Here in Minnesota, the Registration Cost difference alone is reason enough to go with a F350 over 250/150, around $600-$900 savings per year depending on MSRP. That off-sets a bunch of fuel costs.
I took delivery of my F450 in Oct 2022, I ordered it it took 9 months. It's a bit of overkill but Man it pulls our Cyclone Toy Hauler like a dream. PayLoad is an under rated 4800lbs , It came with a 30,000 hitch option and the 5th wheel prep package standard . IMHO if your gonna pull an RV Trailer, Get a 5th wheel (pulls a lot better ) and Minimum an F350 powerstroke and consider Air lift to Keep you Level. Or just get the tighter turning F450 and call it a day.
Same for me. I have a 2018 F250 Platinum with payload at 2150. I bought a 5th wheel last year with hitch weight at 2000. The truck pulls the trailer with no issues, however I will be getting an F350 for the higher payload capacity.
Tell us your truck is overweight without telling us your truck is overweight.... A good hitch in the truck plus propane and batteries will put you overweight without anything else in the truck.
My f150 5.0 has the same payload. I pull a 32 foot tt. Hitch weight around 700 pounds. When I upgrade trucks, I’ll be getting the 350 Godzilla max tow package!
We were in the same situation, not future proofing. Just to test the torque of a gas vs. diesel truck, we test drove. It was no brainer, diesel f350 power stroke high out is the way to go. The Sierra Nevada mountains is like a walk in the park for this beast. Trade it in and got this, and we love it. FYI, a 48-gallon tank helps.
More bang for the buck with a 350. Better resale and the heavier build means better longevity. Maintenance costs are pretty much the same, cost of ownership in general is similar. To me the 350 is just a smarter buy. I’ve had both.
Not a whole lot of videos on this, thank you! I’d say for the little extra it costs (2-3k) with the 7.3 the F350 is worth it. Not a huge difference, but it’s there if you need it.
The diesel engine is the way to go if you’re even considering towing at your max GCWR. The additional weight is more than made up for in torque and efficiency under load. The bad part is the EPA BS and maintenance costs. I stopped buying gas 3/4 and 1 tons all together and have 3 diesel trucks; 2 1 tons and 1 3/4 ton.
You should weigh your combo. You said you were close to your max payload, I’d be more concerned about exceeding your rear axle rating. I believe the axle rating doesn’t change from gas vs diesel. But F-250 to 350 they do.
Depends on the year. Up until 2017 the F250 and F350SRW shared the same axles, the Sterling 10.5. Post 2017 the F350SRW now has the Dana M-275 which you can get in the F250 with the "max tow package". If not you still get the tried and true Sterling 10.5 which is used in F350s up until 2017.
So a gas engine setup weighs less than a diesel engine setup? And that'll affect payload/towing capabilities. Never thought of that...thanks for the insight.
Thr 6.7 diesel engine weight approx 925 pounds while the gas weights maybe 600 pounds depending in size of engine. To compare, thr Ram Cummins 6.7 weights about 1,200 pounds.
How fast do you tow? What about trailer sway. Passing semis, strong winds? Steep mountain passes?? Iv got a pull behind toy hauler its only 22ft and its sketch in windy days
If I am building a truck camper and going to upgrade suspension to something more off road from Carli than the need to tow or haul a heavy load. Should I go with 250 since changing suspension anyway?
Every comparison video is Ford. Why not Ram or GM/Chevy. The other 2 auto makers create the same classes of vehicles, or do they not have as much reliability or tow capacities as Ford? I don't own any of these large trucks, just wondering.
How about a F-250 that's identical to a F-350, except the fender badge and door stickers. The Super Duty Tremor package has the F-250 using the same everything that the F-350 has, it's just rated less!
Payload is a regulatory rating. Don't you think its odd until recently all 3/4 tons had a 10000 GCWR? RAWR is what you need to be concerned with. I base everything I can haul/tow on the RAWR, not payload rating.
Disimilar ? A good day to me is 1 where I learn a word in a disimilar language Now I thank you and leave with a ton of imfo thang u bro Good thing I have a three 50
I have a '85 F-250, 8600 GVW. It is the same as a F-350 except the registration and insurance is much less. It has the same engine (460) as the F-350 with NO cat and has a carb and dizzy. Dana 60 front and Dana 70 rear. Not a dually. BTW it is a High Boy 4x4 with a T-19 4-speed. I built the engine for low end pulling with 250HP at the rear tires (4,000' elevation) and 350 TQ at cruising RPM on regular gasoline. Going slow in the rocks is the key to not breaking stuff or the cab over camper. It pulls strongly from 800 RPM idle to highway speeds in 4th gear. The Eddie AVS2 off road carb is great for low RPM.
Great video. I have a 23 250 7.3. Pull 10k even high altitudes here in co. I also have plow and camper package which has helper spring and rear sway bar. The 350 rides allot rougher. Get the 250 with plow and camper package. Take care
@@itiswhatitis2008xlt plow and camper package has heavier springs in front and helper spring and sway bar in rear. Also I have 2 inch receiver in front end bumper
I have a '24 F250 with the 7.3L gas and 4.30 rear axle. The rating for the rear axle is the same as the one shown in your video @ 6430 lbs, but the front axle is rated at 4800 lbs, increasing the overall payload capacity to 3439 lbs. It has 10500 overall GVWR. But, to your point, even with the larger diameter axle from the F350 that you get by going to the 4.30 gearing, Ford does not increase the rear axle carrying capacity, but rather the front axle. If I remember correctly, going to the 4.30 axle added the > 10000 lbs GVWR feature, which gets you to 10500 GVWR. You would think the larger axle would increase the rear axle capacity, but it's obvious that a lot of this is marketing and positioning. They could easily do away with the F250 and/or F350 and combine them given how close they are in ratings these days, but with all the various state laws and the market pricing, etc they keep the F250 to fill that 'almost-there' niche I guess.
Their are SRW F350 that have over 7,000lb rear axles rating, but its not because the axle is bigger its the spring rating. Same as yours, your front axles doesn’t increase the GVWR, it the front spring rating that does. Your front axles is the same Dana 60 thats in all Super Duties. That didnt change. Same goes with the rear axles, GVWR is determined by axles. The Sterling 10.5 is rated for 9,000 lbs. , pretty much just depends on spring ratings for GVWR when it comes to SD, sometimes there are other mitigating factors such as wheel and tire ratings but that what it pretty much boils down too.
@@saltytripsyour video explains what so many people overlook when buying super duty trucks. It’s the configuration that heavily dictates how much of your truck’s potential you can actually use
Great comparison. I just bought a Chevy 2500 High Country with the Duramax Diesel. Chevy offers an NHT package for the 2500 that basically gives you the 1 ton equipment. 1 ton springs, rear, axle, shocks, and frame. I opted to get this package for 2 reasons. 1 - I gain extra capacity and 2 - I save a lot on registration. PA is very pricey when you go from 3/4 ton to 1 ton. I have the same exact trailer as you and I am sure I have more than enough to tow it.
@@saltytrips 21,600 / 9,798 That is what it shows on the Website with the NHT. I get it next week and I can get an exact weight from the door sticker for you.
I went with the High Country only because the dealer gave me a price that I could not turn down. I currently have a Ford but, wanted something new since we are planning to travel a lot. The difference between ordering one and getting this one was minimal. We are retired and spending the kids inheritance money! lol
@@saltytrips you are 100% correct. Over the last 40+ years of owning Ford trucks, I can say the only difference in the last 10 years is the rear overload. I believe the 2015 or 2016 F350 may have had a ever so slight different front differential on the 4x4 part number; but for at least the last 6-+ years they are part for part exactly the same except the 1 overload leaf spring & the badging (F250 or F350). The F250 Tremor does have the F350 rear leaf pack. I owned a 2015 and now a 2021F350 7.3l.
The trimmer F250 has a softer spring load and a regular F250 XLT depending on the cab of a basic XL model my cost in 2023 who is 63,000$ 6.7 Hp I made the order in November and received it in April 1923 I can tell you I have a truck camper on top of it and I have seen an XLT 250 with the same truck camper that has to have airbags on the back and it’s a totally different truck and towing handling and payload
IMO, there is no reason to make a f250-2500, same drivetrain, same size, same parking issues, better payload in the f350-3500. done! get the f350-3500.
Here in Minnesota, the Registration Cost difference alone is reason enough to go with a F350 over 250/150, around $600-$900 savings per year depending on MSRP. That off-sets a bunch of fuel costs.
I took delivery of my F450 in Oct 2022, I ordered it it took 9 months.
It's a bit of overkill but Man it pulls our Cyclone Toy Hauler like a dream. PayLoad is an under rated 4800lbs , It came with a 30,000 hitch option and the 5th wheel prep package standard .
IMHO if your gonna pull an RV Trailer, Get a 5th wheel (pulls a lot better ) and Minimum an F350 powerstroke and consider Air lift to Keep you Level. Or just get the tighter turning F450 and call it a day.
350 dually payload 7.k
even though i'm not getting a F250, this video really helps me with what F350 i'm going to order. Thank you and good day to you
Same for me. I have a 2018 F250 Platinum with payload at 2150. I bought a 5th wheel last year with hitch weight at 2000. The truck pulls the trailer with no issues, however I will be getting an F350 for the higher payload capacity.
Tell us your truck is overweight without telling us your truck is overweight....
A good hitch in the truck plus propane and batteries will put you overweight without anything else in the truck.
My f150 5.0 has the same payload. I pull a 32 foot tt. Hitch weight around 700 pounds. When I upgrade trucks, I’ll be getting the 350 Godzilla max tow package!
We were in the same situation, not future proofing. Just to test the torque of a gas vs. diesel truck, we test drove. It was no brainer, diesel f350 power stroke high out is the way to go. The Sierra Nevada mountains is like a walk in the park for this beast. Trade it in and got this, and we love it. FYI, a 48-gallon tank helps.
Thank you for the information! Very good discussion.
More bang for the buck with a 350. Better resale and the heavier build means better longevity. Maintenance costs are pretty much the same, cost of ownership in general is similar. To me the 350 is just a smarter buy. I’ve had both.
Ordered a F350 in May and it’s on its way. It was $600 more to get the F350 over the 250. No brainer.
Thanks for pointing out all the delemas in towing with a F250 or F350, or 3/4 or4 one ton truck.
I want a f250 7.3 with 3.73 gearing. Preferably a 23. However the prices are nuts for these things.
Prices are definitely ridiculous
Why the 3.73?
Not a whole lot of videos on this, thank you! I’d say for the little extra it costs (2-3k) with the 7.3 the F350 is worth it. Not a huge difference, but it’s there if you need it.
350 with the Godzilla will be my next truck! I pull with a 150 5.0 currently. 9k tow capacity, 2k payload.
Ford does heavy towing packages.
You'll pay an extra $10k to basically turn your f250 into a f350.
The diesel engine is the way to go if you’re even considering towing at your max GCWR. The additional weight is more than made up for in torque and efficiency under load. The bad part is the EPA BS and maintenance costs. I stopped buying gas 3/4 and 1 tons all together and have 3 diesel trucks; 2 1 tons and 1 3/4 ton.
It's about 1k more for the 250 that's why I went with the F350 4wd
You should weigh your combo. You said you were close to your max payload, I’d be more concerned about exceeding your rear axle rating. I believe the axle rating doesn’t change from gas vs diesel. But F-250 to 350 they do.
F350 GAWR in the rear is about 1,100 lbs more than the F250.
Depends on the year. Up until 2017 the F250 and F350SRW shared the same axles, the Sterling 10.5. Post 2017 the F350SRW now has the Dana M-275 which you can get in the F250 with the "max tow package". If not you still get the tried and true Sterling 10.5 which is used in F350s up until 2017.
So a gas engine setup weighs less than a diesel engine setup? And that'll affect payload/towing capabilities. Never thought of that...thanks for the insight.
Thr 6.7 diesel engine weight approx 925 pounds while the gas weights maybe 600 pounds depending in size of engine. To compare, thr Ram Cummins 6.7 weights about 1,200 pounds.
Nice video thansk
How fast do you tow? What about trailer sway. Passing semis, strong winds? Steep mountain passes?? Iv got a pull behind toy hauler its only 22ft and its sketch in windy days
You answered your own question…TOW BEHIND …if you want to get rid of the sway go 5th wheel
If I am building a truck camper and going to upgrade suspension to something more off road from Carli than the need to tow or haul a heavy load. Should I go with 250 since changing suspension anyway?
@@Mcknido_ i would buy the truck that is rated for the weight you want to carry.
Cdl go diesel. Non cdl gas.
Every comparison video is Ford. Why not Ram or GM/Chevy. The other 2 auto makers create the same classes of vehicles, or do they not have as much reliability or tow capacities as Ford? I don't own any of these large trucks, just wondering.
@@reloadnorth7722 pretty much the same story with all the manufacturers, just a few different nuances
How about a F-250 that's identical to a F-350, except the fender badge and door stickers. The Super Duty Tremor package has the F-250 using the same everything that the F-350 has, it's just rated less!
Why opt for the lower rating at that point? Rating determines if you are legal or not.
@@rich7447 I wanted the engine, every other Tremor I could find was a diesel!
Payload is a regulatory rating. Don't you think its odd until recently all 3/4 tons had a 10000 GCWR? RAWR is what you need to be concerned with. I base everything I can haul/tow on the RAWR, not payload rating.
Disimilar ?
A good day to me is 1 where I learn a word in a disimilar language
Now I thank you and leave with a ton of imfo thang u bro
Good thing I have a three 50
I have a '85 F-250, 8600 GVW. It is the same as a F-350 except the registration and insurance is much less. It has the same engine (460) as the F-350 with NO cat and has a carb and dizzy. Dana 60 front and Dana 70 rear. Not a dually. BTW it is a High Boy 4x4 with a T-19 4-speed. I built the engine for low end pulling with 250HP at the rear tires (4,000' elevation) and 350 TQ at cruising RPM on regular gasoline. Going slow in the rocks is the key to not breaking stuff or the cab over camper. It pulls strongly from 800 RPM idle to highway speeds in 4th gear. The Eddie AVS2 off road carb is great for low RPM.
Good video. Thank you. 🙏
Great video. I have a 23 250 7.3. Pull 10k even high altitudes here in co. I also have plow and camper package which has helper spring and rear sway bar. The 350 rides allot rougher. Get the 250 with plow and camper package. Take care
F350 will still have higher GVWR rating which means more payload capacity. Trading in my F250 for another F250 would be pretty much pointless.
What is camper pack. Better leaf springs?
@@itiswhatitis2008xlt camper pack just mean you get an over load spring and rear sway bar.
@@itiswhatitis2008xlt plow and camper package has heavier springs in front and helper spring and sway bar in rear. Also I have 2 inch receiver in front end bumper
Are the frames the same? Good video.
@@erneumann3136 yes
My 2023 F350 super duty king ranch is the best truck I ever drove. Diesel 6.7 turbo. Hauls ass😂❤❤❤❤
I believe that starting in 2017 the transmission is different as well.
I have a '24 F250 with the 7.3L gas and 4.30 rear axle. The rating for the rear axle is the same as the one shown in your video @ 6430 lbs, but the front axle is rated at 4800 lbs, increasing the overall payload capacity to 3439 lbs. It has 10500 overall GVWR. But, to your point, even with the larger diameter axle from the F350 that you get by going to the 4.30 gearing, Ford does not increase the rear axle carrying capacity, but rather the front axle. If I remember correctly, going to the 4.30 axle added the > 10000 lbs GVWR feature, which gets you to 10500 GVWR. You would think the larger axle would increase the rear axle capacity, but it's obvious that a lot of this is marketing and positioning. They could easily do away with the F250 and/or F350 and combine them given how close they are in ratings these days, but with all the various state laws and the market pricing, etc they keep the F250 to fill that 'almost-there' niche I guess.
Their are SRW F350 that have over 7,000lb rear axles rating, but its not because the axle is bigger its the spring rating. Same as yours, your front axles doesn’t increase the GVWR, it the front spring rating that does. Your front axles is the same Dana 60 thats in all Super Duties. That didnt change. Same goes with the rear axles, GVWR is determined by axles. The Sterling 10.5 is rated for 9,000 lbs. , pretty much just depends on spring ratings for GVWR when it comes to SD, sometimes there are other mitigating factors such as wheel and tire ratings but that what it pretty much boils down too.
@@saltytripsyour video explains what so many people overlook when buying super duty trucks. It’s the configuration that heavily dictates how much of your truck’s potential you can actually use
Tremor suspension (springs&shocks) is softer for off-roading so payload is less
Incorrect, part numbers are exactly the same for the F250 Tremor and an F350 springs. Look up the part numbers
so it sounds like i need to trade my 21 250 xlt for a diesel tremor
😂😂😂😂
Great comparison. I just bought a Chevy 2500 High Country with the Duramax Diesel. Chevy offers an NHT package for the 2500 that basically gives you the 1 ton equipment. 1 ton springs, rear, axle, shocks, and frame. I opted to get this package for 2 reasons. 1 - I gain extra capacity and 2 - I save a lot on registration. PA is very pricey when you go from 3/4 ton to 1 ton. I have the same exact trailer as you and I am sure I have more than enough to tow it.
Whats the payload on that 2500 diesel?
@@saltytrips 21,600 / 9,798 That is what it shows on the Website with the NHT. I get it next week and I can get an exact weight from the door sticker for you.
I went with the High Country only because the dealer gave me a price that I could not turn down. I currently have a Ford but, wanted something new since we are planning to travel a lot. The difference between ordering one and getting this one was minimal. We are retired and spending the kids inheritance money! lol
@@davesauerzopf6980 enjoy it, its all about making memories 👍
The F250 and F3 50 are totally two different animals
I think personally you would’ve been off with an F150
🤣😂 literally the only difference is the rear spring packs, look up the part numbers, everything else is exactly the same 🤦♂️
@@saltytrips you are 100% correct. Over the last 40+ years of owning Ford trucks, I can say the only difference in the last 10 years is the rear overload. I believe the 2015 or 2016 F350 may have had a ever so slight different front differential on the 4x4 part number; but for at least the last 6-+ years they are part for part exactly the same except the 1 overload leaf spring & the badging (F250 or F350). The F250 Tremor does have the F350 rear leaf pack. I owned a 2015 and now a 2021F350 7.3l.
The trimmer F250 has a softer spring load and a regular F250 XLT depending on the cab of a basic XL model my cost in 2023 who is 63,000$ 6.7 Hp I made the order in November and received it in April 1923 I can tell you I have a truck camper on top of it and I have seen an XLT 250 with the same truck camper that has to have airbags on the back and it’s a totally different truck and towing handling and payload
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IMO, there is no reason to make a f250-2500, same drivetrain, same size, same parking issues, better payload in the f350-3500. done! get the f350-3500.