well in a way it kind of is: consider Vim is pretty much the only decent pre-war big cooperation ( comparing with nuka-cola, vault tec etc.) isn't it that Vim soda's curing effect on super mutant a poetic way of showing basic decency pays?
I think you missed one bit about VIM clearing the minds of super mutants. When you sneak into the part of VIM factory with the huge vats, you will notice two super mutants standing by them, having a well versed, human like conversation about leadership that ends amicably, rather than in usual head tearing.
I think it was just Bethesda's way of clearing the doubt whether it was the fog or Vim beverages. In the end, in Fallout 4 almost everything comes down to shooting your way through.
aviomarin7 I actually didn't realize dat cause whenever you think of super mutants u think of them as ugly angry brutes. I knew there was something special about the factory
Perhaps they weren't affected by the Vim to the same extent as Erickson? We already know most Super Mutants have a strong sense of brotherhood, so maybe it changed them enough that they'd be more amicable to their "brothers" but still hostile to outsiders?
Nuka cola is the only company petty and scared enough to commit terrorism against another cola company that isn’t even close to being as famous as nuka cola
@Oxhorn - If you go to the marine research facility, they state that lobsters have been severely irradiated (accounting for larger sizes and the like) - So mirelurks, at least their precursors were forming. So Vim! Captain's blend technically contains a healthy dose of Fallout's Magical Radiation as well.
lol vim cures the FEV. imagine if nuka cola never attacked them? and if vim was everywhere aswell as nuka cola, we'd probably not have any Super mutants xD
FEV can be cured using Lorenzo Cabot's Mysterious Serum. If you give one of those to Virgil instead of Virgil's Serum, Virgil will become human again just like giving him his Serum. Virgil's Serum being able to cure Virgil is not necessarily an example of FEV being curable since Virgil's Serum is specially designed for Virgil's biology. But Lorenzo's Serum is not specifically designed for anything. But if Vim can be use to sanitise mutants instead of just turning them into humans, maybe they will be more willing to become humans? When you cure Virgil even though Strong is relatively sane, he says that it is a dishonour to want to be cured as a super mutant (or something like that). This brings up an interesting state of affairs for humanity. If somehow we were able to manufacture Lorenzo's Serum and get Vim operational again, we could cure all the super mutants and have everyone living forever, radiation free. But what about feral ghouls? Is there really no cure?
Ferals are basically zombies. They do not have a brain anymore, and are just raw nervesystems dragging around half-corpse bodies that basically can't die on their own. You could never "cure" them. I doubt their DNA is even intact enough to clone the original person. You could however PREVENT ghouls from GOING feral, as well as possibly heal their damaged bodies. Maybe.
***** If you don't destroy the institute Virgil might be able to go back to his lab (after curing him with Lorenzo's serum) so he can work on it further. Since Lorenzo lives forever and he was adequately restrained in Parsons it wouldn't be hard for the Institute to do the same to him. The institute would have no moral issues with locking him up and exploiting him given what they already do. For field testing the Institute could use the puppet Mayor in Diamond City to distribute the new serum to local super mutants (perhaps through a Syringer armed by the DC guards?) To distribute it further we would have to use the Minutemen since the BoS and Railroad are to die if the Institute must be left alive. The Minutemen could be supported by armies of synths, though I think many among them might have some problems with that. As for releasing it into the water, it could cure the mutated sea life but it could also make them more dangerous, the Vim could be Captain's Blend which might make the sea life less hostile. However, we're not trying to give everyone unlimited life here, this serum should be reserved for cure only so releasing it in such abundance with no control is probably a bad idea. Now, if letting the Institute operate like this might be too ethically damning so maybe Virgil could find a way to exploit Lorenzo's magic headgear and so find out how to synthesise his blood, then he could work with the Railroad to secretly cure specially targeted mutant populations.
It is good to know that, despite Fallout-USA being a dystopian hellhole with corporate warfare, corruption and violence in simple businesses, there were still companies that just did their job. Vim! is a wonderful example. They would have been happy with just sitting in Maine and probably the bordering states and distribute their beverages, probably with a nice little slogan and an ad campaign for the regions. They would have what they already own, keep the workers' morale up, the company running and make some new drinks once in a while. But no, Nuka Cola needs to own everything, twists the mind of a Vim! employee and sabotages a (compared to them) small company to the point that workers fear for their lives, and the corrupted employee considers going on an armed rampage at her workplace. Kind of sad, if you ask me. Also relevant, but not related: How to cure FEV: Get a proper and clean Laboratory, a buttload of Vim! and get Virgil to work on it (He probably memorized a few things from the Institute), and BAM! You have a cola-based medicine to cure it, and only need to place a few barrels filled with it in Super Mutant-occupied areas. These guys eat everything, so I assume that applies to drinking as well.
"The storyteller" used to be very good at it with all the Fallout games before Fallout 4. They kinda lost steam with Fallout 4 but you should give them a watch too.
Vim cola - Cures FEV bloodlust Vim captains blend - Makes mirelurks see you as a friend Nuka cola - Gives you radiation sickness Guys, I think we chose the wrong soda company to support.
Well, yeah. F.E.V. can be cured, Virgil proved that. He also retained his sanity as did a few assorted Super mutants in previous games. I there was even a Super Mutant companion named Marcus who was quite sane and even a nice guy if you were accepting of him in the original Fallout from Black Isle studios. Uncle Leo from Fallout 3 also comes to mind. So, there's no reason F.E.V. can't be either cured completely or it's negative effects removed. The big question is how?
Marcus was a Mariposa super mutant which is a different strain of the FEV virus which made anyone who was of mostly pure blood more intelligent than average humans. However if a person had been exposed to high amounts of radiation or a weaker form of FEV they would become really stupid if they became a super mutant. Also the Mariposa strain wasn't very consistent and sometimes when someone was exposed, they would turn into a ghoul-like creature like Harold or if exposed for long periods of time (months) It would turn a person into and immobile yet highly intelligent creature like the Master.
Actually, I've noticed most main Fallout games appear to have a new FEV strain in it. Like the Mariposa strain, the Vault 81 strain, and the Institute strain which is the one Virgil has.
Arkady Rex This is true. Actually there are multiple institute strains. Swan, for example, was one of their early experiments and through various computer entrys it's established that the institute kept refining the virus through at least a couple of iterations before their research stagnated. But I was pointing out that no version of F.E.V. turned 100% of the Super Mutants into nothing but violent idiots. Even Strong possesses some rudimentary cunning and the ability to restrain himself. If anyone can resist a virus successfully it's at least possible to cure it even if only by making a serum from the resistant individual's blood. Virgil even says flat out it'll take years but he thinks he can generalize the cure that worked on him.
If you think about it a little the conclusion is that human settlements should even look out for sane super mutants and invite them to live with them. Of course the human fear and hate - which is totally reasonable for like 99.9% of the mutants that are violent human meat craving cruel monsters. But for the sane ones? They would make the most valuable individuals of the settlement! Of course their insane strength is helpful for a lot of work, the way they are feared would make them great security to stop outsiders from doing stuff but the most value able would be the complete resistance to radiation. They could actually carry out all those nuclear waste barrels, decontaminate the area from radiative gerbil or remove the ridiculous reactors from cars and trucks and maybe could even put those into a save enclosure to harvest all the energy remaining. Hypothetically spoken. Since - you know: even with Drumpf it is still phantasy :D
I live in Maine and I actually live on the island far harbor is based on. They didn't get much of the island right, but they got enough of it right for things to look vaguely familiar, like I can tell where I'm suppose to be but it doesn't look quite right.
My brother and I own a cabin up in Hartland on Moose Lake. Bethesda definitely nailed the look and feel of Maine for sure…minus all the radiation of course 😆
maybe he seen the stingray deluxe fighter plane thing and confused it as a monoplane and thought the advert for the vim cola was a biplane? maybe he dosnt know at all? the monoplane is quite a new invention i tell you, its only been around since like 1904 it takes at least 120 years for people to start recognizing it
Where are you getting that false information Plus Awe? "A biplane is a fixed-wing aircraft with two main wings stacked one above the other. The first powered, controlled aeroplane to fly, the Wright Flyer, used a biplane wing arrangement, as did many aircraft in the early years of aviation." There are also triplanes.
Stephen Butler, please take your own advice and Google "biplane". Your original reply was incorrect. "Bi" = "2". "Mono" = "1". The billboard pic shows a single wing format. Meaning the 2 separate wings on either side are on the same geometric plane, thus, the plane would be considered a *single engine "mono" airplane* (stars to show that this is a single title).
If yall Fallout fans want to make Pre War NukaCola the recipe is... 1/3 cup of cream soda 1/3 cup Mountain Dew 1/3 cup of Coca Cola Oxhorn make it and drink it in a video ive made it i think its great.
I have been getting really annoyed with lore videos and stuff lately, not just fallout 4. But yours, really have drawn me in, I like the way you present it and I enjoy that you go into detail and don't repeat yourself a dozen times to pad your episodes. Keep up the good work.
Im happy to see that finally there is a company that isnt corrupted whatsoever, since even finding a not super corrupted company like hallucigen and vault tec is hard already. Sadly, the corrupted company places an agent and destroys it, which is sad because it means even if a company isnt corrupted, it gets attacked by a corrupted company
And sterile... and too big to fit in a LOT of doorways... and immortal (downside, but too many think it's an upside)... the ability to take a lot of hits and laugh off radiation is a nice perk though.
@@maledwarfwarrior it's a major upside in a prosperous world like ours. I would give anything to be able to follow humanity's ever increasing scientific understanding and technological might.
I think their is one problem, super mutant keep mutating. It goes until they become behemoths. Tho the vim would allow them to keep their sanity (the mutation into a behemoth really screws their minds), but they would continue to get bigger. I'm not 100 percent sure on how true the continued mutation thing works. If i'm right then then sane mutant would keep getting bigger until their giant or collapse on themselves.
Lol I'm in Texas and we have pubs, a bar is where you go to get drunk and play pool while shitty music plays in the background. A pub is where you go after a long day at work, get a nice drink, relax, and have a nice time.
There's at least 4 different types in main FO4. The commons and softshells seem to be horseshoes. Hunters are some kind of shrimp, like lobsters or prawns. Queens could just be bigger commons, but Kings are more like hybrids. Like maybe some FEV-type mutation made humans into nest guardians.
Open top canopy monoplane, prolly P-26 or some kind of stunt plane. [Edit]: Checked the high res pic, it looks like P-47D Thunderbolt with bubble canopy.
Itzthepandarealtor Judging by the shape of the canopy (full glass bubble), tail and wings its most likely P-47D as spitfires were rarely used by Americans and you have to remember that Fallout's America is isolationist and nationalist to the max. Well there's a thing tho Fallout 4 deviates from original Fallout plot outlined in Fallout Bible by a large margain. But yeah most likely P-47D-28.
But the Thunderbolts have four propellers. From the arraignment of the propellers you can tell it doesn't have four, but three. Typical of Early-Mid Spitfires. And, bare in mind the Fallout timeline only differs from ours after the end of WW2. America did occasionally use Spitfires, just like the British occasionally used Mustangs.
half of the people would not get the vim cola and also I bet pepsi and cola would not wqnt to make a deal with bethesda if bethesta would want to go to their competition
As always, excellent detective work! I usually get snipets as I play but hadn't put the whole story with Vim together. I haven't stumbled into the rocket attack girl's hideout yet but I did wander into an improvised radio tower way up in the mountains in Far Harbor (I want to say its southwest of the Vim factory?) where I got the Vim recipes. They were in a little wrecked trailer with the radio equipment.
Thank you for all your amazing videos and especially how descriptive you are with them, I listen to them at work and can’t actually watch them but it’s like having a fallout audiobook and it’s amazing, thank you oh very much and please keep it up
Looks specifically like a spitfire, which is an odd choice for an adventure plane, being a single seat fighter with no storage compartments for survival gear, and a very small fuel tank, early models only staying airborne for a measly twenty minutes. That's all fine when you're dogfighting at 2000 feet, but I'd want something I could put my gear into, and you know, actually fly around for long times. You can't really adventure that much when you gotta land and refuel every twenty minutes to an hour, and if you get out of the plane and go about on foot, you wouldn't have any gear except maybe a pistol and a small suitcase of stuff you managed to fit in the canopy.
The Arctic Gamer It looked more like a hurricane to me because of the small bubble cockpit window and the slope down to the tail. But hurricanes were very similar.
Actually the spitfire had the bubble, the hurricane had the more enclosed canopy. The shape of the tail section and the position of the wings really gives it away though. The spitfire has a straight rear fuselage towards the tail, and a sloped back tail, while the Hurricane has a hunched back and a rounded tail.
walmart brand kittens for sale At least you thought it through and admitted the mistake, you'd be amazed how many people I've talked to about similar topics who are incredibly wrong but insist even when given overwhelming evidence to the contrary that I'm wrong and an idiot. No need to apologize, for me admission of a mistake is more than enough.
@@frozenlizard7738 not too hard, I think coca-cola had a similar situation with crystal Pepsi actually, but instead Coca-cola discontinued it because Pepsi created crystal first
I truly believe that eventually, Nuka Cola would have adquiered Vim if it weren't for the war. Anyways, imagine nuke bombs dropping and your first instinct is "Imma missile launch these mfs"
***** I have fond Moxie cola in specialty stores outside of Maine. Assuming that Nuka cola is that universes equivalent of Coke. Then what is there equivalent of Pepsi?
Could be sunset saspirilla you can really only find that out west in new vegas probably other pre war states also nuka cola never really had a presence in the west just like sunset never really had a presence in the east ive heard in the deep south you cant really find pepsi thats my theory anyway but who knows i have 50/50 chance one way or the other
Kdawg 244 I live in the South, and you can only really get Pepsi(not Coke) is in some restaurants. At gas stations and stuff like that I at least really only find Coke.
Pepsi has taken over Southern restaurants like Coke has taken over the West. They both can be found in both regions, and they've largely bought up all of the little guys along the way. What Coke has done to the Shasta formulas is downright criminal. They put artificial sweeteners into all of the many flavors to make them "semi-diet" like Pepsi One, or whatever. Shasta now gives me splitting headaches, if I can get past the taste. "Goodbye Black Cherry Cola. I shall remember you fondly." :{
I usually find Mirelurks creepy due to how they run at you but watching you consume the captain's blend while standing near one actually has me finding them a little adorable. 😂😂😂❤️
A little late to the party, but I have a theory as to why the Captain's Blend might have had that effect on a super mutant. The Omega-3's in the fish would have likely helped repair Erikson's neurons, thereby allowing him a more human level of cognition and behavior. Growing up, my parents (and grandparents) always called fish "brain food."
Aubrey is traditionally a male name. In present times in the U.S. it is used as a female name, similar to the effect that Madison is often used as a female name now, despite its meaning being a complete contradiction when given to a girl (son of...). That being said, it is far more likely to be a male character, given that the writers in Fallout use a lot of references from the past and prior to the 1970s and 1980s, most if not all Aubrey's in history were men.
It might be a girl too though- Someone in the comments pointed out in an apartment there were the skeletons of two women hugging eachother and some other stuff- And also Far Harbor has a gay character found at one point, so they might have put more than just one- We may never know for sure tho
Elijah Jackson most of my family lives in Maine that's where I grew up and yes moxie is most definitely an acquired taste its primary ingredient is a root extract that gives it a very bitter and pungent flavor most definitely unlike any conventional soda
Elijah Jackson. a good portion of my family drinks it. personally I used to hate it though it's really not as bad as I remember...it has a very distinct aftertaste and because that drinking more is the only way to help that lol it has a cult following here in NH as well as ME and MA and because that things like Moxie jelly exist which is actually pretty good XD also Moxie frappes are pretty good...but yeah totally an acquired taste
Elijah Jackson Definitely an acquired taste, at first you will either hate it and never pick it up again or never get enough of it. It took me awhile to end up enjoying it, at that point I could never stop drinking it.
Soooo..this "Captain's Blend" is raw fish in a a bottle... wait a minute this stuff is sushi you can drink? This is fuckin genius I approve this brand!
I think I have it! FEV is curable by fish oil!!!! LOL Ironically if you look up fish oil, one of the things its supposed to be good for is "mood health" LOL I guess so if it curbs Supermutant agression! ;)
Josh Smillon Depends on which type of mirelurk or game your playing actually in FO3 the mirelurk hunter is indeed a horseshoe crab while in FO4 the mirelurk hunter is a crayfish or something like that.
3:27 I've tried Moxie. Maybe it's an aquired taste or something, but to me those ingredients are what it tastes of... or maybe it's my galactic sized sweet-tooth rebeling against the least amount of bitterness in anything... probably the latter...
We need a mod that lets us shoot Vim soda at Super Mutants that makes them non-hostile. Make them recruitable to settlements and make them guards or dog breeders or cooks.
As for the story of the nuka lady and vim lady, I think they were both women (lesbians) because in one of the building apartments there is a room of two women in a bed holding each other. figure one of them got a room after attacking vim cola company and stayed there to hide. is was two women in dresses.
I am pretty sure he does a video on it, it's a rare drop from the repeating "Amoral Combat" quest near the end of the Nuka World quest line. One of the "challengers" will be holding it if you are lucky.
Oxhorn, a biplane has two wings, one above the other. The plane in the vim logo is a monoplane. The plane design (single wing design) in the vim logo is a sport plane, which was adapted/evolved later into fighter planes in the 1940's and used by the USAAC and RAF.
"He also sells Mutant Hounds and Wolves you can assign to your settlements"
Me: **Sprints towards Erikson's camp with fistfuls of caps**
This is a mood! 😂
shut up and take my caps
me sees mishka I WANT THE WOLF after that i got TALA a glowing wolf
Haha lol
Let the wolves hunt!
Vim!: The only fallout company not evil and/or terrible at their jobs
What are u talking about they put fish FISH!!!!! 🐟🐟🐟🐟 in there soda!!! OH and not have Medicare but who cares bout some people right?
fish wasn't really evil, just weird
Some people liked that soda
just because you drive a truck doesn't mean you need free healthcare.
they probably worked minimum wage anyway
So the "milk of human kindness" that Strong is looking for is actually Vim Cola?
Gavin Erickson it is actually from Macbeth. It is a good read. If I remember correctly it is in act 2
Oxhorn did a video on it. The Milk of Human Kindness doesn't exist. Though Vim might help them anyway.
well in a way it kind of is: consider Vim is pretty much the only decent pre-war big cooperation ( comparing with nuka-cola, vault tec etc.) isn't it that Vim soda's curing effect on super mutant a poetic way of showing basic decency pays?
@@forsakedsorrow Woah. :mind blown:
Noah Blount don’t tell him that we mite be able to make him not hate everything
That Mirelurk at 5:08 was like "Is he friend or is he foe? I can't really tell. Seriously. I can't freaking tell, man!"
Yeah it’s kinda funny
That’s kinda cute.
Its still an enemy but it won't hurt you
"smell my finger"
I think you missed one bit about VIM clearing the minds of super mutants. When you sneak into the part of VIM factory with the huge vats, you will notice two super mutants standing by them, having a well versed, human like conversation about leadership that ends amicably, rather than in usual head tearing.
I never noticed that before. If they were having an amicable conversation, why would they attack the player?
I think it was just Bethesda's way of clearing the doubt whether it was the fog or Vim beverages. In the end, in Fallout 4 almost everything comes down to shooting your way through.
aviomarin7 I actually didn't realize dat cause whenever you think of super mutants u think of them as ugly angry brutes. I knew there was something special about the factory
Perhaps they weren't affected by the Vim to the same extent as Erickson? We already know most Super Mutants have a strong sense of brotherhood, so maybe it changed them enough that they'd be more amicable to their "brothers" but still hostile to outsiders?
In my first playthrough, they were all sitting in the vats like hot tubs. I had to do a double take, thinking it was a bug at the time =D
Mirelurk: Oh it's a hooman, no it's feesh, no wait it's a hooman! Nope just a feesh.
(Sits in a chair and sips on a vim sea food type)
*mirelurk queen charges kicks back chair and drinks captains blend*
@@dalekhardiman "vim seafood type"
The cola wars got real in this world.
Nuka cola is the only company petty and scared enough to commit terrorism against another cola company that isn’t even close to being as famous as nuka cola
some soda is born made to get famous
It got real in this world when Pepsi got all those navy ships from Russia, coke got nothing on that
tankninja1 vim actually won and according to a rumour John Caleb got upset and fired the spy
Check out the Glasgow ice cream wars, that got pretty real
It's 12 am, just finished Far Harbor, you already know that it's worth staying up for another 20 minutes to watch some lore on a soda company
HELL YEAH!
Yup 😂
Fish soda? Quick, call Japan, we're gonna be rich!
lol! that'd do it allright XD
I think they already have fish soda in Japan.
Because of course they do. :)
Von Neely takeo massaki will be first in line to buy some!
Thoonderus Illuminati confirmed?!
In my play thought, I'm going take one of the vim power armors and go to nuka world for REVENGE!
Because that is what heroes do
Revenge!!!!!!
Since I'm a Mainer it's technically patriotism.
Mcs 828 same
@@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154 shut down John Caleb Bradburton with it on
@Oxhorn - If you go to the marine research facility, they state that lobsters have been severely irradiated (accounting for larger sizes and the like) - So mirelurks, at least their precursors were forming. So Vim! Captain's blend technically contains a healthy dose of Fallout's Magical Radiation as well.
lol vim cures the FEV. imagine if nuka cola never attacked them? and if vim was everywhere aswell as nuka cola, we'd probably not have any Super mutants xD
Oh my God! You are right!
Vim pop world!
@@thegreatcornholio5025 man vim pop world sounds awesome
We'd have super mutants, but they'd be chill bros.
Wastelander:uhhhhhhhhhhhhh but they got good loot
FEV can be cured using Lorenzo Cabot's Mysterious Serum. If you give one of those to Virgil instead of Virgil's Serum, Virgil will become human again just like giving him his Serum. Virgil's Serum being able to cure Virgil is not necessarily an example of FEV being curable since Virgil's Serum is specially designed for Virgil's biology. But Lorenzo's Serum is not specifically designed for anything.
But if Vim can be use to sanitise mutants instead of just turning them into humans, maybe they will be more willing to become humans? When you cure Virgil even though Strong is relatively sane, he says that it is a dishonour to want to be cured as a super mutant (or something like that).
This brings up an interesting state of affairs for humanity. If somehow we were able to manufacture Lorenzo's Serum and get Vim operational again, we could cure all the super mutants and have everyone living forever, radiation free.
But what about feral ghouls? Is there really no cure?
The Space Wizard Well, it is kinda hard to fix a rotting out brain.
Ferals are basically zombies. They do not have a brain anymore, and are just raw nervesystems dragging around half-corpse bodies that basically can't die on their own. You could never "cure" them. I doubt their DNA is even intact enough to clone the original person. You could however PREVENT ghouls from GOING feral, as well as possibly heal their damaged bodies. Maybe.
*****
If you don't destroy the institute Virgil might be able to go back to his lab (after curing him with Lorenzo's serum) so he can work on it further.
Since Lorenzo lives forever and he was adequately restrained in Parsons it wouldn't be hard for the Institute to do the same to him. The institute would have no moral issues with locking him up and exploiting him given what they already do.
For field testing the Institute could use the puppet Mayor in Diamond City to distribute the new serum to local super mutants (perhaps through a Syringer armed by the DC guards?)
To distribute it further we would have to use the Minutemen since the BoS and Railroad are to die if the Institute must be left alive. The Minutemen could be supported by armies of synths, though I think many among them might have some problems with that.
As for releasing it into the water, it could cure the mutated sea life but it could also make them more dangerous, the Vim could be Captain's Blend which might make the sea life less hostile.
However, we're not trying to give everyone unlimited life here, this serum should be reserved for cure only so releasing it in such abundance with no control is probably a bad idea.
Now, if letting the Institute operate like this might be too ethically damning so maybe Virgil could find a way to exploit Lorenzo's magic headgear and so find out how to synthesise his blood, then he could work with the Railroad to secretly cure specially targeted mutant populations.
Magic Gonads my reaction weeks after beating the game was "why couldn't we just use vault 81 cure or serum to father
! ! Or the institute could have done something with him. Turn him into robobrain, synth. Or cure him.
It is good to know that, despite Fallout-USA being a dystopian hellhole with corporate warfare, corruption and violence in simple businesses, there were still companies that just did their job. Vim! is a wonderful example. They would have been happy with just sitting in Maine and probably the bordering states and distribute their beverages, probably with a nice little slogan and an ad campaign for the regions. They would have what they already own, keep the workers' morale up, the company running and make some new drinks once in a while.
But no, Nuka Cola needs to own everything, twists the mind of a Vim! employee and sabotages a (compared to them) small company to the point that workers fear for their lives, and the corrupted employee considers going on an armed rampage at her workplace.
Kind of sad, if you ask me.
Also relevant, but not related:
How to cure FEV: Get a proper and clean Laboratory, a buttload of Vim! and get Virgil to work on it (He probably memorized a few things from the Institute), and BAM! You have a cola-based medicine to cure it, and only need to place a few barrels filled with it in Super Mutant-occupied areas. These guys eat everything, so I assume that applies to drinking as well.
Good.
Kinda shot Virgil
I'm going to build a Vim lab in one of my settlements!
Oxhorn, you have just doomed yourself to drinking a seafood soda.
I TAKE IT ALL BACK!
fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Aubrey_Copland, also ill make the seafood soda if someone sends me the real oringal soda
Xander Arizona I've tried that captain's blend, but the taste is kind of "fishy"
"took a rocket launcher and attack the bottling plant."
Oh, corporate squabbles. How quaint.
I love how you cover all the lore that other youtubers don't
"The storyteller" used to be very good at it with all the Fallout games before Fallout 4. They kinda lost steam with Fallout 4 but you should give them a watch too.
New Vegas is already very covered and widely known. Why didn't they do FO4.
#NeverLied
what's lore?
Fredrico rico stay in school little man
Vim cola - Cures FEV bloodlust
Vim captains blend - Makes mirelurks see you as a friend
Nuka cola - Gives you radiation sickness
Guys, I think we chose the wrong soda company to support.
Well, yeah. F.E.V. can be cured, Virgil proved that. He also retained his sanity as did a few assorted Super mutants in previous games. I there was even a Super Mutant companion named Marcus who was quite sane and even a nice guy if you were accepting of him in the original Fallout from Black Isle studios. Uncle Leo from Fallout 3 also comes to mind. So, there's no reason F.E.V. can't be either cured completely or it's negative effects removed. The big question is how?
Marcus was a Mariposa super mutant which is a different strain of the FEV virus which made anyone who was of mostly pure blood more intelligent than average humans. However if a person had been exposed to high amounts of radiation or a weaker form of FEV they would become really stupid if they became a super mutant. Also the Mariposa strain wasn't very consistent and sometimes when someone was exposed, they would turn into a ghoul-like creature like Harold or if exposed for long periods of time (months) It would turn a person into and immobile yet highly intelligent creature like the Master.
What about Fawkes? Fawkes was great.
Actually, I've noticed most main Fallout games appear to have a new FEV strain in it. Like the Mariposa strain, the Vault 81 strain, and the Institute strain which is the one Virgil has.
Arkady Rex This is true. Actually there are multiple institute strains. Swan, for example, was one of their early experiments and through various computer entrys it's established that the institute kept refining the virus through at least a couple of iterations before their research stagnated. But I was pointing out that no version of F.E.V. turned 100% of the Super Mutants into nothing but violent idiots. Even Strong possesses some rudimentary cunning and the ability to restrain himself. If anyone can resist a virus successfully it's at least possible to cure it even if only by making a serum from the resistant individual's blood. Virgil even says flat out it'll take years but he thinks he can generalize the cure that worked on him.
If you think about it a little the conclusion is that human settlements should even look out for sane super mutants and invite them to live with them. Of course the human fear and hate - which is totally reasonable for like 99.9% of the mutants that are violent human meat craving cruel monsters. But for the sane ones? They would make the most valuable individuals of the settlement! Of course their insane strength is helpful for a lot of work, the way they are feared would make them great security to stop outsiders from doing stuff but the most value able would be the complete resistance to radiation. They could actually carry out all those nuclear waste barrels, decontaminate the area from radiative gerbil or remove the ridiculous reactors from cars and trucks and maybe could even put those into a save enclosure to harvest all the energy remaining. Hypothetically spoken. Since - you know: even with Drumpf it is still phantasy :D
I live in Maine and I actually live on the island far harbor is based on. They didn't get much of the island right, but they got enough of it right for things to look vaguely familiar, like I can tell where I'm suppose to be but it doesn't look quite right.
I'm from Pittsburgh and I feel the same way about the Pitt. Weird lol
My brother and I own a cabin up in Hartland on Moose Lake. Bethesda definitely nailed the look and feel of Maine for sure…minus all the radiation of course 😆
We live in Massachusetts outside Boston and the same goes for the main game. It’s not a 1:1 of the Boston area, but it’s pretty accurate in places.
I'm from NB, right next to Maine. I totally would brew you a bottle, but poisoning my fav Fallout youtuber seems like a bad idea...
Hello Maritimer. I guess New Brunswicker?
NB- New Brunswick
Boi i live in maine
@@benderis_great7109 same
And could you made a Marine Armor for tourism?
*chick is leaning on a spitfire*
"biplane pilot".
FEV isn't a word, it's and acronym for Forced Evolutionary Virus and each letter is said individually F.E.V (think IRS rather than NATO)
If I were mispronouncing or just pronouncing something weird I would be grateful if someone pointed it out to me in a calm, respectful manor.
neo bear But what about NASA or SCUBA? They're acronyms too but they're read as words instead of individual letters.
PsychoNerd92 I acknowledged that some are said like that. in the games however, it is said like IRS, not NATO
I thought we were talking about FEV.
Johnny Cage I am just using IRS and NATO as examples.
So Oxhorn, did you ever get to taste a Captain's Blend sent to you ? :D
Biplane pilot...? Lol
Dude, that's a Spitfire.
A WW2 Monoplane.
A Typical RUclipsr exactly
A Typical RUclipsr His logic: "Look! It has a propeller! It must be a bi-plane!"
dude, big deal. its a plane, its got wings, and "biplane" is a close enough term for a video about a fictional soda company.
123nick Never made a big deal about it, I just found it funny.
i sorta meant that more directed at Itzthepandarealtor
Mirelurk: I push you to victory!
Player: mk.
I think I can actually make Vim's Captain's Blend. If I do it, I will send you some, and take you up on your offer to drink it on camera.
Gah no I was joking! :P
wuss!
Call Sign Looney sounds fun I would probably try it I have a pretty strong stomach
I grew up in maryland, I LOVE lobster and crab. nuff said
How was it, did anyone try it?
"Biplane"? Where the hell did you find a biplane in the advertising campaign of Vim Cola?
maybe he seen the stingray deluxe fighter plane thing and confused it as a monoplane and thought the advert for the vim cola was a biplane? maybe he dosnt know at all? the monoplane is quite a new invention i tell you, its only been around since like 1904 it takes at least 120 years for people to start recognizing it
Are you getting these monoplane facts from the game or irl? Because if IRL, the Monoplane only came around in the late 1920s early 1930s.
The Fokker Eindecker (a popular early monoplane) came around in 1915, so you're both wrong.
Blackburn First Monoplane 1909 one of the very first monoplanes, Get your facts right
you sir are about 11 - 21 years off when the monoplanes came about, there were plenty of monoplanes in exsitance in ww1
Love how they add back stories to some of the buildings in the game, you explained the Vim back story very well (: thanks
>biplane
>single wing
>not a monoplane
>its a biplane
fam
Stephen Butler it is called a biplane because of its two engines, not the wings. And that plane only had one engine.
Where are you getting that false information Plus Awe? "A biplane is a fixed-wing aircraft with two main wings stacked one above the other. The first powered, controlled aeroplane to fly, the Wright Flyer, used a biplane wing arrangement, as did many aircraft in the early years of aviation."
There are also triplanes.
Plus Awe Fam I don't even know how to explain how incorrect that is.
Google.
Stephen Butler, please take your own advice and Google "biplane". Your original reply was incorrect. "Bi" = "2". "Mono" = "1". The billboard pic shows a single wing format. Meaning the 2 separate wings on either side are on the same geometric plane, thus, the plane would be considered a *single engine "mono" airplane* (stars to show that this is a single title).
K McD I KNOW ITS A MONOPLANE YOU FUCKING TARD. I AM WELL FUCKING AWARE. THE ENTIRE POINT OF MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS TO POINT THAT OUT.
If yall Fallout fans want to make Pre War NukaCola the recipe is...
1/3 cup of cream soda
1/3 cup Mountain Dew
1/3 cup of Coca Cola
Oxhorn make it and drink it in a video ive made it i think its great.
XxMotoGuyxX what about the radiation? It was put into the drinks.
Peacekeeper141 1 mg of uranium/radium for extra taste!
XxMotoGuyxX nuke cola has several fruit flavors.
Peacekeeper141 that's only quantum
XxMotoGuyxX where I can get cream soda?
I have been getting really annoyed with lore videos and stuff lately, not just fallout 4. But yours, really have drawn me in, I like the way you present it and I enjoy that you go into detail and don't repeat yourself a dozen times to pad your episodes. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching!
Oxhorn keep up the work. U deserve more subs
Hey Oxhorn, I found the red Vim power armor, but where did you find that green one?
Annoyed???
What about Shoddycast? They made great lore videos on the Fallout series. They also made lore videos on the Elder Scroll series.
Has anyone actually sent you a bottle of this stuff yet? lo
No, thank God!
+Oxhorn Ill make you some and send it to you if you like
Do it!
OMG YES I WANT TO SE THAT! XD
If I still lived in Maine, I would. Not sure if you've had it, but Moxxie cola is nasty even without those extra ingredients.
Im happy to see that finally there is a company that isnt corrupted whatsoever, since even finding a not super corrupted company like hallucigen and vault tec is hard already. Sadly, the corrupted company places an agent and destroys it, which is sad because it means even if a company isnt corrupted, it gets attacked by a corrupted company
Aubrey punched Alex in the face because Aubrey is a Keemstar supporter...
kyleboiv no it's cuz he likes pepsi
Okay......
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
- Keemstar
Also, wouldn't FEV+Sanity be better than curing it outright?
if you like being strong but ugly
And sterile... and too big to fit in a LOT of doorways... and immortal (downside, but too many think it's an upside)... the ability to take a lot of hits and laugh off radiation is a nice perk though.
Yeah I'd choose it for the longevity.
@@maledwarfwarrior it's a major upside in a prosperous world like ours. I would give anything to be able to follow humanity's ever increasing scientific understanding and technological might.
I think their is one problem, super mutant keep mutating. It goes until they become behemoths. Tho the vim would allow them to keep their sanity (the mutation into a behemoth really screws their minds), but they would continue to get bigger. I'm not 100 percent sure on how true the continued mutation thing works. If i'm right then then sane mutant would keep getting bigger until their giant or collapse on themselves.
an American bloke said pub... I've seen everything to see I can die happy.
oh so I'll step down from the balcony
Edgy.
***** Quite A Spicy Meme
Lol I'm in Texas and we have pubs, a bar is where you go to get drunk and play pool while shitty music plays in the background. A pub is where you go after a long day at work, get a nice drink, relax, and have a nice time.
We all say pub. America is a melting pot of different cultures and slang. We have pubs and bars.
Mierlurks are mutated horseshoe crabs
Willem Preston At least the one's in the Capital Wasteland. The one's in Vegas are all Turtles. The FO4 are kind of like shrimps.
There's at least 4 different types in main FO4. The commons and softshells seem to be horseshoes. Hunters are some kind of shrimp, like lobsters or prawns. Queens could just be bigger commons, but Kings are more like hybrids. Like maybe some FEV-type mutation made humans into nest guardians.
"Mirelurk" refers to mutated crustaceans as a whole, e.g. Hunters are mutated lobsters
Adding to this thread, I think the Queens are supposed to be spider crabs or something.
That isn't a biplane. Probably a Grumman, Mustang, or Spitfire. Maybe a Corsair or something. But not a biplane.
Open top canopy monoplane, prolly P-26 or some kind of stunt plane.
[Edit]: Checked the high res pic, it looks like P-47D Thunderbolt with bubble canopy.
Keith Rockel Not a corsair, or any German craft, most likely a spitfire or P-51
Heliox4PL True, but the canopy could be pulled open
Itzthepandarealtor Judging by the shape of the canopy (full glass bubble), tail and wings its most likely P-47D as spitfires were rarely used by Americans and you have to remember that Fallout's America is isolationist and nationalist to the max. Well there's a thing tho Fallout 4 deviates from original Fallout plot outlined in Fallout Bible by a large margain. But yeah most likely P-47D-28.
But the Thunderbolts have four propellers. From the arraignment of the propellers you can tell it doesn't have four, but three. Typical of Early-Mid Spitfires. And, bare in mind the Fallout timeline only differs from ours after the end of WW2. America did occasionally use Spitfires, just like the British occasionally used Mustangs.
You can take the big Vim from the fountain. 0:18
Only a year later, and it's obvious how much you've improved. You're doing great Ox, but I know you're going to get better and better. Nice job mate.
wouldnt be suprised if bethesda banked on the whole pop game and liscened nuka to be sold by coca cola and vim by pepsi
half of the people would not get the vim cola and also I bet pepsi and cola would not wqnt to make a deal with bethesda if bethesta would want to go to their competition
Vim would be coke as coke owns moxxi which is what vim is based on
Soooo we all forgot Jones Soda made Quantum for FO4 release?
I know this was five months ago but the flavor for the jones soda quantum already existed it was just in a different bottle
Yea but Pepsi then would be commie cuz around Asia Pepsi sales spiked so...yea... KILL PEPSI
we get to have a chat with good old grun*opens door and kills the mutant*.
As always, excellent detective work! I usually get snipets as I play but hadn't put the whole story with Vim together. I haven't stumbled into the rocket attack girl's hideout yet but I did wander into an improvised radio tower way up in the mountains in Far Harbor (I want to say its southwest of the Vim factory?) where I got the Vim recipes. They were in a little wrecked trailer with the radio equipment.
mmm. Gotta love that lobster pop. I was disappointed when you get the Nuka Cola formula you don't get the ability to craft it the way you do with Vim!
Well it's a nice conversation piece at least, even if it is just locked up in my safe on the prydwen
"yeah it taste a little fishy, but it's kinda good."
*Sounds like my ex*
Sheeeeiit
@@sh4312 Shiiiiet
Holup
Give me a few weeks. I'll make you some captains blend
No no I was joking!
Oxhorn woah you replied
Oxhorn to late
nick bishop do it. I wanna see it
Take some Moxie, put some fish oil in it. Done.
Mirelurk: Aaattaaaaaaaack! (Gets close to Player)
Mirelurk: aaaack-- Tippy tap tap, Dats all folks!
So I guess the milk of human kindness was really the soda of human kindness.
Thank you for all your amazing videos and especially how descriptive you are with them, I listen to them at work and can’t actually watch them but it’s like having a fallout audiobook and it’s amazing, thank you oh very much and please keep it up
shes actually an escape to adventure monoplane pilot
Looks specifically like a spitfire, which is an odd choice for an adventure plane, being a single seat fighter with no storage compartments for survival gear, and a very small fuel tank, early models only staying airborne for a measly twenty minutes.
That's all fine when you're dogfighting at 2000 feet, but I'd want something I could put my gear into, and you know, actually fly around for long times.
You can't really adventure that much when you gotta land and refuel every twenty minutes to an hour, and if you get out of the plane and go about on foot, you wouldn't have any gear except maybe a pistol and a small suitcase of stuff you managed to fit in the canopy.
The Arctic Gamer It looked more like a hurricane to me because of the small bubble cockpit window and the slope down to the tail. But hurricanes were very similar.
Actually the spitfire had the bubble, the hurricane had the more enclosed canopy.
The shape of the tail section and the position of the wings really gives it away though.
The spitfire has a straight rear fuselage towards the tail, and a sloped back tail, while the Hurricane has a hunched back and a rounded tail.
The Arctic Gamer I got the hurricane and the spitfire confused sorry my bad
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At least you thought it through and admitted the mistake, you'd be amazed how many people I've talked to about similar topics who are incredibly wrong but insist even when given overwhelming evidence to the contrary that I'm wrong and an idiot.
No need to apologize, for me admission of a mistake is more than enough.
Anyone remember the Killer Coke boycott of the early 2000s? That level of espionage and intimidation has real world corollaries !
Not a biplane... That is a monoplane.
Specifically a racing mono-plane.
Robert du Bois specifically a spitfire
It does look like a spitfire from this angle doesn't it? The forward windscreen is wrong though.
Chad with Japanese markings
Spitfire Mk.V
Moxie. The "I dare you to drink a whole bottle without gagging" soda. I remember it well... (shudder)
Why not just like rename it as 'Vim Crystal' cause that sounds a lot better too
It was already out on shelves as VIm Quartz. Tho i'm not sure how hard it is to change the name of a soda type.
@@frozenlizard7738 not too hard, I think coca-cola had a similar situation with crystal Pepsi actually, but instead Coca-cola discontinued it because Pepsi created crystal first
Madison is a part of the "glad they died horribly" camp.
I had never found Aubrey's bunker so always just assumed Nuka cola had slipped faulty info to China that vim! was part of of something military XD
I wouldn't even put that past Nuka Cola.
I truly believe that eventually, Nuka Cola would have adquiered Vim if it weren't for the war.
Anyways, imagine nuke bombs dropping and your first instinct is "Imma missile launch these mfs"
Another well done video, a quick question though will you be doing Skyrim remastered videos and still keep up with fallout videos as well?
I may do a touch of Skyrim here and there, but I am focusing on Fallout for the moment.
TrippyApollo 4859 love the vids ox
2:06 that is not a biplane it's a P-51c or a spitfire because the cockpits are kinda similar
That's not a biplane, it's a monoplane. It only has one wing.
You should definitely be able to find the smart super mutant
At first I was under the impression that Vim was the Fallout universes equivalent of Pepsi.
***** I have fond Moxie cola in specialty stores outside of Maine. Assuming that Nuka cola is that universes equivalent of Coke. Then what is there equivalent of Pepsi?
***** Wow! I never noticed that. Thanks.
Could be sunset saspirilla you can really only find that out west in new vegas probably other pre war states also nuka cola never really had a presence in the west just like sunset never really had a presence in the east ive heard in the deep south you cant really find pepsi thats my theory anyway but who knows i have 50/50 chance one way or the other
Kdawg 244 I live in the South, and you can only really get Pepsi(not Coke) is in some restaurants. At gas stations and stuff like that I at least really only find Coke.
Pepsi has taken over Southern restaurants like Coke has taken over the West. They both can be found in both regions, and they've largely bought up all of the little guys along the way. What Coke has done to the Shasta formulas is downright criminal. They put artificial sweeteners into all of the many flavors to make them "semi-diet" like Pepsi One, or whatever. Shasta now gives me splitting headaches, if I can get past the taste. "Goodbye Black Cherry Cola. I shall remember you fondly." :{
Been watching since the Short Shorts days. Love these videos Ox and now and then I go back to watch the old stuff. Still very funny to me.
Just Subbed! Because of these amazing Fallout 4 lore videos!
Thanks Chris!
I usually find Mirelurks creepy due to how they run at you but watching you consume the captain's blend while standing near one actually has me finding them a little adorable. 😂😂😂❤️
Guy gets punched by girl and girl successfully convinces media that the guy assaulted her first? Sounds like our internet in a nutshell
A little late to the party, but I have a theory as to why the Captain's Blend might have had that effect on a super mutant. The Omega-3's in the fish would have likely helped repair Erikson's neurons, thereby allowing him a more human level of cognition and behavior. Growing up, my parents (and grandparents) always called fish "brain food."
I like how you said biplane when it's a monoplane
Gahlok12 I mean, it's got two wings am I right? lol
1:35 Oi mate that’s a bloody Spitfire, a flippin’ monoplane.
Aubrey is traditionally a male name. In present times in the U.S. it is used as a female name, similar to the effect that Madison is often used as a female name now, despite its meaning being a complete contradiction when given to a girl (son of...). That being said, it is far more likely to be a male character, given that the writers in Fallout use a lot of references from the past and prior to the 1970s and 1980s, most if not all Aubrey's in history were men.
Thanks for the tip!
It might be a girl too though-
Someone in the comments pointed out in an apartment there were the skeletons of two women hugging eachother and some other stuff-
And also Far Harbor has a gay character found at one point, so they might have put more than just one-
We may never know for sure tho
12:19 i think I completely missed this part. Thanks Ox.
I think the mutant is Erickson
Guess I was right
Did any one ever send him that soda to drink? That would have been hilarious.
Does Moxie taste good? I live in Virginia so I wouldn't know.
Elijah Jackson most of my family lives in Maine that's where I grew up and yes moxie is most definitely an acquired taste its primary ingredient is a root extract that gives it a very bitter and pungent flavor most definitely unlike any conventional soda
Elijah Jackson. a good portion of my family drinks it. personally I used to hate it though it's really not as bad as I remember...it has a very distinct aftertaste and because that drinking more is the only way to help that lol it has a cult following here in NH as well as ME and MA and because that things like Moxie jelly exist which is actually pretty good XD also Moxie frappes are pretty good...but yeah totally an acquired taste
that depends you either love it or you hate it i prsonally love it though its quite bitter you might be able to find it i live in PA
Elijah Jackson Definitely an acquired taste, at first you will either hate it and never pick it up again or never get enough of it. It took me awhile to end up enjoying it, at that point I could never stop drinking it.
Moxie has a tart taste, it's different than coke or pepsi. You can order it from the Moxie website.
Soooo..this "Captain's Blend" is raw fish in a a bottle... wait a minute this stuff is sushi you can drink? This is fuckin genius I approve this brand!
Will you actually drink the sofa if I send it
Soda
Noooo I was joking :)
I will happily :)
Neil muffler I'll drink the sofa, but not the soda.
Neil muffler I'll drink the sofa AND the soda
Oh the nostalgia. I remember getting home from school and seeing this video notification.
Stop whining about it not being a biplane and thank Oxhorn for the video.
I think I have it! FEV is curable by fish oil!!!! LOL
Ironically if you look up fish oil, one of the things its supposed to be good for is "mood health" LOL I guess so if it curbs Supermutant agression! ;)
I thought mirelurks were mutated horse shoe crabs.
Josh Smillon Depends on which type of mirelurk or game your playing actually in FO3 the mirelurk hunter is indeed a horseshoe crab while in FO4 the mirelurk hunter is a crayfish or something like that.
Jay Sayavongsone .... I think that the MireLurk Hunters are Lobsters but you could be right about them being Crayfish
Josh Smillon they are
3:27 I've tried Moxie. Maybe it's an aquired taste or something, but to me those ingredients are what it tastes of... or maybe it's my galactic sized sweet-tooth rebeling against the least amount of bitterness in anything... probably the latter...
We're is the bunker from the nuka cola agent
Just north-west of the Vim! Factory, along the road.
Oxhorn thx man I think your awesome and I was in your stream yesterday my twitch name is kingdemonsr
Vim actually reminds me of vault, its a pop made by 7 up or coke, but they discontinued it. My dad has a shirt for it
sorry man, but the VIM! girl is in front of an early ww2 style of design monoplane
Rock and roller cola wars I can’t take it anymore
Vim! Is my favourite fallout soda.
the pilot girl look less gaudy than the space girl. imo
wayfairing wisdom agreed
( throws all my nuka co last on my shelf at plattfitzen) and yes I have a shelf with all nuka cola types on it
Dale Hardiman thats.............Pretty cool
I love moxie practically grew up on that shit so I was happy to see the reference to it
nice video oxhorn could you do a nuka cola story video
That video would be LONG. Great idea, though.
Evil Taco nuka cola bottling plant
"Biplane pilot" leaning on the tail of a monoplane
We need a mod that lets us shoot Vim soda at Super Mutants that makes them non-hostile. Make them recruitable to settlements and make them guards or dog breeders or cooks.
6:54 #MeToo incident in Fallout
As for the story of the nuka lady and vim lady, I think they were both women (lesbians) because in one of the building apartments there is a room of two women in a bed holding each other. figure one of them got a room after attacking vim cola company and stayed there to hide. is was two women in dresses.
the side effects of captains blend just makes it more immersive
Your ammo never goes down
Yes, I am wielding the Aeternus, which does not consume ammo
Oxhorn is that gun a mod and if not where can I find it?
I am pretty sure he does a video on it, it's a rare drop from the repeating "Amoral Combat" quest near the end of the Nuka World quest line. One of the "challengers" will be holding it if you are lucky.
Chef Burns look into the discription :)
i usually tgm my way in.
Oxhorn, a biplane has two wings, one above the other. The plane in the vim logo is a monoplane. The plane design (single wing design) in the vim logo is a sport plane, which was adapted/evolved later into fighter planes in the 1940's and used by the USAAC and RAF.
not a biplane
Don't assume the plane's sexuality.
I'm 100% convinced "or maybe I'll put a plaid shirt in there" is a reference to a million ways to die in the west and no one can change my mind
if i make a brew and carbonate it will you really drink it.....
No, I can't stand lobster!
+Oxhorn I have a name for her, the VIM ace; escape to a VIMventure.
that's good. That'd be a good way to get poisoned.
Ew piss....
Alexander Watty I like it.
It’s hilarious that Captain’s Blend is like a cologne for sea creatures. The quality of the terminal entries in Far Harbor was excellent!