The Rise and Tragic Fall of Henry VIII's Third Queen : Jane Seymour
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Step back in time to the Tudor era and uncover the captivating story of Jane Seymour, the woman who rose from the shadows of Anne Boleyn to become the third wife of King Henry VIII. In this intriguing video, explore the intricate web of Tudor politics and romance as Jane Seymour's journey unfolds.
From her humble beginnings as a lady-in-waiting to Queen Catherine of Aragon to catching the eye of the notorious Henry VIII, Jane Seymour's path to the throne was filled with twists and turns. Learn about the courtly intrigues, whispers of courtship, and the dramatic events that led to Jane's betrothal and eventual marriage to the king.
Discover the contrasting personalities of Jane and Anne Boleyn, as well as the role Jane played in Henry's quest for a male heir. Delve into the mysteries surrounding Jane's brief but impactful reign as queen consort, and the tragic circumstances of her untimely death just days after giving birth to the long-awaited prince.
Uncover Jane Seymour's enduring legacy as the mother of King Edward VI and her place in Tudor history, from her motto "Bound to obey and serve" to her portrayal in the Tudor dynasty's iconic family portrait. Join me as I unravel the enigmatic tale of Jane Seymour, a woman who captured the heart of a king and left an indelible mark on English history. #JaneSeymour #TudorHistory #HenryVIII #SixWives
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She died before Henry got bored. He romanticized Jane because, being dead, she couldn't disappoint him.
Jane was just as ambitious as Anne and played Henry like a fiddle. She knew what she wanted and went for it.
She knew how to play it.
If she lived she might have even produced a spare to the heir, further cementing the strength of her queen ship. There definitely would not have been any other wives.
No more wives would've been a good thing especially in the case of Catherine Howard who may have gotten a chance at life and even happiness.
Anne of Cleves could've made a more successful marriage match and Catherine Parr could've married Thomas Seymour earlier after the death of her second husband Neville
Fall? Jane just kinda died. Since she had that son, had she lived, she would never have been discarded. If Catherine or Anne had a son, they would not have been discarded.
Likely Puerperal Fever. In medieval childbirth, a little neglect goes a long way.
If she had lived she probably would have lived to see her son the King die.
Yeah she never fell unlike Anne
What?@@RiseeRee
I guess that goes with her phoenix badge. She died of fever, but had a newborn son that metaphorically rose from the ashes.
I find Jane the most alusive of his wives, it's hard to know who she was. What is pretty clear is she was raised to do what she was told, and was used to advance the family at court. They must have felt they won the jackpot.
That the undue haste exercised in the fall of the Boleyns was possibly due to Henry having started a sexual relationship with Jane was something I had never considered. Yet, the positioning of Edward Seymour in the Greenwich apartments, would provide the means and opportunity for Henry to carry out an affair in private (or as private as possible in the Tudor Court). Many thanks Claire for this thought provoking broadcast. - Elizabeth Cumming.
Aside from Katherine of Aragon, I honestly wonder if any of Henry’s wives actually loved him or if they were all pawns of their family?
Henry would have dumped her had she not provided an heir.
What Henry wanted Henry got. Her motto was "obey and server". I guess they were together before Ann died.
I have always disliked Jane Seymour. Maybe I read Karen Lindsey's book, Divorced Beheaded Survived too many times, but Lindsey did point out something interesting about Anne Boleyn's fall/Jane Seymour's rise. It was different from Henry's treatment of Katherine of Aragon in that first, Anne, unlike Katherine, was still young enough to conceive again, AND it was made clear, at some point that Anne Boleyn was not merely to be discarded, but killed.
Another thing that sticks out is Jane's rise came because she was part of the conservative religious faction at court - i.e. Catholic traditionalists - and was coached in her words and behavior to present herself to the King, primarily by her brothers Edward and Thomas. Pretty hypocritical, considering how much Edward and Thomas influenced England going fully Protestant.
I really want to read that book. Maybe this year’s Christmas present to myself.
It's a great read, isn't it? We know so little about Jane really. It's frustrating.
@@--enyo-- The full title is Divorced Beheaded Survived, a Feminist Reinterpretation of the Wives of Henry VIII. The author, Karen Lindsey, skewers Henry, a LOT. Favorite quote, with regards to Anne of Cleves:
"If the story of Henry's first two marriages, are high tragedy, with Henry as the ruthless destroyer of two strong, but ultimately helpless women, that of his fourth is broad comedy. The narcissistic buffoon foiled by a woman with common sense."
I have never felt Jane was a schemer. I always thought the schemers would have been her male relatives.
Henry is supposed to have said to someone---I forget who---that he did not think that he and Jane would have children. This would have been shortly after their marriage, and could explain why he was moving to get his illegitimate son Henry Fitzroy named as his legal heir. If Jane had already miscarried, it would explain his belief that she would give him no children. But there could be other explanations as well (how about increasing impotency; Jane didn't get pregnant with Edward immediately after the marrriage). Interesting to wonder what was going on in Henry's devious mind--- was he preparing the way to discard Jane too if she didn't give him a son pretty quickly? I wouldn't put it past him.
I do wonder what he would have done if Jane had given him another daughter and then had problems conceiving him or went on to give him yet another daughter.
Such a difficult figure to analyse. Jane is such an enigma 🤔
Thank you for such an interesting, well-delivered presentation!
Thank you!
And I remember a point that was made while I was watching the Netflix series “Reign” that was all about Mary, Queen of Scots. I don’t know if it was true but the series had Mary of Guise saying that although Henvy VIII had solicited Mary of Guise as a wife, Mary was never foolish enough to have anything to do with Henry or his court.😊
Oh, I never heard of Jane described as being proud and haughty before. Perhaps she was just quiet and introverted. People who are quiet are often mistaken as being aloof and cold and as we know Chapuys was not always the best judge of character.
Really enjoyed this ,love your lovely measured voice, a treat for a cold wet rainy night in Dorset. I am a Jayne but with a Y and was fascinated as a little girl that a Queen of England was called Jane. I am an Anne Boleyn girl at heart, even my wedding dress was called Anne Boleyn. Thank you for your work❤
Thank you!
She was related to Ann Boleyn but there is no evidence (I believe) of how she felt about her cruel end. She just followed her family's advice in managing the king appropriately. Other than bearing a son for Henry, I do not have any deep impression of her. One of my history teachers of yore once told the class 'that Henry truly loved her'... but did he. I think he lovingly remembered her but that is not the same thing at all.
My personal opinion of Jane is of a woman of the time who did what her parents and male relatives told her to do. How did she treat her servants BTW?
If Jane had survived, and delivered Henry a spare, hmmmm...... interesting, as there may have been no Queen Mary, nor Queen Elizabeth, and no Stuarts. Would we then have had the Hanovers? I do enjoy the intrigue of what if's.
I never considered that Jane may have been pregnant when she married Henry so not sure about that, but she seemed to be rather chaste from what I’ve heard so thinking not.
I do wonder if she had lived and not produced a living son if she would have eventually been discarded or beheaded for some fabricated reason too.
I always enjoy your videos. They’re very informative, and I always appreciate how carefully you research the material, before creating the video.
Jane Seymour is my least favorite of Henry’s wives. I considered it cold hearted to marry the king just days after her predecessor was murdered. But who knows if she really was cold hearted or if she was a pawn, doing what she was ordered to do. Saying no to the king was deadly.
Thank you!
I think she was used as a pawn by family and supporters. She could do very little on her own, and had to follow advice of those who knew how to read the situation correctly. All of Henry’s wives were pretty much trapped with him, and could do very little on their own.
Here's a "what if" question. What if Jane had not provided the "male heir"? If the child had been a girl & Jane died or if she never had a living child? What would Henry have done? Would things maybe have been better for Mary? Is there a chance someone else would have had the throne?
I really like that “what if “scenario you came up with. It’s a very interesting twist!
It's so hard to say, isn't it? Perhaps Henry would have taken mistresses and then legitimised a son they had, who knows? Or perhaps he would have annulled that marriage too and risked being the laughing stock of Europe.
And my other opinion is this: I don’t know what exactly was wrong with Henry VIII and I have heard and read a lot about him. I don’t think he would have stayed happy with Jane either although the fact she bore him a son would probably have kept her alive. It gives me definate pleasure to hear that Henry’s ghost walks at Dean’s Cloister, Windsor groaning and dragging his diseased leg. Those poor women who were his wives NEVER deserved the way they were treated by Henry.
Yes, I think Jane was pregnant when they got married so hurriedly. I've thought this for a while. Anne was her model in more ways than one.
Never even thought that, but that is interesting that she might have been. I just always thought Henry was so in love with her that he just wanted to hurry up and marry her.
Hard to know if Jane was pregnant or if Henry was just wanting to hurry up his next marriage. I feel very sorry for all of his wives they had little say in the matter of whether they could or could not marry him. I think the shock of Anne Boleyn's death has made many people turn against Jane feeling in some way that she was responsible, yet I think she like all of the wives were only doing what they were bidden to do.
Plus it didn’t help that she hated Anne and all she stood for and banished anything French. Plus the fact that for such an “innocent” she was probably as arrogant as Anne was said to have been. The only thing good I can say about her is that she brought the 2 daughters back from disgrace. Other than that, I think she’s a snake in the grass. 😊
@@ProudKansan08 I didn't know that you actually knew what was going on at that time in history, you must have been there to make such a noble statement.
I like Jane a lot, she may have not been book smart, but girl knew how to read a room. Portraying herself as the polar opposite as Anne despite, seemingly knowing damn well what she was doing. She reconciled Henry with Mary at a time when Mary was kinda in hot water for her long refusal to accept Henry as head of the church. I also don't think she was ditzy and naive, I think she's an underestimated potential survivor. Like, genuinely, people say "she didn't live long enough for Henry to get sick of her," but in what universe would Henry VIII want to get rid of the women's that made his heir? No way in hell would Henry delegitimize the heir he so desperately wanted. I don't think Jane's as meek as people think, she knew how to get the king's attention, knew how to lead him on and is described as "proud and haughty." That's an insult back in the day, but now? I think it communicates someone who was very self-aware and confident in her goals. The only reason she comes off as submissive is 1. To purposefully contrast herself from Anne and 2. To not risk her head before she's sure she's in a stable position. This is not her being weak. This is her being smart at a time when being queen was far more volatile than it ever had been before. I think if she hadn't died in childbirth, she straight-up would've made it to the end and maybe even encouraged Henry to make the country Catholic again.
I'm convinced she was terrified the entire marriage.
What awful people, really.
I always wondered how aware Anne was about his infatuation....
I think she was aware. There was certainly some gossip as early as January 1536 as one account of her miscarriage has her laying some of the blame on her concerns over Henry and Jane.
@@anneboleynfiles Wow!! What a life she led. The stress! PS I love your channel and I'd love to hear about the books in your collection. Have you ever done a video about them?
@@NYCEllieMonster thank you! I've done a fair few videos on my book shelves over on the Tudor Society. You could do a search on that site.
@@anneboleynfiles Oh I will do so now! Thanks again - it's a PLEASURE learning from you - thank you!
Interesting video
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About the people being upset by the hasty betrothal of H&J: does that mean the people suspected foul play in the Fall of Anne Boleyn? We're generally led to believe that Anne was near-universally despised by the English people and they were glad to be rid of her. Did she have some support among the people? Did they believe she was framed?
I think the evidence we have of the pamphlets, the murmuring, the gossip etc. does point to shock and disbelief, yes. Chapuys didn't like Anne, but was very sceptical of the investigation.
Thanks Claire. Our views of these historical figures are probably warped by seeing so many versions of their lives. I see Jane Seymour as a nun who returned home because of the Dissolution. Where did I get that idea from? I don';t remember..
Hmmmm... that's an interesting idea. I assume that was in a novel??
I wonder what Jane, being a Catholic supposedly would have thought of her son’s staunch stance on Protestantism and his intolerance against the Catholic faith and his sister Mary, since Jane loved her so?
I don't believe Jane was pregnant when she and Henry married. I believe (and this is just a hunch - I have no evidence) that she was a lot smarter than she's often portrayed. I think she was smart enough to listen to those who gave her wise council about the dangers of giving in to the king's desires outside of marriage. Even if she'd fallen pregnant, there would have been every chance she'd be discarded an any male heir taken away from her. She also would have known how much Catherine had been loved and admired by the public, and how many people had less than warm feelings for Anne. I reckon she was smart enough to read the room and proceed in a way which didn't show any hint of disrespect for Catherine and, if anything, she made an effort to present herself in a way that was attractive because she was so UNLIKE Anne Boleyn.
I think if she was pregnant when they married or there was a chance of pregnancy, she would have had to miscarry and there would be a record of that. After the first 2 wives miscarriages, I can't believe there would not have been court reaction or some sort of word on how Henry took the news after he just killed one for the same reason. But I can't figure out what the rush was to wait just 1 day for betrothal and 2 weeks for marriage. Although he did commit bigamy with Anne when he couldn't get a divorce, so maybe he just wasn't going to wait this time around. I don't think he was right in the head after his jousting injury.
My thought about Jane and the power she would have over Henry is that she was either already pregnant and he was desperate for an heir or that she remained chaste (whether virgin or not) with Henry in a similar fashion to Anne. She was possibly dainty and Henry liked a dainty girl, she was more submissive appearing and wouldn't challenge Henry to think as Anne did. Although I am sure she didn't do it on purpose, she cemented her role as the one true wife of Henry by dying shortly after delivering the long awaited for prince. Times were different, highly born women were pawns, Jane was manouvered just as the Boleyn girls were but possibly had ambition of their own. Who is to know? Speculation is fun though. I would like to think all the wives had thoughts of their own in the direction of their own lives but, sadly, that may not have been true. Whatever their wishes, these wives of the king were thought provoking to modern minds.
How do you bury just a heart? In those days? Do they have a marker of sorts at the heart's plot?
It was quite normal to bury the heart and other organs in a separate place to the rest of the body. No, there's no marker there, but in other cases there were special caskets for hearts.
@@anneboleynfiles thank you!
I think he had it painted in honor of Jane.
I think the wives of Henry VIII were used as pawns by their own families. Sad, but true. IDK how these marriages (diplomatic contracts) could be viewed any other way. High born women were used in this way to strengthen the family station, as they had none of the privileges that are afforded to many women today. Even the marriage of Catherine of Aragon was a tight contract between Arthur(Henry’s brother) and Catherine herself. Their marriage was very short, as Henry looked out for Catherine (a Spanish Princess). She was essentially broke after that marriage, it was meant to solidify their 2 countries (England and Spain). What more can be said? Plenty, I’m sure. But, a true historian needs to step in to further the record… ❤❤❤
A wise man once said: "Legends know when to die." I think that fits Jane to a T.
It’s possible I guess. Didn’t Henry v11 not marry Elizabeth of York right away to see if she could conceive? Although I might have read that from Alison Wier ? Sp? So maybe there’s a bit of drama thrown in too. 😂Love your channel! ❤
Why did these Queens never learn to only take ladies-in-waiting who were older and..erm..less attractive?
There were such comments made about Anne of Cleves's ladies who came from Germany with her. "Inferior in beauty to their mistress."
They often didn't get to pick.
I have heard that some queens and other great ladies did just that.
yeah, but Jane also seemed less attractive than Anne. It was the coaching and play that made Henry want Jane.
Never been a fan of Jane, sorry. I think she was just as scheming ( if not more. She learned a lot from Anne). I dont think she was a ‘milk sop’ as I e heard her called. She didn’t really ‘fall’, she died. That made her the best of his wives. Did Henry love her ‘no, I don’t think so’. But she gave e him a son. All he ever wanted really. If she’d managed another one, her place was secured forever. To marry a man just a short while after the previous one had her head chopped off. Yuk. Sorry, my opinion only. Catherine of Aragon was his best wife, if only the poor woman had managed to birth a son. Not her fault . The next best wife would have been Anne of Cleves. Silly Henry, he missed a good chance there. Anna was born into, and raised, in a noble household ( not as high as Catherine perhaps, but noble still) . These ladies knew how to behave and proper protocol. Thank you Claire 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Yes, I think Anne of Cleves would have been a wonderful wife and queen, given the chance.
I am obsessed with Jane the way other people are obsessed with Anne.
She's a fascinating lady.
Same
11.20 am of Sunday 7 April. I'm wondering what sort of person would consent to become betrothed to a man who had repudiated his first wife and only the day before their betrothal had his previous wife beheaded. Was she a power-seeking woman or had she been pushed into the situation by her family? Was she just a very weak character or so bedazzled by the prospect of being queen of England that she was ready to turn a blind eye on all the pitfalls and take what she could???
I do wonder what sort of person Jane was and when I think about it for long enough, I do believe she wasn’t as submissive and weak as the history books tell us. I think she put on a facade so that life would become easier for her. I believe she was smart, strong and knew how to play her part better than any of the other wives (no hate to the other wives. I love them all)
Jane is my least favourite Queen, I have always thought she was a bit of a conspirator & "deep" someone who "listens in corners" & takes it all in. Although I know it's ridiculous lol as nobody can possibly know. I am not sure about the pregnancy theory, it would make sense, but somehow I doubt it. Anne has always been my favourite Queen.
You took the words from my mouth . I can’t stand Jane.
Sly and duplicitous
I just wonder how much choice she had. It's very hard to know.
I never thought about Jane being pregnant before the wedding, but it;s certainly a possibility. Actually, I never thought much about Jane Seymour at all.She didn't seem to have a lot of personality though problably was severely coached to just sit there and say "I agree, my lord" to everything he said. I think by that time Henry was too far gone to be saved by a loving little wife. If she had given him a daughter, he would have found a way to get rid of her, he now knew how to go about it. If she had lived after giving him a son - he would have no "proper" reason to get rid of her though he might've found a way when there was no spare on the way, or just because he wanted to. What the king wants, he gets. All I can think is "those poor women". I am no great fan of Philippa Gregory and her books are a mess (though she did teach me about how the wars of the roses came about, which to me, being Dutch, was always a mystery) but she does make poor little Catherine Howard say "the king wants to marry me! I am doomed! Oh no, I didn't mean that of course, what I meant was I am the happiest girl alive..."
Henry 🙄
We owe a lot to Eustis! ❤
We certainly do!
I have never come across the idea that Jane was pregnant, or considered the difference in "fall" times between Anne and Catherine Howard. It sure does beg he question, doesn't it? I think it far more likely that there was a chance she was pregnant, as opposed to Henry just being horny. In fact, when you mentioned Jane being moved to Chelsea, I thought that you were going to tell us that they had consummated their relationship. The clothes, the food, she was now the queen, and clearly something in their relationship had changed
Poor Jane died of child bed fever, had she lived she may have had more sons & Henry may have settled & a lot of people would have been saved from horrible deaths.
I'm with Chapuys on his opinion of Jane Seymour. Plain, lacking in personality, etc... Had Edward VI been a girl, and had not died, I figure her life would have been shortened by some means. I am surprised she even married Henry, considering how he treated his first two wives. As Katherine Parr is rumored to have said, "it safer to be your mistress than to be your wife!"
I think henry love Jane moore than any other of his queens simply because she shut up did her duty and gave him a son and that's what all he wanted and she gave it to Him period period
I can't remember where I read or heard this, but someone mentioned that Henry VIII got cold feet, and wasn't sure he wanted to go through with marrying Jane Seymour. If she was pregnant, it would be a good reason for Henry to go through with it. But, if she was pregnant, doesn't that mean she miscarried? Another excellent video!
Thank you!
Why would after giving Henry a son and a much loved Queen be called a "Tragic Fall" a tragedy but a fall seems to denote something bad she did.?
I believe Jane could’ve been pregnant at the time of Anne Boleyn’s trial. I also think she’d be happy to settle for being king’s mistress- seating on married man’s lap, while his wife is pregnant is not innocent behaviour! I don’t think she was so pure and virginal as described . She was 28 at the time of her marriage to king , after all.
Claire, i just saw a clip where Queen Sofia was trying to have a photo with her two granddaughters and the mother kept walking in front of the camera and even pulled on one of the girls ears. I know nothing about the royal family of Spain. Do they not get along? what information i could gather, there were comparisons between the current queen and meghan markle ... is that true?
I really don't follow royalty news, either the UK or Spain, I'm afraid, so can't really comment.
Hmmm....yes, I'd say those 'chaperoned' visits weren't so much. It seems like everyone around Henry were keen to pimp out their just come of age daughters to him for any sort of Courtly boon - so I think that if he asked for time alone with her he might well have gotten that. Especially after he'd made up his mind about Anne's fate.
I have a hard time, thinking good thoughts about a woman who becomes engaged to a man the day after he has his wife’s head cut off. It’s just really really cringe worthy. She was a submissive, social climber. I’ve the world of compassion for her, death and childbirth but she’s probably my least favorite of his wives.
I'm just not sure how much choice she had.
@@anneboleynfiles I agree that she didn’t have choices, but it does appear that she did play up to him, and I’m certain she was encouraged by her family to be with him because it would grant them titles and lands. England is certainly known for its social hierarchy, which encourages Social climbing. I understand she may have had pressure from her family, but still…
I too have wondered if Jane was pregnant in 1536 but it seems unlikely IF there was any truth to her returning the purse of coins, etc.
I can't help but think Jane must have been very callous and cold to become engaged and married so soon after Anne was judiciously murdered. Or perhaps Jane was stupid but fertile.
The word karma comes to mind considering all that happened after Henry so brutally discarded Katherine of Aragon and killed Anne. Soon after in 1536, Fitzroy died. Less than two years later, Henry had his son but his wife was dead. I wonder what Jane thought when she knew she was mortally ill?
And after all the tragedy, Anne's daughter -- bastardized by her father -- was one of the greatest monarchs in English history. Karma.
Anne of Cleeves could've given Henry a son; but he hadn't given her a chance.
Yes, I expect so.
Jane even provided Henry with a heir didn’t not last as Queen neither his son .. sorry not my favorite at all of the court
Did she feel guilty?
Jane? What for? Anne? We just don't know her personal feelings.
I never got why people look at Jane as superior and almost holy. She was a mistress just as Anne and Katherine were, she just got lucky (somewhat).
To me, Jane Seymour is the most enigmatic of Henry VIII’s wives. The other queens had personalities that jump through history at you, but Jane has always seemed so blank. Even in her portrait, she looks like a dull and empty vessel. I tip my hat to her, though. Whatever she did possess was enough to make her queen.
I disagree.. look at clothing…magnificent, gorgeous, gold netting..look at her jewllery..magnificent. Just very pale in skin.. I believe she had a lot more going on that I realize.
@@nancytestani1470 you’re describing articles of clothing, which don’t even look that unique for the time period. Clothing neither denotes, nor imparts character. But, we can agree to disagree.
Speculation without evidence seldom produces meaningful results.
I don't think it has to. That's not the aim.
The truth cannot be found if no one ever looks for it.
It makes sense that Jane was pregnant. Could explain why he rushed to get rid of Anne. She’s my least favorite wife.
Hello 👋 Why is she your least favourite out of interest?
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I think she knew Anne was going to be executed. She was groomed by her family to take her place. Basically she used Anne’s playbook. I found her boring. She wasn’t as accomplished as the other wives accept Catherine Howard. I see Catherine as a tragic story. Her family failed her. Honestly, I think she must’ve been terrified of not producing a son. I know I would’ve. These are just my opinions.
I hope you’re doing well.
@@leticiagarcia9025 Thank you for your answer. Hope 2024 is treating you and yours well so far.
I disliked Jane. She's my least favorite wife. She plotted and schemed. I believe she was pregnant, and that was the reason for the haste in murdering Anne, and then marrying immediately.
I do think it's plausible that they at least thought Jane could be pregnant.
Hiya Claire, I didn't know you had tattoos, just say Henry V111 got turned down would he of executed her out of haste? just something in the back of my mind, this is Paul in Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Yes, I have quite a few!
Can you explain a bit more about what you mean by your question? Do you mean would he have still executed Anne so quickly if he'd been turned down by Jane? I don't think Jane would have felt that she could have turned him down. From what Chapuys says, she was very much following "advice", or perhaps orders, from Anne Boleyn's enemies, a bit of a pawn really. But if she had turned him down, I'm sure Henry would have found someone who was willing.
@@anneboleynfiles Hiya Claire, you've answered my question, I think Henry was a barbaric king though
No one comments on the amount of courage Jane Seymour must have had to marry a man who probably was the inspiration for the tale of Bluebeard!
Hmmm... YT has gone a little wrong. I wrote a different reply to you,. I said that I wondered just how much choice Jane had. I'm not sure it was courage as such.
@@anneboleynfilesSorry. I will delete my comments.
@@anneboleynfilesI imagine if Jane had said, "NO!!" they could have found someone else. The Howard clan had a lot of available young women.
I dont think it was courage it was arrogance.
Jane said she treasured nothing more than her honour so hard to imagine her starting a sexual relationship with Henry outside of wedlock unless he pressurised her
It wasn't unusual for a couple to sleep together before marriage if there was a commitment of some kind, but, yes, Jane may have felt very pressured by him and those manipulating her.
Anne tried to preserve her honor but ended up pregnant before marriage also. Knowing the hold Anne had on Henry, Jane may have realized the only way to be sure to get rid of her was to get pregnant.
@@jayfroehlich7954 Anne and Jane were different though in ways. Anne was a reformist while Jane was still very much Catholic and those teachings were instilled in her.
I think she was arrogant and even snooty look at her portrait. That pursed lip look says it all. No other lady's portrait of the time is as unattractive in my opinion. And the necklace incident proves where she stood. She wanted to take Annes place. Because she died she lived in Henrys heart but i dont think if she had lived he would have been faithful and I do think a mistress would have taken Janes place at his side if not her throne.
Yes I think she may have been pregnant and miscarried the first pregnancy.
Jane was milk toast an absolute yes person i personally believe she had the personality of a door k nob . Just saying
Jane was what we called an easy girl. While Anne held Henry off for years, Jane was throwing herself at him. H8 only honored her bc she delivered the prize bull. He would have ditched her in a heartbeat if she suffered miscarriage or did not delivered the prized male. Oh, I think I'm going to be sick. 😂
Jane was pregnant when she got married. That's why they rushed the hitch.
How did she throw herself at him?