I absolutely LOVE Concept2. They have all their replacement parts available to service every generation of their product and at reasonable prices. No one does that. Such a great company and product line.
This would be a perfect machine for someone just trying to stay strong without the hassle of making time to go to the gym. It's not gonna turn you into superman BUT it will certainly make maintenance a lot easier.
Having several Concept2 products, every time I use them I marvel at the quality and the ease of use that just isn’t there with their competitors offerings - which makes me want to use it and not have a barrier to working out.
I like how compact the StrengthErg seems to be. Especially if your space for a home gym is very limited its important. I have enjoyed the rowing erg from Concept 2 for many years, and in particulate the ability to easily disassemble it so it stores in a tight space is brilliant. And also the quality of the products from Concept 2 is not to debate. It is extremely high...
The compact nature sold me but my one want for it is an ability to overhead press. I feel like that space of strength is incredibly important and would like to see that over a bench press ability. That said, I'll definitely be buying one as the footprint, versatility, and unique work on this is something I'd like to have in the home. I think this sort of thing would be good for my elders and nieces and nephews to be able to use if they would like. For them using my squat rack or kettlebells is intimidating but this could be a game changer.
Without room for a full rack or anything like that in my basement gym this is a huge win! I can "squat" and "bench" very safely in a small form factor and one machine is versatile enough for me, my wife, AND my kids.
I think the inability to topple over or have a barbell crush you when you're close to failure is a big selling point. The fact that I wouldn't need to load or unload and store plates is another plus in my book.
I reckon it’s going to be an absolute game-changer for older person strength training. The lessons of the Dyno have obviously been learned. I’d love to see a shoulder push attachment to it, but maybe that’s for the future. It’s going to be a great machine for cardiac rehab and I can even see it in Hyrox-type events. The lack of eccentric phase may actually be a good thing.
When I heard that C2 were bringing out a new machine I desperately wanted it to be a elliptical which I would buy tomorrow, but have to now tell the wife I really need the strength erg 😂 Thanks Shane for showing us this .
Much like the RowErg, I love that this also embodies the Concept2 ideology of “competing with yourself” so that what you’re doing is betting your performance instead of competing with someone else is accomplishing. No matter what you can do, or what you’re capable of, you can get your workout and improve at the pace you can safely sustained. I’ll be getting one!
I'm liking the idea of this as a machine to very easily get in a quick 10 minute full body workout with less effort than weights for lighter or more busy days. I think it'll fit very well within a standard weight training program for recovery and maintence.
As a C2 fanboy all stories from this amazing company is a treat. Great interview with the brothers and staff. Thanks DHR for being out on the field for this one! ”What even is this thing” 😂 I want one nonetheless!
I think this offers some good options for my disabled child to focus on some easy to replicate motions which require less motor planning steps to get some very good exercise and resistance. I'd love to have an opportunity to pilot one for her. She has a pretty severe intellectual disability and motor planning disfunction and full rowing is probably way to many steps. She has also torn her mpfl ligament and will need to strengthen her quad before they can surgically repair and the first movement offers a very easy but yet effective method to strengthen her quad. Happy to see what might work.
Shane, this is amazing, thank you! I love all my C2 devices, but none of them are so universally applicable. It's particularly interesting when you have little space, for example when you live in rented accommodation.
Two points I was concerned with, while watching the video. The back support seems rather thin to support the back when bench pressing. Also is there an angular adjustment for the bench press handle if the seat neither rises nor lowers?
Love concept 2. I still use my Model D (PM3) REGULARLY but this has limitations in the “strength” arena. Def an option for those that aren’t interested in using DBs, KB’s or BB’s at home or don’t want to use a machine at a global gym. I’m a pass but I may not be their target buyer. In the end, the consumer will decide this one and I wish them the best.
I keep thinking out loud...when willl Concept2 come out with a new product...mind blown! I really see this replacing my wife's 2 day a week db rountine and me using for powerlifting accessories! Well done once again Concept2! 👏
@@DarkHorseRowing Heck yeah! I sent your video to my training buddy and he definitely wants one for his home gym too. I am already looking on their site for a notification reminder for when it goes live to sell 👀
The resistance this provides does not seem optimal for strength training based on current research. For one, there is no tension on the eccentric, and no stretch. I also find it mentally difficult when resistance increases the harder you go (in these kinds of movements), sort of how I hate spinning bikes with that friction-based resistance. I am fine with endurance workouts on the erg or a trainer like the Kickr.
Interesting concept (pun intended). Gives me the cable squat machine vibe. Also seeing a number makes it easier for progressive overload. Super curious on the final product
😮😮😮WOW!!! Two questions: 1) Does the cable system adjust up and down? (Can my 5-3 wife and 6-4 son adjust it for comfortability) 2) Can the foot pedals adjust up and down or also wider?? (Can the foot base go lower, say 4 to 6 inches, and wider, say 3 to 4 inches) So a 250 lbs woman or 400 lbs man looking to incorporate strength training into their weight loss can adjust it for more comfort. In my opinion those options would make it more widely usable for a wider customer base at a gym.
I have all 3 machines and love them all. This doesn’t appeal to me when dumbells and kettlebells exist. I would rather have seen An Assault bike style machine from C2 than this device. Maybe I will change my mind when some real reviews come out.
This is a home gym for people (i.e. NYC) for whom before it was impossible to have a home gym, but whose schedules could benefit immensely from a home gym and a 20 minute strength workout.
I can see this being helpful for old people or people doing recovery exercise. But for the general public with a relatively fit body. No eccentric resistance. Only three possible movements, which can all be easily replaced by body weight exercises with a pair of high parallel bars + some resistance bands. Not to mention the latter is way cheaper and way easier to store.
I'm interested in knowing how this contrasts with the discontinued Dyno machine. A bit of history would be cool... why did the Dyno not succeed? What, if any, ideas carried forward to this new machine? What does this do differently/better?
Two things holding me back for years acquiring a leg-press machine. They take up too much space and ... I'd get bored. The strength-erg may solve both!
I don't want to load plates; I don't want legs only; I don't want a beast to move around in the garage. Who knew you could get so much resistance from just a flywheel? Plus, I get metrics? Sign me up!
Really Like the Idea of this. Strength is so Important. Especially in the older population. I think it would be Very Important for a training program to be part of this. Most who buy the other 3 ergs will probably have an Idea of what to do with it. This I think would be different, otherwise it may be a catch all like a treadmill. That's my 2 cents
How is this not a reworked C2 Dyno? It doesn't even appear on their product history wall chart you showed. Don't get me wrong, it looks useful, but expensive for a limited number of exercises. I've had a C2 Rower for 20 years, so I know they're really well built. I'd like to see an adaptor to allow lat pull down.
Nice! Lots of strength exercises in a small, compact machine. Funny, I row, not for speed or time but for me ... cardio and strength (core, back, legs, & biceps). I know it's taboo to use higher resistance settings, but it works for me. This new machine adds triceps, biceps, plus even higher resistance for core, back, legs, biceps.
My first thought is that for strength development inertia flywheel resistance is probably gonna be more productive and compact than air resistance. Kbox, strexbox etc.
Looks interesting. I can't say I would get one just yet..... I have a good half rack with an upper and lower pulley, along with dip, roman chair and pull up bar. We also have a rack of dumbbells. I have the C2 Bike and Row ergs, and love them. I am probably not the customer this is marketed towards. But so glad they are willing to explore and expand their product line up. I would probably get a ski erg before one of these. My main sport is mountain biking. I am a C2 fanboy but love my iron weights too much to add for trade for one of these machines.
Intéressant, je suis un athlète de force qui es venu à l’endurance par le rowerg et le bikeerg, je suis donc curieux d’essayer celui ci en sachant d’où je viens.
At my age, loading and unloading plates gets old. I would love to see additional: a lat pull-down, flyes, calf-raise, shoulder press, and shoulder shrugs but I’m wondering the erg’s flywheel needs a certain length to engage properly so short movements might not work.
Looks cool for rehab ortho clinics. Playing the hybrid strength category with flywheels. Price will be key for this to take off. NpD to grow category loyalty against Rogue for coming out with a c2 rower knockoff!
I'd say this new machine would definitely compliment those working with the rowing machine. It would definitely help beginners build the power needed to move up to a higher level. I don't think it would really compliment skierg & bikeerg users, but time will tell.
I first thought this would be a somewhat desperate fitness gimmick to appear relevant. After watching the video and understanding they actually created this based on their needs and after seeing its potential, I’m definitely intrigued. It’s not gimmicky at all and seems relevant to overall fitness depending on a person’s goals. I can’t wait to try it. Very cool.
simple is best. the rower, bike, & ski are simple, reliable, and trusted. for strength barbells are the same. this machine won’t replace barbells. it places no demands on the core, doesn’t load the spine, or allow full range of motion. concept2 should work on updating the pm5 with wifi and a second bluetooth channel. they should also make the damper settings more visible in concept2 green so they can be seen in low light.
When you develop strength and do Olympic lifts, nobody really complains about doing eccentric with Olympic lifts so I don’t see why the comments about concentric lifting are not critical of oly lifting
as the flywheel gains momentum, it becomes easier to row. I'm unsure if you got a sense of that with the few reps you performed. I'd be interested to see if they are able to calculate a weight equivalence in pounds to give buyers a standard to compare against, but can imagine that'd be difficult on a type of machine whose power output changes based on the inertia of the flywheel at any given time. It is an interesting piece, but as someone interested in dedicated strength training, I can't see how I'd incorporate this into my training.
Without the eccentric movement I see this as a way of active recovery and maintaining strength. It's easier to recover from just concentric work. It's a bit like using a sled for active recovery. I don't see a lot of use in high loads loads with low reps but there is a lot of use in medium- to low-load-training. This is basicaly the counterpart to flywheel-training.
I love the look of it, but my hamstrings are too tight to be able sit in that seat with my legs straight out without the back being able to recline further.
I absolutely LOVE Concept2. They have all their replacement parts available to service every generation of their product and at reasonable prices. No one does that. Such a great company and product line.
I’m a fan of Concept 2 having both the RowErg and BikeErg. Their ethos as a company is exceptional.
Hope this new product takes off.
This is going to be a badass one stop gym for my geriatric patients and an awesome training tool for my gym for the young guns.
This would be a perfect machine for someone just trying to stay strong without the hassle of making time to go to the gym. It's not gonna turn you into superman BUT it will certainly make maintenance a lot easier.
Having several Concept2 products, every time I use them I marvel at the quality and the ease of use that just isn’t there with their competitors offerings - which makes me want to use it and not have a barrier to working out.
I like how compact the StrengthErg seems to be. Especially if your space for a home gym is very limited its important. I have enjoyed the rowing erg from Concept 2 for many years, and in particulate the ability to easily disassemble it so it stores in a tight space is brilliant. And also the quality of the products from Concept 2 is not to debate. It is extremely high...
The compact nature sold me but my one want for it is an ability to overhead press. I feel like that space of strength is incredibly important and would like to see that over a bench press ability. That said, I'll definitely be buying one as the footprint, versatility, and unique work on this is something I'd like to have in the home. I think this sort of thing would be good for my elders and nieces and nephews to be able to use if they would like. For them using my squat rack or kettlebells is intimidating but this could be a game changer.
No eccentric resistance. It exists already with a weight stack.
Going to add this one to my Bike and Row ERG set! Love the concept of it. And look how compact it is!
Without room for a full rack or anything like that in my basement gym this is a huge win! I can "squat" and "bench" very safely in a small form factor and one machine is versatile enough for me, my wife, AND my kids.
I think the inability to topple over or have a barbell crush you when you're close to failure is a big selling point. The fact that I wouldn't need to load or unload and store plates is another plus in my book.
Oh my another concept machine to Get.. Can't wait this is perfect for me.
I reckon it’s going to be an absolute game-changer for older person strength training. The lessons of the Dyno have obviously been learned. I’d love to see a shoulder push attachment to it, but maybe that’s for the future.
It’s going to be a great machine for cardiac rehab and I can even see it in Hyrox-type events. The lack of eccentric phase may actually be a good thing.
Disagree with your last sentence.
@@Zane_Zaminskymy concern too. No eccentric
Having no resistance on the eccentric makes this minimally useful.
When I heard that C2 were bringing out a new machine I desperately wanted it to be a elliptical which I would buy tomorrow, but have to now tell the wife I really need the strength erg 😂 Thanks Shane for showing us this .
Man I could absolutely see how hard you were working. And I know how strong you are already!
No negative resistance? If so, then “No go!”
Much like the RowErg, I love that this also embodies the Concept2 ideology of “competing with yourself” so that what you’re doing is betting your performance instead of competing with someone else is accomplishing. No matter what you can do, or what you’re capable of, you can get your workout and improve at the pace you can safely sustained. I’ll be getting one!
I'm liking the idea of this as a machine to very easily get in a quick 10 minute full body workout with less effort than weights for lighter or more busy days. I think it'll fit very well within a standard weight training program for recovery and maintence.
As a C2 fanboy all stories from this amazing company is a treat. Great interview with the brothers and staff. Thanks DHR for being out on the field for this one! ”What even is this thing” 😂 I want one nonetheless!
I think this offers some good options for my disabled child to focus on some easy to replicate motions which require less motor planning steps to get some very good exercise and resistance. I'd love to have an opportunity to pilot one for her. She has a pretty severe intellectual disability and motor planning disfunction and full rowing is probably way to many steps. She has also torn her mpfl ligament and will need to strengthen her quad before they can surgically repair and the first movement offers a very easy but yet effective method to strengthen her quad. Happy to see what might work.
Perfect for an apartment/condo without disturbing your neighbors. Not to mention what looks to be a good workout. Nice job!
Shane, this is amazing, thank you! I love all my C2 devices, but none of them are so universally applicable. It's particularly interesting when you have little space, for example when you live in rented accommodation.
Two points I was concerned with, while watching the video. The back support seems rather thin to support the back when bench pressing. Also is there an angular adjustment for the bench press handle if the seat neither rises nor lowers?
Not only thin but too low
That looks really interesting! I’d love to try one of those out in my garage gym!
The concept is that of a safe to use gym, concentrated in the footprint of a small bike.
Love concept 2. I still use my Model D (PM3) REGULARLY but this has limitations in the “strength” arena. Def an option for those that aren’t interested in using DBs, KB’s or BB’s at home or don’t want to use a machine at a global gym. I’m a pass but I may not be their target buyer. In the end, the consumer will decide this one and I wish them the best.
I keep thinking out loud...when willl Concept2 come out with a new product...mind blown! I really see this replacing my wife's 2 day a week db rountine and me using for powerlifting accessories! Well done once again Concept2! 👏
So you think you’ll end up with one?
@@DarkHorseRowing Heck yeah! I sent your video to my training buddy and he definitely wants one for his home gym too. I am already looking on their site for a notification reminder for when it goes live to sell 👀
Wished they could replicate the overpriced VersaClimber.
@@CardioKing408there are many alternatives to the Versaclimber I have the home model great workout but wish I had resistance
J’ai hâte de pouvoir l’essayer!! Ça à l’air cool et mystérieux
The resistance this provides does not seem optimal for strength training based on current research. For one, there is no tension on the eccentric, and no stretch. I also find it mentally difficult when resistance increases the harder you go (in these kinds of movements), sort of how I hate spinning bikes with that friction-based resistance. I am fine with endurance workouts on the erg or a trainer like the Kickr.
I had this exact thought. Without the eccentric load you're missing out on half the rep and losing that deep stretch.
Noticed this too… pretty cool innovation but looks like zero eccentric loading.
Yeah, for the price just buy a set of adjustable dumbbells and a bench.
I so trust this company! I’ve been on temhe fence for getting some sort of strength training equipment along side my Row Erg. Very excited!
Looks awesome. I just found my 2025 fitness self gift. Really eager to see reviews from different expertise fields about this machine.
I think that’s the most interesting part is where will it land in the industry
Interesting concept (pun intended). Gives me the cable squat machine vibe. Also seeing a number makes it easier for progressive overload. Super curious on the final product
Agreed. I do love the actual unit of measurement giving you legitimate feedback
I like this machine. I’m a big free weight guy but this machine has a place in a lot of people’s gym. I like the safety aspect
Already have the SkiErg and Rower, love what they do and their whole philosophy
Reminds me of those ‘4 Minutes Per Day’ machines sold in the 1990s
Exactly but not quite I had a dyno and tried a ROM machine. The ROM blew the dyno away tbh
So, ZERO eccentric resistance? What about progression?
Zero eccentric means little soreness if any. If you take a couple weeks off from strength training soreness can be an issue do to the eccentric.
😮😮😮WOW!!! Two questions: 1) Does the cable system adjust up and down? (Can my 5-3 wife and 6-4 son adjust it for comfortability) 2) Can the foot pedals adjust up and down or also wider?? (Can the foot base go lower, say 4 to 6 inches, and wider, say 3 to 4 inches) So a 250 lbs woman or 400 lbs man looking to incorporate strength training into their weight loss can adjust it for more comfort. In my opinion those options would make it more widely usable for a wider customer base at a gym.
oh I love this. Small footprint also!
I have all 3 machines and love them all.
This doesn’t appeal to me when dumbells and kettlebells exist.
I would rather have seen An Assault bike style machine from C2 than this device.
Maybe I will change my mind when some real reviews come out.
100% purchase for me.
This is a home gym for people (i.e. NYC) for whom before it was impossible to have a home gym, but whose schedules could benefit immensely from a home gym and a 20 minute strength workout.
I can see this being helpful for old people or people doing recovery exercise. But for the general public with a relatively fit body. No eccentric resistance. Only three possible movements, which can all be easily replaced by body weight exercises with a pair of high parallel bars + some resistance bands. Not to mention the latter is way cheaper and way easier to store.
I'm interested in knowing how this contrasts with the discontinued Dyno machine. A bit of history would be cool... why did the Dyno not succeed? What, if any, ideas carried forward to this new machine? What does this do differently/better?
It was large and not exactly portable. I had it long time ago it was good but I couldn’t utilize it like I wanted to.
Two things holding me back for years acquiring a leg-press machine. They take up too much space and ... I'd get bored. The strength-erg may solve both!
I don't want to load plates; I don't want legs only; I don't want a beast to move around in the garage. Who knew you could get so much resistance from just a flywheel? Plus, I get metrics? Sign me up!
LET’S GO
Really Like the Idea of this. Strength is so Important. Especially in the older population. I think it would be Very Important for a training program to be part of this. Most who buy the other 3 ergs will probably have an Idea of what to do with it. This I think would be different, otherwise it may be a catch all like a treadmill.
That's my 2 cents
Take it on the road, so we can try it out.
seems ideal for dropsets. i'll wait for the coop (garage gym) review
How is this not a reworked C2 Dyno? It doesn't even appear on their product history wall chart you showed.
Don't get me wrong, it looks useful, but expensive for a limited number of exercises. I've had a C2 Rower for 20 years, so I know they're really well built.
I'd like to see an adaptor to allow lat pull down.
Looks sick! Looks very innovative! Great video and insight into the company as well! Hope to support in the near future! Thanks!
Super excited !
I feel like the upper push looks too low. It seems a little awkward
My thoughts exactly
Dyno v2. It is surprising they're bringing this back, it was not popular or particularly useful the first time. The old models are still out there.
Nice! Lots of strength exercises in a small, compact machine. Funny, I row, not for speed or time but for me ... cardio and strength (core, back, legs, & biceps). I know it's taboo to use higher resistance settings, but it works for me. This new machine adds triceps, biceps, plus even higher resistance for core, back, legs, biceps.
time to start saving money for it.
My first thought is that for strength development inertia flywheel resistance is probably gonna be more productive and compact than air resistance. Kbox, strexbox etc.
I have the bike/rower/skier and yeah I’m definitely buy this!!!
The Dyno is back I wish I could review one
Yeah I'm gonna need this yesterday please.
🫡 ill tell them to rush order
OK, I'm a bit over excited here. 😂😂😂 They could make a second one that you sit at to military press and lat pull combo.
Looks interesting. I can't say I would get one just yet..... I have a good half rack with an upper and lower pulley, along with dip, roman chair and pull up bar. We also have a rack of dumbbells. I have the C2 Bike and Row ergs, and love them. I am probably not the customer this is marketed towards. But so glad they are willing to explore and expand their product line up. I would probably get a ski erg before one of these. My main sport is mountain biking. I am a C2 fanboy but love my iron weights too much to add for trade for one of these machines.
Very cool. Love this!
This looks amazing! Kinda makes me wonder if they can make a tree pulley hybrid out of this thing.
Intéressant, je suis un athlète de force qui es venu à l’endurance par le rowerg et le bikeerg, je suis donc curieux d’essayer celui ci en sachant d’où je viens.
At my age, loading and unloading plates gets old. I would love to see additional: a lat pull-down, flyes, calf-raise, shoulder press, and shoulder shrugs but I’m wondering the erg’s flywheel needs a certain length to engage properly so short movements might not work.
Looks cool for rehab ortho clinics. Playing the hybrid strength category with flywheels. Price will be key for this to take off. NpD to grow category loyalty against Rogue for coming out with a c2 rower knockoff!
I'd say this new machine would definitely compliment those working with the rowing machine. It would definitely help beginners build the power needed to move up to a higher level. I don't think it would really compliment skierg & bikeerg users, but time will tell.
This machine looks like a previous machine that Concept 2 brought out several years ago.
Similar feels for sure
aside from aging athletes I can see this being a great tool in the PT/Rehab space. It can replace many expensive machines.
I first thought this would be a somewhat desperate fitness gimmick to appear relevant. After watching the video and understanding they actually created this based on their needs and after seeing its potential, I’m definitely intrigued. It’s not gimmicky at all and seems relevant to overall fitness depending on a person’s goals. I can’t wait to try it. Very cool.
I’d buy that - I’d use it as a station in my gym - I checked it on the website and price isn’t bad - I don’t need the monitor
simple is best. the rower, bike, & ski are simple, reliable, and trusted. for strength barbells are the same. this machine won’t replace barbells. it places no demands on the core, doesn’t load the spine, or allow full range of motion.
concept2 should work on updating the pm5 with wifi and a second bluetooth channel. they should also make the damper settings more visible in concept2 green so they can be seen in low light.
Holy cow... I'm buying it.
Do you get eccentric contractions with the strength exercises on this machine? Are there benefits for concentric only in strength training?
When you develop strength and do Olympic lifts, nobody really complains about doing eccentric with Olympic lifts so I don’t see why the comments about concentric lifting are not critical of oly lifting
I am an old with concept 2 rowing machine and concept stength erg i buy,in a gym i have nothing to prove.....
Thanks for the info:)
Looks like they brought back the Dyno from over 20 yrs ago
Have they released a map or any details on the muscle groups that can be worked with this machine?
If only Concept2 was not that noisy. I prefer weight lifting it adds balance to the equation. 😊 Best of luck to them.
as the flywheel gains momentum, it becomes easier to row. I'm unsure if you got a sense of that with the few reps you performed. I'd be interested to see if they are able to calculate a weight equivalence in pounds to give buyers a standard to compare against, but can imagine that'd be difficult on a type of machine whose power output changes based on the inertia of the flywheel at any given time. It is an interesting piece, but as someone interested in dedicated strength training, I can't see how I'd incorporate this into my training.
StrengthERG? more like the RowERG but in phases
Without the eccentric movement I see this as a way of active recovery and maintaining strength. It's easier to recover from just concentric work. It's a bit like using a sled for active recovery. I don't see a lot of use in high loads loads with low reps but there is a lot of use in medium- to low-load-training.
This is basicaly the counterpart to flywheel-training.
Seems like there should be a direct lb/kg translation to the resistance numbers on the flywheel.
So they have re-released the C2 Dyno with a few updates?
Hopefully it will have some way to push overhead for shoulders.
@@johnlanigan7490 DING DING DING!!!
That's precisely what I was wanting to see, while I love a bench press, a shoulder press is the king of pressing movements for me.
Love it
Seems like the back needs to be higher to really max out the push movement and get under the should blades
Compact and high force!? Sign me up.
Signed up
It looks like an excellent home gym. How much will it cost?
1500 with the PM5, 1350 without
what kind of shoes are you wearing?
07:05
08:13
Is there a jerk at the end of each "stroke", particularly the pushes?
You didn't mention C2 Dyno - basically very similiar thing to this.
what is the price point Concept 2 is proposing, on or about?
1500 with PM5 and 1350 without
When will the machine be available in Europe?
Interesting idea. I'm interested but it will depend on exercises available and amount of resistance
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. nice!!!!!
Where does the resistance come from? Can’t just be from the flywheel
I love the look of it, but my hamstrings are too tight to be able sit in that seat with my legs straight out without the back being able to recline further.
Reminds me of a rehab machine where you peddle with your hands
Seated I suppose
Actual intro starts at 5:49