@@philip0908That’s my favorite mouse currently. Other Chinese mice half the price are not as good, but they’re still great budget options, especially when you can get 2 or 3 for the price of one.
I have the g3 from mchose and the vxe atk r1 pro, both of these mice are better than the superlight 1 and 2. Before i bought these i had the superlight 1.
@@sorvex9 No, the point is Capitalism isn’t dying, etc. There are always bad products, scams etc. the point is the consumer has the power in a Capitalist society to say no thereby opposing these practices.
I don't get it. Why do you want 88000 dpi? I play at 3200/1600 dpi and even then there are games who's slowest speed is faster than the speed I want. Is there really any benefit to having higher DPI at that point
OMG FINALLY someone talked about the scroll wheel click issue! This is a problem on ALL superlight models (1, 2, DEX). It's completely unacceptable on a 200 USD mouse (what I paid for my GPX2). I'm returning mine after getting a Haste 2, which doesn't have this problem and costs less than 1/3 of the superlight 2.
i would reconmed a pulsar x2v2 its one of the best mice out right now and its under 100. while i have never used it i do know people that have and love it or if you dont rule off wired just over the wire get the OP1 8k (watch a review by viscose) she and a few other top aimer (these people are inhuman at aim and uses tons of differant mice), while is haste is good there are so many better options right now
@@pygiscat1858 I tried looking for a X2v2 where I live (Brazil) but they're just as expensive as the GPX2, sometimes more expensive, and the only sellers are dubious. I'll return my GPX2, keep the Haste 2, and there's also aDeathadder V3 (wired) coming next week.
@@pygiscat1858 Ive got an X2H and my Scroll wheel is starting to fail after 7 months, the clicks have been a bit crap as well. Shame as its a fantastic mouse...
return haste2 immediately, it also has known scroll wheel encoder issue. Mine went bad in a month and I found endless comments about scroll wheel issue on haste2, settled with endgame op1 8k.
everyone was screaming ITS THE BEST meanwhile im sitting here with these stiff ass switches and mushy ass side buttons wondering where i went wrong in life to drop 150$+ on a mouse and be disappointed
OMG ive also had multiple faulty superlight v2s thats wild. logitech get your qc under control, for a plastic mouse they are one of the more exspensive ones on the market
@@DiamondLobbyReviews Pulsar's booth and TechPowerUp's coverage of Pulsar at Gamescom 2024 and Pulsar_Ambroise support staff member confirms it to be using Kailh opticals.
@@H4VOK_YT I would've love my G703 to death with these changes. And with also MAYBE a smaaaaaall weight decrement, like 10-15g would be enough. Even after dead wheel and dblclck I'd simply go get another one.
bro i just wanted to say outside the review i suffer from schizophrenia and its really hard when i get overwhelmed with the voices but your videos help me calm down i really enjoy watching your content please keep it up you deserve everything and more king
@@slaterskizo keep that head up king, i cant imagine having it, i always thought it seems like the worst mental condition by far. Right next to schizoaffective disorder but there basically brothers just one comes with a co-morbid. As a person who has family who show early signs of it i hope you dont mind me asking for some anecdotal information. What do you take for it? Have you tried that 6 month shot that i think i heard about half way through 2021?
As a old Razer fan i remember what bring me to not buy their product. In a 5 years period i bought many razor mouses, all of them end up bricked - 2 razor nagas, 2 deathadder, 2 basilisks, with keyboards i got more luck but thats not the topic. Back to the point. I watched review of superlight from logitech and i decide to give it a try in 2020. Its still there . I replaced only switches, all by myself - scroll work without any issues since i bought this mouse, same with battery. If something work like a charm, how could i find any better replacement?
@@OhItsLuCa if your scroll wheel is jumpy and buggy, apply some wd-40 to the scroll wheel, 99% of times it's dirt stuck in the sensor that causes the issue, not the quality or functionality of the scroll itself
@@OhItsLuCa have the viper ultimate for more than 2 years and never had an issue (just use it now for back up). Now have the deathadder v3 hyperspeed for a few months, both scroll wheels working just fine.
People keep asking whats next for gaming mice and I really think it should be improved QC, "batch one" and "unit to unit variance" is getting really old. Obviously there's no such thing as a perfect manufacturing process, but chasing extreme light weights and throwing money at pixart for a better sensor instead of dialing in your product quality is just asinine
LULgitech is the worst mouse company to me now. Complacency is the correct word to use on them. I remember how after they hit a massive home run with the first GPW, everything went down hill from there.
Fr. At least the Superlight mice are decent, their keyboard selection is just infuriatingly tone deaf compared to what Razer and Wooting, and even fucking Steelseries are doing. Fucking. Steelseries. Don't even get me started on Corsair though, that's another company that decided to lobotomize itself after having a few years of success with the k70 before people woke up to higher quality keyboards.
God I used to love their mice so much. MX500, G400. Absolutely GOATed. The MX Revolution was the first time the physical shell seemed to break down before the internals did. Still pretty good though, overall. Then the last 3-4 mice I've gotten seemed to be ticking time bombs that fall apart after 18 months. Disgusting rubber coating turns into a gummy mess. Feet wear away. Software updates pushing AI and cloud garbage (for MOUSE DRIVERS). Absolute garbage. After this last MX Vertical melted after a little less than a year, I'm done with them.
Ive also had two faulty super light 2's. Im going to give them one more try, with the DEX. If this does not workout, never again. EDIT: After your review, I canceled the order. I will stick with my Viper V3 pro.
an updated mouse at that price point would need have a bracelet that senses the forearm nerves and translates that as mouse clicks. I need to patent this idea I guess.
This is actually the first review video I'm seeing someone talking about this scroll wheel issue. I've watched many reviews of the GPX2 and nobody mentioned it. So I bought one. Then I realized they all have this issue. So I'm returning mine.
@@toquita3d strongly recommend you buy the op1 8k if you can cope with using a wired mouse (you won't notice the wire after a while). Best mouse I've ever used.
Because consumers get complacent too. They became loyal to a brand that was once at the top of their game (MX510 looking at you) and just stick with what they know and trust, without looking any further and thinking twice about their decision feeding back into Logitechs behemoth wallet and market footprint. Until big retail giants start putting the equivalent or better alternatives that cost less on shelves across America, they will keep the sheep asleep... atleast for a little while. As the masses and intelligent gamers catch on, Rome will fall if they continue to rest on their laurels.
My problem isn't the scroll wheel click but the fact mine keeps jumping around when I try to scroll with it... First I though it might be dust collecting in the decoder but after taking the whole mouse apart and cleaning everything the problem still persists... I've bought the superlight twice now and both have developed this issue in less than a week!
I just received my glass skates for my Superlight 2. Feels a little different and my aim in particular feels off, but I think that's because of the new feets. For information, I use a Logitech G840 XL and it's around a year old I think and doesnt't feel or even look new. And I know about the problem with Logitech mousepads wich loose their surface really quick. I'm about to buy new mousepad soon, maybe after christmas. But I'm not sure wich one to choose. I'm only sure, that it won't be a Logitech mousepad again. Three is enough xD
The side buttons look extremely far forward on the SL2 Dex. For palm grip/relaxed finger tip grip I'm genuinely wondering if my thumb will even reach one of them. The more time passes, the more I appreciate what Zowie have achieved with the EC2. The thumbgroove also looks intredibly intense compared to something like the EC2 or even the DA V3 which had a fairly big swoop out. For me a lot of these mice seem like they are laser focused on what works best for claw grip at the expense of their usability for palm. Even if my hands were massive and big enough to reach that furthest forward side button in a palm grip by then my finger would be flying off the end of the clicks no? This mouse looks neat, but I'm just not sure it's for me -- and the SL1 wheel and side buttons were mega crap which doesn't seem to have changed too much going off the reviews I'm seeing for the Dex.
@@shapeshifter7676 Got one on discount around the same time, scroll wheel is loud on scroll up but it's the best mouse I've ever used. Love the sensor as well.
RAZER was for me always better, because the DeathAdder have for my hand the best shape. I'm an old school gamer in my 40's and I tried out nearly all famous mice, but always turned back to the Razer DeathAdder; often copied, never reached😊
That's where i'm at. Only mouse that i've used where I don't pick it up over and over again losing my grip on it. I straight up tried griptape on other mice and it didn't work either. Deathadder? Perfect for me.
Lmao, now I can imagine hall-effect analog mice - click lightly to shoot a regular projectile, click harder to fire off a missile. I'm surprised it hasn't been done honestly.
They "fixed" the Smartshift problem (the mouse scroll wheel is unbable to change from free spining to fixed ratched mode) in MX Master 3 by removing the hardware that actually does the switch. Now MX Masters 3S are stuck with no real ratched mode. A 3rd generation $100 mouse cannot do what his predecessord had.
I have the superlight 2 and just got the Dex the other day…after 30-40 minutes using the dex i had a pain in my palm and wrist…I think the back part of the mouse it to wide so when i swipe once to turn 180 degrees it feels like a weird movement/unstable aim… when i went back to the superlight 2 it felt so comfortable and natural..been playing cs go and now cs2 for many years and i have over 10k hours…i will stay with my superlight 2 and dex will have to go back. Thanks for the review ❤
G703 superlight without the front flare out. Or a superlight 502, or I dunno. Anything that isn't a slightly modified Zowie or Razer mouse. Everyone is just releasing the same shapes over and over.
Same with keyboards. Sure the Hall effect switches are nice, and the software improvements are always welcome, but we've been playing on the same typewriter designs for decades now. Although to be fair, it seems most people aren't looking for anything new -- Nostromo derivatives (Tartarus and Azeron keypads) obviously don't sell well. I own the Tartarus Pro and I love it to bits.
As someone who used to do mouse reviews 20 years ago, I appreciate and respect this video! :D While I'm reminiscing, I thought I'd point out that there's a Steelpad 5L for $20,000(!) dollars on eBay. I really wish someone would make a video about the the Steelpad 5L to talk about how beloved it is by the people who bought one, how SteelSeries just hasn't made a mouse pad quite as nice since, and it'd just be nice to see a video about OG Steelpad products like that in general. I still have the Steelpad 3S, 4D, and 5L on hand. Unfortunately I had sold the SX and Icemat so I can't make the perfect SteelSeries mousepads video.
im happy with the standard superlight 2. well i had to get it replaced because my normal sized nails ripped the plastic off but whatever free replace...
The scroll wheel thing is true. If they had improved the side buttons and the scroll wheel, it would be a very good mouse. Also, when I push the scroll wheel to the right, it also registers a middle mouse click, but not when I push it to the left. It kinda allows you to tilt it to the left which kinda bothers me.
I think all mice with mechanical encoders do that as they have a setup with the encoder to the left and the button to the right of the wheel, under the axle. So when pressing the wheel you are really making it slightly tilt to the right.
The scroll wheel button is also a driving factor for me moving away from superlights. Happened on the two that I owned, and I do a lot of 3d modelling software work which is heavy on mouse3 use- drove me up the wall and eventually swapped to the new viper v3 pro.
I don't understand how they can fuck up having almost a monopoly on quality mice across the board from office mice to gaming ones... They could fire their entire design and development teams, keep the production and just keep pumping out the same good mice that they've already made and everybody would be happy
honestly the curve fall of at the end of the mouse is an improvement for aim. its bad to have your whole palm touching the mouse because you lose finger control doing that. any good mouse meant for gaming should not come to the back of your palm when you hold it, and you should really only have the tips of your fingers making contact with the mouse.
I noticed this downward spiral of Logitech's QC since my previous 3 mice (G102, G403W & G304) exhibiting scroll wheel issues and have stopped recommending their mouse and headsets to my friends since then. The only reason I still keep the 304 is the custom FF14 WHM vinyl wrap that I designed.
After using the Viper V3 Pro for a week, I was expecting more significant upgrades. The coating feels slippery, the side buttons are too soft, and the scroll wheel hasn't improved from previous Razer models. I recently switched to a DEX, but the feet are of low quality, and the scroll wheel is equally disappointing. It seems like Logitech has only focused on the design, not on the overall quality. Plus, the price is quite high. I'm considering ordering either the Stormbreaker MAX CF or the Maya X Fnatic Edition. Thanks for the honest review.
I was actually hoping something like this would come out... 4 years ago. The 703 is nice, but living in Cali means that the rubber sides would soak up the moisture and would wear down quickly. I would've bought this if only Razer didn't beat them to it first.
damn that scroll wheel drag stuff is crazy. thank you for the video it happens on my gpx 2 as well. i wonder what the issue is. internal button is physically too short?
I got a few cheap 102/305s few years ago and on all of them the left switch broke in less than 2 years. Bought 5 razer viper minis instead and they have an optical left switch which doesn't break, but instead the wheel switch breaks within a few years. Literally can't win with these companies.
my 3 gen 1 superlight all had their coating peel off. i zse grip tapes now and the buttons still peel. i guess im incompatible but at least they replace them
I was stuck between buying wired or wireless. Going from the Sensei Ten to the OP1 has helped greatly from fatigue & dropping from 90g to 55g it basically feels wireless. I also bought an HE keyboard which has helped with my control a bit more & zero delay when I shoot because I use space as my primary fire to reduce even more fatigue from my aiming
4:28 i mean they seem to be the same as on the gpx2 non dex so the same aftermarket ones should work, not great the stock skates are terrible but id say that is a SLIGHT redeeming quality
I've got the Superlight 1 & 2, the last one I just updated to the latest firmware so that it now does support 8k polling.. the battery drain is insane, but idk what would make me buy this DEX version..
as a person who returned the superlight wireless mouse, only had one ever mouse not double click on me. logitech 3 button mouse, probably didn't use it long enough though (still have it, ps2 mouse lol). that being said, these companies make easy money suckering people to spend $150+ on a mouse. out of this world..
I used my superlight 1 for about 2-3 years and noticed that my control with the mouse wasn't nearly as good as when i used my viper mini 3 years ago. So i decided to get a Pulsar X2H. The pulsar mouse IMO feels much nicer in terms of shape, and even felt a little more responsive (could be wrong). All i will say is do your research before you buy. don't get what all the "pros are using" because most of the time, they will have brand deals with that company. I bought my superlight for $220 CAD, and don't like it nearly as much as my pulsar mouse that i got for $100 CAD.
You think the mouse is mediocre? I have an G 815 that god replaced 2 times because of the key caps cant hold its paint. You heard right paint. It isant double shot. WTF 2 weeks and I cant see what i written on the A,S,D,F,C,R letters As iI am not seeing the now. The shift key also has a gigantic hole on it. but as it is bigger, I stil can see the letters.. the bad news are that This can be replaced just 2 times lol. they literally said We wont correct this problem again lol
Actually, I love mouse friction as long as it's smooth and not sticky, and I use a cloth pad. However, as a budget conscious wired mouse user (the charging is not worth the effort anyway) I'm waiting for wired version. I just can't justify paying a ridiculous price for a disposable mouse that's also inconvenient. Too bad almost all lightweight mice are wireless. Also, are the mushy side buttons from fixed? G403's side buttons were perfect. The switches sound good. I've tried some Razer and other opticals in a store and they were trash, sticky as hell with a large gap between activation and deactivation force which made spamming cumbersome.
I almost wouldve won one for free from the aimlab challenge, and then I join the discord and see there are extra rules attached and suddenly all my score submissions are moot because I played all tasks on an fov that is apparently not allowed (even tho their minimum FOV is too high to be allowed in my main game), and if a single one of my submitted high scores would have been still on those settings it would have disqualified me for everything according to the rules, so I didn't even try to do the ultimate challenge again with the settings that they apparently want me to use because there was no way I was beating my high scores on all 9 other tasks with settings that I don't even want to play on while also still getting the top 500 on the task I was actually interested in
This has happened to me with 4 different G300s mice, but it's the only mouse on the market currently that can handle my extreme sweat issue due to its shape.
Hm I actually enjoy the Dex compared to many others out there atm. I can agree with the thinn mouse skates sure, but at the same time Zowie's black original skates are like dry dirt on a clothpad in comparision on their offerings. Razer Viper V3 Pro had sensor errors even after firmware updates which in turn showed up during ESL Majors(search and find videos on this). And that one is more solid? Havent seen any problem with the Hero 2 sensor in the Dex yet. Instead it seems like they have fixed the outliers at 4000hz which the Superlight 2 had. When it comes to the switches i find them light and crisp even compared to Lamzu Thorn and Pulsar Xlite V3 which i have on my desk aswell. But not as snappy as on the Stormbreaker BLG which uses Omron opticals aswell. The shape feels solid for my palmgrip, i would say that the angles and hight makes it an even safer shape then alot of other ergo shapes. I got no creaking or flex in the shell(unlike the awful DA V3 Pro)and the coating is similar but better then on my Xlite v3 white. The scrollwheel problem i havent noticed so far, for me it works just like many others. But with that said I don't use it for anything where i need to press it down so long, just throwing granades in some games. I feel that Logitech has released a couple of bad products latly like their 60% keyboard that seems way off where the market trend is right now and that dreaded G309 crap. But the Dex for me is not one of them. It's actully the first ergo shape from them i don't find is built for an alien as their history going back to MX500 or Mouseman wheel for that matter 😂. And i normally don't like their products so go figure 😅
Same mousewheel 3 issue on my superlight 1. Fixed it by replacing the micro switch on the pcb. They are using the same microswitch on all their superlights hence the issue
Loved the G903 Wireless, but it developed a double click issue on the Right mouse button. Registers 2 clicks when pressed once. They sent me a G Pro Wireless as a replacement, and now that has a double click issue on the TINY rear thumb button. Will look into a different company for my next mouse. Good customer service, but for $179 CAD I shouldn't need it.
I just want a g903 magnesium, or light weight. The left/right tilt wheel inputs are absolutely incredible for mmos. But mmo mice/903 weight ruins it since I've switched to magnesium mice. 😢
I use to be a logitrch fan. Last mouse i owned from them was the G305.solid mouse at the time but too small for me. Anything else started to get too expensive and made little sense for me to buy based on the point of diminishing returns.
I hear your comprehensive takes, I see you own a Xlite V3 so I must ask you... is there a chance for a ATK Z1 review? Especially in comparison to V3. I'm torn between these two for my first wireless purchase and I would like to hear opinion from someone more experienced in the space.
I wish they make a G305 superlight. I've been using the Superlight 2 for almost a year now, but I keep coming back to the 305 coz of the shape, since I can't claw grip the superlight 2 comfortably.
psure u can fix that m3 issue . either open up the switch and just clean it with alco inside, and second just solder in new one. or just contact logi and get free mice
iunno if the viper v3 pro was a great comparison considering the majority of them shipped with a game breaking sensor issue that stops it from tracking when the mouse is set down. latest firmware fixes it, but the mouse still stutters occasionally when tracking. inexcusable for a 150 dollar mouse. but i do agree they made improvements to the coating, skates and that razer in general is trying to innovate more.
I wish they would replace the power play with a skate similarly sized to the front. The puck is inconsistent, and no puck gives more friction to the front. For casual players I can see liking the convenience of charging through power play, but this is marketed as a "Pro" mouse. You don't need to charge the mouse so often where you're losing blocks of time connecting to USB.
Tbh i had a G305 and i thought it was great. until the middle mouse button just flat out broke. I had a G400 before that and everything was good except that the cable was flimsy and broke after a few years. Ended up buying the cheapest gaming mouse with a decent sensor i could find and it's surprisingly outlasted my time with the G305.
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Logi got so comfortable at the top, they forgot what got them there. All the Chinese OEM brands have great pricing, tech, and some even QC.
yes they did and when the mouse community was telling them that they were dismissive and left the mouse forums telling them that
only thing they got better then logitech is price.
I'll leave that here: Lamzu Maya X
@@philip0908That’s my favorite mouse currently. Other Chinese mice half the price are not as good, but they’re still great budget options, especially when you can get 2 or 3 for the price of one.
I have the g3 from mchose and the vxe atk r1 pro, both of these mice are better than the superlight 1 and 2. Before i bought these i had the superlight 1.
The idea of a subscription based mouse is crazy.
capitalism is peaking
@@sorvex9 Sure… Soviets said the same thing in 1963…
@@fractalelf7760 and it has only gotten worse, I'm not sure what you mean. Are you defending this?
@@sorvex9 It hasn’t in reality gotten worse.
@@sorvex9 No, the point is Capitalism isn’t dying, etc. There are always bad products, scams etc. the point is the consumer has the power in a Capitalist society to say no thereby opposing these practices.
Seeing 44000 DPI at the end and not 88000 DPI was a disappointment.
I don't get it. Why do you want 88000 dpi? I play at 3200/1600 dpi and even then there are games who's slowest speed is faster than the speed I want. Is there really any benefit to having higher DPI at that point
@@3choblast3r4 Because every number he showed till that was either all 8's or 8's and 0's.
Why tf do u even need a high dpi anyway
@@milojaks I thought the same, but he's referencing the video lol
Joke
Logitech used to be such a great company. But now I think it's what you said, they've grown complacent.
Logitech re-described themselves as a 'Lifestyle brand' like Corsair did, what did we expect?
corsair is awesome their new pc is mid tho those itx ones
OMG FINALLY someone talked about the scroll wheel click issue! This is a problem on ALL superlight models (1, 2, DEX). It's completely unacceptable on a 200 USD mouse (what I paid for my GPX2). I'm returning mine after getting a Haste 2, which doesn't have this problem and costs less than 1/3 of the superlight 2.
i would reconmed a pulsar x2v2 its one of the best mice out right now and its under 100. while i have never used it i do know people that have and love it or if you dont rule off wired just over the wire get the OP1 8k (watch a review by viscose) she and a few other top aimer (these people are inhuman at aim and uses tons of differant mice), while is haste is good there are so many better options right now
@@pygiscat1858 I tried looking for a X2v2 where I live (Brazil) but they're just as expensive as the GPX2, sometimes more expensive, and the only sellers are dubious.
I'll return my GPX2, keep the Haste 2, and there's also aDeathadder V3 (wired) coming next week.
@@pygiscat1858 Ive got an X2H and my Scroll wheel is starting to fail after 7 months, the clicks have been a bit crap as well. Shame as its a fantastic mouse...
return haste2 immediately, it also has known scroll wheel encoder issue. Mine went bad in a month and I found endless comments about scroll wheel issue on haste2, settled with endgame op1 8k.
yeahp, not even my collection of chinese mice have such issues, or maybe I haven't used them enough
everyone was screaming ITS THE BEST meanwhile im sitting here with these stiff ass switches and mushy ass side buttons wondering where i went wrong in life to drop 150$+ on a mouse and be disappointed
Some reviewers are paid by large companies like Logitech
no they're not. logitech dont even send out review samples.
I honestly can't tell if Logitech are just trolling with the side buttons. The pingy optical switches are also pretty terrible in feel and sound too.
Should have tried the Zaopin Z2 4k for $65
OMG ive also had multiple faulty superlight v2s
thats wild. logitech get your qc under control, for a plastic mouse they are one of the more exspensive ones on the market
Logitech looks like there’s only one person designing the mouse and a thousand workers doing burocracy
Pulsar X3 is using Kailh opticals, not Raesha, it is in the announced spec sheet.
ur a spec sheetg
@@DiamondLobbyReviews Pulsar's booth and TechPowerUp's coverage of Pulsar at Gamescom 2024 and Pulsar_Ambroise support staff member confirms it to be using Kailh opticals.
is kailh optical as good as omron?
Ur still a spec sheet tho
@@DiamondLobbyReviews xd
Can you make a video explaining how you fixed the scroll click issue?
I'll pay $200 if they just make a G703 superlight around 60g. But they spent years for this.
100 less and pulsar will release it soon enough
@@JagsP95 I think ATK will release the same since they got the R1 as the exact copy of the x2v2 and the skyrox is the x2h
Forget superlight if they litterally just made a g703 with usb c and a better battery I'd fall to my knees and start crying from joy
@@H4VOK_YT I would've love my G703 to death with these changes. And with also MAYBE a smaaaaaall weight decrement, like 10-15g would be enough. Even after dead wheel and dblclck I'd simply go get another one.
@@singlepanic i mean the wheel and double click is pretty easy to fix with a soldering iron
bro i just wanted to say outside the review i suffer from schizophrenia and its really hard when i get overwhelmed with the voices but your videos help me calm down i really enjoy watching your content please keep it up you deserve everything and more king
@@slaterskizo keep that head up king, i cant imagine having it, i always thought it seems like the worst mental condition by far. Right next to schizoaffective disorder but there basically brothers just one comes with a co-morbid. As a person who has family who show early signs of it i hope you dont mind me asking for some anecdotal information. What do you take for it? Have you tried that 6 month shot that i think i heard about half way through 2021?
Stay doing my bruda ❤
I have adhd and his videos are nice indeed. But the way her reviews mouses without 8k and all th especs and jjist going for the “cake”... gold
I LIVE IN YOUR WALLS
As a old Razer fan i remember what bring me to not buy their product. In a 5 years period i bought many razor mouses, all of them end up bricked - 2 razor nagas, 2 deathadder, 2 basilisks, with keyboards i got more luck but thats not the topic. Back to the point. I watched review of superlight from logitech and i decide to give it a try in 2020. Its still there . I replaced only switches, all by myself - scroll work without any issues since i bought this mouse, same with battery. If something work like a charm, how could i find any better replacement?
Superlights engineering team is the same as any software developer nowadays. Drags a 2 hr project into 2 months
WFH programmer moment
Razer has been killing it with their V3 lineups, especially the Viper.
Especially when the scroll wheel starts bugging out after a couple of months 😍
@@OhItsLuCa if your scroll wheel is jumpy and buggy, apply some wd-40 to the scroll wheel, 99% of times it's dirt stuck in the sensor that causes the issue, not the quality or functionality of the scroll itself
@@gyrozeppeli00 its a known issue with razer mice, its the encoder they use. It's not dirt
@@OhItsLuCa have the viper ultimate for more than 2 years and never had an issue (just use it now for back up). Now have the deathadder v3 hyperspeed for a few months, both scroll wheels working just fine.
@@justanobody4983 dodging bullets
People keep asking whats next for gaming mice and I really think it should be improved QC, "batch one" and "unit to unit variance" is getting really old. Obviously there's no such thing as a perfect manufacturing process, but chasing extreme light weights and throwing money at pixart for a better sensor instead of dialing in your product quality is just asinine
The day where Logitech would fall behind Razer, especially in QC.... I never EVER thought it possible, but alas...
Logitech has become the Ubisoft of gaming peripherals
They're more like EA. Cause they release the same shit, year after year and the masses buy it
LULgitech is the worst mouse company to me now. Complacency is the correct word to use on them. I remember how after they hit a massive home run with the first GPW, everything went down hill from there.
Fr. At least the Superlight mice are decent, their keyboard selection is just infuriatingly tone deaf compared to what Razer and Wooting, and even fucking Steelseries are doing. Fucking. Steelseries. Don't even get me started on Corsair though, that's another company that decided to lobotomize itself after having a few years of success with the k70 before people woke up to higher quality keyboards.
Both Zowie and Logitech are dead to me after YEARS of not giving to shits about their community or customer feedback.
God I used to love their mice so much. MX500, G400. Absolutely GOATed. The MX Revolution was the first time the physical shell seemed to break down before the internals did. Still pretty good though, overall. Then the last 3-4 mice I've gotten seemed to be ticking time bombs that fall apart after 18 months. Disgusting rubber coating turns into a gummy mess. Feet wear away. Software updates pushing AI and cloud garbage (for MOUSE DRIVERS). Absolute garbage. After this last MX Vertical melted after a little less than a year, I'm done with them.
Ive also had two faulty super light 2's. Im going to give them one more try, with the DEX. If this does not workout, never again.
EDIT: After your review, I canceled the order. I will stick with my Viper V3 pro.
POP OFF AND PING LIKE A M1 GARAND! That laugh healed my depression. Thank you for that.
an updated mouse at that price point would need have a bracelet that senses the forearm nerves and translates that as mouse clicks. I need to patent this idea I guess.
Mouse feet are fixable but the scroll wheel is a big mistake
i gave up on logitech, their qualitry control and software is awful. I have switched to all razer gear and i am so much happier.
nothing will ever beat the prime mini $20 deal a few years back I guess, I hope it'll never die on me
I dont understand why ppl buy these defective products when they can get better quility mouse at similiar(or lower) price.
This is actually the first review video I'm seeing someone talking about this scroll wheel issue. I've watched many reviews of the GPX2 and nobody mentioned it. So I bought one. Then I realized they all have this issue. So I'm returning mine.
@@toquita3d strongly recommend you buy the op1 8k if you can cope with using a wired mouse (you won't notice the wire after a while). Best mouse I've ever used.
@@toquita3dbecause he is like the only one who is not just a fps centered reviewer
Because consumers get complacent too. They became loyal to a brand that was once at the top of their game (MX510 looking at you) and just stick with what they know and trust, without looking any further and thinking twice about their decision feeding back into Logitechs behemoth wallet and market footprint. Until big retail giants start putting the equivalent or better alternatives that cost less on shelves across America, they will keep the sheep asleep... atleast for a little while. As the masses and intelligent gamers catch on, Rome will fall if they continue to rest on their laurels.
because atleast in my case, every alternative is 10x more expensive in my country
My problem isn't the scroll wheel click but the fact mine keeps jumping around when I try to scroll with it... First I though it might be dust collecting in the decoder but after taking the whole mouse apart and cleaning everything the problem still persists... I've bought the superlight twice now and both have developed this issue in less than a week!
I just received my glass skates for my Superlight 2. Feels a little different and my aim in particular feels off, but I think that's because of the new feets.
For information, I use a Logitech G840 XL and it's around a year old I think and doesnt't feel or even look new. And I know about the problem with Logitech mousepads wich loose their surface really quick. I'm about to buy new mousepad soon, maybe after christmas. But I'm not sure wich one to choose. I'm only sure, that it won't be a Logitech mousepad again. Three is enough xD
All my g305s and their replacements along with my friends' have the infamous double click issue, but reviews on amazon don't show it
The side buttons look extremely far forward on the SL2 Dex. For palm grip/relaxed finger tip grip I'm genuinely wondering if my thumb will even reach one of them. The more time passes, the more I appreciate what Zowie have achieved with the EC2.
The thumbgroove also looks intredibly intense compared to something like the EC2 or even the DA V3 which had a fairly big swoop out. For me a lot of these mice seem like they are laser focused on what works best for claw grip at the expense of their usability for palm. Even if my hands were massive and big enough to reach that furthest forward side button in a palm grip by then my finger would be flying off the end of the clicks no?
This mouse looks neat, but I'm just not sure it's for me -- and the SL1 wheel and side buttons were mega crap which doesn't seem to have changed too much going off the reviews I'm seeing for the Dex.
In 2020 I chose Razer Viper Ultimate over the G Pro, cuz it was on sale and I feel incredibly lucky for it
@@shapeshifter7676 Got one on discount around the same time, scroll wheel is loud on scroll up but it's the best mouse I've ever used. Love the sensor as well.
RAZER was for me always better, because the DeathAdder have for my hand the best shape. I'm an old school gamer in my 40's and I tried out nearly all famous mice, but always turned back to the Razer DeathAdder; often copied, never reached😊
That's where i'm at. Only mouse that i've used where I don't pick it up over and over again losing my grip on it. I straight up tried griptape on other mice and it didn't work either. Deathadder? Perfect for me.
2 G403s, 2 G203s had the scroll problem with me…Was looking foward for a G Pro X Superlight but oh man…what should I get instead??
The scroll wheel problem? Sounds like rapid trigger, hall- effect scroll wheel.
Lmao, now I can imagine hall-effect analog mice - click lightly to shoot a regular projectile, click harder to fire off a missile. I'm surprised it hasn't been done honestly.
They "fixed" the Smartshift problem (the mouse scroll wheel is unbable to change from free spining to fixed ratched mode) in MX Master 3 by removing the hardware that actually does the switch. Now MX Masters 3S are stuck with no real ratched mode. A 3rd generation $100 mouse cannot do what his predecessord had.
Holy, I never noticed the superlight mouse wheel issue but I just tried it with my superlight 2 and it does the same. Crazy.
I have the superlight 2 and just got the Dex the other day…after 30-40 minutes using the dex i had a pain in my palm and wrist…I think the back part of the mouse it to wide so when i swipe once to turn 180 degrees it feels like a weird movement/unstable aim… when i went back to the superlight 2 it felt so comfortable and natural..been playing cs go and now cs2 for many years and i have over 10k hours…i will stay with my superlight 2 and dex will have to go back. Thanks for the review ❤
A lot of people also have a scrollwheel problem with dust getting in the sensor and screwing up scrolling. I get this a lot and it's driving me nuts
G703 superlight without the front flare out. Or a superlight 502, or I dunno. Anything that isn't a slightly modified Zowie or Razer mouse. Everyone is just releasing the same shapes over and over.
Same with keyboards. Sure the Hall effect switches are nice, and the software improvements are always welcome, but we've been playing on the same typewriter designs for decades now. Although to be fair, it seems most people aren't looking for anything new -- Nostromo derivatives (Tartarus and Azeron keypads) obviously don't sell well.
I own the Tartarus Pro and I love it to bits.
As someone who used to do mouse reviews 20 years ago, I appreciate and respect this video! :D
While I'm reminiscing, I thought I'd point out that there's a Steelpad 5L for $20,000(!) dollars on eBay. I really wish someone would make a video about the the Steelpad 5L to talk about how beloved it is by the people who bought one, how SteelSeries just hasn't made a mouse pad quite as nice since, and it'd just be nice to see a video about OG Steelpad products like that in general.
I still have the Steelpad 3S, 4D, and 5L on hand. Unfortunately I had sold the SX and Icemat so I can't make the perfect SteelSeries mousepads video.
Completely agree. How did you click the scroll-wheel click problem? Mine is progressively getting worse
im happy with the standard superlight 2. well i had to get it replaced because my normal sized nails ripped the plastic off but whatever free replace...
bro claw grip doesn't really mean CLAW grip
The scroll wheel thing is true.
If they had improved the side buttons and the scroll wheel, it would be a very good mouse.
Also, when I push the scroll wheel to the right, it also registers a middle mouse click, but not when I push it to the left.
It kinda allows you to tilt it to the left which kinda bothers me.
I think all mice with mechanical encoders do that as they have a setup with the encoder to the left and the button to the right of the wheel, under the axle. So when pressing the wheel you are really making it slightly tilt to the right.
The scroll wheel button is also a driving factor for me moving away from superlights. Happened on the two that I owned, and I do a lot of 3d modelling software work which is heavy on mouse3 use- drove me up the wall and eventually swapped to the new viper v3 pro.
the middle mouse click portion got me crying man I've not bought logi in 4 years cus of all this shit
I don't understand how they can fuck up having almost a monopoly on quality mice across the board from office mice to gaming ones...
They could fire their entire design and development teams, keep the production and just keep pumping out the same good mice that they've already made and everybody would be happy
honestly the curve fall of at the end of the mouse is an improvement for aim. its bad to have your whole palm touching the mouse because you lose finger control doing that. any good mouse meant for gaming should not come to the back of your palm when you hold it, and you should really only have the tips of your fingers making contact with the mouse.
I noticed this downward spiral of Logitech's QC since my previous 3 mice (G102, G403W & G304) exhibiting scroll wheel issues and have stopped recommending their mouse and headsets to my friends since then. The only reason I still keep the 304 is the custom FF14 WHM vinyl wrap that I designed.
After using the Viper V3 Pro for a week, I was expecting more significant upgrades. The coating feels slippery, the side buttons are too soft, and the scroll wheel hasn't improved from previous Razer models. I recently switched to a DEX, but the feet are of low quality, and the scroll wheel is equally disappointing. It seems like Logitech has only focused on the design, not on the overall quality. Plus, the price is quite high. I'm considering ordering either the Stormbreaker MAX CF or the Maya X Fnatic Edition. Thanks for the honest review.
My GPX1 scroll wheel is dying, and I'm seriously considering the Maya X as well. Is there a difference between the normal one and fnatic edition?
@@crypix As far as I know, the only difference is the color, and the Fnatic one looks the best :)
@@koxx_hun Unfortunately it will look out of place on my black and white setup :p
same with my gpx2 i cannot grip it without it feeling slippery
What mouse do you main currently? Not looking for a recommendation I’m happy with my Viper V2 pro I’m just curious.
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@@DiamondLobbyReviews Thank you
I was actually hoping something like this would come out... 4 years ago. The 703 is nice, but living in Cali means that the rubber sides would soak up the moisture and would wear down quickly. I would've bought this if only Razer didn't beat them to it first.
damn that scroll wheel drag stuff is crazy. thank you for the video it happens on my gpx 2 as well. i wonder what the issue is. internal button is physically too short?
I got a few cheap 102/305s few years ago and on all of them the left switch broke in less than 2 years. Bought 5 razer viper minis instead and they have an optical left switch which doesn't break, but instead the wheel switch breaks within a few years. Literally can't win with these companies.
my 3 gen 1 superlight all had their coating peel off. i zse grip tapes now and the buttons still peel. i guess im incompatible but at least they replace them
new comentry, new script and new drip. same old shiny head. loved it. give me more!!!!!
I went with kerris II ace vs superlight 2. Last few mice g703 and g604 both been faulty after a year. Left a bad taste for me.
I'm using superlight 1 and I have to replace all switches because they are trash.
Any recommended alternative mouse for a par performance ?
i dont know who else to ask. what mouse would you say it the BEST for claw grip
Old Logitech: "We are inspired to create products that fit comfortably at the palm of your hands."
Logitech now: "We have TeCHnOlOGY."
it took them several years to... make a different shape? 💀
HUGE ANIME BREASTS
I was stuck between buying wired or wireless.
Going from the Sensei Ten to the OP1 has helped greatly from fatigue & dropping from 90g to 55g it basically feels wireless.
I also bought an HE keyboard which has helped with my control a bit more & zero delay when I shoot because I use space as my primary fire to reduce even more fatigue from my aiming
4:28 i mean they seem to be the same as on the gpx2 non dex so the same aftermarket ones should work, not great the stock skates are terrible but id say that is a SLIGHT redeeming quality
They're are different shapes
@@DiamondLobbyReviews oh logitech.. i thought there might have been ONE thing going for it, but never mind i guess💀
they must have had lots of unproductive meetings if it took several years
I've got the Superlight 1 & 2, the last one I just updated to the latest firmware so that it now does support 8k polling.. the battery drain is insane, but idk what would make me buy this DEX version..
as a person who returned the superlight wireless mouse, only had one ever mouse not double click on me. logitech 3 button mouse, probably didn't use it long enough though (still have it, ps2 mouse lol). that being said, these companies make easy money suckering people to spend $150+ on a mouse. out of this world..
I used my superlight 1 for about 2-3 years and noticed that my control with the mouse wasn't nearly as good as when i used my viper mini 3 years ago. So i decided to get a Pulsar X2H. The pulsar mouse IMO feels much nicer in terms of shape, and even felt a little more responsive (could be wrong). All i will say is do your research before you buy. don't get what all the "pros are using" because most of the time, they will have brand deals with that company. I bought my superlight for $220 CAD, and don't like it nearly as much as my pulsar mouse that i got for $100 CAD.
You think the mouse is mediocre? I have an G 815 that god replaced 2 times because of the key caps cant hold its paint. You heard right paint. It isant double shot. WTF 2 weeks and I cant see what i written on the A,S,D,F,C,R letters As iI am not seeing the now. The shift key also has a gigantic hole on it. but as it is bigger, I stil can see the letters..
the bad news are that This can be replaced just 2 times lol. they literally said We wont correct this problem again lol
Do they fix the spin-out issue with their super sensitive "Hero" sensor? 😅
Actually, I love mouse friction as long as it's smooth and not sticky, and I use a cloth pad. However, as a budget conscious wired mouse user (the charging is not worth the effort anyway) I'm waiting for wired version. I just can't justify paying a ridiculous price for a disposable mouse that's also inconvenient. Too bad almost all lightweight mice are wireless. Also, are the mushy side buttons from fixed? G403's side buttons were perfect. The switches sound good. I've tried some Razer and other opticals in a store and they were trash, sticky as hell with a large gap between activation and deactivation force which made spamming cumbersome.
II had issues with the scroll wheel as well and was terrible on the first days but ended up fixing itself, not sure what happened
I almost wouldve won one for free from the aimlab challenge, and then I join the discord and see there are extra rules attached and suddenly all my score submissions are moot because I played all tasks on an fov that is apparently not allowed (even tho their minimum FOV is too high to be allowed in my main game), and if a single one of my submitted high scores would have been still on those settings it would have disqualified me for everything according to the rules, so I didn't even try to do the ultimate challenge again with the settings that they apparently want me to use because there was no way I was beating my high scores on all 9 other tasks with settings that I don't even want to play on while also still getting the top 500 on the task I was actually interested in
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This has happened to me with 4 different G300s mice, but it's the only mouse on the market currently that can handle my extreme sweat issue due to its shape.
Hm I actually enjoy the Dex compared to many others out there atm. I can agree with the thinn mouse skates sure, but at the same time Zowie's black original skates are like dry dirt on a clothpad in comparision on their offerings. Razer Viper V3 Pro had sensor errors even after firmware updates which in turn showed up during ESL Majors(search and find videos on this). And that one is more solid? Havent seen any problem with the Hero 2 sensor in the Dex yet. Instead it seems like they have fixed the outliers at 4000hz which the Superlight 2 had.
When it comes to the switches i find them light and crisp even compared to Lamzu Thorn and Pulsar Xlite V3 which i have on my desk aswell. But not as snappy as on the Stormbreaker BLG which uses Omron opticals aswell. The shape feels solid for my palmgrip, i would say that the angles and hight makes it an even safer shape then alot of other ergo shapes. I got no creaking or flex in the shell(unlike the awful DA V3 Pro)and the coating is similar but better then on my Xlite v3 white. The scrollwheel problem i havent noticed so far, for me it works just like many others. But with that said I don't use it for anything where i need to press it down so long, just throwing granades in some games.
I feel that Logitech has released a couple of bad products latly like their 60% keyboard that seems way off where the market trend is right now and that dreaded G309 crap. But the Dex for me is not one of them. It's actully the first ergo shape from them i don't find is built for an alien as their history going back to MX500 or Mouseman wheel for that matter 😂. And i normally don't like their products so go figure 😅
the scroll wheel on my gpro x 2 is supper messed up when I scroll down it does up and down ever so often and vise versa
Same mousewheel 3 issue on my superlight 1. Fixed it by replacing the micro switch on the pcb. They are using the same microswitch on all their superlights hence the issue
Loved the G903 Wireless, but it developed a double click issue on the Right mouse button. Registers 2 clicks when pressed once. They sent me a G Pro Wireless as a replacement, and now that has a double click issue on the TINY rear thumb button. Will look into a different company for my next mouse. Good customer service, but for $179 CAD I shouldn't need it.
Hi, I play dota 2 too. I'm using DAV3 HS for this game now. What's your favorite mouse for dota?
MAy I sk what kind of mousepad is that?
I just want a g903 magnesium, or light weight. The left/right tilt wheel inputs are absolutely incredible for mmos. But mmo mice/903 weight ruins it since I've switched to magnesium mice. 😢
I feel like im supposed to know what game the audio clips he uses to censor is from but im being dumb.. someone help me..
Fortunately, no problems with scroll wheel click on my superlight 2, but it is strange that they even have this issue at all
I use to be a logitrch fan. Last mouse i owned from them was the G305.solid mouse at the time but too small for me. Anything else started to get too expensive and made little sense for me to buy based on the point of diminishing returns.
I have a Superlight and I love it apart from micro usb and the scroll wheel. The form and feel is good,
"What is logitech doing" There I fixed it for you.
I live by my G600 but the new stuff doesn't fit my needs. a lighter mouse that doesn't feel like a brick.
I hear your comprehensive takes, I see you own a Xlite V3 so I must ask you... is there a chance for a ATK Z1 review? Especially in comparison to V3.
I'm torn between these two for my first wireless purchase and I would like to hear opinion from someone more experienced in the space.
I wish they make a G305 superlight. I've been using the Superlight 2 for almost a year now, but I keep coming back to the 305 coz of the shape, since I can't claw grip the superlight 2 comfortably.
psure u can fix that m3 issue . either open up the switch and just clean it with alco inside, and second just solder in new one. or just contact logi and get free mice
Just got my DEX today. Side buttons a little too high up. Skates are terrible. Software and profiles makes 0 sense.
I really can't tell the difference of the mouses they put out last several years
iunno if the viper v3 pro was a great comparison considering the majority of them shipped with a game breaking sensor issue that stops it from tracking when the mouse is set down. latest firmware fixes it, but the mouse still stutters occasionally when tracking. inexcusable for a 150 dollar mouse. but i do agree they made improvements to the coating, skates and that razer in general is trying to innovate more.
Awesome REVIEW! Love the presentation and how real you keep it. Subscribed!
I wish they would replace the power play with a skate similarly sized to the front. The puck is inconsistent, and no puck gives more friction to the front. For casual players I can see liking the convenience of charging through power play, but this is marketed as a "Pro" mouse. You don't need to charge the mouse so often where you're losing blocks of time connecting to USB.
Tbh i had a G305 and i thought it was great. until the middle mouse button just flat out broke. I had a G400 before that and everything was good except that the cable was flimsy and broke after a few years. Ended up buying the cheapest gaming mouse with a decent sensor i could find and it's surprisingly outlasted my time with the G305.
I need 2 buttons at the right side. I'm stuck on GPW
1:06 i did not expect to have XDX show up in this video
I messed with a certain mouse that the scroll wheel could be set to click or scroll infinite off momentum completely smooth like on bearings.
I have a G502x at work and I still somehow feel like I've been robbed by Logitech.
Yano, I’ve had more problems with razor than the annoyance of Logitech not improving. Probably will stick with logi :/