Note: Early in the video, we examine what effect Sims has on the Repair Party. Other commenters pointed out that this is probably not a bug, visual or otherwise. The reason is because it appears the Repair Party restores HP based on a certain percentage of the ship’s total HP; therefore, if you increase the ship’s total HP, it logically follows that the amount of HP restored by the repair party would likewise increase. This is something I did not know before noticing the number change in this case, which just goes to show you that as much as you may THINK you know about WoWsL, there is still new stuff to learn.
Wow I would have 100% said repair party is a static amount not tied to total hp. I don’t know that it makes a huge difference in most ships but it’s worth considering. Thanks for pointing that out.
@@bryanmurphy3957 I don’t know if it really makes a huge difference. It’ll still restore the same percentage of HP even if you buff the HP. Technically you’re getting more, but in terms of efficacy, you’re not really doing anything by buffing total ship HP other than buffing total ship HP, if that makes sense.
0:33 Repair party is buff whit sims because the repair party is a % of total HP, so if you increase the total HP of the ship (whit sims or other commander) the repair party is better
Sims trait is not percentage based. That’s Hide. For Sims, he increases ship HP by something like 380 HP per tier(if you have him at rank 16 like I do). So for Lushun being T8, that would be an HP buff of 380 x 8. It’s not percentage based. So therefore it should have no affect whatsoever on the repair party unless my understanding is completely incorrect.
Ok, yeah. That I guess makes sense and I realize that’s what the first commenter was saying now. So the Sims flat HP buff would logically increase the HP restored by the repair party if the consumable is percentage based. But it’s not obvious by looking at the stats that it is percentage based. It would make more sense to say the repair party restores xx% of HP over 20s if the consumable is percentage based, rather than giving the numbers.
In any case, for those people who claim they know everything there is to know about the game… well, there’s a ton of nuance like this under the surface. And clearly I don’t even know everything there is to know after playing for more than 4 years lol
@@Xarkunonly been playing 4 months and can see how complex this game is. Going to take some time to learn how everything affects the other. Commander builds is my biggest challenge right now with regard to how they affect each ship. Would love to see inspirations attached to a specific commander and left in place for a specific ship, instead of having to change the inspirations to work up a different ship using the same commander. Gets too complicated trying to remember each build. Notes help, but so complex sometimes. I guess I need more of the different AL commanders and such to make it easier.
Yeah, increasing the HP will increase the repair party. My main focus for years was British BBs and this was a big part of it. I'd be trying things like using AL Nelson with Hyde or Sims as inspirations just to see what nonsense I could do with the heals haha. Either way, it should absolutely NOT be that big of a difference. Ive toyed with it a lot of and ive never seen gains like that so something seems fishy with the way the ship's math is mathing out Lol (I even tried a full heal build on Daring just for the LuLz) Also I was the Bismarck your Lushun game that my team threw in spectacular fashion 😅 It was heartbreaking lmao
Sorry for your loss lol. But yeah. Some other commenters pointed out the repair party consumable is probably based on total ship HP as a percentage, so if you increase total ship HP it logically follows the number of HP restored by repair party would increase. That is something I had never noticed or thought of, which just goes to show how complicated and nuanced this game really is.
Sorry for your loss lol. But yeah. Some other commenters pointed out the repair party consumable is probably based on total ship HP as a percentage, so if you increase total ship HP it logically follows the number of HP restored by repair party would increase. That is something I had never noticed or thought of, which just goes to show how complicated and nuanced this game really is.
I like the short clips at the start accenting the features of the ships separately. You don't always have games where all the features are apparent and this is a solid way to showcase them.
I am LOVING lushun. Every offensive tool a cap contesting DD can ask for with the downside that its a slug. I run the other dude for destroy or be destroyed. Not necessarily building for torps. I like it. Best campaign since i started playing in early '23
Certainly the best campaign ship of 2024. I haven't tried the other guy because I think I want to take all the gun buffing skills on this thing, but I think the ship is versatile and can probably work very well with a number of builds.
@Xarkun I would run sa if he had D or D, I feel observant rage might hurt more than help, .2 seconds or so of reload just to add to the rudder shift on a whale. But it is a whay to run her and not at all a bad way. I agree with gun fire control in the 4th slot, the extra range is very nice for mid to late game while harassing BB mains. I'm I've been trying a normal bey/sims, but bey/violette is kind of spicy.
@@otf7466 I’d still take Sims as one inspiration. I can’t see a better choice than that. But for the second, I really do think practically anything could work. This ship is so versatile. As for the rudder debuff from observant range, sure. That is a downside. However, there is nothing that can be done about the 700m turning circle, so the thing is still going to turn like a clumsy brick even if the rudder shift time is a little lower. Therefore, I think Observant Range for the DPM buff and extra torpedo spotting is useful here. And frankly on most gunboats.
Me neither. I mean if you think about it, it’s not that big of a difference. It might increase the amount of HP restored in terms of raw numbers, but it’s still the same percentage of HP restored unless you take some sort of commander inspiration that does directly buff the repair party
@@Xarkun Al Graf Spee's base trait buffs repair party. Not sure if Sims or Graf Spee would get the bigger return, but Sims has the bonus of buffing HP pool as well.
good review Xarkun, really looking forward to getting this ship. Is the Sims effect based on the repair party being based off of percentage of ship HP possibly?
No, it’s a flat amount times ship tier. I think in my case with rank 16 Sims, it’s 380 HP per tier. So I wouldn’t think it should have any effect on the repair party consumable at all. Unless the repair party consumables HP numbers are percentage based. Then I could see how it would increase the amount the repair party is restoring, but I don’t know. It seems weird to me. I don’t think the repair parties work like that. If they were percentage based, then why would the stats show a flat number for HP restored instead of saying like 20% HP restored over 20 seconds?
@@Xarkun I meant the repair party being based off of percentage of ship total health, not anything related to the Sims trait, but more how it affects the total HP pool of the ship. I agree that it would be much clearer if the Repair Party consumable was described as xx% over xx Seconds, but I do believe that this is the formula behind the numbers they show on the screen
Hey mate, love the content. Thoughts on a ding ruchang build? With those heals and the snoke sonar, fully packed could be pretty juicy. Makes it a huge cap contester, though you do lose perceptive...
I think you could definitely use the torpedo build. Of course the torps wont deal with DDs but they are very good against everything else, and I don’t think buffing them is a bad thing. The ship is so versatile I think almost anything could work, but personally I’d always run it with the gun build because that’s how I enjoy playing DDs.
Ive been working on an Unstoppable Build. that damage con reload is a fun trick at close range. stand or fall is neat too. I like being rewarded for aggressive moves full spec the secondaries and with the epic mod in slot 4. so no matter what, your reload is getting faster! Hipper and rondo for sure
I will withhold judgement as it does look capable. But this ship does not look like it is quite strong enough to knock the Elbing off of the "King of the T8 Gunboat hill". It can't citadel Cruises & BB's at will, but its torpedos are mean. But I do think it's got a good set of tools. I look forward to trying it out.
Elbing doesn't have the utility this thing does with its smoke/sonar combo. I'm not sure the two are really comparable, because with Elbing you're really not going to be just straight up dominating caps. You might dominate cruisers with the AP, but not necessarily caps. Elbing basically has all the tools to be one of the most fun ships in the game, but not necessarily the most carry-capable DD. This thing has everything you need to dominate the cap contest game.
That’s right. I actually logged onto PC and looked at it. It has basically the same sonar and guns, though. And it’s at T10. As far as I can tell, the biggest changes are our Lushun has 100 less damage on the HE max damage, 0.1km less ship detect range on sonar, and smoke. I think MAYBE there’s a little too much going on between the smoke, the big heal, and the sonar. No one could accuse it of being underpowered, anyway.
It’s basically a copy/paste of the Neustrashimy. Tier 8 Russian DD on the alt line. But much better. As I hear it told, Neustrashimy is really bad. This thing is great.
I agree. I think against T7 ships, this thing would be pretty dirty. It would fit fine at LT if they just changed it with zero changes to any specs. And it would still be extremely powerful.
I think this ship is too weak, needs another set of 5 torpedoes and 3 torpedo relaunch boosters plus 2 more turrets to really get her performing with the other high tiers
Uhh yeah. Surely. Better give that feedback to WG so they buff this thing into the most OP ship in the game. 😂 But I don’t know, Bill. I know you’re a master at angling the ships, so I’m sure you’ll do just fine.
10.7km too little range for tier 8? You and I play different games then. If I want to gunboat at 13km, I play cruisers. When I DD, I only open up my guns if spotted, which means always under 6km unless I make a mistake like you and get radared - which happens sub 10.7km, never at 13km, so there’s never a need to ever spec into range. Lüshun is an AP gunboat and that AP loses pen over range, further supporting the notion to not spec into range, as you want to be close to take advantage of its low pen.
I mean you’re free to build it however you want, but yes, 10.7km is, in my mind, too little for a gunboat DD at this tier. Obviously increasing the range increases the distance at which you’ll be spotted when you fire. That’s entirely irrelevant to me and the way I play DDs, and my 71% WR in this particular ship over 14 games so far (I assume it will go down a bit with more games) does suggest that being spotted at 13km when I fire my guns is not a problem. And there are absolutely times when it is perfectly safe and reasonable to engage in open water gunboating with this ship and others.
Gunboat isn’t only about close range, look on pc how are played French and Russian DDs. Also Lushun have one of the best pen values because of Russian velocity and 130mm guns
To be fair, the pen value on Lushun (or the Russian DDs generally) isn't spectacular when it comes to the AP. It's not like the French or the alt German DD line. Both of those have insane pen on the AP. Really the value I see in building into range is you can probably do open water gun boating easier when it is necessary (and it is absolutely necessary sometimes). You're not going to be doing that too much when you've got the smokes this thing has. But I mean say you're in a smoke, a BB is pushing toward a cap 8km away. You start shooting, it turns, and your range is 10.7km. You're missing out on a ton of damage when it goes past that range. I find it better to have extra, and that's a hill I'm going to die on when it comes to how I build DDs. Whether people want to copy it or not is up to them, and you can make builds that are completely different than mine and still have great success. I think the only downside I'm willing to recognize as in any way valid for buffing DD gun range is the opportunity cost. What potential commander buffs are you giving up in order to take extra range? Specifically in this case, I am giving up Twist and Track and more DPM since I'm taking range instead of reload mod. Those are both pretty big things to give up in order to get a couple km extra range, but it is not a problem for me, and I don't accept the idea that there are any "right" ways to build a ship, except when it comes to the Unstoppable skill. If there is actually an objectively wrong way to build any DD in this game, it is choosing not to take Unstoppable. Everything else is a matter of optimizing what you need to optimize to suit your playstyle.
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Note: Early in the video, we examine what effect Sims has on the Repair Party. Other commenters pointed out that this is probably not a bug, visual or otherwise. The reason is because it appears the Repair Party restores HP based on a certain percentage of the ship’s total HP; therefore, if you increase the ship’s total HP, it logically follows that the amount of HP restored by the repair party would likewise increase. This is something I did not know before noticing the number change in this case, which just goes to show you that as much as you may THINK you know about WoWsL, there is still new stuff to learn.
Wow I would have 100% said repair party is a static amount not tied to total hp. I don’t know that it makes a huge difference in most ships but it’s worth considering. Thanks for pointing that out.
@@bryanmurphy3957 I don’t know if it really makes a huge difference. It’ll still restore the same percentage of HP even if you buff the HP. Technically you’re getting more, but in terms of efficacy, you’re not really doing anything by buffing total ship HP other than buffing total ship HP, if that makes sense.
0:33 Repair party is buff whit sims because the repair party is a % of total HP, so if you increase the total HP of the ship (whit sims or other commander) the repair party is better
Sims trait is not percentage based. That’s Hide. For Sims, he increases ship HP by something like 380 HP per tier(if you have him at rank 16 like I do). So for Lushun being T8, that would be an HP buff of 380 x 8. It’s not percentage based. So therefore it should have no affect whatsoever on the repair party unless my understanding is completely incorrect.
@@Xarkunrepair party heals a % of the total health pool of the ship. This should affect other ships as well.
Ok, yeah. That I guess makes sense and I realize that’s what the first commenter was saying now. So the Sims flat HP buff would logically increase the HP restored by the repair party if the consumable is percentage based. But it’s not obvious by looking at the stats that it is percentage based. It would make more sense to say the repair party restores xx% of HP over 20s if the consumable is percentage based, rather than giving the numbers.
In any case, for those people who claim they know everything there is to know about the game… well, there’s a ton of nuance like this under the surface. And clearly I don’t even know everything there is to know after playing for more than 4 years lol
@@Xarkunonly been playing 4 months and can see how complex this game is. Going to take some time to learn how everything affects the other. Commander builds is my biggest challenge right now with regard to how they affect each ship. Would love to see inspirations attached to a specific commander and left in place for a specific ship, instead of having to change the inspirations to work up a different ship using the same commander. Gets too complicated trying to remember each build. Notes help, but so complex sometimes. I guess I need more of the different AL commanders and such to make it easier.
Baited that Cleveland like a professional.
Yeah, increasing the HP will increase the repair party. My main focus for years was British BBs and this was a big part of it. I'd be trying things like using AL Nelson with Hyde or Sims as inspirations just to see what nonsense I could do with the heals haha. Either way, it should absolutely NOT be that big of a difference. Ive toyed with it a lot of and ive never seen gains like that so something seems fishy with the way the ship's math is mathing out Lol (I even tried a full heal build on Daring just for the LuLz)
Also I was the Bismarck your Lushun game that my team threw in spectacular fashion 😅
It was heartbreaking lmao
Sorry for your loss lol. But yeah. Some other commenters pointed out the repair party consumable is probably based on total ship HP as a percentage, so if you increase total ship HP it logically follows the number of HP restored by repair party would increase. That is something I had never noticed or thought of, which just goes to show how complicated and nuanced this game really is.
Sorry for your loss lol. But yeah. Some other commenters pointed out the repair party consumable is probably based on total ship HP as a percentage, so if you increase total ship HP it logically follows the number of HP restored by repair party would increase. That is something I had never noticed or thought of, which just goes to show how complicated and nuanced this game really is.
I like the short clips at the start accenting the features of the ships separately. You don't always have games where all the features are apparent and this is a solid way to showcase them.
Once I get this it will probably be top three with Repub, Hayate and this.
Hayate and Repub were both really excellent campaign rewards.
@@XarkunDefinitely, they are my most played tier 8s.
Great vid Xarkun. Thank you.
I am LOVING lushun. Every offensive tool a cap contesting DD can ask for with the downside that its a slug. I run the other dude for destroy or be destroyed. Not necessarily building for torps. I like it. Best campaign since i started playing in early '23
Certainly the best campaign ship of 2024. I haven't tried the other guy because I think I want to take all the gun buffing skills on this thing, but I think the ship is versatile and can probably work very well with a number of builds.
@Xarkun I would run sa if he had D or D, I feel observant rage might hurt more than help, .2 seconds or so of reload just to add to the rudder shift on a whale. But it is a whay to run her and not at all a bad way. I agree with gun fire control in the 4th slot, the extra range is very nice for mid to late game while harassing BB mains. I'm I've been trying a normal bey/sims, but bey/violette is kind of spicy.
@@otf7466 I’d still take Sims as one inspiration. I can’t see a better choice than that. But for the second, I really do think practically anything could work. This ship is so versatile. As for the rudder debuff from observant range, sure. That is a downside. However, there is nothing that can be done about the 700m turning circle, so the thing is still going to turn like a clumsy brick even if the rudder shift time is a little lower. Therefore, I think Observant Range for the DPM buff and extra torpedo spotting is useful here. And frankly on most gunboats.
First campaign i bought this year. She slaps.
Great video. The sims thing is pretty cool, never thought of that.
Me neither. I mean if you think about it, it’s not that big of a difference. It might increase the amount of HP restored in terms of raw numbers, but it’s still the same percentage of HP restored unless you take some sort of commander inspiration that does directly buff the repair party
@@Xarkun Al Graf Spee's base trait buffs repair party. Not sure if Sims or Graf Spee would get the bigger return, but Sims has the bonus of buffing HP pool as well.
good review Xarkun, really looking forward to getting this ship. Is the Sims effect based on the repair party being based off of percentage of ship HP possibly?
No, it’s a flat amount times ship tier. I think in my case with rank 16 Sims, it’s 380 HP per tier. So I wouldn’t think it should have any effect on the repair party consumable at all. Unless the repair party consumables HP numbers are percentage based. Then I could see how it would increase the amount the repair party is restoring, but I don’t know. It seems weird to me. I don’t think the repair parties work like that. If they were percentage based, then why would the stats show a flat number for HP restored instead of saying like 20% HP restored over 20 seconds?
@@Xarkun I meant the repair party being based off of percentage of ship total health, not anything related to the Sims trait, but more how it affects the total HP pool of the ship. I agree that it would be much clearer if the Repair Party consumable was described as xx% over xx Seconds, but I do believe that this is the formula behind the numbers they show on the screen
@@shannonmcc8161 that probably is it. It’s just so weird that it shows that way. I’ve never noticed it til last night.
.5 health regen, more health more regen. I was curious about it
Hey mate, love the content. Thoughts on a ding ruchang build? With those heals and the snoke sonar, fully packed could be pretty juicy. Makes it a huge cap contester, though you do lose perceptive...
I think you could definitely use the torpedo build. Of course the torps wont deal with DDs but they are very good against everything else, and I don’t think buffing them is a bad thing. The ship is so versatile I think almost anything could work, but personally I’d always run it with the gun build because that’s how I enjoy playing DDs.
Seems like this DD has japanese gunboat guns. And that sonar is nasty!
They’re Russian DD guns (130mm) but they do kind of have Kitakaze/Akizuki HE alpha numbers. So there’s kind of a similarity I guess.
Johan is good.
Helfrich build is less fun than Janko.... but Helfrich puts the stat gains in better places.
Helfrich for Johan? In some ways I think you’re right. I’ve tried that, but I still think the ship is overall mediocre and I don’t find it fun.
Ive been working on an Unstoppable Build.
that damage con reload is a fun trick at close range. stand or fall is neat too.
I like being rewarded for aggressive moves
full spec the secondaries and with the epic mod in slot 4. so no matter what, your reload is getting faster!
Hipper and rondo for sure
Hipper and rondo for sure*
I'm on the grind. Lushun looks pretty good, GG👍
I don’t think you’ll regret it. The ship is powerful.
I will withhold judgement as it does look capable. But this ship does not look like it is quite strong enough to knock the Elbing off of the "King of the T8 Gunboat hill". It can't citadel Cruises & BB's at will, but its torpedos are mean.
But I do think it's got a good set of tools. I look forward to trying it out.
Elbing doesn't have the utility this thing does with its smoke/sonar combo. I'm not sure the two are really comparable, because with Elbing you're really not going to be just straight up dominating caps. You might dominate cruisers with the AP, but not necessarily caps. Elbing basically has all the tools to be one of the most fun ships in the game, but not necessarily the most carry-capable DD. This thing has everything you need to dominate the cap contest game.
Fun fact,Lushun does not have smoke on PC
That’s right. I actually logged onto PC and looked at it. It has basically the same sonar and guns, though. And it’s at T10. As far as I can tell, the biggest changes are our Lushun has 100 less damage on the HE max damage, 0.1km less ship detect range on sonar, and smoke. I think MAYBE there’s a little too much going on between the smoke, the big heal, and the sonar. No one could accuse it of being underpowered, anyway.
I love this ship. Isn't it the other Russian DD. Not the Tashkent.
It’s basically a copy/paste of the Neustrashimy. Tier 8 Russian DD on the alt line. But much better. As I hear it told, Neustrashimy is really bad. This thing is great.
I think Lushun should be upgraded to the Legendary Tier. Too strong in the current matching pool.
I agree. I think against T7 ships, this thing would be pretty dirty. It would fit fine at LT if they just changed it with zero changes to any specs. And it would still be extremely powerful.
I think this ship is too weak, needs another set of 5 torpedoes and 3 torpedo relaunch boosters plus 2 more turrets to really get her performing with the other high tiers
Uhh yeah. Surely. Better give that feedback to WG so they buff this thing into the most OP ship in the game. 😂
But I don’t know, Bill. I know you’re a master at angling the ships, so I’m sure you’ll do just fine.
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10.7km too little range for tier 8? You and I play different games then. If I want to gunboat at 13km, I play cruisers. When I DD, I only open up my guns if spotted, which means always under 6km unless I make a mistake like you and get radared - which happens sub 10.7km, never at 13km, so there’s never a need to ever spec into range. Lüshun is an AP gunboat and that AP loses pen over range, further supporting the notion to not spec into range, as you want to be close to take advantage of its low pen.
I mean you’re free to build it however you want, but yes, 10.7km is, in my mind, too little for a gunboat DD at this tier. Obviously increasing the range increases the distance at which you’ll be spotted when you fire. That’s entirely irrelevant to me and the way I play DDs, and my 71% WR in this particular ship over 14 games so far (I assume it will go down a bit with more games) does suggest that being spotted at 13km when I fire my guns is not a problem. And there are absolutely times when it is perfectly safe and reasonable to engage in open water gunboating with this ship and others.
Gunboat isn’t only about close range, look on pc how are played French and Russian DDs. Also Lushun have one of the best pen values because of Russian velocity and 130mm guns
To be fair, the pen value on Lushun (or the Russian DDs generally) isn't spectacular when it comes to the AP. It's not like the French or the alt German DD line. Both of those have insane pen on the AP. Really the value I see in building into range is you can probably do open water gun boating easier when it is necessary (and it is absolutely necessary sometimes). You're not going to be doing that too much when you've got the smokes this thing has. But I mean say you're in a smoke, a BB is pushing toward a cap 8km away. You start shooting, it turns, and your range is 10.7km. You're missing out on a ton of damage when it goes past that range. I find it better to have extra, and that's a hill I'm going to die on when it comes to how I build DDs. Whether people want to copy it or not is up to them, and you can make builds that are completely different than mine and still have great success. I think the only downside I'm willing to recognize as in any way valid for buffing DD gun range is the opportunity cost. What potential commander buffs are you giving up in order to take extra range? Specifically in this case, I am giving up Twist and Track and more DPM since I'm taking range instead of reload mod. Those are both pretty big things to give up in order to get a couple km extra range, but it is not a problem for me, and I don't accept the idea that there are any "right" ways to build a ship, except when it comes to the Unstoppable skill. If there is actually an objectively wrong way to build any DD in this game, it is choosing not to take Unstoppable. Everything else is a matter of optimizing what you need to optimize to suit your playstyle.