me. My laptop is 8 years old, so I might need a new one in a few years, but at this rate I'm not sure if I'll be able to get one with 2 RAM slots by then. It's ridiculous we are going backward by greedy manufacturers eliminating upgradable parts one after another when hardware keeps getting more powerful.
@@legionator I see your point
I have the i5 model which works for my use case. Just to share about the weight difference it is because one has a touch screen and the other does not.
Did you @ 10:03 mix those i5 and i7 up or is this correct?
Also. Please! If you do graphs - keep the placement consistent - i7 up and i5 down or vice versa but do not wiggle them around
Overall really good overview and fair amount of details included. Thanks!
It's correct. The i7 is faster
He is keeping the placement consistent, By keeping better ones on top
@@captainjake685 exactly, and that’s the problem. X and Y axis should remain consistent while the content changes. That’s how people read graphs.
True, the inconsistent position of the CPU's made more difficult to keep up with the analysis and plots, having to constantly check which one was where everytime a new plot showed up.
I ended up getting the 1135G7 over the 1165G7 when speccing my Yoga S7i 13. Not only did I get pretty much an identical processor, just with a slightly less beefy iGPU but I saved a good amount of coin. Nice.
Not to forget, a much better thermal performance
Absolutely agree with this review! I personally have i5 1135g7 but with 16 gigs of ram. It is almost on a par with i7 version and when it throttles in heavy load tasks the workink frequencies of both processors are pretty much the same. And battery mode is more suitable for gaming since there is no overheating as in plugin mode.
After increasing the power limit of my Ryzen 7 4750U to 35W I got more points in Cinebench R20 & R23 Multicore than a 10980HK...
are you using asus laptop?
@@talharoxen no, thinkpad t14 gen. 1 with ryzen controller
so and i5 and i7 are the same??? way to go INtel!!!!
@@falseprediction mate the differential was the number of cores of hyper threading
@@paulvancyber1979 it's the same story for their 11th gen desktop cpus, i7 and i9 has the same core and thread counts.
@@paulvancyber1979 no it wasnt. It was the extra cores on the gpu and cache taking more power which let the cpu clock higher on the i5
@@falseprediction nothing to do with Intel? Intel literally states that i7 base frequency is 400 Mhz higher, which, given the same TDP should mean that it clocks higher at maximum loads(binned chip), which we don't see here, so they are pretty much lying to their customers here, as they could have made the i7 clock higher than i5 at the same TDP, but even with noticeably higher price, it doesn't.
@@falseprediction critical thinking isn't a common thing these days, sadly.
I both love and hate the laptop market right now:
Want real Thunderbolt? Have to buy Intel.
Want the best all rounder? Get M1 Mac.
Get best value or gaming machine with the best performance? Get AMD.
Want all 3? Doesn't exist.
Yup. I'm looking for a video editing machine. I like windows, but AMD machines suffer from poor build quality, and intel will probably be out muscled the M1x chips.
@@BrohemianLifestyle The Asus Flex X13 was such a big swing and a miss. I wouldn't have minded the proprietary cable so much if it was a standard eGPU enclosure instead of a non-upgradable mobile GPU module. If Asus makes an enclosure in the future with that same connector, I'd take a second look at the Flex X13.
The Apple M1 is one helluva powerhouse and efficiency madness. Sadly, most x86 applications that I require for my studies (engineering stuff like STAAD, LinPro, GeoSlope, etc) aren't optimized or even available for use on their ARM platform (won't even work with Rosetta 2). Running cloud services also wasn't a choice here in my country. Ended up buying a Lenovo Legion 5 with a Ryzen 7 4800h instead, it's a VERY good chip... but not an all rounder for me (Perf + Batt). Plus optimization on apple's part pretty much makes the use of dedicated GPU a non necessity and I'm also not a gamer/using any heavy workloads outside of school stuff.
Sadly as you said, current laptop market aren't great. It'll take years for the ARM market to mature. Fingers crossed
@@hal9xxx321 Oh yeah, that's a shame. Your one of the few people that actually need Windows. How's the screen on your legion 5?
@UCqu6zXx3preuNGP6niWPOmg I'm looking forward to the Legion 5 Pro coming out next month. Let's see if Lenovo fixed those issues.
I like the wallpapers you have applied on your laptops from where you have downlaoded
That graph presentation is Amazing, simple and easy to understand.
I want those backgrounds
As a summary i5 is very close to i7 and i7 is very expensive so get the i5 but also try getting 16gb ram which most laptops r not providing so try finding one with 16gb ram and not 8 gb(i can recommend u hp pavilion x360 u can upgrade the ram unlike other manufacturers, literally no other company offers upgradable ram)
Correct, I am looking for an HP, Pavilion or Envy x360
And there's Just Josh who came up with a different conclusion.
The key point here is that Razer capped the power. This doesn't mean other manufacturers would use the same amounts. Just Josh compared two Dell XPS laptops and the i7 came out comfortably on top. He stated they initially drew 38W of power, where the graphs here show the Razer allowed 28W of initial power, which is the main difference. This is something I never would have thought to look for (not that I think you could) when shopping for a laptop.
Missed opportunity to have squirtle as the wallpaper on the other one
I am trying to understand why the i5 is maintaining a higher clock speed than the i7 in long workloads. Is it possible that the voltage for the i7 is higher than the i5, and since they both have to stay inside a 20 watt TDP, the i7 is having to throttle its frequency more to stay inside the TDP?
Normal for i7 laptop.
Abysmal long usage performance on thin laptop with bad vent. I had to limit cpu power to avoid problems.
It's crazy how i7 over i5 has been turning into a sham when talking about ultrabooks. Experiencing it since last 5 years. No way I'm getting a thin and light i7 laptop again.
Issue here is that unless you live in the US and have a good retailer around, it's near impossible to find the i5 with 16GB RAM SKUs anyway, so if you want higher end display and higher RAM, you default to i7 no matter what.
I've suspected there was little difference between the two for awhile. This and JustJosh's review of the HP Envy 14 confirmed that for me.
yes, for think chassis that has power/venting limits. it's a bit diff in the well-ventil. chassis and little power restrictions.
very insightful comparison, would be awesome to do the same comparison, showing 10th, 11th, and 12th Gen. Intel mobile laptop CPUs, with graphics, against AMD's 5000 and 6800 series setup
Good video, which illustrates how a PC manufacturers configuration choice can cripple the performance of i7 processor Vs its i5 counterpart. The new GPD Win 3 gaming handheld has two versions based on the exact same Intel Tiger Lake processors and both versions have 16 GB RAM, but the i7 was the clear winner on performance, except for the low power settings. The main difference between GPD and Razer is GPD allows you to adjust configuration of their devices CPU TDP in BIOS or using a utility such as QuickCPU, viz.15 - 20 W, 20 - 25 W or 25 - 28 W. Does QuickCPU work on the Razer Book 13?
Just a little suggestion, the graphs were all over the place. Stick to one spot for each processor, the graphs just kep shifting with 1165 on top (Legends) on one and 1135 on the other which felt annoying.
It will be far easier to judge which one is faster
Sorry, but if you a frequent reader of notebookcheck you will know that since a couple of years back i5 is always the better value and performing chip than i7. It always comes back to thermal cooling capacity. The solution, which is not always applicable is to use Intel XTU to undervolt or even underclock.
0:05 I wish I was bombarded with tons of options, I can have 3 flavors of i5 10210u where I'm at right now in the forms of some trashy HPs, Dells and a Lenovo for 550 bucks
Go for a Renoir ultra book, if possible. You’ll be happier with your choice.
Man the Lenovo ideapads are a big trash garbages, much better are HP and Dell notebooks than the shities Lenovo garbages!! And i say that for my experience with shitty ideapads🤮🤧
@@thimpap4564 cause they're cheap.
Your Explanation Style is Amazing...wow☺️
Thanks!
So Razer basically killed the i7 in this particular laptop model by enforcing a 20W limit.
I agree. This is not an Intel problem it's a Razer problem, in my opinion
i was Thinking to but Mi Notebook ultra nd some how i was confused about which one should i buy i5 or i7 but now I'll buy i5 😍..
Really great analysis, followed by great advice....thx
I love how I saw this video after buying an i7 laptop thinking it is more powerful and my laptop is more future-proofed.
Just got hp envy 15 inch with this i5 cpu today (it also has the i7 version). But it has 8 GB ram which thankfully is upgradable.
Hows the Hp envy 15 inch been?
Thanks this was helpful! I'm looking at LG Gram laptops with either i7-1165G7 or i5-1135G7 CPU's. Since I'm not a power user and both have 16Gb of RAM, I'm leaning toward i5. However, the i5 doesn't have a touchscreen, which seems silly to me.
Its looks like amd cpu are best choice
IF you can find one.....
@@HardwareCanucksthere's plenty of mobile ryzen to go around tho
@@jokiiiiiiii Sadly still in short supply BUT there are some good ones out there!
Well we don't have H series Intel yet techincally all the 11th gen intel on the market are low power thin and light chips but yeah AMD>10th gen H>11th Gen thin and light
Without a doubt
Differences in speed at any given power, especially sustained is all down to ASIC/quality/etc. of the CPU from the factory.. That i5 is likely requesting a decently lower VID (voltage) therefore less wattage is required for more speed vs the i7.. I've had two identical machines, both using the same i7 CPUs.. One was requesting lower VID and therefore boosting under sustained at at least 200mhz as well. This is why undervolt tuning is so important of which has been removed/taken away from a lot of machines these days :(
That's a great comprehensive review, Thanks.
You know the manufacturers are aware of this because of the way they're packaging Dedicated GPUs with these CPUs: You can often only get the "Ti" or top-tier GPU if you also get an i7. When in reality you really would want the dGPU with an i5, for the best price/performance combo. :-(
It's bizarre that the budget option is just as good if not a little better!
Thank you! That was very useful and the video was well made!
Thanks for your review and your take on the difference between the i5-1165G7 and the i71165G7. I debated over these two and with a new Laptop concept call Framework Laptop, which you can configure with up to 64 Gig and over 1 TB Drive. I have debated over the i5 or the i7and really do I spend over $350 to $400 to upgrade to the i7-1165G7. I personally think like in this video I am better to upgrade the RAM and save on the CPU. At least for my usage, it is not worth it right now. Plus the Framework Laptop you can upgrade the CPU later.
Saving that 300 now means when the AMD mobos come out you'll have a "free" 300 to go towards it!
Finally a video that addresses what I need to know right now!
It has weeks since I searching laptop to replace my old one, and 2021 is a year where a lot of options that makes it really hard to choose (at leqst for me) ..now after watching this review, I can't help but to reset my list, and starting put considerations for i5 too 😭 (would be easier if u just has budget to get top tier laptops) ..anyway, thank you for this, its 100% helpfull for us (the best value laptop hunters)
I am here for the wallpapers
Great video. Thanks. Would you consider doing a review on the Surface Pro 9 i5 vs i7? Or would I be correct in thinking it would be the same result?
It would be interesting to compare two laptops with i7 of the 11th generation, one with and the other without nvidia graphics card. Especially to see the performance in video encoding.
In some ways laptops, although giving huge advantages in the portable streaks and all in one convenience - they can be a poor substitute for a desktop.
If you're happy to have less convenience, an AiO system could be the reasonable compromise you can be happy with
where can I get those wallpapers??
dude has a great voice for these videos
Hey that was really informative .... Thanks buddy.. :)
Idk why I care to understand all these specific details but I'm 20 videos in and still interested
I wish they provide 16gb ram option with the i5 from razer
Where i can find that pikachu ?
You need to open a lot of pokeballs my son
Nice Analysis ; i need one quick advice. i need to take one laptop very soon. i found these choices. i would like to know which one is the better one to pick? 1) "i5 11th gen 16gb ddr4 with mx450 (gddr5)" hp pavilion eg series here in india (Vs) 2) "Ryzen 7 5700u" 8gb (4+4 ddr4 with 1 sodim slot to upgrade to 12gb) Asus flip 14 tm420ia (Vs) 3) "Ryzen 7 4800u" 8gb LPDDR4X (slim 7 4800u) which is the best choice among these three...??
MINDBLOWING ! Great job Sir.
I have that i7 in my Acer Aspire 3 paired with 20GB RAM and it's certainly snappy and a productivity powerhouse - it can also play games like LOL on max settings at 60fps like it's nothing. Looking at your video if I were someone else and I had gotten the i5 version I certainly wouldn't be bothered, seems to be a capable little chip, just maybe a little less futureproof.
i need that pikachu wallpaper
The Pikachu laptop wins automatically. Pokemon wallpaper doubles all performance. LOL
Pikachu was there to try to push more than 20W, but it seems like Intel struggles to deal with it.
Just like BMW 5 and 7. BMW 5 spend less fuel and it is easy to park, right
very clear voice nice explanation really love u r words , like u r deep dig into power consumption and temperature levels under workload but wants know the real time performance or loading speed comparison when opening or working on IDE (vs or any) can u please provide the comparison o that perspective bcz it is very much needed as no body checking on running IDEs . waiting for ur ans
i'm surprised nobody knew this except for hardware canucks. Another thing is the fact that in geekbench 5, from i5 to i7, the single core speed going up by 200 means that even super fin has its flaws and there is a lot more performance which they need to squeeze out in their ++++++++ nodes. Its not that 14nm was bad, 6th gen- 7th gen was a good increase considering they were on the same node and same architecture but improved that node.
2 years late but I have to say that there is a solution. First, the problem - The manufacturer sets the PL1 power limit of this laptop to 20W no matter if it's the i7 or the i5. The solution - Use ThrottleStop and set the PL1 limit to 25W or 28W (if the temps are below 80c). this will give the processor the power it needs - it will run at 3.5-3.6Ghz and not 2.5Ghz.
I wonder how the i7 model performs if Throttlestop / XTU is used to reduce the PL1/2 throttling / if the sustained TPD limit is increased
Hi, my HP Iris xe i5 laptop has 32 mb ram. Thanks for a great comparison.
I think the poor performance on the I 7 comes from the fact that Razer has limited the power consumed to 20w for both processors...
Exactly, Razer just fked it up. You wouldn't expect that from them...
Yeah that's what he said
cooling limitations, obviously. But Intel literally states that i7 base frequency is 400 Mhz higher, which, given the same TDP should mean that it clocks higher at maximum loads(binned chip), which we don't see here, so they are pretty much lying to their customers here, as they could have made the i7 clock higher than i5 at the same TDP, but even with noticeably higher price, it doesn't
Soo I guess it's time to return my Razer Book and find something else again. I feel like the power limit is because razer wanted the intel evo branding. They clearly have more headroom to push the CPU but they need to stay within a certain spec for the EVO designation. I could be totally wrong. Also the big price and weight different on the laptops isn't just the processor and ram but the touch screen on the i7 version.
if the 8 gb one is single channel it can effect the gameing performance in a big way since the igpu uses system ram
The RAM diff is the deal killer on the i5 for me. 8GB was adequate a decade ago for light usage, today, no way, that's just eight chrome tabs...
What world do you live in that chrome tabs are 500+ MB each?
@@sm1tty. you have a hard time with sarcasm, I see. Just saying, 8 gigs runs out fast for anyone who multitasks. I max out RAM on everything for this reason: future compatibility. I don't buy a new computer every two years, there is no need to at this time, the only things moving that fast are RAM usage and to some degree video rendering. What I spend this kind of money on, I expect to be relevant for five to ten years (upgradable as appropriate).
@@kaylaandjimbryant8258 I don’t think that word means what you think it means, but I understand
Im not tech savvy, can anyone explain their differences, pros and cons, and which one is better overall?
I guess total power to each is limited because of thermal constraints in laptops/notebooks and so both end up pretty much the same in terms of performance terms, much like having a 60mph speed limiter on a 3 litre twin turbo and a 1.6 litre normally aspirated engine, they both do 60mph. The efficient thermal design of the laptop is likely to be the limiting factor.
laptop computers does not come with upgradable options, liked the system spec comparison.
Clevo brand can be upgraded with desktop cpu
Thanks a lot for such a detailed analysis 👍🏻
I love that my new Samsung Galaxy Book Pro with intel i5 Evo ($850) with only 8GB RAM feels faster than my 3-year-old MSI GS65 gaming laptop ($2300) in every way except for gaming and maybe video editing (which I have never tried on either). I really don't see a reason to go for i7 Evo or a gaming laptop with RTX 3000 series if the pc is only for watching youtube, Word, and normal internet usage which 90% of people use their laptop for.