Good and bad. Good that it's free, bad that it kinda confirms Coop's concerns about longetivity. If you throw away your subscription business model just to sell the hardware, you likely really want that hardware gone.
@@rjm656 Definitely don't disagree, but it could also be a way to get their product out there early for company that has some stiff competition. Acknowledging that, financially, you may be at more of a loss at the beginning of the business to setting yourself up for long term success isn't always a bad move. If it gets more buyers at the door now, it then guarantees more exposure for a market that is currently oversaturated with subscription type products.
Wouldn’t that then future proof it? The fact you can use it without a membership I think lends itself to longevity if the company fails. Kinda think coop did a disservice to spin it the other way.
I have a Tonal at home. I've had it for over three years and had one issue with it. It was a bit of a hassle but it was ultimately settled to my satisfaction. As to the experience, it's bolted to the wall and won't move, but it's in my workout room and I have no need or desire to move it unless I relocate. And if I do that, moving the Tonal will be the least of my worries. It's an excellent device, the articulating arms give you every position and angle for any exercise. Then I have a Speediace Gym Monster in my office - I work out during lunch during the week. It does have shortcomings with respect to the positions that can be achieved, as you point out but, for the use I got it for, it's fine. I agree that the Speediance is much more useful without a membership than is the Tonal. I don't use any of the studio workouts on either machine, I program custom workouts for the Tonal and mostly just use the Free mode on the Speediance. Sadly, I also have a Vitruvian Pro + and have had problems with it. the attachments have gotten stuck twice and can't be unstuck. When it's working, I like the Vitruvian, I can drag it into the bedroom or living room and watch TV while I work out. The worst part of Vitruvian (other than it breaking) is that you literally can do nothing with it other than through the app, which is ridiculous. Conclusion: I've spent too much money!
I agree with Kai Anthony’s comment. I purchased a set of PowerBlock Dumbbells and a used Olympic bar with 300 lbs. of plates in 1997 that I am still using to this day. I’ve gone through a couple of adjustable benches and eventually broke down and bought a power rack with spotter arms and a row/pulldown attachment. I added up all I’ve spent over the years and I still have less than $1000 in it. You just can’t beat the durability or effectiveness of free weight equipment.
Just wanted to say I always hate reviews that people give but this felt so honest and genuine. I’m decent at reading someone trying to persuade me but I could just tell that this was an honest review. Props to you I’m subbing!
Hopefully this will force tonal to be more price competitive, and add subscriptions tiers. This is good news for the consumer to get another option. As a tonal user I hate paying the subscription fee
Smart gym memberships could make sense if they also included a vastly extended warranty (this one is two years?! for $2,500?), a lifetime warranty, or guaranteed pathway to upgrades for heavy discounts... something. Pay towards the membership since day one and you're covered -- or don't pay any additional membership, have full functionality available at launch and limited essential upgrades, but maybe not classes....and you give up warranty rights after less time. Obviously I have not put much thought into this, but some sort of change is needed, I believe.
Definitely something to be said about the longevity of smart home products. With both major players having issues, it's difficult to see how a smaller one could survive. Best to stick to the old fashion barbell and bench at home. Thanks for the honest review as always Coop!
Yes Tonal is bigger in the US. But Speediance has shipped to world wide. And setting up official dealerships or sellers in many of these countries. Like India, France, Canada, Indonesia. Tonal is only in the US. So Speediance might become bigger. Who knows.
Such smart home products are different to a dumbell barbell combination. Regarding ''durability'' it's lile comparing an exotic or almost exotic sports car like a Lambo or Ferrari to an off road capable pickup like a Tundra (or the like) and state that the sports cars won't be as durable as the Tundra and will need more care. Yes, obviously, although they are both vehicles they are different, so are these equipment.
How is it better to stay with that? makes no sense to make such a statement. You can get big, strong, fast etc. using only your body, using TRX, using resistance bands, you can get a cheap functional trainer.. A barbell & weights is the most limiting way you can work out. Anything you can do with a barbell, you can more or less, do better with dumbbells. Sure, if we talk heavy deadlifts etc. But that kind of exercises are great on speediance and tonal and if you need to go to the weights of a bodybuilder, when.. then this isn't even your market and/or a homegym market, so it wouldn't matter. Not to mention, most people do not just use 1 thing and why would they.. personally I'm interested in almost all things when it comes to training. I use my TRX a lot, I also use my dumbbells, functional trainer etc. a lot, my barbells also gets used.. but I would MOST DEFINITELY love to try the Speediance as well.. There is no point in limiting yourself.
i have this and i really enjoy it. the eccentric setting is extremely amazing and just that alone makes it well very cool. i got it instead of a functional trainer/ cable crossover so i have free weights etc too. i pretty much only use it for cable type exercises. this alone without anything else is meh though. so my biggest thing was the space saving vs a big cable crossover. if this lasts me several years it was definitivly worth it for me. since i mainly use it for lighter cable work, tricep pushdown, crossovers, curls etc it might work longer than trying to max it out with deadlifts. if they ever go bankrupt i do hope it still can be used, like its android based i belive and even an old tablet will work even though its not getting updates.
I think the problem with most "smart" home gyms is the monthly cost model - Big upfront cost, and the machine has limited function without the app behind it. While it's definitely okay to make products in this category, I think their model doesn't lend itsself to sustainability. If you lower your monthly pricing, you can make more money off of volume. But more importantly - why not make your app and smart features creator/trainer friendly? Make it to where you can have a trainer upload a program or host a course, and they get paid per attendee/viewer, and you can make a commission? Make it so your user base can pay per class (and not have that be a requirement of using the product) or buy a system of credits to use on different programs? You'll make more off the volume, and get more trainers and clients.
Thanks for the honest review, so refreshing! Generally speaking, in a high risk market, big players have more fixed costs and staff and tend to incurr in financial problem sooner than smaller competitors. This is because the smaller you are, the more adaptable and fast to change you stay, which helps riding the bad times.
Thank you for your honest review, forever I’ve been looking for something similar to tonal. I do not need a smart gym I just need a high tech cable machine that is compact and uses the electromagnetic weights for the home. I don’t want to get something very expensive and I see a bunch of locked out or greyed out features. I just want controls to the weights, the spotting stuff is cool but I want something I can just get and use, now or 10 years from now regardless if the company is around. A lot of times that goes to iron plate functional trainers but those are large and heavy. I wish there was just a simple combination of simplicity and no ad model of the traditional trainer and the high tech and compactness of these smart trainers. I guess dumb high tech trainers, lol. Thanks again
thanks coop for another wonderful smart home gym review, I agree with majority of you here, since this machine will need space, why not get yourselves a power tower (pullps, dips etc) and a set of 90lbs adjustable weights which i believe will not even match the cost of this device and you have the freedom to use them without online subscriptions.
Nice review. Like many folks, I'm interested in these devices for two reasons: space and safety (when training alone). I haven't gotten one because of the issue you mentioned regarding the survival of these companies. Compounding this issue--how long will the devices themselves last? Will they last as long as appliances like washing machines and refrigerators or is the expected lifespan more like a laptop? And, if the companies falter, would they become impossible to repair?
There is a good chance this company will survive. China market is huge, they are also going to offer equipment for commercial gyms. This will be another stream of revenue that would help they survive longer. Tonal on the other hand is in serious financial issue. They are prob toast if someone larger doesn’t buy them.
Hey Coop. Can you make a video testing out a bunch of Synergee’s products? They make a lot of budget stuff - safety squat bars, barbells, etc - and I’d like to see your take on their merch.
Hope you can do a review on the new v frame coming soon for Vitruvian. My brother has tonal and lives 100 yards away so I use it all the time but I picked up the Vitruvian trainer+ for me and really like it, but the v frame looks like it's going to be an amazing addition
@@kyles8391there is some info on it, and you can't find demos of it on RUclips if you look hard enough. But yeah, there is no release date or full showcases of it
The rowing part, you should ask them/advice them, that they can simply make an add-on, that you put in the front of the rower (on the tilted part where the mechanism is), that extends the rower, but still keeps it stable. Would literally just be a sturdy plastic or something, add-on. That would be easy to pack and wouldn't be much more expensive for Speediance to produce either.
I was looking into this. Thanks. If you get the chance to review the Apollo Squats/Motion Space fitness foldable Vitruvian style boards, that would be great.
I only have Speediance, but recommend it highly, community is active and growing, new versions bi-weekly. 220lb upper limit leaves room to be desired for power lifters, but for squats etc I just have resigned to increase reps. Best puchase I made last year, Vitruvian seems to work great too, but i do enjoy pull downs and standing pull motions that I wouldn't get from a Vitruvian. Love Vitruvians increased max weight capacity though.
Like the reviewer, I initially thought you couldn't do lat pulldowns either. But then I realized you could just sit on the bench (you'd be doing that regardless), then with the "smart resistance", set the weight load to be on the eccentric motion with the cables set on the platform, rather than the arms up top by the monitor. I think the only crappy thing would be not having the thigh braces on the bench, but if you're lifting yourself at the gym when you load that much weight, you probably need to stick with lower weight or just go with pull-ups until you graduate to the desired weight. Just something for people to think about.
As a renter, Tonal is a non-starter because of how it's attached to the wall. As is how crippled it becomes without a subscription. Speediance addresses both issues. Being able to move the Speediance makes it something I can actually consider. As well as still being pretty functional without the subscription. I ended up ordering one with the lifetime subscription, but as mentioned, if they go under, I can still use it in ways that I'll need.
I want to lose weight (significant amount) while keeping muscle tone to prevent lose skin and to shape/tone my body. I'm not looking to be ripped or have a six pack or look like a fitness model. I want my thin-ish body back (I'm never a stick, don't care to be), but I want to be fairly strong and toned so I look good in clothes. Is this an ideal product to help me lose the weight and have a fit body without being extreme?
Tonal WITHOUT the membership you can do: free lifts, select your attachments, 240+ movement library and see your movement ROM and Power output for data tracking, and adjust your weights
Great video… if you have the Inspire Function trainer cable machine… what smart gym would you add that compliments it well without too many duplicate exercises?
These all seem like a good addition to free weights for accessory movements or maybe something that would be nice in hotel room for an on the fly workout. On most, the weight just isn't enough for things like benching and you can never replace the feeling of moving up to that next plate when you lift.
Given that Speediance and Vitruvian are the only two available offers in Australia (Tonal/Tempo don't sell here) would you recommend the Speediance or the Vitruvian for a beginner? Personally I think the Vitruvian looks better for an experienced weights user but I've never stepped foot in a gym so it would come down to the software for me. So.... Vitruvian or Speediance for the guided workouts?
Do. Review on smart home gyms focused on weight training, more lower body focused. Idk I feel like peeps with tonal have all this upper body muscles however not the same for lower body. Like hip thrusters.
35 years as a personal trainer, and I've been obsessed with the idea of magnetic resistance since I first saw Tonal. I love the idea of being able to isolate the resistance to just the concentric or eccentric, increase the concentric, or adjust the weight to match where you are in the strength curve. And the safety of being able to have no weight until you are in a ready to lift position is a game changer too What I refuse to do is pay a monthly fee. I will not be using any of their programs. I just want the functionality that the magnets provide. This one is great, but I would prefer the more adjustable arms.
Do you know if we can still use it if the company shuts down? Theres lots of competition and the economy sucks, so I dont want buy and then they shutdown and I cant use the machine, thanks!
Awesome review. Appreciate your thorough review and some of the pain points about using it, esp the fact that it can't do lat pulldowns or wide cable flys. I got the rower option for cardio so nice to see you were able to try that out as well. I ordered one earlier this month and it's getting delivered tomorrow. I rent a home so tonal was not an option for me.
@@lukewilliam4087 My quick assessment The good: 1. Small footprint. This was the main reason I got this over any other workout machine/system. It fits in my bedroom next to my king size bed. Enough room to use with the smart handles. 2. Movable. The fact that this is on wheels and I can just move it was also another factor why I bought it. It's heavy, but not too difficult to move if needed. 3. Enough exercises to target all major muscle groups. Pretty amazing in a small package. Most major exercises work well enough. 4. The spotter mode is really nice. I feel comfortable pushing hard to complete a set and not worry too much about injuring myself. There are some caveats (see the bad below). 5. Easy to adjust and set up for different exercises. 6. The rower is a lot better built than I thought. It does provide a decent cardio workout. But the screen does not display a simulated person rowing in the ocean (would be a nice visual). Instead, you will see a trainer performing the row repeatedly. You can get a better stretch if you move the rower back a few inches. 7. Ability to create template workouts specific to what you want. I'm still building out mines for each major muscle group. The Just OK: 1. The accessories was just ok. I like the smart handles, but the rest are just ok built. Not too big an issue. 2. The various workouts are just average. There are many "special" workouts that I will never bother with (badminton workout, really??). 3. The predefined "Programs" are slightly above average. There are a few that I'm still deciding on. Each program can be 1-4 weeks long. Once you pick a program, you can't modify any of the exercises in the program. Would be nice if we could modify an exercise to one you prefer. 4. They list over 200 exercises, but its not well organized. You can filter though. I would prefer being able to sort exercises maybe by most used, etc. 5. Of the over 200 exercises, there are some that are just variations of the same. There are 6 woodchopper exercises (high, med, low, and left/right, which account for 6 exercises). There's still a decent library of exercises. 6. Wish it had lat pulldowns...one of my favorite exercises. there's a variation of it in which you lean forward, but it's not the same. The bad: 1. Not a fan of the skier exercises. 2. I do not do any heavy lifting with the barbell. It's just way too dangerous. 2a. For instance, if you want to do back squats and get in position with the barbell on your shoulders, once you engage the weights, it goes from 0 lbs to what you set very quickly, and if you are not bracing yourself for the weights, you will lose your grip and the barbell will come slamming down onto the platform. Even if you brace yourself, you have to train your body to be ready for that momentum of the digital weights getting added on so fast. It's quite a balancing act and not safe at all. I wasn't even using maximum weights (can't imagine how much tougher it would be). 2b. Same goes for bench presses using the barbell. You have to hold the barbell at the top position, then engage the weights with your thumb. This already puts you in an awkward position on one hand since it's moved off position to press the button, and if you are not ready for the weights, you could have the barbell crashing onto your chest. And don't even think about trying to engage the weights when the bar is sitting on your chest. It will put a ton of pressure on you and you will have a hard time pushing the weights up and off your chest. 2c. I've learned this the hard way...luckily I did not get injured. So I only use the smart handles for heavier weights. I replace all barbell exercises with the smart handles. 2d. Even heavy lifting with the smart handles is difficult. At the max setting, the weights get engaged way to fast, and you have to brace for it. I almost dislocated my right arm when I was trying to do a squat, with my arms up at my shoulders, and when the weights got added, it just came on too quickly, and even though I was ready, I still couldn't brace for the full weight, and my right arm got pulled down really hard in an awkward position. I surely can squat more than 220 lbs, but can't. Overall, it's been fun to use so far. My wife loves it. She was not thrilled about spending almost 3k, but she's enjoying the workouts. As for me, I'm been satisfied, but I would like to see improvements in safety and more engaging workouts.
@@SoCal- I was wondering how the barbell exercises would work with weight loading. They actually just came out with a platform, rather than the full get-up like this is. Looks like it'll hit all the major groups, which is really all I'm looking for, but it's about 1100 to 1400 with a discount and some free accessories thrown in (with lifetime membership). *highly considering it* as we've not been able to hit the gym for nearly a year with my wife just given birth to our first about 7 weeks back. we're now itching to get back into it, but now we have some time constraints, so having something compact and flexible with the exercises in the house we currently occupy (if it were my house we may just as well go with a Smith, but I don't need our son to be fiddling about with 25lbs plates, either), so a reasonably accessible without an outrageous monthly seems the way to go, which very well could be this. Thank you for the exercise experience review of the speediance, that's more along the line of what I'm trying to find.
@@ryanshannon6963 Hi. I didn't realize there was a question for me here. :) The barbell exercises are decent. As I mentioned, I don't do too much heavy lifting, and if I do try, I don't use the barbell (I still have concerns over it crashing onto me). Instead, I use mostly the individual handles, and they act like dumbells instead. So If I do lose grip, it won't crush me if i'm doing a bench press. I saw the Gym Pal they offer. It considered something similar (vitruvian) but felt it didn't offer enough in terms of back exercises, something the Gym Monster has more options for.
I just can not fathom spending thousands on a machine with less utility than a cheap squat rack that will depreciate rapidly and then adding a monthly fee on top. Sounds like Amway for men.
I’ll chime in here as an owner of a pretty built out garage gym and also an owner of a Peloton bike and a Tonal.. In terms of less utility vs a rack, yes and no. The Tonal is a nice addition in that it brings a bunch of cable movements to the table that I can’t easily perform in my garage gym and squat rack setup- I simply don’t have the space for a functional trainer and things like DIY pulleys aren’t nearly as versatile. I still use them but the Tonal hits that need for me better. That said, THE big reason we own a Tonal is that no device has ever gotten my wife to want to do strength training before like this EVER. She’s tried working out in the garage with me, we previously owned a mirror, we have done things like dumbbells and kettlebells for, etc. Nothing has ever stuck like Tonal has. The programming, the visual cues for form correction, the video coaches, the ability to do online group workouts with her friends with Tonal, all of those have made her go from a barre/pilates class junkie to working out at home on a Tonal 4-5x a week. They’ve nailed the market segment of making strength training at home feel approachable and non intimidating. Dudes who squat, bench, dead, press heavy and own a rack just aren’t their target demographic. And I think that’s great! My wife now enjoys strength training, and when we’ve been away from home on vacation, she’s now more keen (and capable) of working out in a more traditional gym setting. re: Peloton, I’m of mixed feelings of if the subscription costs are merited- yes, there are comparable spin bikes for MUCH cheaper, let alone the monthly costs tacked on. But having owned ours for years, there’s just no comparable experience in the market in terms of the sheer size of the library of instructor led classes or the experience of doing live rides, particularly with friends. Peloton does an excellent job of community building and leveraging that as a means toward habit building that I think is overall net positive. Worth the costs and rising monthly costs, there’s where I’m 50/50. I probably am now (just) in the not worth camp, but for my friends who are avid avid riders now who spend 8, 10 hours a week on their bikes or treads, I fully understand why they do and why it’s worth for them. I’m just now outside the target audience as resistance training is my main focus vs endurance. A Peloton owned Tonal experience with both being a single ecosystem would be ideal, but I suspect that Peloton’s financials aren’t in a position where that is a feasible option. One could dream though. TL;DR: smart gyms and connected home fitness equipment def serve a purpose and an audience. It’s just not one and the same as the audience that is debating the merits of 5/8s vs 1” hole sizing in their power racks or the nuance of metric vs imperial “3x3” post sizes. 😅
@@djbakasan LOL, you go on and on. I stopped reading after the second sentence. I'm 63 and I'm 5'10 180 and still pump iron and squat. All of that useless stuff you went on and on about is unnecessary.
@@jackbean7195That’s great. I’m nearing my 50s and in my 60s I intend to still be pumping iron as well! Your view proves my point- the things you view as important, a ton of people have no desire to do or are intimidated to do or lack the space, whatever the reason. The things you view as unnecessary are the things that might compel some of them to actually get stronger. More people, especially Americans, need to stop living sedentary lives and get stronger. If it takes magnets and screens to get them to do it, then awesome. Happy wife, happy life, I want my wife to “let” me upgrade my rack to Rep Ares so I can do all the cable stuff in my space and leave the Tonal to her :P
Just found your channel and appreciate your detailed reviews. Would love to hear your take on Oxefit, seems like the best built smart home gym, but this one peeks my interest being half the price!
I can do more with my power rack, barbells and dumbbells. More space is true, but if I have the space, I stick with dumb gyms. Also, I have strap safeties inside the rack and safety spotter arms outside the rack.
I just say from connectthewatts Speediance has new machine same basic design but bigger screen and gives you multiple points on bar to put Bluetooth connectivity thing which was big complaint from some users. Looks like they'll be selling OG one and new one with bigger screen and reengineered accessories.
How much weight do we want to have in these systems? The max is 200 for tonal and 220 Speediance combined, but what do we want to have for squats for the normal Gym goer that has ambitions for an aesthetic 200-220 muscular body at 12-15% body fat? Yeah, that was kinda specific.
Coop could you compare how these smart gyms are at helping you ensure your form is correct? For example I like the Tempo because it says it can use the camera to check your form.
I have a Tonal, and I’ll tell you that the machine awesome! The shipping has improved I got mine within 2 weeks. The Tonal is not cheap and not for everyone, but if you can afford it I definitely recommend it.
Speedience is also going to be bigger in China. So it might survive because it could become number one in that market and other Asian pacific countries.
I wanted to purchase this, but what happens if they go out of business. Just like you said. Does the machine just become useless? Great review! Much appreciated
Speediance is actually Chinese. I thought that was bad at first but on the other hand that means that the parts will likely be accessible after, because speediance becomes very popular in China that is their biggest market. Speediance seems more like a "open-source" machine vs tonal. Tonal folks are control freaks that may brick your device if you resell or buy used. Tonal is available only on a few markets mostly because of their installation requirements, Speediance is spreading much quicker through retailers (e.g. they're already in Canada and Australia, while Tonal never got to both countries). And why do you think that Tonal and Peleton struggle financially right now? Because they were pioneers in their fields, but now there is a lot of competitors at same or better service and for less. Both Tonal and Peleton pricing seemed ridicoulous to me when I first saw them. When I first saw Tonal I thought "this is effing brilliant, I want one!". Then I saw the pricing and I thought "naaaah, I'll stick to free weights". And I'm not a low income earner, believe me. Both Peleton and Tonal boomed during covid because there was no alternative and people had too much cash to spend, they grew to large companies, and now they are being slowly eaten chunk by chunk by their competition that is simply better. All things considered, speediance seemed better to me. I pulled the trigger, I should get it within a week. No membership costs. I calculated that if I get 5yrs out of it, it will cost me 50% of what I'd have paid for a gym membership for me and my wife (we used to pay CA$120/month so $7200 for 5 years, while speediance costed us CA$4000 with lifetime membership). It's a good way to start your journey with magnetic smart weighs. In 5 years there will likely be other better machines that you'll want anyway. P.S. I was actually surprised but Speediance is to be offered in a commercial setting too at commercial gyms. They already have the machines ready. They also manufacture traditional gym equipment offered commercially. That seems like a stable business model.
Doesn't seem like a bad option. I'm wondering does it have a good partner mode? My wife and I work out together 100% of the time so the seamless partner mode that Tonal has is unlike anything else we've used.
I would love this if it went higher in resistance. Its just not enough for most males. Same issue I have with Tonal. Virtuvian feels like the smart home winner just based on resistance
Tonal almost killed me. Wouldn’t get under the bar on any of these “smart” machines in case the spotter mode fails. However the pivoting screen is pretty cool for pressing.
I feel like we are at the very early stages of smart home gym equipment, I know itll get better but right now what’s being offered isn’t that unique so ima stick with a half rack and cables
Can you suggest a 'dumb' tonner... need cables and maybe magnetic resistance without the monitor and smart stuff just magnetic resistance with cables for under $400
I wanna see a review of average joe innovations knurled stainless handles and metal replacement components for the bowflex dumbells so they don't suck.
Iron, lasts 50 plus years (easily), never goes out of style, everyone can use in whatever environment, buy once, cry once "smart" gyms, cost just as much money, only last as long as the electronics (so, 5 to 7 years? ) and has to be replaced/fixed as the company goes bust/parts become unavailable. Just a rental. Might as well just join a gym at that point.
As I moved north of 40, I use free weights less frequently due to risk of injury. Machines and functional trainers make up the most of my gym time. For a home option, the size and convenience of these over plates is massive.
@@balboa0621 I got a dumb home gym and I love all the metal weights, the barbell knurl, its just immensely satisfying to workout with. But I basically need a whole (basement) room for it it's noisy and everything is bulky and god damn heavy. Those smart gyms are far more convenient, take up less space and are a lot safer to use. If you are living in a flat for example it should be the prefect product. But 4.5k + 60 monthly for tonal... That's a gym membership at a not too shabby gym plus a massive upfront cost. Even for 30 monthly like this one you can get a gym membership at a clean gym with a decent selection of machines (in my area at least). I can see why these companies aren't doing to well post pandemic. You don't really save any money compared to a gym membership and have to wager convenience against the quite limited range of exercises you can do with these smart gyms. Plus if something brakes its your problem, not some guy at the gym that takes care of it all for no added cost to you. I personally think the future will be smart home gyms, sensors/cameras to track your lifting speed, power output and form will be like a free personal trainer + spotter and everything with less injury risk and neatly out of the way when you don't use it. At this point though I don't see the value. I'd get a gym membership over one of these machines every time.
@@freedomrings1420 good for you. For me, the risk of injury outweighs the benefits of lifting free weights vs other forms of strength training. I certainly wouldn't put hundreds of pounds on my shoulders with the weight compressing my spine anymore. For me, the risks outweigh the benefits. Stay healthy, my friend.
@@balboa0621 But that doesn't really apply to what I said. There are plenty of "non-smart" machines home gyms that won't wear out/break besides some pulleys and cables (easy enough to replace) that don't take up much room either. (they do weigh more of course). They don't have have useless electronics that will rapidly age and not work and be irreplaceable and/or require some subscription to the company to "rent it" for ever.
Been waiting for this one. I want digital weights, but have no interest in subscriptions. Also, the ability to move the weight from vertical to horizontal is fantastic. I’m more interested in comparing this vs vitruvian rather than tonal. I’m still unclear about vitruvian’s use without membership. In theory, this will still work fine if the company goes under, right? Unless the hardware breaks, it should retain full functionality unlike tonal. I don’t know where vitruvian falls on that spectrum
You have the added risk of software breaks as well since the software would never get another update at that point. But yeah I think for us folks that mostly use barbells and like the idea of smart gyms but don't need the programming, this one seems interesting.
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Is your data on this equipment saved on the unit or on this Chinese company's servers?
god damn, I know tonal and these other companies are in their right to charge these memberships but honestly if they didn't completely gut the machine and just charged a more for the machine itself I would totally buy one. Give me a tonal for $10,000 without all that membership crap and I guarantee it'd still sell well
Looks cool. I have a functional trainer that does about the same thing without the smart features. Comparing the two, it seems like this unit has a place in the market place.
What do u have Steve? I love this setup but don’t care/need the smart features. I’m close to going w Unitree pump but it also requires an app & changing the setups for diff exercises
A NOTE ON THE MEMBERSHIP!
Currently, if you were to purchase the Speediance Equipment Monster, they are offering a lifetime free membership!
Yeah, they added that after we shot our review. Huge benefit as that can add up quick! - Coop
Good and bad. Good that it's free, bad that it kinda confirms Coop's concerns about longetivity. If you throw away your subscription business model just to sell the hardware, you likely really want that hardware gone.
@@rjm656 Definitely don't disagree, but it could also be a way to get their product out there early for company that has some stiff competition. Acknowledging that, financially, you may be at more of a loss at the beginning of the business to setting yourself up for long term success isn't always a bad move.
If it gets more buyers at the door now, it then guarantees more exposure for a market that is currently oversaturated with subscription type products.
Can you do a review on Oxefit XS1 or XP1?
Wouldn’t that then future proof it? The fact you can use it without a membership I think lends itself to longevity if the company fails. Kinda think coop did a disservice to spin it the other way.
I have a Tonal at home. I've had it for over three years and had one issue with it. It was a bit of a hassle but it was ultimately settled to my satisfaction. As to the experience, it's bolted to the wall and won't move, but it's in my workout room and I have no need or desire to move it unless I relocate. And if I do that, moving the Tonal will be the least of my worries. It's an excellent device, the articulating arms give you every position and angle for any exercise. Then I have a Speediace Gym Monster in my office - I work out during lunch during the week. It does have shortcomings with respect to the positions that can be achieved, as you point out but, for the use I got it for, it's fine. I agree that the Speediance is much more useful without a membership than is the Tonal. I don't use any of the studio workouts on either machine, I program custom workouts for the Tonal and mostly just use the Free mode on the Speediance. Sadly, I also have a Vitruvian Pro + and have had problems with it. the attachments have gotten stuck twice and can't be unstuck. When it's working, I like the Vitruvian, I can drag it into the bedroom or living room and watch TV while I work out. The worst part of Vitruvian (other than it breaking) is that you literally can do nothing with it other than through the app, which is ridiculous. Conclusion: I've spent too much money!
Which do you like best if you could only have 1. Most of us can't afford 3 lol
@@KA-x2 Definitely the Tonal. It's smoother, the variety of arm positions is much better, it's more stable.
This must be a paid review
@@actualGolem I wish 😕
@@actualGolemyea, he has paid a lot!
I agree with Kai Anthony’s comment. I purchased a set of PowerBlock Dumbbells and a used Olympic bar with 300 lbs. of plates in 1997 that I am still using to this day. I’ve gone through a couple of adjustable benches and eventually broke down and bought a power rack with spotter arms and a row/pulldown attachment. I added up all I’ve spent over the years and I still have less than $1000 in it. You just can’t beat the durability or effectiveness of free weight equipment.
Not to diminish what you're saying, but you're not going to be buying much in free weights with only $1k in 2024... Bidenomics unfortunately
Just wanted to say I always hate reviews that people give but this felt so honest and genuine. I’m decent at reading someone trying to persuade me but I could just tell that this was an honest review. Props to you I’m subbing!
Hopefully this will force tonal to be more price competitive, and add subscriptions tiers. This is good news for the consumer to get another option. As a tonal user I hate paying the subscription fee
I like the tonal without all the damn programs and “trainers” and subscription. I’d like to set up my own weights, do my own sets.
Smart gym memberships could make sense if they also included a vastly extended warranty (this one is two years?! for $2,500?), a lifetime warranty, or guaranteed pathway to upgrades for heavy discounts... something.
Pay towards the membership since day one and you're covered -- or don't pay any additional membership, have full functionality available at launch and limited essential upgrades, but maybe not classes....and you give up warranty rights after less time.
Obviously I have not put much thought into this, but some sort of change is needed, I believe.
Definitely something to be said about the longevity of smart home products. With both major players having issues, it's difficult to see how a smaller one could survive. Best to stick to the old fashion barbell and bench at home. Thanks for the honest review as always Coop!
Yes Tonal is bigger in the US. But Speediance has shipped to world wide. And setting up official dealerships or sellers in many of these countries. Like India, France, Canada, Indonesia. Tonal is only in the US. So Speediance might become bigger. Who knows.
That and the cost is just crazy for what you get. $3-4k gets you a rack with integrated cables and lasts forever.
Such smart home products are different to a dumbell barbell combination.
Regarding ''durability'' it's lile comparing an exotic or almost exotic sports car like a Lambo or Ferrari to an off road capable pickup like a Tundra (or the like) and state that the sports cars won't be as durable as the Tundra and will need more care. Yes, obviously, although they are both vehicles they are different, so are these equipment.
@@rjm656you get a modern device that can challenge you without having to adjust weight as it does it for you.
How is it better to stay with that? makes no sense to make such a statement. You can get big, strong, fast etc. using only your body, using TRX, using resistance bands, you can get a cheap functional trainer.. A barbell & weights is the most limiting way you can work out. Anything you can do with a barbell, you can more or less, do better with dumbbells. Sure, if we talk heavy deadlifts etc. But that kind of exercises are great on speediance and tonal and if you need to go to the weights of a bodybuilder, when.. then this isn't even your market and/or a homegym market, so it wouldn't matter.
Not to mention, most people do not just use 1 thing and why would they.. personally I'm interested in almost all things when it comes to training. I use my TRX a lot, I also use my dumbbells, functional trainer etc. a lot, my barbells also gets used.. but I would MOST DEFINITELY love to try the Speediance as well..
There is no point in limiting yourself.
i have this and i really enjoy it. the eccentric setting is extremely amazing and just that alone makes it well very cool. i got it instead of a functional trainer/ cable crossover so i have free weights etc too. i pretty much only use it for cable type exercises. this alone without anything else is meh though. so my biggest thing was the space saving vs a big cable crossover.
if this lasts me several years it was definitivly worth it for me. since i mainly use it for lighter cable work, tricep pushdown, crossovers, curls etc it might work longer than trying to max it out with deadlifts. if they ever go bankrupt i do hope it still can be used, like its android based i belive and even an old tablet will work even though its not getting updates.
I think the problem with most "smart" home gyms is the monthly cost model - Big upfront cost, and the machine has limited function without the app behind it. While it's definitely okay to make products in this category, I think their model doesn't lend itsself to sustainability. If you lower your monthly pricing, you can make more money off of volume. But more importantly - why not make your app and smart features creator/trainer friendly? Make it to where you can have a trainer upload a program or host a course, and they get paid per attendee/viewer, and you can make a commission? Make it so your user base can pay per class (and not have that be a requirement of using the product) or buy a system of credits to use on different programs?
You'll make more off the volume, and get more trainers and clients.
Simple upgrade option in the future - make it taller and add an option to put in a leg roller to be hold you in position for lat pulldowns.
Or swing out arms, to do wider chest fly workout!
i think you could brace your bench to the platform. and it wouldnt be too hard to add a 2x4 to hold on your bench.
@@boblatouche2273great point but for $3k, should you have to screw a 2x4 to it?
Thanks for the honest review, so refreshing! Generally speaking, in a high risk market, big players have more fixed costs and staff and tend to incurr in financial problem sooner than smaller competitors. This is because the smaller you are, the more adaptable and fast to change you stay, which helps riding the bad times.
I literally waited for your review before considering this machine. Great work Coop!
Did you end up buying it after this review? If you did, whats your thoughts?
The best home gym review channel, by a long shot! Good stuff, Coop! 💪🏋️
In addition to the Oxefit XS1, would love to see a review of the Gymera Smart home gym.
I don't think Gymera made it to production and left a lot of people hanging on Kickstarter
So helpful - thank you!
Thank you for your honest review, forever I’ve been looking for something similar to tonal. I do not need a smart gym I just need a high tech cable machine that is compact and uses the electromagnetic weights for the home. I don’t want to get something very expensive and I see a bunch of locked out or greyed out features. I just want controls to the weights, the spotting stuff is cool but I want something I can just get and use, now or 10 years from now regardless if the company is around. A lot of times that goes to iron plate functional trainers but those are large and heavy. I wish there was just a simple combination of simplicity and no ad model of the traditional trainer and the high tech and compactness of these smart trainers. I guess dumb high tech trainers, lol. Thanks again
I agree 100% with you.
Did you find any device that did suit your needs?
There is a free lifetime membership now, that is sort of a game changer
I’m glad you did this one because I was about to invest in a tonal
thanks coop for another wonderful smart home gym review, I agree with majority of you here, since this machine will need space, why not get yourselves a power tower (pullps, dips etc) and a set of 90lbs adjustable weights which i believe will not even match the cost of this device and you have the freedom to use them without online subscriptions.
Nice review. Like many folks, I'm interested in these devices for two reasons: space and safety (when training alone). I haven't gotten one because of the issue you mentioned regarding the survival of these companies. Compounding this issue--how long will the devices themselves last? Will they last as long as appliances like washing machines and refrigerators or is the expected lifespan more like a laptop? And, if the companies falter, would they become impossible to repair?
There is a good chance this company will survive. China market is huge, they are also going to offer equipment for commercial gyms. This will be another stream of revenue that would help they survive longer. Tonal on the other hand is in serious financial issue. They are prob toast if someone larger doesn’t buy them.
Hey Coop. Can you make a video testing out a bunch of Synergee’s products? They make a lot of budget stuff - safety squat bars, barbells, etc - and I’d like to see your take on their merch.
Coop doing amazing work! Thank you!
Hope you can do a review on the new v frame coming soon for Vitruvian. My brother has tonal and lives 100 yards away so I use it all the time but I picked up the Vitruvian trainer+ for me and really like it, but the v frame looks like it's going to be an amazing addition
I've set to see anything on a V frame and you posted this 7 months ago
@@kyles8391there is some info on it, and you can't find demos of it on RUclips if you look hard enough. But yeah, there is no release date or full showcases of it
@@kyles8391apparently the CEO has since stated that the V-frame has been axed as it would be far too costly
Found your channel this year, found out I needed a rogue echo bike, rep open trap bar, kaz handles, reverse hyper and the list grows.....thx
Yeah we all have less money because of Coop 😂
The rowing part, you should ask them/advice them, that they can simply make an add-on, that you put in the front of the rower (on the tilted part where the mechanism is), that extends the rower, but still keeps it stable. Would literally just be a sturdy plastic or something, add-on. That would be easy to pack and wouldn't be much more expensive for Speediance to produce either.
Would love to see an Oxefit XS1 review
I was looking into this. Thanks. If you get the chance to review the Apollo Squats/Motion Space fitness foldable Vitruvian style boards, that would be great.
Would you recommend the speediance or vitruvian?
I only have Speediance, but recommend it highly, community is active and growing, new versions bi-weekly. 220lb upper limit leaves room to be desired for power lifters, but for squats etc I just have resigned to increase reps. Best puchase I made last year, Vitruvian seems to work great too, but i do enjoy pull downs and standing pull motions that I wouldn't get from a Vitruvian. Love Vitruvians increased max weight capacity though.
Like the reviewer, I initially thought you couldn't do lat pulldowns either. But then I realized you could just sit on the bench (you'd be doing that regardless), then with the "smart resistance", set the weight load to be on the eccentric motion with the cables set on the platform, rather than the arms up top by the monitor. I think the only crappy thing would be not having the thigh braces on the bench, but if you're lifting yourself at the gym when you load that much weight, you probably need to stick with lower weight or just go with pull-ups until you graduate to the desired weight.
Just something for people to think about.
As a renter, Tonal is a non-starter because of how it's attached to the wall. As is how crippled it becomes without a subscription.
Speediance addresses both issues. Being able to move the Speediance makes it something I can actually consider. As well as still being pretty functional without the subscription.
I ended up ordering one with the lifetime subscription, but as mentioned, if they go under, I can still use it in ways that I'll need.
Have you used it yet? I’m curious on how long the shipping takes. Please update!
@@christinacurto7508 I've heard it takes over a month. So I still have at least a week or two. I won't really know until it ships.
Thanks for an awesome review❤
I want to lose weight (significant amount) while keeping muscle tone to prevent lose skin and to shape/tone my body. I'm not looking to be ripped or have a six pack or look like a fitness model. I want my thin-ish body back (I'm never a stick, don't care to be), but I want to be fairly strong and toned so I look good in clothes. Is this an ideal product to help me lose the weight and have a fit body without being extreme?
They are offering free lifetime membership if buy now. I think I am going get one over rest.
Did you end up getting one?
We need a Functional Trainer or Freemotion alike with Magnetic Resistance, cheaper obviously, I don't care about the screens.
I'd like to see it integrate with an app on my phone, tracking my resistance, settings, etc.
I would love to see you guys review the Oxefit XS1. Seems like it would be an interesting competitor to tonal.
Tonal WITHOUT the membership you can do: free lifts, select your attachments, 240+ movement library and see your movement ROM and Power output for data tracking, and adjust your weights
Great video… if you have the Inspire Function trainer cable machine… what smart gym would you add that compliments it well without too many duplicate exercises?
Have you done Oxefit yet? I don't see it on your channel but I'm curious
These all seem like a good addition to free weights for accessory movements or maybe something that would be nice in hotel room for an on the fly workout. On most, the weight just isn't enough for things like benching and you can never replace the feeling of moving up to that next plate when you lift.
Given that Speediance and Vitruvian are the only two available offers in Australia (Tonal/Tempo don't sell here) would you recommend the Speediance or the Vitruvian for a beginner? Personally I think the Vitruvian looks better for an experienced weights user but I've never stepped foot in a gym so it would come down to the software for me. So.... Vitruvian or Speediance for the guided workouts?
Do. Review on smart home gyms focused on weight training, more lower body focused. Idk I feel like peeps with tonal have all this upper body muscles however not the same for lower body. Like hip thrusters.
Let's get one on the OxeFit XS1! Would love to see how it compares to Tonal and Speediance
What machine do you recommend. Thank you
35 years as a personal trainer, and I've been obsessed with the idea of magnetic resistance since I first saw Tonal. I love the idea of being able to isolate the resistance to just the concentric or eccentric, increase the concentric, or adjust the weight to match where you are in the strength curve. And the safety of being able to have no weight until you are in a ready to lift position is a game changer too
What I refuse to do is pay a monthly fee. I will not be using any of their programs. I just want the functionality that the magnets provide.
This one is great, but I would prefer the more adjustable arms.
Squatz apollo board and unitree pumps are good alternatives with no subscription needed
Do you know if we can still use it if the company shuts down? Theres lots of competition and the economy sucks, so I dont want buy and then they shutdown and I cant use the machine, thanks!
Did you not experience a crazy delay with delivery? Is this just normal these items takes months to be shipped after purchasing?
Life before 2-day delivery that many people are expecting took weeks and sometimes months.
I'd rather have a Speediance than a Tonal. The pluses outweigh the minuses.
Love the review. I hate how these companies "lock-in" the user with these lifetime membership fees. 😒
Awesome content. A lot of useful insights and information on the product. Dude, you should start a RUclips channel ! 😄
Coop, what do you think about this machine vs a Voltra?
please put links to the reviews of the other smart gyms in the video so i can watch them!!
Awesome review. Appreciate your thorough review and some of the pain points about using it, esp the fact that it can't do lat pulldowns or wide cable flys. I got the rower option for cardio so nice to see you were able to try that out as well.
I ordered one earlier this month and it's getting delivered tomorrow. I rent a home so tonal was not an option for me.
any thoughts after using it for the first few days?
@@lukewilliam4087 My quick assessment
The good:
1. Small footprint. This was the main reason I got this over any other workout machine/system. It fits in my bedroom next to my king size bed. Enough room to use with the smart handles.
2. Movable. The fact that this is on wheels and I can just move it was also another factor why I bought it. It's heavy, but not too difficult to move if needed.
3. Enough exercises to target all major muscle groups. Pretty amazing in a small package. Most major exercises work well enough.
4. The spotter mode is really nice. I feel comfortable pushing hard to complete a set and not worry too much about injuring myself. There are some caveats (see the bad below).
5. Easy to adjust and set up for different exercises.
6. The rower is a lot better built than I thought. It does provide a decent cardio workout. But the screen does not display a simulated person rowing in the ocean (would be a nice visual). Instead, you will see a trainer performing the row repeatedly. You can get a better stretch if you move the rower back a few inches.
7. Ability to create template workouts specific to what you want. I'm still building out mines for each major muscle group.
The Just OK:
1. The accessories was just ok. I like the smart handles, but the rest are just ok built. Not too big an issue.
2. The various workouts are just average. There are many "special" workouts that I will never bother with (badminton workout, really??).
3. The predefined "Programs" are slightly above average. There are a few that I'm still deciding on. Each program can be 1-4 weeks long. Once you pick a program, you can't modify any of the exercises in the program. Would be nice if we could modify an exercise to one you prefer.
4. They list over 200 exercises, but its not well organized. You can filter though. I would prefer being able to sort exercises maybe by most used, etc.
5. Of the over 200 exercises, there are some that are just variations of the same. There are 6 woodchopper exercises (high, med, low, and left/right, which account for 6 exercises). There's still a decent library of exercises.
6. Wish it had lat pulldowns...one of my favorite exercises. there's a variation of it in which you lean forward, but it's not the same.
The bad:
1. Not a fan of the skier exercises.
2. I do not do any heavy lifting with the barbell. It's just way too dangerous.
2a. For instance, if you want to do back squats and get in position with the barbell on your shoulders, once you engage the weights, it goes from 0 lbs to what you set very quickly, and if you are not bracing yourself for the weights, you will lose your grip and the barbell will come slamming down onto the platform. Even if you brace yourself, you have to train your body to be ready for that momentum of the digital weights getting added on so fast. It's quite a balancing act and not safe at all. I wasn't even using maximum weights (can't imagine how much tougher it would be).
2b. Same goes for bench presses using the barbell. You have to hold the barbell at the top position, then engage the weights with your thumb. This already puts you in an awkward position on one hand since it's moved off position to press the button, and if you are not ready for the weights, you could have the barbell crashing onto your chest. And don't even think about trying to engage the weights when the bar is sitting on your chest. It will put a ton of pressure on you and you will have a hard time pushing the weights up and off your chest.
2c. I've learned this the hard way...luckily I did not get injured. So I only use the smart handles for heavier weights. I replace all barbell exercises with the smart handles.
2d. Even heavy lifting with the smart handles is difficult. At the max setting, the weights get engaged way to fast, and you have to brace for it. I almost dislocated my right arm when I was trying to do a squat, with my arms up at my shoulders, and when the weights got added, it just came on too quickly, and even though I was ready, I still couldn't brace for the full weight, and my right arm got pulled down really hard in an awkward position. I surely can squat more than 220 lbs, but can't.
Overall, it's been fun to use so far. My wife loves it. She was not thrilled about spending almost 3k, but she's enjoying the workouts. As for me, I'm been satisfied, but I would like to see improvements in safety and more engaging workouts.
@@SoCal- I was wondering how the barbell exercises would work with weight loading. They actually just came out with a platform, rather than the full get-up like this is. Looks like it'll hit all the major groups, which is really all I'm looking for, but it's about 1100 to 1400 with a discount and some free accessories thrown in (with lifetime membership). *highly considering it* as we've not been able to hit the gym for nearly a year with my wife just given birth to our first about 7 weeks back. we're now itching to get back into it, but now we have some time constraints, so having something compact and flexible with the exercises in the house we currently occupy (if it were my house we may just as well go with a Smith, but I don't need our son to be fiddling about with 25lbs plates, either), so a reasonably accessible without an outrageous monthly seems the way to go, which very well could be this.
Thank you for the exercise experience review of the speediance, that's more along the line of what I'm trying to find.
7 months in and how do you like it?
@@ryanshannon6963 Hi. I didn't realize there was a question for me here. :) The barbell exercises are decent. As I mentioned, I don't do too much heavy lifting, and if I do try, I don't use the barbell (I still have concerns over it crashing onto me). Instead, I use mostly the individual handles, and they act like dumbells instead. So If I do lose grip, it won't crush me if i'm doing a bench press.
I saw the Gym Pal they offer. It considered something similar (vitruvian) but felt it didn't offer enough in terms of back exercises, something the Gym Monster has more options for.
I just can not fathom spending thousands on a machine with less utility than a cheap squat rack that will depreciate rapidly and then adding a monthly fee on top. Sounds like Amway for men.
Or peloton 😂
I’ll chime in here as an owner of a pretty built out garage gym and also an owner of a Peloton bike and a Tonal..
In terms of less utility vs a rack, yes and no. The Tonal is a nice addition in that it brings a bunch of cable movements to the table that I can’t easily perform in my garage gym and squat rack setup- I simply don’t have the space for a functional trainer and things like DIY pulleys aren’t nearly as versatile. I still use them but the Tonal hits that need for me better. That said, THE big reason we own a Tonal is that no device has ever gotten my wife to want to do strength training before like this EVER. She’s tried working out in the garage with me, we previously owned a mirror, we have done things like dumbbells and kettlebells for, etc. Nothing has ever stuck like Tonal has. The programming, the visual cues for form correction, the video coaches, the ability to do online group workouts with her friends with Tonal, all of those have made her go from a barre/pilates class junkie to working out at home on a Tonal 4-5x a week. They’ve nailed the market segment of making strength training at home feel approachable and non intimidating. Dudes who squat, bench, dead, press heavy and own a rack just aren’t their target demographic. And I think that’s great! My wife now enjoys strength training, and when we’ve been away from home on vacation, she’s now more keen (and capable) of working out in a more traditional gym setting.
re: Peloton, I’m of mixed feelings of if the subscription costs are merited- yes, there are comparable spin bikes for MUCH cheaper, let alone the monthly costs tacked on. But having owned ours for years, there’s just no comparable experience in the market in terms of the sheer size of the library of instructor led classes or the experience of doing live rides, particularly with friends. Peloton does an excellent job of community building and leveraging that as a means toward habit building that I think is overall net positive. Worth the costs and rising monthly costs, there’s where I’m 50/50. I probably am now (just) in the not worth camp, but for my friends who are avid avid riders now who spend 8, 10 hours a week on their bikes or treads, I fully understand why they do and why it’s worth for them. I’m just now outside the target audience as resistance training is my main focus vs endurance.
A Peloton owned Tonal experience with both being a single ecosystem would be ideal, but I suspect that Peloton’s financials aren’t in a position where that is a feasible option. One could dream though.
TL;DR: smart gyms and connected home fitness equipment def serve a purpose and an audience. It’s just not one and the same as the audience that is debating the merits of 5/8s vs 1” hole sizing in their power racks or the nuance of metric vs imperial “3x3” post sizes. 😅
@@djbakasan LOL, you go on and on. I stopped reading after the second sentence. I'm 63 and I'm 5'10 180 and still pump iron and squat. All of that useless stuff you went on and on about is unnecessary.
@@jackbean7195 people are different and likes different stuff. LOL
@@jackbean7195That’s great. I’m nearing my 50s and in my 60s I intend to still be pumping iron as well! Your view proves my point- the things you view as important, a ton of people have no desire to do or are intimidated to do or lack the space, whatever the reason. The things you view as unnecessary are the things that might compel some of them to actually get stronger.
More people, especially Americans, need to stop living sedentary lives and get stronger. If it takes magnets and screens to get them to do it, then awesome. Happy wife, happy life, I want my wife to “let” me upgrade my rack to Rep Ares so I can do all the cable stuff in my space and leave the Tonal to her :P
wish it had double the electronic weight per side and the unit was wider and longer platform
For me, not installing it on a wall is preferable, actually necessary.
Just found your channel and appreciate your detailed reviews. Would love to hear your take on Oxefit, seems like the best built smart home gym, but this one peeks my interest being half the price!
Same! I was just looking into the Oxefit and then GGR posts this video 😂.
The commission part is what concerns me. This company seems very aggressive with getting reviews and purchases.
I can do more with my power rack, barbells and dumbbells. More space is true, but if I have the space, I stick with dumb gyms. Also, I have strap safeties inside the rack and safety spotter arms outside the rack.
hi
can you add more feedback after one year ( since this video )
Out of all three which has the smoothest pull or movement?
I just say from connectthewatts Speediance has new machine same basic design but bigger screen and gives you multiple points on bar to put Bluetooth connectivity thing which was big complaint from some users. Looks like they'll be selling OG one and new one with bigger screen and reengineered accessories.
They said that will be more for the commercial space.
Will you be doing a review on the oxefit in the future?
Coop! What is the name of the mic around your neck?
Coop doin Gods work out here…. 👊
How much weight do we want to have in these systems? The max is 200 for tonal and 220 Speediance combined, but what do we want to have for squats for the normal Gym goer that has ambitions for an aesthetic 200-220 muscular body at 12-15% body fat?
Yeah, that was kinda specific.
so how about the new model? is it better tho?
HOLA, se puede utilizar el aparato libre sin membresia? gracias
Coop could you compare how these smart gyms are at helping you ensure your form is correct? For example I like the Tempo because it says it can use the camera to check your form.
I have a Tonal, and I’ll tell you that the machine awesome! The shipping has improved I got mine within 2 weeks. The Tonal is not cheap and not for everyone, but if you can afford it I definitely recommend it.
Speedience is also going to be bigger in China. So it might survive because it could become number one in that market and other Asian pacific countries.
I wanted to purchase this, but what happens if they go out of business. Just like you said. Does the machine just become useless? Great review! Much appreciated
Speediance is actually Chinese. I thought that was bad at first but on the other hand that means that the parts will likely be accessible after, because speediance becomes very popular in China that is their biggest market. Speediance seems more like a "open-source" machine vs tonal. Tonal folks are control freaks that may brick your device if you resell or buy used. Tonal is available only on a few markets mostly because of their installation requirements, Speediance is spreading much quicker through retailers (e.g. they're already in Canada and Australia, while Tonal never got to both countries). And why do you think that Tonal and Peleton struggle financially right now? Because they were pioneers in their fields, but now there is a lot of competitors at same or better service and for less. Both Tonal and Peleton pricing seemed ridicoulous to me when I first saw them. When I first saw Tonal I thought "this is effing brilliant, I want one!". Then I saw the pricing and I thought "naaaah, I'll stick to free weights". And I'm not a low income earner, believe me. Both Peleton and Tonal boomed during covid because there was no alternative and people had too much cash to spend, they grew to large companies, and now they are being slowly eaten chunk by chunk by their competition that is simply better. All things considered, speediance seemed better to me. I pulled the trigger, I should get it within a week. No membership costs. I calculated that if I get 5yrs out of it, it will cost me 50% of what I'd have paid for a gym membership for me and my wife (we used to pay CA$120/month so $7200 for 5 years, while speediance costed us CA$4000 with lifetime membership). It's a good way to start your journey with magnetic smart weighs. In 5 years there will likely be other better machines that you'll want anyway.
P.S. I was actually surprised but Speediance is to be offered in a commercial setting too at commercial gyms. They already have the machines ready. They also manufacture traditional gym equipment offered commercially. That seems like a stable business model.
@@MrDomestosWC thanks for the response!
have you reviewed Oxefit XS1? I was not able to find your video if you did.
does anyone know does the eccentric mode only work in the free lift mode
Doesn't seem like a bad option. I'm wondering does it have a good partner mode? My wife and I work out together 100% of the time so the seamless partner mode that Tonal has is unlike anything else we've used.
@@PalomaresChery Tonal does or the Speediance has a good partner mood?
Can you review SPEEDE?
Coop! Sick sweatshirt- where do I get that?>
a smart gym that has voice commands,would be the best for variety and safety
I would love this if it went higher in resistance. Its just not enough for most males. Same issue I have with Tonal. Virtuvian feels like the smart home winner just based on resistance
Can you review the Nordictrack Fusion CST?
Looks like they currently have a free lifetime membership, which is huge
Have you done a review on the oxfit?
I like this, wish they had a lower price model like $1500 then sell classes and or workout options and there is the how long will it last option.
Did you ever reviewed the Oxefit ?
Any chance you could review the Speede Challenger/Pro by Speede Fitness?
Have you looked at the oxefit?
Coop please do a review on Wolfmate fitness equipment. It's a company in Canada and have smart gym too. Thanks 👍
does the program need monthly subscriptions?
Free lifetime membership right now
Tonal almost killed me. Wouldn’t get under the bar on any of these “smart” machines in case the spotter mode fails. However the pivoting screen is pretty cool for pressing.
I feel like we are at the very early stages of smart home gym equipment, I know itll get better but right now what’s being offered isn’t that unique so ima stick with a half rack and cables
Ironic the number of people complaining about the price when GGR’s entire social existence is based on $100k+ “homegyms” 😂
Can you suggest a 'dumb' tonner... need cables and maybe magnetic resistance without the monitor and smart stuff just magnetic resistance with cables for under $400
I wanna see a review of average joe innovations knurled stainless handles and metal replacement components for the bowflex dumbells so they don't suck.
Can you review the OxeFit?
To expensive
Is there a video with the lowest cost smart gym?
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Iron, lasts 50 plus years (easily), never goes out of style, everyone can use in whatever environment, buy once, cry once
"smart" gyms, cost just as much money, only last as long as the electronics (so, 5 to 7 years? ) and has to be replaced/fixed as the company goes bust/parts become unavailable. Just a rental. Might as well just join a gym at that point.
As I moved north of 40, I use free weights less frequently due to risk of injury. Machines and functional trainers make up the most of my gym time. For a home option, the size and convenience of these over plates is massive.
@@balboa0621 Gee , I'm 63 and still pump iron and still squat.
@@balboa0621 I got a dumb home gym and I love all the metal weights, the barbell knurl, its just immensely satisfying to workout with. But I basically need a whole (basement) room for it it's noisy and everything is bulky and god damn heavy. Those smart gyms are far more convenient, take up less space and are a lot safer to use. If you are living in a flat for example it should be the prefect product. But 4.5k + 60 monthly for tonal... That's a gym membership at a not too shabby gym plus a massive upfront cost. Even for 30 monthly like this one you can get a gym membership at a clean gym with a decent selection of machines (in my area at least). I can see why these companies aren't doing to well post pandemic. You don't really save any money compared to a gym membership and have to wager convenience against the quite limited range of exercises you can do with these smart gyms. Plus if something brakes its your problem, not some guy at the gym that takes care of it all for no added cost to you.
I personally think the future will be smart home gyms, sensors/cameras to track your lifting speed, power output and form will be like a free personal trainer + spotter and everything with less injury risk and neatly out of the way when you don't use it. At this point though I don't see the value. I'd get a gym membership over one of these machines every time.
@@freedomrings1420 good for you. For me, the risk of injury outweighs the benefits of lifting free weights vs other forms of strength training. I certainly wouldn't put hundreds of pounds on my shoulders with the weight compressing my spine anymore. For me, the risks outweigh the benefits. Stay healthy, my friend.
@@balboa0621 But that doesn't really apply to what I said. There are plenty of "non-smart" machines home gyms that won't wear out/break besides some pulleys and cables (easy enough to replace) that don't take up much room either. (they do weigh more of course). They don't have have useless electronics that will rapidly age and not work and be irreplaceable and/or require some subscription to the company to "rent it" for ever.
Love my speediance!! Better than gym!
Been waiting for this one. I want digital weights, but have no interest in subscriptions. Also, the ability to move the weight from vertical to horizontal is fantastic. I’m more interested in comparing this vs vitruvian rather than tonal. I’m still unclear about vitruvian’s use without membership.
In theory, this will still work fine if the company goes under, right? Unless the hardware breaks, it should retain full functionality unlike tonal. I don’t know where vitruvian falls on that spectrum
You have the added risk of software breaks as well since the software would never get another update at that point. But yeah I think for us folks that mostly use barbells and like the idea of smart gyms but don't need the programming, this one seems interesting.
Is your data on this equipment saved on the unit or on this Chinese company's servers?
god damn, I know tonal and these other companies are in their right to charge these memberships but honestly if they didn't completely gut the machine and just charged a more for the machine itself I would totally buy one. Give me a tonal for $10,000 without all that membership crap and I guarantee it'd still sell well
Speediance still offer free lifetime subscription.
Looks cool. I have a functional trainer that does about the same thing without the smart features. Comparing the two, it seems like this unit has a place in the market place.
What do u have Steve? I love this setup but don’t care/need the smart features.
I’m close to going w Unitree pump but it also requires an app & changing the setups for diff exercises
@@shahn78 I have a body craft functional trainer and a bench. Provides cable resistance basically
Appreciate the answer @@steverapos3904