It makes sense that Data would have the longest run as Captain of anyone. Unlike any Captain before him, Data cannot and will not age either physically or cognitively, his mind won't grow slower nor will his bones grow frail... He's a machine, and theoretically with a rotating crew he could be a starship captain indefinitely if he and starfleet desired to do so.
@@EisenbeisserDE yeah but since he's an android and they had B-4 on board, they could transfer his positronic pathways and memories into B-4 which would be equal to an resurrection (with a memory loss of around a day (or two) before his death)
Eisenbeisser DE It wasn’t intentional. B-4 was broken. They transferred Data’s pathways to B-4 in order to try to repair him. The ending implies that Data’s personality is starting to emerge in B-4 after the original Data’s death. Given that artificial beings routinely copy themselves (how many times has the Doctor copied or moved himself) and consider it their “true” self, there’s no reason to treat the resurrected Data any differently.
Yes, I feel sorry for poor Harriman as well. Imagine being stuck with "Tuesday" for the rest of your career. It would be interesting to know more about him. I'm thoroughly intruiged by Scott, as she was the first woman we saw as the commander of the Enterprise, and seemed a very impressive person. It would make for a rather sad series though, as we know the tragic end to her story. ("Yesterday's Enterprise" is one of my favourite TNG episodes.) I would love a new series set in the 25th century, as I feel the 23rd and 24th are already so crowded, it would be great to have a fresh slate.
There’s a Lost Era novel where he takes part in a Starfleet Intelligence operation that results in the Tomed Incident. He and a few other operatives hijack the Romulan flagship Tomed and send it on a suicide run at the Federation side of the Neutral Zone, overloading its singularity drive while at warp. The explosion destroys several Starfleet outposts, supposedly killing over 10,000 people. In reality, all the names on that list were already dead, and life sign generators were used to fake them. The only people to die were the Romulan Admiral Aventeer Vokar and his crew. Well, Harriman’s father died too, but that was an accident earlier in the book (they faked a new drive system by using transwarp with that stolen Romulan cloak). The final goal was to force the Klingons off their fence and stand on the side of the Federation in negotiations at Algeron (Azetbur was dragging her heels). Romulans chose to retreat to their territory but demanded that Federation not use cloak. They were fine with it. Honestly, given the underhanded nature of the operation, I’m surprised it was SI and not Section 31 doing it. SI is supposed to be the nicer one of the two. Bottom line: if you take this into consideration, then Harriman was a badass.
During the time wars Captain Archer was shown the Enterprise 1701 J. According to Captain Picard the "NX-01 is a Museum" its final Captain was T'Pol According to( a relative) Sarek
I would like to see what Spock would be like as a captain. Seeing space exploration and conflict from a Vulcan point of view is always interesting, and the few times we saw it with Spock, Tuvok, T'pol and others was great.
Although not canon, you can get a bit of that feel from the 1980s DC comics where Spock is given command of a small science vessel. It's kind of cool and would have made a fun spin-off series (animated perhaps?). Some weird but lovable characters among the crew.
I'd love to see you do an episode or series on the various alternate versions of the _Enterprise_ Hell, you should expand it and cover the alternates versions of hero ships in general. Also, I'd love for a series set in what's currently called The Lost Era. So much potential there for story telling.
How is Picard only 12 years? The D was 7.5 years. Then the E - Geordi says in First Contact that they’d been in space nearly a year so lets say 10 months. Then in Nemesis it’s been 15 years that the crew was together so... considering the 14 months between D & E, Picard commanded for approx 14 years plus anything post Nemesis.
Generations takes place around stardate 48632.4 (August 19th 2371), and First Contact around stardate 50893.5 (November 23, 2373), so it's about 27 months between the two. Geordi says in FC they've had about a year of shakedown time, which leaves about 14-15 months between the destruction of 1701-D and the launch of 1701-E.
petulant maybe not. We don’t know if Tasha was the last time he used his multiple techniques. Jenna from season 4 could have also been the last time, or maybe he had some experience not documented in TNG.
I always wanted to see a show with the Enterprise-B. Because, like you, the Excelsior is one of my favourite ships and the uniforms of that period are pure class. There's even room for a slight redesign of the uniform, maybe with a less turtleneck-y collar, before they transition to the collarless and beltless uniform seen in episodes of TNG.
@@faiththurmond1624I see it as being more experimental. Too much experimentation, probably, but I'd not call them completely "un-trek like." And wasn't the same argument of butchering Gene's vision leveled at DS9, which is now considered some of the best the series has to offer now? Something tells me hindsight will soften the edges of these shows over time. Especially if DIS season 2 is anything to go by.
Eh, infinite universe theory is canon from that episode that had worf jumping timelines. Picard the show is one timeline, captain data a different one.
IINM, Unfortunately, Paramount owns part of the IP and CBS owns another part. No one can produce anything in the prime universe without copyright infringement!
I like your treatment of the Enterprise-C recounting, from an in-universe perspective; a nice contrast to Lore Reloaded's 'chronological' following of events. Great video!
I just watched both parts and I must say that this was Superior analysis that was easy to understand and not long-winded. I always forget about the other captains who had appeared on occasion in the show or were in other types of Star Trek lore so I'm glad I saw this.
I agree with you sir on having a series focus on the Enterprise-B, after its near disastrous maiden voyage... 1) Love the Excelsior ship and the refit of it for the NCC-1701-B 2) Loved the movie uniforms as well 3) Loved the flawed (inexperienced) CO of the "flagship", because that gives great potential to have a show with a main character who has potential for a great deal of growth--as Kirk put it, but re-stated "risk is part of the responsibility if he wants to sit in that chair" Harriman relied on his name to get him to the top but then sort of choked when time called for him to be CO. The series could show his growth into a mature, memorable captain in the legacy of commanding Enterprise ships. 4) I think that time period provides a good transition time in Federation history between the Cold War era during the movies with the Klingons, to what caused the Romulans to go into isolation at the beginning of the 24th century. I feel like the E-B played a good role in reminding the Federation that they were out their for exploration and new discovers not to fly the flag and show the muscle that the refit Enterprise and Enterprise-A had to do because of the uneasiness with the Klingons. Plus there could be a proper introduction for the Cardassians, Breen, Nausicans, etc. (species we all saw show-up in TNG but not get a introduction) Finally, I could see a tip of the hat to the past when in the finale or finale season, a seasoned John Harriman could have an encounter with a young Jean-Luc Picard, maybe a chance encounter that would influence the future Enterprise captain's decision to join Starfleet.
The Excelsior wasnt refitted and became the Enterprise B. It was a brand new ship. Funny how most of the maiden voyages of the Enterprise never went smoothly. Always something went completely wrong!
@@kevinmoore2929 I don't think anyone could portray Data as the versatile Brent Spiner. Inevitably it would be the Kobiashi Maru of acting roles. I was a kid when Star Trek premiered on TV. I just can't get into the reboot. Almost thankfully it has died due to $ and egos.
Unfortunately CBS has decided that Data is dead, and B4 was never able to hold his engrams or anything like that. B4 was shut down, disassembled, and literally put inside some drawer. If the body had been placed into another piece of furniture, you could say he was shelved both literally and figuratively. But since Soong was the only one who could create such magnificent androids as Lore and Data, we are terribly unlikely to see their like again. No matter how hard Maddox tries.
Excellent! Thanks for this. Always wondered about the "unknown" eras of off-screen Trek. Had no idea Harriman was that deep of a character. An ENT-B series would be awesome.
I really really really enjoy your stuff. I would love to see more with the Enterprise J. The ship was so huge! I would love to see some love given to that massive lad in the future.
It’s beta content I know, but the novel Ship is the Line has Morgan Bateson (AKA Frasier) becoming the first captain of E-E, before handing command over to Picard. The ship was also built in the Typhon Expanse. Scotty was its designer and first chief engineer.
WOW Best one yet, absolutely amazing and great to watch, even got the loss of the B in that's hard to find anything about. Deffo becoming a subscriber to you. Cheers dude :) live long and prosper :)
Yeah, first Non Human to take command of the Enterprise, actually Data is the first Non Human to take command of the Enterprise. Captain Shon would be the first Organic Non Human instead.
What’s powerful of the Enterprise E and it’s crew is that it was one of the first Star Fleet vessels designed for war. This represented a significant shift in thinking for its design, the crew, it’s mission, the Captain’s leadership style and policies & procedures. This is more significant than is eluded to.
I thought most Starfleet vessels were designed for war, with the Galaxy-class being the main outlier. I know _STO_ isn't cannon, but it describes Connies as cruisers and Mirandas as frigates. And I'm pretty sure Kirk didn't have families on his ship. _USS Defiant_ and _USS Voyager_ , which were launched before _USS Sovereign_ , which was renamed _Enterprise-E_ , was ready, almost certainly did not have room for crew families, and they were certainly designed for war against the Borg.
While Data/Lore being Captain is definately in contention as established in Picard, we do know that Picard attempts to clean up and push towards what is otherwise in Star Trek Online. The IDW prequel comics for Picard (also called Countdown; though not related to 2009 countdown) do definately tie Picard to STO. Specifically, we see an Odyssey class ship in test flight.
As far as I can see Decker never really captained the enterprise, as all he did was oversee the refit and before decker could assume active command kirk took the captain's chair to commence the ships active roll upon leaving dry dock.
I'm fascinated by Captain Harriman. I want them to do some radio shows with that character. I'll bet after such a tragic first command that he was changed forever and became an excellent captain.
Hmm, it's worth noting here that in the books, B4 does not assume the mantle of a one-for-one replacement Data and Picard continues to captain the Enterprise, while Riker does his admiral thing with the Titan. Worf becomes the Enterprise' first officer, while La Forge remains chief Engineer.
I would like to see a series set around data in command. It might be a mini series... Or longer... But Data has been one of my favorite characters and I'd be genuinely curious to see him faced with more leadership dilemmas.
Kirk was also briefly captain of the Enterprise B (about 10 seconds in the chair). However, as a uniformed officer Kirk still ranked in seniority over Harriman and could plausibly take over if necessary at any time, which he essentially did as an assistant to Harriman.
A neat compilation of the history of the Enterprise and it's captains/crews. Over the years as I'd watched the movies and all the TV shows I always felt they should have created a character who started out in the 1st Star Trek movie then somehow made his way on to the Next generation and then to the reboot movies. Because, why not? Anything could happen.
Enterprise B ran into the jem'hadar when it went through the Wormhole before they found it in Deep Space Nine. They did release a plug on board and the ship was love to drift and the gamma quadrant. I read that in one of the Star Trek books about Enterprise B
I loved this, and yes, I would also love to see an "Alternate Enterprise" list. As far as a series based around a non-Kirk/non-Picard Enterprise, I'd like one for Capt. Demora Sulu; I'm very curious how her personality and command style resembled or differed from her father as well as other Enterprise captains.
The 'captain Picard' show, as you call it, is actually called "The Captain Picard Show". And it's a sketch comedy talk show (blunt talk / SNL). A hilarious running gag is that no one believes the stories the Voyager crew tells. Harry Kim leads the house band and gets teased constantly because he's still an ensign.
I could never understand why Harry wasn't promoted to lieutenant during the seven seasons in Voyager. The only thing I can imagine was that Janeway always thought of him as the new officer just graduated from the Academy. Harry did a lot of great stuff that merited a promotion.
I agree, Enterprise B era would be the most interesting because there's a lot of room for storytelling there. I know they are doing a Picard show but I'd love to see flashback episodes with a young Picard on the Stargazer in kind of a parallel storyline like Westworld or Lost.
If you are familiar with Star Trek Online, you might know, that after the Enterprise-E another ship of the Odyssey-Class, called Enterprise-E was commitioned in 2409. It is captained by the andorian Va'Kel Shon and appears throughout the events often to assist in various missions. And you forgot to mention Cpt. Morgan Bateson (formerly USS Bozeman) who oversaw the construction of the USS Enterprise-E and was supposed to take over that ship until the Enterprise-D was lost, and ultimately the command of the Enterprise-E was given to Jean-Luc Picard. Also, Cpt. Montgomery Scott worked on the construction of the Enterprise-E as well refitting severall components of the Enterprise-D.
Harriman always interested me. Wished they did something with him in a show. It would be interesting to see the guy who succeeded Kirk and how he dealt with that legacy
Great overview and very entertaining! However, you forgot to mention the Enterprise J, which is part of canon as it was visited by Captain Archer in "Enterprise."
Unfortunately, aside from, possibly, a single mission in star trek online there is no mention of who commands the enterprise J, or for how long they were in command. There was speculation that it was a Captain Dax [not Ezri of course] but who ever the symbiont was joined to at the time.
Indeed, the only time travel suspected to have occurred was based around the fact that Tasha Yar from an alternate timeline was among the survivors of the battle who was taken back to Romulus and eventually gave birth to a half-romulan daughter, Sela.
If Star Trek Online canon is going to be included, I must point out that the game has the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-F, Odyssey class and launched in the same year as its Sovereign class predecessor was decommissioned. The 3800 story arc has the player attending an anti-Borg conference at Deep Space Nine when one last wave of Dominion war ships from the war that dominated the writing for the last two seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. In the second to last mission in the story arc, Captain Vokel Shon sacrificed his ship, the Defiant class U.S.S. Belfast, to cover the player as they escape an escalating battle with an embarked VIP. Then, in the next mission, the player is tasked with infiltrating a Dominion occupied DS9 to assassinate the Jem'hadar commander. That Jem'hadar escapes to a ship and the mission transitions to a space battle. That space battle starts with the player's ship's shield drained to half because it had to fight its way in close enough to beam the player out and the battle goes downhill from there. Just then, a new ship bearing the name Enterprise, and commanded by Capt. Shon, warps in and completely reverses the course of the battle, just like the Enterprise did in First Contact against the Borg. Now, in my head canon, I picture that the Dominion decides to attend the now restarted conference, while the female changeling that was serving as general fleet commander of all Dominion forces in the alpha quadrant, and just so happens to be the VIP that was extracted from the battle where the Belfast was destroyed, is sent to experience life amongst the monks of P'jem, and Captain Vokel Shon is offered a long term command posting as Commanding Officer of the newly proven Odyssey class U.S.S. Enterprise. Captain Shon's most common assignments were hunting down Tal Shiar, who have been relegated to a fascist terrorist group trying to enforce the rule of the now almost totally collapsed Romulan Star Empire, and diplomatic relations with the newly formed Romulan Star Republic, the player faction if you decide to be a Romulan.
According to "Ship of the Line" by Diane Duane, the first captain of the Enterprise 1701-E was Captain Morgan Bateson, from the Soyuz class USS Bozeman (STTNG Cause and Effect). The book is about Picard's first mission on the Enterprise E when he takes command of the ship from Bateson.
@@mikearcher9390 That is as much 'canon' as some items presented about B and C. "Appeared to be a temporal incident" concerning C when canon is very clear that there was.
In reality Captain Garrett actually died in 2366, so she has an additional 22 years to add. Though that was through the temporal rift. And because Enterprise C was never recovered the Federation doesn't know her actual date of death.
Considering Generations reused a few things from Star Trek VI, I wonder if part of the reason for the Enterprise-B being Excelsior class was so that they didn't have to design a new ship.
Since you're bringing up Memory Beta content there are several novels that show the Enterprise E taking an active part in the Dominion war. Besides, being the ship that she is i highly doubt that Starfleet would keep her away from the frontlines
I honestly would like to see Picard stumble upon the Enterprise - B and give us the story and logs of what happened to her to create her disappearance. Possibly taking command of her and having her recommissioned as the StarGazer.
I'd like to see a series where the Federation (around the year 2700 or so) and their technology is unbeatable by any of the other factions. What would make it interesting for the first season is how they interact with everyone else in this position of power. The second season would see a technology that allows them to travel between Universes.
Enterprise D received a minor refit immediately after the initial Borg incursion and rescue of Picard as spoken by Riker at the end of Best Of Both Worlds pt. 2
NCC 1701-C with the original Rachel Garret. I think a series could have been built around her as portrayed by Tricia O'Neil. I also think this actress would have been my choice to command Voyager.
Y'know, thinking about it, it would be nice to see a storyline for the first ever five year mission of the Constitution Class Enterprise, with Captain Robert April - at-least in comic form. :)
Taking just novels into account which are considered canon until something on-screen contradicts them Picard was in command of D/E from 2375-2385 20 years in total, if you subtract time relieved from D and time between D & E it could be 19. However E was originally called Monarch and they rechristened it after the fact as an emergency replacement for the fleets flagship, something no Enterprise prior to D had ever officially been full-time. If you take the new Picard series he steps down from E sometime in or shortly after 2387 with the destruction of Romulus, bringing JLPs official time to 22 years.
I'd love it if you did more videos on or including "beta" content regardless of what corner of the Multiverse it takes place in i still believe beta content counts as Star Trek and can be just as interesting as "Canon" if not more so with how some Works connect elements from across the franchise together which I imagine might be a gold mine for video topics.
How about Captain Morgan of the USS. Bozeman? Introduced in STNG episode “Cause & Effect”. For Enterprise-E. He was given command. Technically being being a captain with the most seniority. (Due to his time loop episode). It was in one of the books taking place before movie 1st contact.
Wasn't he in command for about one mission then was like, "nah, new ships are too weird. Peace out."? I didn't included him here as he only has one thing referring to him in command that I could find where as Data had two sources, giving it a bit more likelihood of becoming canon.
@@CertifiablyIngame Comm Officer: "Hailing frequencies open, Captain." Morgan, "Thank you, Roz. Hello, this is Captain Morgan ... and I'm listening." LOL
5:13 - would Troi count with Riker and Jellico as temporarily commanding the Enterprise? She was basically in command for the whole episode in "Disaster". Same with Dr. Crusher in "Descent, Pt. 2" and Data in "Gambit, Pt. 2"
I really hope that we get to see the Enterprise-E in the new Picard series. It will be an old ship by then, at least 30 years old since the show is said to be taking place 20 years after the end of Nemesis. I'd like to believe that the ship lasted longer than the Enterprise-D since the galaxy class was designed for diplomatic exploration while the sovereign class was designed for war since the Federation finally woke up after getting their butt kicked at Wolf-359.
I find it interesting so many people are assuming the "Picard series" will: 1) be Picard-centric, 2) Take place post-Nemesis, 3) feature Patrick Stewart in the role of JLP. The only thing he said when he made his announcement was that Picard was coming back. It could be an animated series set on the Stargazer. It could be a live action show with Picard in Starfleet Academy. It could be a Mirror-Universe series about Mirror-Picard as a new Terran Emperor, reclaiming the Empire's former glory after the sad state we learn of in the DS9 Mirror episodes. It could literally be anything featuring the character of Jean-Luc Picard, with or without Patrick Stewart.
I think it’s pretty obviously that Patrick Stewart is going to be involved in the way he has been central in announcing it. Now, I do concede that there is a small chance that his involvement is one of a narrator talking about his youth, but i think this is unlikely to have gotten him as excited as he seems.
I'm not accusing him of misleading. He's not the one speculating. Again, all he's said is that the character is returning. I just think people are being really quick to read in to the announcement.
According to the Autobiography of Jean-Luc Picard(David A. Goodman and Patrick Stewart as the title character) Demora Sulu was Captain Picard's commanding officer while he was Captain of the USS Stargazer.
To play devil's advocate, the Enterprise was also commanded by the M-5 unit. It was a short, and nearly suicidal, command -- but memorable nonetheless. :)
I want to see more on Captain Pike Obviously we are getting to see him in the new “Strange New Worlds” show coming soon but I’m hopeful that with that we may learn not only more on him but also more about Robert April and more on Captain Kirk’s rise to command
It makes sense that Data would have the longest run as Captain of anyone. Unlike any Captain before him, Data cannot and will not age either physically or cognitively, his mind won't grow slower nor will his bones grow frail... He's a machine, and theoretically with a rotating crew he could be a starship captain indefinitely if he and starfleet desired to do so.
Well every machine eventually gets too old and stops working
@@LavaDa1shi Not if it's repaired and maintained.
Yeah well Star Trek Picard killed that theory
@@scpguy1381 doesn't count. It's bad, so ignore it.
@@OmniGundam777 Not how that works
You know, I'm totally fine with Data having the longest run. If anyone was worthy of the Captain's Chair, it was him.
Wasn´t he destroyed in " Nemesis"?
@@EisenbeisserDE yeah but since he's an android and they had B-4 on board, they could transfer his positronic pathways and memories into B-4 which would be equal to an resurrection (with a memory loss of around a day (or two) before his death)
@@Soraphis91 Wouldn't it be ethically questionable to simply exchange his identity?
Eisenbeisser DE It wasn’t intentional. B-4 was broken. They transferred Data’s pathways to B-4 in order to try to repair him. The ending implies that Data’s personality is starting to emerge in B-4 after the original Data’s death. Given that artificial beings routinely copy themselves (how many times has the Doctor copied or moved himself) and consider it their “true” self, there’s no reason to treat the resurrected Data any differently.
@@artembentsionov , okay, now I got it. Thank you for your comments. :)
Poor Harriman. First his best friend trashed his dad's car, then some old dude trashed his dad's spaceship.
LOL
Lololol
Bueller, Bueller, Bueller!!!
Then working for a crazy mayor
Hey he was pretty successful at the mayor's office
Yes, I feel sorry for poor Harriman as well. Imagine being stuck with "Tuesday" for the rest of your career. It would be interesting to know more about him. I'm thoroughly intruiged by Scott, as she was the first woman we saw as the commander of the Enterprise, and seemed a very impressive person. It would make for a rather sad series though, as we know the tragic end to her story. ("Yesterday's Enterprise" is one of my favourite TNG episodes.) I would love a new series set in the 25th century, as I feel the 23rd and 24th are already so crowded, it would be great to have a fresh slate.
There’s a Lost Era novel where he takes part in a Starfleet Intelligence operation that results in the Tomed Incident. He and a few other operatives hijack the Romulan flagship Tomed and send it on a suicide run at the Federation side of the Neutral Zone, overloading its singularity drive while at warp. The explosion destroys several Starfleet outposts, supposedly killing over 10,000 people. In reality, all the names on that list were already dead, and life sign generators were used to fake them. The only people to die were the Romulan Admiral Aventeer Vokar and his crew. Well, Harriman’s father died too, but that was an accident earlier in the book (they faked a new drive system by using transwarp with that stolen Romulan cloak).
The final goal was to force the Klingons off their fence and stand on the side of the Federation in negotiations at Algeron (Azetbur was dragging her heels). Romulans chose to retreat to their territory but demanded that Federation not use cloak. They were fine with it.
Honestly, given the underhanded nature of the operation, I’m surprised it was SI and not Section 31 doing it. SI is supposed to be the nicer one of the two.
Bottom line: if you take this into consideration, then Harriman was a badass.
"Picard show could rewrite" ..how true...
in fact it did, to worf
During the time wars Captain Archer was shown the Enterprise 1701 J. According to Captain Picard the "NX-01 is a Museum" its final Captain was T'Pol According to( a relative) Sarek
I would like to see what Spock would be like as a captain. Seeing space exploration and conflict from a Vulcan point of view is always interesting, and the few times we saw it with Spock, Tuvok, T'pol and others was great.
Although not canon, you can get a bit of that feel from the 1980s DC comics where Spock is given command of a small science vessel. It's kind of cool and would have made a fun spin-off series (animated perhaps?). Some weird but lovable characters among the crew.
Tricia O'Neil - Captain Rachel Garrett - is 73!!! She will always be in my memory as the 45 year old Captain and hero!
I consider her a hero. She is as important as anyone else in that "seat".
I want to see an episode of Spot, Chester, and Porthos
What kind of pet is Chester and whom did he belong to?
@@BeckettSong cat, and chief O'Brien.
As long as his other pet, Christina doesn't show up...
I had a cat named Chester once.
If that happens I'm all about Guest Spots by General Martok's old runaway pet Targ.
I'd love to see you do an episode or series on the various alternate versions of the _Enterprise_
Hell, you should expand it and cover the alternates versions of hero ships in general.
Also, I'd love for a series set in what's currently called The Lost Era. So much potential there for story telling.
How is Picard only 12 years? The D was 7.5 years. Then the E - Geordi says in First Contact that they’d been in space nearly a year so lets say 10 months. Then in Nemesis it’s been 15 years that the crew was together so... considering the 14 months between D & E, Picard commanded for approx 14 years plus anything post Nemesis.
Brilliant!
14 months ? Lol try 3 years!!!
Generations takes place around stardate 48632.4 (August 19th 2371), and First Contact around stardate 50893.5 (November 23, 2373), so it's about 27 months between the two. Geordi says in FC they've had about a year of shakedown time, which leaves about 14-15 months between the destruction of 1701-D and the launch of 1701-E.
petulant maybe not. We don’t know if Tasha was the last time he used his multiple techniques. Jenna from season 4 could have also been the last time, or maybe he had some experience not documented in TNG.
Clearly, C.I. is too lazy to get its facts correct.
I always wanted to see a show with the Enterprise-B. Because, like you, the Excelsior is one of my favourite ships and the uniforms of that period are pure class. There's even room for a slight redesign of the uniform, maybe with a less turtleneck-y collar, before they transition to the collarless and beltless uniform seen in episodes of TNG.
Although 2 years have passed, Star Trek: Picard now debuncs that Data, did not in fact, get resurrected through B4 and become a captain.
Too bad discovery and Picard aren't real Star Trek. They have the cannon and financial backing but imo they are the rape of Roddenberry's vision.
Spoiler alert!?!
@@faiththurmond1624I see it as being more experimental. Too much experimentation, probably, but I'd not call them completely "un-trek like." And wasn't the same argument of butchering Gene's vision leveled at DS9, which is now considered some of the best the series has to offer now? Something tells me hindsight will soften the edges of these shows over time. Especially if DIS season 2 is anything to go by.
Yeah. Shame. At least PIC gave him a solid sendoff.
Eh, infinite universe theory is canon from that episode that had worf jumping timelines. Picard the show is one timeline, captain data a different one.
Anything in the future of the prime universe, post-DS9/Dominion War would be ideal. Let's see the next story, not the past story!
IINM, Unfortunately, Paramount owns part of the IP and CBS owns another part. No one can produce anything in the prime universe without copyright infringement!
Maybe Disney will end up purchasing both parts, you never know.
Jacques Gauthier and destroying Star Trek too yeah
Try Star Trek online its basically a sequel in video game form
Lonks Adventure it’s fun for a while it gets very boring and repetitive
Enterprise-C and Garrett. I've always loved the Ambassador class.
I like your treatment of the Enterprise-C recounting, from an in-universe perspective; a nice contrast to Lore Reloaded's 'chronological' following of events.
Great video!
What I like the most about Star Trek (and Doctor Who) canon is that it's all canon till it's not. Good job putting it all together!
I just watched both parts and I must say that this was Superior analysis that was easy to understand and not long-winded. I always forget about the other captains who had appeared on occasion in the show or were in other types of Star Trek lore so I'm glad I saw this.
Would love to see an updated version in light of Picard Season 3
I agree with you sir on having a series focus on the Enterprise-B, after its near disastrous maiden voyage...
1) Love the Excelsior ship and the refit of it for the NCC-1701-B
2) Loved the movie uniforms as well
3) Loved the flawed (inexperienced) CO of the "flagship", because that gives great potential to have a show with a main character who has potential for a great deal of growth--as Kirk put it, but re-stated "risk is part of the responsibility if he wants to sit in that chair" Harriman relied on his name to get him to the top but then sort of choked when time called for him to be CO. The series could show his growth into a mature, memorable captain in the legacy of commanding Enterprise ships.
4) I think that time period provides a good transition time in Federation history between the Cold War era during the movies with the Klingons, to what caused the Romulans to go into isolation at the beginning of the 24th century. I feel like the E-B played a good role in reminding the Federation that they were out their for exploration and new discovers not to fly the flag and show the muscle that the refit Enterprise and Enterprise-A had to do because of the uneasiness with the Klingons. Plus there could be a proper introduction for the Cardassians, Breen, Nausicans, etc. (species we all saw show-up in TNG but not get a introduction)
Finally, I could see a tip of the hat to the past when in the finale or finale season, a seasoned John Harriman could have an encounter with a young Jean-Luc Picard, maybe a chance encounter that would influence the future Enterprise captain's decision to join Starfleet.
The Excelsior wasnt refitted and became the Enterprise B. It was a brand new ship. Funny how most of the maiden voyages of the Enterprise never went smoothly. Always something went completely wrong!
I really want to see: "This is Captain Data of the Enterprise", but that'll likely never happen on tv.
And it will never happen with Brent Spiner in the role.
It won't happen now :
Unless of course some holy figure gets ahold of Star Trek's IP after CBS rams it into the ground
@@kevinmoore2929 I don't think anyone could portray Data as the versatile Brent Spiner. Inevitably it would be the Kobiashi Maru of acting roles. I was a kid when Star Trek premiered on TV. I just can't get into the reboot. Almost thankfully it has died due to $ and egos.
Unfortunately CBS has decided that Data is dead, and B4 was never able to hold his engrams or anything like that. B4 was shut down, disassembled, and literally put inside some drawer. If the body had been placed into another piece of furniture, you could say he was shelved both literally and figuratively. But since Soong was the only one who could create such magnificent androids as Lore and Data, we are terribly unlikely to see their like again. No matter how hard Maddox tries.
Excellent! Thanks for this. Always wondered about the "unknown" eras of off-screen Trek. Had no idea Harriman was that deep of a character. An ENT-B series would be awesome.
The series will be here tuesday
Along with the sickbay staff, the photon torpedoes, and that damn tractor beam, hopefully.
I really really really enjoy your stuff. I would love to see more with the Enterprise J. The ship was so huge! I would love to see some love given to that massive lad in the future.
It’s beta content I know, but the novel Ship is the Line has Morgan Bateson (AKA Frasier) becoming the first captain of E-E, before handing command over to Picard. The ship was also built in the Typhon Expanse. Scotty was its designer and first chief engineer.
The fact that Sulu's daughter became the captain of the Enterprise B fills me such pride and joy for some reason. As does Data serving for so long.
WOW Best one yet, absolutely amazing and great to watch, even got the loss of the B in that's hard to find anything about. Deffo becoming a subscriber to you. Cheers dude :) live long and prosper :)
All of the Captains were incredible. All are 5 stars in my books.
Man countinue with star trek love your work keep IT UP
Aww no Captain Shon.
He is my 2nd favorite Andorian next to Shran, maybe Certifiably Ingame will do a part 3 with Enterprises F and J.
Yeah, first Non Human to take command of the Enterprise, actually Data is the first Non Human to take command of the Enterprise. Captain Shon would be the first Organic Non Human instead.
Spock
@@RafaleC77th damn, knew I was forgetting someone. Thanks.
The Enterprise captain who reforged peace with the Klingons by formally admitting the Federation was in the wrong.
Shon is best captain.
What’s powerful of the Enterprise E and it’s crew is that it was one of the first Star Fleet vessels designed for war. This represented a significant shift in thinking for its design, the crew, it’s mission, the Captain’s leadership style and policies & procedures. This is more significant than is eluded to.
I thought most Starfleet vessels were designed for war, with the Galaxy-class being the main outlier. I know _STO_ isn't cannon, but it describes Connies as cruisers and Mirandas as frigates. And I'm pretty sure Kirk didn't have families on his ship. _USS Defiant_ and _USS Voyager_ , which were launched before _USS Sovereign_ , which was renamed _Enterprise-E_ , was ready, almost certainly did not have room for crew families, and they were certainly designed for war against the Borg.
@@BNuts "canon". A cannon is a large bore projectile firing weapon.
@@Ironfangzu Huh, so that's what you choose to nitpick? Truly, a _Star Trek_ fan.
But I love to fire ma headcannon.
While Data/Lore being Captain is definately in contention as established in Picard, we do know that Picard attempts to clean up and push towards what is otherwise in Star Trek Online. The IDW prequel comics for Picard (also called Countdown; though not related to 2009 countdown) do definately tie Picard to STO. Specifically, we see an Odyssey class ship in test flight.
Capt, picard, & admiral kirk, my favorite in startrek;-)
As far as I can see Decker never really captained the enterprise, as all he did was oversee the refit and before decker could assume active command kirk took the captain's chair to commence the ships active roll upon leaving dry dock.
that still makes Decker captain. A captain can oversee the fitting out, or refit, of his own ship.
I'm fascinated by Captain Harriman. I want them to do some radio shows with that character. I'll bet after such a tragic first command that he was changed forever and became an excellent captain.
I'd love to see a series on 1701B and C. Either or
Hmm, it's worth noting here that in the books, B4 does not assume the mantle of a one-for-one replacement Data and Picard continues to captain the Enterprise, while Riker does his admiral thing with the Titan. Worf becomes the Enterprise' first officer, while La Forge remains chief Engineer.
We all know how the C ends but I would still like to see at least a mini series on it.
I would like to see a series set around data in command. It might be a mini series... Or longer... But Data has been one of my favorite characters and I'd be genuinely curious to see him faced with more leadership dilemmas.
My favorite Enterprise was the "D". It reminded me of the luxury cars of the 90s. lol
Kirk was also briefly captain of the Enterprise B (about 10 seconds in the chair). However, as a uniformed officer Kirk still ranked in seniority over Harriman and could plausibly take over if necessary at any time, which he essentially did as an assistant to Harriman.
A neat compilation of the history of the Enterprise and it's captains/crews. Over the years as I'd watched the movies and all the TV shows I always felt they should have created a character who started out in the 1st Star Trek movie then somehow made his way on to the Next generation and then to the reboot movies. Because, why not? Anything could happen.
Like the 1976 Norman Connors Love Song "you are my starship" featuring Michael Henderson. "Come Beam Me Up Tonight".
Enterprise B ran into the jem'hadar when it went through the Wormhole before they found it in Deep Space Nine. They did release a plug on board and the ship was love to drift and the gamma quadrant. I read that in one of the Star Trek books about Enterprise B
you did a good job with it. I'm probably want a few but I do appreciate the list. yes. I would like to see a list of Klingon houses as well.
The immortal Captain Data!
This video needs to be updated with Picard coming out.
You have done a good job of unscrambling this mess lol.
Beta canon plays it usually pretty safe, and it's good supplement to the Alpha cannon, it's the Gamma canon you gotta comb through.
There was also time traveling Enterprise featured in Enterprise series but no data on the captain I know of.
Also the Enterprise J
True, but Archer undid the timeline of E2, so Captain Lorien presumably never went on record.
I would like to have one series for every ship :)
I enjoyed your time line of captains. Great vid series!
I loved this, and yes, I would also love to see an "Alternate Enterprise" list. As far as a series based around a non-Kirk/non-Picard Enterprise, I'd like one for Capt. Demora Sulu; I'm very curious how her personality and command style resembled or differed from her father as well as other Enterprise captains.
Sadly there is not much alpha canon about the other side of the mirror.
I think he was going more for wanting a new official series based around Demora Sulu as Captain of the Enterprise-B.
The 'captain Picard' show, as you call it, is actually called "The Captain Picard Show". And it's a sketch comedy talk show (blunt talk / SNL). A hilarious running gag is that no one believes the stories the Voyager crew tells. Harry Kim leads the house band and gets teased constantly because he's still an ensign.
I could never understand why Harry wasn't promoted to lieutenant during the seven seasons in Voyager. The only thing I can imagine was that Janeway always thought of him as the new officer just graduated from the Academy. Harry did a lot of great stuff that merited a promotion.
I agree, Enterprise B era would be the most interesting because there's a lot of room for storytelling there. I know they are doing a Picard show but I'd love to see flashback episodes with a young Picard on the Stargazer in kind of a parallel storyline like Westworld or Lost.
Outstanding videos, thanks!
yes another list! and this was fun to watch
If you are familiar with Star Trek Online, you might know, that after the Enterprise-E another ship of the Odyssey-Class, called Enterprise-E was commitioned in 2409. It is captained by the andorian Va'Kel Shon and appears throughout the events often to assist in various missions. And you forgot to mention Cpt. Morgan Bateson (formerly USS Bozeman) who oversaw the construction of the USS Enterprise-E and was supposed to take over that ship until the Enterprise-D was lost, and ultimately the command of the Enterprise-E was given to Jean-Luc Picard. Also, Cpt. Montgomery Scott worked on the construction of the Enterprise-E as well refitting severall components of the Enterprise-D.
No Captain Data. B4 couldn't handle his matrix and he's still deader than the dodo.
Only after being retconned by ST: Picard
we don't recognize Star TP here as canon.
Poor Dodo i mean Data. he was one of my favorites characters.
Alternate License doesn't count. It legally doesn't count.
Wait, the dodo is dead??? I thought it ended up in the Nexus. :)
Harriman always interested me. Wished they did something with him in a show. It would be interesting to see the guy who succeeded Kirk and how he dealt with that legacy
Great overview and very entertaining! However, you forgot to mention the Enterprise J, which is part of canon as it was visited by Captain Archer in "Enterprise."
He explains that in part 1.
Unfortunately, aside from, possibly, a single mission in star trek online there is no mention of who commands the enterprise J, or for how long they were in command. There was speculation that it was a Captain Dax [not Ezri of course] but who ever the symbiont was joined to at the time.
@@dabigcheezprod No he doesn't, I checked. Unless I missed something or misinterpreted something.
That would be skipping the F, G, H and I
I would love to see a fleshed out story of C, with tons of well researched wibbly wobbly time travel stuff to account for the ship.
As far as history is concerned there was basically no time travel.
Indeed, the only time travel suspected to have occurred was based around the fact that Tasha Yar from an alternate timeline was among the survivors of the battle who was taken back to Romulus and eventually gave birth to a half-romulan daughter, Sela.
Best question is why didnt Temporal Integrity Commission repair the time stream thus Sela would have never been born?
The Ambassador class was the first one to have a fully functional disco
Fitting for the name and purpose
I thought disco was dead? (Sorry, lame allusion to the Mystery Men lol.)
Well done on both video’s. Excellent 👍🏼
If Star Trek Online canon is going to be included, I must point out that the game has the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-F, Odyssey class and launched in the same year as its Sovereign class predecessor was decommissioned. The 3800 story arc has the player attending an anti-Borg conference at Deep Space Nine when one last wave of Dominion war ships from the war that dominated the writing for the last two seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. In the second to last mission in the story arc, Captain Vokel Shon sacrificed his ship, the Defiant class U.S.S. Belfast, to cover the player as they escape an escalating battle with an embarked VIP. Then, in the next mission, the player is tasked with infiltrating a Dominion occupied DS9 to assassinate the Jem'hadar commander. That Jem'hadar escapes to a ship and the mission transitions to a space battle. That space battle starts with the player's ship's shield drained to half because it had to fight its way in close enough to beam the player out and the battle goes downhill from there. Just then, a new ship bearing the name Enterprise, and commanded by Capt. Shon, warps in and completely reverses the course of the battle, just like the Enterprise did in First Contact against the Borg. Now, in my head canon, I picture that the Dominion decides to attend the now restarted conference, while the female changeling that was serving as general fleet commander of all Dominion forces in the alpha quadrant, and just so happens to be the VIP that was extracted from the battle where the Belfast was destroyed, is sent to experience life amongst the monks of P'jem, and Captain Vokel Shon is offered a long term command posting as Commanding Officer of the newly proven Odyssey class U.S.S. Enterprise. Captain Shon's most common assignments were hunting down Tal Shiar, who have been relegated to a fascist terrorist group trying to enforce the rule of the now almost totally collapsed Romulan Star Empire, and diplomatic relations with the newly formed Romulan Star Republic, the player faction if you decide to be a Romulan.
You also have the Captain Dax of the Enterprise J...that we know very little of save for having command at the Battle of Procyon...
According to "Ship of the Line" by Diane Duane, the first captain of the Enterprise 1701-E was Captain Morgan Bateson, from the Soyuz class USS Bozeman (STTNG Cause and Effect). The book is about Picard's first mission on the Enterprise E when he takes command of the ship from Bateson.
could we stick to CANON? CHRIST!
@@mikearcher9390 That is as much 'canon' as some items presented about B and C. "Appeared to be a temporal incident" concerning C when canon is very clear that there was.
In reality Captain Garrett actually died in 2366, so she has an additional 22 years to add. Though that was through the temporal rift. And because Enterprise C was never recovered the Federation doesn't know her actual date of death.
um, she was killed in the episode
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you!
Yes please do more of these episodes thanks
Considering Generations reused a few things from Star Trek VI, I wonder if part of the reason for the Enterprise-B being Excelsior class was so that they didn't have to design a new ship.
Rick, I’d like to see more of the Enterprise C and B.
It all started with the first 5 years mission with captain Robert April . Would like to see a movie or show
Since you're bringing up Memory Beta content there are several novels that show the Enterprise E taking an active part in the Dominion war. Besides, being the ship that she is i highly doubt that Starfleet would keep her away from the frontlines
I honestly would like to see Picard stumble upon the Enterprise - B and give us the story and logs of what happened to her to create her disappearance. Possibly taking command of her and having her recommissioned as the StarGazer.
Very entertaining. Thank you 👍
I'd like to see a series where the Federation (around the year 2700 or so) and their technology is unbeatable by any of the other factions. What would make it interesting for the first season is how they interact with everyone else in this position of power. The second season would see a technology that allows them to travel between Universes.
Captain Garrett should get her own show.
Well done.
Thanks
Enterprise D received a minor refit immediately after the initial Borg incursion and rescue of Picard as spoken by Riker at the end of Best Of Both Worlds pt. 2
NCC 1701-C with the original Rachel Garret. I think a series could have been built around her as portrayed by Tricia O'Neil. I also think this actress would have been my choice to command Voyager.
I'd like to see more of 1701-C focusing on the last 5 years
Nice work! Thank you!
Y'know, thinking about it, it would be nice to see a storyline for the first ever five year mission of the Constitution Class Enterprise, with Captain Robert April - at-least in comic form. :)
Great video. Thanks for the upload. 👾
Taking just novels into account which are considered canon until something on-screen contradicts them Picard was in command of D/E from 2375-2385 20 years in total, if you subtract time relieved from D and time between D & E it could be 19. However E was originally called Monarch and they rechristened it after the fact as an emergency replacement for the fleets flagship, something no Enterprise prior to D had ever officially been full-time. If you take the new Picard series he steps down from E sometime in or shortly after 2387 with the destruction of Romulus, bringing JLPs official time to 22 years.
I'd love it if you did more videos on or including "beta" content regardless of what corner of the Multiverse it takes place in i still believe beta content counts as Star Trek and can be just as interesting as "Canon" if not more so with how some Works connect elements from across the franchise together which I imagine might be a gold mine for video topics.
Is Star Trek Disc canon? If so they can write any crap they want and expect it to be canon, loved by fans young and old alike.
Enterprise J’s captain is Romulan. Suggesting the remnants of the once powerful Romulan Empire, now a Republic joined the Federation.
How about Captain Morgan of the USS. Bozeman? Introduced in STNG episode “Cause & Effect”.
For Enterprise-E. He was given command. Technically being being a captain with the most seniority. (Due to his time loop episode).
It was in one of the books taking place before movie 1st contact.
Wasn't he in command for about one mission then was like, "nah, new ships are too weird. Peace out."? I didn't included him here as he only has one thing referring to him in command that I could find where as Data had two sources, giving it a bit more likelihood of becoming canon.
@@CertifiablyIngame Comm Officer: "Hailing frequencies open, Captain." Morgan, "Thank you, Roz. Hello, this is Captain Morgan ... and I'm listening." LOL
5:13 - would Troi count with Riker and Jellico as temporarily commanding the Enterprise? She was basically in command for the whole episode in "Disaster". Same with Dr. Crusher in "Descent, Pt. 2" and Data in "Gambit, Pt. 2"
I really hope that we get to see the Enterprise-E in the new Picard series. It will be an old ship by then, at least 30 years old since the show is said to be taking place 20 years after the end of Nemesis. I'd like to believe that the ship lasted longer than the Enterprise-D since the galaxy class was designed for diplomatic exploration while the sovereign class was designed for war since the Federation finally woke up after getting their butt kicked at Wolf-359.
I find it interesting so many people are assuming the "Picard series" will: 1) be Picard-centric, 2) Take place post-Nemesis, 3) feature Patrick Stewart in the role of JLP. The only thing he said when he made his announcement was that Picard was coming back. It could be an animated series set on the Stargazer. It could be a live action show with Picard in Starfleet Academy. It could be a Mirror-Universe series about Mirror-Picard as a new Terran Emperor, reclaiming the Empire's former glory after the sad state we learn of in the DS9 Mirror episodes. It could literally be anything featuring the character of Jean-Luc Picard, with or without Patrick Stewart.
Daniel Giles Sir Patrick would not mislead fans of his most popular character.
I think it’s pretty obviously that Patrick Stewart is going to be involved in the way he has been central in announcing it. Now, I do concede that there is a small chance that his involvement is one of a narrator talking about his youth, but i think this is unlikely to have gotten him as excited as he seems.
I'm not accusing him of misleading. He's not the one speculating. Again, all he's said is that the character is returning. I just think people are being really quick to read in to the announcement.
Even for an animated series he could be voice acting for the role.
during his announcement Sir Patrick Steward says himself the story is roughly 20 years after Nemesis. and he is NOT a captain..
According to the Autobiography of Jean-Luc Picard(David A. Goodman and Patrick Stewart as the title character) Demora Sulu was Captain Picard's commanding officer while he was Captain of the USS Stargazer.
You're right about that how could he miss this
To play devil's advocate, the Enterprise was also commanded by the M-5 unit. It was a short, and nearly suicidal, command -- but memorable nonetheless. :)
I want to see more on Captain Pike
Obviously we are getting to see him in the new “Strange New Worlds” show coming soon but I’m hopeful that with that we may learn not only more on him but also more about Robert April and more on Captain Kirk’s rise to command
Wonderful!!! Well done!!!
I would be so down for a Captain Data series. To bad that a series like that is probably the least likely to happen. :(
I actually enjoy this.
Your awesome Rick!
I'd like to see more in the extended sandbox and give Enterprise a rest. But this was a fun little video. Thanks
It breaks my heart Captain Data wasn't never happened in Alpha Canon
Herriman had a great day off!