I would put the D-series higher. There’s so many stories of people running that engine to the moon and back with their turbos, and they would still hold. Seems like an A tier to me.
@@running2redline got a buddy just the other week at iCar had held the throttle down one of those old D16's and literally had it to the floor for 3 hours, still didnt blow up.
It hella depends from my experience the d15 is the best of the lot. The d16 is the one with all the issues. That being said i still thinks its the worst on the list
Yes D series is weak in Stock form but they Can hold lot of abuse. I mean rly a lot. I had like 9 civics (5 and 6gen) with D series in my life and they are more reliable than my B series Civic. And Also its rly impressive how much abuse they Can take even when they are in Bad shape. I had one that burn like 3 liter of oil every week and that shitbox was running for like 50k km without any missfires or anything. Then it burn Valve after but anyway its still impressive. And some D engines (like D16z6) with I/E/H and tune are fun with close gear gearbox in light chassis like eg hatch at 900kg when lightened.
Sorry, but the F20C/F22C needs to be separate from the typical FWD single cam F series. Twin cam vs. single cam, timing chain vs. timing belt, etc. If anything, the F20C/F22C is more closely related to the K series.
@@running2redline he's right, I knew the GM of a Firestone in AZ, he had a Stock S2K Engine literally making 700 WHP and holding it for like 2 years of abuse lmao... I didn't believe him until he brought it in and showed me the dyno sheets, thing was insane! He defo had some hilarious stories of smoking boosted Mustangs etc. Funny part is he sold it for a down payment on a C7 Z06 when they were new, the guy he sold it to wrapped the s2k around a tree within a couple hours of buying it, tried to commit insurance fraud on the guy who sold it lmao!
@running2redline not only does the f20 and f22 different but there are F20B which came as dohc vtec in the torneo and accords grade SIR and SIR-T and prelude type S which made 180 to 200hp depending on transmission.
I completely agree, the only issue with them is their tq. numbers, but it's a single cam, imo the best single cam 4 cylinder ever made. My del sol si (d16z6) would and did wrap 8k rpm, gear after gear, everyday (with some oil consumption,I'll admit😂). The d series also had a Dohc variant, with not much in relation to the sohc version. D16a2 or a6, unsure of the sub series, it was and obd0 motor though, with odd additions, vacuum advancing distributor, early mpfi. Very odd motors.
@@alexboore6417 i have a d16z6 and had no idea the D series ever came with 2 overhead cams, looks like there were a bunch of variants of them too. super cool
D series are highly modifiable tuner engines in this day and age, and many are still running 30 years later! There are F22 engines still going with well over 300k miles also, and are tuner beasts, deserves the S2000 S tier 😁
Agreed. My D16Y7 is still running great after 28 years and 357K miles and they have been known to run for 400K-600K+ miles with no major issues. Same for the F series in the Accords, several have famously made it to over a million miles. With the exception of the D17, they are super easy to work on too.
F22a is a million mile engine, I think one example. I owned two 1992 accords, excellent engine, great mpg, built like a brick shithouse. Honda in the beginning of their golden age
Everyone's engines in the 90s could turn 300k. I've seen 1.9 Saturns with miles like that, and the Ford Zetec is famously long-lived as well. The D-series was great for fuel economy, but wasn't uniquely reliable or strong. I had to pour just as much oil into my Hondas as I did my Saturns.
@@JETZcorp Great points, lots of 90's engines will run forever. I'm sure a lot of the popularity of the D series is because the aftermarket support has always been outstanding and because it's a lesser cousin of the much more special B series. Stock for stock, the advantages of the D series over other similar engines are less dramatic for sure.
Cap that would go to the 2JZ and thats not debatable. And if were talking 4 cylinder that would go to the 4G63. Plenty of people making over 600 on unopened motors not even the valve covers taken off.
The D series should absolutely be placed higher. It was really hondas first taste of performance in commuter cars with the D16ZC DOHC VTEC. After a year and a couple months owning a 88 CRX with a ZC, every issue but one has been something with wiring or ECU. It leaks oil, but you’d expect a 36 year old engine with ~150k miles to leak. I thought i was a car guy when i first bought my CRX. I had no idea what the little engine would soon do to me. It’s really a perfect introduction to anyone who wants to get into cars. Sounds good with a full exhaust and cone intake, and damn easy to fix if you’re not afraid of some soldering. If it weren’t for it being so early into ECUs with OBD0, it would easily get placed higher.
Other companies had lean-burn at various times, especially Chrysler. If you can believe it, they had a supercharged 3-cylinder direct-injection lean-burn 2-stroke ready to go into the Neon in 1998. It was going to be the top fuel-economy option. But, they looked at the NOx emissions and fuel prices and decided it wasn't worth the effort. This was in the same time when Honda was making VX and HX Civics with lean-burn, all coming with special cats and wide band O2 sensors to deal with it. Even back then, those cars were only 49-state legal. Chrysler ended up selling their direct-injection 2-stroke technology to Mercury Marine, who are still making outboards with those air-assist injectors from that Neon project.
Overall I think this is a good list. I would have to say that the B-series is Honda's "Smallblock Chevy" and the K-series would be Honda's "LS" engine, basically everything that was good about the B-series but even better.
K > B for na but I would argue that B > K for boost. B easier to work on, dont need to pull and reseal tcover for head work, easier to swap into cars, cost less
@@jack.9235 no they are not. I have a gsr swapped eg sedan and its does not compare to my friends ek sedan k24. B series for looks k series for speed. Stock for stock k will always win, boost for boost some story
Me and my itr agree with you that B series is an S tier engine. I mean sure, mine is burning oil and doesn’t win many drag races but the horsepower per liter and the reliability make it a godly engine. And the handling of my integra can embarrass so much on the road today so the sub 200 hp isn’t a problem for me.
YESSSS! Been waiting for this video for so long! Edit: although I am disappointed that my engine (L series) got c tier, I will say that the noises the turbo makes are so cool. I think it boosts to like 14.5 psi from the factory with the 1.5l variant.
Man, I'm lowkey jealous... I think the L series is great; my L15A1 (i think thats the proper engine code for what I've got) is still stock N/A. Somehow, even after 280,000 km (approx 170,000 miles) and just regular maintenance (no rebuilds yet), it still pulls hard up to 6000rpm, and somehow can also get about 5-5.5L/100km (I think thats around 45mpg).
The K Series rocks. I have an FK8 Honda Civic Type R and in my 5 years of ownership I have had zero issues with my engine and the engine pulls right up to redline and I still get great MPGs. I am never selling this car and the reliability of the K Series engine makes long term ownership hassle free.
Welcome to the club. My F20b has 100s of all out passes seeing 9k rpms since 2007 and it's still high compression on all pistons. Like 240 across the board. Pro2 cams FBO
@@TheBb6prelude Nice! Now that I had my FK8 for a while and my engine is warn in, I am using Prolong in my oil and I can already see my car idles smoother. I am definitely not selling this car. Filled it up today, ran some errands and even did some "spirited" driving next to a Camaro and my gas tank is still full. What a car and what an engine!
Before the E series there was Honda's first automotive engine that was used in all of Honda's earliest cars S360, T360 L700 etc.. and later the Honda 1300 engine, but I understand why they're not here, there is virtually no information about them. Still they deserve a mention for being very cutting edge and powerful engines in their day.
Honestly, I’m divided on the K-series. It’s a very solid engine, for the most part, and incredibly versatile. In the other hand, I can’t count the amount of K24s I’ve had to replace chains, guides, and VTC actuators due to their horrid startup rattle they develop as they wear out, That, and they are notorious for oil consumption, or fuel dilution in the GDI “Earth Dreams” variations. Still, they’re typically robust enough where you can ignore it for years if you stay on top of your oil level.
Is the oil burning moreso on higher revving applications? Reason I ask is because if I run an untouched gen 4-5 CRV, Would I also encounter oil burning?
On my accord k24z3 I had to have Honda Canada redo the pistons and pistons rings for the oil burning. Then the vtc actuator, once the oil burning issue which is really serious is resolved and the replaced vtc it won’t grind again because you won’t lose oil.the oil travels to the vtc and keeps it lubricated
No respect for the D series. That engine was the reason Honda stayed in the conversation of best vehicles to own in the 90s. It's economical with a hint of sport. The B,H series was the sport engines. So the people that ruined them are at fault, not the D series. #1The only time where you having major rod problems are people that are boosting it or crappy maintenance. There are engines that are still running 200,000 and up miles on these things with service and the right care. So it has longevity in the cards. #2 cheap to maintain, compared to alot of other honda engines out there, and a God in the aftermarket. #3 There is a D series cup, this little 1.6 gas sipper won races and (with the right driver and build) stole alot of sport cars lunch money😄. Oh and that aftermarket God? Throw $4000 to $6000 into CRX/2 door civic and watch people take there ball and go home. #4 like you said, it gets almost the same amount of MPG as some current model cars. #5 these cars are dirt cheap to insure. When I got my 2009 Acura TSX insured when it was new, I just shocked my head. Shout out to the S2000 owners that have to insure their ride😂 #6 sure it likes to make chocolate milk sometimes, but these other engines drink oil faster than a white girl trying to get wasted. In short, I got love and respect for the J, B, H and K series, and strongly looking at getting a 2004 Type R in 2025. And throwing a head on it, and a few little odds and ends. People need to put respect on that D😂
Dont get me wrong, this is a great list, may i suggest doing another vid but adding more engines in it, with suggestions like these are the top 3 engines, and these are the engine that might need more aftermarket support to let's say 250-300hp or has the best MPG of all, longest lasting, at the end of the vid. Adding J and C series, and the diesel engines in the updated vid. But if you feel like the D series is still bottom tier then I understand. But just remember, it's not built to be a race engine, it's main purpose was to be a gas sipper, reliable, cheap. If graded on those the D series could be B to A tier, but rated at HP or HP per $ It would be C-
The R series gets way too much hate for the cracking blocks, since it only affected engines on the American market, meanwhile the European market version was free from that issue since day one.
Great list and think you hit everything right, but a bit disappointed in lack of distinction in the F20C/F22C from the F series. (to be fair, that's on Honda. These motors should have had a different designation) These motors are monsters with completely forged internals, that with a tune and an easy to install supercharger can make big power. Not to mention it took a decade for Ferrari to best the 120hp/L specific power output in the 458 italia. Truly a special engine worthy of its own spot in the S tier right next to the K series and B series.
Completely fair and I agree. I tried to make the distinction at 4:07 but I think I should have fully separated it. I’ll consider this scenario for future videos and really appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
It may not be the objectively best engine, but I’m a B series supremacist until I die. I’ve got an LS Integra, so no VTEC unfortunately, but even bone stock with no VTEC, it’s super fun, sounds amazing, is super easy to work on, and incredibly reliable
4:07 “I want to make it abundantly clear that the F20C is an S tier engine” I probably should’ve separated it from the rest of the F series in hindsight, it was the F series as a whole I put there, but tried to make a clear distinction about the S2000 engine. Thanks for watching!
Ive been seeing alot of comments in regards to the J series. PLEASE NOTE that the J series as well as the C series were BOTH V6s. The video is strongly focusing in the Inline 4s Honda used to or still makes. Hope this helps
Thank you, I thought the title would’ve made that clear lol. My V6 video included each of those, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos and thanks for watching!
Okay, I have some things to say here. 1. The D series may have been gutless, but it’s the most indestructible engine I’ve ever owned (my D16Y7 had a spun bearing for the entirety of 2023 with no knock) 2. There are some R-series engines from ‘06 to ‘09 which got lucky. My ‘06 Civic with an R18 has had no coolant leaks or block cracks and it’s nearing 19 years of age and 308000km (191000 miles) no service invoices of the block ever being replaced.
I bought 2003 Accord euro about 6 months ago. It has the K24 in it. I have to say, I was not expecting it to be as nice of a engine as it is... Yes it is not going to blow your mind in stock form but feels good and has more then enough power for a daily use and some fun!
R series owner here and i have a hairline crack on the bottom of my block still drive it every day and have 245k on it 😂 i think its pretty dang good considering ive put 190k on it myself
The H22a lineage of engines makes the F series all weird, if you wanna hear me yap: -H22a, starting point -F20b, the sohc version is an original F series, but the DOHC is a destroked H22a. -F20c, based on the F20b (some aspects), no connection to F series too, this engine is radically different and paves the wave for... -K20, derives from F20c *F22/K24 are variants
on the D series with devcon epoxy and a Vitara build with a z6 head (costed me $1000 total) was an easy 400whp on my Vx d15z1. D series is severely underrated with the right set up it can rip and tear your streets.
Shame you left out Honda's early engines, the roller bearing crank AK series from the T360/500, S-Series sports cars plus L700/800 and the DDAC air cooled 1300 engine are some of the most interesting engines Honda made
It was much a scenario of lack of information, apologies for the gaps there. If you have any links to documentation on them I would love to read up on it! Thanks for watching!
@@running2redline I can fully understand the why, both of these engines are rare and apart from the S800 none of the cars they were found in were ever exported outside of the Asia-Pacific region. Technical specs are easy enough to find but any information about common problems is probably going to be impossible without learning japanese
I'm not a super knowledgeable car guy, but my experience with the 1.5L turbo in my 2022 HONDA ACCORD SPORT SPECIAL EDITION has given me over two years and so far 30000 miles of trouble free combined daily highway and city driving (in Ohio) with decent passing power and great gas mileage, even when I drive "very spiritally." 😉 I'm very happy with my L15 turbo, thank you very much. Please note, I change my oil EVERY 5000 miles and I also fill my tank with a higher octane fuel than "87." Regular maintenance is key. So far, no issues, no regrets. Okay I'm done now. 😏
Great video, but coming from a jazz (euro martket fit) owner, you got one thing about the l series wrong. Not all l series motors came with vtec, namely the l13a1 and l12 euro engines, as well as there being a non vtec l15 for the south east asian market. this is due to them being twin spark (honda calls it idsi) as honda had to forego the bulkier 16v vtec head and instead change it to 8v to cram both the spark plugs in there. thanks to this, it allows for higher mpg (I've seen people claim up to 60 uk mpg before) and better low end torque with the downside of a comparatively low 6000 rpm redline.
Yep. I LOVE an inline 4 cylinder engine....in a supersport motorcycle. The I4 in my 2002 CBR954RR was perfect. Too bad Honda can't put the same amount of effort they put into their I4s, into actually making more RWD models with longevity and affordability, and either an I6 or V8 engine, to go in a car.
yeah, that’s my k20c2 in S tier lol 158 horsepower, lets go! yeah not every k series is very exciting but to be fair they take to mods well and are just fine and reliable
Top three comments say “the F series, D series, B series needs to be higher on the list…” comes to show nothing compared to the K series. The absolute most iconic Japanese engine. K series FTW!
Cool video, but you forgot the first i4 honda ever made (for cars) the ones found in the s500, s600 and s800, they notably have the highest redline of any honda engine and have really cool bearings that mean you don’t really need any oil pressure.
Can't say anything bad about the D-series! 🤷♂ My almost 30 years old 6th gen Civic EK3 1.5i LS hatch (D15Z6 / VTEC-E) from 1996 has gone through almost 124.000 miles and has never let me down. I still use it as a daily driver. The car is in original and good condition. Nothing tuned, modded or anything else. Rare these days, cause most old EK Civic's are totally messed up! Yes, it's not the strongest and fastest, but it's reliable and that is the main thing.
despite based from the same engine, There are differences of l15 turbo from the NA. Like slightly longer rods, different rods peak end hole/bore, press pin stock piston/rods in the turbo and floating pins in the stock NA, the absent of egr in the turbo, allegedly different head studs,etc. I live in hot tropical climate. The fuel dilution is more brought up in the turbo than NA and mostly in cold/winter climates. Barely hear dilution in hotter climates personally. My oil sample is totally fine either. But in colder climate i hear some bad stories about dilution especially from people who do 10k+miles honda recommended oil change. Also afaik the rod issues is reported on tuning/racing communities. For both NA and turbo. The stock rod tolerance is pretty tight for powerful than stock applications
D series needs to be higher. I had a 98 civic ex with a d16 a few years ago, paid 1200 bucks for it. I beat the absolute shit out of it every single day, like dumping the clutch bouncing it off the limiter. Never changed the oil the entire time i owned it and it never had any problems.
Had an A20A3 in an 86 Prelude Si, very torquey engine. 286k when i sold the car it never burned oil. Car was very quick off the line quicker than my 01 Prelude VTEC up to 3rd gear. Would love to see what a small turbo or a small shot of nitrous would do in it. H22 was a great engine, woid ove to have a 5G prelude with a Kswap and a snail.
Shout out F23A1. Have and will always love it but I think F series is carried by the F20 and maybe the Accord/Prelude F22A but that’s about it, afaik. At least in US terms. F23 is like bulletproof stock (can attest) but any sort of modifications beyond intake are pretty barren/scarce (would love to be proven wrong as I want to boost my Accord). 2.3L is a fun engine to romp on stock but if you’re looking to modify it in any sort of capacity beyond intake, would say go F20 or would recommend other Honda series engines instead. That’s with my limited knowledge though.
This is a great video but I thought I’d chime in to mention that not all iterations of B series are DOHC! My 1989 Honda prelude is a base model with twin carburettors and SOHC! :)
@running2redline oh I didt thx for the effort. I recently noticed I don't like how many of the Eningens are placed. May there is a good Reason why the did it this way but I see more reasons against it. So I ask my self why they placed the exhaust in front of the engine. Old Pugs with TU enigens are also build this way . Hot air from exhaust is pushed against the engine. You have to place the Engine higher, so the exhaust tube fits under , and is close to ur oil can. On the Time Attack civic champion from 24 on tusukba they turned the Engine around so the Airintake is in the front.
My best guess is it having to do with the transmission with so many Hondas being FWD, but now that you mention it, it is interesting how they’re placed.
@running2redline the transmission is definitely a solid tought. But as an example. The pug 206 came with TU Eningens, exhaust in the front and the EW Eningens, exhaust in the back. A Turbo build would be much easier in terms of space when the exhaust is in the Front. And just an curious example. Renault R5 GTE. Engines I build in in the length, and the gearbox is in the front. F weight destrobusion , just easy to change.
I’ve started to realize from comments that the opinions vary wildly, I think you’re on to something here. It seems a particular one might be problematic while the rest are fine, either way I think I was harsh there. Thanks for watching!
I have a A20A3 in my 86 accord hatchback and the alternator was in the most ridiculous position. I had to drop the engine a few inches in order to get it out, pain in the ass but great otherwise
I think overall. Honda and GM make the best 4 cylinders. Nissan has a very good one too especially the older ones. I know alot of people are gonna say GM is known for V8s and they absolutely are. But they have fantastic 4 cylinders as well and no stupid timing belts either. The LSJ/LNF/LTG have crazy power potential and the L61/LAP are super reliable. The 1.4T and the other opel engines don't count. Specifically the ones where the exhaust comes out the front. Those are junk.
R series should've been B tier. It's a solidly reliable economy engine that made decent power for regular (non-performance) driving. It also held up to low-mid boost well enough if you wanted. The casting issue seems overblown - I've been familiar with the R series since 2006 and this is the first time I'm hearing of it, 18 years later.
I was wondering what engine was in my friend’s new civic, but every source I looked at just said it was a 1.5L turbo, which doesn’t tell me a lot. Good to know it’s an L15, although I still much prefer my H22A
The J series was included in my Japanese V6 tier list video on my channel. The D series definitely needed to be higher though, I missed there. Thanks for watching!
Love it. Only you make videos for best engines in certain class. Can you make ultumate 4 cylinder diesel engines and petrol engines i am particularly interested in 2007 did mitsubishi pajero 3.2L 4 cyl engine common rail
Yes the 4M41 but with pajero/montero generation 4 they have changed the piston heads becouse on generation 3 piston heads tend to brake and there was some problem with the fuel pump and fuel reseroar tent to rust so those pr9blems were resolved with new piston head and in gen 4 there is common rail while in gen 3 were without cmmon rail.
I have one question. For the sixth generation Accord, which engine series was in the North American Accords? I’m curious cause my 2000 Accord lx have the ULEV 2.3 4 cylinder. I’m have been trying to figure this out over the the past year. So please help me 😭
There are a few possibilities. The best way to know for sure is to call any Honda dealer and ask them to check using your VIN. They will for free and it only takes a few minutes usually
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I would put the D-series higher. There’s so many stories of people running that engine to the moon and back with their turbos, and they would still hold. Seems like an A tier to me.
It does seem like I missed there, thanks for watching!
@@running2redline got a buddy just the other week at iCar had held the throttle down one of those old D16's and literally had it to the floor for 3 hours, still didnt blow up.
It hella depends from my experience the d15 is the best of the lot. The d16 is the one with all the issues. That being said i still thinks its the worst on the list
Yes D series is weak in Stock form but they Can hold lot of abuse. I mean rly a lot. I had like 9 civics (5 and 6gen) with D series in my life and they are more reliable than my B series Civic. And Also its rly impressive how much abuse they Can take even when they are in Bad shape. I had one that burn like 3 liter of oil every week and that shitbox was running for like 50k km without any missfires or anything. Then it burn Valve after but anyway its still impressive. And some D engines (like D16z6) with I/E/H and tune are fun with close gear gearbox in light chassis like eg hatch at 900kg when lightened.
I would definitely have rated the D series at least higher than the L series, waay too many issues with the newer accords
Sorry, but the F20C/F22C needs to be separate from the typical FWD single cam F series. Twin cam vs. single cam, timing chain vs. timing belt, etc. If anything, the F20C/F22C is more closely related to the K series.
I tried to make that distinction, I agree with you, a full separation may have been better. Thanks for watching!
@@running2redline he's right, I knew the GM of a Firestone in AZ, he had a Stock S2K Engine literally making 700 WHP and holding it for like 2 years of abuse lmao... I didn't believe him until he brought it in and showed me the dyno sheets, thing was insane! He defo had some hilarious stories of smoking boosted Mustangs etc.
Funny part is he sold it for a down payment on a C7 Z06 when they were new, the guy he sold it to wrapped the s2k around a tree within a couple hours of buying it, tried to commit insurance fraud on the guy who sold it lmao!
I don't know why they called the F20c/F22c an 'F' engine. It doesn't share anything from the SOHC F's found in the Accord. It's much closer to the K's
@@brianFeeney-mf5zy I tried finding info on why they called it an F series and could find next to nobody even asking about it
@running2redline not only does the f20 and f22 different but there are F20B which came as dohc vtec in the torneo and accords grade SIR and SIR-T and prelude type S which made 180 to 200hp depending on transmission.
D series is a hard A in my book. If you have a hard time fixing them, you're in the wrong hobby.
I completely agree, the only issue with them is their tq. numbers, but it's a single cam, imo the best single cam 4 cylinder ever made. My del sol si (d16z6) would and did wrap 8k rpm, gear after gear, everyday (with some oil consumption,I'll admit😂).
The d series also had a Dohc variant, with not much in relation to the sohc version. D16a2 or a6, unsure of the sub series, it was and obd0 motor though, with odd additions, vacuum advancing distributor, early mpfi. Very odd motors.
@@alexboore6417 i have a d16z6 and had no idea the D series ever came with 2 overhead cams, looks like there were a bunch of variants of them too. super cool
D series are highly modifiable tuner engines in this day and age, and many are still running 30 years later!
There are F22 engines still going with well over 300k miles also, and are tuner beasts, deserves the S2000 S tier 😁
Agreed. My D16Y7 is still running great after 28 years and 357K miles and they have been known to run for 400K-600K+ miles with no major issues. Same for the F series in the Accords, several have famously made it to over a million miles. With the exception of the D17, they are super easy to work on too.
Agreed. Single cam monster and very robust
F22a is a million mile engine, I think one example. I owned two 1992 accords, excellent engine, great mpg, built like a brick shithouse. Honda in the beginning of their golden age
Everyone's engines in the 90s could turn 300k. I've seen 1.9 Saturns with miles like that, and the Ford Zetec is famously long-lived as well. The D-series was great for fuel economy, but wasn't uniquely reliable or strong. I had to pour just as much oil into my Hondas as I did my Saturns.
@@JETZcorp Great points, lots of 90's engines will run forever. I'm sure a lot of the popularity of the D series is because the aftermarket support has always been outstanding and because it's a lesser cousin of the much more special B series. Stock for stock, the advantages of the D series over other similar engines are less dramatic for sure.
The K series is the true Japanese LS.
K is not a junk bandwagon LS
Cap that would go to the 2JZ and thats not debatable. And if were talking 4 cylinder that would go to the 4G63. Plenty of people making over 600 on unopened motors not even the valve covers taken off.
@@adrianzoto6435 You have to take into account the fact that you can find K-Series' in junkyards everywhere, just like LS'.
I would say the Toyota uz engines are the Japanese LS.
@@adrianzoto6435bruh not a soul is talking about power the LS is popular because of aftermarket support and so many crate and junkyard engines.
The D series should absolutely be placed higher. It was really hondas first taste of performance in commuter cars with the D16ZC DOHC VTEC. After a year and a couple months owning a 88 CRX with a ZC, every issue but one has been something with wiring or ECU. It leaks oil, but you’d expect a 36 year old engine with ~150k miles to leak. I thought i was a car guy when i first bought my CRX. I had no idea what the little engine would soon do to me. It’s really a perfect introduction to anyone who wants to get into cars. Sounds good with a full exhaust and cone intake, and damn easy to fix if you’re not afraid of some soldering.
If it weren’t for it being so early into ECUs with OBD0, it would easily get placed higher.
I still think NOx emissions were invented to take down Honda’s “ultra lean burn” engines
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Interesting theory and credit to Honda for pushing the boundary. Thanks for watching!
You can still tune their engines to run lean at 19
Other companies had lean-burn at various times, especially Chrysler. If you can believe it, they had a supercharged 3-cylinder direct-injection lean-burn 2-stroke ready to go into the Neon in 1998. It was going to be the top fuel-economy option. But, they looked at the NOx emissions and fuel prices and decided it wasn't worth the effort. This was in the same time when Honda was making VX and HX Civics with lean-burn, all coming with special cats and wide band O2 sensors to deal with it. Even back then, those cars were only 49-state legal. Chrysler ended up selling their direct-injection 2-stroke technology to Mercury Marine, who are still making outboards with those air-assist injectors from that Neon project.
Overall I think this is a good list. I would have to say that the B-series is Honda's "Smallblock Chevy" and the K-series would be Honda's "LS" engine, basically everything that was good about the B-series but even better.
K > B for na but I would argue that B > K for boost. B easier to work on, dont need to pull and reseal tcover for head work, easier to swap into cars, cost less
Would be more like Ls and Lt
Fastest Hondas are B20
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@@jack.9235 no they are not. I have a gsr swapped eg sedan and its does not compare to my friends ek sedan k24. B series for looks k series for speed. Stock for stock k will always win, boost for boost some story
for the K series list, you forgot the turbo K23 that was used in the 1st gen rdx from 2007 to 2012
The D series got sold 😭😭 believe every story of the D good or bad. Whatever they said. It’s true.
I think I missed there, thanks for watching
The Honda S2000 F20C engine was the Blueprint for them to produce the K-series, that is fact my friend.
Me and my itr agree with you that B series is an S tier engine. I mean sure, mine is burning oil and doesn’t win many drag races but the horsepower per liter and the reliability make it a godly engine. And the handling of my integra can embarrass so much on the road today so the sub 200 hp isn’t a problem for me.
Mine also burned so much oil. Still made good power some how. . .
As an enthusiast, looking to trade my current new car for a civic Si this year, the timing of this video is great
Glad you enjoyed it, and good luck with the search!
YESSSS! Been waiting for this video for so long!
Edit: although I am disappointed that my engine (L series) got c tier, I will say that the noises the turbo makes are so cool. I think it boosts to like 14.5 psi from the factory with the 1.5l variant.
If you enjoy it, that’s all that matters! I’m sure that turbo is a ton of fun, thanks for watching!
i make 21 tuned
Man, I'm lowkey jealous... I think the L series is great; my L15A1 (i think thats the proper engine code for what I've got) is still stock N/A. Somehow, even after 280,000 km (approx 170,000 miles) and just regular maintenance (no rebuilds yet), it still pulls hard up to 6000rpm, and somehow can also get about 5-5.5L/100km (I think thats around 45mpg).
D series should be an A or a B. What an absolute champ of an engine pre-D17 days. They just don’t die.
The K Series rocks. I have an FK8 Honda Civic Type R and in my 5 years of ownership I have had zero issues with my engine and the engine pulls right up to redline and I still get great MPGs. I am never selling this car and the reliability of the K Series engine makes long term ownership hassle free.
Welcome to the club. My F20b has 100s of all out passes seeing 9k rpms since 2007 and it's still high compression on all pistons. Like 240 across the board. Pro2 cams FBO
There’s a reason John cena drives one despite the money he’s got, such a great car, enjoy it!
@@running2redline Agreed!
@@TheBb6prelude Nice! Now that I had my FK8 for a while and my engine is warn in, I am using Prolong in my oil and I can already see my car idles smoother. I am definitely not selling this car. Filled it up today, ran some errands and even did some "spirited" driving next to a Camaro and my gas tank is still full. What a car and what an engine!
@@running2redline Agreed and thanks!
Before the E series there was Honda's first automotive engine that was used in all of Honda's earliest cars S360, T360 L700 etc.. and later the Honda 1300 engine, but I understand why they're not here, there is virtually no information about them. Still they deserve a mention for being very cutting edge and powerful engines in their day.
They were motorcycle engines repurposed for cars
glad to see my engine get s tier. k20z3 08 civic si
Honestly, I’m divided on the K-series. It’s a very solid engine, for the most part, and incredibly versatile. In the other hand, I can’t count the amount of K24s I’ve had to replace chains, guides, and VTC actuators due to their horrid startup rattle they develop as they wear out, That, and they are notorious for oil consumption, or fuel dilution in the GDI “Earth Dreams” variations. Still, they’re typically robust enough where you can ignore it for years if you stay on top of your oil level.
How bad is it bro h series demolishes oil too
I know that feeling mine used to. I built a H22a turbo a few years ago, and it is still going strong.
Still better than any Ford GM or Dodge 4 cylinder
Is the oil burning moreso on higher revving applications? Reason I ask is because if I run an untouched gen 4-5 CRV, Would I also encounter oil burning?
On my accord k24z3 I had to have Honda Canada redo the pistons and pistons rings for the oil burning. Then the vtc actuator, once the oil burning issue which is really serious is resolved and the replaced vtc it won’t grind again because you won’t lose oil.the oil travels to the vtc and keeps it lubricated
Always partial to the H Series myself. But no denying the K. Great motors, all of em
No respect for the D series. That engine was the reason Honda stayed in the conversation of best vehicles to own in the 90s. It's economical with a hint of sport. The B,H series was the sport engines. So the people that ruined them are at fault, not the D series.
#1The only time where you having major rod problems are people that are boosting it or crappy maintenance. There are engines that are still running 200,000 and up miles on these things with service and the right care. So it has longevity in the cards.
#2 cheap to maintain, compared to alot of other honda engines out there, and a God in the aftermarket.
#3 There is a D series cup, this little 1.6 gas sipper won races and (with the right driver and build) stole alot of sport cars lunch money😄. Oh and that aftermarket God? Throw $4000 to $6000 into CRX/2 door civic and watch people take there ball and go home.
#4 like you said, it gets almost the same amount of MPG as some current model cars.
#5 these cars are dirt cheap to insure. When I got my 2009 Acura TSX insured when it was new, I just shocked my head. Shout out to the S2000 owners that have to insure their ride😂
#6 sure it likes to make chocolate milk sometimes, but these other engines drink oil faster than a white girl trying to get wasted.
In short, I got love and respect for the J, B, H and K series, and strongly looking at getting a 2004 Type R in 2025. And throwing a head on it, and a few little odds and ends. People need to put respect on that D😂
All very valid points, I think I missed there. Thanks for watching and sharing this info!
Dont get me wrong, this is a great list, may i suggest doing another vid but adding more engines in it, with suggestions like these are the top 3 engines, and these are the engine that might need more aftermarket support to let's say 250-300hp or has the best MPG of all, longest lasting, at the end of the vid. Adding J and C series, and the diesel engines in the updated vid. But if you feel like the D series is still bottom tier then I understand. But just remember, it's not built to be a race engine, it's main purpose was to be a gas sipper, reliable, cheap. If graded on those the D series could be B to A tier, but rated at HP or HP per $ It would be C-
Had a f22 in my old honda, good god that motor is just a runner. Has 270k on it and still running lol
I whould have put D series higher, at least b tier. And ofc the S2000 issue like the others said. Other than that, good list
The R series gets way too much hate for the cracking blocks, since it only affected engines on the American market, meanwhile the European market version was free from that issue since day one.
Great list and think you hit everything right, but a bit disappointed in lack of distinction in the F20C/F22C from the F series.
(to be fair, that's on Honda. These motors should have had a different designation)
These motors are monsters with completely forged internals, that with a tune and an easy to install supercharger can make big power. Not to mention it took a decade for Ferrari to best the 120hp/L specific power output in the 458 italia. Truly a special engine worthy of its own spot in the S tier right next to the K series and B series.
Completely fair and I agree. I tried to make the distinction at 4:07 but I think I should have fully separated it. I’ll consider this scenario for future videos and really appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
You are unfair to the D series, they were actually reliable and fuel suppers, great engines. Honda should have been more stacked up together
the r18 engine block issues only applied to usdm
Had one crack really bad in Canada
It may not be the objectively best engine, but I’m a B series supremacist until I die. I’ve got an LS Integra, so no VTEC unfortunately, but even bone stock with no VTEC, it’s super fun, sounds amazing, is super easy to work on, and incredibly reliable
D series lives matter!✊
I’m sorry lol. I think I may have missed there, thanks for watching!
@@running2redline Don't sweat it, I'm just kidding. But I was surprised since I've heard that d series engines are superbly reliable.
Doing things like putting the S2000 engine in the A tier makes many of us question the accuracy of your lists
4:07 “I want to make it abundantly clear that the F20C is an S tier engine”
I probably should’ve separated it from the rest of the F series in hindsight, it was the F series as a whole I put there, but tried to make a clear distinction about the S2000 engine. Thanks for watching!
Ive been seeing alot of comments in regards to the J series. PLEASE NOTE that the J series as well as the C series were BOTH V6s. The video is strongly focusing in the Inline 4s Honda used to or still makes. Hope this helps
Thank you, I thought the title would’ve made that clear lol. My V6 video included each of those, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos and thanks for watching!
Okay, I have some things to say here.
1. The D series may have been gutless, but it’s the most indestructible engine I’ve ever owned (my D16Y7 had a spun bearing for the entirety of 2023 with no knock)
2. There are some R-series engines from ‘06 to ‘09 which got lucky. My ‘06 Civic with an R18 has had no coolant leaks or block cracks and it’s nearing 19 years of age and 308000km (191000 miles) no service invoices of the block ever being replaced.
I bought 2003 Accord euro about 6 months ago. It has the K24 in it.
I have to say, I was not expecting it to be as nice of a engine as it is... Yes it is not going to blow your mind in stock form but feels good and has more then enough power for a daily use and some fun!
R series owner here and i have a hairline crack on the bottom of my block still drive it every day and have 245k on it 😂 i think its pretty dang good considering ive put 190k on it myself
Can’t argue with results like that, Honda just doesn’t miss
Maaan i would have to put the H series in the S tier, Back in the day, it was the poor man’s K series. But they handle boost and lots of it.
Note that the R series early issue was for the US market only.
And Canada
The H22a lineage of engines makes the F series all weird, if you wanna hear me yap:
-H22a, starting point
-F20b, the sohc version is an original F series, but the DOHC is a destroked H22a.
-F20c, based on the F20b (some aspects), no connection to F series too, this engine is radically different and paves the wave for...
-K20, derives from F20c
*F22/K24 are variants
on the D series with devcon epoxy and a Vitara build with a z6 head (costed me $1000 total) was an easy 400whp on my Vx d15z1. D series is severely underrated with the right set up it can rip and tear your streets.
Shame you left out Honda's early engines, the roller bearing crank AK series from the T360/500, S-Series sports cars plus L700/800 and the DDAC air cooled 1300 engine are some of the most interesting engines Honda made
I could forgive him for that. I’ve never seen any solid information about the older engines and he probably hasn’t either.
It was much a scenario of lack of information, apologies for the gaps there. If you have any links to documentation on them I would love to read up on it! Thanks for watching!
@@running2redline I can fully understand the why, both of these engines are rare and apart from the S800 none of the cars they were found in were ever exported outside of the Asia-Pacific region.
Technical specs are easy enough to find but any information about common problems is probably going to be impossible without learning japanese
The D series is so underrated… such a solid motor!
D series should be in A tier. These engines are bulletproof!
Great video just missing the 18-21 clarity for the applications lift for the L series!
Had the A series in my 85 prelude si it was abused to no end and even at 460k miles still ran with problems. But it wouldn't die!
Also the d17 was garbage!
I'm not a super knowledgeable car guy, but my experience with the 1.5L turbo in my 2022 HONDA ACCORD SPORT SPECIAL EDITION has given me over two years and so far 30000 miles of trouble free combined daily highway and city driving (in Ohio) with decent passing power and great gas mileage, even when I drive "very spiritally." 😉 I'm very happy with my L15 turbo, thank you very much. Please note, I change my oil EVERY 5000 miles and I also fill my tank with a higher octane fuel than "87." Regular maintenance is key. So far, no issues, no regrets. Okay I'm done now. 😏
Beware of a Power steering failure on a R20 G3 CRV!!! Mine snapped and land in a ditch. My CRV now getting a K20Z3, Much reliable and fun!
Great video, but coming from a jazz (euro martket fit) owner, you got one thing about the l series wrong. Not all l series motors came with vtec, namely the l13a1 and l12 euro engines, as well as there being a non vtec l15 for the south east asian market. this is due to them being twin spark (honda calls it idsi) as honda had to forego the bulkier 16v vtec head and instead change it to 8v to cram both the spark plugs in there. thanks to this, it allows for higher mpg (I've seen people claim up to 60 uk mpg before) and better low end torque with the downside of a comparatively low 6000 rpm redline.
My L15CA running on 25psi stock! looking to buy a built short block and see what its capable of
Yep. I LOVE an inline 4 cylinder engine....in a supersport motorcycle. The I4 in my 2002 CBR954RR was perfect.
Too bad Honda can't put the same amount of effort they put into their I4s, into actually making more RWD models with longevity and affordability, and either an I6 or V8 engine, to go in a car.
A V8 in a Honda car would be sick!
L15 used in CR-Z, designated as LEA and a K24 used in the Element
BABE, HONDA 4 BANGER TIERLIST JUST DROPPED
yeah, that’s my k20c2 in S tier lol 158 horsepower, lets go!
yeah not every k series is very exciting
but to be fair they take to mods well and are just fine and reliable
Nice one, Redline!
Great vid!
Much appreciated!
I wouldn’t even put the F series motors in the same family. The F20B is more aligned with the H22
SSS+ tier:
MC22E
249cc inline-4
45 hp
18,000 RPM
Earth shattering 17 lb-ft torque
Top three comments say “the F series, D series, B series needs to be higher on the list…” comes to show nothing compared to the K series. The absolute most iconic Japanese engine. K series FTW!
K series is certainly one of the best!
K series so good they're still using it even in newer type Rs 😎
Cool video, but you forgot the first i4 honda ever made (for cars) the ones found in the s500, s600 and s800, they notably have the highest redline of any honda engine and have really cool bearings that mean you don’t really need any oil pressure.
Happy with my L15 direct injection, very low on fuel and reliable
Can't say anything bad about the D-series! 🤷♂
My almost 30 years old 6th gen Civic EK3 1.5i LS hatch (D15Z6 / VTEC-E) from 1996 has gone through almost 124.000 miles and has never let me down.
I still use it as a daily driver. The car is in original and good condition. Nothing tuned, modded or anything else. Rare these days, cause most old EK Civic's are totally messed up!
Yes, it's not the strongest and fastest, but it's reliable and that is the main thing.
D series is A tier those engines refuse to die and keep going with over 200,000 miles
Babe, wake up, Running2Redline posted
despite based from the same engine, There are differences of l15 turbo from the NA. Like slightly longer rods, different rods peak end hole/bore, press pin stock piston/rods in the turbo and floating pins in the stock NA, the absent of egr in the turbo, allegedly different head studs,etc.
I live in hot tropical climate. The fuel dilution is more brought up in the turbo than NA and mostly in cold/winter climates. Barely hear dilution in hotter climates personally. My oil sample is totally fine either. But in colder climate i hear some bad stories about dilution especially from people who do 10k+miles honda recommended oil change.
Also afaik the rod issues is reported on tuning/racing communities. For both NA and turbo. The stock rod tolerance is pretty tight for powerful than stock applications
F20C is arguably the best Honda I4 motor ever made I stock form. It can't be put in the same category as the other F series motors.
D series needs to be higher. I had a 98 civic ex with a d16 a few years ago, paid 1200 bucks for it. I beat the absolute shit out of it every single day, like dumping the clutch bouncing it off the limiter. Never changed the oil the entire time i owned it and it never had any problems.
man i always wanted a built d series, so cool pushing 400hp out of a SOHC
Everyone been waiting for this vid
I would say L15a7 in 08-13 fits engines are great reliability wise, too bad they don’t make much power
VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO!
Had an A20A3 in an 86 Prelude Si, very torquey engine. 286k when i sold the car it never burned oil. Car was very quick off the line quicker than my 01 Prelude VTEC up to 3rd gear. Would love to see what a small turbo or a small shot of nitrous would do in it. H22 was a great engine, woid ove to have a 5G prelude with a Kswap and a snail.
Shout out F23A1. Have and will always love it but I think F series is carried by the F20 and maybe the Accord/Prelude F22A but that’s about it, afaik. At least in US terms. F23 is like bulletproof stock (can attest) but any sort of modifications beyond intake are pretty barren/scarce (would love to be proven wrong as I want to boost my Accord). 2.3L is a fun engine to romp on stock but if you’re looking to modify it in any sort of capacity beyond intake, would say go F20 or would recommend other Honda series engines instead. That’s with my limited knowledge though.
This is a great video but I thought I’d chime in to mention that not all iterations of B series are DOHC! My 1989 Honda prelude is a base model with twin carburettors and SOHC! :)
Do one on Nissan next 😄 😎
Me watching this video with my 2003 honda civic with a 1.7 liter d17 engine ☹️
If you enjoy it, that’s all that matters! Honda doesn’t make a bad engine, any of them are a cut above most. Thanks for watching!
It is like you read my mind and said " k. Lets do a vid " 😅
Glad it worked out that way, enjoy!
@running2redline oh I didt thx for the effort. I recently noticed I don't like how many of the Eningens are placed. May there is a good Reason why the did it this way but I see more reasons against it.
So I ask my self why they placed the exhaust in front of the engine.
Old Pugs with TU enigens are also build this way .
Hot air from exhaust is pushed against the engine. You have to place the Engine higher, so the exhaust tube fits under , and is close to ur oil can.
On the Time Attack civic champion from 24 on tusukba they turned the Engine around so the Airintake is in the front.
My best guess is it having to do with the transmission with so many Hondas being FWD, but now that you mention it, it is interesting how they’re placed.
@running2redline the transmission is definitely a solid tought. But as an example. The pug 206 came with TU Eningens, exhaust in the front and the EW Eningens, exhaust in the back.
A Turbo build would be much easier in terms of space when the exhaust is in the Front.
And just an curious example. Renault R5 GTE. Engines I build in in the length, and the gearbox is in the front. F weight destrobusion , just easy to change.
Would love to see the N-engine added as it's a for cylinder engine but as a diesel
The F series was also in the CG accord and CD5 accord as a F22 or F23
I’m surprised the D series isn’t over the E series- I think most of the bad rep comes from the D17
I’ve started to realize from comments that the opinions vary wildly, I think you’re on to something here. It seems a particular one might be problematic while the rest are fine, either way I think I was harsh there. Thanks for watching!
a german l4 would be amazing 🙏
K-SWAP the world !
I have a A20A3 in my 86 accord hatchback and the alternator was in the most ridiculous position. I had to drop the engine a few inches in order to get it out, pain in the ass but great otherwise
I think overall. Honda and GM make the best 4 cylinders. Nissan has a very good one too especially the older ones.
I know alot of people are gonna say GM is known for V8s and they absolutely are. But they have fantastic 4 cylinders as well and no stupid timing belts either. The LSJ/LNF/LTG have crazy power potential and the L61/LAP are super reliable. The 1.4T and the other opel engines don't count. Specifically the ones where the exhaust comes out the front. Those are junk.
FYI, you forgot about the B20A and B21A from the 3rd gen prelude!
R series should've been B tier. It's a solidly reliable economy engine that made decent power for regular (non-performance) driving. It also held up to low-mid boost well enough if you wanted. The casting issue seems overblown - I've been familiar with the R series since 2006 and this is the first time I'm hearing of it, 18 years later.
That’s completely fair, thanks for watching
D series is really a great engine
I was wondering what engine was in my friend’s new civic, but every source I looked at just said it was a 1.5L turbo, which doesn’t tell me a lot. Good to know it’s an L15, although I still much prefer my H22A
you should do a Mitsubishi i4 tier list
You should do a video on BMW inline 6s or Nissans Inline 4s
I have BMW I6 engines, check out the video here:
ruclips.net/video/USXZu3erMrk/видео.htmlsi=3aRLBucQwELxQI3U
B series also had a B21 in a Prelude.
Gotta do Mazda next!
Can we get a Nissan i4 tier list next
D series the world 🥇🏆🔝
Support for B series is on the decline. Parts are much more scarce and expensive. But they go very very hard.
Interesting point, that must make building one a little less appealing
I’m pretty sure the F series went up to at least the 94 accords too, mine has an F22 VTEC which means it’s the F22B I think?
I’d put the d series higher, and also mention the j series
The J series was included in my Japanese V6 tier list video on my channel. The D series definitely needed to be higher though, I missed there. Thanks for watching!
Love it. Only you make videos for best engines in certain class. Can you make ultumate 4 cylinder diesel engines and petrol engines i am particularly interested in 2007 did mitsubishi pajero 3.2L 4 cyl engine common rail
The 4M41? Those are pretty reliable. Would have to be some European diesels in the S tier for their class though and Mazda diesels in F tier.
Yes the 4M41 but with pajero/montero generation 4 they have changed the piston heads becouse on generation 3 piston heads tend to brake and there was some problem with the fuel pump and fuel reseroar tent to rust so those pr9blems were resolved with new piston head and in gen 4 there is common rail while in gen 3 were without cmmon rail.
Maybe a Japanese 4 cylinder diesel list would be good. 3.2 liters out of a 4 cylinder is awesome!
The later version of the D series was an overall step down imo, the head gaskets failed a bit more also the bottom ends (rods, piston rings and shit)
Thanks!
I think those exploding R-series engines were strictly a North American thing.
I have one question. For the sixth generation Accord, which engine series was in the North American Accords? I’m curious cause my 2000 Accord lx have the ULEV 2.3 4 cylinder. I’m have been trying to figure this out over the the past year. So please help me 😭
There are a few possibilities. The best way to know for sure is to call any Honda dealer and ask them to check using your VIN. They will for free and it only takes a few minutes usually
You should do none vtec version 👍