What about traditional roguelikes? How is someone supposed to move diagonaly with no numpad? What are you saying traditional roguelikes aren't games!? Fascist!
@@2.5k_ping56Lmao not even close. If you want the majority of Wooting's tech for cheap, just get a used/open box Apex Pro. Razer is overpriced and SOCD doesn't make a difference to people who aren't into FPS games.
If you can afford Wooting, it's worth it regardless of other alternatives; but to be fair not everyone likes 60, or doesn't have the price to buy it. Bedsides with the 80HE delays there's some good alternatives for different layout
It's a shame that wooting decided to go for the 'weird and proprietary' PCB approach for their """80%""" keyboard. I got a reply on Twitter from them when they released it about how they "discovered" the "H87" (a popular standard TKL PCB) "much later in the process". Which is a wild thing to say because the TKL format in general has been a thing since before they existed as a company. Luckily there are other companies out there producing Hall Effect boards with more standard form factors. For custom keyboard enthusiasts out there, I think Geonworks is developing some HE custom PCBs, so it'll be available for that market too at some point. Though personally I don't think rapid trigger is absolutely essential for gaming.
I just ordered the Drunkdeer 75 a few days before this video, I am super excited. They even added the new snap tap feature on it like the wooting and razer keyboard.
I was extremely surprised that the feature they implemented from their latest keyboards appearently go to all of their made keyboards? Might be the best budget hall effect keyboard for gaming.
Yep it's just a feature manufacturers can code but either they didn't think of it or it was to unfair BC there are scripts and stuff that do this but when razer started everyone showed to them that they aren't special 😂
@@hoarka3052 LMAO I was actually just thinking about how they even could do this like how they found the secret but there you go, you answered it for me and now it does not seem much like a secret 🤣
The beginning of the video is a hot take imo, I don't know why it's expressed with such confidence Like, you know, people game AND work using their equipment It'd be more expensive to buy 2 NICE keyboards, one for work and one for gaming. Both do the same job. If you want more ergonomics or a cleaner look - you get a smaller one. If you want more functionality - get the bigger one Why would there only be one option, wtf
“If you want ergonomics” shouldn’t really be an option, and if the video advised that potentially permanently damaging your body was a choice you should consider then it would get a lot more criticism than this
I still have a full size keyboard out of habit and because it's been a while since I have it ... but I'm pretty sure you could at least get a TKL keyboard and a usb numpad if you really need it
@@jsnagn3410 I don't understand, HE keyboards are literally the cheapest out of all switch types, the best mx style are ridiculously expensive because of tgr and other designers, and membrane keyboards are more expensive because of the hhkb. A stock wooting costs $180, and if you fully mod it, it only goes up like $500 with a fjell (probably the most overhyped tray mount 60% case). Not to mention that budget hall effect keyboard you can buy for less than 100$ I don't understand how HE keyboards are considered to be the top dogs, when they cost a fraction of the most expensive boards on the market yes, you do pay a premium for the HE features over standard mx switches because it is a very new platform, but at the end of the day, they aren't the highest quality because of their limited compatibility and the fact that they are so new.
I genuinely feel that rapid trigger can really make the difference, just like a 60hz monitor and a 144hz monitor. Of course you can play well on 60hz but 144hz better 99% of the time. You can play well on a regular keyboard, but hall effect keyboard will most definitely make you play better
ive owned an rt keyboard and it doesnt really make that much difference as people make it out to be. I mean you can tell the difference but it wont make you some movement god
@@Benni259 in games where movement is actually quite important, it does actually help. In apex there all type of movement but superglide on the wooting keyboard is noticeably easier (for me at least) and for movement in general, rapid trigger just makes everything feel so snappy, maybe It's placebo but i really do feel that it is overpowered
Drunkdeer have also just released a new kaybaord, the g75 with features the simmilar to snap tap and even its own where it presses the opposite movement key for you. I think it will be coming to their other keyboards also.
The best hall effect keyboard with rapid trigger AND wireless 2,4ghz low latency (also has bluetooth) connectivity is the Keychron Q1 HE. I've got it and it's unlike anything I've ever used. Their support confirmed they are also working on an SOCD feature firmware update. Reviewers claim it's built better and types nicer than the wooting.
as someone with 7 or 8 keyboards, HE is really cool and is objectively better for gaming, but isn't worth it for most people. You touched on this slightly when talking about form factors, but to elaborate: if you use your keyboard for work and gaming, and aren't able to afford or don't want to have two keyboards for whatever reason, traditional mechanical switches offer a better all around experience for both work and gaming than HE switches do. If you have a dedicated keyboard for gaming it should absolutely be HE, but otherwise you'll probably be better off with just mechanical switches. Totally onboard with everything else you discussed, just thought it was worth mentioning for anyone who may be looking for a new multipurpose keyboard
Ok, so as a keyboard guy. Here are the most important things you want to pay attention to as a gamer. 1. Latency & polling rate (for obvious reasons, RTINGS has fantastic super technical reviews of most popular boards, this includes latency, polling rate etc). 2. That it has NKRO (n-key rollout, this allows you to press an unlimited amount of keys simultaneously and they will all be registered. Most boards, esp cheaper ones or ones that are older come with 6kro only which allows 6 keys to be pressed simultaneously max). 3. That it's a hotswap board (This is vital. Because if ever a switch breaks on your board. If you don't know how to solder or these are some unique switch you can't buy or swap out, you're f'd. With hotswap It will be super cheap and easy to fix, no soldering etc just plug and play. This will also allow you to change your switches to anything you like. Tired of clicky? Try linear. Want more thock, a smoother experience? Buy a different set of switches etc). That's kinda it for what is most important for gaming.After that it's pure preference to what you like, what feels best etc. Type of switches, feel, keycap profile, it's all preference. But here are a few more things to pay attention too. The keycap profile, most keyboards come with OEM or with a custom profile. (profile is how the keys are shaped and angled). OEM profile is basically a much taller cherry profile, most people don't like it. Cherry on the other hand is beloved and the favorite profile for most keyboard people and likely also best for gaming because it's has a pretty low profile. Stabilizers, pay attention to if these are good, they are cheap, easy to mod and improve. But bad stabilizers make a board sounds horrible because your space bar will sound very rattly even if all your other keys sound great. If you plan on using it wireless, make sure it has 2.4hz and supports 1000hz polling over that 2.4hz. Making sure these things are in order, you will buy a board that is worth your money and that you can easily further upgrade in the near future if you wish. I can't recommend any switches because it's personal preference. I thought I liked clicky switches but after wasting some money on them I tried a cheap linear one that is very good (gateron yellows) and fell in love with linear switches. For boards though, I recently had my eye on the Rainy 75. It's a 100 euro, sounds insane stock, metal case, everything. But there isn't a rtings review of it, and they don't use paypall and I don't use credit cards. As an alternative the Lemokey P1 (a keychron board). Which is literally a q1 pro (which is like 200 euro) only for a 100 euro cheaper. It actually seems to be superior to the q1. Comes with cherry profile, sounds great etc.
You started the video by saying don't buy a full size keyboard, but for what reason? I like my huntsman v3 pro full size, what's wrong with full size keyboards?
@@ReadyVal going off of what the video is showing, it appears that they are objectively bad because the way the host happens to be sitting makes it less optimal I'm obviously taking a bit of a piss, though there may be some credence to what is being implied, unfortunately, the video doesn't go into any depth as to why that would be. So idk Outside of that, you can, and there is nothing wrong with owning a single keyboard to perform keyboard-things, including gaming. Actually, sane people do just that It's a weird take to me. It feels like something that could apply to people who have a "work station" and a "gaming rig", but in most cases it's the same machine, and no one is buying 2 keyboards for their single PC
@@ReadyVal you don’t get a full size because the numpad takes up a lot of space on your desk for virtually no reason. 80% and lower is good for more space which means more mouse movement in fps games and such.
I had to stop watching the video right there, been gaming on full sized keyboards my whole life. Just because this guy doesnt like full sized doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Sometimes i need a numpad for inputing numbers when im not gaming lmao
Theres other ways to be more ergonomic and have numpad though. Im keen for a 75% style keyboard BUT its closer to 100% because southpaw numpad on the left.
You are a man of culture. Numpad on left makes more sense than on the right. Right hand on mouse for picking cells and left hand on numpad for data entry. Where it's a seperate NUMPAD on the left or a 98/108 key keyboard with left hand numpad@@kakoth
@@coreytaylor7367 I use a separate numpad on my left. I'm used to having a wide path for my mouse, and I don't like having to go down to the arrow keys all the time-
@@josephbornman8462 you sir seem to be the only sane commenter on this video rn with others being butt hurt 98/108 keyboards got called out so bad lol. Real Chads use numpads on the left.
I'm a swimmer with wide shoulders and don't feel like full keyboards affect me ergonomically speaking. I used 100% kayboards all my life since the dawn of Win 95.
Got my first HE keyboard today - Attack Shark K85. Got it for only £41, which is pretty decent I think for the price. Not sure if it will make me a better gamer but having rapid trigger and DKS should at least help a little. Thanks for the great vids.
One thing about the layout. For gaming a 65% layout is useless, because it takes up the same space horizontally as 75% layout while 75% has F keys and this allow You to use "tilda" key as a usefull and easy to hit keybind in game. And of course You have F1-F12 keys.
Untrue lol. Just tilt the bottom right side of your keeb down by about 35-45 degrees. You will have much more mousing space. You get even more by angling smaller keebs cause you can angle them more aggressively (50+ degrees) For reference I'm not a %60 diehard either. I only have 2 %60 keebs and many more of other layouts. Condensed %70 or %75 are ideal for all use cases. Numpad on the left and you can even work a day job. All for cheaper and exceedingly better than a "gaming keyboard" bought from Best Buy
can i ask why dont you recommend 100% keyboards? Like i dont see anything wrong using it (yes i play copmetetive games a lot). The only reason i can think of is that it takes chunk of your mouse space, but i have the keyboard tilted the way it doesnt bother me anyway
Some people just hate numpads and try to justify it using any means possible when in reality they’re great and if you prefer them there’s nothing wrong with em. I personally use a 96% because a numpad is a requirement for me, and yes I do play a lot of competitive games.
Some people just hate numpads and try to justify it using any means possible when in reality they’re great and if you prefer them there’s nothing wrong with em. I personally use a 96% because a numpad is a requirement for me (I even use tactile switches) and yes I do play a lot of competitive games. I don’t feel disadvantaged at all compared to when I used linear switches and my keyboard feels great and does everything I want it to do.
Look out for other keebs, the ones he named in the video are "mainstream" in terms of hall effect. Just ordered a chinese one, ATK RS7 Pro. Full aluminium keeb, cool looking weight, cnc aluminium plate, 8k pooling, web software(some consider it a plus), available in a non pro or non pro without rgb options. Will reply after it arrives
can you do a review on the "Redragon Fizz K617"? To my knowledge it is the cheapest keyboard with rapid trigger and customizable actuation points (around HALF the price of the drunk deer). The build quality is not the best, the actuation points is finicky at very low values, (they also allegedly lied about the polling rate) but I believe it serves a unique place within the marker. I would also like to see how the quality compares to other keyboards.
full sized keyboards can be good for games like mmo's or any game that likes lots of hotkeys. I could see it being useful for mech warrior, diablo, path of exile, WoW, uo, warframe, etc. Yes you can buy a separate numpad but I don't really agree that full sized keyboards are ONLY for work.
I use arrow keys for movement and the number pad for weapon switches. And I prefer to use control to jump, with my pinky. None that thumb-plonking in the space bar. Full sized is the way to fit me.
You would probably love an external numpad on the left of a smaller keeb like a TKL/80-85% The numpad is ortholinear (means all keys are in rows and columns rather than a typical staggered QWERTY keeb. Might be more comfortable for you and have more keys accessable/shorter distances
i just subbed. got my new Monitor, Mouse and Keyboard in the last week, before i started watching your videos but i am still binging your vids rn, because i like your humour. will you be revieving the turtle beach vulcan II pro? since u shat on the Roccat (now turtle beach) gaming board in the intro. the vulcan II pro comes in a variant with magnetic switches and its own software. also do you do switch and keycap reviews aswelll?
There's a hall effect pcb for TKLs if you custom keeb-savy people out there are interested in modding an existing custom tkl that is compatible. It's on geonworks called the venom HE tkl pcb. Kinda costly but if you can get it to work then you'll have a rapid trigger experience in a case you own and want to keep.
I will never get fooled by mechanical keyboards again , they were the worst thing I ever used , and I tried a bunch. deathstalker was better than 90% os the mechanicals keyboards I had , the only good experience was a low profile one , and still , optical are just better. I dont want fcking big travel for no reason , its just dumb. Never spending on mech switches again and will never recommend it , feels like just a sheep thing. Waiting for good low travel distance keyboards; does not matter to me if the actuation is low if the fcking key travels 2km more , I want to press it until the end anyway. Big travel distance after actuation = make it dumb for sheeps ; at least give a option without the extra travel.
60% for me is a nogo. when not gaming and just watching a video it is a major convenience to be able to just press the back or front arrow to voyage through the video and be able to mess with the video volume.
I bought apex pro tkl wireless 2023 for $500 AUD, was great rapid tigger amazing, but got a cheaper drink deer a75 and it feels and sounds 10 times better then the steel series, I’ve also modded the apex tkl and modded the a75, drunk deer still sounds much better. Now drunkdeer release there snap tap version few days ago.
Disregard the fake news about 104 keyboards. They're great and every model lineup must have one. I haven't had the described problem due to high sens (helped by RawAccel), but I'm sure switching from WASD to, say, IJKL would fix it and have added benefit of more keys being accessible for abilities. Though, to someone who never had a 104 keyboard, going with 80 or something like that should be a safer option for gaming. Adding a separate numpad is also an option.
Snap tap is one of the must-have features imho, the other two are the function keys row and ISO layout. This narrows down the selection to only 2 keebs (correction 3 keyboards) i guess. Therefore Can you please provide an affiliate link or discount code for Wooting80he and Razerhunsman v3 tkl as well as DrunkDeer A75? pleeease many thanks cheers
I bought attack shark k85, except of software, it's a good keyboard for me, as a first time use of hall effect keyboard. Also quality is cheap, but that's understandable for cheapest he keyboard on market
I think we need a new 'category' of keyboard. The majority of this video only makes any sense if you equate all of 'gaming' to just 'esports'. Personally I barely care at all about key responsiveness for the games I play and I use the media, macro and numpad keys literally every single day.
You really dont need a Wooting or any high end keyboard with modern tech like rapid trigger. A crappy Redragon 60% that costs 40€ is going to pretty much have the same performance unless you are really looking for those extra benefits. Just whatever you do, dont game on a fullsized keyboard. Get an external numpad if you need it.
The point is that YOU DONT decide what others need and what not. You are just broke lol xD A rapid trigger keyboard objectively gives some gaming advantages.
@@ITSecNEO I own a Wooting 60HE and it is honestly not that different from regular mechanical keyboards aside from SOCD, which is banned in some games and most likely will be banned in other games in the future. Its literally just a cope product for people who are not at the top 1% of the ladder and unlikely to result in any major benefits for the average consumer. Sure, if you got the money, then go ahead and get the best you can if you want, but way too many people look at these products as a shortcut to improving.
For what the F* are the arrows keys still good for!?? Also, why in the devils name is num turned off by default when these will exist vor ever no matter they do with this KB?
If u work and play in Ur free time a full size is fine but some people say it's *exhausting* to have that much space between Ur hands and the big problem is that I need to have Ur arms way to open? To fully use Ur mouse pad if it's big or if u don't like Ur arms being away from each other? Idk (sry my English is bad)
@@hoarka3052 but what's the problem with having the option to buy a smaller one or a bigger one? What is this idea that a gaming keyboard SHOULD be smaller? There is no objective reason for it The only thing this possibly achieves is make the keyboard market go "okay, people think that gaming = small". If they start thinking that, then you will have to buy an "office" keyboard if you want full size, and a "gaming" keyboard for gaming features. Which would be great for these companies, because that's 2 keyboards they can sell to you Having options hasn't been a problem before. Where is this idea that we should devolve coming from? You said it yourself, "some people". Well, there are other people, too
I mean, if you like the 100% layout, go for it but there is very little reason to buy a full size keeb because of the extremely limited availability, the fact that you only use the numpad to log in, and the fact that you will objectively spend like a 40% premium for a full sized board over a more standardized layout also, what the fuck does age have to do with anything here, my 70 year old father uses a 65%, does that make him childish?
i have a full keyboard from red dragon i like that its a full keyboard cuz its good for modded minecraft cuz more buttons also its howswapable so i managed to change its switched abd it can be desassambled cuz i can see 2 screws in the 2 up corners
currentlly i have a corsiar strafe rgb mk2 is it one worth upgrading 2 what is worth most to get wooting i can get rn for 150 apex pro mini 120 and not sure about the others you said which out of the keyboards you listed in this videos is best to get or is it worth to keep my current one
Can you reveiw the Boyi 66 Pro? Its a budget rapid trigger keyboard costing only $65 dollars! It sounds amazing stock and it has decent software. The only concern I have is the performence which idk how to measure.
I think its because he hasnt used it before, drunkdeer practically has all the features that wooting has so going for that should be fine (in my opinion)
IDK about you, but i dont think anyone needs ant of the fancy stuff, i simple 60% keyboard like redragon or something like that is all you need, you can get all that fancy stuff if you want to like the keyboard where you adjust actuation ....ets ets but for mep ersonally those are just marketing gimmicks that are (at least for me) useless...its always about what works, reliable and budget friendly
I got 70% a mech keyboard years ago before it was cool and checked out of the keyboard market. I had no idea this kind of tech existed till Razer dropped cheating software.
Don't buy the Steelseries Apex Pro Mini nor Razer Huntsman V3 Pro Mini, those keyboards sucks, the rapid trigger got ghost tap issues, the build quality is bad, just don't buy them.
Most tldr is, you don't have money to buy Wooting? Save up and buy Wooting. You have more money and wanna buy something else that's not Wooting, you buy Wooting.
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What about traditional roguelikes? How is someone supposed to move diagonaly with no numpad? What are you saying traditional roguelikes aren't games!? Fascist!
missed opportunity: derpy 3rd eye wall-eyed upward left/upward right. Ill watch for it the next time
can you do a review on the gamakay tk75 He perferably Phoenix switches
tldr; buy a wooting
Granted, they're keypads. But I wonder if Azeron is always worth a consideration.
Useless to big majority
Razer is better for majority
@@2.5k_ping56Lmao not even close. If you want the majority of Wooting's tech for cheap, just get a used/open box Apex Pro. Razer is overpriced and SOCD doesn't make a difference to people who aren't into FPS games.
If you can afford Wooting, it's worth it regardless of other alternatives; but to be fair not everyone likes 60, or doesn't have the price to buy it. Bedsides with the 80HE delays there's some good alternatives for different layout
It's a shame that wooting decided to go for the 'weird and proprietary' PCB approach for their """80%""" keyboard.
I got a reply on Twitter from them when they released it about how they "discovered" the "H87" (a popular standard TKL PCB) "much later in the process".
Which is a wild thing to say because the TKL format in general has been a thing since before they existed as a company.
Luckily there are other companies out there producing Hall Effect boards with more standard form factors. For custom keyboard enthusiasts out there, I think Geonworks is developing some HE custom PCBs, so it'll be available for that market too at some point.
Though personally I don't think rapid trigger is absolutely essential for gaming.
I cannot wait to see what geon has cooking
I game on a 100% board. I need the numpad for work. I'm not going to clutter up my workspace with an extra dedicated gaming keyboard. Seems silly.
there are 100% gaming keyboards, wooting 2 he is a great example.
Numpad on left. Be a man.
get a modular one, like the Mountain Everest. easy removable numpad.
@@thebenco21 not good keyboards there bro.
@@coreytaylor7367 I prefer right.
I just ordered the Drunkdeer 75 a few days before this video, I am super excited. They even added the new snap tap feature on it like the wooting and razer keyboard.
I was extremely surprised that the feature they implemented from their latest keyboards appearently go to all of their made keyboards? Might be the best budget hall effect keyboard for gaming.
Yep it's just a feature manufacturers can code but either they didn't think of it or it was to unfair BC there are scripts and stuff that do this but when razer started everyone showed to them that they aren't special 😂
@@hoarka3052 LMAO I was actually just thinking about how they even could do this like how they found the secret but there you go, you answered it for me and now it does not seem much like a secret 🤣
The beginning of the video is a hot take imo, I don't know why it's expressed with such confidence
Like, you know, people game AND work using their equipment
It'd be more expensive to buy 2 NICE keyboards, one for work and one for gaming. Both do the same job. If you want more ergonomics or a cleaner look - you get a smaller one. If you want more functionality - get the bigger one
Why would there only be one option, wtf
Lol that's why the best keyboards today can do both.
Dunno why you're exclusively hating or maybe u can't affort a HE rapid trigg keyb atm.
“If you want ergonomics” shouldn’t really be an option, and if the video advised that potentially permanently damaging your body was a choice you should consider then it would get a lot more criticism than this
I still have a full size keyboard out of habit and because it's been a while since I have it ... but I'm pretty sure you could at least get a TKL keyboard and a usb numpad if you really need it
@@jsnagn3410 I don't understand, HE keyboards are literally the cheapest out of all switch types, the best mx style are ridiculously expensive because of tgr and other designers, and membrane keyboards are more expensive because of the hhkb. A stock wooting costs $180, and if you fully mod it, it only goes up like $500 with a fjell (probably the most overhyped tray mount 60% case). Not to mention that budget hall effect keyboard you can buy for less than 100$
I don't understand how HE keyboards are considered to be the top dogs, when they cost a fraction of the most expensive boards on the market
yes, you do pay a premium for the HE features over standard mx switches because it is a very new platform, but at the end of the day, they aren't the highest quality because of their limited compatibility and the fact that they are so new.
My solution: buy a wireless numpad + like 60 or 75% board.
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I genuinely feel that rapid trigger can really make the difference, just like a 60hz monitor and a 144hz monitor. Of course you can play well on 60hz but 144hz better 99% of the time. You can play well on a regular keyboard, but hall effect keyboard will most definitely make you play better
ive owned an rt keyboard and it doesnt really make that much difference as people make it out to be. I mean you can tell the difference but it wont make you some movement god
@@hwelp it’s mostly cope. 99% of wooting users are in bronze.
@@Benni259 in games where movement is actually quite important, it does actually help. In apex there all type of movement but superglide on the wooting keyboard is noticeably easier (for me at least) and for movement in general, rapid trigger just makes everything feel so snappy, maybe It's placebo but i really do feel that it is overpowered
@@gorillagroddgamingDecent chunk of wooting users don't waste their time playing competitive.
hall effect vs mx is not nearly as different as 60 vs 144hz
Drunkdeer have also just released a new kaybaord, the g75 with features the simmilar to snap tap and even its own where it presses the opposite movement key for you. I think it will be coming to their other keyboards also.
Knobs are goated, but not as goated as the wooting 60he. I use a 60he modded so it sounds and looks nice
The best hall effect keyboard with rapid trigger AND wireless 2,4ghz low latency (also has bluetooth) connectivity is the Keychron Q1 HE. I've got it and it's unlike anything I've ever used. Their support confirmed they are also working on an SOCD feature firmware update. Reviewers claim it's built better and types nicer than the wooting.
as someone with 7 or 8 keyboards, HE is really cool and is objectively better for gaming, but isn't worth it for most people. You touched on this slightly when talking about form factors, but to elaborate: if you use your keyboard for work and gaming, and aren't able to afford or don't want to have two keyboards for whatever reason, traditional mechanical switches offer a better all around experience for both work and gaming than HE switches do. If you have a dedicated keyboard for gaming it should absolutely be HE, but otherwise you'll probably be better off with just mechanical switches. Totally onboard with everything else you discussed, just thought it was worth mentioning for anyone who may be looking for a new multipurpose keyboard
@@reedoken6143 what makes traditional switches a better overall experience? I just bought a keychron Q1 max and am regretting not getting the HE.
Ok, so as a keyboard guy. Here are the most important things you want to pay attention to as a gamer. 1. Latency & polling rate (for obvious reasons, RTINGS has fantastic super technical reviews of most popular boards, this includes latency, polling rate etc). 2. That it has NKRO (n-key rollout, this allows you to press an unlimited amount of keys simultaneously and they will all be registered. Most boards, esp cheaper ones or ones that are older come with 6kro only which allows 6 keys to be pressed simultaneously max). 3. That it's a hotswap board (This is vital. Because if ever a switch breaks on your board. If you don't know how to solder or these are some unique switch you can't buy or swap out, you're f'd. With hotswap It will be super cheap and easy to fix, no soldering etc just plug and play. This will also allow you to change your switches to anything you like. Tired of clicky? Try linear. Want more thock, a smoother experience? Buy a different set of switches etc). That's kinda it for what is most important for gaming.After that it's pure preference to what you like, what feels best etc. Type of switches, feel, keycap profile, it's all preference. But here are a few more things to pay attention too. The keycap profile, most keyboards come with OEM or with a custom profile. (profile is how the keys are shaped and angled). OEM profile is basically a much taller cherry profile, most people don't like it. Cherry on the other hand is beloved and the favorite profile for most keyboard people and likely also best for gaming because it's has a pretty low profile. Stabilizers, pay attention to if these are good, they are cheap, easy to mod and improve. But bad stabilizers make a board sounds horrible because your space bar will sound very rattly even if all your other keys sound great. If you plan on using it wireless, make sure it has 2.4hz and supports 1000hz polling over that 2.4hz. Making sure these things are in order, you will buy a board that is worth your money and that you can easily further upgrade in the near future if you wish. I can't recommend any switches because it's personal preference. I thought I liked clicky switches but after wasting some money on them I tried a cheap linear one that is very good (gateron yellows) and fell in love with linear switches. For boards though, I recently had my eye on the Rainy 75. It's a 100 euro, sounds insane stock, metal case, everything. But there isn't a rtings review of it, and they don't use paypall and I don't use credit cards. As an alternative the Lemokey P1 (a keychron board). Which is literally a q1 pro (which is like 200 euro) only for a 100 euro cheaper. It actually seems to be superior to the q1. Comes with cherry profile, sounds great etc.
You started the video by saying don't buy a full size keyboard, but for what reason? I like my huntsman v3 pro full size, what's wrong with full size keyboards?
@@ReadyVal going off of what the video is showing, it appears that they are objectively bad because the way the host happens to be sitting makes it less optimal
I'm obviously taking a bit of a piss, though there may be some credence to what is being implied, unfortunately, the video doesn't go into any depth as to why that would be. So idk
Outside of that, you can, and there is nothing wrong with owning a single keyboard to perform keyboard-things, including gaming. Actually, sane people do just that
It's a weird take to me. It feels like something that could apply to people who have a "work station" and a "gaming rig", but in most cases it's the same machine, and no one is buying 2 keyboards for their single PC
@@ReadyVal you don’t get a full size because the numpad takes up a lot of space on your desk for virtually no reason. 80% and lower is good for more space which means more mouse movement in fps games and such.
its big, thats basically the only reason. If you like full size then all power to you
I had to stop watching the video right there, been gaming on full sized keyboards my whole life. Just because this guy doesnt like full sized doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Sometimes i need a numpad for inputing numbers when im not gaming lmao
Agree, ridicules to loos the num!
There are also tide formate between 65-86 that have it all and no space wasted.
But what if I need a low profile gaming keyboard...
Nuphy
You can take my numpad over my cold dead body 😡
Theres other ways to be more ergonomic and have numpad though. Im keen for a 75% style keyboard BUT its closer to 100% because southpaw numpad on the left.
You are a man of culture. Numpad on left makes more sense than on the right. Right hand on mouse for picking cells and left hand on numpad for data entry. Where it's a seperate NUMPAD on the left or a 98/108 key keyboard with left hand numpad@@kakoth
@@coreytaylor7367 I use a separate numpad on my left. I'm used to having a wide path for my mouse, and I don't like having to go down to the arrow keys all the time-
@@josephbornman8462 you sir seem to be the only sane commenter on this video rn with others being butt hurt 98/108 keyboards got called out so bad lol. Real Chads use numpads on the left.
I'm a swimmer with wide shoulders and don't feel like full keyboards affect me ergonomically speaking. I used 100% kayboards all my life since the dawn of Win 95.
Got my first HE keyboard today - Attack Shark K85. Got it for only £41, which is pretty decent I think for the price.
Not sure if it will make me a better gamer but having rapid trigger and DKS should at least help a little.
Thanks for the great vids.
One thing about the layout. For gaming a 65% layout is useless, because it takes up the same space horizontally as 75% layout while 75% has F keys and this allow You to use "tilda" key as a usefull and easy to hit keybind in game. And of course You have F1-F12 keys.
Untrue lol. Just tilt the bottom right side of your keeb down by about 35-45 degrees. You will have much more mousing space. You get even more by angling smaller keebs cause you can angle them more aggressively (50+ degrees)
For reference I'm not a %60 diehard either. I only have 2 %60 keebs and many more of other layouts. Condensed %70 or %75 are ideal for all use cases. Numpad on the left and you can even work a day job. All for cheaper and exceedingly better than a "gaming keyboard" bought from Best Buy
@@coreytaylor7367 Not everyone likes to tilt their keyboard. Both 65% and 75% in terms of horizontal size is basically 60% + one row.
can i ask why dont you recommend 100% keyboards? Like i dont see anything wrong using it (yes i play copmetetive games a lot). The only reason i can think of is that it takes chunk of your mouse space, but i have the keyboard tilted the way it doesnt bother me anyway
Some people just hate numpads and try to justify it using any means possible when in reality they’re great and if you prefer them there’s nothing wrong with em. I personally use a 96% because a numpad is a requirement for me, and yes I do play a lot of competitive games.
Some people just hate numpads and try to justify it using any means possible when in reality they’re great and if you prefer them there’s nothing wrong with em. I personally use a 96% because a numpad is a requirement for me (I even use tactile switches) and yes I do play a lot of competitive games. I don’t feel disadvantaged at all compared to when I used linear switches and my keyboard feels great and does everything I want it to do.
Look out for other keebs, the ones he named in the video are "mainstream" in terms of hall effect.
Just ordered a chinese one, ATK RS7 Pro. Full aluminium keeb, cool looking weight, cnc aluminium plate, 8k pooling, web software(some consider it a plus), available in a non pro or non pro without rgb options. Will reply after it arrives
can you do a review on the "Redragon Fizz K617"? To my knowledge it is the cheapest keyboard with rapid trigger and customizable actuation points (around HALF the price of the drunk deer). The build quality is not the best, the actuation points is finicky at very low values, (they also allegedly lied about the polling rate) but I believe it serves a unique place within the marker. I would also like to see how the quality compares to other keyboards.
Razer has optical switches with no magnets, that can do the same as hall effects.
full sized keyboards can be good for games like mmo's or any game that likes lots of hotkeys. I could see it being useful for mech warrior, diablo, path of exile, WoW, uo, warframe, etc. Yes you can buy a separate numpad but I don't really agree that full sized keyboards are ONLY for work.
Keychron Q1 HE… Aside from gaming and productivity, it serves admirably as a bludgeoning weapon if you run out of ammo during the zombie apocalypse.
I use arrow keys for movement and the number pad for weapon switches. And I prefer to use control to jump, with my pinky. None that thumb-plonking in the space bar. Full sized is the way to fit me.
You would probably love an external numpad on the left of a smaller keeb like a TKL/80-85%
The numpad is ortholinear (means all keys are in rows and columns rather than a typical staggered QWERTY keeb. Might be more comfortable for you and have more keys accessable/shorter distances
Polar65 is very good as well btw if you don't have money for a custom Wooting. It's probably the best built and sounding stock keyboard.
i just subbed. got my new Monitor, Mouse and Keyboard in the last week, before i started watching your videos but i am still binging your vids rn, because i like your humour.
will you be revieving the turtle beach vulcan II pro? since u shat on the Roccat (now turtle beach) gaming board in the intro. the vulcan II pro comes in a variant with magnetic switches and its own software.
also do you do switch and keycap reviews aswelll?
If you hate Sonar, what else would you recommend to use? I have it and I've used it since it came out and haven't had any big problems.
Some people need a good keyboard they can game with, which they also need to use for work/productivity...
Still sitting on my Steelseries 6gv2 for like 10 years. How bad am I?
Wo? Woo... Woot?! Ohh Wooooot- TING!
I'm too broke for wooting...
drunkdeer
There's a hall effect pcb for TKLs if you custom keeb-savy people out there are interested in modding an existing custom tkl that is compatible. It's on geonworks called the venom HE tkl pcb. Kinda costly but if you can get it to work then you'll have a rapid trigger experience in a case you own and want to keep.
Lemokey is a gamer subbrand of Keychron, just noticed they offer the G1 wireless mouse with 8k polling.
The fact ill say being as a razer fan huntsman v3 will be like dadder v3 pro everybody will get bored by its clunkyness or empty plastic feel
I will never get fooled by mechanical keyboards again , they were the worst thing I ever used , and I tried a bunch.
deathstalker was better than 90% os the mechanicals keyboards I had , the only good experience was a low profile one , and still , optical are just better.
I dont want fcking big travel for no reason , its just dumb.
Never spending on mech switches again and will never recommend it , feels like just a sheep thing.
Waiting for good low travel distance keyboards; does not matter to me if the actuation is low if the fcking key travels 2km more , I want to press it until the end anyway.
Big travel distance after actuation = make it dumb for sheeps ; at least give a option without the extra travel.
man are you sure is the drunkdeer g65?
Which keyboard switches feel lighter and feel better steelseries apex mini or razer huntsman v3 mini ?
60% for me is a nogo. when not gaming and just watching a video it is a major convenience to be able to just press the back or front arrow to voyage through the video and be able to mess with the video volume.
I bought apex pro tkl wireless 2023 for $500 AUD, was great rapid tigger amazing, but got a cheaper drink deer a75 and it feels and sounds 10 times better then the steel series, I’ve also modded the apex tkl and modded the a75, drunk deer still sounds much better. Now drunkdeer release there snap tap version few days ago.
I don't understand why having a num pad is viewed as a bad thing.
None of these are wireless, though. When I do large arm swipes with my keyboard, I don't want to feel the tug of the cable.
Disregard the fake news about 104 keyboards. They're great and every model lineup must have one. I haven't had the described problem due to high sens (helped by RawAccel), but I'm sure switching from WASD to, say, IJKL would fix it and have added benefit of more keys being accessible for abilities. Though, to someone who never had a 104 keyboard, going with 80 or something like that should be a safer option for gaming. Adding a separate numpad is also an option.
0:20 you unlocked my rinnegan and not my 3rd eye
Snap tap is one of the must-have features imho, the other two are the function keys row and ISO layout. This narrows down the selection to only 2 keebs (correction 3 keyboards) i guess. Therefore Can you please provide an affiliate link or discount code for Wooting80he and Razerhunsman v3 tkl as well as DrunkDeer A75? pleeease
many thanks
cheers
Drunkdeer now has it's own version of Snap-Tap or Rappy-Snappy. It works really well actually.
I bought attack shark k85, except of software, it's a good keyboard for me, as a first time use of hall effect keyboard. Also quality is cheap, but that's understandable for cheapest he keyboard on market
Why his huntsman v3 has the L shaped ENTER key? where do i find it?
I sadly skipped the 60 but I do have a pre order on the 80he. 🎉
I think we need a new 'category' of keyboard. The majority of this video only makes any sense if you equate all of 'gaming' to just 'esports'. Personally I barely care at all about key responsiveness for the games I play and I use the media, macro and numpad keys literally every single day.
soo, you don't want a gaming keyboard then
that other category, is called a custom keyboard
So Wooting over Keychron for the software? I might still go with Keychron then cause their software is new and should be upgraded soon enough?
i just ordered the Q1 HE. now i just have to pay off the mortgage i took out to afford it!
Review the Attack Shark K85, really curious how it compares to the A75 which I have. The K85 is like 60 USD on AliExpress
You really dont need a Wooting or any high end keyboard with modern tech like rapid trigger.
A crappy Redragon 60% that costs 40€ is going to pretty much have the same performance unless you are really looking for those extra benefits.
Just whatever you do, dont game on a fullsized keyboard. Get an external numpad if you need it.
The point is that YOU DONT decide what others need and what not. You are just broke lol xD A rapid trigger keyboard objectively gives some gaming advantages.
@@ITSecNEO I own a Wooting 60HE and it is honestly not that different from regular mechanical keyboards aside from SOCD, which is banned in some games and most likely will be banned in other games in the future.
Its literally just a cope product for people who are not at the top 1% of the ladder and unlikely to result in any major benefits for the average consumer.
Sure, if you got the money, then go ahead and get the best you can if you want, but way too many people look at these products as a shortcut to improving.
Just buy wooting if you do not want to watch the full video
Informative.
clearly you never used a Two HE
As a gamer i would never use a keyboard that isn't 100%. Other size keyboards tend to be the same price or more expensive in my experience
Are MageGee and Attack Shark good for keyboards?
if you have a low budget of 20 to 30 usd then magegee is good.
I'll fight for my 80 percents.
Why not Drunkdeer g60?
For what the F* are the arrows keys still good for!??
Also, why in the devils name is num turned off by default when these will exist vor ever no matter they do with this KB?
For dual booting, boot menu, surrender queues in games, for browser development and for programming. So quite a lot bruh.
was waiting for the drop
ive had a lot of problems with the steelseries apex pro tkl, would not recomend it personally
Full size keyboards are fine, numpads are good for logging in with passwords and for entering numbers. Pretty much if you are an adult get a full size
If u work and play in Ur free time a full size is fine but some people say it's *exhausting* to have that much space between Ur hands and the big problem is that I need to have Ur arms way to open? To fully use Ur mouse pad if it's big or if u don't like Ur arms being away from each other? Idk (sry my English is bad)
@@hoarka3052 but what's the problem with having the option to buy a smaller one or a bigger one?
What is this idea that a gaming keyboard SHOULD be smaller? There is no objective reason for it
The only thing this possibly achieves is make the keyboard market go "okay, people think that gaming = small". If they start thinking that, then you will have to buy an "office" keyboard if you want full size, and a "gaming" keyboard for gaming features. Which would be great for these companies, because that's 2 keyboards they can sell to you
Having options hasn't been a problem before. Where is this idea that we should devolve coming from? You said it yourself, "some people". Well, there are other people, too
I mean, if you like the 100% layout, go for it
but there is very little reason to buy a full size keeb because of the extremely limited availability, the fact that you only use the numpad to log in, and the fact that you will objectively spend like a 40% premium for a full sized board over a more standardized layout
also, what the fuck does age have to do with anything here, my 70 year old father uses a 65%, does that make him childish?
Meh. What a bullshit. TKL is great for everything.
I work and play on it. No issues
I like numpads because I can use alt-codes and it's very convenient when logging in anywhere
i have a full keyboard from red dragon
i like that its a full keyboard cuz its good for modded minecraft cuz more buttons
also its howswapable so i managed to change its switched abd it can be desassambled cuz i can see 2 screws in the 2 up corners
I'm about to throw down for the Keychron K2 HE
currentlly i have a corsiar strafe rgb mk2 is it one worth upgrading 2 what is worth most to get wooting i can get rn for 150 apex pro mini 120 and not sure about the others you said which out of the keyboards you listed in this videos is best to get or is it worth to keep my current one
Can you reveiw the Boyi 66 Pro? Its a budget rapid trigger keyboard costing only $65 dollars! It sounds amazing stock and it has decent software. The only concern I have is the performence which idk how to measure.
what performance?
what does that even mean?
@@clarkettinger6958 I mean like the latency and the rapid trigger functions.
If you buy anything labeled as "gaming" you get what you deserve.
I got a Monsgeek M1-HES and I think I'm done.
Is there any specific reason why you don’t recommend the g60 for drunk deer I was planning on getting the 60%
I think its because he hasnt used it before, drunkdeer practically has all the features that wooting has so going for that should be fine (in my opinion)
@@InkLyned I see thank you
@@Audit__ np
what about dark project kd87a? i mostly play games but i will also use it for work so i want to ask if its a good choice
Can you recommend the wooting 80 HE?
Can you do a review of the melgeek 68made as well. Considering on buying it
Hey man love ur content. Try Zebronics Transformer-M mouse
IDK about you, but i dont think anyone needs ant of the fancy stuff, i simple 60% keyboard like redragon or something like that is all you need, you can get all that fancy stuff if you want to like the keyboard where you adjust actuation ....ets ets but for mep ersonally those are just marketing gimmicks that are (at least for me) useless...its always about what works, reliable and budget friendly
I got 70% a mech keyboard years ago before it was cool and checked out of the keyboard market. I had no idea this kind of tech existed till Razer dropped cheating software.
Top ergo mouse ?
under rated
I've already buy a wooting 60he+
playing counter strike
need the mouse bungee tier list video :]
full size KB for war thunder keybinds😩
I had a Steelsires and the software was indeed terrible.
I just bought a new gaming keyboard :|
no hm66 sikakeyb?
What's that thing on the t key at 9:11
Full size for me.
Can you review the OGM pro v2 from Waizowl plz.
thoughts on AJAZZ AK820?
Yeah I can't even make it through the first 60 second of this dumb video ...
I watched it even with a laptop
fullsize all the way
wooting 2 he
@@InkLyned exactly tell em
Don't buy the Steelseries Apex Pro Mini nor Razer Huntsman V3 Pro Mini, those keyboards sucks, the rapid trigger got ghost tap issues, the build quality is bad, just don't buy them.
@@TaZen_ yo what keyboards u recommand for a competitive fps player (R6 siege) ?
I work in finance, I use a 75%. The thought of having a numpad would break me.
Apex pro huntsman v3 pro huge L also drunkdeer is well made what the yap
All the wooting clowns in the comments xD There are literally way better alternatives as of now
Just buy ducky one 2 mini frfr
Overpriced garbage
nuh uh
" open up ur third eye "
please stay away from mine I don't consent
Most tldr is, you don't have money to buy Wooting? Save up and buy Wooting. You have more money and wanna buy something else that's not Wooting, you buy Wooting.
i doubt you are a real gamer if you only use a 60% or your games are very cheap
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60% is one of the most popular layouts among esports pros
@@clarkettinger6958 lol at e-sports pros
@@staxjp smaller keyboard = more mouse space. What do you need a numpad for while gaming?