@@deck1m007 the sad part is that I used to love steel series. They had some of the best mice back in the day. My brother still uses a 5 yr rival 110 and my rival 3 lasted 3 years. If they would release a Wireless 3950 rival 3 at 60ish grams I would buy it in a heart beat
"I think they went with the removable option to sell powerplay mousepads" Friend, I don't think a mouse that lasts over a month on a single battery, which is replaceable in seconds, is going to sell any significant amount of powerplay mousepads.
You and him are different audiences, he truly believes that making a mouse lighter is everything, so he only sses it as a 200$ Mouse. Normal People dont care if the mouse weighs 15g more and I believe more things should have removable batteries in them. And in the end the Powerplay Mat is a genius Product which truly solves the Mouse Game, he just needs to cut a 2mm thicks outline of the mousepad embed it flush with his Table and use any Mouspad he wants.
@@CASyHD. well is the "SUPERLIGHT" for a reason, normal people would not look for a lightweight wireless gaming mice to begin with normal people would go to the mx line of logitech mice
lol good one, if someone actually bought that mousepad, my first question would be why not just get an aliexpress £5 mouse? cuz ur not making use of the sensor u paid that much for, oh an... why wireless? u cant even feel the cable if thats how much space u got to move the mouse, great thinking by logitech, im here wanting a bigger mousepad than my almost a metre long mousepad (its pretty short in vertical)
@@13zplays i play very low sens (eq to r6s 9sens with 400dpi and windows mouse slider on 3 (idk if the windows setting matters)) but even then i think Logitechs mousepad is too small even for the typical sens players.
I don't understand how they are able to make the g pro x superlight the way it is but just refuse to give the rest of their mouse line up the same treatment. Like seriously, what's stopping them? Are they trying to be quirky? It's giving me the same vibe as when razer refused to make a viper mini pro.
@@Billy_The_Frog I'm guessing the vast majority of their sales are in lower end, cheaper mice, it's easy to forget that people in countries like the US and the UK are among the top 1% of wealth in the world. There are many non western countries with MASSIVE populations that on average spend less but in bulk outspend westerners by a long shot countries like India, Indonesia, etc etc
@@Billy_The_Frog respectfully, the gpx 2 is the most mid high end mouse on the market. the ulx is just better, and if you cant find it in stock then the beastx is a good alternative, and if you have a lower budget, the op1 8k is still a better choice than the gpx 2 for half the price imo
@@imbatts Dont worry, i completely agree that the superlight 2 is mid. But what i meant was how they upgraded the g pro wireless into the superlight 1. It was such a well received upgrade and yet they just stopped there. They never tried upgrading another mouse to be given the "Superlight" title. It's extremely confusing because it just seems like wasted potential. It's as if the engineers who worked on the superlight 1 had left and they no longer have the expertise to make lightweight mice. So many people have been hoping for their old logitech mice to be given the superlight 1 treatment for years, but logitech has airpods on and cant hear anything.
@@cacaulaymulkin7724 And yet their recent releases have all been high cost with very little value in return. If they profit more from lower end stuff, you would think they would make more affordable products. Especially ones that dont force people to buy their powerplay mat.
Wholeheartedly agree. Also discontinuing some products with no replacement, like the G600. It used to be massively popular back in the day, pretty much most people I knew in WoW or generally extra button intensive games swore by it.
I don't understand of why all the hate about the replaceable battery. It's great folks, trust me on this. Get 2 rechargeable AA battery and you practically have unlimited battery life. No more being tethered to a cable when you're low on battery, just plug a new battery in and charge the other one and you're good to go. And weight wise, i mean come on. 75g with AAA battery is good. You won't notice much going below 80g. And even if you do, i think that having a small weight compromise for unlimited battery life is still a good tradeoff. So yeah, 309 is a good mouse, just misunderstood imho.
Its funny because i do have a wireless keyboard with AAA batteries and what i do is, swap with my house phone... they charge and its needed so its always fresh batteries ... however i don't know how much they take to charge but honestly my keyboard takes months to swap batteries anyway
Honestly the removable battery is better, you can have one in mouse and second ready charged on standby -> 5 second recharge and when it eventually goes bad, you can just change the battery and not the whole mouse. I don't honestly really understand non removable Lion batteries in apliances.
@@CortyCze hot swappable batteries are great in theory but there is an obvious tradeoff required in order to facilitate a way to mount the battery such that will impact the overall design. Maybe that's a worthwhile tradeoff for the right use case but the battery life for internal batteries are so bonkers these days that charging is a complete non issue. My pro X superlight will turn the status light red under 20% charge which if I see that is a sign I need to plug it in. Eventually, because thats still over 10hrs left so I just do that when I'm finished my current session and turning off. I've never had it run out of charge while using it and the tradeoffs to weight and such aren't remotely worth it to me for a problem that isn't really a big problem anymore. Yes it's somewhat harder to repair when that battery eventually starts to die but it's still doable with some simple diy. If plugging devices in to charge is that inconvenient try getting one of those usb cables with a detachable magnetic tip. It stays in the device which you then move within the general vicinity of the cable end and tada it's plugged in and charging.
My headphones (Arctis Nova Pro Wireless) may be overpriced and kinda meh in general, but the removable battery makes them simply superior to every other wireless headset I've used. When the battery runs out, it's a 3-4 second replacement and I have a fully charged battery again, instead of having to wait 30 minutes or more for it to charge. I would like the convenience of wireless mice and keyboards, but I won't make the switch until there's replaceable lithium batteries in everything.
Ummm newsflash... You can make a repairable mouse with an internal battery. Sure it'll be harder to open but I'd rather open my mouse once every 2 years to replace the battery rather than use something that is 30g heavier everyday everytime I need to move my mouse. Oh btw I bought attack shark x3 for 18 bucks. I could have bought 2 for less than 40 bucks to swap between when one dies. Also, battery lasts so long that I have only charged it once in 2 months lol. Repairability doesn't mean shit can't get better and smaller. It means that devices should not make it hard to repair on purpose. Internal batteries aren't bad. Having no screws or hiding them under mouse feet is anti-repair Also the amount of waste with disposable batteries is higher.
i dont see how the non-removable battery is better than a removable one. rechargeable batteries goes to shit after awhile and once it does, theyre expensive to replace. meanwhile with the rechargeable removable, battery, you can have one in the charging bay while still using your mouse. when the current battery dies just switch it with the new fully charged battery. quick and simple
removable battery causes uneven weight distribution, and non removable batteries in modern mouse have a long life if you don’t constantly charge it when not necessary. just like modern smart phones, it takes 5 years for the max battery life to be reduced by something like 15percent
i don't understand why a lot of people hate AA/AAA battery on pc peripherals, Rechargeable AA/AAA Lithium-Ion battery exist and its really light. with regular built-in battery, if the battery fails, it's not always easy to find the replacement, meanwhile it's easy to find AA/AAA battery and cheaper. then if the battery run out of juice, just change the AA/AAA battery, and recharge the used AA/AAA battery. i still use my Logitech G603, i want to upgrade but all new mouse use build in battery, this makes me hold the upgrade until now
Simply becayse they make the mouse way heavier, which is annoying to most people. Even just for day to day use. It's also less convenient and expensive since you'd have to keep buying batteries over and over or you'd have to invest in quality rechargeable batteries + recharging station which quickly add up to the cost of the mouse. You could make the point of getting cheap rechargable batteries, but then you'd be back at swapping them every few months regardless since rechargable batteries don't last forever either, if having less waste was a concern you'd go with a wired mice which would last you until one of the switches die.
Just these "light mouse" gamers are complaining. The G309 reviewers have been a bit silly applying their standards to a mouse meant for a different group of gamers.
@@spammus1 The mouse is meant for fans of the G305, G602, G603, G604. People who are fine with using a AA. I don't think Logitech will make a mouse rival the GPX2 in weight without being $150 as well.
@@spammus1 Bro just use a AAA battery with a tinfoil ball on the tip, literally all you have to do - it's lighter than even the retarded adapter the guy was using in the review.
Honestly I'd prefer a removable battery. There is no internal battery that can fail if there is no internal battery. That is one of the things I don't like about my mouse right now, the battery is not hot-swappable.
So let me get this straight. Logitech provides a user serviceable, easily swappable, standard form factory battery with an ability to choose between weight and life bucking a common planned obsolescence strategy, and this is a bad thing? What?
when they charge as much as they do when chinese clones that have better hardware and specs and (depending on brand and sometimes luck of the draw), yes. weight distribution with non rechargeable batteries have weight distribution that is uneven as well
This is outdated tech at a premium price, you can get a Lamzu, Waizowl, Zaopin, Ajazz or Darmoshark for the same price with a 3395 sensor, nordic mcu and 4-8k polling rate and 30 grams lighter and there are also hot swappable models so you can theoretically expand the lifespan far beyond logitechs 2 year warranty that is Logitechs biggest selling point, this mouse is made for people who do not know, or do not care and just want a mouse that seems "higher end" despite it just being an older model no one wanted with a new coat of paint.
@@Grandmaster-Kush there is a literally video of someone recording the difference between 1k vs 8k. on a 540hz monitor with a Slow mo camera. STILL couldn't see a difference. 8k polling rate is nothing but marketing. that basically means you arent seeing a difference in real time ether. offers nothing other than burning through your battery and increasing cpu usage.
I used to main a Logitech m510 and the biggest thing I miss from it was its removable battery / battery life. That thing would last over a year without me having to swap out the 2 eneloop batteries without me ever flipping off the switch. When it did finally run out of battery, recharging was as simple as swapping out for a different pair of eneloop batteries to use for the next year. While I haven’t been bitten by it yet, I keep forgetting to charge my new mouse when I go to bed. I miss not even having to think about it. :(
That may be a good thing, it's better for battery health to not leave it charging when full (commonly happens when people go to sleep) but also not let it completely die
@@xboxbenny Pro and above, forget about SE and normal G3, they are both 3311 Pro : 1K Polling, 300 mAh, 60g Max : 1K Wired, 8K Wireless (Seperate dongle required), 500 mAh, 64g Ultra : 8K Wired/Wireless (Dongle included), 500 mAh, 64g
PAW3311 isn't bad at all. It's the successor of the 3335. I've tried few mice with it and it's percfetly usable as a budget option. No real difference in usage from the 3395 (ok, maybe battery life bcs worse MCU)
I have very small hands and the G305 was one of the affordable yet more comfortable mice for me at the beginning. BUT I have since switched to the Endgame Gear OP1 8k (available wired and wireless). Superb shape, lightweight and costs about €80. Really recommend!
THB Bluetooth is a good addition, I use the G305 as my portable mouse for my laptop, but my XPS doesn't have full size USB ports anymore, so having the option for Bluetooth is nice.
Wtf is wrong with gaming mouse supporting Bluetooth also? I'm waiting for years for a proper Logitech G mouse which I can connect with dongle via Lightspeed for gaming on my PC, and the switching to my Mac for work via Bluetooth. If they made G502 with dual mode, it would be a bestseller
Closest thing I got is the Razer Basilisk X (which I put in my work bag, switching between 2.4GHz on the work laptop and BT when I need to do tech support on a Mac) until it crapped out on me and I sold the RMA unit cause already have an Orochi V2 (with the same 2.4GHz + BT dual mode) anyways
THIS ^^^, having the option for Bluetooth is a net positive, like if you want performance then dont use it, and it doesnt seem to be making it bloated as a result
@@Passon4Pastry exactly, it’s like a form of “quick switcher” Both my DeathAdder V2 Pro + Orochi V2 mice, and a tri-mode keyboard have their Bluetooth paired to my iPad when I need to use them with it
most people who complain about bluetooth latency are streamers who don't do anything with their pc except play mediocre fps games and need all power throttle to that
This should've been a screwless hot swap switch socket mod friendly modernized version for $29. It would've sold many millions. If they had supplied free data for 3D printing mods on their website too Logitech would've scored so hard for zero cost to them. Instead we got this nonsense.
most people don't care about swapping the switch out and if they do is soldering really that hard? who are these enthusiast modders who don't understand soldering lmao
While there is lots of valid critcism here, the removable battery will always be a plus for me. A friend of mine had their battery in his original G Pro mouse fail after 3 years of use. Right after their warranty. While there were some off-brand chinese replacements available, Logitech couldn't provide any or didn't want to. Logitech suggested a 20 Euro discount for the current G Pro Superlight inside the overpriced Logitech store, so it was basically priced like the Amazon listing at that time... A removable battery would have saved him.
Seems like an easy fix. Buy a new lithium battery and replace. Taking apart the mouse isn't hard and gives you the option to change skates. You can also make holes on the skates so you can access the screws without taking the skates off.
I havent modded my g305, but I absolutely swear by it. Fantastic mouse, incredible battery life, feels amazing just stock. I would never use a powerplay mousepad, since I use a huge mousepad for better accuracy. I also don't really feel like they need to do a lot to update it, but considering that the most popular mod is to use a triple A battery, just that alone and maybe other weight reductions would have been plenty to make fans happy. Swappable batteries are still great for gaming, since you can hotswap them rather than being screwed if you forgot to charge your mouse, and the g305 does last for weeks/months of gaming without needing a new battery, at least for me.
As someone with a G903 I never saw the point in the charging mousepad... The mouse won't get lighter and it already only needs to be charged once every few months, and that price tag... it ain't appealing.
g100s was beast back in the day, always loved egg mice. my later g203 was great, but when I wanted to try wireless the best they had was the g305 with AA batts... and now when they finally make a new wireless egg it's just a more expensive g305 with g502 aesthetics lmao
An easily replaceable battery isn't terrible in itself, though they should've gone for the smaller one. Rechargeable batteries don't have an infinite shelf life, much lower than the optical switches, though the scrolling wheel is usually the point of failure so perhaps they should focus on that.
Love how there's no middle ground. Either you get a mouse with a AA/AAA cell slot, or you get an non user replaceable battery entombed within it, that will eventually e-waste the whole mouse, bc trying to change it has great chances of going wrong (yay flat cables). There's no convincing argument to explain why there's no slot/cover to easily reach the battery on any and all modern devices that use them, besides just Planned Obsolescence.
Agreed. And there are a lot of replaceable li-ion batteries, the issue is that the voltage is different from alkaline "AA/AAA" batteries. Allowing for an option of a different voltage does not add much cost. But no, either single-use cell or non-replacable pouch.
Flat cables? Are you living under a rock? Every single wireless mouse now has a really simple battery with a connector with normal round wires. Changing a mouse battery is a matter of unscrewing 4 screws, disconnecting the old one and plugging the new one. And you should do this once every 2-3 years. If people are not willing to put 15 minutes of work every couple of years, maybe it's better if they stick to the awful 80 plus grams wired mice. Stay obsolete
@@LSSMIRAK any mouse with the DPI button and/or others on top's got one, in some models there are even others connecting components on the PCB, also, that you gotta be really observant of during disassembly; although some are now coming with normal wires, that are more manageable. Still, 99% of the time, the screws are behind the feet and the info tag. GL and HF taking these off without deforming the feet/tag and dealing with the adhesive losing grip afterwards. And the shell's usually clamped together, requiring a screwdriver to pry open, inevitably denting the plastic. So the point is, you can hardly hope not to damage your property in order to do basic stuff like this. If weight's not relevant, I can just pop a 2.600 mAh Eneloop AA on a mouse that, if needed be, can just be swapped with any chinesium alkaline cell, that's sold wherever, in 10 seconds, and that's after ~6 months of daily use (w/o RGB) on a single charge. While when a "super premium" mouse's Li-Ion cell - that at most packs ~900 mAh - goes bad/loses charge, you either gotta go wired from several hours to forever, or try your luck on a specialist battery site (or shady eBay/AliExpress stores) to try to get one with the same make and model, and do the lengthy replacement process. So if something as trivial as a slotted lid can be done with AA/AAA cells, why can't it be the same with Li-Ion cells?
Replaceable battery is hands down a better solution. On board battery is kinda planned obsolescence not everyone is adept enough to replace those. What I dont like about is the plastic they use on the thumb grip. it's planned obsolescence too. first it gets soft, then sticky, then slowly peels away. G305 did not have this problem but g403, 603, 703 and 604 did.
the difference between a 50 gram mouse and a 100 gram mouse is hugely noticeable and once you get used to using lightweight, which most are these days, going back to heavy mice is uncomfortable and hard to get used to. lightweight allows for easier tracking of targets. only important really in fps i suppose but i like them for mobas and mmos, moving from target to target is buttery smooth
the reason i still use g304 till this day is how long the battery life spans and how easy it is to replace the battery. all of my non removable battery mouse always dies within a week because how abysmal the battery life is. logitech know how to make a good mouse, but the thing that logitech fails is their keyboards, they just don't know how to make a good keyboard. but i admit that their keyboard long lasting as well as their mouse.
these kind of drops just give you insight of where logitechs headspace is at right now and how they're keeping up with the times. it's even worse looking at their keyboard assortment
If you have the chance to visit SEA, there are so many local brands (rebranded from Chinese OEM) gaming mice that are actually have great specs with very affordable price. 3370 or 3395 sensor mice for about £30-£35. I bought mine 3 years ago and it’s still performing well.
I have this mouse, and the shape feels so unnatural. If you try to pick up your mouse to reposition it, its almost always falls from under your palm unless you have sticky grippy palm grip... The switches and buttons feel good though. The battery life is also nice. I just want them to update the G305 and G703.
I say NO to not having bluetooth on wireless mouse, even if the performance while using bluetooth is not there, it's still nice to have, and the 305 is a quality, fairly smol mouse to pick up and go
My G603 uses Bluetooth, it’s great. I lost the adapter so my mouse still works because of the Bluetooth option. The reason they use AA is pretty obvious to me, you can pop in a battery and keep going, where if your internal battery dies, you’re stuck attached to a cable or a mouse that’s dead.
4:32 who cares about the mouse weight? light weight mice is the "solution" on the Apple level, first we need to made up a problem to sell people the solution... 😂 dude
I still prefer a removable cylindrical battery, though. It's not just about the battery life (which most alkaline mice win over lithium mice anyways) but also about its total service life. Two years of constant use and a lithium mouse is basically useless. They could do better with using a AAA battery.
Nothing wrong with preferring user servicable batteries, but your info on lithium batteries is extremely outdated. I've used a GPX Superlight every day for about 4 years and it is at about 85% what it was when I got it, or around 80 hours, so I plug it in once per week. Modern lithium batteries can easily go for 8-12 years before degrading.
In my country this mouse costs 15% of the monthly salary of an average person. Whereas some local or Chinese counterparts would start from roughly 20$. Why would I buy a 80$ mouse when a similar is available at 20$. Yes people may argue better sensor, better switches, better build but It's not that the 80$ mouse is going to make me top ranked player in all the competitive games. I am currently using a g305 mostly because its a good gaming mouse + it's wireless + I grabbed it at around 25$ during Amazon sale. All these companies start with offering good products at reasonable price and when their brand grows they charge premium as if their product has been imported from outer space.
The answer is quite simple, really. Logitech is deathly afraid that their brand will go stale if year after year they pump out the same shape. Nevermind that we've been telling them they need to stick to their establish shapes for YEARS, and never mind that they enjoyed massive success with the MX518 rehash and the exteded G502 family. But no, the marketing people insist that Logitech should be a brand of "innovation", even if it means parting ways with what _clearly_ works and leaving the success of the new products to chance. To be fair, many of Logitech's cherished classics weren't received well at the beginning either, with G305 being ironically one of them, as it was a slight departure from the "tried-and-true" G100 shape. People did eventually warm up to it, so hard to say if the G309 will be the same.
"enjoyed massive success with the MX518 rehash" Bro, nobody bought that thing except people who had already previously owned an MX518. I don't know a single person who uses one. Mqybe it's just me, because on paper the 518 wasn't a bad option for a mouse, but I've never seen one in the wild.
@@HarmonicVector We don't need to rely on your personal anecdotes. The truth is that it was the best selling Logitech gaming mouse pre-2010, enjoying a good run of 6 years before being replaced by the identical G400, and then _brought back_ in 2019 with an updated HERO sensor. If nobody bought this shape, you think Logitech would bring it back for another run?
@@andyyang5234 I have never referred to the original run of the MX518. I have referred to the MX518 Legendary, which you stated "enjoyed massive success", even though this updated mouse was rarely sold at retail.
2:31 i see this as a plus, i have a g305 and the battery lasted me for like 1 and a half years. i honestly also dont think that the weight of the g305 was a problem
Nah,i like the removable battery idea more. internal rechargeable battery tends to degrade faster and soon enough you have to plug in the cable a lot of times.
@@omegaPhix if it is designed to open the mouse and replace the battery easily ,sure. But its not. I tried doing that with my razer viper, for some reason the replacement battery overheats so fast i had to put to the old battery back. Didnt touch it ever since, my point, DIY is not for everyone.
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Personally, I hate light mice. I use a wireless mouse with 2 x alcaline batteries, 134 grams (I just measured it). Maybe because I claw grip it. I love the weight though. Just a personal preference.
@@browniex5120 Of course I have. Wired and wireless. They just don't feel right to me. I have even tried one of those silent mice that don't make the clicking sound and click feedback. Those are jsut blasphemy.
7:20 I have an AJazz AK510 retro mechanical keyboard, and I am _very_ impressed with the build quality for the price. I paid around $50 - 65 for it, and it's built like a fucking tank. Nicely heavy, no board flex, feels solid in the hands and absolutely rock solid sitting on the desk. If you're looking for budget gaming peripheral brands to check out, they should be on your short list. I originally bought this thing for work because I needed a new keyboard and wanted something "good enough" for office use, and it has since replaced my more expensive keyboard I had for my main rig. It probably won't stay here forever, as I do want to get back to my clicky keys (these are browns), but in the interim it has been a very nice typing/ gaming experience and I like the style a lot.
Man. I remember the good old days of my G502 with full weights on a control mousepad. At least spray control with it is awesome because your aim won't shake from the micro adjustments. Flicking is a pain though. Only got rid of it because it always had the same issue with all my previous Logitech mice: Doubleclicking over time.
My M220 / M221 also has a noise-making battery cover. What I do is I take a piece of tissue, roll it up and stuff it into the battery compartment like some kind of sponge which stops the cover from moving.
I'm using this mouse now on The First Descendent. And yes, I have many lighter wirelesses mice. But I'm enjoying the shape and the other all feel of it. But sadly, this wasn't the mouse most were expecting from Logitech. edit: And I agree, it's a good mouse, but not a great mouse.
I mean, I really, really, really love the idea of having a "wireless wired mouse", but I want to use a good mousepad and not some logitech crap that I have to change every 3 months or so. And even then, 68g is pretty damn heavy nowadays when you can get fingertip mice at under 30g and even big mice are starting to be under 60g.
Bluetooth is important if your using a MacBook, I don't use the dongle unless I'm gaming. Still I have a Pro X brand new because I don't play on PC anymore, only consoles, but I got used to gaming mice, I use the g305 for One for all mouse, but it's nice to have options when this one dies or watch this on sale, also in Mac i have to use the USB hub to connect the dongle, which it's annoying IMO
As a person who upgraded from a cheap 5$ mouse to G309 it was a big upgrade, as a person who thrives in competitive gaming it helped me reach ascendent from Plat in valorant and literally fucking global elite in cs
And here i thought this was gonna be about how they've turned the G502 into a claw grip mouse that doesn't last even a year with use. Interesting to see the enshittification going on with other models.
Also wanted to mention, I legit went back to my 2012 model G502 from the modern G502 hero I got because of how bad it was. Uncomfortable to hold, double clicks and refuses to register held right clicks, all after about a year of use. Meanwhile, my 2012 one? comfy, nice and heavy (all weights), and no issues except the cord getting old.
My gripes with Logitech are the ever inflating prices and the fact that my mouse and keyboard have multiple issues after a few years... Double inputs, dead LEDs, dead scroll wheel, broken key cap.
It's funny because I've recently been switching up my setup for the first time in a few years, and I just picked up the original G305 on sale for 30 bucks. I'm gonna say just one thing. I really think you're selling these features short; I've always loved Logitech battery powered mice. My first mouse was a Logitech office mouse, which I used for three years and only changed the battery once. In contrast, I've used a G502 Lightspeed for the last five years and the feature that I hated the most, besides that I realized wayyy too late that the form factor just wasn't for me anymore, was that every week or so, I had to plug it in. Not quite long enough that it was worth removing the cable from my desk, but long enough for it to unmanage itself. Rather than enduring the AA-Battery, I'm fully sold on it as a feature. Having said that, yeah, the G309 doesn't seem like a worthwhile purchase compared to my new G305.
You need to do more reviews on Chinese gaming mice, they are so underrated in the western market, I'm using a VXE R1 Pro, this thing has great software, great build quality and it's only around $40 where I live
@@vinay4642 On the MouseReview subreddit. I've seen a few mention connection issues on the regular R1. That and it doesn't have a coating. I'd spend the extra for the Pro withj its Nordic MCU (processor); for better energy efficiency and connection, best mechanical switches, 4K polling compatibility (have to buy 4K dongle) and coating. Well worth the extra 10-15 or so dollars. I have the R1 Pro, which I got on sale for £26. And £9 for the 4K dongle. Best value mouse at the moment, and something that isn't complete rubbish like a lot of Attack Shark/Ajazz budget offerings.
ATK X1 (same company) is a Viper V3 clone for much less $$ as well. Great quality. For some reason, I can't find a 1:1 clone for the GPRO Superlight...
I used G403 (hero) near every day for work, fps and moba games for over 4 years, and everything still works perfectly, so if you want a reliable mouse, consider this
It isn't just this, they covertly discontinued the G600 MMO mouse, which use to be around 50 USD (now its over $200) and are replacing it with garbage like this.
I really wanted a g502 wireless but decided against that and got a g309 just because of the fact it had a removeable battery. i really don't mind the weight, i kinda like a mouse with heft to it. also the fact i don't have to take the dongle with me when i go from my home pc to my laptop for work is a good bonus, no more accidently lost dongles! Rip the 2 g305 that are now sitting on my shelf because of that
THEY ARE OVER PRICING THESE THIONGS WAY TOO MUCH, imagine if every one can afford these things, they could grab the whole world market, but they cant see that far ahead, and decided to follow apples plan
AAs are arguably the best way to power a wireless mouse. Its the only option that doesnt turn your mouse into e-waste in 5 years. Bluetooth is useful too, i have my 603 connected with lightspeed to my pc and paired with bluetooth to my laptop. Its perfectly adequate for desktop work, even older games.
@omegaPhix my experience doing shit like this is exactly why I'm against it. You can find replacement batteries now, but how about 3 years from now? 5 years? 8 years? Your best bet will be trying to find a similar sized generic cell and yes, soldiering a new connector to it.
their keyboards always look cheap to me imo, and their color options are weird, I much prefer akko or keychron if we're talking build quality on a budget
Bluetooth means that I can use it for travel with my laptop for generally out and about work. And only plug in the dongle for hardcore gaming. That's the only improvement I see over my G305.
Won’t be long before Windows cashes in and starts charging you anytime you plug something into a computers port. You’ll lease the port and be charged by the minute. It’s getting this crazy
Lots of enthusiasts want better mice and some innovation from Logi. What we get is a more updated and uglified G305 with some tweaks but still using AA batteries. Its no wonder why a lot of gamers are turned off the brand. The GPX 2 is good but the competition has stepped up their game (Razer) and you have upcoming mice from China that are killing it in the budget range to $100. At $80 this is complete rip off for a AA battery powered (80g+) gaming mouse. For less you could get a Mchose G3 or something like VXE R1 Pro for well under $50.
@@hinchlikescake7592 one device was design for easy of replacement the other was not. this one simple design difference causes 95% of customers to buy a new device instead of replacing the battery. this is basic information of how any market works.
@@GSixFiveFourThreeFourDashTwo that alone makes 95% of users BUY a new mouse. not everyone wants to track down which battery it uses. so using a standard battery is just better for most. if you want a G pro. there is already a G pro in the market.
I have this mouse, got it when it was basically announced, and along with the g515 it's my favorite setup for both productivity and gaming. Since I work off a laptop for school (plugged into a monitor) and have a separate gaming computer, the ability to switch from dongle to bluethooth with a button is amazing for me and has got me to never worry about plugging in stuff.
My primary requirement in a mouse, assuming the rest mediocre or better, is reliability and longevity. I don't want to buy a new mouse every few months (or batteries in wireless mice), I don't one of the mouse buttons to become hit or miss or doubling. I want a scroll wheel that just works.
I'm a g502 user. I use a wireless mouse for my laptop, but I wouldn't want a wireless mouse, especially for gaming where my desktop doesn't move and I don't want the hassle of having to replace or charge batteries. I also use my g502 with all the weights installed, as my aim has never been good enough for the lighter mouse to matter and I prefer the heavier feel. But I still see why people where disappointed with the g309
When I saw Logitech has EOL my favourite mouse G502 and headset G633 (yes, both are wired peripherals), I went to buy two each as spares for the future. The problem is both devices are still working well and I have no cause to change them out...
I love the G305... the only issue is the left/right click buttons always fail, right after the 2-year warranty period so I have to buy another one. I'm sure this is part of logitech's business strategy. "Mouse as a service" lol
I don't think the G305 clones were an exclusivity thing and were really just the factory they make them in in China decided to make their own because China doesn't acknowledge any IP laws. Also Logitech's worst move was that like 6 months they tried to change the name to Logi. That was so dumb
Yes and started as one of the crappiest companies out there, i remember in 2004 where people had a Logitech mouse cause they simply had no money for something else. meanwhile evryone who had money had a mouse from other companies that were far superior back then like Razer. dunno when that change suddenly happened that Logitech became big, but i simply remember how people laughed at you for having Logitech stuff.
Dunno what went wrong there, i just needed a mouse with a few extra buttons for extra productivity, but in 10 years Logi has not been able to produce a mouse for a normal hand, i swear they all feel like a used up soap bar.
In the early 90s a keyboard was 100usd, a mouse 80usd. 10 years later, the Internet existed, everybody had a computer and you would get cheap keyboards starting at 20usd suddenly. Almost the same quality. But nowadays we are back to these ridiculous high prices. Mice for 100usd, keyboards for double the price. It's really not worth it, to me at least. I, personally, don't ever have to buy a mouse again. If I just dig deep enough I will find an old Logitech mouse with cable but no wheel 😅. Before that different Bluetooth mice should still exist, if no battery leakage ruined one. That's annoying, if you finally find that old apple remote thingy and then the battery has leaked and it doesn't work anymore.
The powerplay pad is excellent tech. It doesn't actually need to cover all the mousing area, just the area that is used the bulk of the time - it can just be extended with something to match the height. However... it does only cost about $5 to make, or could cost that if they cared to cost optimise it. You can't buy a sensor+lens for that price, not even the very mediocre ones. It's clearly designed to be a high margin, low volume product, not a mass market one. G3 is not an OEM moonlighting Logitech's stuff, it's just a completely different mouse built to the same overall shape. Logitech can't stop it from being sold and bought, but they will stop it from going to retail in most of the world. You should also not cover it with too much praise without trying, including wireless packet loss issues. But i also doubt g305 is going away to be replaced by g309. People still put stock into Logitech's brand name and their retail access gives them a massive advantage. They can't just exit the 40-50€ price bracket in retail, because people won't be ready to spend anywhere near 90€ on a mouse, they'll just buy random competitor retail mice instead. I like the changes to the g309 but this is not an adequate price for a mouse powered by an AA battery.
Nah, Razer actually listens 90% of the time. Logitech just sticks their head in the sand and then finally releases the product people want several years too late. Steelseries is just in a coma apparently.
$200 to capitalize on the removed battery weight, bringing it down to 68 grams. At that point you may as well just get a Viper V3 Pro for $180. 95 hour rechargeable battery life, 54gram weight, And it comes with a 4k polling dongle.
At this point steelseries has a good shot at a comeback
lmao good one
I recently changed from steelseries to logitech and i never been happier and more satisfied, that steelseries gg software was a nightmare.
@@deck1m007 the sad part is that I used to love steel series. They had some of the best mice back in the day. My brother still uses a 5 yr rival 110 and my rival 3 lasted 3 years. If they would release a Wireless 3950 rival 3 at 60ish grams I would buy it in a heart beat
@@Ad4m-cooks 😂
My logitech always face the ground And spin
"I think they went with the removable option to sell powerplay mousepads"
Friend, I don't think a mouse that lasts over a month on a single battery, which is replaceable in seconds, is going to sell any significant amount of powerplay mousepads.
You and him are different audiences, he truly believes that making a mouse lighter is everything, so he only sses it as a 200$ Mouse. Normal People dont care if the mouse weighs 15g more and I believe more things should have removable batteries in them. And in the end the Powerplay Mat is a genius Product which truly solves the Mouse Game, he just needs to cut a 2mm thicks outline of the mousepad embed it flush with his Table and use any Mouspad he wants.
@@CASyHD. well is the "SUPERLIGHT" for a reason, normal people would not look for a lightweight wireless gaming mice to begin with
normal people would go to the mx line of logitech mice
@@framedthunder6436 this is not the superlight this is the G309...
My G305 lasts 3 months with daily use, i use duracell or energizer batteries only. (performance mode and 1000Hz pulling rate)
@@CASyHD. Oh... Now I remember where I know him from. He threw a fit about the g502.
6:20 saying "PLAY WITHOUT LIMITS" while showing their tiny mousepad is crazy
lol good one, if someone actually bought that mousepad, my first question would be why not just get an aliexpress £5 mouse? cuz ur not making use of the sensor u paid that much for, oh an... why wireless? u cant even feel the cable if thats how much space u got to move the mouse, great thinking by logitech, im here wanting a bigger mousepad than my almost a metre long mousepad (its pretty short in vertical)
@@sens_120msfor me thats kinda a big mousepad
@@13zplays i play very low sens (eq to r6s 9sens with 400dpi and windows mouse slider on 3 (idk if the windows setting matters)) but even then i think Logitechs mousepad is too small even for the typical sens players.
@sens_120ms well i play 3500 dpi
I don't understand how they are able to make the g pro x superlight the way it is but just refuse to give the rest of their mouse line up the same treatment. Like seriously, what's stopping them? Are they trying to be quirky? It's giving me the same vibe as when razer refused to make a viper mini pro.
@@Billy_The_Frog I'm guessing the vast majority of their sales are in lower end, cheaper mice, it's easy to forget that people in countries like the US and the UK are among the top 1% of wealth in the world. There are many non western countries with MASSIVE populations that on average spend less but in bulk outspend westerners by a long shot countries like India, Indonesia, etc etc
@@Billy_The_Frog respectfully, the gpx 2 is the most mid high end mouse on the market. the ulx is just better, and if you cant find it in stock then the beastx is a good alternative, and if you have a lower budget, the op1 8k is still a better choice than the gpx 2 for half the price imo
@@imbatts Dont worry, i completely agree that the superlight 2 is mid. But what i meant was how they upgraded the g pro wireless into the superlight 1. It was such a well received upgrade and yet they just stopped there. They never tried upgrading another mouse to be given the "Superlight" title. It's extremely confusing because it just seems like wasted potential. It's as if the engineers who worked on the superlight 1 had left and they no longer have the expertise to make lightweight mice. So many people have been hoping for their old logitech mice to be given the superlight 1 treatment for years, but logitech has airpods on and cant hear anything.
@@cacaulaymulkin7724 And yet their recent releases have all been high cost with very little value in return. If they profit more from lower end stuff, you would think they would make more affordable products. Especially ones that dont force people to buy their powerplay mat.
Wholeheartedly agree. Also discontinuing some products with no replacement, like the G600. It used to be massively popular back in the day, pretty much most people I knew in WoW or generally extra button intensive games swore by it.
I don't understand of why all the hate about the replaceable battery. It's great folks, trust me on this. Get 2 rechargeable AA battery and you practically have unlimited battery life. No more being tethered to a cable when you're low on battery, just plug a new battery in and charge the other one and you're good to go. And weight wise, i mean come on. 75g with AAA battery is good. You won't notice much going below 80g. And even if you do, i think that having a small weight compromise for unlimited battery life is still a good tradeoff.
So yeah, 309 is a good mouse, just misunderstood imho.
I'm still using Logitech MX518 which is almost 120g. People are crybabies, this mouse is great! Will get it soon
@@SenSation25 I have their old mouse (G5 I think) with ADDITIONAL weights you can install if you wish to.
Its funny because i do have a wireless keyboard with AAA batteries and what i do is, swap with my house phone... they charge and its needed so its always fresh batteries ... however i don't know how much they take to charge but honestly my keyboard takes months to swap batteries anyway
Yeah this "race to the lowest weight" trend in the newest gaming mice is getting ridiculous at this point. 60-80g is still fairly light for a mouse.
@@admaerable yep g502 got all the weights in that is perfection for a mouse
Honestly the removable battery is better, you can have one in mouse and second ready charged on standby -> 5 second recharge and when it eventually goes bad, you can just change the battery and not the whole mouse. I don't honestly really understand non removable Lion batteries in apliances.
@@CortyCze hot swappable batteries are great in theory but there is an obvious tradeoff required in order to facilitate a way to mount the battery such that will impact the overall design. Maybe that's a worthwhile tradeoff for the right use case but the battery life for internal batteries are so bonkers these days that charging is a complete non issue. My pro X superlight will turn the status light red under 20% charge which if I see that is a sign I need to plug it in. Eventually, because thats still over 10hrs left so I just do that when I'm finished my current session and turning off. I've never had it run out of charge while using it and the tradeoffs to weight and such aren't remotely worth it to me for a problem that isn't really a big problem anymore. Yes it's somewhat harder to repair when that battery eventually starts to die but it's still doable with some simple diy. If plugging devices in to charge is that inconvenient try getting one of those usb cables with a detachable magnetic tip. It stays in the device which you then move within the general vicinity of the cable end and tada it's plugged in and charging.
I die a little inside when people advocate for non-removable batteries.
THIS! Oh my god why do people keep asking for less repairable and limited lifespan devices? Honest to god this crap drives me nuts
My headphones (Arctis Nova Pro Wireless) may be overpriced and kinda meh in general, but the removable battery makes them simply superior to every other wireless headset I've used. When the battery runs out, it's a 3-4 second replacement and I have a fully charged battery again, instead of having to wait 30 minutes or more for it to charge. I would like the convenience of wireless mice and keyboards, but I won't make the switch until there's replaceable lithium batteries in everything.
Ummm newsflash... You can make a repairable mouse with an internal battery. Sure it'll be harder to open but I'd rather open my mouse once every 2 years to replace the battery rather than use something that is 30g heavier everyday everytime I need to move my mouse.
Oh btw I bought attack shark x3 for 18 bucks. I could have bought 2 for less than 40 bucks to swap between when one dies. Also, battery lasts so long that I have only charged it once in 2 months lol.
Repairability doesn't mean shit can't get better and smaller. It means that devices should not make it hard to repair on purpose. Internal batteries aren't bad. Having no screws or hiding them under mouse feet is anti-repair
Also the amount of waste with disposable batteries is higher.
i dont see how the non-removable battery is better than a removable one. rechargeable batteries goes to shit after awhile and once it does, theyre expensive to replace. meanwhile with the rechargeable removable, battery, you can have one in the charging bay while still using your mouse. when the current battery dies just switch it with the new fully charged battery. quick and simple
removable battery causes uneven weight distribution, and non removable batteries in modern mouse have a long life if you don’t constantly charge it when not necessary. just like modern smart
phones, it takes 5 years for the max battery life to be reduced by something like 15percent
i don't understand why a lot of people hate AA/AAA battery on pc peripherals, Rechargeable AA/AAA Lithium-Ion battery exist and its really light. with regular built-in battery, if the battery fails, it's not always easy to find the replacement, meanwhile it's easy to find AA/AAA battery and cheaper. then if the battery run out of juice, just change the AA/AAA battery, and recharge the used AA/AAA battery.
i still use my Logitech G603, i want to upgrade but all new mouse use build in battery, this makes me hold the upgrade until now
hell yeah brother, 603 superior form
Simply becayse they make the mouse way heavier, which is annoying to most people. Even just for day to day use.
It's also less convenient and expensive since you'd have to keep buying batteries over and over or you'd have to invest in quality rechargeable batteries + recharging station which quickly add up to the cost of the mouse. You could make the point of getting cheap rechargable batteries, but then you'd be back at swapping them every few months regardless since rechargable batteries don't last forever either, if having less waste was a concern you'd go with a wired mice which would last you until one of the switches die.
Just these "light mouse" gamers are complaining. The G309 reviewers have been a bit silly applying their standards to a mouse meant for a different group of gamers.
@@spammus1 The mouse is meant for fans of the G305, G602, G603, G604. People who are fine with using a AA. I don't think Logitech will make a mouse rival the GPX2 in weight without being $150 as well.
@@spammus1 Bro just use a AAA battery with a tinfoil ball on the tip, literally all you have to do - it's lighter than even the retarded adapter the guy was using in the review.
Honestly I'd prefer a removable battery. There is no internal battery that can fail if there is no internal battery. That is one of the things I don't like about my mouse right now, the battery is not hot-swappable.
It can't be that hard to just replace the battery
The battery is unironically the best part of the g305 cause you don’t have to load it
So let me get this straight. Logitech provides a user serviceable, easily swappable, standard form factory battery with an ability to choose between weight and life bucking a common planned obsolescence strategy, and this is a bad thing? What?
@@michaelkreitzer1369 too heavy for serious mouse nerds like me and DL
Battery makes most mice back heavy
when they charge as much as they do when chinese clones that have better hardware and specs and (depending on brand and sometimes luck of the draw), yes. weight distribution with non rechargeable batteries have weight distribution that is uneven as well
This is outdated tech at a premium price, you can get a Lamzu, Waizowl, Zaopin, Ajazz or Darmoshark for the same price with a 3395 sensor, nordic mcu and 4-8k polling rate and 30 grams lighter and there are also hot swappable models so you can theoretically expand the lifespan far beyond logitechs 2 year warranty that is Logitechs biggest selling point, this mouse is made for people who do not know, or do not care and just want a mouse that seems "higher end" despite it just being an older model no one wanted with a new coat of paint.
@@Grandmaster-Kush there is a literally video of someone recording the difference between 1k vs 8k. on a 540hz monitor with a Slow mo camera. STILL couldn't see a difference. 8k polling rate is nothing but marketing. that basically means you arent seeing a difference in real time ether. offers nothing other than burning through your battery and increasing cpu usage.
I used to main a Logitech m510 and the biggest thing I miss from it was its removable battery / battery life. That thing would last over a year without me having to swap out the 2 eneloop batteries without me ever flipping off the switch. When it did finally run out of battery, recharging was as simple as swapping out for a different pair of eneloop batteries to use for the next year.
While I haven’t been bitten by it yet, I keep forgetting to charge my new mouse when I go to bed. I miss not even having to think about it. :(
That may be a good thing, it's better for battery health to not leave it charging when full (commonly happens when people go to sleep) but also not let it completely die
Every fan of G305 looking for a replacement - check out Mchose G3
Which variant to buy though?
@@xboxbenny Pro and above, forget about SE and normal G3, they are both 3311
Pro : 1K Polling, 300 mAh, 60g
Max : 1K Wired, 8K Wireless (Seperate dongle required), 500 mAh, 64g
Ultra : 8K Wired/Wireless (Dongle included), 500 mAh, 64g
Check the ARYE FCC1 as well 😉
PAW3311 isn't bad at all. It's the successor of the 3335. I've tried few mice with it and it's percfetly usable as a budget option. No real difference in usage from the 3395 (ok, maybe battery life bcs worse MCU)
I have very small hands and the G305 was one of the affordable yet more comfortable mice for me at the beginning. BUT I have since switched to the Endgame Gear OP1 8k (available wired and wireless). Superb shape, lightweight and costs about €80. Really recommend!
THB Bluetooth is a good addition, I use the G305 as my portable mouse for my laptop, but my XPS doesn't have full size USB ports anymore, so having the option for Bluetooth is nice.
Wtf is wrong with gaming mouse supporting Bluetooth also? I'm waiting for years for a proper Logitech G mouse which I can connect with dongle via Lightspeed for gaming on my PC, and the switching to my Mac for work via Bluetooth.
If they made G502 with dual mode, it would be a bestseller
Closest thing I got is the Razer Basilisk X (which I put in my work bag, switching between 2.4GHz on the work laptop and BT when I need to do tech support on a Mac) until it crapped out on me and I sold the RMA unit cause already have an Orochi V2 (with the same 2.4GHz + BT dual mode) anyways
THIS ^^^, having the option for Bluetooth is a net positive, like if you want performance then dont use it, and it doesnt seem to be making it bloated as a result
@@Passon4Pastry exactly, it’s like a form of “quick switcher”
Both my DeathAdder V2 Pro + Orochi V2 mice, and a tri-mode keyboard have their Bluetooth paired to my iPad when I need to use them with it
most people who complain about bluetooth latency are streamers who don't do anything with their pc except play mediocre fps games and need all power throttle to that
It's good for most people but in terms of competitive gaming and such stuff it has pretty bad input lag, but over all a good thing
I actually don't mind the batteries I hate rechargable devices, the price is the reason I hate it lmaoo
This should've been a screwless hot swap switch socket mod friendly modernized version for $29. It would've sold many millions.
If they had supplied free data for 3D printing mods on their website too Logitech would've scored so hard for zero cost to them.
Instead we got this nonsense.
@@kesamek8537 investors dont care about allat
most people don't care about swapping the switch out and if they do is soldering really that hard? who are these enthusiast modders who don't understand soldering lmao
While there is lots of valid critcism here, the removable battery will always be a plus for me. A friend of mine had their battery in his original G Pro mouse fail after 3 years of use. Right after their warranty. While there were some off-brand chinese replacements available, Logitech couldn't provide any or didn't want to. Logitech suggested a 20 Euro discount for the current G Pro Superlight inside the overpriced Logitech store, so it was basically priced like the Amazon listing at that time...
A removable battery would have saved him.
Any 3.7v lithium cell would be a perfect replacement lol
Seems like an easy fix. Buy a new lithium battery and replace. Taking apart the mouse isn't hard and gives you the option to change skates. You can also make holes on the skates so you can access the screws without taking the skates off.
I would never buy a mouse with a non replaceable battery. I don't like replacing stuff every few years when their battery dies...
I havent modded my g305, but I absolutely swear by it. Fantastic mouse, incredible battery life, feels amazing just stock. I would never use a powerplay mousepad, since I use a huge mousepad for better accuracy. I also don't really feel like they need to do a lot to update it, but considering that the most popular mod is to use a triple A battery, just that alone and maybe other weight reductions would have been plenty to make fans happy. Swappable batteries are still great for gaming, since you can hotswap them rather than being screwed if you forgot to charge your mouse, and the g305 does last for weeks/months of gaming without needing a new battery, at least for me.
As someone with a G903 I never saw the point in the charging mousepad... The mouse won't get lighter and it already only needs to be charged once every few months, and that price tag... it ain't appealing.
When did a non-removable battery become a good thing for peaople??? Are you insane?
g100s was beast back in the day, always loved egg mice. my later g203 was great, but when I wanted to try wireless the best they had was the g305 with AA batts... and now when they finally make a new wireless egg it's just a more expensive g305 with g502 aesthetics lmao
wtf ur here 😊
@@hhhhkys lol hi
An easily replaceable battery isn't terrible in itself, though they should've gone for the smaller one. Rechargeable batteries don't have an infinite shelf life, much lower than the optical switches, though the scrolling wheel is usually the point of failure so perhaps they should focus on that.
Or just use a aaa battery with a ball of tinfoil on the tip
Love how there's no middle ground.
Either you get a mouse with a AA/AAA cell slot, or you get an non user replaceable battery entombed within it, that will eventually e-waste the whole mouse, bc trying to change it has great chances of going wrong (yay flat cables).
There's no convincing argument to explain why there's no slot/cover to easily reach the battery on any and all modern devices that use them, besides just Planned Obsolescence.
Agreed. And there are a lot of replaceable li-ion batteries, the issue is that the voltage is different from alkaline "AA/AAA" batteries. Allowing for an option of a different voltage does not add much cost. But no, either single-use cell or non-replacable pouch.
I just use a wired mouse, personally.
Flat cables? Are you living under a rock? Every single wireless mouse now has a really simple battery with a connector with normal round wires. Changing a mouse battery is a matter of unscrewing 4 screws, disconnecting the old one and plugging the new one. And you should do this once every 2-3 years. If people are not willing to put 15 minutes of work every couple of years, maybe it's better if they stick to the awful 80 plus grams wired mice. Stay obsolete
@@LSSMIRAK any mouse with the DPI button and/or others on top's got one, in some models there are even others connecting components on the PCB, also, that you gotta be really observant of during disassembly; although some are now coming with normal wires, that are more manageable.
Still, 99% of the time, the screws are behind the feet and the info tag. GL and HF taking these off without deforming the feet/tag and dealing with the adhesive losing grip afterwards. And the shell's usually clamped together, requiring a screwdriver to pry open, inevitably denting the plastic. So the point is, you can hardly hope not to damage your property in order to do basic stuff like this.
If weight's not relevant, I can just pop a 2.600 mAh Eneloop AA on a mouse that, if needed be, can just be swapped with any chinesium alkaline cell, that's sold wherever, in 10 seconds, and that's after ~6 months of daily use (w/o RGB) on a single charge. While when a "super premium" mouse's Li-Ion cell - that at most packs ~900 mAh - goes bad/loses charge, you either gotta go wired from several hours to forever, or try your luck on a specialist battery site (or shady eBay/AliExpress stores) to try to get one with the same make and model, and do the lengthy replacement process. So if something as trivial as a slotted lid can be done with AA/AAA cells, why can't it be the same with Li-Ion cells?
@@nope1918 wired mice are a hassle if you have a long term setup in your house
Replaceable battery is hands down a better solution. On board battery is kinda planned obsolescence not everyone is adept enough to replace those. What I dont like about is the plastic they use on the thumb grip. it's planned obsolescence too. first it gets soft, then sticky, then slowly peels away. G305 did not have this problem but g403, 603, 703 and 604 did.
Why do people care so much about the weight of a mouse, unless its obnoxiously heavy then it shouldnt be am issue
the difference between a 50 gram mouse and a 100 gram mouse is hugely noticeable and once you get used to using lightweight, which most are these days, going back to heavy mice is uncomfortable and hard to get used to. lightweight allows for easier tracking of targets. only important really in fps i suppose but i like them for mobas and mmos, moving from target to target is buttery smooth
I'd rather try hit radiant with a g502 with all the weights in than use that
I hit top 0.1% in competitive Aimlabs task using G 502 X Lightspeed at 102 grams.
i bet you're the guy who makes evrything abt valorant
@@Z.M.K_Editzbro what ☠️
@@IXAgir bro it takes 30 iq to understand that
@@Z.M.K_Editz yo this dudes funny
the reason i still use g304 till this day is how long the battery life spans and how easy it is to replace the battery. all of my non removable battery mouse always dies within a week because how abysmal the battery life is. logitech know how to make a good mouse, but the thing that logitech fails is their keyboards, they just don't know how to make a good keyboard. but i admit that their keyboard long lasting as well as their mouse.
these kind of drops just give you insight of where logitechs headspace is at right now and how they're keeping up with the times. it's even worse looking at their keyboard assortment
If you have the chance to visit SEA, there are so many local brands (rebranded from Chinese OEM) gaming mice that are actually have great specs with very affordable price. 3370 or 3395 sensor mice for about £30-£35. I bought mine 3 years ago and it’s still performing well.
I have this mouse, and the shape feels so unnatural. If you try to pick up your mouse to reposition it, its almost always falls from under your palm unless you have sticky grippy palm grip... The switches and buttons feel good though. The battery life is also nice.
I just want them to update the G305 and G703.
I say NO to not having bluetooth on wireless mouse, even if the performance while using bluetooth is not there, it's still nice to have, and the 305 is a quality, fairly smol mouse to pick up and go
My G603 uses Bluetooth, it’s great. I lost the adapter so my mouse still works because of the Bluetooth option. The reason they use AA is pretty obvious to me, you can pop in a battery and keep going, where if your internal battery dies, you’re stuck attached to a cable or a mouse that’s dead.
4:32 who cares about the mouse weight? light weight mice is the "solution" on the Apple level, first we need to made up a problem to sell people the solution... 😂 dude
As someone who has a power play just get a 2.5mm sheet of mdf and put a full desk pad over the top
I still prefer a removable cylindrical battery, though.
It's not just about the battery life (which most alkaline mice win over lithium mice anyways) but also about its total service life.
Two years of constant use and a lithium mouse is basically useless.
They could do better with using a AAA battery.
Nothing wrong with preferring user servicable batteries, but your info on lithium batteries is extremely outdated. I've used a GPX Superlight every day for about 4 years and it is at about 85% what it was when I got it, or around 80 hours, so I plug it in once per week. Modern lithium batteries can easily go for 8-12 years before degrading.
In my country this mouse costs 15% of the monthly salary of an average person. Whereas some local or Chinese counterparts would start from roughly 20$. Why would I buy a 80$ mouse when a similar is available at 20$. Yes people may argue better sensor, better switches, better build but It's not that the 80$ mouse is going to make me top ranked player in all the competitive games.
I am currently using a g305 mostly because its a good gaming mouse + it's wireless + I grabbed it at around 25$ during Amazon sale.
All these companies start with offering good products at reasonable price and when their brand grows they charge premium as if their product has been imported from outer space.
What's even the big deal with mouse weight, 10 grams extra means very little, at last to me.
The answer is quite simple, really. Logitech is deathly afraid that their brand will go stale if year after year they pump out the same shape. Nevermind that we've been telling them they need to stick to their establish shapes for YEARS, and never mind that they enjoyed massive success with the MX518 rehash and the exteded G502 family. But no, the marketing people insist that Logitech should be a brand of "innovation", even if it means parting ways with what _clearly_ works and leaving the success of the new products to chance.
To be fair, many of Logitech's cherished classics weren't received well at the beginning either, with G305 being ironically one of them, as it was a slight departure from the "tried-and-true" G100 shape. People did eventually warm up to it, so hard to say if the G309 will be the same.
"enjoyed massive success with the MX518 rehash"
Bro, nobody bought that thing except people who had already previously owned an MX518. I don't know a single person who uses one. Mqybe it's just me, because on paper the 518 wasn't a bad option for a mouse, but I've never seen one in the wild.
@@HarmonicVector We don't need to rely on your personal anecdotes. The truth is that it was the best selling Logitech gaming mouse pre-2010, enjoying a good run of 6 years before being replaced by the identical G400, and then _brought back_ in 2019 with an updated HERO sensor. If nobody bought this shape, you think Logitech would bring it back for another run?
@@andyyang5234 I have never referred to the original run of the MX518. I have referred to the MX518 Legendary, which you stated "enjoyed massive success", even though this updated mouse was rarely sold at retail.
@@HarmonicVector When I said MX518 rehash, I meant the MX518 itself as a rehash of MX500 and MX510.
2:31 i see this as a plus, i have a g305 and the battery lasted me for like 1 and a half years.
i honestly also dont think that the weight of the g305 was a problem
Nah,i like the removable battery idea more. internal rechargeable battery tends to degrade faster and soon enough you have to plug in the cable a lot of times.
And then you can just replace the internal battery?
@@omegaPhix if it is designed to open the mouse and replace the battery easily ,sure. But its not. I tried doing that with my razer viper, for some reason the replacement battery overheats so fast i had to put to the old battery back. Didnt touch it ever since, my point, DIY is not for everyone.
I watch your videos from time to time and an underrated thing I've always noticed from you, is that you're legit funny as fuck. Your channel deserves some more recognition because of that, in combination with the high end video production
Personally, I hate light mice. I use a wireless mouse with 2 x alcaline batteries, 134 grams (I just measured it). Maybe because I claw grip it. I love the weight though. Just a personal preference.
Have you actually EVER tried a light mice before? I have, and I think it’s a GAME changer for me 😅
@@browniex5120 Of course I have. Wired and wireless. They just don't feel right to me. I have even tried one of those silent mice that don't make the clicking sound and click feedback. Those are jsut blasphemy.
Removable battery is a non-issue.
The El Risitas audio in the background when you mention the battery is too good lmao
7:20 I have an AJazz AK510 retro mechanical keyboard, and I am _very_ impressed with the build quality for the price. I paid around $50 - 65 for it, and it's built like a fucking tank. Nicely heavy, no board flex, feels solid in the hands and absolutely rock solid sitting on the desk. If you're looking for budget gaming peripheral brands to check out, they should be on your short list. I originally bought this thing for work because I needed a new keyboard and wanted something "good enough" for office use, and it has since replaced my more expensive keyboard I had for my main rig. It probably won't stay here forever, as I do want to get back to my clicky keys (these are browns), but in the interim it has been a very nice typing/ gaming experience and I like the style a lot.
Looks like Logimid is staying irrelevant for another year.
At least they have the number 1 (best mouse) G502 (with weights installed)
we gettin gains while we game 🦾🦾
Man. I remember the good old days of my G502 with full weights on a control mousepad.
At least spray control with it is awesome because your aim won't shake from the micro adjustments.
Flicking is a pain though.
Only got rid of it because it always had the same issue with all my previous Logitech mice: Doubleclicking over time.
G 502 X is masterpiece. But edgy design.
I actually prefer Razer Basilisk V3 when it comes to that size and shape.
i remember i couldnt decide g 502 proteus spectrum vs death adder elite
I think people look at this wrong. This mouse seems to be a great all around mouse at a budget friendly price
Thanks for that nod to SteveMRE on the “Let’s get this out onto a tray. Nice.” Right at 8:36
My M220 / M221 also has a noise-making battery cover. What I do is I take a piece of tissue, roll it up and stuff it into the battery compartment like some kind of sponge which stops the cover from moving.
I'm using this mouse now on The First Descendent. And yes, I have many lighter wirelesses mice. But I'm enjoying the shape and the other all feel of it. But sadly, this wasn't the mouse most were expecting from Logitech. edit: And I agree, it's a good mouse, but not a great mouse.
I mean, I really, really, really love the idea of having a "wireless wired mouse", but I want to use a good mousepad and not some logitech crap that I have to change every 3 months or so. And even then, 68g is pretty damn heavy nowadays when you can get fingertip mice at under 30g and even big mice are starting to be under 60g.
Bluetooth is important if your using a MacBook, I don't use the dongle unless I'm gaming. Still I have a Pro X brand new because I don't play on PC anymore, only consoles, but I got used to gaming mice, I use the g305 for One for all mouse, but it's nice to have options when this one dies or watch this on sale, also in Mac i have to use the USB hub to connect the dongle, which it's annoying IMO
I went to orochi v2 after my g305 started doing double click. Also, they are planning for subscription model in mouse, so I dodge a bullet there.
I don't get the outcry about the battery.
As a person who upgraded from a cheap 5$ mouse to G309 it was a big upgrade, as a person who thrives in competitive gaming it helped me reach ascendent from Plat in valorant and literally fucking global elite in cs
And here i thought this was gonna be about how they've turned the G502 into a claw grip mouse that doesn't last even a year with use. Interesting to see the enshittification going on with other models.
Also wanted to mention, I legit went back to my 2012 model G502 from the modern G502 hero I got because of how bad it was. Uncomfortable to hold, double clicks and refuses to register held right clicks, all after about a year of use. Meanwhile, my 2012 one? comfy, nice and heavy (all weights), and no issues except the cord getting old.
I know a lot of people aren’t fans of power play. That’s ok. But honestly I can never go back..
My gripes with Logitech are the ever inflating prices and the fact that my mouse and keyboard have multiple issues after a few years... Double inputs, dead LEDs, dead scroll wheel, broken key cap.
It's funny because I've recently been switching up my setup for the first time in a few years, and I just picked up the original G305 on sale for 30 bucks.
I'm gonna say just one thing. I really think you're selling these features short; I've always loved Logitech battery powered mice. My first mouse was a Logitech office mouse, which I used for three years and only changed the battery once.
In contrast, I've used a G502 Lightspeed for the last five years and the feature that I hated the most, besides that I realized wayyy too late that the form factor just wasn't for me anymore, was that every week or so, I had to plug it in. Not quite long enough that it was worth removing the cable from my desk, but long enough for it to unmanage itself. Rather than enduring the AA-Battery, I'm fully sold on it as a feature.
Having said that, yeah, the G309 doesn't seem like a worthwhile purchase compared to my new G305.
I'm still on the G304. 4 years and still going. Haven't found a reason to replace it yet.
You need to do more reviews on Chinese gaming mice, they are so underrated in the western market, I'm using a VXE R1 Pro, this thing has great software, great build quality and it's only around $40 where I live
@@leeminh2401 any thoughts on base VXE R1, Planning to buy it in future!
@@vinay4642 On the MouseReview subreddit. I've seen a few mention connection issues on the regular R1. That and it doesn't have a coating.
I'd spend the extra for the Pro withj its Nordic MCU (processor); for better energy efficiency and connection, best mechanical switches, 4K polling compatibility (have to buy 4K dongle) and coating. Well worth the extra 10-15 or so dollars.
I have the R1 Pro, which I got on sale for £26. And £9 for the 4K dongle. Best value mouse at the moment, and something that isn't complete rubbish like a lot of Attack Shark/Ajazz budget offerings.
ATK X1 (same company) is a Viper V3 clone for much less $$ as well. Great quality. For some reason, I can't find a 1:1 clone for the GPRO Superlight...
@@MIngalls Try to search MCHOSE A5 ultra
Chinese actually great equivalent of the g502? 👀
I used G403 (hero) near every day for work, fps and moba games for over 4 years, and everything still works perfectly, so if you want a reliable mouse, consider this
@@rokasb9441 agreed an amazing mouse for large hands
It isn't just this, they covertly discontinued the G600 MMO mouse, which use to be around 50 USD (now its over $200) and are replacing it with garbage like this.
I really wanted a g502 wireless but decided against that and got a g309 just because of the fact it had a removeable battery. i really don't mind the weight, i kinda like a mouse with heft to it. also the fact i don't have to take the dongle with me when i go from my home pc to my laptop for work is a good bonus, no more accidently lost dongles! Rip the 2 g305 that are now sitting on my shelf because of that
I only had the switches failed on me with the G305, but I replaced it myself and still works like a charm.
Never upgrading from it.
THEY ARE OVER PRICING THESE THIONGS WAY TOO MUCH, imagine if every one can afford these things, they could grab the whole world market, but they cant see that far ahead, and decided to follow apples plan
At least Logitech isn’t doing anything stupid like trying to push a subscription service for a mouse
I have been hoping Logitech to upgrade the G305 with lighter weight/better sensor, waited for 6 years then a Chinese company actually made it.
AAs are arguably the best way to power a wireless mouse. Its the only option that doesnt turn your mouse into e-waste in 5 years.
Bluetooth is useful too, i have my 603 connected with lightspeed to my pc and paired with bluetooth to my laptop. Its perfectly adequate for desktop work, even older games.
You don't own a screwdriver or what? It's not like the internal battery is soldered
@omegaPhix my experience doing shit like this is exactly why I'm against it. You can find replacement batteries now, but how about 3 years from now? 5 years? 8 years? Your best bet will be trying to find a similar sized generic cell and yes, soldiering a new connector to it.
everyone's out here wanting a lighter mouse, im out here adding a metal shell to my glorious model 0
Ajazz is not a joke. The and skyloong make some of the most competitively priced keyboards around, and make Logitech look like actual trash.
their keyboards always look cheap to me imo, and their color options are weird, I much prefer akko or keychron if we're talking build quality on a budget
@@summitier22 keychron on a budget lol ok
dont comment if you dont know what your talking abt lmfao
@@TheWhiteSpy amazing non-argument
@ The QC, software, and service is terrible. Yes, logitech is fucking garbage, but skyloong is worse.
3:05 Hey, do you hate Bluetooth? I curiosity your response ribbit frog
Bluetooth means that I can use it for travel with my laptop for generally out and about work.
And only plug in the dongle for hardcore gaming. That's the only improvement I see over my G305.
Won’t be long before Windows cashes in and starts charging you anytime you plug something into a computers port.
You’ll lease the port and be charged by the minute.
It’s getting this crazy
Lots of enthusiasts want better mice and some innovation from Logi. What we get is a more updated and uglified G305 with some tweaks but still using AA batteries. Its no wonder why a lot of gamers are turned off the brand. The GPX 2 is good but the competition has stepped up their game (Razer) and you have upcoming mice from China that are killing it in the budget range to $100.
At $80 this is complete rip off for a AA battery powered (80g+) gaming mouse. For less you could get a Mchose G3 or something like VXE R1 Pro for well under $50.
having an easily replaceable battery is a selling point for many users. Built in battery is just plan obsolesces.
@@BrotherO4 You can replace batteries for a few dollars. No reason for a $80 mouse to use AA batteries.
@@hinchlikescake7592 one device was design for easy of replacement the other was not. this one simple design difference causes 95% of customers to buy a new device instead of replacing the battery.
this is basic information of how any market works.
@@BrotherO4it's very easy to take apart a mouse and replace a built in battery. All you need to be able to do is use a screwdriver.
@@GSixFiveFourThreeFourDashTwo that alone makes 95% of users BUY a new mouse.
not everyone wants to track down which battery it uses. so using a standard battery is just better for most. if you want a G pro. there is already a G pro in the market.
When talking about a mouse, "affordable" means 10-20 bucks
I have this mouse, got it when it was basically announced, and along with the g515 it's my favorite setup for both productivity and gaming. Since I work off a laptop for school (plugged into a monitor) and have a separate gaming computer, the ability to switch from dongle to bluethooth with a button is amazing for me and has got me to never worry about plugging in stuff.
Do they still double click?
no, the optical switches pretty much make that impossible
No link in description for the mchose??
8:35 That was definitely a Steve1989MREInfo reference xD Good one!
i curently play on g305 and its very good...g309 is an upgrade ...
My primary requirement in a mouse, assuming the rest mediocre or better, is reliability and longevity. I don't want to buy a new mouse every few months (or batteries in wireless mice), I don't one of the mouse buttons to become hit or miss or doubling. I want a scroll wheel that just works.
I'm a g502 user. I use a wireless mouse for my laptop, but I wouldn't want a wireless mouse, especially for gaming where my desktop doesn't move and I don't want the hassle of having to replace or charge batteries. I also use my g502 with all the weights installed, as my aim has never been good enough for the lighter mouse to matter and I prefer the heavier feel. But I still see why people where disappointed with the g309
I also have G502 Hero. I have only 3 weights installed. I also have older model but it need new switches. It started to do double click when holding.
When I saw Logitech has EOL my favourite mouse G502 and headset G633 (yes, both are wired peripherals), I went to buy two each as spares for the future. The problem is both devices are still working well and I have no cause to change them out...
Back then I switched from the G203 Prodigy to the G305 (same body minus RGB) and I'm never gonna switch until it breaks lmao
That intro coming straight out of a documentary
I love the G305... the only issue is the left/right click buttons always fail, right after the 2-year warranty period so I have to buy another one. I'm sure this is part of logitech's business strategy. "Mouse as a service" lol
this mouse describes depression
I don't think the G305 clones were an exclusivity thing and were really just the factory they make them in in China decided to make their own because China doesn't acknowledge any IP laws.
Also Logitech's worst move was that like 6 months they tried to change the name to Logi. That was so dumb
Yes and started as one of the crappiest companies out there, i remember in 2004 where people had a Logitech mouse cause they simply had no money for something else.
meanwhile evryone who had money had a mouse from other companies that were far superior back then like Razer.
dunno when that change suddenly happened that Logitech became big, but i simply remember how people laughed at you for having Logitech stuff.
Dunno what went wrong there, i just needed a mouse with a few extra buttons for extra productivity, but in 10 years Logi has not been able to produce a mouse for a normal hand, i swear they all feel like a used up soap bar.
ive been using g603 lightspeed for 5 years now, using anything lighter makes me overshoot lmao
I wonder why they didn't make the rear battery cover close with magnets like the bottom puck does?
The g602 and g604 are my favorite mice to date, im still angry they discontinued the 604
In the early 90s a keyboard was 100usd, a mouse 80usd. 10 years later, the Internet existed, everybody had a computer and you would get cheap keyboards starting at 20usd suddenly. Almost the same quality.
But nowadays we are back to these ridiculous high prices. Mice for 100usd, keyboards for double the price. It's really not worth it, to me at least.
I, personally, don't ever have to buy a mouse again. If I just dig deep enough I will find an old Logitech mouse with cable but no wheel 😅. Before that different Bluetooth mice should still exist, if no battery leakage ruined one. That's annoying, if you finally find that old apple remote thingy and then the battery has leaked and it doesn't work anymore.
The powerplay pad is excellent tech. It doesn't actually need to cover all the mousing area, just the area that is used the bulk of the time - it can just be extended with something to match the height.
However... it does only cost about $5 to make, or could cost that if they cared to cost optimise it. You can't buy a sensor+lens for that price, not even the very mediocre ones. It's clearly designed to be a high margin, low volume product, not a mass market one.
G3 is not an OEM moonlighting Logitech's stuff, it's just a completely different mouse built to the same overall shape. Logitech can't stop it from being sold and bought, but they will stop it from going to retail in most of the world. You should also not cover it with too much praise without trying, including wireless packet loss issues.
But i also doubt g305 is going away to be replaced by g309. People still put stock into Logitech's brand name and their retail access gives them a massive advantage. They can't just exit the 40-50€ price bracket in retail, because people won't be ready to spend anywhere near 90€ on a mouse, they'll just buy random competitor retail mice instead.
I like the changes to the g309 but this is not an adequate price for a mouse powered by an AA battery.
First razer , now logitech, why can't they just give what people want
Well atleast razer is stepping up.
i dont even care abt razer im just using a deathadder till i die
Nah, Razer actually listens 90% of the time. Logitech just sticks their head in the sand and then finally releases the product people want several years too late. Steelseries is just in a coma apparently.
$200 to capitalize on the removed battery weight, bringing it down to 68 grams.
At that point you may as well just get a Viper V3 Pro for $180.
95 hour rechargeable battery life,
54gram weight,
And it comes with a 4k polling dongle.