This video is sadly a reupload, since RUclips felt like it had to remove this video for having 33 seconds of a Queensryche song while in reality it was only 27 seconds! Now it is 22 seconds only, let's see what happens. Thank you all for the support!
Hi . What is hpet disabled ( stock ) and hpet off? Should I leave it on in windows and turn off in bios for best fps , or disable both win and bios? Ryzen 2600
i think the reports of HPET causing problems for people in games like pubg is because they are using some sort of monitoring tool while they play. i use msi afterburner for example and i wouldnt be surprised if afterburner uses the HPET timer to time frames to get things like fps and frame time graphs. closing apps like this or turning off monitoring in them while you are not using them might help. but keep in mind, either way, its only when you are relaly cpu limited that HPET would make any difference at all
This definitely helped me with my stutter... Games feel a lot smoother. You don’t understand, I tried so many different things like upgrading my single 8Gb of RAM to 2x8GB which helped but didn’t completely remove stutters, I uninstalled/reinstalled my drivers which yet again improved my games but wasn’t enough to completely remove my micro stutters, I also tried empty cache because that was also causing me stutters, and then I learned about HPET and decided to search how to disable it which brought me to this video and I have to say you did a great job at explaining it... And thanks to you sir, I get to have a great PC gaming experience!
I disabled hpet on my 3800x processor, feels snappy like intel again. Glad i saw this video, my whole system just feels more responsive,im guessing it reduced a lot of input lag. Honestly, prob one of the best tweaks Ive done in awhile lol
I have seen some few games have crazy QueryPerformanceCounters (QPC) overhead in a sampling profiler, i often use one called Very Sleepy. The profiler inspects the state of the system rarely enough not to interfere too much, like several dozen times a second, you can fine tune it, and makes a snapshot of what each program is currently doing. After a long enough time, like several minutes at least, you get a somewhat adequate picture of where it's spending CPU time. You don't always have relevant results, like a thread stuck in a lock may very well be irrelevant if it isn't holding anything up, or there can be good reasons for things to look a little unusual. Anyway i think bcdedit option governs the behaviour of QPC, by default it tries to keep HPET-resulting sampling in line with TSC based sampling. TSC is clearly the lowest-overhead way to get a time reading, since it's an unprivileged instruction, the kernel32.dll in your process can just invoke it without context changes, and it has several gigahertz resolution (increments at base clock rate) and depending on the surrounding guards, will have either similar or slightly lower accuracy, anyway better than 100MHz. HPET requires dipping back into the true system kernel or otherwise would have an unusably low resolution, so there's a context switch away from the application and into the kernel proper, which is very slow, but luckily HPET and TSC should usually be in sync enough that real HPET calls should eventually become rare, but it's still an extra overhead on the part of QPC implementation. When you "disable" HPET in BCD, TSC is used exclusively, it's a shorter path, and can help on games which call QPC tens thousands of times a second and where QPC just takes too long and starts bogging them down. Some of the systems most affected are systems with substantial drift between TSC and HPET, where QPC just has to do more work to keep the resulting reading in sync. On these systems, disabling HPET will be both a relief, but also can expose really weird timing side effects where things actually drift apart! Then when HPET is "enabled" i suspect it drops TSC entirely and just uses HPET, which doesn't normally seem like a great idea to me. I would say games should cache their QPC results and not call the function too often, no more than several times per frame; if they need a fast timer that they call really often, they can check via CPUID that TSC is "invariant" type (they've been for 20 years though) and call TSC directly. However this can break on multi-CPU-socket boards; which are however going extinct on the consumer and workstation end of things. The application needs to be pinned within one CPU socket to read TSC correctly on these, since TSC is part of the CPU rather than the platform chipset (HPET is on chipset), and two CPUs will often have some TSC offset or drift against each other. Also TSC breaks when system goes to sleep, while QPC is guaranteed to maintain monotonicity and reasonable behaviour. It's difficult to predict how HPET either being present/absent in hardware (BIOS setting) or disabled in BCD affects the rest of the operating system. By all reason HPET is often not well behaved, and when possible, the system should be using LAPIC instead to schedule kernel wakeup events. Microsoft seemed to have fallen in love with HPET for some reason, but VMWare people seem to have a highly dissenting opinion about the quality and usability of this mechanism. There isn't even a fixed way to invoke it, HPET is specified over ACPI, which means BIOS provides a script to the operating system that describes how to access it, and the script can incur arbitrary overhead times, and systems with unreasonable drift and precision issues have been documented.
This guy answered all my questions r.e. HPET and my 1155 socket'd i7 CPU and was fun to watch. Great demonstrations as well. Thanks for making this and a total thumbs up sir.
I'm stuck with my older laptop for 6 months, had to leave my better desktop behind. This helped my struggling laptop immensely. I can tolerate 40-60fps even though I'm used to higher, but not if there is any stuttering which feels way worse at those lower framerates. At least with Breakpoint, Red Dead 2, and notably every Unreal Engine 4 game I have, turning off HPET really helped.
Ryzen owners don't enable it. It caused system hanging, stuttering, audio issues, while watching RUclips, capped my download speeds in steam. I didn't even know this was enabled and it caused me months of headaches and messing with drivers. My rig is a Ryzen 5 3600 on a gigabyte B350 gaming and gtx 1070 16gig memory.
Welp, I disabled HPET, and my pc started to stutter every 10~15 minutes, sometimes my monitors would shutdown. I started to take notice because I was listening to music and my music would stutter sometimes, for no reason. Went to the event viewer of my PC and discovered a spam of windows security events (mostly 5379 evets). After enabling HPET again the events reduced drastically of quantity and no more stutters in my systm. Strange right? Guess I'll keep it on for now, but the games really felt better with hpet off. A shame that windows is so... ugh...
hey, very helpfull video i had very bad gpu usage drops and i even changed the power supply :D but yea your video helped me alot now my gpu usage is 75-99% and last time it dropped like from 99 to 0 everywhere.
HPET is good for Windows 7 and below or whatever used those old timers, but it's a continuous timer that makes the CPU wait or makes an interrupt when it comes to scheduling. Intel is now recommending that this is turned off going forward with Windows 10; it's a bottleneck to the GPU as well.
I guess the problem with HPET is, the internal timer of the CPU (TSC) has to be in sync with it all the time even when HPET is not being used. If the motherboard impelementation of HPET is poor, the CPU will use some time while trying to sync with it just to make sure it is ready. Those syncing attempts would lose some CPU cycles with a poor design. That's why it causes stutters in some systems, especially when the CPU load is close to 100%.
Helpful indeed! My game out of nowhere started having episodes of roughness and grittiness despite my fps counter staying at a virtually steady 60 fps. The anomaly went away after I both disabled HPET and disabled dynamic tick altogether. It just so happens that I am using a 2nd gen i5. Thanks! 👍
Vc tem um sotaque claramente Brasileiro. Se eu estiver certo você irá dar like neste comentário, se não, você nem vai entender o que estou dizendo mesmo.
Pros and Cons of HPET On/Off. When you're editing or watching videos with Variable Frame Rate, the Video and Audio can really gets out of Sync the longer you play the Video or during the Export video task "When" HPET is OFF. Conclusion: if you often doing Video Editing, just leave HPET turned ON. But if you're only gaming, turn HPET OFF.
My system was literally having random skips with HPET on. Not like freezes or slow performance, I never had this skipping issue before with any other build. Couldn't for the life of me narrow down what the hell was causing it until I turned off HPET in the BIOS Power Settings.. No joke, the system hasn't had a single one more of these skips for over a year now! Ha, no surprise to see benchmarkable performance increases too - I noticed the same. If you have the same issue, Turn it off! I think the Ryzen 5 1600X and/or Gigabyte Gaming-3 AMD (not Intel) Mobo has a problem with it.
Great video ^-^ thanks a lot for making it! As far as copyright is concerned, I feel there are sites out there mentioning better or worse songs you can put in videos in terms of getting strikes. It's sad you got """caught""" with less than 30s, which is legal, but who knows... meh.
Você por aqui Cadu, rs" estou com um probleminha, minha GPU está em 50% a 55% na média, abaixou o FPS, não está em 95 a 100% igual antes, não estou conseguindo resolver isso...
I think I can tell why somebody took down your first upload. It wasn't because of music(or your amazing singing skills). It was because of 7:57 . And, somebody in some tech scene went, "Wait? What?!?" But, seriously, I'm gonna try this out with an i5-2320 I'm selling. I've paired it with older hardware in a new case selling around US $100, and I need to see if this will help. Thank you for the video :) P.S. I always leave default instructions for whoever I sell it too. I'm not gonna leave HPET disabled. I'm just gonna show whoever I sell it to your video and results; followed by my results when disabling too.
So I saw a video where it recommended enabling HPET and I had it disabled already as I knew that it could cause problems with Ryzen but I was like eh why not I can easily disable it again. And immediately after enabling it and restarting I noticed stuttering in my games, as a sanity check I disabled it and restarted and the stuttering went away.
You save my life... I've been struggling with soem high cpu intensive game. Like for example Minecraft. Before turning HPT off the game is not playable and my fps is inconsistent... After disable HPT the game is SMOOTH LIKE BUTTER! FPS from 70FPS to 200FPS! God bless you
I'm here to give my THANK YOU! To you! My specs are a 5600g/1650 DDR6/2x8GB 2666MHZ, And for some fuckable reason I was not able to use more than 15% of my GPU (This only happened in Valorant), even watching other people's videos with the same specification reaching up to 350 FPS. I searched many videos but none worked. Your video helped me A LOT! Now I'm capped at 144 (HZ from my monitor fresh rate at any low/med/high setting) THANK YOU!
built a new gaming pc, kept my old SSD with windows so I had to activate CSM on asus bios to be able to boot windows, didn't want to reinstall whole windows cause my ssd is still fast. Then the nightmare began. Laggy mouse movement, slow file explorer navigation and browsing, games fps drops. I couldn't believe how my 6yo pc was faster than the new one, it was impossible. I thought it was time to get a new SSD and fresh install windows, so I ordered it today, now I came to this video and realized that HPET was the only responsible for this. I disabled it and now it feels like a new rig should be. I don't understand why this feature caused a major impact on a new rig. But I'm happy to find the solution, now a new unworthy SSD is coming my way. Unbelievable.
Best video by far on this regard, thanks a lot! I wanted to set HPET to stock settings and let Windows decide what does it want to do with it, it can't hurt really.
@@AncientGameplays my settings get unstable. Every power saving feature is off except c1e. I try to overclock at 4.3ghz at 1.400 voltage and 1.23 at NB voltage and pc just crash by that. Can you say whats the problem with that
One question. If I choose to do "bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock", do I need to also disable HPET in Device Manager? Thanks in advance, I rly enjoy your videos :]
@@AncientGameplays my old system stopped working over 4 years ago, i will have to try & see if i can get it working. would be nice to get a boost in performance on that old PC if it will start.
@@OugaBoogaShockwave That's because disabling in bios and booting window would make your system crash and not boot because it is enable in windows as it is required to boot the system so conclusion i think it is common sense to say it best to disable it first in windows then bios
@@allaboutgaming5671 I HAVE TRIED, many WAYS...not going in to it right now. Basically i had 2 "almost" identical systems, 1 having a more "expensive" MoBo..........other then that they were identical in ALL features. i think there must have been a " using hacked win 7" copy that messed me up. any how.......i don't care for it.................i moved on long ago. THANK you for your reply.................we're talking like 1/2 decade ago when this hit my fans smothering me in ................ Good day friend...& thank you
Care to explain why in most tests your HPET pov had the GPU underclocked? In Shadow of War the clocks were as low as 550-590mhz for both core and vram while HPET pov were at 1600s and 920s mhz
@@AncientGameplays HPET changes schedulers to switch context between hardware requests. I doesn't do anything with hardware clock speeds or power management
@@AncientGameplays No, it does not "trigger a bottleneck". Event timers improve context switching between requests sent in hardware level. There are different algorithms (and they are more noticeable between intel and AMD than between processors of the same brand) and I would recommend playing with them. HPET prioritizes real time and high-demand processes (which games are) to be handled first. I am unsure if you have ever taken a look into them or if you know how HPET works in general, but what you are claiming, that they "trigger a bottleneck" and fiddle with clock or power draw is blatantly false. AMD used to have problems with HPET when Zen was released, to which they did recommend disabling HPET. They no longer state that and they actually encourage any AMD users to have them enabled: "By the time we hit the Ryzen-2000 series launched last week, the option to adjust HPET in the BIOS was not even in the motherboards we were testing. We cycled back to AMD about this, and they gave the following: The short of it is that we resolved the issues that caused a performance difference between on/off. Now that there is no need to disable HPET, there is no need for a toggle [in the BIOS]." Intel always claimed that they do not make any difference for benchmarking purpose and they recommend leaving it on: "[The engineers recommend that] as far as benchmarking is concerned, it should not matter whether or not HPET is enabled or not. There may be some applications that may not function as advertised if HPET is disabled, so to be safe, keep it enabled, across all platforms. Whatever you decide, be consistent across platforms." www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results/3 Disabling HPET simply makes your host OS to use old timers (i.e. PIT or RTC timers), which are less optimized for modern computing and tasks. The better way to perform tests to ensure disabling HPET makes any plausible difference is to use any timer testing tool (i.e. wintimertester) rather than measure in-game FPS when your hardware is not running in the same condition between test cases.
Mister, all you told me, i already knew before making the video since i like to know what i test (i even test kernel and other lantecies using Latencymon and AIDA64). What i said is true, i did use the "" signal since what i said way simply a way to explain it. The thing is that when using HPET enabled, Shadow of War doesn't react well and the fps stay locked at a lower value. It is easy to see that it is HPET related since it doesn't happen when HPET is set by default (Off). So, saying that HPET can't do this is just denying what is happening before our eyes. Strange things happen. We just have to deal with them :D
Muito bom! Para desabilitar o HPET eu preciso deixar ele off na BIOS, ou desativar apenas no Windows? Ou desativar ambos BIOS e Windows? Sempre fico confuso. Já vi pessoas recomendarem desligar a função na BIOS, outros recomendam apenas desativar no Windows, outros em ambos.
@@enmikos2 Testei a função com 'false' também, mas não deu nenhuma diferença. Pelo que eu li, quando se usa o 'delete', usa o stock do Windows 10, sendo este que gerencia quando usar ou não, e como desativei na BIOS, ele fica off em ambos. Consegui quase 10 FPS a mais com essa combinação. Obrigado pelo comentário.
as a music producer. this kind of made my PC great all over again. though what did you mean by HPET at stock settings? like don't overclock your system in the bios?
@@-Tris- i literally said that the stock settings on windows is HPET disabled, it will only activate if needed. Still, the best thing to do for performance is to turn it off on bios if your motherboard lets you do it
This saved my Roblox. It would have a strange cycle of normal 50 fps for five minutes, then 15 for five minutes, then back to 50, and so on. It was completely unplayable, but now the low phases are 30 instead of 15! Thank you!
I wonder how valid this tweak is on AMD cards after they released their DX11/OPGL driver with HAL support? Does HAL help at all in the instances that used to hold back AMD cards? I wonder...?
Dude, disabling it won't provide an FPS boost. In fact, it can confuse your computer and lead to inaccurate FPS calculations. Therefore, the FPS you are observing is invalid and not representative of the actual performance.
I disagree and I know your point perfectly. That's how it works nowadays, but not how it worked before. Fx cpus and 3000 and 4000 intel ones definitely benefited from didabling it. The difference was night and day
@@AncientGameplays msi b450 gaming plus, it took 4 hours for me to find what doesnt let pc reboot... are you sure disabling it makes any difference? i didnt feel anything, plus no difference at cinebech, heavenbench, furmark all gave same scores. and wouldnt we lose some efficiency, multitasking things etc whatever it is designed to be there? some one says the same here about restart issue when you disable it. forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=314566.0 even on your video comments, one guy mentioned the same, reboot issue. 2months before.
Same here, with 2700x and msi x470 gaming plus, I tryed with diferent BIOS, no effect/no fix "restart bug". HPET in my case = no restart, tbh is really weird but true, anyway, in older hardware is more worth it IMO, but, I get some fps gain in diferents games... 5... 10 fps? (in my ACTUAL setup/experience)...meh you know...1% lol. Grettings, good video :)
My setup (1800x 1080ti) snappier with HPET on, now so easy make a hit near or far distance. Like no mouse delay variation with FPS variation 60fps or 240fps do a butter smooth and had exactly same animation speed . The most important for me: the hit is get same place as i saw the pointer at clicking moment.
@Rahul BiswasI set them forced ON at OS and also ON at bios. My 2 cent: the HPET can not work as expected, or smash performance down if the OS Scheduler still reorder some tasks to geting wait for others or do the executeing litle later or sooner.. So you needed to set the priority mode to "real-time" on the aplications and background tasks (wher aviable this option) at task managger. And also you can use the windows timer tool app to force the OS to do the executing twice as often then normaly. All of all it's should shows like night and day diffrence, and work flawelessly if the whole hardver set up is correct.
Thank you so much, this tweak alone solved my micro-stuttering. 2700x, 5600xt, 16gb ram 3200mhz. Windows 10 is full with these unnecesary things, for gaming at least. Again THX
I tested this turning this off on my 3700x. It causes me to have stuttering over LAN connection in games like Ark survival, it caused me to teleport slightly backwards as if i was lagging. i imagine it would be the same for other unreal engine games and probably many others. I wonder if the FPS being recorded is even accurate. It might help some people but yeah i noticed strange things that made me feel like its better not touching.
@@TheCollectiveHexagon Português e Russo tem pronuncias semelhantes por incrível que pareça. A gente usa muito o "R" por exemplo, então é normal que seja similar.
Hi man. Thanks for doing this type of videos! I have a gigabyte b450m ds3h motherboard with a ryzen 5 2600. Should I disable the hpet both in the bios & windows? I'm only asking because if I'm trying to use the stock hpet command it gives me an error saying that element it's not found...
HPET DISABLED is one of the most placebo effect. You may see a higher FPS or benchmark results, But those are inaccurate data. It doesn't represent your PC "actually" going faster after disable HPET. It will messed up the real time monitoring data or benchmarks. Source: anandtech A Timely Discovery: Examining Our AMD 2nd Gen Ryzen Results, AMD and Intel Have Different HPET Guidance, Forcing HPET On Plus Spectre and Meltdown Patches) You may not disable HPET or force it to enabled, just leave it on auto aka stock, to get accurate and correct timing/data as true as possible.
As long as your G-clocks are lower on HPET=ON, what does that comparison show me? AT 8:11 your HPET=ON is running 577MHz, your HPET=OFF 1605MHz ??? tunnelview? ;)
This video is sadly a reupload, since RUclips felt like it had to remove this video for having 33 seconds of a Queensryche song while in reality it was only 27 seconds! Now it is 22 seconds only, let's see what happens. Thank you all for the support!
@• Lucas C. Yeah....
Hi . What is hpet disabled ( stock ) and hpet off? Should I leave it on in windows and turn off in bios for best fps , or disable both win and bios? Ryzen 2600
Fight the power! But stay cool 😎
i think the reports of HPET causing problems for people in games like pubg is because they are using some sort of monitoring tool while they play. i use msi afterburner for example and i wouldnt be surprised if afterburner uses the HPET timer to time frames to get things like fps and frame time graphs. closing apps like this or turning off monitoring in them while you are not using them might help. but keep in mind, either way, its only when you are relaly cpu limited that HPET would make any difference at all
how could i find my system is in french please help me
This definitely helped me with my stutter... Games feel a lot smoother. You don’t understand, I tried so many different things like upgrading my single 8Gb of RAM to 2x8GB which helped but didn’t completely remove stutters, I uninstalled/reinstalled my drivers which yet again improved my games but wasn’t enough to completely remove my micro stutters, I also tried empty cache because that was also causing me stutters, and then I learned about HPET and decided to search how to disable it which brought me to this video and I have to say you did a great job at explaining it... And thanks to you sir, I get to have a great PC gaming experience!
Great to hear you got things fixed. I may have more videos you enjoy ;D
Ancient Gameplays Awesome! I already hit that sub button :)
same bro bo use i hv 165hz and it lag micro suttle i will try turning off this
He is probably working for those PC optimizer company that's why he is doing this BS video.
is your hpet mode is 32bit or 64bit?
Immediate improvement with Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order. Thank you so much. Now my 5700xt has no skips at epic settings.
You are welcome mate
Did u put it on stock?
@@TheKillerZmile Yeah no overclock
I disabled hpet on my 3800x processor, feels snappy like intel again. Glad i saw this video, my whole system just feels more responsive,im guessing it reduced a lot of input lag. Honestly, prob one of the best tweaks Ive done in awhile lol
Glad you dis that!
Thanks, that was clear and really helpful. Ringed and suscribed.
Thanks man, you may want to watch some more of my videos :D
NO WAY... What a help from 70-80% GPU usage to 98-99% usage... soooo much more FPS on my Vega 56, thanks a lot
You are more than welcome man :D
Omg man u helped me so much my csgo was stuttering like a mf after i disabled hpet from bios csgo was smooth af thanks man Subbed.
You're welcome. I may have some more videos of your interest :D
@@AncientGameplays of course i'll check it out.❤
same here so much better off
Dude you can off it in device manager too
@@Thi_vas the man said turn it off in bios first then i did restart and went to device manager saw there's no more high precision timer.
Never mind. I fixed my problem with your video. You really are a life savor brother. Fortune and good health to you!
I have seen some few games have crazy QueryPerformanceCounters (QPC) overhead in a sampling profiler, i often use one called Very Sleepy. The profiler inspects the state of the system rarely enough not to interfere too much, like several dozen times a second, you can fine tune it, and makes a snapshot of what each program is currently doing. After a long enough time, like several minutes at least, you get a somewhat adequate picture of where it's spending CPU time. You don't always have relevant results, like a thread stuck in a lock may very well be irrelevant if it isn't holding anything up, or there can be good reasons for things to look a little unusual.
Anyway i think bcdedit option governs the behaviour of QPC, by default it tries to keep HPET-resulting sampling in line with TSC based sampling. TSC is clearly the lowest-overhead way to get a time reading, since it's an unprivileged instruction, the kernel32.dll in your process can just invoke it without context changes, and it has several gigahertz resolution (increments at base clock rate) and depending on the surrounding guards, will have either similar or slightly lower accuracy, anyway better than 100MHz. HPET requires dipping back into the true system kernel or otherwise would have an unusably low resolution, so there's a context switch away from the application and into the kernel proper, which is very slow, but luckily HPET and TSC should usually be in sync enough that real HPET calls should eventually become rare, but it's still an extra overhead on the part of QPC implementation. When you "disable" HPET in BCD, TSC is used exclusively, it's a shorter path, and can help on games which call QPC tens thousands of times a second and where QPC just takes too long and starts bogging them down. Some of the systems most affected are systems with substantial drift between TSC and HPET, where QPC just has to do more work to keep the resulting reading in sync. On these systems, disabling HPET will be both a relief, but also can expose really weird timing side effects where things actually drift apart! Then when HPET is "enabled" i suspect it drops TSC entirely and just uses HPET, which doesn't normally seem like a great idea to me.
I would say games should cache their QPC results and not call the function too often, no more than several times per frame; if they need a fast timer that they call really often, they can check via CPUID that TSC is "invariant" type (they've been for 20 years though) and call TSC directly. However this can break on multi-CPU-socket boards; which are however going extinct on the consumer and workstation end of things. The application needs to be pinned within one CPU socket to read TSC correctly on these, since TSC is part of the CPU rather than the platform chipset (HPET is on chipset), and two CPUs will often have some TSC offset or drift against each other. Also TSC breaks when system goes to sleep, while QPC is guaranteed to maintain monotonicity and reasonable behaviour.
It's difficult to predict how HPET either being present/absent in hardware (BIOS setting) or disabled in BCD affects the rest of the operating system. By all reason HPET is often not well behaved, and when possible, the system should be using LAPIC instead to schedule kernel wakeup events. Microsoft seemed to have fallen in love with HPET for some reason, but VMWare people seem to have a highly dissenting opinion about the quality and usability of this mechanism. There isn't even a fixed way to invoke it, HPET is specified over ACPI, which means BIOS provides a script to the operating system that describes how to access it, and the script can incur arbitrary overhead times, and systems with unreasonable drift and precision issues have been documented.
so on or off?
@@affliction0001off
everytime i like your vintage sound system specially your amplifier. There are natural dial frequency indicators and yellow lights blows my mind
this vid is pure gold. it was very helpful and interesting! (:
Great! You may like some of my new videos :D
THX MAN FOR BENCHMARK THE DIFFERENT IS REALLY NICE
How did you remove the song in the reupload?
Shortened it
@@AncientGameplays yeah f*ck youtube's very strict music copyright claiming. I got it multiple times too.
me too love Queensryche !!! This logo is from Operation : Mindcrime but the song is from "The Warning" !!!
:)
only gay people and younger millenials can listen to such crap
@@albirdie1630 only you, should just stfu
Shadow of war seems like the problem that im currently going through... Im so glad I found this
This guy answered all my questions r.e. HPET and my 1155 socket'd i7 CPU and was fun to watch. Great demonstrations as well. Thanks for making this and a total thumbs up sir.
Thank you
Hello do you enable it hpet why I am asking I got aswell a 1155 system and after 7 hours game play it crash just power of no blue screen
I'm stuck with my older laptop for 6 months, had to leave my better desktop behind. This helped my struggling laptop immensely. I can tolerate 40-60fps even though I'm used to higher, but not if there is any stuttering which feels way worse at those lower framerates.
At least with Breakpoint, Red Dead 2, and notably every Unreal Engine 4 game I have, turning off HPET really helped.
Great to hear :D
I was testing just now in Ark, unreal engine 4. it causes me to have stuttering with my connection over LAN when flying.
No difference in my case, also my computer won't restart with HPET OFF I'm just receiving black screen.
Now that is something weird
I like this guy's energy.
Thanks, this video is quite old tho haha
@@AncientGameplays But it has worked for me!!! Thank you very much, my Ryzen 3700u was sometimes a mess with youtube videos, now it's fine
Also daammmnnn that note was spot on
well, thanks xD
Ryzen owners don't enable it. It caused system hanging, stuttering, audio issues, while watching RUclips, capped my download speeds in steam. I didn't even know this was enabled and it caused me months of headaches and messing with drivers. My rig is a Ryzen 5 3600 on a gigabyte B350 gaming and gtx 1070 16gig memory.
Well, that makes me think Ryzen kinda blows then. No HPET actually gives much less input lag and faster response times at everything.
Isaac bcdedit/ deletevalue useplatformclock
seeing this on new year. it really helped brother.
please make more videos.
happy new year, you got a subscriber
I have a lot more videos, check my video section
Welp, I disabled HPET, and my pc started to stutter every 10~15 minutes, sometimes my monitors would shutdown. I started to take notice because I was listening to music and my music would stutter sometimes, for no reason. Went to the event viewer of my PC and discovered a spam of windows security events (mostly 5379 evets). After enabling HPET again the events reduced drastically of quantity and no more stutters in my systm. Strange right? Guess I'll keep it on for now, but the games really felt better with hpet off. A shame that windows is so... ugh...
Strange indeed, but keep it on then
hey, very helpfull video i had very bad gpu usage drops and i even changed the power supply :D but yea your video helped me alot now my gpu usage is 75-99% and last time it dropped like from 99 to 0 everywhere.
Great to know :D
HPET is good for Windows 7 and below or whatever used those old timers, but it's a continuous timer that makes the CPU wait or makes an interrupt when it comes to scheduling. Intel is now recommending that this is turned off going forward with Windows 10; it's a bottleneck to the GPU as well.
after years of low fps on pubg this finally fixed it. You earned a sub from me ty so much man. I cant believe I'm not getting stutters anymore ty
Great!
I guess the problem with HPET is, the internal timer of the CPU (TSC) has to be in sync with it all the time even when HPET is not being used. If the motherboard impelementation of HPET is poor, the CPU will use some time while trying to sync with it just to make sure it is ready. Those syncing attempts would lose some CPU cycles with a poor design. That's why it causes stutters in some systems, especially when the CPU load is close to 100%.
Exactly, missed cycles will cause stutters or performance loss most of the times when the cpu was no more power to use
Thanks dude , I was getting 70 fps in gta 5, but I got frame drops after a few minutes, I followed your steps and it won't stutter anymore! Thanks 👍🏿
Great!
Helpful indeed! My game out of nowhere started having episodes of roughness and grittiness despite my fps counter staying at a virtually steady 60 fps. The anomaly went away after I both disabled HPET and disabled dynamic tick altogether. It just so happens that I am using a 2nd gen i5. Thanks! 👍
Great to hear 💪
Wow thanks for this info watched lot of your videos don't know how I missed this important one ().
Saw your video get taken down a few hours ago
Happy to see you uploading again. Hurrah !
Happy to you see here commenting again! Thanks :D
@@AncientGameplays i have a request.. Will you do a video on the gaming performance differences in various windows versions like the new 1903 vs 1703
Damn, that would be a hell of work and i already have some CPU videos to do hehe
Vc tem um sotaque claramente Brasileiro. Se eu estiver certo você irá dar like neste comentário, se não, você nem vai entender o que estou dizendo mesmo.
Português na verdade
@@AncientGameplays Eu percebi logo pelo sotaque. Bom trabalho e bom video!
eu tbm tinha reparado nisso kkk
@@AncientGameplays Nossa, como q eu não notei '-'
Great informational video! I love the cool style of it. 👍
Thanks hehe
Yeah, that's what I'm looking for, more decrapifyng windows pc videos!
is this Irony? xD
Pros and Cons of HPET On/Off.
When you're editing or watching videos with Variable Frame Rate, the Video and Audio can really gets out of Sync the longer you play the Video or during the Export video task "When" HPET is OFF.
Conclusion: if you often doing Video Editing, just leave HPET turned ON.
But if you're only gaming, turn HPET OFF.
@Insxdious. u ryzen? disabled it on bios
My system was literally having random skips with HPET on. Not like freezes or slow performance, I never had this skipping issue before with any other build. Couldn't for the life of me narrow down what the hell was causing it until I turned off HPET in the BIOS Power Settings.. No joke, the system hasn't had a single one more of these skips for over a year now! Ha, no surprise to see benchmarkable performance increases too - I noticed the same. If you have the same issue, Turn it off! I think the Ryzen 5 1600X and/or Gigabyte Gaming-3 AMD (not Intel) Mobo has a problem with it.
Never had a gigabyte mobo, but thanks for the tip
nice video mate, keep it going!
Thanks man :D
Great video ^-^ thanks a lot for making it! As far as copyright is concerned, I feel there are sites out there mentioning better or worse songs you can put in videos in terms of getting strikes. It's sad you got """caught""" with less than 30s, which is legal, but who knows... meh.
Yeah, it is now on air again haha
Eu tive esse problema recentemente após ter instalado al suite 3, isso restaurou os problemas mesmo após desinstalar o programa
Cadu, eu posso fazer isso no meu PC? N vai dar problema?
Você por aqui Cadu, rs" estou com um probleminha, minha GPU está em 50% a 55% na média, abaixou o FPS, não está em 95 a 100% igual antes, não estou conseguindo resolver isso...
I think I can tell why somebody took down your first upload. It wasn't because of music(or your amazing singing skills). It was because of 7:57 . And, somebody in some tech scene went, "Wait? What?!?"
But, seriously, I'm gonna try this out with an i5-2320 I'm selling. I've paired it with older hardware in a new case selling around US $100, and I need to see if this will help. Thank you for the video :)
P.S. I always leave default instructions for whoever I sell it too. I'm not gonna leave HPET disabled. I'm just gonna show whoever I sell it to your video and results; followed by my results when disabling too.
Thanks for watching:D
What kind of results did you get?
omg man, u saved my ass, i had mouse delay on pubg this SOLVED it!!
You're welcome xD
So I saw a video where it recommended enabling HPET and I had it disabled already as I knew that it could cause problems with Ryzen but I was like eh why not I can easily disable it again. And immediately after enabling it and restarting I noticed stuttering in my games, as a sanity check I disabled it and restarted and the stuttering went away.
Yeap, i always disabled it. HPET? No thanks xD
@@AncientGameplays hello sir can u tell me from where you disable hpet, bios or from device maneger or prompit and thanx for every thing sir :)
ayy nice tune selection
You save my life... I've been struggling with soem high cpu intensive game. Like for example Minecraft. Before turning HPT off the game is not playable and my fps is inconsistent... After disable HPT the game is SMOOTH LIKE BUTTER! FPS from 70FPS to 200FPS! God bless you
Great!!
bcdedit /deleteVALUE useplatformclock
THanks
..."have had problems..." absolutely correct grammar, congratulations!
Thanks haha. Pretty old video :D
I'm here to give my THANK YOU! To you!
My specs are a 5600g/1650 DDR6/2x8GB 2666MHZ, And for some fuckable reason I was not able to use more than 15% of my GPU (This only happened in Valorant), even watching other people's videos with the same specification reaching up to 350 FPS. I searched many videos but none worked. Your video helped me A LOT! Now I'm capped at 144 (HZ from my monitor fresh rate at any low/med/high setting) THANK YOU!
built a new gaming pc, kept my old SSD with windows so I had to activate CSM on asus bios to be able to boot windows, didn't want to reinstall whole windows cause my ssd is still fast. Then the nightmare began. Laggy mouse movement, slow file explorer navigation and browsing, games fps drops. I couldn't believe how my 6yo pc was faster than the new one, it was impossible. I thought it was time to get a new SSD and fresh install windows, so I ordered it today, now I came to this video and realized that HPET was the only responsible for this. I disabled it and now it feels like a new rig should be. I don't understand why this feature caused a major impact on a new rig. But I'm happy to find the solution, now a new unworthy SSD is coming my way. Unbelievable.
Best video by far on this regard, thanks a lot! I wanted to set HPET to stock settings and let Windows decide what does it want to do with it, it can't hurt really.
you are welcome man :D
Which pc cabinet r u using? Its looks so good.😘
Hey mate. Using cooler master cosmos II
Me: why wearing a coat in all of your videos
Ancient Gameplays: because low ambiant tempreature is the most efficient way to cool a PC
hehehe
This is true Transparency
always!
Using FX 6300 with RX 580 8GB and 24Gig Ram on MSI 970.
Disabling HPET, cool n quite, c1e and C6 will increase the performance.
Yeap, i always disable those option and show them disabled on my overclocking videos
@@AncientGameplays my settings get unstable.
Every power saving feature is off except c1e.
I try to overclock at 4.3ghz at 1.400 voltage and 1.23 at NB voltage and pc just crash by that. Can you say whats the problem with that
It may be many things....
man..u saved my pc
You're welcome
One question. If I choose to do "bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock", do I need to also disable HPET in Device Manager? Thanks in advance, I rly enjoy your videos :]
You shouldn't. I would advise you disable it on bios if you have that option. If you somehow have any kind of problems, just put it ON like before
HPET was on for me this whole timeeeeeeeeee Fabio to the rescue once more time
you're welcome :D
With disable HPET i getting lot stable framerate on my FX 6100
Great to known. On old platforms you will notice even more :D
@@AncientGameplays my old system stopped working over 4 years ago, i will have to try & see if i can get it working.
would be nice to get a boost in performance on that old PC if it will start.
@@OugaBoogaShockwave That's because disabling in bios and booting window would make your system crash and not boot because it is enable in windows as it is required to boot the system so conclusion i think it is common sense to say it best to disable it first in windows then bios
@@allaboutgaming5671 I HAVE TRIED, many WAYS...not going in to it right now.
Basically i had 2 "almost" identical systems, 1 having a more "expensive" MoBo..........other then that they were identical in ALL features.
i think there must have been a " using hacked win 7" copy that messed me up.
any how.......i don't care for it.................i moved on long ago.
THANK you for your reply.................we're talking like 1/2 decade ago when this hit my fans smothering me in ................
Good day friend...& thank you
You disabled it in the BIOS or through the command line
?
Care to explain why in most tests your HPET pov had the GPU underclocked? In Shadow of War the clocks were as low as 550-590mhz for both core and vram while HPET pov were at 1600s and 920s mhz
HPET was clearly bottlenecking the hardware there (as can be seen) :D
@@AncientGameplays HPET changes schedulers to switch context between hardware requests. I doesn't do anything with hardware clock speeds or power management
It can, and it does trigger a "bottleneck" as can be seen. The game immediately started worked normally after putting HPET default (OFF)
@@AncientGameplays No, it does not "trigger a bottleneck". Event timers improve context switching between requests sent in hardware level. There are different algorithms (and they are more noticeable between intel and AMD than between processors of the same brand) and I would recommend playing with them. HPET prioritizes real time and high-demand processes (which games are) to be handled first. I am unsure if you have ever taken a look into them or if you know how HPET works in general, but what you are claiming, that they "trigger a bottleneck" and fiddle with clock or power draw is blatantly false.
AMD used to have problems with HPET when Zen was released, to which they did recommend disabling HPET. They no longer state that and they actually encourage any AMD users to have them enabled:
"By the time we hit the Ryzen-2000 series launched last week, the option to adjust HPET in the BIOS was not even in the motherboards we were testing. We cycled back to AMD about this, and they gave the following:
The short of it is that we resolved the issues that caused a performance difference between on/off. Now that there is no need to disable HPET, there is no need for a toggle [in the BIOS]."
Intel always claimed that they do not make any difference for benchmarking purpose and they recommend leaving it on:
"[The engineers recommend that] as far as benchmarking is concerned, it should not matter whether or not HPET is enabled or not. There may be some applications that may not function as advertised if HPET is disabled, so to be safe, keep it enabled, across all platforms. Whatever you decide, be consistent across platforms."
www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results/3
Disabling HPET simply makes your host OS to use old timers (i.e. PIT or RTC timers), which are less optimized for modern computing and tasks.
The better way to perform tests to ensure disabling HPET makes any plausible difference is to use any timer testing tool (i.e. wintimertester) rather than measure in-game FPS when your hardware is not running in the same condition between test cases.
Mister, all you told me, i already knew before making the video since i like to know what i test (i even test kernel and other lantecies using Latencymon and AIDA64). What i said is true, i did use the "" signal since what i said way simply a way to explain it. The thing is that when using HPET enabled, Shadow of War doesn't react well and the fps stay locked at a lower value. It is easy to see that it is HPET related since it doesn't happen when HPET is set by default (Off).
So, saying that HPET can't do this is just denying what is happening before our eyes.
Strange things happen. We just have to deal with them :D
If the Benchmarking software itself is relying on HPTE and now is forced to use TSC .. doesn't that make the results compromised?
LET'S START A F*CKING REBELLION AGAINST RUclips!
Hahah, it would probably mean nothing sadly xD
@@AncientGameplays yeah, you're probably right... but whatever, we could at least try...
Yeah, my revolution is to upload the video once again xD
@@AncientGameplays today the video, tomorrow, the WORLD.
@@theunholybakery1990 Let's see how far can i go hahah
thank you for this,also can we get even more stable fps by disabling cool n quiet ?
I always disable cool n quiet and c6 state
@@AncientGameplays thanks a lot man interesting video btw. keep it up
@@Alphazer0 thanks. Check my video section. Some may interest you :D
Funny how HPET makes the sync in videos go to absolute shit.
Muito bom!
Para desabilitar o HPET eu preciso deixar ele off na BIOS, ou desativar apenas no Windows?
Ou desativar ambos BIOS e Windows? Sempre fico confuso.
Já vi pessoas recomendarem desligar a função na BIOS, outros recomendam apenas desativar no Windows, outros em ambos.
@@enmikos2 Testei a função com 'false' também, mas não deu nenhuma diferença. Pelo que eu li, quando se usa o 'delete', usa o stock do Windows 10, sendo este que gerencia quando usar ou não, e como desativei na BIOS, ele fica off em ambos.
Consegui quase 10 FPS a mais com essa combinação.
Obrigado pelo comentário.
@@k41nn pera, então você desabilitou com false ou delete ?
I love this video
as a music producer. this kind of made my PC great all over again. though what did you mean by HPET at stock settings? like don't overclock your system in the bios?
Stock hpet settings xD
@@AncientGameplays So if your stock settings are HPET ON its better? Doesn´t make sense to me.
@@-Tris- i literally said that the stock settings on windows is HPET disabled, it will only activate if needed. Still, the best thing to do for performance is to turn it off on bios if your motherboard lets you do it
@@AncientGameplays ok i was a bit confused there. I just recently switched to a new PC and Win 10, and it was enabled by default.
@@-Tris- usually bios is enabled by default, but not on windows
Thank you, useful video.
You are welcome :D
@Ancient Gameplays did you test this on your current setup too? I'm so curious how does it fare on new gen Ryzens!
This saved my Roblox. It would have a strange cycle of normal 50 fps for five minutes, then 15 for five minutes, then back to 50, and so on. It was completely unplayable, but now the low phases are 30 instead of 15! Thank you!
Great to know!
Mine was already off in bios for 64bit. I turned on hpet and gears4 went from 60- 100 down to 30fps 🤣
Lol
I wonder how valid this tweak is on AMD cards after they released their DX11/OPGL driver with HAL support? Does HAL help at all in the instances that used to hold back AMD cards? I wonder...?
So i dont need to adjust anything becouse win10 stock is best?
Exactly. Just disable it on BIOS if you can :D
Helpful , +10fps Cyberpunk , thanks
I have En Force by Queensryche in my Up Next. Pretty cool to see that
Dude, disabling it won't provide an FPS boost. In fact, it can confuse your computer and lead to inaccurate FPS calculations. Therefore, the FPS you are observing is invalid and not representative of the actual performance.
I disagree and I know your point perfectly. That's how it works nowadays, but not how it worked before. Fx cpus and 3000 and 4000 intel ones definitely benefited from didabling it. The difference was night and day
so what's go-to nowadays?@@AncientGameplays
Thanks man. i5 3470 Windows 11 in 2024 HTP disable is very smoth
Thanks 😊
hi Stock HPET: bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock + bios
or Disable HPET: bcdedit /set useplatformclock false + bios
8:14 why GPU uses only 600mhz on left and on right its boost mode on 1600???
50% usage and 97% WTF?
Obviously because hpet is messing it around..hence the low perf
An error occurred while attempting to delete the specified data element.
Element not found.
if i disable htpet, my pc cant be restarted, it just stays awake.... idk why.
Now that is some interesting thing, really really interesting. What motherboard do you have?
@@AncientGameplays msi b450 gaming plus, it took 4 hours for me to find what doesnt let pc reboot...
are you sure disabling it makes any difference? i didnt feel anything, plus no difference at cinebech, heavenbench, furmark all gave same scores.
and wouldnt we lose some efficiency, multitasking things etc whatever it is designed to be there?
some one says the same here about restart issue when you disable it.
forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=314566.0
even on your video comments, one guy mentioned the same, reboot issue. 2months before.
Same here, with 2700x and msi x470 gaming plus, I tryed with diferent BIOS, no effect/no fix "restart bug". HPET in my case = no restart, tbh is really weird but true, anyway, in older hardware is more worth it IMO, but, I get some fps gain in diferents games... 5... 10 fps? (in my ACTUAL setup/experience)...meh you know...1% lol. Grettings, good video :)
teu inglês é tão limpo, pra quem tá aprendendo é tão bom que ajuda demais
Ainda bem haha. Abraço
My setup (1800x 1080ti) snappier with HPET on, now so easy make a hit near or far distance. Like no mouse delay variation with FPS variation 60fps or 240fps do a butter smooth and had exactly same animation speed . The most important for me: the hit is get same place as i saw the pointer at clicking moment.
@Rahul BiswasI set them forced ON at OS and also ON at bios.
My 2 cent: the HPET can not work as expected, or smash performance down if the OS Scheduler still reorder some tasks to geting wait for others or do the executeing litle later or sooner..
So you needed to set the priority mode to "real-time" on the aplications and background tasks (wher aviable this option) at task managger.
And also you can use the windows timer tool app to force the OS to do the executing twice as often then normaly.
All of all it's should shows like night and day diffrence, and work flawelessly if the whole hardver set up is correct.
continuing to help with stutters in 2023
bcdedit /disable useplatformclock this command doesn't work.
An unknown command was specified.
Run "bcdedit /?" for command line assistance.
Hey mate. My bad, already fixed it.
Like shown in the video, it is:
bcdedit /delete useplatformclock
@@AncientGameplays thank you :)
you are welcome :D
Thank you so much, this tweak alone solved my micro-stuttering. 2700x, 5600xt, 16gb ram 3200mhz. Windows 10 is full with these unnecesary things, for gaming at least. Again THX
Great!
bcdedit /delete useplatformclock
The specified entry identifier is not valid.
The parameter is incorrect.
pls help
The parameters are incorrect because they are already applied
@@AncientGameplays oh okay
Nice Jacket
Thanks :D
+30 fps average and reduce imput lag, the game is very smooth now!
on i3 3240 from 1155 socket
You're welcome:D
shadow of war: that was nasty.
Yeap
Its nasty because the difference between gpu clock speeds..
People who think that this is a placebo effect probably don't have an older gen amd CPU and know nothing :/
Exactly, Older AMD and INTEL Cpus would stutter like crazy in some scenarios due to this, and disabling it was a godsend....
I tested this turning this off on my 3700x. It causes me to have stuttering over LAN connection in games like Ark survival, it caused me to teleport slightly backwards as if i was lagging. i imagine it would be the same for other unreal engine games and probably many others. I wonder if the FPS being recorded is even accurate. It might help some people but yeah i noticed strange things that made me feel like its better not touching.
This was a help mostly for older systems, on the current ones it is irrelevant
Yeah nice Video Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!and intel is same!!!!!!!HPET off by default is the best choice
Great to see people watching this :D
Yes !!!!!!!!!!
Cara desconfiou que você é BR. Existe algum problema em desativa HPET ?
Sou PT hehe. Nao tem mal algum
PT com esse sotaque russo? kk
@@AncientGameplays eeee queeeee
@@TheCollectiveHexagon Português e Russo tem pronuncias semelhantes por incrível que pareça. A gente usa muito o "R" por exemplo, então é normal que seja similar.
Hi man. Thanks for doing this type of videos!
I have a gigabyte b450m ds3h motherboard with a ryzen 5 2600. Should I disable the hpet both in the bios & windows? I'm only asking because if I'm trying to use the stock hpet command it gives me an error saying that element it's not found...
Hey, bios alone will do it :D
Thanks man
I love the Queensryche, grow up with it.
Don't worry Fabian: Every Thing Is Going To Be All Riche
Exactly hahaha xD
HPET DISABLED is one of the most placebo effect.
You may see a higher FPS or benchmark results, But those are inaccurate data. It doesn't represent your PC "actually" going faster after disable HPET.
It will messed up the real time monitoring data or benchmarks.
Source: anandtech A Timely Discovery: Examining Our AMD 2nd Gen Ryzen Results, AMD and Intel Have Different HPET Guidance, Forcing HPET On Plus Spectre and Meltdown Patches)
You may not disable HPET or force it to enabled, just leave it on auto aka stock, to get accurate and correct timing/data as true as possible.
What is not placebo is removi g stutters in older systems
pra mim oque entregou melhor desempenho foi o bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock
what i should for stock hpet on bios screen? enable or disable
Stock is not disabled nor enabled, it is auto
As long as your G-clocks are lower on HPET=ON, what does that comparison show me? AT 8:11 your HPET=ON is running 577MHz, your HPET=OFF 1605MHz ??? tunnelview? ;)
It showed me that with HPET ON the GPU clock won't simply go above 577Mhz god knows why
I don’t think it makes a difference on my Ryzen 2600 rx 580
Ayy, same combo here