I feel slight sympathy for Hartmann. Sure, he was bullying the crap out of Pyle (and that backfired after all), but he was just doing his job and he was able to recognize courage or skill. He promoted Joker to squad leader because Joker proved he has enough courage to stand up to him. Although he humiliated Pyle on the daily basis, he appreciated his marksmanship. His job was to make bunch of regular young dudes into efficient Marines able to survive in jungle, and that cannot be done easily I suppose.
Well duh Marine corps drill sergeants are all hard asses like that If they see someone even hesitate they will select him out and bully him until he quits because the marines don't take quitters. And if you hesitate then you'll hesitate when it really matters Like he was saying with the killing at the moment of truth.
+RayPall I think the movie tried to portray not the bullying or the madness of the army BUT the deep evilness that a human being could have; Pyle looked like a fat clumsy guy but inside it was a hard killer psychopath...
+RayPall Yup, I agree. Hartmann shouldn't have been killed. He was a typical DI, not a psycho and it kind of ended the first half of the movie on an off note. Besides which, it would have been impossible for Pyle to get ammo and they had already graduated, no one would still be in the barracks anyway. I just view Hartmann's death as a dream sequence, it didn't happen because it didn't make sense and couldn't have happened.
What's really cool is that the magazine Pyle removes from his rifle still had rounds in it. Kind of setting up how he came to have a loaded rifle in the bathroom.
Heck yea I jus came here after seeing a post on Facebook about Pyle’s setting aside of ammunition setting up his murder suicide later on in the barracks. Fatal Foreshadowing on Weird History’ page
The Hazel Raven because it's the one thing he's good at? I guess that's foreshadowing not really. Foreshadowing would be like "Don't point that rifle at me Pvt. Pyle"
0:57 I'm well aware this is obvious foreshadowing to Pyle's murder-suicide, but I've always thought it was really poignant for other reasons. It shows Hartman really did care about Pyle, and his brutal tactics were in an effort to make him the best soldier he could be.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. My heart kind of sank when Hartman said his shooting was outstanding, both because I was in a sense happy for Pyle for finally achieving something, but it's also a very tragic scene once you know how it all ends for the both of them. You can really see how much Hartman enjoyed seeing this (as much as he could possibly show), because he cared for Pyle and he wanted him to succeed.
I saw something that said this scene shows Pyle set aside a magazine with live rounds in it. I can't tell if it's rounds that are in that magazine or if it's the follower that we see. I think this video might just be a little too grainy to see.
@miked172 those are rounds. Not sure what a follower is, but after the bullet is fired, the magazine pushes the casing out... I saw the same meme on Facebook too heh heh
@@jaybyhop I could be wrong on the name, but when I said follower, I was referring to the plastic piece that separates the spring from the bullets. It's got the bullet-shaped bump that indicates which way the rounds are loaded, ensures they get loaded properly, and stops the bolt to the rear after the last round has been fired. I thought it was called a follower.
It was also not Pyle's fault that he couldn't handle it. Some people are simply not strong enough. The mistake here was putting him in that situation, or more precisely, not recognizing that he's not managing and needs to be pulled out of there.
A Marine's ability to shoot true is the single most important skill they have, every Marine has to re-qualify with the rifle every year just to keep going. So Hartmann telling Pyle he's good at shooting isn't just a minor compliment, it means he's got the essential aptitude he must have. Everything else is secondary.
That's what I trained with. Never fired an M-16. Never saw an M-14 in Vietnam and still never fired an M-16. As a pilot, I was only issued a .45 pistol. But I was also issued a Cobra to make u for it.
@@gijoe5372 beg to differ with you GI Joe the 5.56 or as I call it the military version of the two to three it's only good for shooting coyotes or as the M14 which shoots the 7.62 millimeter or as I affectionately called the military version of the 308 cartridge can stop a brown bear so if it comes right down to actuality my friend I'll take the M14 any day of the week compared to the M16 which is by means a piece of crap they have a tendency to jam when there's a little bit of sand kicked into the M16s barrel and bits and pieces of receiver has a tendency to jam up not function properly where is the M14 you could clean it much faster than you can with the M16!
@@garyquail2347 If your complaint about the M16 is that it jams due to dirt and sand then why would you prefer an M14? The AR-15 is very well sealed and prevents dirt from getting in the action, the Garand style action on the M14 has a huge open slot in the receiver for dirt in get in and jam the rifle. Also, you said the M16 jams when sand gets in the barrel. If that much sand is making its way from the end of the barrel into the chamber and action of the gun you have bigger problems than a jam, I.E. a bore obstruction. That's not the gun's fault. Its also false that you can clean an M14 much faster than an M16. In order to remove the bolt of an M14 you have to remove the action from the wood stock. On the M16 you just have to push out a captive pin to separate the upper and lower receivers. From your comment you sound like either a young kid or some old fudd perpetuating fuddlore. Considering this is RUclips, I bet you're younger, and so I would advise you to not believe myths over facts.
Went through the Army version in 1981. Similar but some differences. The Screaming . yelling, insults (which we doggies call the 'shark attack") tended to die down after about the 4th week.
This was based on 60s Marines. The attitude didn’t let up until you graduated from boot. They were relentless back then. And you didn’t have ANY rights vs today. Back then they would make your life a living hell if you didn’t advance through training correctly.
@@dontask6863 I graduated from MCRD Parris Island in 1982, there was no "letting up" during the entire 13 weeks of basic training. This movie nails the entire experience, nothing comes closer to the actual experience.
I didn’t say there was letting up. If you read, I said “didn’t let up”. Unlike today where they have to basically ask permission to yell. I was saying back then, our military was much more serious about military combat readiness and didn’t give a flying shit about your feelings unlike today.
I graduated MCRD San Diego in 1980, and I know for a fact that it was not as serious as in the 1960's. They did away with almost all the quonset huts, there were no sand buckets, swagger sticks, deep mud pits, and there was 'far less' hands on discipline by the DI's. In fact the only time I knew of rough housing, it cost one of my DI''s his campaign cover. But they still let loose with a constant barrage of colorful metaphors, and catching spit in your face was routine. I never stopped laughing during the first half of this movie in 1986.
Full Metal Jacket had moments of comedy or divined as comedy probably in boot camp, however, I never experienced fun or comedy while in combat. Some combatants may have found something funny, however, I did not. It may be the type of combat I was in that was too chilling and adrenaline pumping to allow for a moment of comedy. For decades I did not watch movies about the Vietnam War. I had been there and did not need to see it on screen, and the vast majority of movies told stories only to make money and cared nothing for truth or accuracy. We Were Soldiers was accurate, however, the real battle was far more horrifying than the movie could depict.
@whitetruck76 The M14 has an effective range of 800 yards. The Marines use the M16A4 and the Army uses the M4. The M14 fires a much larger bullet than the M16. The M14 is about two pounds heavier and has a more limited magazine capacity. The M14 has more power and effective range, but you can carry more rounds with an M16 and the M16 is more controllable in full auto mode. Civilians can buy semi-auto versions of both weapons. The M14 is still in service as a designated marksman rifle.
That was intended, it's foreshadowing. Hartman commends Pyle's marksmanship with his rifle, and given how they treat their rifles in the movie, it's likely that same rifle that kills Hartman.
I'm a trauma medic and have treated GSWs (gunshot wounds). The 5.56mm can be very damaging to tissue, but its effect is based on tumbling, which widens the wound channel, and on the shock wave produced by the high velocity. It is also effective if it fragments. However, there is no comparison to the enormous energy deposited in the target by a .308/7.62x51 vs. the much smaller 5.56. To be blunt, both will kill you - but the larger round will do it faster/more-reliably, and it isn't even close.
I'm not sure, but I think this scene (on the video tape and DVD) is different from the original? I saw it in the theatre in 1987, and I remember him watching the target through binoculars as Pyle shot. When finished, he keeps looking at the target for a second, yells out "Five bulls-eyes!" then lowers the binoculars and says "Outstanding, Private Pyle!" Does anyone else remember it like that?
Actually yeah I remember that. It was playing on the TV when I was younger and I remember that scene but had no idea what it was cuz wasnt paying much attention lol
When you realize Private Pyle is only a skilled marksman because he is imagining blowing his Drill sergeants brains out the back of his head with every shot. I mean, spoiler alert.
Great movie about pushing a person to reach his full potential and about pushing him over the edge. Combat will also do both. Better have the right frame of mind when entering the military.
In the late 1950s, US Marines were categorised at three levels of shooting ability, according to the scores they achieved at a standardised test of their accuracy: Expert: a score of 220 to 250. Sharpshooter: 210 to 219. Marksman: 190 to 209. In December 1956, after a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period Lee Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’. In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.
This film shows the exact true representation of my life for 8 weeks in Basic Combat Training. The barracks , the training fields, the obstacles, the drill sergeants, the day and night happening are perfectly described and illustrate perfectly what it was like in 1976, shown so civilians can see for herself. :)
This was filmed at Bassingborne barracks in Cambridgeshire U.K. , this is the rifle range I actually learnt how to shoot when I joined the British army ..those were the days ...😁👍🇬🇧
When I was an instructor for the marksmanship training unit for the 82nd Airborne Division, we used to take the best shooters in Division and train them up to the standards of a Marine straight out of boot camp.
I requested to go to Parris island. Rife range was an incredible experience. I shot expert, and loved the comprehension that if i had to shot at someone at 500 yds. they would be a dead man! Back then we were issued the M16A2, this weapon had the ability to shoot a three round burst. I will never forget boot camp at Parris Island!
I agree. The 7.62NATO is a full rifle shell and it was conceived to replace the larger cased .30-06, which it actually did fairly well. Both of these .30cal service rounds are great even today, for their range and stopping power. But considering the nature of most engagements being close quarter & urban, the 5.56NATO is better suited for the task (no energy loss or tumble due to range). For me, personally, I still prefer the full rifle shell 7.62NATO.
At the end of this scene, you can see that PVT Pyle had already begun collecting spare ammunition. You can see when he removes the spent MAG, that it wasn't actually empty.
I remember the first time I went to the range during my military years and how I was surprised in seeing how actually inaccurate were the guns at 100m and 150m, especially the 7.62mm rounds. Some would visibly fly off target like curve balls from a pitcher....probably it was because of the heavy use the guns were being put trough during boot camp.
@@ObamaFromKenya Nope, I'm Italian, served in II/V DOA of Brg. SanMarco in the '90s, we were fully NATO qualified Tier2-3. Took part in operations in Albania/Kosovo back then along with French Legiòn and people from US 82° Airborne, mostly escorting the bulk humanitarian furbishments from the port of Valona deep into hostile territory. DOA which was a recon group is now called 1st Assault Company "Bafile". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marco_Marine_Brigade
The rifle that are used in boot camp are so used that barrels are so damaged. Thats why the accuracy was bad. I used brand new AKM 7.62x39 I hit nice tight groups easly only with iron sights. i also used G36 couldnt hit jack shit. I aimed good but groupings where all over the place. The rifle was so worn out thats why I couldnt hit. Other than that brand new g36 is exellent.
Anyone who was in the Queens Division, R.E.M.E , and Royal signals should really know this range, Bassingbourn barracks, Really brings back memories of June 97
Man, I was pretty confused when I realized that M16 was adopted by the US Army only in the mid-60s. I mean, Soviet Army had AK47 since 1949. Was USSR really ahead in terms of armaments?
@@vladurban6036 And AK47 is just a modified STG44 from 1944 on the german side. They basically still use the AK model today. So no, not ahead, just stolen over generations.
A wonderful character trait about the riffle range scenes is that Hartman is noticeably softer on the marines, gun control is important and he clearly recognises this, so whilst he’s still hard on them he tolerates more things so they can still remain focused
i wouldnt say "tolerates more" but he definitely uses a softer tone, since there is no need to produce unnecessary animosity ifyou hand someone a loaded rifle.... and about 5 minutes later in the movie we get shown why its a bad idea to antagonize the guy with the gun
@whitetruck76 I have no idea of the effective range, the modern Marine uses the M16, the Army uses the M16, but both branches can use the weapon as a DMR platform. The difference in the M14 and M16 are it's caliber among others. A civilian can buy Semi-Automatic variants of the M16 and M14, although both are labled differently from it's military counterpart.
1982 Second Battalion Parris Island, firing an M16A1 at 500 meters with open sights, at the "baker target", never forget. Gunny said from today until the day you die, every Marine is your brother. I Honor and respect all that serve or have served Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard. Semper Fi.
Pyle didnt die. That whole suicide scene was a dream sequence. Animal Mother IS Pyle. The message that was conveyed is that shitbags during bootcamp usually do make the best grunts. Still true to this day.
As most know this was filmed in the UK and that rifle range is still there and in regular use, just west of Cambridge north of a village called Barton.....Been past it many times...
Thats why its called Barton Road Range ! one of a handfull now that reaches 1000 yards plus in the UK, privelidged to say ive fired rounds from the very same firing point ;)
If you’ve ever been in a place where the person in charge of you yells like that (like boot camp or if you want to be less extreme, football camp) getting a compliment like that feels like the highlight of your year
For starters, thats going to do nothing, because Felipe and Jakim aren't going to turn in their "scary weapons". Also do you smoke bath salts? Hunting rifles are chambered in rounds like .270, .308, .30-06, or even .410 or far greater, which are SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful then small calibre rifle cartridges like the .223, in the AR-15 Rifle. Automatic rifles and explosives are very rarely used in crimes. Handguns attribute to a bulk of gun violence statistics.
@GooglFascists The battleship's main weapon were properly referred to as naval rifles. Only mortors and howitzers can be referred to as guns but mortors are typically referred to as tubes.
what I heard was he was a technical adviser and no actors could play the part of a D.I. when I saw this I knew those were real D.I's no one else can sign and talk like that.
@@lestermount3287 I read somewhere that the actor who played the psycho helicopter gunner was the original choice as Hartman. Using the technical adviser as an actor instead was apparently a last minute choice by Kubrick.
Because the M16 was much more controllable in fully automatic fire, lighter, and smaller ammunition meant more could be carried. In modern infantry combat firepower is more important that long range accuracy due to shorter engagement ranges.
One of the most important scenes of the movie and the key to understand the two parts of it. The scene shows that Hartman is a fair Drill Sergeant after all. Pile is "outstanding" at shooting. He could have become a sniper if he hadn't killed himself (which does not make sense really because he does it after he has passed the boot camp). Pile would have made a good sniper. And what does the platoon lack when they get under fire by a sniper? See. Here's the bridge.
@@stevekaczynski3793 he isnt insane, he snapped. Big difference, insanity would imply you have a mental issue that makes you "abnormal" and hinders you from leading a normal respectfull life. Leonard was broken and instead of getting cameradery from his platoon he gets "disciplined" he was left in a place where it felt like literally nobody cared about him. The only "friend" he had who treated him SOMEWHAT normally, joker, was forced to choose that one night, while pyle was strapped to the bed. Now i am aware pyle was also aware of the situation since joker was forced to choose on the spot and didnt want to go through with it at first but chose to do so against his better judgement to save his ass from the bigger mob. Which i personally feel like is one of (if not the only reason) pyle let him walk off after he killed gunny. But what im saying is he was a fairly normal individual at first, maybe not the brightest, but a decent person i would assume. The thing that made him go postal was the constant belittlement, ridicule and parading of his mistakes, and when that didnt make him improve it was suggested he get "disciplined" by his fellow soldier by making everyone else bear his punishment. Now imagine you have some dude youre not allowed to talk back to scream and shout abuse at you all day and instead of getting support from your peers you get further punished by them. I think it is fairly important to also say, he pocketed the ammo during this scene, meaning he didnt just decide after bootcamp he was gonna off himself, the whole thing was planned beforehand, the only thing that just doesnt really add up for me is "was he only gonna off himself and just capped hartmann because he was just there and he seized the moment, or was he planning on luring hartmann into the bathroom to kill him THROUGH the nightguard of the current night" (also yes i know an insanity plea exists where its basically "temporary insanity" but c´mon... thats having a meltdown or "snapping", actual INSANITY is doing the exact same FUCKING thing over, and over again.....expecting, shit to change... i had to)
They found something Pyle's good at, alright.
*FRIENDLY FIRE.*
Xenoforge78 too right, friendly fire is a U.S. Speciality, especially the Airforce.
lmao funny shit man
That wasn't friendly fire, that was fat ass going psycho.
Xenoforge78 lmao
nice shot, that was my ASS!
"Marines are not allowed to die without permission." Best quote ever
Borrowed with the appropriate changes from Mad magazine's send-up of Cool Hand Luke (Blue Eyed Kook).
RivalsAirsoft3 "no marine is allowed to die without permission" no wonder that drill sergeant is so old
Wait that makes no sense, then who grants permission ?
Lauren my best guess is God
And its true
I feel slight sympathy for Hartmann. Sure, he was bullying the crap out of Pyle (and that backfired after all), but he was just doing his job and he was able to recognize courage or skill. He promoted Joker to squad leader because Joker proved he has enough courage to stand up to him. Although he humiliated Pyle on the daily basis, he appreciated his marksmanship.
His job was to make bunch of regular young dudes into efficient Marines able to survive in jungle, and that cannot be done easily I suppose.
Well duh
Marine corps drill sergeants are all hard asses like that
If they see someone even hesitate they will select him out and bully him until he quits because the marines don't take quitters.
And if you hesitate then you'll hesitate when it really matters
Like he was saying with the killing at the moment of truth.
+Percy Jackson "marine corps drill sergeants"
+RayPall I think the movie tried to portray not the bullying or the madness of the army BUT the deep evilness that a human being could have; Pyle looked like a fat clumsy guy but inside it was a hard killer psychopath...
WSD
"madness of the army"
+RayPall Yup, I agree. Hartmann shouldn't have been killed. He was a typical DI, not a psycho and it kind of ended the first half of the movie on an off note. Besides which, it would have been impossible for Pyle to get ammo and they had already graduated, no one would still be in the barracks anyway.
I just view Hartmann's death as a dream sequence, it didn't happen because it didn't make sense and couldn't have happened.
''You will become dead marines. And THEN, you will be in a world of shit''
Gotta love Hartman.....
That's why I came to this video I love that part
I think Joker uses that line later.
Was some foreshadowing for later
@@LordTalax both Joker and Pyle use it later
What's really cool is that the magazine Pyle removes from his rifle still had rounds in it. Kind of setting up how he came to have a loaded rifle in the bathroom.
oh my god
Bruh 🤣
@Illegal Duck duckie are you saying he smuggled that magazine back to the barracks 😱😱
Heck yea I jus came here after seeing a post on Facebook about Pyle’s setting aside of ammunition setting up his murder suicide later on in the barracks. Fatal Foreshadowing on Weird History’ page
I missed that, but damn, good observation!
Great foreshadowing at the end
Brandon Carmichael how? he shot him at point blank range...
That's crazy
crosshairs3 u don't get it. It's what they said to each other
The Hazel Raven because it's the one thing he's good at? I guess that's foreshadowing not really. Foreshadowing would be like "Don't point that rifle at me Pvt. Pyle"
Creepy!
Another good quote from this movie is “ a rifle is just a tool, it’s a hard heart that kills” , so true in my opinion
This is the line I searched for to find this clip
@@CaptainLazerus The marxist communist criminals don't like that truth because they know its their ass we're coming after with that very tool.
It’s such a good quote bc it’s so true. The gun itself doesn’t kill, it’s the person who pulls the trigger. One of my favorite quotes of all time
@@DasBoot659 well no shit
@@manurocker1 it’s bc there’s lots of people who say “Guns kill people” when in reality it’s people who kill people
0:57 I'm well aware this is obvious foreshadowing to Pyle's murder-suicide, but I've always thought it was really poignant for other reasons. It shows Hartman really did care about Pyle, and his brutal tactics were in an effort to make him the best soldier he could be.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. My heart kind of sank when Hartman said his shooting was outstanding, both because I was in a sense happy for Pyle for finally achieving something, but it's also a very tragic scene once you know how it all ends for the both of them. You can really see how much Hartman enjoyed seeing this (as much as he could possibly show), because he cared for Pyle and he wanted him to succeed.
I saw something that said this scene shows Pyle set aside a magazine with live rounds in it. I can't tell if it's rounds that are in that magazine or if it's the follower that we see. I think this video might just be a little too grainy to see.
@miked172 those are rounds. Not sure what a follower is, but after the bullet is fired, the magazine pushes the casing out... I saw the same meme on Facebook too heh heh
@@jaybyhop I could be wrong on the name, but when I said follower, I was referring to the plastic piece that separates the spring from the bullets. It's got the bullet-shaped bump that indicates which way the rounds are loaded, ensures they get loaded properly, and stops the bolt to the rear after the last round has been fired. I thought it was called a follower.
@@miked172 It's a follower. You're not wrong.
Marines are not allowed to die without permission!
yet they do
When North Vietnam is ashes, then you have my permission to die.
Mark Koetsier So there is lot to do still.
@Akshay Singh Chauhan
And then they wind up in a world of shit! Never disobey a lawful order!
But as every single real soldier has given marines the permission to crawl under a rock and die, then jarheads can all die off.
It's really a shame because the drill instructor was really just trying to push him, but Pyle couldn't handle the heat.
It was also not Pyle's fault that he couldn't handle it. Some people are simply not strong enough. The mistake here was putting him in that situation, or more precisely, not recognizing that he's not managing and needs to be pulled out of there.
Whiplash
Pyle was faulty equipment.
This movie is about the Vietnam War, numb nuts, people were drafted back then.
Call it tough love, he makes you focus your hatred into self improvement. Not just for Pyle but for all of the recruits.
One of the best films ever made.
Michael Cawood i prefer Greatest story never told
noooooooooooooo....not even one of kubrick's best.
not even close. but i liked the movie very much!
Michael Cawood Platoon is better. I know; I lived it.
Read To Cratisto.
Generalissimo X Kubrick was a sick British fuck.
thats proboly the only complement P.pyle got from that Drill sarge.
1Nespc he got more, watch the film
The moment Drill Sarge ask the name of Pyle rifle
***ROTTEN ENGLISH AWARD***
*Drill Instructor
Guillermo Sánchez Terrones lol yup..
A Marine's ability to shoot true is the single most important skill they have, every Marine has to re-qualify with the rifle every year just to keep going. So Hartmann telling Pyle he's good at shooting isn't just a minor compliment, it means he's got the essential aptitude he must have. Everything else is secondary.
if only he worded it like that aswell and said it a bit louder, maybe gunny would still be round today :(
M14 = outstanding!
That's what I trained with. Never fired an M-16. Never saw an M-14 in Vietnam and still never fired an M-16. As a pilot, I was only issued a .45 pistol. But I was also issued a Cobra to make u for it.
It's trash
Golden Manuever the most garand rifle ever made.
@@gijoe5372 beg to differ with you GI Joe the 5.56 or as I call it the military version of the two to three it's only good for shooting coyotes or as the M14 which shoots the 7.62 millimeter or as I affectionately called the military version of the 308 cartridge can stop a brown bear so if it comes right down to actuality my friend I'll take the M14 any day of the week compared to the M16 which is by means a piece of crap they have a tendency to jam when there's a little bit of sand kicked into the M16s barrel and bits and pieces of receiver has a tendency to jam up not function properly where is the M14 you could clean it much faster than you can with the M16!
@@garyquail2347 If your complaint about the M16 is that it jams due to dirt and sand then why would you prefer an M14? The AR-15 is very well sealed and prevents dirt from getting in the action, the Garand style action on the M14 has a huge open slot in the receiver for dirt in get in and jam the rifle. Also, you said the M16 jams when sand gets in the barrel. If that much sand is making its way from the end of the barrel into the chamber and action of the gun you have bigger problems than a jam, I.E. a bore obstruction. That's not the gun's fault. Its also false that you can clean an M14 much faster than an M16. In order to remove the bolt of an M14 you have to remove the action from the wood stock. On the M16 you just have to push out a captive pin to separate the upper and lower receivers. From your comment you sound like either a young kid or some old fudd perpetuating fuddlore. Considering this is RUclips, I bet you're younger, and so I would advise you to not believe myths over facts.
Went through the Army version in 1981. Similar but some differences. The Screaming . yelling, insults (which we doggies call the 'shark attack") tended to die down after about the 4th week.
This was based on 60s Marines. The attitude didn’t let up until you graduated from boot. They were relentless back then. And you didn’t have ANY rights vs today. Back then they would make your life a living hell if you didn’t advance through training correctly.
@@dontask6863 I graduated from MCRD Parris Island in 1982, there was no "letting up" during the entire 13 weeks of basic training. This movie nails the entire experience, nothing comes closer to the actual experience.
I didn’t say there was letting up. If you read, I said “didn’t let up”. Unlike today where they have to basically ask permission to yell. I was saying back then, our military was much more serious about military combat readiness and didn’t give a flying shit about your feelings unlike today.
I went through Fort Benning in 2003. They basically treated us like shit the entire 16 weeks, but it made us into infantrymen.
I graduated MCRD San Diego in 1980, and I know for a fact that it was not as serious as in the 1960's. They did away with almost all the quonset huts, there were no sand buckets, swagger sticks, deep mud pits, and there was 'far less' hands on discipline by the DI's. In fact the only time I knew of rough housing, it cost one of my DI''s his campaign cover. But they still let loose with a constant barrage of colorful metaphors, and catching spit in your face was routine. I never stopped laughing during the first half of this movie in 1986.
"...And then you will become dead Marines, and then you will be in a world of SHIT."
Full Metal Jacket had moments of comedy or divined as comedy probably in boot camp, however, I never experienced fun or comedy while in combat. Some combatants may have found something funny, however, I did not. It may be the type of combat I was in that was too chilling and adrenaline pumping to allow for a moment of comedy. For decades I did not watch movies about the Vietnam War. I had been there and did not need to see it on screen, and the vast majority of movies told stories only to make money and cared nothing for truth or accuracy. We Were Soldiers was accurate, however, the real battle was far more horrifying than the movie could depict.
+ZZstaff Thank you for your service, sir.
Anyone who's been in combat deserves the utmost respect. Thank you, sir.
Thank you for your kind comments.
Goldman,
I was a teenage soldier in Vietnam, get over whatever your problem is.
ZZstaff Just cause you were a teenager does not justify the imperialist U.S. war machine
Rest In Piece Gunny! You will sorely missed. Semper Fi!
R.I.P gunny,you will be missed
@whitetruck76 The M14 has an effective range of 800 yards. The Marines use the M16A4 and the Army uses the M4. The M14 fires a much larger bullet than the M16. The M14 is about two pounds heavier and has a more limited magazine capacity. The M14 has more power and effective range, but you can carry more rounds with an M16 and the M16 is more controllable in full auto mode. Civilians can buy semi-auto versions of both weapons. The M14 is still in service as a designated marksman rifle.
“It is a hard heart that kills.” - man that’s bad ass.
Lee Emery was made for this role
Thats true.. But did you know the producers didnt think he could plat it.. I saw it on mojo video some time ago
He used 2 b a _real_ drill instructor, _&_ during the Vietnam War
Isn't it ironic that Pyle was a good marksman?
Wouldn't use the word ironic
mpbarros1983 Not really. I mean he has to be useful at SOMETHING...
That's not irony.
He was a great marksman, his second kill was a headshot.
That was intended, it's foreshadowing. Hartman commends Pyle's marksmanship with his rifle, and given how they treat their rifles in the movie, it's likely that same rifle that kills Hartman.
0:55 the calm before the storm between Pyle and Hartman
Little did the drill sargent know, Pyle was picturing his head on that target.....
I'm a trauma medic and have treated GSWs (gunshot wounds). The 5.56mm can be very damaging to tissue, but its effect is based on tumbling, which widens the wound channel, and on the shock wave produced by the high velocity. It is also effective if it fragments. However, there is no comparison to the enormous energy deposited in the target by a .308/7.62x51 vs. the much smaller 5.56. To be blunt, both will kill you - but the larger round will do it faster/more-reliably, and it isn't even close.
I'm not sure, but I think this scene (on the video tape and DVD) is different from the original? I saw it in the theatre in 1987, and I remember him watching the target through binoculars as Pyle shot. When finished, he keeps looking at the target for a second, yells out "Five bulls-eyes!" then lowers the binoculars and says "Outstanding, Private Pyle!" Does anyone else remember it like that?
R. Lee Ermey is in a world of shit today. He did not have permission to leave us yet! RIP Gunny
Actually yeah I remember that. It was playing on the TV when I was younger and I remember that scene but had no idea what it was cuz wasnt paying much attention lol
When you realize Private Pyle is only a skilled marksman because he is imagining blowing his Drill sergeants brains out the back of his head with every shot. I mean, spoiler alert.
Great movie about pushing a person to reach his full potential and about pushing him over the edge. Combat will also do both. Better have the right frame of mind when entering the military.
Don't think. That's why they only draft young guys.
I like to think that someone's full potential is not how efficient of a killing machine they can become, but maybe I'm just an idealist.
Found something you do well...he sure did,blew you away.
i love the very first shot in this scene. where its zooming out. Kubrick does it in everyone of his films
"Your rifle is only a tool, it's a hard heart that kills"
This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine.
In the late 1950s, US Marines were categorised at three levels of shooting ability, according to the scores they achieved at a standardised test of their accuracy:
Expert: a score of 220 to 250.
Sharpshooter: 210 to 219.
Marksman: 190 to 209.
In December 1956, after a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period Lee Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’.
In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.
In November 1963, he gained the rank of Expert
@@joseph7972 lol
A hard heart that kills not because it is empty of empathy or compassion, but BECAUSE it has empathy and compassion and kills anyway.
This film shows the exact true representation of my life for 8 weeks in Basic Combat Training. The barracks , the training fields, the obstacles, the drill sergeants, the day and night happening are perfectly described and illustrate perfectly what it was like in 1976, shown so civilians can see for herself. :)
This was filmed at Bassingborne barracks in Cambridgeshire U.K. , this is the rifle range I actually learnt how to shoot when I joined the British army ..those were the days ...😁👍🇬🇧
I thought so I never remember Paris Island having Hills 😂
I knew it was not from Parris Island . I spent my 13 weeks enjoying the rifle range!
Yep this was Barton Rifle Range Cambridge Stew FMJ Crew.
When I was an instructor for the marksmanship training unit for the 82nd Airborne Division, we used to take the best shooters in Division and train them up to the standards of a Marine straight out of boot camp.
That is a yt vid I'd like to see. Good idea.
Great film with a killer soundtrack!! 👍🤘
Full metal!! 🤪😁
"Outstanding Private Pyle I think we finally found something you do well!"
“Sir No sir”
I liked BRM and going out to the rifle range. Even now as I am retired, I still go to the gun range when I can.
SGT Hartman saying: " Outstanding" to you, is the biggest prize
RIP Ermey
And Joker hesitated at the moment of truth
this movie is one big giant quote...whichever scene you watch, theres an awesome line.
OUTSTANDING PVT PYLE! I THINK WE FINNALY FOUND SOMETHING YOU DO WELL! SIR YES SIR!! I love it!
The "Pvt. Pyle" in my platoon was the best shot too.
I requested to go to Parris island. Rife range was an incredible experience. I shot expert, and loved the comprehension that if i had to shot at someone at 500 yds. they would be a dead man! Back then we were issued the M16A2, this weapon had the ability to shoot a three round burst. I will never forget boot camp at Parris Island!
I agree. The 7.62NATO is a full rifle shell and it was conceived to replace the larger cased .30-06, which it actually did fairly well.
Both of these .30cal service rounds are great even today, for their range and stopping power. But considering the nature of most engagements being close quarter & urban, the 5.56NATO is better suited for the task (no energy loss or tumble due to range).
For me, personally, I still prefer the full rifle shell 7.62NATO.
If you still miss gunny in 2019
At the end of this scene, you can see that PVT Pyle had already begun collecting spare ammunition. You can see when he removes the spent MAG, that it wasn't actually empty.
Really? Must look. How many rounds in that magazine?
Blut und Ehre!
Pyle probably imagined Hartman every time he pulled the trigger.
I remember the first time I went to the range during my military years and how I was surprised in seeing how actually inaccurate were the guns at 100m and 150m, especially the 7.62mm rounds.
Some would visibly fly off target like curve balls from a pitcher....probably it was because of the heavy use the guns were being put trough during boot camp.
@ClaudeMagicbox were you 0300 🤔
@@ObamaFromKenya Nope, I'm Italian, served in II/V DOA of Brg. SanMarco in the '90s, we were fully NATO qualified Tier2-3. Took part in operations in Albania/Kosovo back then along with French Legiòn and people from US 82° Airborne, mostly escorting the bulk humanitarian furbishments from the port of Valona deep into hostile territory. DOA which was a recon group is now called 1st Assault Company "Bafile".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marco_Marine_Brigade
The rifle that are used in boot camp are so used that barrels are so damaged. Thats why the accuracy was bad. I used brand new AKM 7.62x39 I hit nice tight groups easly only with iron sights. i also used G36 couldnt hit jack shit. I aimed good but groupings where all over the place. The rifle was so worn out thats why I couldnt hit. Other than that brand new g36 is exellent.
Anyone who was in the Queens Division, R.E.M.E , and Royal signals should really know this range, Bassingbourn barracks, Really brings back memories of June 97
This is the time Private Gomer showed rifle skills and Hartman is impressed.
David Dimalanta would've made a hell of a marine if he didn't break wrong
Skyler Slack Bad
Priuvate Pyle looks like 9 yo kid looking at his beloved daddy making a joke at christmas party.
it felt so good to see private pyle receive a compliment from the sergeant.
Hartman wanted a merciless killer and that's exactly what he got from Private Pyle
Hartman was watching almost like a proud dad that moment.
I assume that the 2 instructor far away are actually teaching a boot camp class.
No one ever talk about that.
This is actually Barton rifle range in Cambridgeshire, England.
Very true i was there Stew FMJ Crew.
Both my grandfathers where Marines they were bad ass God bless them 🇺🇸🙏
back when they used m14s
Damn good rifle for sure!
i want the M1A SOCOM 16
they switched to the m16 in vietnam
Man, I was pretty confused when I realized that M16 was adopted by the US Army only in the mid-60s.
I mean, Soviet Army had AK47 since 1949.
Was USSR really ahead in terms of armaments?
@@vladurban6036
And AK47 is just a modified STG44 from 1944 on the german side.
They basically still use the AK model today. So no, not ahead, just stolen over generations.
Brings back memories
Much fonder now than then lol
Pyle getting some positive feedback
What sorcery is this
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What kind of *sorcery* is this?
I could see the idea that "I can't die, it's not allowed" could really keep someone going psychologically while badly wounded in combat.
Rest in Peace you bloody legend
I ,miss that Old Man ! Jar Head ! Marine. A good Human. Bless U Gunny. Bless ,U Family as all Marine 's
A wonderful character trait about the riffle range scenes is that Hartman is noticeably softer on the marines, gun control is important and he clearly recognises this, so whilst he’s still hard on them he tolerates more things so they can still remain focused
i wouldnt say "tolerates more" but he definitely uses a softer tone, since there is no need to produce unnecessary animosity ifyou hand someone a loaded rifle.... and about 5 minutes later in the movie we get shown why its a bad idea to antagonize the guy with the gun
I bought two m1a's because of this movie. They rock!
" I think we finally found something that you do well private pyle!" Oh the irony
That compliment must've been huge.
I think you will find the rifle range is Barton Rd Cambridge U.K
Yes it is. Fired there myself.
@whitetruck76 I have no idea of the effective range, the modern Marine uses the M16, the Army uses the M16, but both branches can use the weapon as a DMR platform. The difference in the M14 and M16 are it's caliber among others. A civilian can buy Semi-Automatic variants of the M16 and M14, although both are labled differently from it's military counterpart.
"if fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight!"
Sun Tsu said that
“Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills.”
1982 Second Battalion Parris Island, firing an M16A1 at 500 meters with open sights, at the "baker target", never forget. Gunny said from today until the day you die, every Marine is your brother. I Honor and respect all that serve or have served Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard. Semper Fi.
@Anthony Kuminkoski now we also have the Space Force, whatever they do.🙄
I really enjoy shooting the M-14 platform....I love the balance of the rifle and the round.
the deadliest weapon in the world is an SJW and it's keyboard
PNB Productions True dat
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ChrisG- triggered sjw
The most sensitive thing in the worlds is a Conservative's skin.
@@Erin-bc8ic the night of November 7th 2016 said otherwise
@codzilla12 It shows that Hartman IS fair as he says. Every guy he pulls through the shit is still able to level on his list.
RIP Lee Ermey
Pyle getting praise for his sharpshooting skills = EPIC FORESHADOWING!
Pyle didnt die. That whole suicide scene was a dream sequence. Animal Mother IS Pyle.
The message that was conveyed is that shitbags during bootcamp usually do make the best grunts. Still true to this day.
Cpl. Gadway USMC Uh no. He died.
His spirit lives on.
Barton Road Ranges,near Cambridge. Used by recruits at Bassingbourn Barracks,Queens Division.
I was a recruit there when they were filming,1986.
The deadliest weapon is the sound that shampoo makes when you drop it in the shower.
Thrash Machine Or when you drop that freshly opened bar of soap on your toe. Ouch!
Warbringer \m/
As most know this was filmed in the UK and that rifle range is still there and in regular use, just west of Cambridge north of a village called Barton.....Been past it many times...
Thats why its called Barton Road Range ! one of a handfull now that reaches 1000 yards plus in the UK, privelidged to say ive fired rounds from the very same firing point ;)
lies. the deadliest weapon in the world is a cavalry scout with a radio.
by itself its worthless but with artillery a tank battalion etc it would be a perfect weapon.
Your kiddin right?
don't sass me, Private
queen of battle is deadliest weapon. airborne infantry leads the way
BadMoonRising92
fuck the pussy army
If you’ve ever been in a place where the person in charge of you yells like that (like boot camp or if you want to be less extreme, football camp) getting a compliment like that feels like the highlight of your year
i know right?
For starters, thats going to do nothing, because Felipe and Jakim aren't going to turn in their "scary weapons". Also do you smoke bath salts? Hunting rifles are chambered in rounds like .270, .308, .30-06, or even .410 or far greater, which are SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful then small calibre rifle cartridges like the .223, in the AR-15 Rifle. Automatic rifles and explosives are very rarely used in crimes. Handguns attribute to a bulk of gun violence statistics.
Outstanding foreshadowing there...
That's exactly what my Gunny said to me. ”Henderson, we finally found something you know how to do well”. Marines like officers that can shoot.
@Bob Henderson what was your MOS, Bob 🤔
@GooglFascists The battleship's main weapon were properly referred to as naval rifles. Only mortors and howitzers can be referred to as guns but mortors are typically referred to as tubes.
fair play Lee ermey was spot on in this film, I can see why they chose him
what I heard was he was a technical adviser and no actors could play the part of a D.I. when I saw this I knew those were real D.I's no one else can sign and talk like that.
@@lestermount3287 I read somewhere that the actor who played the psycho helicopter gunner was the original choice as Hartman. Using the technical adviser as an actor instead was apparently a last minute choice by Kubrick.
It wasn't his first role as a D.I. though.
Because the M16 was much more controllable in fully automatic fire, lighter, and smaller ammunition meant more could be carried. In modern infantry combat firepower is more important that long range accuracy due to shorter engagement ranges.
One of the most important scenes of the movie and the key to understand the two parts of it.
The scene shows that Hartman is a fair Drill Sergeant after all. Pile is "outstanding" at shooting. He could have become a sniper if he hadn't killed himself (which does not make sense really because he does it after he has passed the boot camp).
Pile would have made a good sniper. And what does the platoon lack when they get under fire by a sniper? See. Here's the bridge.
It doesn't make sense, but he is insane.
@@stevekaczynski3793 he isnt insane, he snapped. Big difference, insanity would imply you have a mental issue that makes you "abnormal" and hinders you from leading a normal respectfull life. Leonard was broken and instead of getting cameradery from his platoon he gets "disciplined" he was left in a place where it felt like literally nobody cared about him. The only "friend" he had who treated him SOMEWHAT normally, joker, was forced to choose that one night, while pyle was strapped to the bed. Now i am aware pyle was also aware of the situation since joker was forced to choose on the spot and didnt want to go through with it at first but chose to do so against his better judgement to save his ass from the bigger mob. Which i personally feel like is one of (if not the only reason) pyle let him walk off after he killed gunny. But what im saying is he was a fairly normal individual at first, maybe not the brightest, but a decent person i would assume. The thing that made him go postal was the constant belittlement, ridicule and parading of his mistakes, and when that didnt make him improve it was suggested he get "disciplined" by his fellow soldier by making everyone else bear his punishment. Now imagine you have some dude youre not allowed to talk back to scream and shout abuse at you all day and instead of getting support from your peers you get further punished by them. I think it is fairly important to also say, he pocketed the ammo during this scene, meaning he didnt just decide after bootcamp he was gonna off himself, the whole thing was planned beforehand, the only thing that just doesnt really add up for me is "was he only gonna off himself and just capped hartmann because he was just there and he seized the moment, or was he planning on luring hartmann into the bathroom to kill him THROUGH the nightguard of the current night"
(also yes i know an insanity plea exists where its basically "temporary insanity" but c´mon... thats having a meltdown or "snapping", actual INSANITY is doing the exact same FUCKING thing over, and over again.....expecting, shit to change... i had to)
I watch this every morning when I get up.
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a marine and his rifle"
Never used that buttplate when firing the M14 from prone position , always used the sling to steady myself.
Rip R Lee emery
I guess you got permission
I can still smell the gun powder from the Army rifle range in basic training when I see a movie clip like this one.