I like to think that the Boleyn sisters would appreciate your efforts to see their reality. They certainly sound like absolutely fascinating women. Thank you 😊
Who knows what really happened but I’m glad Mary got to keep her head and seemed to have a reasonably happy life. Also glad that her children had a good relationship with their cousin Queen Elizabeth. Informative video as usual. Thanks.
Lots of interesting information. Whilst some fiction has its place, some of it, especially as I like to call it the "Hollywoodesque" version that is there to increase viewing figures does more harm than good. Thanks for a more rounded and accurate portrayal Claire.
Hi Claire! Good video as always. I think it was you who quoted Eric Ives when he said/wrote that what we actually know about Mary Boleyn could be written on a postcard with room to spare. I think that's the most accurate statement about Mary that I've heard. What I also think is that Mary survived 1536 because she was nowhere near H8's court. Maybe she was laying low somewhere -- who knows. That's the major issue with Mary -- we just don't know a great deal about her. What is said and written about her seems to be smoke and mirrors only, no verifiable facts. Thanks again for the video!
Oh thank you Claire this is so interesting. I love Anne Boleyn and read so much about her, but I don't know much about Mary. It was surprising to know her first 2 children were not infact Henry's, as previously thought. I love Tudor history, always have. Love your channel x
I truly believe that she was involved with Henry VIII before her marriage, when Bessie Blount was pregnant, that would make make sense of the king helping to arrange her marriage, allowing it at Greenwich, attending it and giving a gift.
Anne has been described as a cold woman indifferent to her sister’s suffering yet it was Anne that sent Mary a gold cup to help her out. Some writers would have you believe that Anne wouldn’t have sent her sister her anything. So many little things that show the person Anne really was go completely under the radar or are ignored by writers completely or are twisted to make Anne into something she wasn’t. Like trying to make out Mary was in love with Henry but loved her children more where Anne didn’t love children and was about as maternal to her daughter as a rock.
I have to agree with you there is a lot of evidence that Amne was generous towards her family and others less fortunate... She had a big hand in providing for the poor providing food, clothing and money, I cannot imagine she wouldn't therefore help her sister, after all there is evidence to suggest she did.. She was an activist, a humanitarian and a working pilitican... She was well educated for her time and forward thinking yet deeply religious, got to admire the woman for her strength of character... 💚
I am a descendant of Mary Boleyn & appreciate your informative narratives about her, Anne & their family. The Boleyns are truly fascinating. Mary is pretty much the ancestral matriarch of not only the current British royal family, but also of at least one of the founding families of the colony of Virginia, that would later grow into the United States of America.
Ooooh this should be a fun episode. I was introduced to Mary with the other Berlin girl book when I was 14 in like 2004/5. I knew the book was fiction but I was genuinely curious because I had never known Anne Boleyn had a sister. God bless you Claire, I appreciate everything you do
The beef I have with Philippa Gregory's interpretation of history is something else. From her Richard III conspiracies to the Boleyn misinformation I want to challenge her to a duel
@@FiFi-wt9zj and she takes her writing as fact as well. I mean she tried to convince the world that Margaret Beaufort was the killer of the Princes in the Tower and claimed she "discovered" evidence confirming that
Thank you Claire! As usual, I appreciate your insights. I agree that a lot of the myth surrounding Mary stems from Gregory's highly inaccurate and inflammatory novel The Other Boleyn Girl. She practically beatifies Mary and literally demonizes Anne. I couldn't read another of her books after that atrocity. I hope more Tudor enthusiasts find their way to your website for a more balanced, truthful look into both sisters.
Absolutely fascinating! I am a keen amateur genealogist and discovered only yesterday, that my husband is likely descended from Mary's son, Henry Carey.
I enjoyed this so much. I do love The other Boleyn girl and the Tudors. I always try to look for the truth while I'm watching them with my phone in hand.😊
Thank you! While I got to know about Anne through other Boleynnn girl the more I researched the more frustrating I found the fiction written about her and her family. It’s frustrating because they are the more well known stories but they are stories.
I wanna think Elizabeth knew her aunt . Her paternal aunts wouldn’t have had much to do with her. Mary died before she was born and Margaret was on contentious terms with Henry
@@anneboleynfiles aunt Mary Boleyn or aunt Mary Brandon? Cuz she had two aunt Mary. She had her aunt Jane but I don’t know if they had much to do with each other cuz Jane was busy being lady in waiting for her next 3 stepmothers
@@michellecrocker2485 I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume she meant Mary BOELYN 😂 since this video is about her and since her aunt Mar (Brandon) died a few months before she was born 😂
I discovered from reading about Mary Boleyn that she is the ancestor of both King Charles III and that of his first wife, Princess Diana Spencer.👑 Very interesting
Was literally just thinking about her today! I was wondering if, due to the fact that Anne had such atrocities made up about her, wouldn't the same be done about her sister, in order to discredit the entire Boleyn family? They talk about her supposed affair in France as if she was willing, when, by the same token, it was considered treasonous to deny a king anything. Not to mention that she likely wasn't as grandly educated as Anne was, so perhaps she didn't know what she was getting into. The fact that King Francis referred to her as an "English mare" is downright disgusting...
There's a book entitled "Mary Boleyn" authored by Allison Weir that I've long thought about reading. I don't even know if it's classed as fiction or non-fiction. Would you recommend it as a reliable account? Love your program BTW.
It's non-fiction. I agree with Eric Ives, who once told me that what we know about Mary can be written on a postcard with room to spare, so you need to be aware that the book is more about her family, the context, the court etc. as we know very little about her.
@@anneboleynfiles Thanks Claire. I have Ives' book and in spite of being rather heavy going, I'd much rather read it than most of the other so called experts who tend to embellish and even recreate Tudor history. I've not read any of your books though and I fully intend to remedy that in future. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@@marvmzem2010 I think Ives is a little outdated with regards to his views on Thomas and Jane Boleyn, but otherwise his book is the Anne Boleyn bible as far as I'm concerned. Thank you, my favourite books of mine are The Fall of Anne Boleyn, the George B one, and The Boleyns of Hever Castle.
🇭🇲 This was very interesting indeed. It is always good to hear the truth and/or have these many myths 'put to bed' as it were. The fact that two of Mary Boleyn's children 'did' serve their cousin, Queen Elizabeth Ist so very well (and were much trusted) always pleases me to hear - as well. As always "thank you" so much Claire 👍😊 with much love to you and yours, from Lyndell xx 💓🫂
I admire Mary for getting out of that toxic court of Henry VIII. And I so pity her parents who had to continue to interact with the king after 1536. In some ways Mary was the most successful Boleyn because she escaped with her life and her known children were successful during the reign of Elizabeth. By getting far away from court, she was also never in the position of having to continue to directly flatter the king who so devastated her family.
@@anneboleynfiles Here's a what-if or a what was really going on question. Though it seems Mary's second marriage was for love, could other reasons have led to a quick and secret alliance? Were Henry and Anne planning to marry Mary to a powerful man she may not have liked? In any case, Mary was a commodity to use for an advantageous marriage. If Henry and Anne were thinking about that, who would likely have been chosen for such a match?
Thanks Claire 💜 Mary, a shadowy figure as you say, we know so little so it's easy to create storylines for her, to believe in vain when supposed facts rear their heads and try and make them stick. One not so true facts that appeared here that I had believed in was that Mary knew King Francis intimately. Interesting to discover that there is no real evidence for this and Mary's tainted image as the great wh*re is really unfair, untrue and an assassination of a character we frustrationly knew next to nothing about 😢
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Do you think that based on Anne & Mary‘s participation in the Château Vert performance that they were similar or polar opposites? The romantic in me hopes that Mary was with her parents at the fall of her siblings.
I don't believe that Mary's children were the kings, especially her son. Henry VIII would have acknowledged any son he had from a mistress just to add to his virility and for added proof that his lack of male heir isn't his problem, look how many sons he has outside of marriage...of course he's not the problem (rolls eyes).
I don't think H8 would acknowledge his children with Mary since he just used Mary (I believe the red headed "Henry" Carey was Henry 8 son and Catherine the red head was QE1 half sister! Mary had to vanish as many commented how "Henry" Carey looked like H8! And how would folks take to King H8 have kids by sisters!!! Henry would have been called out if he acknowledged them and QE1 would have been rejected for such....all this could be easily proven..go to Henry Carey 's grave and get DNA or Catherine Carey's DNA...but it would tarnish the Tudor crown of today!!! That's why the crown won't do it! I also think Margaret Beaufort has the 2 princes in the tower murdered to make way for her own son H7
I believe that one of the Mary Boleyn portraits was done for one of her great or great granddaughters so it's not fully contempory but known as her by early 17th century. Rather like her sister's portraits! As yet another Mary Boleyn descendant, I was always told that Mary & her Mother were light brown haired, while Anne and George took after their father and paternal Irish grandmother. Can't prove it though!!!
Those "faux" portraits look like 18th or 19th century pastiche's of Tudor portraits, they are certainly not 16th century. The face of the Hever one looks sweetified, and has Queen Victoria eyelids !!! The gable hood's look like the artist didn't understand their structure at all, and the style of painting is not of the tudor ilk , just my opinion btw. Really enjoyed your video. Subscibed. Thank you.
Mary and Anne were ambitious women who had sex appeal and used it. Anne exposed some of Henry's male insecurities and he didn't like the feeling. She played a dangerous game with a man who killed people regularly.
I think Mary is very maligned and was probably very little as she has been perceived. The Other Boleyn Girl was a fun read, but it was also infuriating if you know the real history. Great video Claire, Thank you!❤
The word 'pretty' is very subjective isn't it? The eye of the beholder comes to mind. I do think part of this 'problem' is that people believe fiction over the factual truth. I think Jane Boleyn is a great example, because of several fictional depictions, people believe that Jane Boleyn was a horrid woman. We will never know the actual truth unless we use a time machine and risk returning to that time period.
The Other Boleyn Girl novel and film were quite different in their portrayals of Mary and her relationship with Henry VIII. Both are clearly fictional, but the novel showed a more complicated character with more nuanced motivations and feelings. I wouldn't say that the novel depicted a great love story. There is certainly some inital infatuation and even feelings, but it is a lot more cynical. The more enduring, complicated love of the novel is the familial love between Mary and Anne.
It’s interesting for me that I’ve always enjoyed Philippa Gregory´s books but I never took them for reality. It always made me just want to search the real facts and read more into real history. Because I was so aware of how fictionalised the stories were, it never bothered me. Even the few I was encountering for the first time or others I already knew a lot about. I won’t say I enjoyed every single portrait in the books, as that’s not true, but in general I was fine with the fiction. I had not realised until recently that a lot of people actually took them for fact. That did make me see them a bit differently, but everyone should maybe make their own research. And some of her books had by the end which parts had been fictionalised and what was based on truth ( I only found that in one, did she do it for more?)
The only thing that seems clear to me is that Henry VIII only loved himself, and MAYBE , at one point, Catalina de Aragon. He was in love with the idea of love. He "loved" Jane Seymour because she gave him a son. But I think that for all of the other women in his life, including Mary Boleyn, he was at best infatuated with them. Remember, love and lust are both four lettered words in the dictionary and are often confused for one another. In my opinion, Mary, like Bessie Blount and Anna von Kleeves, was one of the lucky one s who got away.
What caused the supposed "falling-out" between Anne and Mary? If it is accepted that Mary had slept (at least once) with Henry before Anne, was the family (Anne) indifferent to this, or was this problematic intimacy a thorn or threat to Henry and Anne, and their marriage? If Mary wasn't pushed onto Henry for familial ties and position, then why be so upset that she married below her station? Anne was already queen, position and power in place - her brother on the privy council - nothing trumps that! Mary by this time, was just an afterthought.
very well set out. Whatever you think of the fictional accounts there is no doubt that they helped re-spark an interest in Tudor history and for that and the fact that some of the fictions are entertaining I can forgive the inaccuracies
It's possible that Mary was Francis' mistress but not entirely plausible. I wish that's how people framed that situation, but they don't. I can see anti-Evangelicals saying "that whole family is bad. Mary was a mistress of Francis I, so Anne is clearly a skank, too." Or it could have been made up whole cloth. The whole "Mary was Henry's long time mistress" thing bothers me way more. Since it leads people, even supposedly well-studied and dedicated historians, to think a whole bunch of things that are very obviously not true. Henry and Catherine Carey were not Henry VIII's kids! Jeez.
People LOVE to say Henry and Catherine were Elizabeth’s half siblings because they were favorites at her court… THEY WERE HER COUSINS 😂 they were still her family it doesn’t have to mean they were her siblings.
Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, Queen Elizabeth II, Diana, Princess of Wales and King Charles III are descendants of Mary Boleyn, Anne Boleyn's sister.
I am descended from Mary Boleyn thru her son Henry Carey going down the Carey thru Plummer lines to Summey, and Pennel ancestors. Even Queen Elizabeths Uncle who abdicated the Crown, his wife was a descendant of the Plummer ancestors of mine. Henry VIII 's mother Elizabeth of York was half sister to my ancestor Thomas Grey, Elizabeth Woodville 's oldest son. I had about a half dozen ancestors who were involved in the Tudor Courts. Many were executed by Henry VIII. John Dudley, Margaret Pole, 3rd Duke of Buckingham, Several Howards, Edward Seymour for starts, even a few more.
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I like to think that the Boleyn sisters would appreciate your efforts to see their reality. They certainly sound like absolutely fascinating women. Thank you 😊
I hope so!
Who knows what really happened but I’m glad Mary got to keep her head and seemed to have a reasonably happy life. Also glad that her children had a good relationship with their cousin Queen Elizabeth. Informative video as usual. Thanks.
Me too!
Lots of interesting information. Whilst some fiction has its place, some of it, especially as I like to call it the "Hollywoodesque" version that is there to increase viewing figures does more harm than good. Thanks for a more rounded and accurate portrayal Claire.
I don’t know. Hollywood only jumped onboard after books were written
Thank you for watching!
This happily confirms that 90+% of what is stated online is utter nonsense 😊. Very good channel by the way!
Hi Claire! Good video as always. I think it was you who quoted Eric Ives when he said/wrote that what we actually know about Mary Boleyn could be written on a postcard with room to spare. I think that's the most accurate statement about Mary that I've heard. What I also think is that Mary survived 1536 because she was nowhere near H8's court. Maybe she was laying low somewhere -- who knows. That's the major issue with Mary -- we just don't know a great deal about her. What is said and written about her seems to be smoke and mirrors only, no verifiable facts. Thanks again for the video!
Yes, he told me that over dinner when I was lucky enough to meet him. Yes. I think she was with Stafford far away from court.
Thank you for using original and contemporary sources.
My pleasure! Delving into the sources is what I love!
Oh thank you Claire this is so interesting. I love Anne Boleyn and read so much about her, but I don't know much about Mary. It was surprising to know her first 2 children were not infact Henry's, as previously thought. I love Tudor history, always have. Love your channel x
I truly believe that she was involved with Henry VIII before her marriage, when Bessie Blount was pregnant, that would make make sense of the king helping to arrange her marriage, allowing it at Greenwich, attending it and giving a gift.
Anne has been described as a cold woman indifferent to her sister’s suffering yet it was Anne that sent Mary a gold cup to help her out. Some writers would have you believe that Anne wouldn’t have sent her sister her anything. So many little things that show the person Anne really was go completely under the radar or are ignored by writers completely or are twisted to make Anne into something she wasn’t. Like trying to make out Mary was in love with Henry but loved her children more where Anne didn’t love children and was about as maternal to her daughter as a rock.
I have to agree with you there is a lot of evidence that Amne was generous towards her family and others less fortunate... She had a big hand in providing for the poor providing food, clothing and money, I cannot imagine she wouldn't therefore help her sister, after all there is evidence to suggest she did.. She was an activist, a humanitarian and a working pilitican... She was well educated for her time and forward thinking yet deeply religious, got to admire the woman for her strength of character... 💚
I am a descendant of Mary Boleyn & appreciate your informative narratives about her, Anne & their family. The Boleyns are truly fascinating. Mary is pretty much the ancestral matriarch of not only the current British royal family, but also of at least one of the founding families of the colony of Virginia, that would later grow into the United States of America.
I'm a potential descendant as well and have only begun researching Mary Boleyn. I have always loved Tudor history. Thank you for this video!
Ooooh this should be a fun episode. I was introduced to Mary with the other Berlin girl book when I was 14 in like 2004/5. I knew the book was fiction but I was genuinely curious because I had never known Anne Boleyn had a sister.
God bless you Claire, I appreciate everything you do
Love your channel, also love your current hairstyle, really suits you. X
The beef I have with Philippa Gregory's interpretation of history is something else. From her Richard III conspiracies to the Boleyn misinformation I want to challenge her to a duel
She writes fictional history. You can take her writing as fact. I like to watch the shows and then find the historians online and fact-check.
So many take her writing as fact and that really annoys me. Can’t stand her books
@@FiFi-wt9zj and she takes her writing as fact as well. I mean she tried to convince the world that Margaret Beaufort was the killer of the Princes in the Tower and claimed she "discovered" evidence confirming that
Thank you Claire! As usual, I appreciate your insights. I agree that a lot of the myth surrounding Mary stems from Gregory's highly inaccurate and inflammatory novel The Other Boleyn Girl. She practically beatifies Mary and literally demonizes Anne. I couldn't read another of her books after that atrocity. I hope more Tudor enthusiasts find their way to your website for a more balanced, truthful look into both sisters.
Agree with you totally. The Other Boleyn Girl whilst enjoyable, is just a piece of fiction.
just finished The King's Curse. The books are entertaining but they are no more true than The Crown is.
It may have been fiction but Gregory's novel brought the spirt of the time alive for me, and made the weird events seem rational.
I think perhaps that Mary would be right pleased at being gossiped about all these centuries later! Thanks for the clarification Claire.
Yes, all the attention she's still getting!
Thank you for setting the facts straight.
It's a pleasure.
Absolutely fascinating! I am a keen amateur genealogist and discovered only yesterday, that my husband is likely descended from Mary's son, Henry Carey.
I enjoyed this so much. I do love The other Boleyn girl and the Tudors. I always try to look for the truth while I'm watching them with my phone in hand.😊
I get the same when I'm watching anything historical... which is a great way to learn actual history! :-)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
Thank you for addressing these stories.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you! While I got to know about Anne through other Boleynnn girl the more I researched the more frustrating I found the fiction written about her and her family. It’s frustrating because they are the more well known stories but they are stories.
I wanna think Elizabeth knew her aunt . Her paternal aunts wouldn’t have had much to do with her. Mary died before she was born and Margaret was on contentious terms with Henry
I'd love to think that she did know Mary.
@@anneboleynfiles aunt Mary Boleyn or aunt Mary Brandon? Cuz she had two aunt Mary. She had her aunt Jane but I don’t know if they had much to do with each other cuz Jane was busy being lady in waiting for her next 3 stepmothers
@@michellecrocker2485 I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume she meant Mary BOELYN 😂 since this video is about her and since her aunt Mar (Brandon) died a few months before she was born 😂
Fascinating. You always are.
I discovered from reading about Mary Boleyn that she is the ancestor of both King Charles III and that of his first wife, Princess Diana Spencer.👑 Very interesting
Thank goodness for all the information you share to keep us all on the right track 👏👏❤️
Was literally just thinking about her today! I was wondering if, due to the fact that Anne had such atrocities made up about her, wouldn't the same be done about her sister, in order to discredit the entire Boleyn family? They talk about her supposed affair in France as if she was willing, when, by the same token, it was considered treasonous to deny a king anything. Not to mention that she likely wasn't as grandly educated as Anne was, so perhaps she didn't know what she was getting into. The fact that King Francis referred to her as an "English mare" is downright disgusting...
Yes, I think the whole Boleyn family suffered.
The king referring to her as a mare is a good indication that she was an attractive woman. I don't refer to women that way, but the French did.
I love "The Other Boleyn Girl"...as fiction. Thank you for this video! Excellent, as always!
There's a book entitled "Mary Boleyn" authored by Allison Weir that I've long thought about reading. I don't even know if it's classed as fiction or non-fiction. Would you recommend it as a reliable account? Love your program BTW.
It's non-fiction. I agree with Eric Ives, who once told me that what we know about Mary can be written on a postcard with room to spare, so you need to be aware that the book is more about her family, the context, the court etc. as we know very little about her.
@@anneboleynfiles Thanks Claire. I have Ives' book and in spite of being rather heavy going, I'd much rather read it than most of the other so called experts who tend to embellish and even recreate Tudor history. I've not read any of your books though and I fully intend to remedy that in future. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@@marvmzem2010 I think Ives is a little outdated with regards to his views on Thomas and Jane Boleyn, but otherwise his book is the Anne Boleyn bible as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you, my favourite books of mine are The Fall of Anne Boleyn, the George B one, and The Boleyns of Hever Castle.
@@anneboleynfiles Noted. Thanks again.
Back in 1983 I read A Passion's Reign by Karen Harper and thus began my obsession with Anne and Mary Boleyn.
🇭🇲 This was very interesting indeed. It is always good to hear the truth and/or have these many myths
'put to bed' as it were. The fact that two of Mary Boleyn's children 'did' serve their cousin, Queen Elizabeth Ist so very well (and were much trusted) always pleases me to hear - as well.
As always "thank you" so much Claire 👍😊 with much love to you and yours, from Lyndell xx 💓🫂
And love to you and Bob too!
I admire Mary for getting out of that toxic court of Henry VIII. And I so pity her parents who had to continue to interact with the king after 1536. In some ways Mary was the most successful Boleyn because she escaped with her life and her known children were successful during the reign of Elizabeth. By getting far away from court, she was also never in the position of having to continue to directly flatter the king who so devastated her family.
Yes, to escape from that dangerous setting must have been wonderful for her.
@@anneboleynfiles Here's a what-if or a what was really going on question. Though it seems Mary's second marriage was for love, could other reasons have led to a quick and secret alliance? Were Henry and Anne planning to marry Mary to a powerful man she may not have liked? In any case, Mary was a commodity to use for an advantageous marriage. If Henry and Anne were thinking about that, who would likely have been chosen for such a match?
Thanks Claire 💜
Mary, a shadowy figure as you say, we know so little so it's easy to create storylines for her, to believe in vain when supposed facts rear their heads and try and make them stick.
One not so true facts that appeared here that I had believed in was that Mary knew King Francis intimately. Interesting to discover that there is no real evidence for this and Mary's tainted image as the great wh*re is really unfair, untrue and an assassination of a character we frustrationly knew next to nothing about 😢
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Lovely to see you as always 😻
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The fact that she's shadowy, though, makes her perfect for fiction.
@@anneboleynfiles Double edged sword though when it comes to fiction as we've seen with Mary
I have always thought of the Boleyn sisters as very alike in colouring, but Mary as more rounded as Anne was slim and almost flat chested!
Yes, we known that Anne was described as having a bosom not much raised, but unfortunately we just don't know what Mary looked like.
Do you think that based on Anne & Mary‘s participation in the Château Vert performance that they were similar or polar opposites? The romantic in me hopes that Mary was with her parents at the fall of her siblings.
I don't believe that Mary's children were the kings, especially her son. Henry VIII would have acknowledged any son he had from a mistress just to add to his virility and for added proof that his lack of male heir isn't his problem, look how many sons he has outside of marriage...of course he's not the problem (rolls eyes).
I don't think H8 would acknowledge his children with Mary since he just used Mary (I believe the red headed "Henry" Carey was Henry 8 son and Catherine the red head was QE1 half sister! Mary had to vanish as many commented how "Henry" Carey looked like H8! And how would folks take to King H8 have kids by sisters!!! Henry would have been called out if he acknowledged them and QE1 would have been rejected for such....all this could be easily proven..go to Henry Carey 's grave and get DNA or Catherine Carey's DNA...but it would tarnish the Tudor crown of today!!! That's why the crown won't do it! I also think Margaret Beaufort has the 2 princes in the tower murdered to make way for her own son H7
@@sirtedricwalker2979 However would finding out that Mary's children were the king's damage the present royal family in any way?
@@edithengel2284 Yes, they are all descended from Mary Boelyn....Charles from the daughter and Diana from her son....
@@sirtedricwalker2979 I understand that. But exactly how would that damage the family?
Great video,very interesting
I believe that one of the Mary Boleyn portraits was done for one of her great or great granddaughters so it's not fully contempory but known as her by early 17th century. Rather like her sister's portraits! As yet another Mary Boleyn descendant, I was always told that Mary & her Mother were light brown haired, while Anne and George took after their father and paternal Irish grandmother. Can't prove it though!!!
I'm forever reading that Mary was blonde and Anne brunette, but unfortunately we have no contemporary descriptions of Mary.
Those "faux" portraits look like 18th or 19th century pastiche's of Tudor portraits, they are certainly not 16th century. The face of the Hever one looks sweetified, and has Queen Victoria eyelids !!! The gable hood's look like the artist didn't understand their structure at all, and the style of painting is not of the tudor ilk , just my opinion btw. Really enjoyed your video. Subscibed. Thank you.
Mary and Anne were ambitious women who had sex appeal and used it. Anne exposed some of Henry's male insecurities and he didn't like the feeling. She played a dangerous game with a man who killed people regularly.
Hello from Dallas, Tx! ❤
I think Mary is very maligned and was probably very little as she has been perceived. The Other Boleyn Girl was a fun read, but it was also infuriating if you know the real history.
Great video Claire, Thank you!❤
Thank you for watching!
The word 'pretty' is very subjective isn't it? The eye of the beholder comes to mind. I do think part of this 'problem' is that people believe fiction over the factual truth. I think Jane Boleyn is a great example, because of several fictional depictions, people believe that Jane Boleyn was a horrid woman. We will never know the actual truth unless we use a time machine and risk returning to that time period.
Yes, definitely a subjective word and it is so very hard to get at the truth about 16th century people.
@@anneboleynfiles Indeed. Its very difficult to know. It drives me crazy when people assume that dramas are historically accurate.
The French king called her a mare. The French loved their horses. The king thought she was attractive.
Great video
Philippa Gregory has a serious bias against Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth I
Very satisfied 😌
I'm so glad!
The Other Boleyn Girl novel and film were quite different in their portrayals of Mary and her relationship with Henry VIII. Both are clearly fictional, but the novel showed a more complicated character with more nuanced motivations and feelings. I wouldn't say that the novel depicted a great love story. There is certainly some inital infatuation and even feelings, but it is a lot more cynical. The more enduring, complicated love of the novel is the familial love between Mary and Anne.
Yes, that's true.
It’s interesting for me that I’ve always enjoyed Philippa Gregory´s books but I never took them for reality. It always made me just want to search the real facts and read more into real history. Because I was so aware of how fictionalised the stories were, it never bothered me. Even the few I was encountering for the first time or others I already knew a lot about. I won’t say I enjoyed every single portrait in the books, as that’s not true, but in general I was fine with the fiction. I had not realised until recently that a lot of people actually took them for fact. That did make me see them a bit differently, but everyone should maybe make their own research. And some of her books had by the end which parts had been fictionalised and what was based on truth ( I only found that in one, did she do it for more?)
A very interesting video.
The only thing that seems clear to me is that Henry VIII only loved himself, and MAYBE , at one point, Catalina de Aragon. He was in love with the idea of love. He "loved" Jane Seymour because she gave him a son. But I think that for all of the other women in his life, including Mary Boleyn, he was at best infatuated with them. Remember, love and lust are both four lettered words in the dictionary and are often confused for one another.
In my opinion, Mary, like Bessie Blount and Anna von Kleeves, was one of the lucky one s who got away.
Yes, I think Anne Boleyn was definitely an obsession.
He couldn't handle Anne's sex appeal around other men. He went green with jealousy, and that was a feeling he wouldn't abide.
@@freefall9832 The original portrait of her conveys very clearly that Anne was very sexy.
@@lesliemoiseauthor Her sister Mary must have been happy to get out of the kings eye.
What caused the supposed "falling-out" between Anne and Mary?
If it is accepted that Mary had slept (at least once) with Henry before Anne, was the family (Anne) indifferent to this, or was this problematic intimacy a thorn or threat to Henry and Anne, and their marriage?
If Mary wasn't pushed onto Henry for familial ties and position, then why be so upset that she married below her station? Anne was already queen, position and power in place - her brother on the privy council - nothing trumps that! Mary by this time, was just an afterthought.
very well set out. Whatever you think of the fictional accounts there is no doubt that they helped re-spark an interest in Tudor history and for that and the fact that some of the fictions are entertaining I can forgive the inaccuracies
Thanks you.
It's possible that Mary was Francis' mistress but not entirely plausible. I wish that's how people framed that situation, but they don't. I can see anti-Evangelicals saying "that whole family is bad. Mary was a mistress of Francis I, so Anne is clearly a skank, too." Or it could have been made up whole cloth.
The whole "Mary was Henry's long time mistress" thing bothers me way more. Since it leads people, even supposedly well-studied and dedicated historians, to think a whole bunch of things that are very obviously not true. Henry and Catherine Carey were not Henry VIII's kids! Jeez.
Which insult do you mean?
People LOVE to say Henry and Catherine were Elizabeth’s half siblings because they were favorites at her court… THEY WERE HER COUSINS 😂 they were still her family it doesn’t have to mean they were her siblings.
Though the descendents of Mary, the Boleyns are ancestors of the Current Royal family - not through Anne & Elizabeth.
Elizabeth didn't have children so, yes, that would be impossible.
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Did Elizabeth have much to do with her aunt Mary?
There's no evidence that she did, but she was close to her maternal cousins.
Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, Queen Elizabeth II, Diana, Princess of Wales and King Charles III are descendants of Mary Boleyn, Anne Boleyn's sister.
Yes, and William and Harry are lucky to descend from her twice over.
I am descended from Mary Boleyn thru her son Henry Carey going down the Carey thru Plummer lines to Summey, and Pennel ancestors. Even Queen Elizabeths Uncle who abdicated the Crown, his wife was a descendant of the Plummer ancestors of mine. Henry VIII 's mother Elizabeth of York was half sister to my ancestor Thomas Grey, Elizabeth Woodville 's oldest son. I had about a half dozen ancestors who were involved in the Tudor Courts. Many were executed by Henry VIII. John Dudley, Margaret Pole, 3rd Duke of Buckingham, Several Howards, Edward Seymour for starts, even a few more.
She was entitled to her share of any money
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Oh good. Now history channels are getting in on the RUclips thing of "insult your audience to get views."
Which insult do you mean?
The rat in a dress really distracts me